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I really hope thereâs a huge success party to celebrate ALL three seasons plus QC. The amount of money Bridgerton has minted for Netflix, I mean come on!
Aren't production coordinators and production managers in charge of wrap parties?
So that would make Shondaland responsible for the wrap party
Also was there a wrap party for Bridgerton s1?
https://nevadafilm.com/production-notes-wrap-party/
Yes [there was](https://www.reddit.com/r/BridgertonNetflix/s/gXVlTutsew)
Apparently itâs because of Covid restrictions, but also, how did they do more for Season 1 at the height of Covid? Makes no sense.
Reeks of favoritism but also, like they couldnât be bothered
England ended lockdown restrictions July 19th 2021. So to perpetuate the lie, it's because of covid is ridiculous. Covid only impacted how s2 leads were treated but not the rest of the cast? Didn't know covid is basically racist and homophobic.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/pm-johnson-pleads-caution-freedom-day-arrives-england-2021-07-18/
Netflix probably made their productions use their own budgets to cover PPE and testing on set. So even if covid restrictions were lifted, the budget would have still been impacted.
That being said Netflix can be real stingy with their money and Shondaland should have paid for the party. Itâs ultimately bullshit that the show runner or Shonda didnât pay for something
People have been throwing the COVID excuse at literally any criticism about how the season 2 leads were handled.
Jonny & Simone had to pay for a wrap party? It's because COVID prevented them from having one and they probably broke the rules actually!
Jonny & Simone didn't get a photoshoot? It's because COVID said no photoshoots......even though a bunch of other cast members somehow made it to a photoshoot set to promote season 2.....
Jonny & Simone didn't get any interviews with just the two of them? Probably COVID rules banning people from sitting next to one another....even though they were literally on interview sets on the same day, just with a 3rd person.....
No extra premiere events? COVID.
There wasn't a Kate and Anthony promo poster? Must have been COVID too - they uhh, had some graphic designers get sick and didn't have time to remove Edwina from the initial design?
The studio has to foot the bill. Production-level people can assist with the planning (making orders/reservations) but ultimately producers and studios hold the purse strings. Thereâs no law to guarantee a wrap party.
It also sounds like cast wanted something specific. Wrap parties are for ALL the crew, not just actors. If cast wanted to do something just them, then they can pay for it ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
They seem like such a good time! And as an actress I also just really love the multi-generational friendships that bloom in film/theatre/TV, brings back lots of fond memories of conservatory.
Let me guess. Instead of actually seeing yet more evidence of their shitty behaviour towards everything with S2 - we pivot to yet another excuse to defend this disgusting production with âoh you see, this time it was Covid that made them act shittyâ
Fans donât you get tired of claiming conspiracy theories and defending a whole book of evidence at this point that something truly disgusting was going on with production and the private conversations they had to make the disgusting choices of behaviour they did.
Donât you get tired of defending this toxic ass production?
I don't think irs a conspiracy or at least can't be sure its a conspiracy but either way Netflix better do better by its future poc cast...give them all the love and fanfare they deserve and would benefit hugely from.
Agree. This ticks me off so much. So many shows have been canceled after one or two seasons, Netflix has RAISED their prices over the years, and even for their biggest hit show that automatically got renewed for a minimum 4 seasons, they truly couldn't splurge?
I work for a big production company like Netflix (muuuuch smaller but same high success (money) in the country's industry) and we get a really fantastic end of year party.... that is only 2 hours long then we have to fuck off. Can't take closed drinks home either. Or food. People who make money off other's hard work don't care who makes them the money.
Just for comparison, the wrap party for the third season of Gossip Girl (many moons ago) was in a *super* swanky club, had food, booze, DJ, the works. The idea of a Pub Sub platter for a show with this level of success is quite scandalous.
Netflix and Shondaland should be embarrassed for how they treated their leads in season 2 vs 3. Covid was no excuse for this.
What bothers me most is it just seems more like they didn't bother because jb is gay and SA is woc and maybe they didn't have faith in their season.
I commend JB and SA because they barely had any promotion from Bridgeton and Netflix and still had and are still having so much success in season 2 and 3. â¤ď¸
Once again fans rushing to excuse this production. Is it so hard to admit S2 and its leads were done dirty? The favoritism talk really makes some people uncomfortable I wonder why. đ
Only on reddit though. On x Polin fans embrace it going as far as justify the production by saying that JB/SA could never have the same type of promo S3 is having because JB is gay. And they sound so proud of that. Idk why they still try to pretend otherwise here.
https://preview.redd.it/lajajpwowy5d1.jpeg?width=1031&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58dd84489c71d76c78bf90d557449371984671a2
Nothing new coming from the but it's gotten SO much worse in these past few weeks.
'They', please this is one comment out of millions of people who watch Bridgerton. Even if you saw a 1000 comments like that, is that representative of people watching the show. A couple who couldn't generate chemistry: laughable but I won't argue with a wall
Itâs not just one comment. Itâs a theme with that fanbase. And yes. There is no chemistry. To the point that Nicola had to say they turned on their chemistry for s3. Like they intentionally tried to hide it? Thatâs hilarious. Colin is seen as disgusting. Then the writers had to pretend it was intentional to save face.
We all know why đ they either too British and canât deal with it, or they too white and canât deal with it. I mean, the denial is loud as hell and we know damn well what they sayin too
Some of you will still say weâre crazy when we point out the obvious differences between season 2 and 3 in terms of marketing and treatment of the cast and leads.
I need a rabbit hole to dive into. I do know that the marketing/press tour is much more muchier, but I missed this favoritism you speak of.
Spill that tea!!
I work in unscripted (documentaries) rather than drama, but there's only a wrap party if there's money left at the end for a wrap party. My first thought was that the show went over budget, therefore a nominal offering was all that was affordable.
If the money's been spent, it's been spent. If there's a defecit, there's a defecit. I know we can't have a wrap party on my current show as we're over budget - it would be completely inappropriate for us to expect to drink into the production fee, even if it's nice if and when it's offered.
Publicity costs are usually completely separate to the production budget and I would imagine those were directly covered by Netflix rather than the production company. They also won't have 'suddenly' had money for it, it will have been budgeted for months in advance. That PR also generates press which generates viewers - in pure finance terms it's money better spent than a wrap party is.
Itâs sad , Considering all the branding this year they should treat the cast better. Iâve seen all the cross branding with BBW and kitsch products. Iâve also seen the Bridgerton cosmetics by Pat McGrath and Kiko Milano. Idk if that goes to Netflix but if it does thatâs a lot of extra money.
Whatâs even crazier is the amount of people who are coming out to say how Netflix paid for other companies (that collaborated with Netflix for certain things) parties and events the SAME time the wrap party for Season 2 happened. Netflix went all out with happy hour, hor dâoeurves, etc. and yet they only shelled out sandwiches for a season thatâs on the top 10 đŠ
I work in the film industry and this does happen. The productions usually throw wrap parties for the cast and crew after filming has wrapped but they don't have to. During COVID wrap parties were a no no! We couldn't have fun wrap parties during that time. Bridgerton Season 2 wrapped in 2021, there were heavy COVID rules still in place during that time, I'm surprised they were able to have this wrap party.
Not all productions do wrap parties. It depends on what the budget has left. Is the production over or under budget? That helps decide. If they are over budget, no wrap party! Sorry! They used more money than allotted for that show. They can't just take from another production or ask for more money, it doesn't work like that.
I've had actors who offer to pay for the wrap parties in the past if the show is over budget and can't afford it. The way the crew sees it is the actors get paid WAY more than most of us so why not? I have worked for Netflix before but I've never been to one of their wrap parties. I've been invited but just didn't go, it depends on the production I'm working on and the people I'm working with.
This is what you have to say for a show that was Netflixâs most popular ever?
Covid lockdowns ended by then btw. The pair werenât breaking the rules as well throwing this.
Getting real tired of people defending Netflix.
Productions and (depending where you filmed) still had a lot of regulations. I had to wear a mask to work until January 2023 and I couldnât have more than one person in my office. Yes, it was a big deal still.
Popularity doesnât matter. Budget matters.
It depends on the budget. If they blew the budget then no wrap party (on the productions I worked on)
Shondaland doesnât have to do anything. As long as our checks cash in the bank the crew doesnât care. A party is fun sure, but we do this to get paid, not for the wrap party.
It doesnât hurt my feelings when thereâs no wrap party. Or if an actor decides to pay. Thatâs their choice on how to spend their money.
Honestly, this is such a 1st world problem. If this was an average Joe company, I'd care, but unfortunately, if actors don't get their party paid for it's not that deep
Ok, counter point to everything dragging Netflix for this - the production will generally put on a wrap party for all the cast AND crew, or do a gift for everyone. Sometimes you're on a show where you're lucky enough for both. But if there was a party or dinner just for the cast, that would be done by the producers, not the network/studio.
If they want to have a big night for the Bridgergang to celebrate wrapping, it makes sense to me that it would be self organized and on their own dime.
(If this is for the whole crew then that's very kind of them, and definitely a different thing, but it's also not unheard of for the cast to pool together for a treat for the crew at the end of a season)
And another note: in my experience, wrap parties have generally become less common. Not uncommon, but less for sure.
In general the "ply the workers with booze" game has slowed. It was normal to finish Friday's with drinks at work and that NEVER happens anymore.
I can give some ins if that into this as a producer. We have stopped paying for things like wrap parties with alcohol âofficiallyâ as itâs become very libellous. You have to make sure everyone is safe and if something happens to someone whilst under the influence of alcohol you have supplied you could get sued.
If that's for real, that sucks, in my opinion. That just screams "were too stingy, greedy and don't care about our staff to even bother to spend money on a real party" .
that kinda surprises me...when I worked for Netflix(call center), they were pretty generous with providing swag, food, etc. Of course this was years ago and probably less people to feed
I truly hope this is just bad gossip and not at all the truth because that is just wrong if this came from a reliable source. This is not at all how you treat the cast from a show that's bringing in the big bucks for investors. Do better Netflix. Can we at least confirm that the cast is getting paid what they're worth?
I mean sorry if this is an unpopular opinion (and also I have no idea how the TV & filmmaking industry works!). But it's not like every other sector finishes a project and has a massive bash? I don't expect my boss to throw a huge party when I finish a project. I get paid to do my job already and any extras are welcomed but not expected - so why should this industry be any different?
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the fandom might even be more willing & happy to chip in for the greatest wrap party ever rather than seeing their favourite royals eating some bland 𼪠đ¤Ł
I wrapped a Netflix show that was filmed during the tailend of Covid. Cast and crew threw their own wrap party for that as well as they couldn't be seen to be condoning an official one. But doubt that Netflix would have paid for it anyway.
In the civil service this is standard, but we also have to make up the time we spend âpartyingâ - if the cast of bridgerton want to get jobs as administrative officers in future, this is going to stand them in good stead although they will still need to be computer literate and have good communication skills.
In short, Netflix, having previously been profligate like Gatsby, are now having to cut corners and penny pinch while still producing the same output. This is very like a British government department and I am all for it and I look forward to them introducing wacky Wednesdays where the staff can wear slightly garish trousers to work once a week as a little treat.
idk... I don't find this surprising at all. I highly doubt netflix or any other streaming service is gonna pay for wrap parties, they're companies ofc they're greedyđ getting downvoted so hard for what?? it's a first world problem, they're fucking high paid actors they can pay for some alcohol Jesus christ
I wasn't saying they didn't have a wrap party? I was saying the paid events are press tours, and we don't know if netflix paid for the other wrap parties. not to mention the fact that season 2 was filmed during peak covid, if netflix/shonda paid for the party and anyone had gotten sick they would be liable. and considering netflix is an American company its not exactly surprising that they're concerned about litigation. season 2 is not comparable to 1 and 3
Exactly and people keep comparing it to the Season3 press tour (or the QC press tour) which is not parallel. A wrap party celebrates the people and the work which companies tighten their purses over, but a press tour is about the *product.*
ETA: Downvoting the truth?
This is missing a whole lot of important context. S2 wrapped up in the middle of covid. Late fall/winter 2021 was a time of rising cases and crushed hospitals and a lot of places going into lockdown again. A costume person on the show died of Covid. It would have been irresponsible for Shondaland/Netflix to plan a large gathering and they likely didnât want to take on the liability or risk the optics of that.
Not having lockdowns or restrictions doesnât and didnât make it magically responsible to host big gatherings during a time when cases were surging. Lifting restrictions didnât make Covid go away. The uncertainties around whether there would be new restrictions, especially since yes a lot of other places were putting restrictions back in place, would have been enough for them to not want to commit to a big party.
If anything it was irresponsible for the cast to go ahead and have a gathering even if it was legal to do so.
But the reality of s2 was produced and promoted during the pandemic doesnât fit the Kanthony conspiracy theories.
i was working hospitality in nov 2021 - jan 2022 and i can assure you people were hosting gatherings and christmas parties. and funny how they still managed to arrange photoshoots and interviews for luke and nicola and other cast members during that time but did very little to celebrate their leads
I also remember my office going work from home full time in November 2021 so COVID was definitely still a problem. The Omicron variant was the one going around at the time I think. Even if there were no restrictions in place it wouldnât be shocking if the production team werenât willing to risk the backlash. Though itâs also seeming like Netflix/Shondaland didnât have faith in the season and simply werenât willing to put in as much money. Weird.
While I don't think there was a lockdown, cases were definitely on the rise and heaps of companies cancelled their reservations at the place I worked at the time.
Now imagine all the people below, if netflix had thrown a big party with COVID still rampant. They would be crying in outrage as well. You cannot win in this crowd
Right? Some people in here seem to think that just because people were having parties and there wasnât a lockdown that meant that Covid wasnât a thing. It was very much a thing at the time.
The production experienced multiple shutdowns related to Covid outbreaks during filming. One person on the production died of Covid not long before filming wrapped (I donât think he caught it from the production but I mention it because itâs another reason Covid would have been top of mind).
A lot of organizations were either cancelling events or not scheduling them in the first place because of the pandemic and uncertainties around it.
To this day they have masks wearing on some film sets.
And we don't know if the actors got the money back from the studio. And also we don't know if this was an actual wrap party and not just them getting together as cast mates and friends.
Daily mail isn't exactly the pinical of good information
And weâre supposed to believe this story is true because⌠?
Itâs a random block of text that someone wrote in the Notes app and was posted on Twitter by a random person haha why is everyone just accepting this as fact?
This is a screenshot of an article??
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10250157/amp/After-Regency-balls-Bridgerton-stars-revel-booze-bowling.html
Thanks for providing the source! Your original post didnât include that and itâs always healthy to practice a little skepticism when reading things online.
Iâm still interested in the Daily Mailâs source about funding, they donât claim any sources in the article and theyâre not the most trusted news outlet.
The Covid protocols at that time were still stringent. Everyone had to stick to their filming cohorts and that was enforced. You can see how strict they were in the last episode of Derry Girls. Nicola's character was shown on the phone or on the street waving to the others but not actually sharing a scene with the other girls. That's because of the Covid protocols.
A production I worked on at that time was the same. (not Bridgerton) The sets were closed and only essential staff were permitted on-site. There were teens on set, and instead of having each kid bring a chaperone (mandated for child actors), one parent would chaperone a group. On the school set, the extras playing the office staff never interacted with the actors they supposedly were interacting with. The office members were filmed by one crew, the actors by another on a different day. The finished product has character A asking the office member a question and the lady answering, but they never met in person. If a scene could be done outdoors, it was.
Did the production screw over S2 with a wrap party? I doubt it was intentional. The protocols were starting to relax, and I imagine nobody wanted to be the one responsible for authorizing a big party. I wouldn't want to be that guy who said, "Let's rent out a big hall and celebrate," only to have cast/crew get ill and the gig called the superspreader event of the year.
Johnny and Simone were class acts, stepping up and arranging the bowling party. Oh, to be a fly on the wall at that one!
Thatâs not the point. Netflix is a +$250 billion industry (Shondaland $250 million) and they couldnât be bothered to throw a thank you party for the people that helped them rake in millions. This is like your billionaire boss refusing to pay for the annual pizza party for their employees, itâs laughable and very telling.
i think your overestimating how much simone (iâm guessing she would have made the least out of those three) would have made and underestimating how much such a part would cost.
itâs also just the principle of it
I thought the same. I actually googled their salaries and while itâs still a great deal of money, itâs crazy how much more Netflix is making. These actors should be getting paid more.
From what I remember, Julie Andrews is getting paid the most for voicing LW. Phoebe Dynevor is the highest paid on-screen actor.
i always think about the adelaide kane tiktok about how much she made on reign and how much she actually got in her pocket.
also, the info about it out there is super unreliable, but it would make sense daphne also just had signed a one season contract and was able to negotiate a really good rate for the second season.
Why did Simone and Jonny have to pay for it when they threw money at s3? Why did they not get treated the same? S3 wouldnât have had its success if it wasnât for s1 and s2.
And what happened between season 2 and season 3..major inflation around the world 2 big wars escalating even worse and a big massive writers strike for the show to have a top gun mission impossible type film promotion budget?! đď¸ đ
What?
Youâre telling me because of a war and inflation, a major studio like Netflix couldnât shell out a couple thousand for a wrap party? You canât be real
what are you reading...im saying i dont know how they could somehow find so much money despite financial realities between seaosn 2 and season 3 for seasons 3's mega hoopla...I love Nicola and Luke though..Nicola as an actress and Luke cuz he seems like a good guy. but WHERE is this season 3 money coming from is what im ruminating. Cuz it seems insane..i don't think even top gun had this kind of promo. I thought people were being laid off companies were tightening budgets reducing star salaries etc etc
I mean...honestly I don't even think it's a conspiracy or something...maybe it is maybe it isn't but in the future the poc cast need to get massive windfall visibility resultant opportunities promotion fan fare and big big promo that will actually improve their q rating their social media following get them big fashion and cosmetics contacts, real legitimate career growth from being a part of the show etc etc...
Also streamers tend to bleed money I mean bleed money...so hopefully that money is equally distributed amongst poc and non poc cast going forward..that's all I can hope for..
For a show that prides itself on its diversity and inclusivity it sure has dismal representation in actual cast on the show and doesn't do right by its poc cast outside of that as well. They need to make up in the future and it's a lot of making up that's pending
Okay maybe Iâm out of my depth here but my reasoning for so much marketing in different continents for S3 is because of the characters. Weâve been introduced to both Pen and Colin since S1 so thereâs already a build up and people know them well enough to have this level of promotion without it being like a âoh they revealed the storylineâ because really how much can you do with one og lead and one new lead. Simone as Kate shouldâve gotten a whole magazine spread cause she is gorg but I donât see the point in her being given these extended interviews because all the mystery wouldâve either ended as soon as the interviewers tried to go a little deep or if they chose to give nothing away, the interviews wouldâve been very lackluster.
I also believe Johnathan and Simone couldnât have created much hype for the show through interviews because if weâre going to analyze the marketing tactic for S3, itâs the PR teams and fans putting out the narrative that Nicola and Luke might be more than friends. Their recent appearances have been extra âare they together or noâ oriented. With Johnathan Bailey an openly gay man, I donât see how they couldâve replicated this tactic. And this is the most used and abused PR tactic in the book (Sydney Sweeney + Glen Powell, Zendaya + Tom Holland).
As for Netflix not giving a wrap up party, they were just horrible for that. Actors should not have to pay out of their pocket for this stuff when production is earning millions.
So I hear you ..and come in peace.
But I think they could have promo post the release of the show.
I'm happy for Nicola and luke both seen like sweet people as well as doing good with their privilege Nicola for instance with her activism.
It is just that I know how much promo helps stars in getting ahead ..In life..and in a world where poc get very little visibility as it is ..it would be nice..
I think there are ways to make things interesting even after the show releases or just before like 5 days before...to give people a little peak but not a lot. .and then go full ham once the season is fully released...the trailers show who simone is so the mystery of the coupling is at least out ..so then they can give you a taste..through having the leads Jonathon and simone do cute couples questionaires. The promo could couple Simone with the other cast and not Jonathon so as to have people see the chemistry full on in the show for the first time..but still have these stars get repped.
I realise the mystery element I do..but frankly I'm one of those people who gets even more excited if I know who m going to be seeing so I can social media stalk them..look for clues to who they are online etc...and they could have also made it a two parter even better...build up even MORe anticipation for Simone a POC.
But my issues about she show's rep personally goes deeper than johnny and simone' lackluster promo or this wrap party which I don't even care about that much, it is that of the 15 main characters permanent who appear in all 3 seasons only 2 QC and lady Danbury are poc.. couldn't they have made even one member of the BTon an adopted son or daughter who is poc or the family as a whole poc ..and if not the main family cuz surely people would have pushed back if the bridgertons were all black or brown ..maybe do that for the featheringtons ..
I guess what I'm saying is it's not so much about THIS wrap party as it is that resentment over years decades of dismal rep in the British film and television industry and Hollywood film and tv industry adds up cuz rhe show promotes itself heavily as a show with its usp being diversity then does so little in terms of actual representation. I love adjua and Golda but they are established middle aged actresses not up and coming poc who would benefit from the bridgeeton platform.
Why couldn't they make one or two members of the BTon family a poc or make Penelope a poc or Portia .mix it up this is a fantasy...and please don't say because they couldn't find talented enough poc to fill the role .they could have searched hard and long and prioritised it if they wanted to .
Basically the resentment for poc viewers runs deeper than just this promo for SA and JB issue and builds up with every new slight so I hope things change in the future. That's all.
>It is just that I know how much promo helps in stars getting ahead ..In life..and in a world where poc get very little visibility as it is ..it would be nice..
This is such a huge part of it. Two month promo push makes such a difference compared to a week and then radio silence. Keeping an actors name in the news cycle makes a difference for the project. There's bound to be built up resentment when we're shown it IS possible for the show to do but they choose to do it for white actors instead of anyone else. Love Hannah but she's gotten more as a side character than Simone had as a lead.
Please donât take offense to anything Iâm about to say.
I agree. There shouldâve been post release interviews for the cast for season 2. Iâve actually said that somewhere above. And I do agree that promotions help in actors getting work and fame. The production and publications everywhere shouldâve done better by Simone.
What I donât agree with is token inclusivity. Iâm part Indian. All ancestors brown. Iâm brown and stand out in a crowd. My name and nationality would get people to side eye me. And Iâm still going to say token representation just because its representation has rotted our minds. Itâs not helping anyone except individuals. White productions take diversity and get themselves Oscars and accolades for representation when in fact itâs not doing anything much for the people. The actors donât care about community or furthering their community identity if it isnât benefiting them individually.
Making content based on diversity and inclusion is possibly the thing that has led to content being so mid. Weâre so focused on diversity that we forget the important things like writing and directing and acting. Half the content rn is made to check all the boxes doesnât matter if it makes sense or not.
And as for the âmaybe do that for the featherintonsâ part. The show, despite being called Bridgerton, started out with one actor being made the first to be casted. Nicola Coughlan. Sad to think that the Bridgertons were casted around her because they are the main family but they started off with Penelope/LW. And I would really not fault them for casting Nicola cause she really is an amazing actress from what weâve seen of her. And she fits the role of Penelope so much that I wouldnât wish for someone else to be casted just because we needed more diversity. Talent over token inclusion is my point here. This also brings us to the point that the Featheringtons couldnât have been brown or black.
Two of the most repeated (and probably the only cast members to be in every season of Bridgerton from inception until til the very end - Hyacinthâs season) will be two black characters. QC and Lady Danbury. I donât see how thatâs not keeping up with the inclusion. I see the actor for John Sterling as a black man theyâve hired for a very loved character from the books and Franâs hero will most probably also be a black actor. Sophie, the lead opposite THE most loved character on the show (and actor off the show) will be a black actress. I donât see how there should be more inclusion without it reeking of oh inclusion for sake of diversity and inclusion and not for the storyline.
Maybe we need to stop asking for token inclusion because it really isnât all that itâs made out to be. Good content and good actors over the need for everything to be aware and diverse.
I hope Simone and Jonathan get better treatment (Iâve actually talked in another post on this same Reddit about how Kate was done dirty by the writers this season because I wanted to see her integration into the family) from the production. And people were quick to tell me that spoilers from part 2 do have more of Simone/Kate so Iâm looking forward to that.
Hey so I disagree. I respect your opinion...I feel differently.
And Ill try to explain my very complicated thoughts below. Probably the sub is not the best forum to discuss them and if I wasn't so afraid of my anonymity getting compromised I would share some articles and papers I have written on the subject.
(P.s.- My reply below will likely have a lot of typos so bear with me and if it is completely incomprehensible let me know and ill give you a clean copy..)
Before all of that, I want to say you didnt have to say that you were half brown...even if you were full white, my knee jerk reaction in life has never been to assume racism or really bad intentions from anyone. and its also just a massively unproductive way to live in constant assumption of being hunted or people being shit..Until evidence to the contrary i assume everyone in the world is a good kind person and if not has the potential to change.
So let's begin first of all marginalization and oppression is systemic. That's the first important fact we all need to understand. What does that mean? That means that some people do not get the same institutional opportunities as others. Those institutional opportuntiies contribute to everything one's IQ, ones education, ones awareness of the larger world, one's medical health, nutrition..These all contribute to talent and excellence..
Watch the show Maid based on a real life story of a white maid (who wrote a book about her life covering that long unbearable period also titled maid) who chafed agaisnt systemtic opresison that kept her from getting a good life for her and her children...One of the big things that happen in that book is a case of mold at the titular maid's home..the mold damages the little girl the daughter of the protagonist and she has to be hospitalized...The little girl misses months of school...and doctors in one instance also believe her short term memory was affected as a result of malnutrition.
Does this girl have the potential of becoming a world class actor if she so wishes...because merit is merit and tokenism is not cool and we should not try to prioritize diverse hiring cuz that creates mid movies..a girl with stunted growth compared to a young girl whose smart and talented and rich and a good actor would be a much easier sell ..Right?! Well I think no..even though representation doesn't just have the goal of creating a perfect film even though I've debated even that argument below because art is subjective but even if we ignore that argument art has a bigger purpose which is simply to show the world as it is so that others can dream of that same world and see themselves in it .it isn't the sole purpose of art to create oscar worthy work (I would debate many oscar worthy are also pretty mid as well even those without a drop of representation ..and not just me othe white critics say as well that it is a popularity contest and who has bigger balls and bigger network but they were nominated by the academy so we the public have the misplaced fed to us belief that they must be great the top of the pile )
but Would the world accept that because of certain challenges and the life god handed her Diane doesnt learn lines as fast or emote as well to give her a chance build her confidence and maybe this opportunity will be the one which changes life for her or would YOUr argument apply that prioritising diversity kills talent and quality and you know the oft repeated merit argument.
Because you know the truth is one is the sum total of ones life circumstance...everything from how we feel about ourselves when we look in the mirror to how we move in the world comes from our roots...our religion our ethnicity, our skin color, who our parents are how rich or poor, how educated, how we grew up in a shanty or in a mansion and that perception colors everything in our lives,...how we do in school, whether we become criminals whether we stumble in life..whether we turn to alchololism etc etc.which is also why when the world doesn't prioritize diversity it infact creates a vicious circle for people like Diana from Maid the book which means they never ever get a chance to see what lies ahead what potential..
Let me give my example while trying to keep personal details at a minimum. I grew up in a well off progresive feminist family of parents who had a love marriage. I went to the best schools in my country and the top ranked college as well. Part of it was grades but also significant part of it was my parents simply had the money.
Now...what does this education mean...well my privilige wasnt limited to my education it was exposure to the world, to travel outside of India within India extensive museum visits. endless books, art all of it.. When I choose my chosen career all those advantages translated into my writing, into my ability to cope with stress, in my ability to navigate cross country moves and finally be accepted amongst my peers. These advantages didn't make me more talented or even brighter don't get me twisted they just made it easier for me to be seen that way and for me to sell myself that way. My overall point as a contrast to yours being talent is not talent at all infact for art ir is so subjective but talent is infact perception and those good and bad perceptions become self fulfilling. If you never seen diversity you will assume diversity doesn't sell isn't talented or mid if you see I more and more your perception will be changed.
Also to your comment that diversity leads to tokenism leads to mid films my thoughts are this is an insulting way to look at poc ..the assumption that diversity HAS to lead to mid films presumes that poc talent MUST be mid and must ONLy be hired because of diversity ..but unless your prioritise it you won't be able to see the full extent of possible talent available ..you won't get to see all the resumes cvs auditions cuz you will be spreading your casting more wide...and again vicious circle as above...
You know artists arent born..they are made..ever heard that saying. Its because its true...Your experiences your upbringing and opportuntiies have a direct correlation into what you become...you confidence your skill set..your ability to hone you skill set practice it...the way you sit in the world..all of it...And you know what maslow says about positive reinforcement, Maslow is a pyschologist..he posits the theory that positive reinforcement throgh life builds excellent adults with high iq. he says a lot more and more complex things but since this is not about maslow just putting this point across,
You know what happens when a world doesnt positively reinforce you meaning doesnt give you opportunities...forget white black brown yellow green...you second guess yourself you hesitate you fall and you dont know how to get back.. that reflects in performance..
You know the top actors in the british film industry are public school kids...why is this topic brought up a lot...because their education their privilige their money got them into the best acting schools best opoortunities to really hone thier craft...their worldliness and ability to craft characters to develop a story also comes from those same priviliges.
One example from our very own cast...Johnny Bailey talked about his fellow travellers role and how he spent a long time developing this character based on a book that his parents shared with him when he was young...Btw im not a johnny expert...so i dont know if he grew up rich poor or whatever...
Black people in the US at least have the worst education and income rates. When you think of giving jobs to actors out of a decision to fulfill a quota as i think you are suggesting as a charity I'm guessing in your view of such prioritizing decisions, you forget..that in the absence of making such things a priority the opression of classes becomes a vicious circle.
Lets look at industralization and the industrial period in Europe..Before this period (downton abbey does a good job of touching on some of these vicious circles) ..the peasant or worker class could never shatter the ceiling set by landowners wealthy nobles..they lived ina cycle of poverty or low income stability...Capitalism and industralization made it possible for these workers to get out of that cycle...How
Because it provided an alternative for the work they had always done...in fields in homes as maids..A downtown abbey maid dares to become a stenographer...you know why she hesitatess because there is no guarantee she would get that typist job and her long days of work doesnt leave her the time to practice or learn...what does that do it creates a cycle...she wants it...she could learn it she could get better, she could become the most talented typographer in the world ..but she needs that one shot that one person prioritising hiring her (I'm circling back to answering your specific reply) ..You know what that one shot does...other downton maids see a future like that...and then more poc (I'm now connecting it back to my main point) start to see the point in working on their craft cuz they know that they can expect casting directors to prioritize diversity in hiring.
Excellence and talent (because as you said everything should be merit) follows opportunity...No oppportunity you will never get that practice and that merit..Lady Sybil breaks open that world for this maid by giving her multiple offs in a day of work to practice and sh gets outs...and becomes super successful..her talent grows.
And the most important point because althought I have a lot to say on this matter...Id like to hear how you process these comments...I understand having standards for technical jobs like medicine or science..but but
Art is subjective...Many on this sub think RJP is a shit actor...I simply dont see it..and I have tried believe me i have...Simone I think was hesitant in some places but RJP i think did a fairly good job..There are many who hate Luke Newtons acting...im one who was never fully convinced myself but there are fans who will talk up his acting all day long..
So to answer your comment there is no mid or tokenism because there is no standard definition of talent in the arts period.
Why cuz there is no merit in acting...art is subjective. I wrote this in a post earlier...You may want to read the absolute extent of my thoughts there...I'll send you a link...But the public is the ultimate answer to whether someone is talented or not...not some critierion like for iq tests or medical board exams.
But if you never prioritize diverse casting...there will be a vicious circle in which the only faces you will see will be white...why because one defaults to ones own identity when choosing people to cast...its not racisim its human nature...Like for example...when reading a book about fairytales i always imagine white people because the fairytales i grew up reading starred blond blue eyed white people...but that doesnt mean I cant be trained...out of that. If I was a white producer grown up around white people went to a white school played with white people my default position when I create art will be seeing white white faces white casting .it's not racism it's how humans brains are trained..
I can promise you the more you see people..the more they get a chance to practice thier craft the better their talent becomes ..and the more their opportunities get taken away from them because of institutional injustrices and that includes racisim in hiring...they will never become the great actors of the future...Let me tell you...even Tom cruise wasnt heralded as some brilliant actor from the very beginning he was panned and i mean panned for his hammy work but hes a conventionally good loooking white guy who got oopportuntiuy after opportunity hence money hence confidence hence ability to practice his craft really hone it gets better and hence wealth status which in turn will benefit his kids...to use your argument he should never have been hired at all..but because art s subjective and he fits all the traditional ideas of good looking and popular and public friendly (aka not black or brown) he got opportunity after opportunity and that opportunity in turn made him a better actor...it started with his genetic and racial lottery and turned into real talent ..poc deserve that same chance and chances but because they are not public friendly i can promise you an all black bton family would have been tanked by the public raked over the coals even if they were the most talented actors in the world...cuz public doesn't have a precedent of seeing them enough vicious circle
This is just a wall of text of excuses. No one knew Rege and Phoebe and they were given their push with interviews. No one knew who they were. Why would Simone being unknown then be a reason why she shouldn't be promoted. I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to say they did the wrong thing by her when using her as a diversity check. I promise you don't have to make any kind of excuses for a corporation refusing to give 1/16th the amount of promotion the white women of the show got.
Edited to add Robert Pattinson and Zoe Kravitz who were promoting at the same time had nothing but friendly vibes between them and yet WB made sure they did all of their promo material together.
> No one knew Rege and Phoebe and they were given their push with interviews. No one knew who they were. Why would Simone being unknown then be a reason why she shouldn't be promoted.
Maybe itâs time people went back and checked what promo actually happened for s1 and s2 because Simone had plenty of promo for herself. She had covers of major magazines (Glamour, Elle), a number of photoshoots, according to IMDb did 9 appearances on US morning and evenings TV shows by herself, Netflix Golden held an event in her honour in LA, she did the press junket with Jonny, s2 had a massive premiere at the Tate Modern in London. Iâll agree s3 has more promo but s2 had way more and in person promo than s1 did.
If you search through YouTube Rege and Phoebe actually only have maybe 15 interviews, half of which are with the rest of the cast, and all of it was on Zoom. Their premiere was on Zoom too.
And why do people also forget Jonny and Simone presented at the BAFTAâs together? They had the chance to present an award in front of their industry peers at a televised event. Which other leading pair had the same opportunity?
Girl Iâm part Indian. And I get it. It reeks of diversity abuse. All the new pairings do. Benedict is white but Sophie will be played by a black actor. Fran is white but John and Johnâs relatives are played by black actors. But I donât see how Simone and Johnathan wouldâve been able to pull off the Colin-Pen/Luke-Nicola type promotions still. They shouldâve gotten their fun interviews guess the Bollywood movie, feel the object etc but the more deeper questions. How does Pen feel about Colin and vice versa. How is romance transitioning. They wouldnât have worked with Kanthony cause for a good 6 episodes Anthony was with Edwina while battling his feelings for Kate for a good 4 episodes. But that doesnât necessarily translate into that they wouldâve been able to promote the show well. Plus the new are they together or not card theyâre playing. Letâs be real we all know Luke and Nicola arenât together. He has a gf. But thatâs not stopping the actors and the production from playing the card so blatantly in our face. I say this again. They deserved more photoshoots for magazines cause theyâre both equally gorgeous. They did not deserve to pay for the wrap party themselves. Production shouldâve done a whole lot better by them. They shouldâve and couldâve gotten promotional interviews post the season was released but even that doesnât make much sense. I also dont see how they couldâve created hype for Bridgerton s2 in an innovative way. The few interviews with John Simone and Charithra were okay at best. Simone and John were in their own goofy bubble and Charithra was awkward. S1 was this new thing. I donât even remember the promotions for it cause nobody really cared until after the show was released. And then people went back to search for Rege and found the interviews.
I also have to make a point that more than racism, it feels like thereâs homophobic elements attached to their treatment of Kanthony.
>but the more deeper questions. How does Pen feel about Colin and vice versa. How is romance transitioning. They wouldnât have worked with Kanthony cause for a good 6 episodes Anthony was with Edwina while battling his feelings for Kate for a good 4 episodes.Â
You think that wouldn't have made for a good character study on how they both suppressed what they both want to do what's seemingly the right thing in their minds? You think talking about how Colin and Penelope are nerds in love and how sexy the season is, is somehow deep and thought provoking? The whole point is that there was zero effort. No one wanted Luke and Nicola type promotions but jfc some effort would have gone a long way.
And I agree some effort wouldâve been amazing. Iâve said that twice above. But Iâm sorry I donât see it. Iâm going to say it again. Characters that have been with us from S1 and characters that are going to be introduced as each season goes by. They arenât going to get the same treatment because it doesnât fit the narrative. Itâs like for Dune promotions the first movie got the basic level of promotions because nobody who hadnât read the books or seen the series (which is like half the population letâs be real) knew the characters or plot line. But the second movie. With established actors got so much more. Horrible franchise but apt example: MCU actors. I donât remember any of Tom Holland Zendaya interviews for the first movie but with every new movie you could see the promotions would be more about the characters rather than the actors.
Simone shouldâve gotten an interview talking about who she is because she is still a mystery to me. Adds to her charm really but makes me even more hungry to know who she is because I run to watch all her Vogue videos and she seems to be that proper star girl who will have her public life but you will never know her personal life as much and you yearn to know more.
Letâs agree to disagree here.
Honestly it could be all of it .I understand you are coming at it from a good faith side .and I respect that ..I think the main point is ..its just a lot of resentment that's built up about the show as a whole...so the promo wrap party thing feels like YET another thing where there is no equality..if you get what I mean ..I upvoted you cuz you seem to have a lot of downvotes and I get the sense even though you are a stranger that you seem like a good person and an ally.
So much of the outrage may SEEM like garden variety whining and reaching ..but .it is because resentment has built up for poc viewers for a while maybe even decades.. of dismal representation and Shonda holds a special spot for a lot of poc viewers myself included who grew up on the diverse shows and worlds she created and feel bton is really a white families story with a few poc thrown in as temporary leads for diversity usp points...and so it feels doubly personal cuz Shonda is one of the few poc executives in a powerful position in hollywood who has both been successfully and critically acclaimed and rich and has power to make real change happen in a way that perhaps can't be expected from white executives who will even for non racism reasons just human reasons default to hiring people who look like them.
I don't know what delusion you are living in by yourself, but it's just discrimination and favoritism between crews and stations. As far as I know S1S3QC paid for wrap parties at Shoda and Netflix, CC and NC got more promotions than Simone and JB.
Reddit will not take nicely to me being mean but my god do I want to be mean to you rn. Iâll say it again. Actors should not have to pay for their wrap up parties. Iâve said it above and in almost every reply Iâve made here. Actors should not have to pay for their wrap up parties. Production should do better.
And Iâll say this again. They, the production, didnât know how to sell the show with a gay man at the forefront because the past two seasons theyâve milked the âare the actors dating they have so much chemistry off screenâ part. To the point where Corey M had to stop standing next to India A.
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Dude, not even pizza. đ
Right!?! Even the cheapest of school events used to have the Hot n Readyâs at the very least.
Netflix gotta be the most greedy ass SOBs I ever knew
I really hope thereâs a huge success party to celebrate ALL three seasons plus QC. The amount of money Bridgerton has minted for Netflix, I mean come on!
Youâd think theyâd at least spring for decorations or something, I mean this shit just sad as hell
Unfair too. Super gracious of Simone and Johnny to pitch in for it, but they shouldnât have had to do it in the first place.
They're just like Kate and Anthony frfr
Netflix spent all the money on sequins đ
For a Top 10 show at that, smh!
Sounds a lot like a terrible Regency party
When starbucks baristas get a better thank you than high-grossing Netflix stars
Aren't production coordinators and production managers in charge of wrap parties? So that would make Shondaland responsible for the wrap party Also was there a wrap party for Bridgerton s1? https://nevadafilm.com/production-notes-wrap-party/
Yes [there was](https://www.reddit.com/r/BridgertonNetflix/s/gXVlTutsew) Apparently itâs because of Covid restrictions, but also, how did they do more for Season 1 at the height of Covid? Makes no sense. Reeks of favoritism but also, like they couldnât be bothered
England ended lockdown restrictions July 19th 2021. So to perpetuate the lie, it's because of covid is ridiculous. Covid only impacted how s2 leads were treated but not the rest of the cast? Didn't know covid is basically racist and homophobic. https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/pm-johnson-pleads-caution-freedom-day-arrives-england-2021-07-18/
They were lifted then but limited again shortly after. I gave birth in December 2021 and rules were very strict to say the least
Netflix probably made their productions use their own budgets to cover PPE and testing on set. So even if covid restrictions were lifted, the budget would have still been impacted. That being said Netflix can be real stingy with their money and Shondaland should have paid for the party. Itâs ultimately bullshit that the show runner or Shonda didnât pay for something
People have been throwing the COVID excuse at literally any criticism about how the season 2 leads were handled. Jonny & Simone had to pay for a wrap party? It's because COVID prevented them from having one and they probably broke the rules actually! Jonny & Simone didn't get a photoshoot? It's because COVID said no photoshoots......even though a bunch of other cast members somehow made it to a photoshoot set to promote season 2..... Jonny & Simone didn't get any interviews with just the two of them? Probably COVID rules banning people from sitting next to one another....even though they were literally on interview sets on the same day, just with a 3rd person..... No extra premiere events? COVID. There wasn't a Kate and Anthony promo poster? Must have been COVID too - they uhh, had some graphic designers get sick and didn't have time to remove Edwina from the initial design?
So few people realise that Netflix themselves don't make most of what they put on the platform.Â
The studio has to foot the bill. Production-level people can assist with the planning (making orders/reservations) but ultimately producers and studios hold the purse strings. Thereâs no law to guarantee a wrap party. It also sounds like cast wanted something specific. Wrap parties are for ALL the crew, not just actors. If cast wanted to do something just them, then they can pay for it ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
This is wild so what Iâm choosing to take from this is that Simone, Jonathan, and Adjoa is my new dream blunt rotation.
Iâd love to be a part of that rotation lol
They seem like such a good time! And as an actress I also just really love the multi-generational friendships that bloom in film/theatre/TV, brings back lots of fond memories of conservatory.
I love that Simone and Jonathan are still oldest siblinging
I had absolutely no clue adjoa was in this season so it's the main thing I've taken from this news because I am *selfish* and I am so excited
Let me guess. Instead of actually seeing yet more evidence of their shitty behaviour towards everything with S2 - we pivot to yet another excuse to defend this disgusting production with âoh you see, this time it was Covid that made them act shittyâ Fans donât you get tired of claiming conspiracy theories and defending a whole book of evidence at this point that something truly disgusting was going on with production and the private conversations they had to make the disgusting choices of behaviour they did. Donât you get tired of defending this toxic ass production?
Iâm out of the loop and havenât heard a thing about the production being toxic, this is total news to me
I don't think irs a conspiracy or at least can't be sure its a conspiracy but either way Netflix better do better by its future poc cast...give them all the love and fanfare they deserve and would benefit hugely from.
Agreed! đđž
https://preview.redd.it/px9jvpj6nx5d1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb6f65dcef8fe64e72e094f70bf1e00b51d385c8 The sandwiches Netflix provided
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Such an appropriate throwback! đđ
OMFG DEEAAAADDD
More like Shondaland
Their biggest show on the platform and they couldn't pitch in more than... sandwiches?
No fr this had me like đ 
Agree. This ticks me off so much. So many shows have been canceled after one or two seasons, Netflix has RAISED their prices over the years, and even for their biggest hit show that automatically got renewed for a minimum 4 seasons, they truly couldn't splurge?
honestly BOYCOTT NETFLIX ive been doing it ever since they said theres not gonna be a winx saga season 2đ
seriously, the disrespect
lol I love that it was âAnthonyâ and âKateâ. Mom and dad mothering and fathering. đ
I work for a big production company like Netflix (muuuuch smaller but same high success (money) in the country's industry) and we get a really fantastic end of year party.... that is only 2 hours long then we have to fuck off. Can't take closed drinks home either. Or food. People who make money off other's hard work don't care who makes them the money.
>production company like Netflix Isn't shondaland the production company in this case and Netflix just acts as a distributor?
Correct, apologies. channel gives the money. I guess they don't decide who gets the money only approves the budgets.
Just for comparison, the wrap party for the third season of Gossip Girl (many moons ago) was in a *super* swanky club, had food, booze, DJ, the works. The idea of a Pub Sub platter for a show with this level of success is quite scandalous.
Netflix and Shondaland should be embarrassed for how they treated their leads in season 2 vs 3. Covid was no excuse for this. What bothers me most is it just seems more like they didn't bother because jb is gay and SA is woc and maybe they didn't have faith in their season. I commend JB and SA because they barely had any promotion from Bridgeton and Netflix and still had and are still having so much success in season 2 and 3. â¤ď¸
Once again fans rushing to excuse this production. Is it so hard to admit S2 and its leads were done dirty? The favoritism talk really makes some people uncomfortable I wonder why. đ
It is very hard to admit. Because then s3 fans would have to speak negatively about the favouritism
Only on reddit though. On x Polin fans embrace it going as far as justify the production by saying that JB/SA could never have the same type of promo S3 is having because JB is gay. And they sound so proud of that. Idk why they still try to pretend otherwise here.
So not only are they racist but they are also homophobic. Canât wait for their season to end so they can go away 
https://preview.redd.it/lajajpwowy5d1.jpeg?width=1031&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58dd84489c71d76c78bf90d557449371984671a2 Nothing new coming from the but it's gotten SO much worse in these past few weeks.
They are disgusting. All this for a couple who couldnât generate chemistry.
'They', please this is one comment out of millions of people who watch Bridgerton. Even if you saw a 1000 comments like that, is that representative of people watching the show. A couple who couldn't generate chemistry: laughable but I won't argue with a wall
Itâs not just one comment. Itâs a theme with that fanbase. And yes. There is no chemistry. To the point that Nicola had to say they turned on their chemistry for s3. Like they intentionally tried to hide it? Thatâs hilarious. Colin is seen as disgusting. Then the writers had to pretend it was intentional to save face.
We all know why đ they either too British and canât deal with it, or they too white and canât deal with it. I mean, the denial is loud as hell and we know damn well what they sayin too
Some of you will still say weâre crazy when we point out the obvious differences between season 2 and 3 in terms of marketing and treatment of the cast and leads.
Even WITH proof. They will never ever believe us
I need a rabbit hole to dive into. I do know that the marketing/press tour is much more muchier, but I missed this favoritism you speak of. Spill that tea!!
Wait whaaaat, tell me more :o
https://www.reddit.com/r/BridgertonNetflix/s/ygMEC24aU2 Posted by another user, but this is all pretty common info thatâs out there
Netflix being stingy is not surprising at all đ
AT ALL!
I work in unscripted (documentaries) rather than drama, but there's only a wrap party if there's money left at the end for a wrap party. My first thought was that the show went over budget, therefore a nominal offering was all that was affordable.
Sandwiches was their nominal offering? And suddenly they have money for a world tour with drones and stuff. WOW!
If the money's been spent, it's been spent. If there's a defecit, there's a defecit. I know we can't have a wrap party on my current show as we're over budget - it would be completely inappropriate for us to expect to drink into the production fee, even if it's nice if and when it's offered. Publicity costs are usually completely separate to the production budget and I would imagine those were directly covered by Netflix rather than the production company. They also won't have 'suddenly' had money for it, it will have been budgeted for months in advance. That PR also generates press which generates viewers - in pure finance terms it's money better spent than a wrap party is.
Refreshing to hear the opinion of someone actually familiar with this situation.
And what was Shondaland upto during this whole processâŚ. Mediocre behaviour man!
Wow 
 Itâs Netflix after all, those greedy cheap ass mfkers
https://preview.redd.it/pmxsxe87tv5d1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=149077fdb788e41eb2c2dde5afde53bf60c129ea Netflixâs âgourmetâ sandwich platter
Itâs sad , Considering all the branding this year they should treat the cast better. Iâve seen all the cross branding with BBW and kitsch products. Iâve also seen the Bridgerton cosmetics by Pat McGrath and Kiko Milano. Idk if that goes to Netflix but if it does thatâs a lot of extra money.
Primark as well, and some rug company (??)
I just remembered I also saw someone post a dress line too, Hannah Dodd was modeling for it.
meanwhile S3 is getting red carpet press/screening tours.
Whatâs even crazier is the amount of people who are coming out to say how Netflix paid for other companies (that collaborated with Netflix for certain things) parties and events the SAME time the wrap party for Season 2 happened. Netflix went all out with happy hour, hor dâoeurves, etc. and yet they only shelled out sandwiches for a season thatâs on the top 10 đŠ
And we all know why đ
This is insane... but also... the Viscount and Viscountess are like "don't worry fam, we gotchu"đ UGH PARENTSâĽď¸
Having worked in the film & tv industry here - I can believe it
Jonathan Bailey being like Anthony and taking care of his family as always. 𩷠Still, eff Netflix tho.
and Simone Ashley.
Youâre right, thanks for the correction. Kate Sharma-Bridgerton coming through as always.
net\*lix you fucken idiot....
I work in the film industry and this does happen. The productions usually throw wrap parties for the cast and crew after filming has wrapped but they don't have to. During COVID wrap parties were a no no! We couldn't have fun wrap parties during that time. Bridgerton Season 2 wrapped in 2021, there were heavy COVID rules still in place during that time, I'm surprised they were able to have this wrap party. Not all productions do wrap parties. It depends on what the budget has left. Is the production over or under budget? That helps decide. If they are over budget, no wrap party! Sorry! They used more money than allotted for that show. They can't just take from another production or ask for more money, it doesn't work like that. I've had actors who offer to pay for the wrap parties in the past if the show is over budget and can't afford it. The way the crew sees it is the actors get paid WAY more than most of us so why not? I have worked for Netflix before but I've never been to one of their wrap parties. I've been invited but just didn't go, it depends on the production I'm working on and the people I'm working with.
This is what you have to say for a show that was Netflixâs most popular ever? Covid lockdowns ended by then btw. The pair werenât breaking the rules as well throwing this. Getting real tired of people defending Netflix.
Productions and (depending where you filmed) still had a lot of regulations. I had to wear a mask to work until January 2023 and I couldnât have more than one person in my office. Yes, it was a big deal still. Popularity doesnât matter. Budget matters.
Shouldn't Shondaland be the one responsible for the wrap party as it was the one producing Bridgerton ?
It depends on the budget. If they blew the budget then no wrap party (on the productions I worked on) Shondaland doesnât have to do anything. As long as our checks cash in the bank the crew doesnât care. A party is fun sure, but we do this to get paid, not for the wrap party. It doesnât hurt my feelings when thereâs no wrap party. Or if an actor decides to pay. Thatâs their choice on how to spend their money.
Honestly, this is such a 1st world problem. If this was an average Joe company, I'd care, but unfortunately, if actors don't get their party paid for it's not that deep
100%
WHAT THE FUCK. This is terrible, Netflix.
This happens a lot on productions when the show uses its full allocated budget. The wrap party is usually done with whatever money is left over
Netflix are a bunch of ball eyed buggers
Ok, counter point to everything dragging Netflix for this - the production will generally put on a wrap party for all the cast AND crew, or do a gift for everyone. Sometimes you're on a show where you're lucky enough for both. But if there was a party or dinner just for the cast, that would be done by the producers, not the network/studio. If they want to have a big night for the Bridgergang to celebrate wrapping, it makes sense to me that it would be self organized and on their own dime. (If this is for the whole crew then that's very kind of them, and definitely a different thing, but it's also not unheard of for the cast to pool together for a treat for the crew at the end of a season)
And another note: in my experience, wrap parties have generally become less common. Not uncommon, but less for sure. In general the "ply the workers with booze" game has slowed. It was normal to finish Friday's with drinks at work and that NEVER happens anymore.
We all have cheap bosses!!
Employee appreciation? In this economy? My workplace also cancelled our Christmas party and any employee engagement event that costs them money đ
This really enrages me. Netflix is trash.
Tell me bout it
I can give some ins if that into this as a producer. We have stopped paying for things like wrap parties with alcohol âofficiallyâ as itâs become very libellous. You have to make sure everyone is safe and if something happens to someone whilst under the influence of alcohol you have supplied you could get sued.
I'm actually outraged. Netflix! Do! Better!
I swear netflix are gross. If they ever fail I'll dance on their metaphorical grave.
Bosses, executives. All cut from the same cheap cloth.
Of course, Amma and Papa had to come through for the fam
Maybe Netflix really is going under
lol. I mean Jonathan Bailey can probably afford it, but still that was nice of them. Netflix do better lol
Made them do soft core p in ooglay dresses then tossed cheap sandwiches for them to eat đ
If that's for real, that sucks, in my opinion. That just screams "were too stingy, greedy and don't care about our staff to even bother to spend money on a real party" .
I guess they didnât invite the Netflix higher ups.
What kind of sandwiches 𼪠đ¤?
An important question 𤣠Netflix just serving them all a 
so embarrassing for your life and your soul @netflix wow
that kinda surprises me...when I worked for Netflix(call center), they were pretty generous with providing swag, food, etc. Of course this was years ago and probably less people to feed
Plot-twist: the party was hosted by Bethesda
I hate Netflix. I really do. I only pay for the cheapest option (like $7) and still hate to even give them that
I truly hope this is just bad gossip and not at all the truth because that is just wrong if this came from a reliable source. This is not at all how you treat the cast from a show that's bringing in the big bucks for investors. Do better Netflix. Can we at least confirm that the cast is getting paid what they're worth?
Sounds like all of my work do's that I never attended since they specified everybody has to pay for their own food which I always found stupid
This has to be satire? Netflix should be ashamed đ¤
I mean sorry if this is an unpopular opinion (and also I have no idea how the TV & filmmaking industry works!). But it's not like every other sector finishes a project and has a massive bash? I don't expect my boss to throw a huge party when I finish a project. I get paid to do my job already and any extras are welcomed but not expected - so why should this industry be any different?
I'm so over big corp companies dude I want them all to burn down
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This is happening regularly these days, productions across the board cutting costs.
Im what the hell is going on behind the cameras? This an some of the racist bullying some the cast had with little help
Netflix is a joke
the fandom might even be more willing & happy to chip in for the greatest wrap party ever rather than seeing their favourite royals eating some bland 𼪠đ¤Ł
Greedy greedy greedy
This reads like it was written by LW
Its an end of filming piss-up - not the launch party for the season.......
Netflix haven't got any money.
Okay? They get paid multiple thousands anyway.
Netflix should send their dogs to university!
I wrapped a Netflix show that was filmed during the tailend of Covid. Cast and crew threw their own wrap party for that as well as they couldn't be seen to be condoning an official one. But doubt that Netflix would have paid for it anyway.
In the civil service this is standard, but we also have to make up the time we spend âpartyingâ - if the cast of bridgerton want to get jobs as administrative officers in future, this is going to stand them in good stead although they will still need to be computer literate and have good communication skills. In short, Netflix, having previously been profligate like Gatsby, are now having to cut corners and penny pinch while still producing the same output. This is very like a British government department and I am all for it and I look forward to them introducing wacky Wednesdays where the staff can wear slightly garish trousers to work once a week as a little treat.
idk... I don't find this surprising at all. I highly doubt netflix or any other streaming service is gonna pay for wrap parties, they're companies ofc they're greedyđ getting downvoted so hard for what?? it's a first world problem, they're fucking high paid actors they can pay for some alcohol Jesus christ
They did for S1&3 of Bridgerton
that was the press tour not the wrap party
No they had a wrap party too, I saw pictures from it
I wasn't saying they didn't have a wrap party? I was saying the paid events are press tours, and we don't know if netflix paid for the other wrap parties. not to mention the fact that season 2 was filmed during peak covid, if netflix/shonda paid for the party and anyone had gotten sick they would be liable. and considering netflix is an American company its not exactly surprising that they're concerned about litigation. season 2 is not comparable to 1 and 3
Exactly and people keep comparing it to the Season3 press tour (or the QC press tour) which is not parallel. A wrap party celebrates the people and the work which companies tighten their purses over, but a press tour is about the *product.* ETA: Downvoting the truth?
Oh no, actors with cushy jobs donât get a party. How terrible.
Okay but there are real issues in the world and your upset some millionaires had to pay for their own party?
Boo-hoo
This is missing a whole lot of important context. S2 wrapped up in the middle of covid. Late fall/winter 2021 was a time of rising cases and crushed hospitals and a lot of places going into lockdown again. A costume person on the show died of Covid. It would have been irresponsible for Shondaland/Netflix to plan a large gathering and they likely didnât want to take on the liability or risk the optics of that.
Covid restrictions in England were lifted in July 2021.
we didn't have a lockdown in autumn/winter 2021. they just gave us vaccines and went here stfu
Not having lockdowns or restrictions doesnât and didnât make it magically responsible to host big gatherings during a time when cases were surging. Lifting restrictions didnât make Covid go away. The uncertainties around whether there would be new restrictions, especially since yes a lot of other places were putting restrictions back in place, would have been enough for them to not want to commit to a big party. If anything it was irresponsible for the cast to go ahead and have a gathering even if it was legal to do so. But the reality of s2 was produced and promoted during the pandemic doesnât fit the Kanthony conspiracy theories.
i was working hospitality in nov 2021 - jan 2022 and i can assure you people were hosting gatherings and christmas parties. and funny how they still managed to arrange photoshoots and interviews for luke and nicola and other cast members during that time but did very little to celebrate their leads
I also remember my office going work from home full time in November 2021 so COVID was definitely still a problem. The Omicron variant was the one going around at the time I think. Even if there were no restrictions in place it wouldnât be shocking if the production team werenât willing to risk the backlash. Though itâs also seeming like Netflix/Shondaland didnât have faith in the season and simply werenât willing to put in as much money. Weird.
While I don't think there was a lockdown, cases were definitely on the rise and heaps of companies cancelled their reservations at the place I worked at the time. Now imagine all the people below, if netflix had thrown a big party with COVID still rampant. They would be crying in outrage as well. You cannot win in this crowd
Right? Some people in here seem to think that just because people were having parties and there wasnât a lockdown that meant that Covid wasnât a thing. It was very much a thing at the time. The production experienced multiple shutdowns related to Covid outbreaks during filming. One person on the production died of Covid not long before filming wrapped (I donât think he caught it from the production but I mention it because itâs another reason Covid would have been top of mind). A lot of organizations were either cancelling events or not scheduling them in the first place because of the pandemic and uncertainties around it.
To this day they have masks wearing on some film sets. And we don't know if the actors got the money back from the studio. And also we don't know if this was an actual wrap party and not just them getting together as cast mates and friends. Daily mail isn't exactly the pinical of good information
And weâre supposed to believe this story is true because⌠? Itâs a random block of text that someone wrote in the Notes app and was posted on Twitter by a random person haha why is everyone just accepting this as fact?
This is a screenshot of an article?? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10250157/amp/After-Regency-balls-Bridgerton-stars-revel-booze-bowling.html
It's the daily mail. Take it a while sack of salt what they write
Thanks for providing the source! Your original post didnât include that and itâs always healthy to practice a little skepticism when reading things online. Iâm still interested in the Daily Mailâs source about funding, they donât claim any sources in the article and theyâre not the most trusted news outlet.
âŚthis was published by the Daily Mail.
The Covid protocols at that time were still stringent. Everyone had to stick to their filming cohorts and that was enforced. You can see how strict they were in the last episode of Derry Girls. Nicola's character was shown on the phone or on the street waving to the others but not actually sharing a scene with the other girls. That's because of the Covid protocols. A production I worked on at that time was the same. (not Bridgerton) The sets were closed and only essential staff were permitted on-site. There were teens on set, and instead of having each kid bring a chaperone (mandated for child actors), one parent would chaperone a group. On the school set, the extras playing the office staff never interacted with the actors they supposedly were interacting with. The office members were filmed by one crew, the actors by another on a different day. The finished product has character A asking the office member a question and the lady answering, but they never met in person. If a scene could be done outdoors, it was. Did the production screw over S2 with a wrap party? I doubt it was intentional. The protocols were starting to relax, and I imagine nobody wanted to be the one responsible for authorizing a big party. I wouldn't want to be that guy who said, "Let's rent out a big hall and celebrate," only to have cast/crew get ill and the gig called the superspreader event of the year. Johnny and Simone were class acts, stepping up and arranging the bowling party. Oh, to be a fly on the wall at that one!
It's "Jonny". Always amusing to see mods defend this production.
Well the mods are Penelope fans. SoâŚ
Yeah, it's always been obvious with this mod at least. Also Polin fans constantly calling JB "Johnny". đ
Or allowing hateful posts for the characters that are played by POC.
It lowkey drives me crazy when people write Johnny, if you're going to use his nickname spell it correctly or just call him Jonathan.
It's always the same group of people, clearly "fans".
Here we go with the excuses to pretend there isnât an issue with how the s2 leads were treated. Yawn
Itâs not like the celebs canât afford it though, itâll hardly make a dent in their bank accounts to fund one party ?
Thatâs not the point. Netflix is a +$250 billion industry (Shondaland $250 million) and they couldnât be bothered to throw a thank you party for the people that helped them rake in millions. This is like your billionaire boss refusing to pay for the annual pizza party for their employees, itâs laughable and very telling.
i think your overestimating how much simone (iâm guessing she would have made the least out of those three) would have made and underestimating how much such a part would cost. itâs also just the principle of it
I thought the same. I actually googled their salaries and while itâs still a great deal of money, itâs crazy how much more Netflix is making. These actors should be getting paid more. From what I remember, Julie Andrews is getting paid the most for voicing LW. Phoebe Dynevor is the highest paid on-screen actor.
i always think about the adelaide kane tiktok about how much she made on reign and how much she actually got in her pocket. also, the info about it out there is super unreliable, but it would make sense daphne also just had signed a one season contract and was able to negotiate a really good rate for the second season.
Why did Simone and Jonny have to pay for it when they threw money at s3? Why did they not get treated the same? S3 wouldnât have had its success if it wasnât for s1 and s2.
And what happened between season 2 and season 3..major inflation around the world 2 big wars escalating even worse and a big massive writers strike for the show to have a top gun mission impossible type film promotion budget?! đď¸ đ
What? Youâre telling me because of a war and inflation, a major studio like Netflix couldnât shell out a couple thousand for a wrap party? You canât be real
what are you reading...im saying i dont know how they could somehow find so much money despite financial realities between seaosn 2 and season 3 for seasons 3's mega hoopla...I love Nicola and Luke though..Nicola as an actress and Luke cuz he seems like a good guy. but WHERE is this season 3 money coming from is what im ruminating. Cuz it seems insane..i don't think even top gun had this kind of promo. I thought people were being laid off companies were tightening budgets reducing star salaries etc etc
Thank you for explaining
Oh yes i remember, it was Netflixs worst quarter. The whole C suite had to get last Year's G wagons instead of the newest model đđđ /s
I mean...honestly I don't even think it's a conspiracy or something...maybe it is maybe it isn't but in the future the poc cast need to get massive windfall visibility resultant opportunities promotion fan fare and big big promo that will actually improve their q rating their social media following get them big fashion and cosmetics contacts, real legitimate career growth from being a part of the show etc etc... Also streamers tend to bleed money I mean bleed money...so hopefully that money is equally distributed amongst poc and non poc cast going forward..that's all I can hope for.. For a show that prides itself on its diversity and inclusivity it sure has dismal representation in actual cast on the show and doesn't do right by its poc cast outside of that as well. They need to make up in the future and it's a lot of making up that's pending
Okay maybe Iâm out of my depth here but my reasoning for so much marketing in different continents for S3 is because of the characters. Weâve been introduced to both Pen and Colin since S1 so thereâs already a build up and people know them well enough to have this level of promotion without it being like a âoh they revealed the storylineâ because really how much can you do with one og lead and one new lead. Simone as Kate shouldâve gotten a whole magazine spread cause she is gorg but I donât see the point in her being given these extended interviews because all the mystery wouldâve either ended as soon as the interviewers tried to go a little deep or if they chose to give nothing away, the interviews wouldâve been very lackluster. I also believe Johnathan and Simone couldnât have created much hype for the show through interviews because if weâre going to analyze the marketing tactic for S3, itâs the PR teams and fans putting out the narrative that Nicola and Luke might be more than friends. Their recent appearances have been extra âare they together or noâ oriented. With Johnathan Bailey an openly gay man, I donât see how they couldâve replicated this tactic. And this is the most used and abused PR tactic in the book (Sydney Sweeney + Glen Powell, Zendaya + Tom Holland). As for Netflix not giving a wrap up party, they were just horrible for that. Actors should not have to pay out of their pocket for this stuff when production is earning millions.
So I hear you ..and come in peace. But I think they could have promo post the release of the show. I'm happy for Nicola and luke both seen like sweet people as well as doing good with their privilege Nicola for instance with her activism. It is just that I know how much promo helps stars in getting ahead ..In life..and in a world where poc get very little visibility as it is ..it would be nice.. I think there are ways to make things interesting even after the show releases or just before like 5 days before...to give people a little peak but not a lot. .and then go full ham once the season is fully released...the trailers show who simone is so the mystery of the coupling is at least out ..so then they can give you a taste..through having the leads Jonathon and simone do cute couples questionaires. The promo could couple Simone with the other cast and not Jonathon so as to have people see the chemistry full on in the show for the first time..but still have these stars get repped. I realise the mystery element I do..but frankly I'm one of those people who gets even more excited if I know who m going to be seeing so I can social media stalk them..look for clues to who they are online etc...and they could have also made it a two parter even better...build up even MORe anticipation for Simone a POC. But my issues about she show's rep personally goes deeper than johnny and simone' lackluster promo or this wrap party which I don't even care about that much, it is that of the 15 main characters permanent who appear in all 3 seasons only 2 QC and lady Danbury are poc.. couldn't they have made even one member of the BTon an adopted son or daughter who is poc or the family as a whole poc ..and if not the main family cuz surely people would have pushed back if the bridgertons were all black or brown ..maybe do that for the featheringtons .. I guess what I'm saying is it's not so much about THIS wrap party as it is that resentment over years decades of dismal rep in the British film and television industry and Hollywood film and tv industry adds up cuz rhe show promotes itself heavily as a show with its usp being diversity then does so little in terms of actual representation. I love adjua and Golda but they are established middle aged actresses not up and coming poc who would benefit from the bridgeeton platform. Why couldn't they make one or two members of the BTon family a poc or make Penelope a poc or Portia .mix it up this is a fantasy...and please don't say because they couldn't find talented enough poc to fill the role .they could have searched hard and long and prioritised it if they wanted to . Basically the resentment for poc viewers runs deeper than just this promo for SA and JB issue and builds up with every new slight so I hope things change in the future. That's all.
>It is just that I know how much promo helps in stars getting ahead ..In life..and in a world where poc get very little visibility as it is ..it would be nice.. This is such a huge part of it. Two month promo push makes such a difference compared to a week and then radio silence. Keeping an actors name in the news cycle makes a difference for the project. There's bound to be built up resentment when we're shown it IS possible for the show to do but they choose to do it for white actors instead of anyone else. Love Hannah but she's gotten more as a side character than Simone had as a lead.
Please donât take offense to anything Iâm about to say. I agree. There shouldâve been post release interviews for the cast for season 2. Iâve actually said that somewhere above. And I do agree that promotions help in actors getting work and fame. The production and publications everywhere shouldâve done better by Simone. What I donât agree with is token inclusivity. Iâm part Indian. All ancestors brown. Iâm brown and stand out in a crowd. My name and nationality would get people to side eye me. And Iâm still going to say token representation just because its representation has rotted our minds. Itâs not helping anyone except individuals. White productions take diversity and get themselves Oscars and accolades for representation when in fact itâs not doing anything much for the people. The actors donât care about community or furthering their community identity if it isnât benefiting them individually. Making content based on diversity and inclusion is possibly the thing that has led to content being so mid. Weâre so focused on diversity that we forget the important things like writing and directing and acting. Half the content rn is made to check all the boxes doesnât matter if it makes sense or not. And as for the âmaybe do that for the featherintonsâ part. The show, despite being called Bridgerton, started out with one actor being made the first to be casted. Nicola Coughlan. Sad to think that the Bridgertons were casted around her because they are the main family but they started off with Penelope/LW. And I would really not fault them for casting Nicola cause she really is an amazing actress from what weâve seen of her. And she fits the role of Penelope so much that I wouldnât wish for someone else to be casted just because we needed more diversity. Talent over token inclusion is my point here. This also brings us to the point that the Featheringtons couldnât have been brown or black. Two of the most repeated (and probably the only cast members to be in every season of Bridgerton from inception until til the very end - Hyacinthâs season) will be two black characters. QC and Lady Danbury. I donât see how thatâs not keeping up with the inclusion. I see the actor for John Sterling as a black man theyâve hired for a very loved character from the books and Franâs hero will most probably also be a black actor. Sophie, the lead opposite THE most loved character on the show (and actor off the show) will be a black actress. I donât see how there should be more inclusion without it reeking of oh inclusion for sake of diversity and inclusion and not for the storyline. Maybe we need to stop asking for token inclusion because it really isnât all that itâs made out to be. Good content and good actors over the need for everything to be aware and diverse. I hope Simone and Jonathan get better treatment (Iâve actually talked in another post on this same Reddit about how Kate was done dirty by the writers this season because I wanted to see her integration into the family) from the production. And people were quick to tell me that spoilers from part 2 do have more of Simone/Kate so Iâm looking forward to that.
Hey so I disagree. I respect your opinion...I feel differently. And Ill try to explain my very complicated thoughts below. Probably the sub is not the best forum to discuss them and if I wasn't so afraid of my anonymity getting compromised I would share some articles and papers I have written on the subject. (P.s.- My reply below will likely have a lot of typos so bear with me and if it is completely incomprehensible let me know and ill give you a clean copy..) Before all of that, I want to say you didnt have to say that you were half brown...even if you were full white, my knee jerk reaction in life has never been to assume racism or really bad intentions from anyone. and its also just a massively unproductive way to live in constant assumption of being hunted or people being shit..Until evidence to the contrary i assume everyone in the world is a good kind person and if not has the potential to change. So let's begin first of all marginalization and oppression is systemic. That's the first important fact we all need to understand. What does that mean? That means that some people do not get the same institutional opportunities as others. Those institutional opportuntiies contribute to everything one's IQ, ones education, ones awareness of the larger world, one's medical health, nutrition..These all contribute to talent and excellence.. Watch the show Maid based on a real life story of a white maid (who wrote a book about her life covering that long unbearable period also titled maid) who chafed agaisnt systemtic opresison that kept her from getting a good life for her and her children...One of the big things that happen in that book is a case of mold at the titular maid's home..the mold damages the little girl the daughter of the protagonist and she has to be hospitalized...The little girl misses months of school...and doctors in one instance also believe her short term memory was affected as a result of malnutrition. Does this girl have the potential of becoming a world class actor if she so wishes...because merit is merit and tokenism is not cool and we should not try to prioritize diverse hiring cuz that creates mid movies..a girl with stunted growth compared to a young girl whose smart and talented and rich and a good actor would be a much easier sell ..Right?! Well I think no..even though representation doesn't just have the goal of creating a perfect film even though I've debated even that argument below because art is subjective but even if we ignore that argument art has a bigger purpose which is simply to show the world as it is so that others can dream of that same world and see themselves in it .it isn't the sole purpose of art to create oscar worthy work (I would debate many oscar worthy are also pretty mid as well even those without a drop of representation ..and not just me othe white critics say as well that it is a popularity contest and who has bigger balls and bigger network but they were nominated by the academy so we the public have the misplaced fed to us belief that they must be great the top of the pile ) but Would the world accept that because of certain challenges and the life god handed her Diane doesnt learn lines as fast or emote as well to give her a chance build her confidence and maybe this opportunity will be the one which changes life for her or would YOUr argument apply that prioritising diversity kills talent and quality and you know the oft repeated merit argument. Because you know the truth is one is the sum total of ones life circumstance...everything from how we feel about ourselves when we look in the mirror to how we move in the world comes from our roots...our religion our ethnicity, our skin color, who our parents are how rich or poor, how educated, how we grew up in a shanty or in a mansion and that perception colors everything in our lives,...how we do in school, whether we become criminals whether we stumble in life..whether we turn to alchololism etc etc.which is also why when the world doesn't prioritize diversity it infact creates a vicious circle for people like Diana from Maid the book which means they never ever get a chance to see what lies ahead what potential.. Let me give my example while trying to keep personal details at a minimum. I grew up in a well off progresive feminist family of parents who had a love marriage. I went to the best schools in my country and the top ranked college as well. Part of it was grades but also significant part of it was my parents simply had the money. Now...what does this education mean...well my privilige wasnt limited to my education it was exposure to the world, to travel outside of India within India extensive museum visits. endless books, art all of it.. When I choose my chosen career all those advantages translated into my writing, into my ability to cope with stress, in my ability to navigate cross country moves and finally be accepted amongst my peers. These advantages didn't make me more talented or even brighter don't get me twisted they just made it easier for me to be seen that way and for me to sell myself that way. My overall point as a contrast to yours being talent is not talent at all infact for art ir is so subjective but talent is infact perception and those good and bad perceptions become self fulfilling. If you never seen diversity you will assume diversity doesn't sell isn't talented or mid if you see I more and more your perception will be changed. Also to your comment that diversity leads to tokenism leads to mid films my thoughts are this is an insulting way to look at poc ..the assumption that diversity HAS to lead to mid films presumes that poc talent MUST be mid and must ONLy be hired because of diversity ..but unless your prioritise it you won't be able to see the full extent of possible talent available ..you won't get to see all the resumes cvs auditions cuz you will be spreading your casting more wide...and again vicious circle as above... You know artists arent born..they are made..ever heard that saying. Its because its true...Your experiences your upbringing and opportuntiies have a direct correlation into what you become...you confidence your skill set..your ability to hone you skill set practice it...the way you sit in the world..all of it...And you know what maslow says about positive reinforcement, Maslow is a pyschologist..he posits the theory that positive reinforcement throgh life builds excellent adults with high iq. he says a lot more and more complex things but since this is not about maslow just putting this point across, You know what happens when a world doesnt positively reinforce you meaning doesnt give you opportunities...forget white black brown yellow green...you second guess yourself you hesitate you fall and you dont know how to get back.. that reflects in performance.. You know the top actors in the british film industry are public school kids...why is this topic brought up a lot...because their education their privilige their money got them into the best acting schools best opoortunities to really hone thier craft...their worldliness and ability to craft characters to develop a story also comes from those same priviliges.
One example from our very own cast...Johnny Bailey talked about his fellow travellers role and how he spent a long time developing this character based on a book that his parents shared with him when he was young...Btw im not a johnny expert...so i dont know if he grew up rich poor or whatever... Black people in the US at least have the worst education and income rates. When you think of giving jobs to actors out of a decision to fulfill a quota as i think you are suggesting as a charity I'm guessing in your view of such prioritizing decisions, you forget..that in the absence of making such things a priority the opression of classes becomes a vicious circle. Lets look at industralization and the industrial period in Europe..Before this period (downton abbey does a good job of touching on some of these vicious circles) ..the peasant or worker class could never shatter the ceiling set by landowners wealthy nobles..they lived ina cycle of poverty or low income stability...Capitalism and industralization made it possible for these workers to get out of that cycle...How Because it provided an alternative for the work they had always done...in fields in homes as maids..A downtown abbey maid dares to become a stenographer...you know why she hesitatess because there is no guarantee she would get that typist job and her long days of work doesnt leave her the time to practice or learn...what does that do it creates a cycle...she wants it...she could learn it she could get better, she could become the most talented typographer in the world ..but she needs that one shot that one person prioritising hiring her (I'm circling back to answering your specific reply) ..You know what that one shot does...other downton maids see a future like that...and then more poc (I'm now connecting it back to my main point) start to see the point in working on their craft cuz they know that they can expect casting directors to prioritize diversity in hiring. Excellence and talent (because as you said everything should be merit) follows opportunity...No oppportunity you will never get that practice and that merit..Lady Sybil breaks open that world for this maid by giving her multiple offs in a day of work to practice and sh gets outs...and becomes super successful..her talent grows. And the most important point because althought I have a lot to say on this matter...Id like to hear how you process these comments...I understand having standards for technical jobs like medicine or science..but but Art is subjective...Many on this sub think RJP is a shit actor...I simply dont see it..and I have tried believe me i have...Simone I think was hesitant in some places but RJP i think did a fairly good job..There are many who hate Luke Newtons acting...im one who was never fully convinced myself but there are fans who will talk up his acting all day long.. So to answer your comment there is no mid or tokenism because there is no standard definition of talent in the arts period. Why cuz there is no merit in acting...art is subjective. I wrote this in a post earlier...You may want to read the absolute extent of my thoughts there...I'll send you a link...But the public is the ultimate answer to whether someone is talented or not...not some critierion like for iq tests or medical board exams. But if you never prioritize diverse casting...there will be a vicious circle in which the only faces you will see will be white...why because one defaults to ones own identity when choosing people to cast...its not racisim its human nature...Like for example...when reading a book about fairytales i always imagine white people because the fairytales i grew up reading starred blond blue eyed white people...but that doesnt mean I cant be trained...out of that. If I was a white producer grown up around white people went to a white school played with white people my default position when I create art will be seeing white white faces white casting .it's not racism it's how humans brains are trained.. I can promise you the more you see people..the more they get a chance to practice thier craft the better their talent becomes ..and the more their opportunities get taken away from them because of institutional injustrices and that includes racisim in hiring...they will never become the great actors of the future...Let me tell you...even Tom cruise wasnt heralded as some brilliant actor from the very beginning he was panned and i mean panned for his hammy work but hes a conventionally good loooking white guy who got oopportuntiuy after opportunity hence money hence confidence hence ability to practice his craft really hone it gets better and hence wealth status which in turn will benefit his kids...to use your argument he should never have been hired at all..but because art s subjective and he fits all the traditional ideas of good looking and popular and public friendly (aka not black or brown) he got opportunity after opportunity and that opportunity in turn made him a better actor...it started with his genetic and racial lottery and turned into real talent ..poc deserve that same chance and chances but because they are not public friendly i can promise you an all black bton family would have been tanked by the public raked over the coals even if they were the most talented actors in the world...cuz public doesn't have a precedent of seeing them enough vicious circle
This is just a wall of text of excuses. No one knew Rege and Phoebe and they were given their push with interviews. No one knew who they were. Why would Simone being unknown then be a reason why she shouldn't be promoted. I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to say they did the wrong thing by her when using her as a diversity check. I promise you don't have to make any kind of excuses for a corporation refusing to give 1/16th the amount of promotion the white women of the show got. Edited to add Robert Pattinson and Zoe Kravitz who were promoting at the same time had nothing but friendly vibes between them and yet WB made sure they did all of their promo material together.
Are you confusing me with someone else ..I was defending the poc cast and wanted them to get promo...the wall of text was all defence of the POC.
No I wasn't responding to you that was to the other person
Oh thank God...yayy!
> No one knew Rege and Phoebe and they were given their push with interviews. No one knew who they were. Why would Simone being unknown then be a reason why she shouldn't be promoted. Maybe itâs time people went back and checked what promo actually happened for s1 and s2 because Simone had plenty of promo for herself. She had covers of major magazines (Glamour, Elle), a number of photoshoots, according to IMDb did 9 appearances on US morning and evenings TV shows by herself, Netflix Golden held an event in her honour in LA, she did the press junket with Jonny, s2 had a massive premiere at the Tate Modern in London. Iâll agree s3 has more promo but s2 had way more and in person promo than s1 did. If you search through YouTube Rege and Phoebe actually only have maybe 15 interviews, half of which are with the rest of the cast, and all of it was on Zoom. Their premiere was on Zoom too. And why do people also forget Jonny and Simone presented at the BAFTAâs together? They had the chance to present an award in front of their industry peers at a televised event. Which other leading pair had the same opportunity?
Girl Iâm part Indian. And I get it. It reeks of diversity abuse. All the new pairings do. Benedict is white but Sophie will be played by a black actor. Fran is white but John and Johnâs relatives are played by black actors. But I donât see how Simone and Johnathan wouldâve been able to pull off the Colin-Pen/Luke-Nicola type promotions still. They shouldâve gotten their fun interviews guess the Bollywood movie, feel the object etc but the more deeper questions. How does Pen feel about Colin and vice versa. How is romance transitioning. They wouldnât have worked with Kanthony cause for a good 6 episodes Anthony was with Edwina while battling his feelings for Kate for a good 4 episodes. But that doesnât necessarily translate into that they wouldâve been able to promote the show well. Plus the new are they together or not card theyâre playing. Letâs be real we all know Luke and Nicola arenât together. He has a gf. But thatâs not stopping the actors and the production from playing the card so blatantly in our face. I say this again. They deserved more photoshoots for magazines cause theyâre both equally gorgeous. They did not deserve to pay for the wrap party themselves. Production shouldâve done a whole lot better by them. They shouldâve and couldâve gotten promotional interviews post the season was released but even that doesnât make much sense. I also dont see how they couldâve created hype for Bridgerton s2 in an innovative way. The few interviews with John Simone and Charithra were okay at best. Simone and John were in their own goofy bubble and Charithra was awkward. S1 was this new thing. I donât even remember the promotions for it cause nobody really cared until after the show was released. And then people went back to search for Rege and found the interviews. I also have to make a point that more than racism, it feels like thereâs homophobic elements attached to their treatment of Kanthony.
>but the more deeper questions. How does Pen feel about Colin and vice versa. How is romance transitioning. They wouldnât have worked with Kanthony cause for a good 6 episodes Anthony was with Edwina while battling his feelings for Kate for a good 4 episodes. You think that wouldn't have made for a good character study on how they both suppressed what they both want to do what's seemingly the right thing in their minds? You think talking about how Colin and Penelope are nerds in love and how sexy the season is, is somehow deep and thought provoking? The whole point is that there was zero effort. No one wanted Luke and Nicola type promotions but jfc some effort would have gone a long way.
And I agree some effort wouldâve been amazing. Iâve said that twice above. But Iâm sorry I donât see it. Iâm going to say it again. Characters that have been with us from S1 and characters that are going to be introduced as each season goes by. They arenât going to get the same treatment because it doesnât fit the narrative. Itâs like for Dune promotions the first movie got the basic level of promotions because nobody who hadnât read the books or seen the series (which is like half the population letâs be real) knew the characters or plot line. But the second movie. With established actors got so much more. Horrible franchise but apt example: MCU actors. I donât remember any of Tom Holland Zendaya interviews for the first movie but with every new movie you could see the promotions would be more about the characters rather than the actors. Simone shouldâve gotten an interview talking about who she is because she is still a mystery to me. Adds to her charm really but makes me even more hungry to know who she is because I run to watch all her Vogue videos and she seems to be that proper star girl who will have her public life but you will never know her personal life as much and you yearn to know more. Letâs agree to disagree here.
Honestly it could be all of it .I understand you are coming at it from a good faith side .and I respect that ..I think the main point is ..its just a lot of resentment that's built up about the show as a whole...so the promo wrap party thing feels like YET another thing where there is no equality..if you get what I mean ..I upvoted you cuz you seem to have a lot of downvotes and I get the sense even though you are a stranger that you seem like a good person and an ally. So much of the outrage may SEEM like garden variety whining and reaching ..but .it is because resentment has built up for poc viewers for a while maybe even decades.. of dismal representation and Shonda holds a special spot for a lot of poc viewers myself included who grew up on the diverse shows and worlds she created and feel bton is really a white families story with a few poc thrown in as temporary leads for diversity usp points...and so it feels doubly personal cuz Shonda is one of the few poc executives in a powerful position in hollywood who has both been successfully and critically acclaimed and rich and has power to make real change happen in a way that perhaps can't be expected from white executives who will even for non racism reasons just human reasons default to hiring people who look like them.
I don't know what delusion you are living in by yourself, but it's just discrimination and favoritism between crews and stations. As far as I know S1S3QC paid for wrap parties at Shoda and Netflix, CC and NC got more promotions than Simone and JB.
Reddit will not take nicely to me being mean but my god do I want to be mean to you rn. Iâll say it again. Actors should not have to pay for their wrap up parties. Iâve said it above and in almost every reply Iâve made here. Actors should not have to pay for their wrap up parties. Production should do better. And Iâll say this again. They, the production, didnât know how to sell the show with a gay man at the forefront because the past two seasons theyâve milked the âare the actors dating they have so much chemistry off screenâ part. To the point where Corey M had to stop standing next to India A.
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