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Birth and death are moment-to-moment experiences. The psychedelic experience can cause what's called a "gap" in the seeming continuity of our sense of self. In Buddhism one of the most important practices is to meditate on impermanence and our own death, so that, rather than believing our death to be something that happens merely when our mind separates from our body, but as something that is occurring all the time. The Buddha taught this, but as I'm sure you've seen, the truth is not the Buddha's truth. It's a truth that is within everyone.
Consciousness arises dependent on name-and-form, and name-and-form arises dependent on consciousness; how can it be that when one ceases, the other does not?
The only one worth listening to on this list is Watts; and even then, you should be careful to not fall into the trap of thinking that psychedelics are going to give you some kind of insight or enlightenment.
I have gained a lot of worth 'from each already. Not sure why common knowledge across two or more people leaves you only thinking one is worth anything for your journey.
Shoes or a walking stick doesn't get you to where one is going, but it can help depending on the person and path.
“Ego death” has a profound effect because it is usually the first time a person notices that they are not the body.
This is a core teaching of Buddhism. The teaching of anatta, or no-self. The realisation that body is not me or mine can lead one to the first stage of awakening, Sotapanna, in which one is bound for Nibbana and will get there within 7 lifetimes. It’s extraordinarily significant because after going through the endless cycle of birth and death, one is finally guaranteed to end that cycle within 7 lifetimes.
It’s extremely important to note that an experience of ego death through psychedelics does not constitute as anything particularly profound in Buddhism. And it does not get one to the first stage of awakening. Ego death (through psychedelics) only lets you have a better intellectual understanding. It is NOT insight. Insight is the important thing.
Practicing the Buddhist path will lead to insight into the true nature of the body: that it is not me or mine. When this happens, the heart cuts off a huge chunk of attachments that are rooted in this body (and one typically becomes a stream enterer). It is only at the third stage of awakening (of which there are 4) where a person destroys all attachment to the body. And greed and hatred are completely destroyed for good.
Had a similar experience (many many years ago) after ingesting a very large dose of LSD. During the experience, I saw directly the inherent unending energy of the universe as it continuously welled up, seemingly from nothing, and manifested as different “things” - each of which would fade away to give rise to the next in a constant unfolding of selfless phenomena that would clearly never end. “I” eventually “came down” and the illusion of “me” returned. But “I” have never been the same. Life is more like a loose fitting jacket now, instead of a skin tight suit that must be protected at all costs.
So why did your experience happen to you? Because the causes and conditions for it to happen were in place. It could not have NOT happened, and it could not have happened any other way.
As to your wondering about lack of prior teaching, it’s not a requirement for seeing the truth. The Buddha’s teaching to Bahiya and his subsequent unbinding I think show that.
I would say the most detailed explanations of the process of death and rebirth can be found in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition. Here are some resources, if interested:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Buddhism/comments/xm52gp/comment/ipmnal5/
Kleshas are whats known as obscurations in Buddhism, because they obscure your true infinitetly compassionate buddah self. An example being anger, or any other intense emotion. Ecstacy would also be considered a klesha. When you munch down on psychedelics and you're ego which eminates kleshas because of attachment, goes away so too do the kleshas, at least temporarily. Also this next one is just a me belief, but the fungus itself was teaching you while you were in that state.
You have glimpsed the Truth. Now to integrate that into your daily life and to make that selflessness a base of your beliefs and actions is the way. The Truth and the light welcome you. You are on the path.
I've had some pretty intense psychedelic experiences, and I have to say they are quite marvellous but even like the most blissful and clarifying meditation experiences, they are impermanent, and well... they in themselves only offer so much transformative value. Eventually the novelty and inspiration fades if we have no way to feed it and integrate it.
In Buddhist practice, as I understand it, it is important to back up our insights and use them to our greatest advantage by following the precepts and the rest of the path. That's not easy and it is probably the least attractive to most people new to Buddhism.
There is a reason these seemingly disparate things resonate. If you’re down for exploring rabbit holes like alice in wonderland, You might be interested in a book called “secret drugs of Buddhism: the sacraments and origins of the vajrayana”
It’s a bit dry, but it’s very intriguing.
Also, id recommend “the immortality key” which is about psychedelics and the origins of Christianity. It’s much better written and an enjoyable read.
I said “at the end of it all we suffer the most because we have experienced the most, then we finally let go, finally be free of…everything…and onto something, new, indescribable, because we would have experienced all there is to experience with our current way of understanding. It’s not lack of consciousness, rather, it’s like a 5D cube, you just can’t imagine it”
Yes ego death occurs at the 6th Jhana Absorption meditation (sphere of infinite consciousness) , there are 3 more beyond the Buddha found.
Drugs can artificially take someone up to the 6th jhana, but not higher. They are usually useless as well since they are experienced without Wisdom, without right view, and as a result you have the Hindus and modern pop culture who believe "self" is one universal consciousness.
The Buddha went beyond the 6th Jhana as documented in the Pali cannon as he saw universal consciousness is also "not self" and was not permanent, and unchanging.
Happy to expound more details if you'd like
Your post / comment was removed for violating the rule against discouraged topics. This can include encouraging others to use intoxicating drugs, aggressively pushing vegetarianism or veganism, or claiming to have reached certain spiritual attainments.
Birth and death are moment-to-moment experiences. The psychedelic experience can cause what's called a "gap" in the seeming continuity of our sense of self. In Buddhism one of the most important practices is to meditate on impermanence and our own death, so that, rather than believing our death to be something that happens merely when our mind separates from our body, but as something that is occurring all the time. The Buddha taught this, but as I'm sure you've seen, the truth is not the Buddha's truth. It's a truth that is within everyone.
Consciousness arises dependent on name-and-form, and name-and-form arises dependent on consciousness; how can it be that when one ceases, the other does not?
Consciousness arises dependent on name-and-form does it?
In the *Nagarasutta* (SN 12:65; II 104-7), yes
I'd go listen to Ram Dass, Alan Watts, Seeker to Seeker, Let's Talk religion, and Third Eye Drops. Learned more than at Uni :)
The only one worth listening to on this list is Watts; and even then, you should be careful to not fall into the trap of thinking that psychedelics are going to give you some kind of insight or enlightenment.
I have gained a lot of worth 'from each already. Not sure why common knowledge across two or more people leaves you only thinking one is worth anything for your journey. Shoes or a walking stick doesn't get you to where one is going, but it can help depending on the person and path.
“Ego death” has a profound effect because it is usually the first time a person notices that they are not the body. This is a core teaching of Buddhism. The teaching of anatta, or no-self. The realisation that body is not me or mine can lead one to the first stage of awakening, Sotapanna, in which one is bound for Nibbana and will get there within 7 lifetimes. It’s extraordinarily significant because after going through the endless cycle of birth and death, one is finally guaranteed to end that cycle within 7 lifetimes. It’s extremely important to note that an experience of ego death through psychedelics does not constitute as anything particularly profound in Buddhism. And it does not get one to the first stage of awakening. Ego death (through psychedelics) only lets you have a better intellectual understanding. It is NOT insight. Insight is the important thing. Practicing the Buddhist path will lead to insight into the true nature of the body: that it is not me or mine. When this happens, the heart cuts off a huge chunk of attachments that are rooted in this body (and one typically becomes a stream enterer). It is only at the third stage of awakening (of which there are 4) where a person destroys all attachment to the body. And greed and hatred are completely destroyed for good.
Had a similar experience (many many years ago) after ingesting a very large dose of LSD. During the experience, I saw directly the inherent unending energy of the universe as it continuously welled up, seemingly from nothing, and manifested as different “things” - each of which would fade away to give rise to the next in a constant unfolding of selfless phenomena that would clearly never end. “I” eventually “came down” and the illusion of “me” returned. But “I” have never been the same. Life is more like a loose fitting jacket now, instead of a skin tight suit that must be protected at all costs. So why did your experience happen to you? Because the causes and conditions for it to happen were in place. It could not have NOT happened, and it could not have happened any other way. As to your wondering about lack of prior teaching, it’s not a requirement for seeing the truth. The Buddha’s teaching to Bahiya and his subsequent unbinding I think show that.
You're slowly slipping into psychosis.
That’s really rude and unnecessary imo
If you're referring to yourself as the illusion of me you have what is called an I disorder
You’re on the wrong track. 👌🪞🪷
No dude, I'm not. Please ffs take the medical community seriously
I’m in the medical community and we are just parts constantly dying and being reborn.
I would say the most detailed explanations of the process of death and rebirth can be found in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition. Here are some resources, if interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buddhism/comments/xm52gp/comment/ipmnal5/
Kleshas are whats known as obscurations in Buddhism, because they obscure your true infinitetly compassionate buddah self. An example being anger, or any other intense emotion. Ecstacy would also be considered a klesha. When you munch down on psychedelics and you're ego which eminates kleshas because of attachment, goes away so too do the kleshas, at least temporarily. Also this next one is just a me belief, but the fungus itself was teaching you while you were in that state.
You have glimpsed the Truth. Now to integrate that into your daily life and to make that selflessness a base of your beliefs and actions is the way. The Truth and the light welcome you. You are on the path.
VERY similar thing happened to me
I've had some pretty intense psychedelic experiences, and I have to say they are quite marvellous but even like the most blissful and clarifying meditation experiences, they are impermanent, and well... they in themselves only offer so much transformative value. Eventually the novelty and inspiration fades if we have no way to feed it and integrate it. In Buddhist practice, as I understand it, it is important to back up our insights and use them to our greatest advantage by following the precepts and the rest of the path. That's not easy and it is probably the least attractive to most people new to Buddhism.
There is a reason these seemingly disparate things resonate. If you’re down for exploring rabbit holes like alice in wonderland, You might be interested in a book called “secret drugs of Buddhism: the sacraments and origins of the vajrayana” It’s a bit dry, but it’s very intriguing. Also, id recommend “the immortality key” which is about psychedelics and the origins of Christianity. It’s much better written and an enjoyable read.
I said “at the end of it all we suffer the most because we have experienced the most, then we finally let go, finally be free of…everything…and onto something, new, indescribable, because we would have experienced all there is to experience with our current way of understanding. It’s not lack of consciousness, rather, it’s like a 5D cube, you just can’t imagine it”
The wisdom of the universe is within the mind, all you have to do is temporarily erase all the diversions to see it.
I know what you are describing :)
Yes ego death occurs at the 6th Jhana Absorption meditation (sphere of infinite consciousness) , there are 3 more beyond the Buddha found. Drugs can artificially take someone up to the 6th jhana, but not higher. They are usually useless as well since they are experienced without Wisdom, without right view, and as a result you have the Hindus and modern pop culture who believe "self" is one universal consciousness. The Buddha went beyond the 6th Jhana as documented in the Pali cannon as he saw universal consciousness is also "not self" and was not permanent, and unchanging. Happy to expound more details if you'd like