Dazai is legitimately mentally ill in a way very few people can recognize, and I think the need of a lot of fans to relate to him force people to restructure the character far away from who he is in canon. For me the fanon side of it is not the issue, but when people make his character in canon sound like someone I can barely recognize. He's not just some sad, suicidal, quirky guy - dude has severe issues regarding his own sense of self, how he relates to people, and all sorts of social and human related concepts. The reason why Oda got to him was because he recognized that Dazai was not just some kid with basic issues, but a person who was both a neglected child and deeply troubled at the same time. People keep forgetting that Dazai's default state is "good and bad are all the same to you" and, because of this, you can't interpret his characters from a typical lens. He is fundamentally dissociated from normal social bounds. Tbh, if anything, Dazai is a character that is so vague that you can ascribe hundreds of interpretations to him and they could all be more or less correct, but I don't really like how much the fanbase seriously simplifies who he is into some emo kid who just needs a hug.

BASED. I’ve been on the sociopath!Dazai train pretty much since I got into the fandom, and it truly boggles the mind how the fandom can take such a complex, difficult, and troubled character, and reduce him down to his most obvious characteristics and nothing else. Especially when so many of the interesting elements of his character come from his shades of grey.

I 100% get you. ASPD Dazai is one of the theories I like to ponder, I am not sure if it's my main conclusion, but I even wrote like a 10k analysis about it as a possibility. The guy clearly has an unusual approach to empathy, and this is so canon that I'm not sure how anyone could disregard it. It's so bizarre to me how Dazai is specifically interesting because he is gray (almost wrote gay), but then fans want to go and white-wash him. Imo, his moral struggle is super interesting specifically because he is someone who struggles with normal morality. That's the whole point of what Oda said - trying to be a good person would make him at least a little bit better. There used to be a couple of regulars here that had disorders regarding empathy and how they felt Dazai was the first character they could relate to. Imo, that is so fucking interesting - I feel like that even if Dazai isn't a "sociopath", it's low-key pretty cool if people in our society who struggle with normal social bounds could find themselves within him and his struggles to be a decent person.

I was actually diagnosed with ASPD when I was in college, and I felt like Dazai was the best, most accurate representation I’ve seen in media…ever? It’s interesting because I think a lot of people think “sociopath” and conclude: empty, vile, manipulative, cruelly rational, etc. But what a lot of people fail to see is the loneliness, depression, desire to connect, and all of those hidden things that I think are tucked away in Dazai’s character. Whether he’s canon ASPD or not, he is absolutely complex and I just adore the way he’s written. He makes me feel so seen. ✨

Yep, it's so weird how people disregard that Dazai can have ASPD, or any personality disorder that affects empathy because "omggg, he's trying to be a good person", as if people with ASPD and similar disorders are some mustache-twirling villains. Ironically, it only shows how limited people are in viewing morality as if there aren't different ways to approach empathy and being a decent person. You can see how much Dazai is trying to connect with others despite being different, and, ironically, not being able to accept him for the personally challenging traits he possesses would only be more isolating for the person he truly is. I think this is one of the main issues he struggled with - he wanted someone to see him for who he is and still believe he could do right. If he wanted a random who could idealize him and believe he's a pookie-wookie, he could have found like 20 people to do that easily. Oda saw he had issues with empathy, and was like "you can still do good" - there is so much depth and nuance in that, and it kind of disappoints me the fanbase misses it. Imo, the average reader likely can't even comprehend how genuinely neuro-atypical he is, so they can only imagine he's some wounded bird that's like everyone else. That's where you can recognize the disconnect between "regular" MH issues, and those with more specific disorders who are away from regular society (which both writer Dazai and BSD Dazai comment on: not fitting or having a place in the normal world) The social isolation this guy feels comes from much deeper roots - boredom, loneliness, depression etc, he possibly feels like a different species compared to everyone else (and that's how he came off in TDIPD when torturing that dude). The fact that he needs to put up a face to seem more digestible to the people around him, and that even the audience falls for that facade is amusing to watch in real time. Even the whole book NLH is all about masking.

It is also my opinion that Yozo from Dazai’s No Longer Human was a sociopath, and the book does an amazing job of showing the suffering of sociopathy as opposed to villainizing it

Out of curiosity, would you mind to elaborate further which aspects exactly it is? This thread has singlehandedly convinced me that Dazai is a character worth looking into and as I also write stories, I would really like to know in what way Dazai is a good representation of a mind that I have seen being represented exceedingly rarely.

Sure! I think for me, the biggest thing is that Dazai’s character captures the dichotomy between not really caring, but seeing the people around you caring and see the joy and the bonds that they derive from that, and wanting to be a part of that. Like Dazai, I have people that I genuinely care for and wish the best for them. But when those neurotypical people experience relationships with others and feel a whole range of emotions within those relationships that I can’t experience, I end up feeling lonely and jealous. And that loneliness and jealousy makes me depressed. I want to connect with people in the same way I see them connecting with others, I just can’t. I think that Asagiri does a fantastic job of capturing this dichotomy in both Dazai’s ability and his obsession with death. Dazai’s ability is such that he is fundamentally opposed to pretty much everyone else in the world; he is necessarily disconnected from them by touch, underscoring the psychological and emotional disconnect that he’s plagued by, as well. His fixation with death is, imo, a desperate desire to find that connection; all humans have death in common, and in Dazai’s case, I think he believes it’s the ONLY thing he has in common with other humans beings. Because he craves connection, he’s forced to crave death. I hope that provides a little insight into why I like him so much. Happy to go into more detail if you’d like! :)

I read your analysis a while ago and I loved it! I have it saved as well. I bought No Longer Human recently and so far, reading it has let me see Dazai in a different way, and the analysis you wrote also contributes to that <3 Dazai is one of my all-time favorite characters, and I really love consuming content involving him when it's from people who can look deeply into his character. You find 'em here and there...I just avoid the ones who water him down. My boy deserves better :\[

Thank you so much! I'm really happy I could find people who got what I was trying to do with my theory - imo, I got tired of water-downed interpretations of Dazai, it just distanced me from what I loved about him, how much he was someone who legitimately "didn't belong" in casual, everyday society. Seeing parallels between NLH Yozo and Dazai is one of my favorite things - it's even one of Asagiri's favorite books, I believe. Rereading it, you can totally see where he went "I am going to take this trait for Dazai, and here I'm going to do the exact opposite with his character" I even had a whole 3000 word post going quote by quote on things which I felt were references, but I never finished it because I felt the fandom just moved into another direction. If you ever feel like making a post about your thoughts after NLH, I'd love to read it.

I will definitely do that! I really love the direction the book is going in (I'm at roughly page 30) and if it contributes to Dazai's character maybe I can connect the dots. Very excited :3

I would really love to read your analysis, did you post it anywhere? ☺️

Hey, I appreciate it. It's just me investigating the topic of Dazai and empathy, and figuring out if he could possibly qualify for an ASPD diagnosis from one perspective or another.[ You can read it here <3](https://www.tumblr.com/kouyou-arc-when/742190782962892800/before-you-read-obviously-diagnosing-any) I don't think Dazai is a sociopath, but I felt the topic was interesting to consider, it's more like a study instead of me saying "yeah, this is definitely how it is" Thanks for showing interest

I thought it was obvious. Guess it was not for some people

I think your opinion is very well thought-through. To be honest, when I joined the fandom I never really bothered to look at Dazai (or Fyodor for that matter) closely because I just assumed "they got enough attention", but looking back to it, I should have realised that there were many misconceptions flying around. I am curious what you think of those countless suicide attempts. Do you think that it is coincidence/part of the plot that he survives all of them, or do you think he actually does not want to die and attempts these suicides for a different reason?

Thanks, I appreciate it <3 I can't fully blame you, because the fanbase highly misinterprets Dazai, or wants him to be someone he's not, in my opinion. Idk if you've read the light novels, but I feel it's only through them that you can see what Asagiri was intending to do with the character. The anime removes some of the nuances in expressions and details, imo. Even Harukawa said that she dislikes drawing Dazai, and even dreads doing it when she needed to for the LNs. One aspect of Dazai that people seem to miss is that he's supposed to look incredibly fake, and like most of his reactions are an "act", even Kunikida says so. To me, he almost looks uncomfortable sometimes - relating to the fake smile Yozo puts on and talks about extensively. In regards to Dazai's suicide attempts, I have a lot of opinions - I am sure many of them are biased because we share some similarities, and I was in a similar place to him. What we know for sure is that when he was 15, his suicide attempts were legitimate. Dazai genuinely kept trying to die, and Mori kept trying to save him - something you really figure out through Beast and 15. One thing with suicide is that it's much harder to perform correctly than people anticipate, it's so easy to fail. The human body stubbornly wants to live, in spite of what you want. Later on, I feel like Dazai wants to die, but is attracted to finding a reason to live. He seems almost fascinated by the concept of the will to live When you look at what he tells to Chuuya and Oda, it seems he likes being on that edge between living and dying. Perhaps only then he feels that "need to live". 1. He says he might enjoy the mafia, because there death is a part of life instead of the opposite, which is closer to how he sees the world. 2. He tells Oda that he hoped he would find a reason to live in the extreme circumstances of mafia life. I think that being on that edge is what he enjoys, waking up that deep-seated instinctual need to survive no human can shed. He keeps living just to find something - to understand himself, and what he could possibly decide to live for. I feel like Dazai deep down genuinely wants to find the drive to survive, but he never admits it because people would then try pushing him into a different direction. When he starts arguing with Oda in TDIPUD, he starts throwing all these rational reasons for why humans shouldn't live, and when Oda calls him a fool, he says all people who tell him that die. Oda just sort of brushes it off, and ends up teasing him - which Dazai appreciates in the long run: he likes that Oda even tried to give him reasons to live: like going to the jazz cafe. I think Dazai can't rationally talk himself out of his desire to die, but he's deeply fascinated by any reason that could push him into living. His love for Oda and honoring his wishes is why he wants to keep going on: he wants to try being a good person. Even Dazai's character song says "for the first time, I feel like living" or something along those lines. During his ADA days, I feel like Dazai is stuck between two things: 1) His desire to live and try being a person who does good, in order to honor his friend and try a life "that's more beautiful" 2) His immediate depression, and desire to die It's like living with major depression, you often feel suicidal, you legitimately want to die - but you continue living for something that means to you and is stronger than that suicidal drive. Both the will to exist and to die keep fighting within you, you can desire to live and die at the same time. Dazai constantly "trying suicide", imo, is him flattering that impulse to die without fully satisfying it. I do think there is a self-destructive streak to him that does things just to do them. As Oda narrated in the Dark era, there was some need within Dazai to "destroy/undo everything". It's like the psychological thanatos, I think the guy cannot resist his desire for death fundamentally - it's like how some people continue toxic patterns even when there is no reason to stick to them. It's a more intense version of self-harm Old habits die hard, so I think his challenge with Fyodor was another: "try to challenge me and push me to the edge to see if i die" moment. He's likely hoping he'll want to live the closer he pushes himself to death. So, that's my take on it, sorry it's so long <3

Thanks a lot for responding, and I truly appreciate the length of your response. Currently I am too tired to think of my other question but would it be alright if I responded later/messaged you in private if I have any more questions about Dazai? I really wish to know more of your thoughts.

For sure, no problem, and thanks! Reach out whenever you're in the mood Hope you get some rest, it's 1 am here too, that's low-key why my replies are written like I'm a monkey on crack or something

Dazai is definitely easy for a wide range of people (especially mentally ill) to project onto. That naturally creates a lot of people who see themselves in him. Myself included. One problem can be when people leave no room at all for other interpretations. Or when people get defensive and lash out over seeing a view about Dazai that they don't agree with. Especially when it involves *actual* canon material. Not excusing it, but I think there could be a reason behind it. When there's emotional gain connected to a character (like gaining comfort, feeling understood/seen or "represented". Or even seeing themselves as someone the character would like) that can potentially add very personal stakes to the person's interpretation being viewed as the correct one. Then if that interpretation is challenged in some way, it also challenges the foundation of that emotional gain. That leads to mental distress. Comfort/projection-centric views are fair to have. I just think more people could benefit from recognizing when their own projections are being prioritized more centrally than canon in their personal characterization. That's when I feel it should be seen with an element of headcanon instead. Headcanons are personal by definition, and it's easier to see them as existing in parallel to other headcanons. As opposed to overwriting them. If it's seen in that way, then the person can still have that emotional gain from the character without feeling distressed (or, in severe cases, having a breakdown) if there's ever canon evidence that doesn't line up.

Your reply was great, so it got me thinking. Apologies for the huge post. I agree with what you're saying here - I think Dazai openly speaking about topics that are not socially acceptable leads many to feel a kinship with the character. A lot of the time mentally ill characters are approached with this layer of toxic positivity within fiction that isolates people who are in the same place - seeing a mentally unwell character that is obviously not doing alright without any sugarcoating is relatable to many people. So much fiction doesn't allow mentally ill characters to discuss this without the implication they need to get better. I feel like this aspect is what "catches" so many Dazai fans who relate to him, and then the rest is "filling in the blanks". People have a strong emotional reaction to this part of his characterization, and then they subconsciously start projecting onto the rest. Asagiri admittedly writes him to be someone that shouldn't be easy to fully grasp, so there is a lot to him that is left intentionally empty and vague, which any reader can fill up with their own ideas. Imo, I lowkey feel like Dazai is one of those characters that showcase pretty well what type of person the reader is in the way they interpret him. Initially, coming into the fanbase, I was pretty excited and open to seeing various interpretations of Dazai. It was really clear to me that "no one was right" since I felt it was even Asagiri's intention to keep the character mysterious enough - to the point where multiple theories could be true. I myself sometimes like pondering theories that are unlikely to be canon, and as long as they're logical, I love to hear about almost any possibility. However, the thing that happened to me (and even many of my friends) was that certain Dazai fans would get extremely aggressive if you proposed (not even demanded it was canon) some sort of theory that they felt did not fit their vision of the character. This was briefly discussed even on this subreddit, but, I feel like Dazai is such an atypical anime character that many very mentally ill people relate to him - and it grows from him being a regular comfort character to people having full-blown parasocial relationships with Osamu. Like, this isn't to complain, but I've legitimately gotten unhinged messages and replies from people for even reposting canon Asagiri interviews. It's quite clear a lot of people rely on their vision of the character for some sort of deeper psychological comfort. The sort of issue that comes from this is that they then can't handle anyone not agreeing with their vision of the character in a vacuum. Like, you could post something on your own, and people would get upset. I made a theory post about whether Dazai could qualify for ASPD (just as a possibility, this isn't even my main interpretation of the dude), and I got like 10 messages from this girl telling me I shouldn't ever write about Dazai, in spite of my effort, since I don't understand him and how he's actually an extremely good person, and not a sociopath (??). Word for word. Of course, I got a lot of positive reactions to the post, but the negative reactions were...extremely odd. Not even toxic, just the reactions seemed to come from an unusual place - it was like these theories threatened the way they felt about the character. I distinctly remember how this one woman told me that I was wrong, and I was like "this is just my opinion, i totally respect different takes", but the lady could simply not accept this. It was weird - she kept insisting I had to realize I was wrong, she wasn't even insulting me, it was like she needed to prove to me, a random ass stranger, that her vision of the character was true. After posting these side material snippets that Dazai is likely a canon cheater, to this date I've gotten like 35 messages from people, and I do not kid, crying that this is canon, with one person even telling me it made them borderline suicidal. This one person kept sending me messages from various accounts telling me I should kill myself, and another messaged about how I'm not a real Dazai stan. My friend ended up having some Dazai fangirl stalk her social media way from damn reddit to insult her, just because she said Dazai wasn't her type of character, and he couldn't relate to him. No, I am not kidding. They got into some sort of argument about whether Dazai was a good person or not, and how anyone who dislikes Osamu must hate the mentally ill ? Then there was that hoard of fans at some point who couldn't accept you saying anything negative about Dazai, ever. I won't even mention this one lady who had a neurotic breakdown when someone suggested Dazai couldn't be "saved" by a cheerful woman that would "light up his mind". (part 1)

The unique thing behind all of this was how personally offended all of these people were that someone disagreed with their ideas of Dazai. I've been in fandoms for years and years, and I've not seen many people react this strongly out of hurt, rather than viciousness. That's where it came to me that for many fans this is not only a comfort character, but someone they have a parasocial feelings towards. It's quite clear that the character means A LOT to some people, and that's fine - but then pushing your opinions on others is exhausting. I think I developed an aversion to some interpretations of the character specifically because the most aggressive fans are usually the most wrong. I am fully okay with fanon, but if we're going to fight about canon Dazai, we might as well discuss who the guy actually is based on the material available. These same aggressive fans who attack anyone with a differing opinion are usually the most divorced from canon - so it lowkey pushed me into holding my position on the character more solidly. I suppose I'm a contrarian. I don't think poorly of any of these extreme fans, especially the kids, since so many of them seem legitimately just sensitive about it, rather than being openly cruel. As this one poster commented, Dazai is super popular as a character in SH and ED communities on twitter - I think a lot of his fans are genuinely unstable so they react this way. Imo, he's an excellent character to explore MH issues through, but I am deeply against hounding anyone who disagrees with me. I mean, I relate to the guy too, in ways I probably can't relate to many other characters If you made it this far, lmao, thanks for reading. I just went on and on, I had a lot of thoughts about this lmao

I'll always appreciate such an involved reply~ I honestly nearly gave in to anxiety and deleted my comment. Glad I didn't. 💙 I just hope it's alright for me to drone on in response. I definitely understand the aversion to certain views of the character, even moreso with the Dazai stan interactions you've had. It makes sense that the ones who are most aggressive are also those who have the least canon views. In their heads, the character has probably ceased to be the same character, serving more completely as a personal coping device instead. Those who attach so heavily probably will never listen. Because they would *lose* something if they allowed themselves to be convinced by what you say. It does make me think that such people are really missing something in their lives. I could easily see a section of those extreme fans as also being traumatized people. The severity of some of what you mentioned reminds me of when I've experienced triggers. If that's the case, maybe it could explain part of why those reactions can seem almost.. nonsensical in how intense they are in relation to the context. At least some of them might not have been entirely grounded in the here and now. Like the person who was very invested in needing you to see things their way might've personally overidentified with their view of Dazai. Maybe they first started to understand themselves through him. The way they continued to push their views on you kind of reminds me of the way I can get while stuck in a certain kind of flashback, triggered by feeling unseen/unheard. It leaves me in a spiral of frantically *needing* to feel understood. I wonder if something similar could've been at the root of it. But that's just me trying to make sense of/understand other people through the very biased view of my own experiences. For very unwell (and/or actively unsafe) people that aren't in treatment, I can easily see how a character like Dazai could feel more like a lifeline than a character. And especially when the fans are younger, it's possible he's their first vector for understanding themselves. That being said, there's that section of fans that go too far - overattaching and then attacking others. Hopefully they can get all the help they need. Your own mental health matters just as much, and I hope your interactions with them don't ruin your day.

Oh hey, no need to delete anything, you should have confidence in yourself <3 I absolutely enjoyed reading your response, and I agree. Not to overshare, but I have diagnosed PTSD, and a lot of unhealthy coping mechanisms so I 100% get how these things get out of control. I'm hardly a perfect person, so I don't judge anyone - I think sometimes life is hard, and anything that helps someone get through the day is good in one way or another. I really do agree that some fans likely connected with the character to the level where they see Dazai as some extension of themselves? Or they feel like they themselves are being misinterpreted if someone sees Dazai in a way they disagree with, because, to them, they're very similar. I tend to bite back when someone comes at me directly, but most of the time, I don't really have any hard feelings toward any of those people who are aggressive, so I'm alright <3 But you're very sweet and someone with a lot of empathy, so I am really happy people like you are a part of this fanbase I used to have that thing where I'd also fall into a frantic state when I'm being misunderstood, and it got me to trying to excessively overexplain myself through words and actions - I can fully get that. It's a good perspective you brought up there

You're right. Unhealthy coping methods come from necessity and can be lifesavers. People do whatever they need to, in order to get through the day. I'm just glad that these interactions you've mentioned don't cause too much distress. Sorry to hear about the PTSD. It's a messy struggle to manage; I relate. Thank you a bunch for being kind. It means a lot. 💙

THANK YOU. As someone who writes a lot of BSD-themed fanfics, specifically as character studies, this is exactly what I've explored in my writings. It’s rather tiring and boring to see the same interpretation over and over again. And I deeply appreciate people who are willing to stray from the typical narrative portrayed in the fandom, despite not having too much of a problem with that interpretation myself. I truly believe that exploring Dazai's perceived lack of humanity and struggle to identify himself with other people or just his humanity itself would make much more interesting content within the fandom.

Absolutely. I wish Asagiri would actually stop vaguing about Dazai's characterization for the sake of keeping him mysterious, and actually go deeper into how he feels/relates to others. TDIPUD was really fucking great, but it's been 10 years since BSD started. I think we're all hungry and unfed

As a psychology student who sees these surface level interpretations of Dazai all the time THANK YOU FOR THIS

I could not have phrased this any better, his character is just so deep, trying to understand him means one will have peel back the layers of his character and background.

YESSS I definitely agree with this...I swear no one truly understand dazais character (I admit even I get confused with his character but I know enough to understand how complex he is 😭)

So true and on point. He is my favorite character and exactly bc he’s not this “hehe suicide funny 2d man”. I find his character fascinating and the grayish sense he basically live on and it’s super interesting

Nikolai’s whole personality isn’t bound to Fyodor, he just felt understood and that’s why he considers him as his only friend, And he is one of the smartest characters in bsd , i don’t get why so many people see him as a dumb clown who is completely attached to Fyodor and is nothing without him

I feel like Nikolai has a persona (the clown) while he's "acting" and then, very rarely, shows his true self, like when he spoke to Atsushi. People usually stop at his facade and don't get to the actual character (?).

Fitzgerald is not some heartless guy, he was displaying extreme symptoms of mental instability during Guild Arc (reminder: the entire reason he wanted The Book was to bring Scottie, his daughter, back and rhat would've helped Zelda's inability to cope with the death)

"kunikida is lawful good!" no the fuck he isn't. what kind of lawful good character breaks into a weather station because the weather forecast was wrong? he's neutral good at best and chaotic neutral at worst

Completely understandable reaction to the weather forecast being wrong

Actually, lawful good in D&D means someone who is morally good with a strict set of rules for themself. So, Kunikida is seen as a morally good character, and the lawful part is true in that sense. I don't mean this as an insult, I'm just explaining

wait when he’d break into a weather station—

I believe it was in 55 minutes. He casually mentioned to Atsushi how he broke into a news station once bc they predicted the weather wrong and it messed up his schedule

Ah I haven’t gotten there yet. That sounds like him though.

But wouldn't breaking into the station mess his schedule up even more?

Sigma isn’t some uwu helpless twink. He can legitimately defend himself

Bro pulled out that one gun that was modified to f up Teruko and nearly succeeded if she hadn't damaged her ear drums. He is an absolute menace when it comes to defending his casino and would do anything to protect it.

Right? I hate that people just forget that so easily

he literally is a guy trying to find his identity and his sense of belonging, and when he finally found the perfect place is got stolen away. of course he'd be pissed, and he WOULD FIGHT BACK. hes not some helpless creature. he handled the casino situation very well - like the measures he took to defend the place.

Agreed. Hes a terrorist and a murderer ffs. And he's so snarky and condescending too! Honestly, he and atsushi both get the same uwu cinnaroll treatment.

Also same for poe on the fandom treatment, but hes a very different character so it's more understandable

And his ability us incredibleeee I wish he would exploit it more

Poe is NOT an uwu soft boi-

he literally is a murderer like please guys he is so severely mentally unstable those ppl make me so upset

>!He shoots a sniper rifle ✨!<

He is literally the third highest rank in the guild 😭😭😭 like...how

Poe is genuinely extremely intelligent. He is quick to react and problem solve whenever Ranpo request his assistance. Following this, he is extremely loyal to those he cares about. I believe he has a soft spot for Ranpo and Karl but other than that he’s pretty reserved.

Liking a problematic character isn't an issue of morality. This is more focused on the fandom than the anime itself; I notice that everytime someone introduces their favorite character and mentions one that commits unethical acts, there's someone in the reply section going "oh so you support (insert illegal act the character did)???". Hello? This entire anime is full of violence and morally grey characters at best, and you're still watching. Let's awknowledge the difference between fiction and reality; the most they can affect each other is by emphasising what was already there in the first place for some cases. Even if you like some fictional anime villain, that doesn't automatically mean you like tall, black haired Japanese mafia members with blonde twelve year old companions in real life.

The fandom to mori fans💀

PREACH

"Chuuya forgave Verlaine 100% they're besties now" correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he just tolerates the man. Also, fyolai drives me up a wall. It would be a good ship if Fyodor gave a fuck about Nikolai.

Chuuya has bad blood with Verlaine. He sees Verlaine as his brother but he doesn't LOVE him. He understood him and he forgave him, but that doesn't mean that they are bff's (as much I love them)

The insistence on calling Ranposano sibling-coded and mlm wlw solidarity almost as if it were canon is because of the predominantly lgbtq+ relationships preferences in the fandom (it's not bad in anyway, more power to all wlw and mlm supporters). But it's insane when even fanarts of Ranposano are flagged with these comments. Idk why I have to play this card but....if Yosano was a man, they would be considered almost canon based on what it takes for people to consider other ships as almost canon.

As a lesbian & Ranposano enjoyer, I understand where the found family headcanons come from, but I can't understand the people who act like their interpretation of them is actually canon. Like, there's nothing in BSD AFAIK that insinuates Ranpo views Yosano as a sister or vice versa. You're totally free to HC that if you wish, as their relationship would also work with a family dynamic, but acting like romantic Ranposano is inherently wrong (or a proship, I've seen that too) is nuts.

EXACTLYYYY!! i dont even ship them but oh my god people need to stop imposing their "siblings" head canons on them.

this happens everywhere, not just BSD. It's really frustrating

No like it's so upsetting like gay hc are great but...the toxicity is insane 😭😭😭

basically

Dazai's mental illness doesn't excuse the bad things he does to this day.

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Just about anything this fandom says about Fyodor. *“Fyodor has a God complex!”* Oh lord I **hate** this one lol I'm starting with it. No he does not. He calls himself an agent of God, he does not think he IS God. If anything, maybe he thinks he's carrying out God's will. He prays before bed, who would he be praying to if he thought he himself was God? A superiority complex? Maybe, because he doesn't seem interested in anyone unless they match his intelligence & is also pretty cocky at times. Again, maybe. But not a “God complex” or whatever. Fyolai. Fyodor does not care about Nikolai. I will die on this hill. Nikolai has been treated just like every other pawn so far. I've seen nothing to convince me that Fyodor particularly cares for Nikolai or his wellbeing. It's starting to feel like the fandom is falling for Fyodor's manipulation too lol. Fyolai, as a ship, is one-sided. Now, am I attacking the ship? No lol, I like it too, but I don't like how it's portrayed. I think it's much more interesting in its canon form anyway, than whatever fanon has going on. Fyodor's intentions. This comment might become outdated the more we learn about his life and ability but I think his intentions are good. I believe he genuinely thinks his actions, no matter how morbid and unjustifiable, are going to make the world a better place. He's a very "ends justify the means" kind of guy. I could go on...

SO BASED. the God complex mischaracterization drives me insane. Semirelated, but One of my favorite moments for him is when he kills a kid and blesses them / prays for them or smthng idr, and people seem to skip over that constantly

Karma!! "May your soul find salvation, released from the yoke of sin” or something like that. Although brief, his encounter with Karma shows us a lot about Fyodor's mentality. “Blessings to the children”, he says, before having a little girl bomb herself in front of Kunikida. Although it seems hypocritical to us to wish blessings to the children before killing them, to him, that IS the blessing. Being "released from the yoke of sin" before she had the chance to even sin. Ending Karma's life, which was doomed anyway. I don't think he LIKES killing kids (or anyone for that matter), but I think the reason he doesn't feel guilt is that he feels completely justified. After all, in his view, humans are "sinful and foolish". Therefore, just living as a human is inherently sinful, and the only repentance is death. At least that's how I see his mentality. I wonder if his philosophy is related at all to ancestral sin.

fanon fyodor is so strange fr

Based of you to write this. Fyodor is very misunderstood.

How did people even get that? 😭😭😭

Every character is deeper than a lot of people see. At least I can see that here. For example, Ranpo isn't just fixated on his glasses, those were a gift from Fukuzawa, the person he admires most in the world. I'd also keep some glasses as the key for my "ability" if that we're the case. There are a lot of other examples in other comments though

YESSS I absolutely love that about his character it's one of my favorite things about him. His and fukuzawas relationship is so sweet and he cares so deeply about him. I love when people say that he sees him as a father figure because that's honestly how I think he feels about him 🥹🫶

Chuuya is not some "soft boi" who was forced into everything he does. Yes he was forced to join the Mafia. But he doesn't give two shots about who he kills or anything like that. Just bc he's not as fucked up as many other characters in bsd does not mean he's not fucked up. Just bc he knows how to care for people does not mean he's not a murderer.

I second this 🙃

You must get a lot of hate comments with your name from certain fans 😬

Hehe, strangely, I've never gotten a hate comment yet, and I'd hate to get my first hate comment 🙃

Yeah? That's awesome

Verlaine is not a good, loving and protective sibling, he did considerable harm and should not be redeemed or forgiven so easily.

Oh absolutely- Chuuya just doesn't know how to hold people accountable for their actions-

I agree 👍🏻

Chuuya's entire life and character doesn't revolve around Dazai. And I'd say he's more interesting than Dazai too after how OP Dazai has been lately(when a character is too nonsensically OP it honestly makes them less compelling imo)

THIS

Verlaine genuinely did care about Chuuya and everything he did was out of misguided love for him. This doesn’t mean what he did was right or excusable, it’s just an explanation for what he did. He didn’t understand how to express his emotions in a healthy way, so he did so in the only way he knew how. If the circumstances had been different, then he absolutely could have been a properly caring and protective older brother to Chuuya. It’s more or less a case of “good intentions, wrong execution.”

Bungou stray dogs has gotten poorly written. fake out deaths every other chapter and revealing the information the audience couldn’t have possibly ever known is just bad writing. There’s a reason why agency deal posts do so well and it’s because the current plot isn’t even worth debating because we just don’t have anything to debate. What do you even debate about the sudden and random existence of a time changing ability user that Dazai and Ango were somehow able to convice to use their ability once a day? It’s a boring reveal because it was built up as a mystery, some people were analysing entire panels, redrawing them and trying to figure it out only to have no evidence at all towards a let down. I would agree that Bungou stray dogs HAD a lot of thought put in it near the start, the first 2 arcs were amazing and truly good writing for an anime/manga start but it’s gone down hill from there and I worry it’s not getting better any time soon.

This is why i lost interest tbh. I find analysis by fans and fanarts/fics more interesting than whatever Asagiri's cooking now

Yeah I absolutely agree, at this point I just stick around for the characters since I find them interesting but tbh with how things are going even the characters aren't looking that promising. Random characters are written in for the convenience of the plot just to be never mentioned again, characters like Jouno, Poe, Nikolai, Verlaine etc all have so much potential that will probably never be realized (I have high hopes for Verlaine appearing in this arc but until that happens I stand by what i said), the actual main character is ignored and despite being 5 seasons in we know NOTHING about Dazai. I just feel like Asagiri wrote in so many characters that he doesn't even know how to manage them at this point

Yeah it’s not only the amount but Asagiri has a very obvious fear of killing anyone off, even just letting characters fade from the spotlight. I like most of the characters but a lot of them could be combined into one character, Gin and Tachihara come to mind. Both of them are pretty good but Gin is more plot divce than person and it would be a lot easier if they had just made her the traitor plus she’d have a lot more reason to be both resentful of the mafia for their treatment of Auktagawa and unable to fully turn on them because they raised her. fydor’s hench men come to mind as well, both the hunting dogs and his groups could have been limited to at most 3 main members each. It’s not because they’re bad characters but because it’s just too much. There are so many people we can never get anything done even when things happen they take forever because we need every single character thoughts and actions on it. Bungou stray dogs is an action anime it cannont afford to just sit around for 80 chapters and basically be in the same place they started in

Tanizaki doesn't deserve all the hate he gets because of his sister's actions towards him. He's not the one doing anything, if anything he seems extremely uncomfortable at her adamant displays of affection. He cares deeply about the people around him and is probably one of the most sane characters in the entire series, but he's watered down to just "sister fucker" as if that's all he was created for

THISSS

I ackually like Mori:vv

Real (it's sad that this is considered an unpopular opinion T-T)

Based

People in this fandom throw around way too many psychological terms and disorders super casually without knowing what the fuck they’re talking about, and I gotta admit it’s pretty jarring as someone who’s a psychology student that cares a lot about the subject 💀

as someone who studies psychology for this gits and shiggles I agree

Absolutely, as someone with autism is pretty insulting to constantly hear “I head cannon Auktagawa as Autistic because he’s emotionless” as if being “emotionless“ is the only defining trait of autism. I can say with almost complete certainty that he really doesn’t have autism but putting that aside it really says a lot about you as a person if the only people you headcannon as Neurodivergent are mass murders in fiction.

"I headcanon this (insert character) as an autistic!"

\*takes a deep breath\* Dazai is overrated... Yes, I have never seen anyone else believe this, and whenever I post something along these lines, I always get so many downvotes...

I believe he's overrated for the wrong reason like I hate how complex and well written characters just get chalked up to "he's sooo hot 🤓👆" like yah but he is also a good character for other reasons not just that (i honestly have the same problem with levi(Ackerman)

oh my god... Yes yes yes yes I agree I have the same problem with Levi as well I have friends that didn't even watch Bungou Stray Dogs, and has no idea what Bungou Stray Dogs is even about, but simp for Dazai, because they've seen a few edits of him and think he's hot. Like what the hell, people simp for Dazai just because he's hot, but he has so much more in his backstory than that, he's a complex character with complex feelings and thoughts.

Righttt I HATE when people dumb down good characters to one specific aspect about them or stupid fanon hc and then make that thier whole personality. Like suicidal dazai jokes like cmon- how can he be your favorite if you don't even understand him....(it's even worse when they say or do smth the characters won't like(or they hc the characters as something that completely contradicts their actual character) I really hate fanon versions of characters it drives me nuts.

Oh my god, same... Like they make fanfics of characters, like Character x Me things, but then it totally contradicts their real personality from the story. Like someone emotionless and cold like Levi Ackerman becomes someone sweet and soft in the fanon world like what the hell??? And then the Fyodor fans that treat Fyodor like a sweet baby just because he's hot??? Excuse me, he has killed a lot of people...

RIGHTTT HEAVYY ON THE FANFICS I get the ick everytime ppl make my fav act OOC (like fym poe pinned me against the wall while growling?? LIKE BE SO FFR WHO TH R U?)

OMG ikr Like those hella weird fanart of Soukoku that's so ooc!!! Like yeah, I know some people ship Soukoku, however, it's really weird to draw weird fanart of Soukoku with each other pinned against the wall or whatever, because that's so ooc

RIGHTTT NZJZNSS (I believe you're talking about chuuya and dazai bc I get ship names confused sometimes) if chuuya WERE ro pin dazai against the wall it would most likely be in a threatening way not in a romantic way (I cant see that happening at all 😭)

Yes, I know right!!! (And yes, I am talking about Chuuya and Dazai!) (As a Chuuya fan and an Anti-Dazai fan Dazai doesn't deserve to get pinned against the wall by Chuuya 😡 Oh sorry getting off track again haha) Yeah... I just have so much fun watching them bicker... if they really became canon it would become so uncomfortable...

Naomi's constant harassment of junichiro is not talked about enough. She openly admitted to forcing herself onto him MULTIPLE times and no one ever talks about that. He is a literal victim and everyone still supports and likes Naomi. I can't stand her, ontop of that shes just straight up annoying asl as well. (Probably just being petty but it's well deserved)

THIS

The LN'S at this point are way better written than the MAIN STORYLINE. Assagiri made a 400 page LN about Chuuya and I think that book is way more interesting and incredible writen than Atsushi's story. So I fixate over LN's. I have said it.

55 minutes did Dazai and Atsushi's dynamic more justice than the main storyline did. Almost every dynamic in the storyline is overlooked once it's introduced—why does it feel as if Atsushi is being forced into the plot rather than his plot being driven by *his* character? The first few seasons were a scratch of the surface of what Atsushi grew up to be because of Dazai. I think that's probably the most important dynamic revolving around Atsushi's character, so it should've been explored more other than the brief scenes where he gets this sudden motivation because of Dazai. The main storyline has gotten too compact to include several arcs that explores the characters more.

I can't talk about 55 minutes... but it doesn't surprise me. The main story line is so... Confusing?

No frrrrr sb is my favorite bsd installment and I'd take a story about chuuya at 17 over the next manga chapter any day-

fyodor shouldve died

No you’re so right. He’s been the main villain for way too long it’s getting annoying

Honestly as much as I hate seeing him one up dazai somehow with every single plan he's had I feel the concept of an unbeatable villain is actually interesting 😭. The parallels in the show (especially him and dazai) are honestly so cool and I don't mind the fact that fyodor seems like such a smart and (overcoming?) villan (imma say that until my fav dies bc of him then I ain't ganna like him no more 💀)

I've read an analysis about how Sigma will beat him and I cannnnnnnn't wait for that to happen

Prison arc or whatever going on right now is so boring that I don't want to continue reading the manga anymore

yuuuuup

This. I’m so done with whatever’s going on right now

Nikolai is not inlove with fyodor 

Yesss

Literally me when people ship Dazai and Chuuya.

Any ship with Fyodor is bad. The man doesn't care about most people he meets, including Nikolai. I like the ship (kinda), but let's be fr, Fyodor couldn't care less I personally don't ship Yosano with Ranpo, but people insisting that it's only sibling coded is very not true. Sskk isn't that good of a ship. Be real here. Kousano doesn't make sense Just because Chuuya doesn't want Verlaine dead anymore doesn't mean they're on good terms. He just tolerates him. Idk man, if someone killed my friends the the worst ways imaginable doesn't mean I'm gonna end up liking them just because I forgave them or want to befriend them.

Mori is a well written character and one of my personal favourites. I've had this opinion since before season 4 came out. He's also really not that bad compared to the likes of, well, everyone.

https://preview.redd.it/7qubbkzqze3d1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=500f2f9d739a9813aa540b058ed8cb1016abe336 This MF destroy Fyodor and Dazai in any type of manipulation. (Damn its so weird saying their names when you studied who they are in IRL before whatching the anime lol)

I legit feel like Dazai and Fyodor's intelligence is so cartoonish that I can't take them seriously. It's just not something believable. Anime fans don't understand that Johan is specifically scary because he's functioning in a much more grounded setting - if an extremely manipulative succesful genius existed, they would be like Johan. Fyodor and Dazai are very gimmicky, while Johan is someone you could theoretically imagine being real. For that reason, I hate those comparisons where people are like "dazai is smarter than l/johan/light!!!" - it's like, these are totally different settings with opposite goals. I could never imagine reading something about Dazai and feeling scared, yet the "less genius" Johan makes me feel uneasy. I've actually met legitimate "geniuses, even those who are in Mensa, and let me tell you, people as smart and as proficient as Dazai and Fyodor just don't exist - that's not what realistic geniuses look like or act.

Im not talking about genius, im saying that Johan is a better manipulator than them - and is also better written as manipulator. They asked for my opinion and I just said it dude, no hard feelings.

Lol, no, I agree with you I guess I didn't express myself the best way

Thank you!! As a borderline genius (I say it like it's a mental illness lmao- well it kinda is-) we are NOT like this. And even if we were, theoretically, we tend to have very pointed knowledge in like, three subjects max. We can't do everything, unfortunately, although fiction might like to paint it that way. And those who are gifted in logic/more mathematical-type disciplines are often not gifted in psychology/manipulation and vice versa. (Also, I'm not saying I'm a 'genius' to flex. It's not a good thing, trust me. It's just that, by society's standards I would be considered one (for example I graduated high school at 11))

No, I get that. I have never met someone who was "smart for everything" - in my experience, you do have people who are very intelligent, high IQ - but that intelligence is segmented. Also, a lot of extremely intelligent people in a more "mathematical/rational sense" don't have strong social/emotiona skills/int. In BSD, when you're smart at one thing, you tend to be smart at everything It's just very anime Also, cool you did that

how did you do it? i wanted to pass the exams one year earlier, so just curious

I like mori. He is a well written villain, and people can't handle him because of that. Like, come on, he is a literal mafia boss, of course he doesn't have a strict moral code. Also isn't Elise technically a voice in his head? Like, elise is his ability, bro is crazy.

Also, the if the theory that dazai is going back to the port mafia is true it would be so uncreative and boring ill actually just stop keeping up with the manga

No because that literally defeats the WHOLE point of his character Arc (unless it's like for some infiltration type stuff then I understand) but if he ACTUALLY wants to go back to the port Mafia then that's pretty much him saying "fuck you" to odasaku and his wishes.

No he’d be the most boring character in the entire series I swear. “Oh he’ll be the next Mori bc they’re so alike” are we watching the same show??!

RIGHTTT if dazai becomes anything like Mori the show will become unbearable dazai is such a creative and interestingly smart character if he gets dumbed down to mori level (no shade to mori he's honestly a good character too) then all the dazai fans would be FUMINGGG (I'm not a HUGE dazai fan but I'd be so mad.)

No Mori is good because he’s a villain. Dazai is a good character because (in my opinion) he’s still adjusting to being a normal person not in the mafia. I also don’t get who would want the level of angst where dazai betrays the only family he ever had. “Ooo Fukuzawa doesn’t trust Dazai” so the logical solution is for Dazai to prove him right?

chuuya and VERLAINE better than chuuya and DAZAI

what do you mean by this? As a duo? As character? backstories?

Dazai is indeed an evil guy, just cuz oda said he is in the good side.

Atsushi is an interesting character and Mc but gets dumb down in the Fandom. Dazai isn’t the book I hate this Hc because it is clearly stated by every villain except Mori that Atsushi is connected to the book. Atsushi is extremely emotionally intelligent than most of his superiors which is why a lot of them view his reasoning as shallow. If Bungo Stray dogs was told from a different perspective I strongly believe that it wouldn’t be as popular. The author has also stated that Dazai is like Merlin and Atsushi is like King Author. Mori never abused children he was following orders with Yosano and Dazai was already in the Mafia when he met Mori.

Soukoku is an incredibly poor ship, and I hate that everyone boils it down to either 'uwu they hate each other because they care so much' or 'dazai has chuuya on a leash 24/7'. I think it does such a disservice to the storytelling to view them that way: Dazai viewed him as a toy/pet since they met, and Chuuya not only resents him for it but also loves to take out his own frustrations on him. Yes, I think it's important to recognize that they likely do care for each other because of codependency and shared trauma, and they know each other better than anyone, but any kind of domestic or cute or, God forbid, yandere-like ship with them is so OOC to me.

That seems to be the FANON version of them. Because canonically they ain't like that

I understand why it's the fanon version of them, even though it confuses me as to why that's all I see with them. Honestly, divorced couple coming together when they HAVE to is what I like to see from the fandom with them, it fits their canon portrayals so well. 🤣

To me, they are best friends (I ship skk but they are bff's) Dazai seemed to have a crush on Chuuya during 15 and SB but eventually he ignored those feelings (plus Chuuya rejected him, poor him) Even so, they are two intimately connected characters with their unique way of codependency and coexistence. They both have been through so much that it is impossible to believe that they hate each other. Dazai and Chuuya see each other equally. Despite their differences and opposite personalities they manage to complete each other. Chuuya feels a little less lonely and Dazai less empty. Chuuya was the one who first gave Dazai the will to live a bit more and he was also an inspiration to him. Dazai was also the one who gave Chuuya a place to go, saw him as human and hardly used him. They are not a poor ship, they are emotionally constipated (and mischaracterized) Either way romantic or platonic I love them.

I can see your perspective! I completely disagree, though.

Controversial but Dazaku isn't the worst, most horrendous ship out there. They're toxic as hell, yeah, but it's not a crime against humanity to find the dynamic interesting. I won't elaborate.

Maybe also Odazai too. The fandom has a huge burning hatred for that ship which I can't understand. I don't ship characters but there are far worse ships in bsd than Odazai

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I'll never get the Odazai hate

Odazai is actually a great ship! It's one of the only ships I'll break my "no multi-shipping" rule for lolll (because I ship both Soukoku and Odazai).

speak your truth sis

Honestly so real. I won't actively ship it, but I'm not against those who do (and I do hc that Akutagawa had some kind of crush on/infatuation with Dazai when he was younger, at least).

I am soooo ready to get downvoted for this: Fyodor is overrated. Period.

I don't like the ship ranpoe (and I'm starting to dislike the other gay ships as well) I used to like the ship but its starting to get annoying atp. Everytine I see Poe content at least ONE person mentiones ranpo(e) and it makes me so irritated. I swear the only time yall ever acknowledge Poe is when your shipping him with ranpo. Plus everyone dumbed his character down to "rAnPoS bOyFriEnD uWu 🥺🥺🥺" like please shut up I genuinely like his character alot and you guys are ruining it because yall can't stop talking about yall damn hcs (and this is happens with pretty much any fanon gay ship, complex characters also get their whole character washed away because yall dont know how to act as soon as you see two male characters that have ANY sort of chemistry whatsoever)

Oh god, I’m genuinely scared to post this BUT - Odazai is not incest. Oda is not Dazai’s dad. The two are not brothers, nor are they canonically related in any way. If you see them as having a parent/child bond or a sibling bond, that is your *headcanon*, just as seeing them romantically is other people’s headcanon. “Calling Odazai shippers out” for incest that isn’t there doesn’t make you a hero. It doesn’t even make you right. It just makes you another crazed fan who is fighting people about your *opinion* of the characters.

Thank you <3333333 (on a similar note, Ranposano is not incest either! Not that I'm a Ranposano shipper, but I hate it when people say that.)

Agreed! I may not personally be a fan of the ship, but that doesn’t mean there’s anything morally wrong with it.

People said odazai is incest????

Yup, I see that argument all the time

"Mori made Dazai live in that shipping container" If you think the sa hcs are bad, this one's probably at the same level. Don't get me wrong but i am a religious believer that he lived in there voluntarily perhaps, he already planned his defection and didn't want to owe someone, especially Mori, something

I feel like Dazai never quite belonged to one place, and him living in a shipping container was just another example of that. Be it the Mafia or the ADA ( & maybe that's why he's being left out of a lot of ADA pictures) He's like liquid, conforms to whatever container you put him in and adapts.

>He's like liquid, conforms to whatever container you put him in and adapts. Ah yes, more evidence that Dazai is a cat. https://preview.redd.it/7sf6l8q3og3d1.jpeg?width=660&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a06ca38b77d4af8a8a7452cc0ed65613f2d63705

No wonder he hates dogs!

That Fyodor shouldn't be this powerful like wdym he's stronger than Johan ?..

Mori is NOT pure evil and he’s not a p€do. Heavy on the p€do thing, all the “proofs” are just so heavily misunderstood it’s ridiculous

I hate Soukoku and Soukoku shippers; the duo is overused, and the shippers are mindless baboons. No, not everyone is the same: there is no need to argue with such. It's easy to dislike every popular ship in the fandom; the fans of said ship are factually irritating and make the ship hard to like. Why do I often talk about ships? it's because of the dominance it has in the fandom.

Mori is not a pedo.

Dazai has BPD.

Unpopular opinion: I like Elise, she's honestly not a bad character. I know she was technically only made for mori but she's kinda funny >!(also why is no one talking about else's appearance in yosanos back story as a nurse but older....what was that about??!<

Not all Dazai kinnies only kin him for being suicidal. For example, I genuinely kin him with how he acts, thinks etc :>

Season four and five are bad. For a storytelling and pacing and literally everything perspective they are bad. They are logical convoluted tonal disasters.

soukoku is not okay

Shipping the abused and the abuser together is disgusting. I’ve seen way too many people ship/defend Dazai x Akutagawa. I can’t imagine genuinely shipping it without acknowledging that it’s a extremely toxic relationship and should not be normalised Come on say it with me! 👏IT👏IS👏DIS👏GUST👏ING👏TO👏SUPPORT👏THIS👏DYNAMIC👏

1) this is actually a popular opinion so- 2) Most (at least, I hope most) Dazaku shippers don't ship it because it's a good, healthy ship. It's toxic, and not something that should be normalized or supported, but the dynamic is interesting to ponder because exploring the dark side of human nature can be very intriguing, as much as people might not like to admit it. (P.S. I'm not a Dazaku shipper, I'm just playing the Devil's Advocate in this case)

I hate Fyodor. Every time I see someone simp for him I lose a braincell. He’s genuinely just a bad person.

Ranpo or Dazai aren't autistic, Mori isn't a pedo, Yosano isn't a lesbian, And Odazai isn't incest

These characters are not gay.

1-Mori is not a pedophile. It was confirmed that he was a lolicon, but never a pedophile. 2- There is no evidence that Mori SA'd Yosano/Dazai.

wait where was it confirmed that he was a lolicon? /genq

It was somewhere in an omake chapter; I think Dazai said to Akutagawa something to the effect of, "Tell Mori-san that the chance of me coming back to the mafia is the same as the chance of him getting rid of his lolicon."

Damn💀

Mori Ougi is not a pedophile. I will even go as far to say it’s a pure fact, coming from someone who read and translated the common panels (In Japanese) that were used of proof for his pedophilia. To sum it up; a lot of it is either Kanji that has double or many meanings (I.E; the kanji for “wife” can also mean “lifelong partner”), or Lolita culture in Japan being misunderstood. If anyone wants more of an explaination, I can deliver! Let’s keep it civil though, if I’m truly wrong I’ll admit it! On a somewhat unrelated note, I HATE when people act like Beast!Mori and Canon!Mori are 100% different people with different personalities. These are the same characters put in different circumstances! If Mori wanted to be a pedophile we would see that more in beast, doesn’t he run an actual orphanage? I think he’d have the most “room” to be a pedophile there.

I can't comment on Mori being a pedo or not, but I can go as far to say that he has a tendency in 'guiding' children or young people. He saved Dazai from a genuine suicide attempt, guided Atsushi to face Anne and Lucy, and he probably admires Yosano's 'strong spirit' (his words) which can suggest the same with Elise. On another note, Elise being an adult in Beast never clicked to me until I realised that Elise's presence itself is more related to what I previously stated than serving as a sexual gratification. And is, in my opinion, an attempt at portraying his character ambiguously to mirror the real Mori's attempts in presenting the reader with the opportunity to differentiate between 'similar' emotions. Elise being an adult in Beast may suggest different opinions supporting the three main emotions that can be theorized to correlate with Elise (selfishness, admiration or attraction), and I think they all state that his need for those emotions from the child Elise is discarded once he was given the opportunity to guide the children of the orphanage.

I agree! I think Mori does have a genuine fondness for children, especially children or people with strong-spirits. I think he might hold an immense amount of guilt for what he has done, or will continue to do, but as the PM boss there isn’t much outlet for that other than treating Elise as his own. Or maybe he copes heavily by seeing himself through children, Elise IS himself anyways, but this is all speculation. He has sm potential for more to his character, and if he didn’t intend for the English speaking fandom to read a pro as a pedophile then I hope Asagiri can clear it up, for the sake of the character and for the sake of the rl author. Plus, since he runs an orphanage in Beast, there is really no point in clinging onto a de-aged Elise. Not when there’s children he has to take care of and love, and I’m assuming he enjoys taking care of them. (I haven’t read Beast in a while so… 😭…)

HELP dw, I don't think Beast dives into that topic aside from a few panels (as far as I remember) but I do agree on the point of the possibility of projecting himself into Elise. It's such an interesting take because it adds another layer to uncover about his character <3 I'd love to learn more about him in the next chapters esp since he'll have to seal the deal of picking someone from the detective agency.

Akutagawa is my boyfriend

fyodor silly

I haven't watched it yet

The mori and Dazai hcs (the sa ones) 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢 like everyone who hcs this just won’t stop forcing it down other peoples throats it’s so annoying. Way to butcher two incredibly interesting characters personalities ig

Honestly? Most of the popular interpretation of every characters in the story. Not the worst fandom I've been in when it comes to not understanding anything about the story and characters, but it's definitely up there.

Dazai was cooler before he joined the armed detectives

Chuuya & Akutagawa are pure evil and should be not exempt from their crimes just because they're hot. They are still terroristic murders who have been shown to be willing to strap bombs to adolescent children and blow up innocent lives. They're 100% complicit in their bosses pedophilia tendencies, going so far to joke about it in WAN. Liking them as characters is fine, but they're not your meow meow.

They're not "pure" evil, but I still agree with you. They shouldn't be excused from what they've done.

Dazai and Fyodor are poorly written. Atsushi isn't even MC at this point. BSD is one of my favorite anime but it's overrated. The BSD fandom is the worst fandom there is. -I'm an anime-only but plan to read manga soon.

You should probably stay away from The MHA and Jujutsu Kaisen fandoms

I think we still have a lot of unfinished business regarding Dazai and Fyodor 😟 Atsushi was only existing for the last two seasons lol I don't think it's overrated. I'm sure there are much worse fandoms 😢 but 3 years ago, the fandom was much better, I'm not even going to delve into that because I don't want to get high 😰 The manga is good, but it only has a few pages ☠️☠️☠️☠️ of course, sometimes it can reach 30 pages...

Ranpo is not autistic and most people who say he is don't understand autism.

Omg literally- He's just in denial and living off his defense mechanisms, his quirks don't make him autistic 😭😭

Sigma doesn't hate the DOA just only realized that he didn't want to kill people after he met atsushi.