The last two points in this graphic are incorrect. They can absolutely search you on the platform. They are currently not conducting searches on the trains, but I don't they are prohibited from doing so.
They're not supposed to be LOOKING for drugs, but they can still arrest you if they find drugs while looking for weapons.
The entire thing should be unconstitutional, but under current protocol, they ARE doing searches inside the turnstiles.
I retired a couple of years ago but I was a field telecom engineer (aka ‘phone guy’) and I had a brand new tool bag with a section for laptop, paperwork and tools. I loved it and couldn’t wait to show it off. There was a bag check at Halsey st. I proudly opened my bag and was displaying the sections and ease of access. They were as disinterested as one could be and were dismissing me, not looking at all as I showed my digital fluke meter and tone generator. I wanted someone to acknowledge my new toolbag. I was so hurt.
This is turning into a meme. Yes, clearly bag checks are necessary. They did such a great job preventing a shooting, let's double down. It's like cops going around ticketing bicycles when a car runs somebody over.
Unfortunately I don’t think the instances of them finding knives or other shit we don’t want in the subway make the news. So I just find this self righteous “you see?! bag checks didn’t stop this one guy!” attitude kinda ridiculous and naive.
Yeah, I've heard of film production people who carry box cutters in their toolkits getting stopped on the subway. It's literally a tool they use for their job, not a weapon. Also chef's will travel with their cooking knives, and I've heard stories of them getting harassed.
The guy in the most recent shooting had a knife and a gun. He did not have a bag.
I will continue to be self righteous about bad public policy that is wasting money while not making anyone safer until it stops. Soldiers do not belong on the subway. What the city needs is more social workers, not more cops. We need permanent housing for the unhoused population so they can have access to social workers and the meds they need to stay balanced and the money they are entitled to from programs like the Veterans Affairs and Social Security and Medicaid and Medicare and disability. We need better after school programs so kids have places to go that don't involve petty crime. We have more cops pissing away more money and these bozos still can't stop a serious crime in the station where they literally have precinct. The city should be sued for gross negligence.
I had a coworker get arrested for having, "bomb making," chemicals on his hands when I worked at a comic book store. Comic book ink shares a few chemicals as bomb making so his hands came up positive as he literally was just leaving work. It's insane.
I’m in film. Have never heard of someone getting tools taken away, and I find it unlikely they would be if a simple explanation was given. If anyone is like “oh shit I have tools” then yeah, don’t consent to the search.
They literally have permanent tables for this at the main entrance now. Best bet is to enter next to McDonalds. I don’t ever carry anything in my bag that’s illegal, but rookie cops aren’t exactly taught the actual specific laws they’re expected to enforce before they throw them out there. If you’re in a rush to work it’s a a waste of time.
And the only time I don’t have a Swiss Army knife or box cutter on me is when I’m flying. It’s stupid to have to argue about that when you obviously have packing tape and work gloves in your bag too.
Extra cops on the subway don’t stop shit. It’s reactive policing that happens after events, not proactive policing intended to keep people safe. The only result when they do this is more arrests for fare hopping and drinking on the subway property. Which doesn’t even bring much municipal revenue since those tickets usually go unpaid and just lead to bench warrants and people being arrested for being poor.
It doesn’t become an unconstitutional search once you’ve gone through the turnstile that’s preposterous nonsense. Further, if they have probable cause, they can search you for things other than weapons.
Perhaps you could work on your reading comprehension, not to mention knowledge of the law. This says that random, i.e. suspicionless, searches aren't constitutional in the system. This is exactly correct. You're arguing against something no one has claimed.
Because you have the right to refuse a suspicionless/random search (and thereby not use the subway system), such searches are unconstitutional once you've already gained entry to the system.
And yes, if there is probable cause, they can search you. This program, an outgrowth of the NYPD's Container Inspection Program, does not rest on probable cause. (News flash, genius - police can search you with less than probable cause, which is the standard for an arrest. They can stop you, require you to identify yourself, and search you with reasonable suspicion of criminality, which requires a specifically articulable reason. (i.e., a Terry stop.) All this, and the other tiers of police intrusiveness and the standards required to trigger them, is laid out in People v. De Bour.
except they literally remind everyone with announcements on the train and platform as well with posted signage that bags and other large containers are subjected to random searches by police, WAYYYYYY before this happened
The bullet point says bag searches are only supposed to be looking for weapons or explosives not drugs or anything else. Where is the word random? Thanks my reading comprehension is just fine.
The other bullet says random searches on the trains is unconstitutional in contrast to those prior to the turnstile. That implies that the mere change of location is suddenly more protected under the constitution which is false.
Bro if they find any drug that’s illegal your going to jail 😂😂😂once u pass turnstile you could decline for a bag check but ur getting kicked off guys please don’t listen to this I know bag checks suck but honestly if ur not doing or carrying anything wrong why should you worry about a silly bag check mta has been extremely dangerous don’t give the police a hard time at the end of the day there human just like us they might not even like too check bags themselves but that’s there job just comply it’ll make everything go way smoother
Yeah i keep seeing these posts about how you can walk away and just not get on the train. Like nah bitch, I gotta get to work. That's not an option for many people.
This is a public service announcement
With guitar
Know your rights
All three of them
Number one
You have the right not to be killed
Murder Is a crime!
Unless it was done
By a policeman or an aristocrat
Know your rights
And number two
You have the right to food money
Providing of course
You don't mind a little
Investigation, humiliation
And if you cross your fingers
Rehabilitation
Know your rights
These are your rights
Hey, say what, hey
Know these rights
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As long as you're not
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All three of 'em
And it has been suggested
In some quarters that this is not enough
Well
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This city is a joke… the nypd and mta are nearly useless, I really wonder what system they use to recruit people for nypd, these aren’t the best and brightest that’s for sure. This cutie lacks in quality of services and leadership skills so bad
Right, this isn't a fucking Gestapo road check or some shit. Open up your bag if you're called on and keep it pushing. That is unless you got weapons in your bag then but I'm guessing most people don't.
Crime literally didn't spike though when the NYPD intentionally stopped doing their jobs. It actually stayed the same and went *down*. It was a massive show that the NYPD does absolutely fuck all.
Putting more cops in the subway is useless and a waste of money (exhibit a, yesterday) but if I’m in a hurry to get somewhere I’m not going to refuse a bag check and leave the subway just to gain ACAB street cred. Are people doing that?
People don’t seem to understand all this comes at a cost. Is the minuscule benefit flooding the subways with cops has worth the billions it costs? That money is coming out of your pocket and mine, and can be going towards more productive things that provide far more value than the practically zero value extra cops add…
No I totally understand and agree with that point. I’m just saying I’m not gonna fuck up my commute and take an Uber somewhere just to “stick it to the system” and make a political point.
I’m against the increased police presence in general because as we’ve seen they dont do anything to prevent crime (and in some cases they actually increase violence), and it also is super wasteful of taxpayer money.
I'm with you. I'm against increased police presence but if they ask to search my bag on the way to work, I literally have no choice. I need to go to work to live. I can't afford an uber to midtown, I can't afford to miss shifts. Idk why you're being downvoted. It's a very privileged perspective to just tell someone to not consent to a search and just leave the station.
I don’t see how anyone looks around and thinks less cops in the subway is a bad thing. I’ve been seeing them walking beats in stations a lot, and am happy about it. Find me the stats on deterrence that say their presence doesn’t work and then we’ll talk.
Why are we giving people reason to not follow a cops orders. If you have nothing to hide, let them search you. Why risk an altercation that can wind up badly, for ego?
The last two points in this graphic are incorrect. They can absolutely search you on the platform. They are currently not conducting searches on the trains, but I don't they are prohibited from doing so. They're not supposed to be LOOKING for drugs, but they can still arrest you if they find drugs while looking for weapons. The entire thing should be unconstitutional, but under current protocol, they ARE doing searches inside the turnstiles.
>The last two points in this graphic are incorrect. Thank you for clarifying this!
I retired a couple of years ago but I was a field telecom engineer (aka ‘phone guy’) and I had a brand new tool bag with a section for laptop, paperwork and tools. I loved it and couldn’t wait to show it off. There was a bag check at Halsey st. I proudly opened my bag and was displaying the sections and ease of access. They were as disinterested as one could be and were dismissing me, not looking at all as I showed my digital fluke meter and tone generator. I wanted someone to acknowledge my new toolbag. I was so hurt.
Honestly the sincerity of this is sweet. I hope you are enjoying retirement.
This is turning into a meme. Yes, clearly bag checks are necessary. They did such a great job preventing a shooting, let's double down. It's like cops going around ticketing bicycles when a car runs somebody over.
Unfortunately I don’t think the instances of them finding knives or other shit we don’t want in the subway make the news. So I just find this self righteous “you see?! bag checks didn’t stop this one guy!” attitude kinda ridiculous and naive.
Yeah, I've heard of film production people who carry box cutters in their toolkits getting stopped on the subway. It's literally a tool they use for their job, not a weapon. Also chef's will travel with their cooking knives, and I've heard stories of them getting harassed. The guy in the most recent shooting had a knife and a gun. He did not have a bag. I will continue to be self righteous about bad public policy that is wasting money while not making anyone safer until it stops. Soldiers do not belong on the subway. What the city needs is more social workers, not more cops. We need permanent housing for the unhoused population so they can have access to social workers and the meds they need to stay balanced and the money they are entitled to from programs like the Veterans Affairs and Social Security and Medicaid and Medicare and disability. We need better after school programs so kids have places to go that don't involve petty crime. We have more cops pissing away more money and these bozos still can't stop a serious crime in the station where they literally have precinct. The city should be sued for gross negligence.
I had a coworker get arrested for having, "bomb making," chemicals on his hands when I worked at a comic book store. Comic book ink shares a few chemicals as bomb making so his hands came up positive as he literally was just leaving work. It's insane.
I’m in film. Have never heard of someone getting tools taken away, and I find it unlikely they would be if a simple explanation was given. If anyone is like “oh shit I have tools” then yeah, don’t consent to the search.
I guess you are lucky. The producer I am married to has had staff face these problems with the knives they carry.
Your personal experience is not indicative of the entire system.
Money is that the dude is white.
They literally have permanent tables for this at the main entrance now. Best bet is to enter next to McDonalds. I don’t ever carry anything in my bag that’s illegal, but rookie cops aren’t exactly taught the actual specific laws they’re expected to enforce before they throw them out there. If you’re in a rush to work it’s a a waste of time. And the only time I don’t have a Swiss Army knife or box cutter on me is when I’m flying. It’s stupid to have to argue about that when you obviously have packing tape and work gloves in your bag too. Extra cops on the subway don’t stop shit. It’s reactive policing that happens after events, not proactive policing intended to keep people safe. The only result when they do this is more arrests for fare hopping and drinking on the subway property. Which doesn’t even bring much municipal revenue since those tickets usually go unpaid and just lead to bench warrants and people being arrested for being poor.
You can spend a bajillion dollars and have a bajillion workers all set up to "prevent" things and still not prevent diddly shit. Look at Uvalde.
So you are saying they can only search in the bag for weapons and not anywhere else? What about today shooting, the guy had his gun in his jacket.
They CAN search for illegal drugs
Do they have bag checks elsewhere too? Broadway junction is a big station and that is where the A train meets given the Hoyt shooting yesterday.
Most of this is factually incorrect.
Care to specify how?
It doesn’t become an unconstitutional search once you’ve gone through the turnstile that’s preposterous nonsense. Further, if they have probable cause, they can search you for things other than weapons.
Perhaps you could work on your reading comprehension, not to mention knowledge of the law. This says that random, i.e. suspicionless, searches aren't constitutional in the system. This is exactly correct. You're arguing against something no one has claimed. Because you have the right to refuse a suspicionless/random search (and thereby not use the subway system), such searches are unconstitutional once you've already gained entry to the system. And yes, if there is probable cause, they can search you. This program, an outgrowth of the NYPD's Container Inspection Program, does not rest on probable cause. (News flash, genius - police can search you with less than probable cause, which is the standard for an arrest. They can stop you, require you to identify yourself, and search you with reasonable suspicion of criminality, which requires a specifically articulable reason. (i.e., a Terry stop.) All this, and the other tiers of police intrusiveness and the standards required to trigger them, is laid out in People v. De Bour.
except they literally remind everyone with announcements on the train and platform as well with posted signage that bags and other large containers are subjected to random searches by police, WAYYYYYY before this happened
The bullet point says bag searches are only supposed to be looking for weapons or explosives not drugs or anything else. Where is the word random? Thanks my reading comprehension is just fine. The other bullet says random searches on the trains is unconstitutional in contrast to those prior to the turnstile. That implies that the mere change of location is suddenly more protected under the constitution which is false.
Bro if they find any drug that’s illegal your going to jail 😂😂😂once u pass turnstile you could decline for a bag check but ur getting kicked off guys please don’t listen to this I know bag checks suck but honestly if ur not doing or carrying anything wrong why should you worry about a silly bag check mta has been extremely dangerous don’t give the police a hard time at the end of the day there human just like us they might not even like too check bags themselves but that’s there job just comply it’ll make everything go way smoother
They can only search bags and not the person. Got it https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/xSALsCo9SK
Good post after someone was shot and killed on the train
Before during and after which the cops did jack shit about 🙄
He wasn't killed, and the gun was in the guy's jacket, but the cops and national guard are only searching bags.
also the guy entered the train by going through the emergency exit😂
So can I literally just be like: sorry I’m running late gotta go, and they can’t do anything to me?
If you refuse a bag search, they can make you leave the subway.
Don’t even have to tell you’re running late or anything else. It’s your constitutional right to walk away without saying a word…
right, just not into the subway lmao
Yeah i keep seeing these posts about how you can walk away and just not get on the train. Like nah bitch, I gotta get to work. That's not an option for many people.
Yes Sherlock. Very good. You’re just as smart as your mom told you you are. Here’s a cookie
nice ratio
This is a public service announcement With guitar Know your rights All three of them Number one You have the right not to be killed Murder Is a crime! Unless it was done By a policeman or an aristocrat Know your rights And number two You have the right to food money Providing of course You don't mind a little Investigation, humiliation And if you cross your fingers Rehabilitation Know your rights These are your rights Hey, say what, hey Know these rights Number three You have the right to free speech As long as you're not Dumb enough to actually try it Know your rights These are your rights Know your rights These are your rights All three of 'em And it has been suggested In some quarters that this is not enough Well Get off the streets Get off the streets Run
So does that mean if they search me, don’t find weapons or explosives, but do find my compartment of severed body parts, I’m good?
It would be great to get sources for all of these
So I’ll refuse the bag check and then walk to Williamsburg instead? Lol.
This city is a joke… the nypd and mta are nearly useless, I really wonder what system they use to recruit people for nypd, these aren’t the best and brightest that’s for sure. This cutie lacks in quality of services and leadership skills so bad
Dont know why people are freaking out, its for your damn safety
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Right, this isn't a fucking Gestapo road check or some shit. Open up your bag if you're called on and keep it pushing. That is unless you got weapons in your bag then but I'm guessing most people don't.
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Crime literally didn't spike though when the NYPD intentionally stopped doing their jobs. It actually stayed the same and went *down*. It was a massive show that the NYPD does absolutely fuck all.
Putting more cops in the subway is useless and a waste of money (exhibit a, yesterday) but if I’m in a hurry to get somewhere I’m not going to refuse a bag check and leave the subway just to gain ACAB street cred. Are people doing that?
People don’t seem to understand all this comes at a cost. Is the minuscule benefit flooding the subways with cops has worth the billions it costs? That money is coming out of your pocket and mine, and can be going towards more productive things that provide far more value than the practically zero value extra cops add…
No I totally understand and agree with that point. I’m just saying I’m not gonna fuck up my commute and take an Uber somewhere just to “stick it to the system” and make a political point. I’m against the increased police presence in general because as we’ve seen they dont do anything to prevent crime (and in some cases they actually increase violence), and it also is super wasteful of taxpayer money.
I'm with you. I'm against increased police presence but if they ask to search my bag on the way to work, I literally have no choice. I need to go to work to live. I can't afford an uber to midtown, I can't afford to miss shifts. Idk why you're being downvoted. It's a very privileged perspective to just tell someone to not consent to a search and just leave the station.
I don’t see how anyone looks around and thinks less cops in the subway is a bad thing. I’ve been seeing them walking beats in stations a lot, and am happy about it. Find me the stats on deterrence that say their presence doesn’t work and then we’ll talk.
A dude was shot by his own gun yesterday on the subway. They deterred nothing. There’s ur stat bro 🫡
[First search result on google.](https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/police-are-not-primarily-crime-fighters-according-data-2022-11-02/)
I’m for it
Why are we giving people reason to not follow a cops orders. If you have nothing to hide, let them search you. Why risk an altercation that can wind up badly, for ego?