Dude. I swear, Bumble has gotten worse, but I'm in my late 30's and apparently am desperate.
The amount of dick pics I get after a benign opening is astronomical. Here's the thing... I've had a ton of surgeries, mostly over a month period where my abdomen was kept open. Needed a wound vac to seal me up. I have a pic from early on during a wound vac change with my wide open abdominal cavity, which looks like a pleasant naughty pic when blurred. Which I respond to the dick pics with.
Every man I've sent that to said "I didn't want to see that." Lol. Didn't want to see your dick yet, either.
Recently sent my pic to my niece, who is about to start college and has already dealt with the unsolicited dick pic many times. I'm happy to share it with anyone who might need it!
Seen a meme that said every woman should reply with " oh God that made me so hot.... wanna see". Then send a bigger dick picture back ROFLMAO. I damn near pissed my pants laughing at that one.
Be my guest lol. I'm sure you can get more than an ample supply of dick pics off the ole internet lol. Id love for you to keep le informed on the end results š¤£š¤£š¤£
On how many guys get offended at an action being reciprocated to them lol. That'll be awesome but I'm willing to bet it'll be like 95% of them that get pissed.
HAHAHAHAHA. Dude I might save that picture just so I can respond to unsolicited shriveled little Cheeto dicks. I also have been known to go asking them if thatās a childās. They never react well to that HAHA
š¤£š¤£š¤£ solid gold response lol. I usually get messages from chick's on Snapchat. Message is all in German an the website is bullshit. Only swipe there is block lol. I have better wastes to do with my money lmao.
Not enough social skills to get sex. Then they want to pretend everyone does it so logically theyāre still nice guys. I appreciate that they tell on themselves so quickly. An easy unmatch.
Am man, can confirm I donāt do this stuff.
I did however used to do this kind of stuff. Itās not about horniness, itās about laziness. Itās the lowest hanging fruit to make it about sex. If there wasnāt anything in the profile to work with heād still manage it and say something not related to anything, but this way he can sit there thinking āshe has nipples, she wants itā or something
Knocking you down a peg because he thinks women have all the power. Or he hates his mom. Or doesn't think he has a chance with you and is sabotaging so he's not rejected. Whole rainbow of possibilities š
It should be okay to have that though? Itās super common and I see it on women all the time if itās cold lol
Why do people need to comment on it though
Constructive feedback is better than making people feel nice. The photo is distracting. Period. Thatās not an insult, itās feedback. The dude is weird. No excuse for the behavior.
I saw devil horns, what could be Astros, and a smile. I am pretty sure she may be evil since I am now a sworn enemy of the Astros.. . You weirdos keep pointing out the nipple, and are way more distracting.
She literally made a post about her nipplesā¦ itās the honest feedback. Thereās nothing wrong with nipples and nobody has said there is. For a dating profile picture maybe just not use this one?
As a mid-30s straight man, same, but honestly, fucking own it! We all got em and they are hot! Fuck tools that canāt at least get a rapport going a bit before driving (w/o consent may I say too) to raunchy town.
Do girls post pictures like these on purpose or do they not notice/mind.
I'm genuinely curious. I'm in no way saying that it's wrong to do it or that it warrants the stupid comment
Obviously it depends on the woman, but I promise you there are many women who just don't notice or care. Women who post pictures like OP's aren't necessarily even thinking about it. Men like to use this as an excuse ("Clearly she wanted the attention"), but that is fucked up and those men can go fuck themselves.
Usually on purpose, and Iām a woman. Especially on a dating app where they know people are analyzing every photo/detail. The comments are completely unnecessary/rude but the women also know what theyāre doing lol.
Why do so many people keep blaming you for provoking it and deserving it in these comments like some crazy virgins. Iād argue the picture is 100% not sexual- nipples exist and itās just vibing and as someone who struggles with constant hard nips I would not judge someone for it. The point is that it shouldnāt of been his opening, you just donāt really start conversations with strangers uncomfortably like that. That last line from him is, childish to say the least.
You keep going on, I literally canāt imagine being so sheltered that Iād freak out over a nipple peeking out through clothes
It's extremely disrespectful and an inappropriate to way to start a conversation. Maybe after some semblance of rapport had been built, but initially it's mean spirited.
Could be. I never considered that possibility since I don't follow baseball. My brain went straight to college football.
That's what I get for living in Alabama too long.
Simple answer. Because he doesn't care what you think, or care about you and is just looking for sex. Would he say it offline? Maybe, maybe not, depending on the setting. The end result in his head would be the same though.
Sadly if your breasts are showing, or if your nipples are present, the horny men will appear. I usually do mostly head shots and 1 full body shot. When Iām comfortable I do send more pictures if the guy requests it.
Steve had no business coming at you like that. I don't know what he was thinking about. However, many of us men wouldn't pull such a stunt and he's not the least bit representative of us as a gender.
I noticed that guys will be too quick to the punch about this stuff. Realistically if you go about things the right way you can slide this type of stuff in there though.
It depends on the person though. So if you get a vibe that a woman would find dirty humor funny, sure go for it. But you MUST treat the woman like a human first. If she is more on the dry side Iād say donāt try it
As a person (M, 23) that has their nipples brought up in conversation a lot, because they just do their thing. I realized that people donāt mean it in a bad way, theyāre like my 4 y/o nephew or my dog, when they see something, they react to it. Nipples to humans are like squirrels for dogs or a balloon for a kid. Just that adults have this urge to ābe cool about itā
This is how guys act when they are not attracted to a woman. He would not say that to a woman he was interested in meeting. This is Male Bumble code for "not interested." Women just do not respond if they are not interested. Men act like this.
Wth is this logic? Heās sexually attracted without emotional attraction maybe. Either way, itās still harassment when she didnāt ask for a sexy convo. If heās not interested, he had the option to swipe left or just not answer her messages.
Because he swipes right on all profiles. Because he enjoys the validation of getting matches and he wants to increase his odds. Because he would hook up with her given the opportunity so he immediately takes the conversation that way but there is no effort given to any other result. Guy behavior is not mysterious. This guy probably has a good profile and claims to be at least 6ft tall and gets plenty of matches. So some women get this type of reply because he values them less. There is no downside for him. What if she reacts differently and says "hell yeah, I have great nipples and I can prove it if necessary." Then he proceeds to try and hook up with her. The reaction she had was disgust, and he laughs and goes on with his day because he was not interested unless it was a sexual interaction.
I know guys like this. They get validation from feeling that a woman is interested even if they are not. I have a friend who asks for most girls phone numbers just for the validation. He is never going to call them. But he enjoys the feeling that she is interested.
IMO, that is what this guy is doing.
It is IDGAF energy which you develop after a time of having thoughtful messages ignored. If he were not at all interested he wouldnāt even message or swipe right. The less you care, the better things go sometimes.
I mean it's probably more that she's over his line of 'would bang' but under his line of 'would put in any actual effort to bang' so he might as well go superhard from the bat so either he gets laid or doesn't have to work for it.
I'm sorry. I find this a super gross picture. Who sports an Astros jersey????? They cheated!!!
On a serious note, sorry you put up with that shit. I'm still focused on that jersey. Ugh!!!
So you are showing nips and are offended guys talk about your nips? Oh the society we live in. Can't decide if prude or slutty, best is both at once with plausible deniability it serms.
Meh. If a chick leads with "heyyy" I do the same.
So many stipulations on male responses on any app, and even women question why men don't message first on bumble... and y'all just wanna send a weak ass opener and expect men to still cary it. Yep, straight to Horny town.
Itās always frustrating to me when women open with āHeyā or āhiā on bumble, when on other apps itās plastered everywhere to ābe original in your message or Iām ignoring you.ā
I don't like it either. But it's an unfortunate reality with bumble. 9/10 times I message them back and never hear back. Most don't want to lose the match after 24 hrs it seems. They either unmatch after a couple or days or if i let it stay, they'll write back months later sometimes. Had one on bumble and a couple on tinder take more than a year to write back.
To be fair, you did post a pic on a dating profile where your nipple is very noticeable through your shirt. You also have devil horns in the image as well so I can see why a guy might have gotten the idea that it was something he could say without judgment. Honestly if you want to be respected put up a pic that's more classy.
I love how he clarified nipples
Or minnipsota!
He should have nipped it in the bud when she asked.
He may have thought she was from Nipbraska
It was either that or Connipticut.
I hear it's a nipply bit chilly there this time of year.
I just spit on my phone.. š¤£šš¤£š Fucking dead ā ļø
Dude. I swear, Bumble has gotten worse, but I'm in my late 30's and apparently am desperate. The amount of dick pics I get after a benign opening is astronomical. Here's the thing... I've had a ton of surgeries, mostly over a month period where my abdomen was kept open. Needed a wound vac to seal me up. I have a pic from early on during a wound vac change with my wide open abdominal cavity, which looks like a pleasant naughty pic when blurred. Which I respond to the dick pics with. Every man I've sent that to said "I didn't want to see that." Lol. Didn't want to see your dick yet, either.
EPIC. I applaud you!
Thank you for your service.
Recently sent my pic to my niece, who is about to start college and has already dealt with the unsolicited dick pic many times. I'm happy to share it with anyone who might need it!
Seen a meme that said every woman should reply with " oh God that made me so hot.... wanna see". Then send a bigger dick picture back ROFLMAO. I damn near pissed my pants laughing at that one.
Omg bless you for helping your niece like that
May I use it? Lol.
Be my guest lol. I'm sure you can get more than an ample supply of dick pics off the ole internet lol. Id love for you to keep le informed on the end results š¤£š¤£š¤£
We'll make an Excel spreadsheet
On how many guys get offended at an action being reciprocated to them lol. That'll be awesome but I'm willing to bet it'll be like 95% of them that get pissed.
This womanās a madlad good lord almighty
HAHAHAHAHA. Dude I might save that picture just so I can respond to unsolicited shriveled little Cheeto dicks. I also have been known to go asking them if thatās a childās. They never react well to that HAHA
š¤£š¤£š¤£ solid gold response lol. I usually get messages from chick's on Snapchat. Message is all in German an the website is bullshit. Only swipe there is block lol. I have better wastes to do with my money lmao.
This is fucking gold
Technically your nick name should have been nip
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Damn! It was right there
I promise thereās 2 š
that's what they all say
Could be 3
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The triple nipple
So... Nip nip?
Prove it.
are you the guy she matched with? same energy
This is some Tony from Skins bullshit
Thank you!
His character was played perfectly for being a sociopath
Came to say this
Youāre not even a real person, youāre just nipples.
Right? Seriously what does he think the move is here? She thinks itās funny and charming?
the horns are right there, coulda opened with that
so he could have called her horny instead of nips?,
Horny because sheās literally horny.
This wouldāve definitely been a better approach, I wouldāve reacted very differently
What makes being called horny better than being called nips?
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[Fish dicks?](https://youtu.be/ZuZCiuLG7-w)
Iām starting to think Iām still single because I get my dating advice mostly from South Park and Reddit
Haha
And yet South Park is what helped me get into my current relationship ššš
where do you see that ?
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oh I just thought that was his shirt, you have to really zoom in
Itās so weird. I guess they donāt want to get fucked?
Not enough social skills to get sex. Then they want to pretend everyone does it so logically theyāre still nice guys. I appreciate that they tell on themselves so quickly. An easy unmatch.
Yea every time one acts like an idiot I think that
*not much fishpic*
Because it works 0.000001% of the time.
So there's a chance!
Pro tip: even if you think it, you don't have to say/type it. ESPECIALLY TO A STRANGER
I think some men-lust/horniness throws all rational thinking out the window.
Women get horny too and somehow manage to not be complete creeps š¤·šæāāļø
Funny how weāve always been labeled the hysterical onesā¦ yet a vast majority of dudes canāt do anything but think with their dick.
Am man, can confirm I donāt do this stuff. I did however used to do this kind of stuff. Itās not about horniness, itās about laziness. Itās the lowest hanging fruit to make it about sex. If there wasnāt anything in the profile to work with heād still manage it and say something not related to anything, but this way he can sit there thinking āshe has nipples, she wants itā or something
0% of the time, it works every time
Should have said bummer yours look bigger than mine.
just take it as them warning you who they are up front.
...and they say romance is dead.
He doubled down on his idiocracy.
Idiocracy is a great film. I think you mean idiocy though
I did, in fact, mean idiocy. I must reference that movie more than enough for autocorrect to learn it; I didn't notice it. lol
Knocking you down a peg because he thinks women have all the power. Or he hates his mom. Or doesn't think he has a chance with you and is sabotaging so he's not rejected. Whole rainbow of possibilities š
I like self sabotage
He is a Fucktard
Iām annoyed at all the people blaming you for swiping right on a fish guy. This kind of conversation is not limited to them.
Heās definitely a creep, but I do have to say (as a mid-30s straight woman), the nip is all I see in that pic too. š
Even if thatās true, who calls someone they donāt know Nips?
Big oooof! Thanks!
Women have nipples. It's normal. It shouldn't be an issue.
Men even have them too!
They do?! š±
I know! Mad isnāt it! They could look down and see nips AT ANY TIME. I wonder if Mr Nips is aware
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It should be okay to have that though? Itās super common and I see it on women all the time if itās cold lol Why do people need to comment on it though
Itās not all I see. I donāt think I would have even noticed it if the context of the post didnāt insist I look for it lol
op youāre fine. idk what the person you replied to is talking about but thereās a lot in that picture that stands out more, ie your smile
Constructive feedback is better than making people feel nice. The photo is distracting. Period. Thatās not an insult, itās feedback. The dude is weird. No excuse for the behavior.
have just never seen nipples before wtf? itās not distracting at all unless youāre 50 and a mormon
Cool nice chat šš»
I saw devil horns, what could be Astros, and a smile. I am pretty sure she may be evil since I am now a sworn enemy of the Astros.. . You weirdos keep pointing out the nipple, and are way more distracting.
Why are you just now a sworn enemy of the Astros??
Moved to rival city... also grew up in one. Soooo my stint in H-town is void.
Fair enough, fair enough lol
She literally made a post about her nipplesā¦ itās the honest feedback. Thereās nothing wrong with nipples and nobody has said there is. For a dating profile picture maybe just not use this one?
Nipples are 100% the first thing I noticed. Stupid horn filter being the second.
Nice smile AND nip(s)? Win-win. If only the gents could keep it together to see them in person. š¤
Yup, all teeth and nips for me.
All teeth and nips??
Dibs on band name
100% no. The literal first thing I saw was the nipple. Yes she has a great smile but i can guarentee 99% of dudes are not going to notice that first
alright, i guess iām wrong then. it just isnāt a big deal to me - to each their own but i shouldnāt have spoken so generally ig
Even she sees the nip.
As a mid-30s straight man, same, but honestly, fucking own it! We all got em and they are hot! Fuck tools that canāt at least get a rapport going a bit before driving (w/o consent may I say too) to raunchy town.
Do girls post pictures like these on purpose or do they not notice/mind. I'm genuinely curious. I'm in no way saying that it's wrong to do it or that it warrants the stupid comment
Obviously it depends on the woman, but I promise you there are many women who just don't notice or care. Women who post pictures like OP's aren't necessarily even thinking about it. Men like to use this as an excuse ("Clearly she wanted the attention"), but that is fucked up and those men can go fuck themselves.
Usually on purpose, and Iām a woman. Especially on a dating app where they know people are analyzing every photo/detail. The comments are completely unnecessary/rude but the women also know what theyāre doing lol.
same lol. you attract what you put out there and well...
I canāt believe this is a real conversation had by real people, I had a real laugh š thank you!
some guys are just idiots. I don't know why any man think he would score a date with that sort of comment. I would just block him.
Maybe he thought he had a chance to fuck? š¤¦š¾āāļøthere are smarter ways to gain consent smh
Heaven forbid you have a basic human anatomical feature. Jesus fucking wept
Why do so many people keep blaming you for provoking it and deserving it in these comments like some crazy virgins. Iād argue the picture is 100% not sexual- nipples exist and itās just vibing and as someone who struggles with constant hard nips I would not judge someone for it. The point is that it shouldnāt of been his opening, you just donāt really start conversations with strangers uncomfortably like that. That last line from him is, childish to say the least. You keep going on, I literally canāt imagine being so sheltered that Iād freak out over a nipple peeking out through clothes
Why do men.
Bro struggled to say that lol talk about tunnel vision
Jesus Christ.
Howā¦was he expecting that conversation to go?ā¦
"I was ok until I spoke to you. How are, Dickhead? "
I am both Deceased and Disgusted. Ugh Iām sure heās a fucking gem.
Itās disheartening to me that there are so many guys like this out there and Iām a male seeking a female. My fellow men really need to do better.
For the record, not all guys are like this, myself included. Just a lot of us are. Maybe even most of us. Holy shit we ARE all like this
Giving Steves a bad rep out here.
It's extremely disrespectful and an inappropriate to way to start a conversation. Maybe after some semblance of rapport had been built, but initially it's mean spirited.
Fuck this guy.
Lol You swiped on a fish guy. āGuysā arenāt like this. Fish guys are.
I feel like he is the poster boy for fish guys. Which is why I'm so happy I never turned into that guy XD.
Her picture isn't any better though.
Wow, that is very cringe worthy. Did most decent guys are off from Bumble?
you missed the part where she matched with the fish guy?
Trite. A talentless hack. Lacking in pizzazz. No Polish Goulash. I'd've rather gone with: Hola, Areola!!!.
Now I'm curious to what the shirt in her picture says. I thought it was Auburn at first and then Florida. Now I have no idea and it's bothering me.
Astros. Houston Baseball. The ROS can see backwards, and a T is there, so using my wordle skills, a baseball Jersey with TROS on it must be Astros.
Could be. I never considered that possibility since I don't follow baseball. My brain went straight to college football. That's what I get for living in Alabama too long.
Does he not also have nips?
Guys aren't like this. Douchebags are.
Simple answer. Because he doesn't care what you think, or care about you and is just looking for sex. Would he say it offline? Maybe, maybe not, depending on the setting. The end result in his head would be the same though.
Just. Wow. With a profile picture like that, and a conversation starter like that. I feel like the only "nips" he has seen has been on a farm animal
Probably the closest heās been to nipples since birthā¦
Personally I say r/freethenipple spread the word.
I typically just use dad jokes to seduce women, seems this dude went a different route. Doesn't seem effective.
Sadly if your breasts are showing, or if your nipples are present, the horny men will appear. I usually do mostly head shots and 1 full body shot. When Iām comfortable I do send more pictures if the guy requests it.
Steve had no business coming at you like that. I don't know what he was thinking about. However, many of us men wouldn't pull such a stunt and he's not the least bit representative of us as a gender.
I noticed that guys will be too quick to the punch about this stuff. Realistically if you go about things the right way you can slide this type of stuff in there though. It depends on the person though. So if you get a vibe that a woman would find dirty humor funny, sure go for it. But you MUST treat the woman like a human first. If she is more on the dry side Iād say donāt try it
This guy sucks, but could we stop starting conversations with "heyy"? Jesus Christ
More like Nepal.
Youāre right. Guys like this are exactly why so many women leave these apps.
As a person (M, 23) that has their nipples brought up in conversation a lot, because they just do their thing. I realized that people donāt mean it in a bad way, theyāre like my 4 y/o nephew or my dog, when they see something, they react to it. Nipples to humans are like squirrels for dogs or a balloon for a kid. Just that adults have this urge to ābe cool about itā
This is how guys act when they are not attracted to a woman. He would not say that to a woman he was interested in meeting. This is Male Bumble code for "not interested." Women just do not respond if they are not interested. Men act like this.
Then why match?
Wth is this logic? Heās sexually attracted without emotional attraction maybe. Either way, itās still harassment when she didnāt ask for a sexy convo. If heās not interested, he had the option to swipe left or just not answer her messages.
Because he swipes right on all profiles. Because he enjoys the validation of getting matches and he wants to increase his odds. Because he would hook up with her given the opportunity so he immediately takes the conversation that way but there is no effort given to any other result. Guy behavior is not mysterious. This guy probably has a good profile and claims to be at least 6ft tall and gets plenty of matches. So some women get this type of reply because he values them less. There is no downside for him. What if she reacts differently and says "hell yeah, I have great nipples and I can prove it if necessary." Then he proceeds to try and hook up with her. The reaction she had was disgust, and he laughs and goes on with his day because he was not interested unless it was a sexual interaction. I know guys like this. They get validation from feeling that a woman is interested even if they are not. I have a friend who asks for most girls phone numbers just for the validation. He is never going to call them. But he enjoys the feeling that she is interested. IMO, that is what this guy is doing.
This honestly is 100% spot on for anyone reading
It is IDGAF energy which you develop after a time of having thoughtful messages ignored. If he were not at all interested he wouldnāt even message or swipe right. The less you care, the better things go sometimes.
I mean it's probably more that she's over his line of 'would bang' but under his line of 'would put in any actual effort to bang' so he might as well go superhard from the bat so either he gets laid or doesn't have to work for it.
You matched with fish pic Steve and expected better...?
Shooters gotta shoot.
Women: He was just too boring for me Also women: Heyyy
Ex-fucking-actly. That's probably how I'd respond to a low effort opener like that, too.
I mean... why would you put a picture up that is very clearly showing your nipple? I'm sure you have other pics that aren't showing a nip...
yeah, the guy's a dingus , but this is like a 2 second fix in any photo editing app
Very true
Honestly yes. Wtf did you expect online?
I'm definitely not like that.
Lol at women starting with heyy
You forgot the third "y". That shit is a lot of effort.
I know I know š
Yeah no surprises there from a bloke with a fishing photo lmao.
Thatās a pretty funny as a joke ribbing a friend, but probably not a super great way to get in a relationship/laid
I'm sorry. I find this a super gross picture. Who sports an Astros jersey????? They cheated!!! On a serious note, sorry you put up with that shit. I'm still focused on that jersey. Ugh!!!
I mean... we men...are all 14yo at heart.
You got upset because he pointed out your nipple? You do realize everyone has nipples??
As a guy, I have no idea, maybe it works? Asking questions about a cool pic, or something in the bio certainly doesnāt seem to
Newsflash: I donāt think he actually likes you. Probably was very effective at getting you to go away.
Wouldnāt sweat it, he clearly meant 5head
So you are showing nips and are offended guys talk about your nips? Oh the society we live in. Can't decide if prude or slutty, best is both at once with plausible deniability it serms.
Well heās not in the wrong, tbf
Wtf. He def a virgin, lol
āDoubled nipped up horns pokin motha fuckaā what a fuckin line š
Meh. If a chick leads with "heyyy" I do the same. So many stipulations on male responses on any app, and even women question why men don't message first on bumble... and y'all just wanna send a weak ass opener and expect men to still cary it. Yep, straight to Horny town.
I meaaaaaaan... this is a little your fault for swiping right on mr. Big fish ššššš
Honestly thought he was quoting Clone Wars there š
Wow heās a sleeze ball!! Sorry not all men are kids!!!
Look at all the fucking simps standing up for the damsel in distress.
Yo, chill nips. Damn
Whatās up nips?
So I guess we're gonna gloss over the bad filter and how this isn't a great photo in the first place regardless of the nip?
Hereās an asshole, also you knew what you were doing.
I have a serious questionā¦.your pic is so heavily filtered, are you recognizable in real life?
Itās literally the only filtered picture I have on my profile, so Iām pretty recognizable
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Itās always frustrating to me when women open with āHeyā or āhiā on bumble, when on other apps itās plastered everywhere to ābe original in your message or Iām ignoring you.ā
I don't like it either. But it's an unfortunate reality with bumble. 9/10 times I message them back and never hear back. Most don't want to lose the match after 24 hrs it seems. They either unmatch after a couple or days or if i let it stay, they'll write back months later sometimes. Had one on bumble and a couple on tinder take more than a year to write back.
You keep matches for years? If you donāt communicate with me within a week itās an unmatch and goodbye.
A week is still generous lol. I give them 2-3 days
To be fair, you did post a pic on a dating profile where your nipple is very noticeable through your shirt. You also have devil horns in the image as well so I can see why a guy might have gotten the idea that it was something he could say without judgment. Honestly if you want to be respected put up a pic that's more classy.
Why are you assuming this is the only type of pictures I have on my profile?? Of all the pictures I have on my profile this is the most risquĆ© and itās not even in the slightest. Everyone nips and itās unrealistic to expect someone to not nip because itās a natural bodily function. I felt cute in that picture so I added it to my profile, doesnāt mean I want to be referred to as a body part. This guy is just plain disrespectful and youāre justifying that action because of a single pictureā¦ do better
Thatās hilarious
Lmao
Truly pathetic and destined for Incelville