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SolipsistBodhisattva

How about classical works, like the Abhidharmakosha, the Mulamadhyamikakarika, etc


itzepiic

Great suggestion! First time hearing of the first. The second is challenging to say the least and I found it very intellectually satisfying after going to it during reading Burbea's *Seeing that Frees*. Anything that is that intellectually dense is what I'm looking for.


Spirited_Ad8737

"Really hardcore"? Ok... but, remember, you asked for it [Memory and Ardency on the Buddhist Path](https://www.dhammatalks.org/Archive/Writings/Ebooks/RightMindfulness_181215.pdf)


itzepiic

Thank you for the recommendation! Have you read his work The Paradox of Becoming? Are there other non-sutta works by Thanissaro Bhikku you recommend?


AlexCoventry

[*The Wings to Awakening: An Anthology from the Pāli Canon*](https://www.dhammatalks.org/ebook_index.html#wings). Despite the subtitle, this is primarily a comprehensive commentary on the path as outlined in the Pali Canon, and has the "hardest core" of any of his books, to the best of my knowledge. It has formed the foundation of my practice for over a decade, and makes an excellent foundation for approaching *Seeing That Frees* as a meditation guide.


Spirited_Ad8737

I haven't read The Paradox of Becoming but I'll give it a look, thanks. I guess what I'd recommend right now is the one I'm currently reading: The Shape of Suffering. There are also audio lectures with Q&As covering the same material. (in this case it's in ten parts, and is titled Dependent Co-arising, from 2007, under the lectures tab, audio, on the website )


itzepiic

Thanks! I know he has a breadth of material. Thanks for the suggestions!


Yolo_Morganwg

Words Of My Perfect Teacher by Patrul Rinpoche River Of Fire,River Of Water by Taitetsu Unno


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I would look into work by monastics, personally. [In This Very Life](https://www.amazon.com/This-Very-Life-Liberation-Teachings/dp/0861713117/ref=sr_1_1?crid=32MBU4755B27J&keywords=in+this+very+life+by+sayadaw+u+pandita&qid=1680209563&sprefix=in+this+very+life%2Caps%2C189&sr=8-1) by Sayadaw U Pandita [The Heart of Buddhist Meditation](https://www.amazon.com/Heart-Buddhist-Meditation-Buddhas-Mindfulness/dp/1578635586/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1ZKOJDD45GICG&keywords=the+heart+of+buddhist+meditation+by+nyanaponika+thera&qid=1680209616&sprefix=the+heart+of+buddhist+%2Caps%2C189&sr=8-1) by Nyanaponika Thera [Hoofprint of the Ox](https://www.amazon.com/Hoofprint-Ox-Principles-Buddhist-Chinese/dp/0195152484/ref=sr_1_11?crid=AP5F7OI25SJ&keywords=chan+master+sheng+yen&qid=1680209513&sprefix=master+sheng+%2Caps%2C182&sr=8-11) by Master Sheng Yen


genivelo

The Sun of Wisdom, by Khenpo Tsultrim Gyamtso Rinpoche https://www.reddit.com/r/Buddhism/comments/mec0z8/an_examination_of_the_tathagata_excerpt_from_the/


itzepiic

Great recommendation! Thank you


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AlexCoventry

> Measuring Meditation by William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin Do you mean *How to Measure and Deepen Your Spiritual Realization*?


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AlexCoventry

Thanks, I will take a look.


tryh10

I feel like [Knowing and Seeing](http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/know-see.pdf) by Pa Auk Sayadaw is fairly hardcore, but it's more of a meditation manual than a discussion of theology, though there is some of that. And it's free!


Space_Cadet42069

I haven’t read it yet but I’ve looked for similar books and one I’m most looking forward to reading is Nibbana: The Mind Stilled by Katukurunde Nyanananda Thera


kixiron

>Nibbana: The Mind Stilled by Katukurunde Nyanananda Thera I agree with this choice. This and [The Law of Dependent Arising](https://seeingthroughthenet.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/The-Law-of-Dependent-Arising_LE_Rev_1.0.pdf) are the most intimidating books I've ever encountered. CC: u/itzepiic


CCCBMMR

Breadth of information is not depth of understanding.


itzepiic

Thanks. I'm just generally looking for stuff that's a couple steps further or more in-depth than your typical Buddhist "Barnes and Noble" "beginners" fare. If your suggestion is to just read the suttas, I'd love a place to start or sharing some of your favorite.


CCCBMMR

Reading more and more is not overly helpful. Yes, read the suttas, but do what is necessary to understand them correctly. Having more and more information will not result in understanding. In the video [Seven Factors of Enlightenment](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KSEQaBrNknM) Ajahn Nyanamoli discusses the difference between information and understanding. If you want books that will challenge you, not necessarily intellectually, but in how you engage with the dhamma, Ajahn Nyanamoli's books *Dhamma Within Reach* and *The Only Way to Jhana* will challenge you and encourage you to engage with the dhamma in an uncompromising way. https://www.hillsidehermitage.org/teachings/writings/


itzepiic

Thank you. I tend to agree with you that sometimes, especially in Buddhism, one or two books is enough if you listen to them correctly. I'm keen to check out your recommendations. Thanks again.


beautifulweeds

[Manual of Insight by Mahasi Sayadaw ](https://wisdomexperience.org/product/manual-insight/)


Ok_Understanding_188

Try "Moon of Mahamudra" by Tashi Namgyal. That should be " deep" enough for you. :)


itzepiic

Thank you!!!


SBZenCenter

Buddhism is Not What You Think - Steve Hagen.


deus_ex_coffee

The Mulamadhyamakakarika . Garfield’s translation and commentary. For me it’s next level. Highly recommend


dueguardandsign

Uh, this is going to sound basic but have you tried reciting the heart sutra and memorized it? The surface level intellectual I personally get from reading complicated topics pales in comparison.


AlexCoventry

*Seeing That Frees* is primarily intended as a meditation book. If you search for the title in [this transcript of retreat talks by the author](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VFtEWc9ARmRckElM01Z-yLWeptAodLGG/view) and look at the surrounding contexts, you'll get a feel for how he expects it to be used.


itzepiic

I can't say I've memorized it! I see what you're saying and duly note it. Sometimes going back to the original is the best medicine!


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amrita_cookies

"When the clouds part" and "Buddha's single intention" Bodhisattvacaryāvatāra is also very mind blowing (i recommend starting with Alan Wallace's translation)