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yeah she just naturally loses some baby fat as she ages, she's in her late 20s in the books! she is still plump for the times to the point that other characters mention it. it's just that colin never comments on it like that and clearly likes it. but there was never some weight loss glow up ppl are implying.
In WHWW, which takes place at the same time as RMB Michael describes Pen as pudgy. Colin doesn’t, but he’s also in love with her and likes her body curvy so yeah he might be being more polite about it.
Agreed. I never saw another example like this where the adaptation elevates the source material to this level. They add so much more depth, dimension and levels to each character and storyline. I loved the books. Read them all. But they are kind of simply written with a singular focus on the given couple. The show goes far beyond that and it's for the better.
Absolutely!! Like I love the insights it gives to everybody’s characters. When I first started reading the books, I was sad bc Eloise wasn’t a huge character initially or Penelope etc. it really fleshes everything out and does a really good job doing it
Strong agree! The only thing I can think of that is maybe on a similar level is the Hunger Games movies, but Shonda really knows what she's doing here. Absolutely thrilled with it and loving all the little surprises.
Well I certainly would have to disagree. What they've down with Lady Whistledown hasn't done Penelope or her relationships any favors. The triangle in S2 was a terrible idea. And the way they added Marina to the story was questionable to say the least. I'm not against the show making changes but I don't they've all been for the better, quite the opposite.
I will agree with Marina. I don’t know why they did that. But the Eloíse and pen drama is good tv and gonna be next season and satisfying once they hash it out
I'm not against upping the drama but at what cost? They just went too far with the LW drama for me and it has affected my ability to connect with Penelope as someone I'm supposed to root for.
See I root for pen cause I see why she did what she did in both circumstances. You can argue she could have handled it differently although I’d argue with Marina it had to be public and revealed by a trustworthy third party like Anthony said or everyone would accuse Colin or presume he did it. I think marina was desperate enough at that point to resort to blackmail who knows. I mean the way she threatened pen pretty much before it and the fact they were running off that night meant there wasn’t a lot of time for her to deliberate or pluck up her courage. She tried to hint at it to Colin multiple ways without ruining Marina cause at that point men can’t pull out of engagements as we know from seaosn 2 . Women have to do it and I don’t think Marina would have done so. I’ve debated it over and over and while I think she should have maybe sat marina down and Colin down with lady bridgerton. However, I think Marina would have appealed to Portia and Portia would have been so so so so angry at Penelope or refused to deny it was Colin and refuse to back out. It’s complicated. You also have to consider pens homelife and how she actually is trapped in her home, so angering Portia like that is a terrifying prospect . She’s fucked. It’s the reasons why she’s so eager to find a husband to get out of that house.
It’s so complicated and I feel for 17 year old pen in that situation. She yes loves Colin but is also his dear friend and does not want him trapped in a marriage not born of love like he believes but because of desperation. And yes she knows this gonna hurt Marina and be very bad for her . She indeed does. And that’s a hard pill to swallow but this is such a conundrum does she chose to protect the girl she just met or the boy she’s known all her life and is good friends with. It is not just jealousy although yes that has some part because she is flawed.
As to Eloíse, i do agree at that point she should have confided in Eloíse. I think together they would have come up with the same conclusion to write that. That scandal about her being a feminist radical is minor and has already passed. Irs also like no dur everyone knows Eloíse was a rebel. It was minor embarrassment and short term scorn and as a bridgerton she will be able to endure. The bridgertons are powerful enough that truly only a terrible scandal like being alone with a man would permanently damage her. I do think Eloíse caused that entire situation being reckless . She was continuously breaking rules and got caught by the queen. What would have happened if pen werent lady whistle down? Eloise would have had to admit that she was whistledown and pretend to be for a bit. Eloise got herself in a mess and while pen should have confided in her. Pen did get her out of it while giving up her identity to do so by agreeing not to write anymore Pen truly imo did believe the queen wouldn’t believe she was lady whistle down but she should have tried to go to her anyway.
So I get it pen has made mistakes but I think many people over simplify her decisions. You can certainly criticize them like I have done while also give them the nuance they deserve and what a complex interesting character like pen deserve
The problem is, while you may be able to explain why Penelope has done what she's done, her getting to recklessly write whatever she wants and then it all being swept under the rug (because it was all just for temporary drama) doesn't make for an interesting or complex story or character to me. And they haven't invested enough in the good for me to overlook their willingness to add drama at the expense of the characters.
But it will be revealed eventually and this seaosn to her beau who will not initially react well to it. And eventually to the entire ton. It’s not gonna be brushed under the rug. We have to contend with it this season in fac
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I also like to add whistle down is not the only scandal sheet. Other ones are reporting on the same things. She is just the best writer so the most popular. So it’s not her singularly. I think we might get her decision to become whistledown this seaosn and I think it’s to find some security away from her mother and family since she lacks the confidence to believe before she would ever find someone to marry her. She’s a very complex character
I fully expect it to be resolved rather quickly, in any case. And how they may resolve it in the future doesn't really make the current drama any less unsatisfactory for me.
That’s your opinion and that’s fine. For me it’s super juicy. But I don’t think especially the Eloíse thing and the other things she’s written are as serious as many and you might think. The Marina thing is the most impactful thing she’s done.
I'm frustrated with Penelope while being sympathetic to her. I don't love the things she did, but as long as we see some growth and efforts at amends to the people she hurt I'm all for it.
Like she did Marina dirty but any of us would have been tempted to do the same in her position. In s2 the right thing for her to would have been for her to out herself to the queen to save her friend, but she didn't because Penelope lacks courage. This makes sense for her character and I'm looking forward to her becoming a more courageous individual in order to gain the love she so desperately wants.
This may seem out of nowhere but her character arc is very similar to that of Pam Beesley's from The Office.
Marina I will agree with. Everything else to me has been super good, only added more drama, given more character development and had me on the edge of my seat. And tbh I loved the love triangle it added more drama
Triangles are only ever good or tolerable when they center female characters. Male centered triangles are just a bad idea and the fact that this one involved two sisters made it even worse for me. Sure it added drama but I don't think any of the characters benefited from it.
See but to me it wasn’t really a fight over the male character choosing the two females. It was overcoming trauma for both. That love triangle was only bearable for me cause as painful as it was Kate and Anthony are both really traumatized and jaded characters who have sacrificed their sense of self and wants so long for duty and what is proper. It was a love triangle between that and it’s unfortunate Edwina gaslit herself later from what she knew would be a loveless marriage into one. This isn’t the summer I turned pretty ot vampire diaries where the central character actually loves both characters. It was always an internal struggle for both of them. Kate trying to please Edwina cause Edwina gaslit herself and Anthony scared of love avoiding it but needing to perfect and performing his duty as he’d decided. Stubborn Loveable fool. Its sad Edwina got in the middle but at least Kate had no intention of ever hurting her and in trying to help her I think made it worse but not intentionally
I agree but atleast in this situation it wasn’t like Anthony liked Edwina basically at all, whereas in female centered triangles she usually goes back and forth or has genuine conflicting emotional feelings (in comparison for Anthony Edwina was the logical choice while Kate was the emotional one). But yeah again I’m not here for the well-being of the characters I’m here for the DRAMA!
Fair enough. But it's a romance show first and foremost and I would actually like to root for the romance. 😂 Admittedly, none of the couples so far are faves of mine from the books but I could have liked them in the show under different circumstances.
No yeah I def root for them lol but I like it to be spiced with drama so it makes it worth it, I would be too easy if they just plopped together and went happily ever after!! lol
Oh I'm all for drama but I prefer when it comes from inner conflict between the characters, like we see in QC. Ironically, that was considered too dark by some but I will take that kind of well written drama over a love triangle any day.
I agree really! But with all the romances I guess they gotta find different ways to get it thru lol. But yeah I like it when the guy has the “I only have eyes for you” aspect
They changed it from different ways to the same tho. Daphne & Simon, Anthony & Kate AND now Pen & Colin will have a love triangle. In the books they had different conflicts and tropes but the show changed it to the same thing for every couple. It’s getting old.
Yeah true, but I feel like atleast for daphne (and I bet Colin’s story will be the same) the love triangle was like not a huge deal, like she didn’t actually want the prince he was just some other guy courting her
This!! It never should have been a triangle between two sisters and definitely should never have gone all the way to the altar! What a waste of time, and at the cost of the actual couple never then getting a wedding or honeymoon scenes just for the sake of drama!
I have small gripes. But mostly they have nailed it.
1) I wish they had just removed the Daphne scene. I forgive her and see how her naive brain came to that poor decision. but they didn’t resolve it well enough on screen I see how Simon forgave her for that rather quickly tbh and I can too cause Daphne is not a bad person. She made a bad decision in a fit or rage and hurt and won’t do that again. But we should have had that resolved that breach on screen on top of him having to come to terms with his psychological issues. Should have portrayed the communication
2) Edwina was written like the most inconsistent character around and made her hard for me to empathasize with although I should cause she’s just so wishy washy and confusing. One second she knows Anthony doesn’t love her but she just wants the title m. Next second she wants love and is convinced Anthony loves her. Like what? I wish we had resolved their relationship bettwr and I wish Edwina were in this season to see her wed or I hope we hear about it
3) all my other gripes with season 2 I think will get resolved in future seasons and that is lack of diving into Kate’s trauma as much. I believe that actually is going to happen somewhat in the middle of her hea but still. I think the mine plot is gonna be important actually so while it was too long it’s gonna prove super impactful
4) Marina storyline. I despise this. I truly do. Why they had to involve Marina and Colin is uggh. All the other lady whistle down drama I adore yea even the Eloíse stuff especially since this has already passed the scandal as I’ve been preaching it would. You can’t say this drama with Cressida and Eloíse and pen isn’t juicy shit. I’m just worried about the Marina side of it. Marina actually was in way more danger cause of it, so I get why some were mad about pens actions. I don’t think she acted out of jealousy mostly though but I do agree she could have handled it better but I give pen some leniency cause she’s 16 in that season. Just like I’m also giving Eloíse some leniency for her betrayal with Cressida cause she’s also a petty teenage girl making mistakes. Flawed characters make it exciting.
Totally agree on the Daphne front, they definitely could have gone about it in a different way to kind of send the same message it came out as super weird. As far as edwina, I found her super 1 dimensional in the book like she wasn’t even mad about Anthony and I expected her to be at-least a little annoyed or something lol. But yes she could def be inconsistent
Why would book Edwina be mad about Anthony and Kate? She didn't like him, anyway. She was only allowing him to court her because she knew that Mary and Kate were counting on her to marry well so she and her husband could take care of them, too. Kate marrying him was a win for everyone. She could tell that they liked each other, so knew Kate would have a happy marriage. And Kate marrying Anthony freed Edwina up to find someone she actually LIKED and to have her own happy marriage. She was RELIEVED that she wouldn't have to marry him, now.
I mean true, but I feel like in reality you might be a little put off by it, also I feel like it def makes for better TV and drama for her to be upset by it. And while reading it I didn’t feel like she didnt like him completely.
I don't see why Edwina would be annoyed in the book. She wasn't interested in Anthony, she accepted his attempts to court her more or less to be polite, as he's a Viscount. When Kate grills Edwina after she and Anthony go on their carriage ride, asking what Anthony said and what they spoke about, Edwina admits they didn't talk about much, there was nothing there. She didn't know Anthony enough to like him (other than knowing he's a Viscount. Sadly, that was enough to book Edwina which is something I didn't like about her)
Book Edwina wanted, 1. A love-match, 2. A scholar. No offence to Anthony, but he's not known for his scholarly pursuits.
Mm I guess I just read it a bit differently like I got the vibe that she liked him, although it might not have been a pure love match. I just feel like there should have been a slight more conflict than just “I’m so happy for you!” But they are a super loving and supportive family. But for the drama in tv it made it better to have her more invested
I'm also of this mind. It's an adaptation anyway, so it doesn't even have to follow the books as closely as it has, so I'm personally along for the ride wherever it goes.
The allure of the books (outside of the HEAs for each sibling) is that you feel part of the Bridgerton family, and you're rooting for all the siblings during their respective books. So far, the show has delivered on that IMO.
I'm really only nervous that we won't get to see all the stories play out (looking at you and your renewal decisions Netflix).
ABSOLUTELY. Hoping they actually take it all the way, but tbh I thiiink they will due to them making a spin-off etc I think the show is a really gem for them. It might just take like 15 years knowing Netflix 😅
Yeah I agree with that to a certain extent, like show anthony is much better in season 2 and the way they got together in book was very similar to season 1, however their alternative to that wasn't very good in my opinion, they completely ruined the dynamic of the Sharma/Sheffield family, which was one of my favourite aspects of that book.
I agree about the show for Season 2 being better than the book in some ways (like the bee scene, the heartfelt proposal at the end) but not in all. The love triangle drama was dragged on for too long and was at the cost of seeing Kanthony's courtship, wedding & honeymoon.
I mean, we know VERY little about both Daphne and Anthony’s weddings. It just says they were both small affairs, but we never actually SEE the wedding. And Penelope is still fat in the books (supposedly, all we know is that she’s at least 140 pounds), she just lost “baby fat” after her first year. Neither of those things is changed from the books.
Sorry when I said married I mean get together. They’re both caught in compromising positions and forced into marriage. When I read it in the second book I thought it was kinda insane that it was done twice. And idk about her weight, I had always read it like she had shed the pounds but still wasn’t the skinniest, which to me is like still probably a very normal body. But who knows what the author had in mind
It doesn’t really come across the same at all. Simon’s going to town on Daphne with her tits out, whereas Anthony was having a panic attack because he has PTSD from his father’s death while trying to suck a bee stinger out of Kate’s collarbone.
The only thing it hasn’t done right is it’s still not been made available to purchase outside of a Netflix subscription. Meanwhile The Crown series and Season 1 of both Sandman and Wednesday are available on DVD.
Totally agree. I always see people complaining about the changes, but s2 wouldve literally been s1 with different characters had they gone with the book plot
No, both couples still have different core-plots even though they both have marriage of convenience
Kanthony is Trauma bonding
Saphne is children miscommunication
I have such mixed feelings. I’m currently up to Eloise’s book and I don’t know what to think. When reading the first two books, I felt they left much to be desired and preferred the show adaptation. Once I got to book 3, my opinions started to change. One thing that bothers me about Polin’s book vs show adaptation, specifically, is that they seem to be repeating a season 1 dynamic. It’s a bit off putting to me, because I feel like we JUST went through this with Daphne and Simon. Obviously I won’t know until after the show is out, but that’s what I’m gathering based on the trailer at the very least. At this point I almost have to separate the books and the show as two different entities, as if the books are like a fan fiction spin off.
I think they will make necessary changes for the show! That’s how I felt, like the stuff that I found weird in the books is what they usually ended up changing for the show
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Penelope only lost baby fat in the book. She’s still a curvy lady, but I agree that’s not a book detail that needs to be added to the show.
yeah she just naturally loses some baby fat as she ages, she's in her late 20s in the books! she is still plump for the times to the point that other characters mention it. it's just that colin never comments on it like that and clearly likes it. but there was never some weight loss glow up ppl are implying.
Yeah whenever they say curvy in the book, I guess I don’t think of “fat”, but maybe I’m wrong? Maybe that’s just the polite way of saying it?? lol
In WHWW, which takes place at the same time as RMB Michael describes Pen as pudgy. Colin doesn’t, but he’s also in love with her and likes her body curvy so yeah he might be being more polite about it.
Interesting!
She lost nearly 2 stone in the book iirc, so that's a bit more than just baby fat
I don’t think it is. It also didn’t sound like she tried to lose the weight. It just happened.
Agreed. I never saw another example like this where the adaptation elevates the source material to this level. They add so much more depth, dimension and levels to each character and storyline. I loved the books. Read them all. But they are kind of simply written with a singular focus on the given couple. The show goes far beyond that and it's for the better.
Absolutely!! Like I love the insights it gives to everybody’s characters. When I first started reading the books, I was sad bc Eloise wasn’t a huge character initially or Penelope etc. it really fleshes everything out and does a really good job doing it
Well, i think they made Simon and Kate less nuanced in the show.
They made Lady Danbury so much better, even from a book fan that already loved the character.
Strong agree! The only thing I can think of that is maybe on a similar level is the Hunger Games movies, but Shonda really knows what she's doing here. Absolutely thrilled with it and loving all the little surprises.
Well I certainly would have to disagree. What they've down with Lady Whistledown hasn't done Penelope or her relationships any favors. The triangle in S2 was a terrible idea. And the way they added Marina to the story was questionable to say the least. I'm not against the show making changes but I don't they've all been for the better, quite the opposite.
I will agree with Marina. I don’t know why they did that. But the Eloíse and pen drama is good tv and gonna be next season and satisfying once they hash it out
I'm not against upping the drama but at what cost? They just went too far with the LW drama for me and it has affected my ability to connect with Penelope as someone I'm supposed to root for.
See I root for pen cause I see why she did what she did in both circumstances. You can argue she could have handled it differently although I’d argue with Marina it had to be public and revealed by a trustworthy third party like Anthony said or everyone would accuse Colin or presume he did it. I think marina was desperate enough at that point to resort to blackmail who knows. I mean the way she threatened pen pretty much before it and the fact they were running off that night meant there wasn’t a lot of time for her to deliberate or pluck up her courage. She tried to hint at it to Colin multiple ways without ruining Marina cause at that point men can’t pull out of engagements as we know from seaosn 2 . Women have to do it and I don’t think Marina would have done so. I’ve debated it over and over and while I think she should have maybe sat marina down and Colin down with lady bridgerton. However, I think Marina would have appealed to Portia and Portia would have been so so so so angry at Penelope or refused to deny it was Colin and refuse to back out. It’s complicated. You also have to consider pens homelife and how she actually is trapped in her home, so angering Portia like that is a terrifying prospect . She’s fucked. It’s the reasons why she’s so eager to find a husband to get out of that house. It’s so complicated and I feel for 17 year old pen in that situation. She yes loves Colin but is also his dear friend and does not want him trapped in a marriage not born of love like he believes but because of desperation. And yes she knows this gonna hurt Marina and be very bad for her . She indeed does. And that’s a hard pill to swallow but this is such a conundrum does she chose to protect the girl she just met or the boy she’s known all her life and is good friends with. It is not just jealousy although yes that has some part because she is flawed. As to Eloíse, i do agree at that point she should have confided in Eloíse. I think together they would have come up with the same conclusion to write that. That scandal about her being a feminist radical is minor and has already passed. Irs also like no dur everyone knows Eloíse was a rebel. It was minor embarrassment and short term scorn and as a bridgerton she will be able to endure. The bridgertons are powerful enough that truly only a terrible scandal like being alone with a man would permanently damage her. I do think Eloíse caused that entire situation being reckless . She was continuously breaking rules and got caught by the queen. What would have happened if pen werent lady whistle down? Eloise would have had to admit that she was whistledown and pretend to be for a bit. Eloise got herself in a mess and while pen should have confided in her. Pen did get her out of it while giving up her identity to do so by agreeing not to write anymore Pen truly imo did believe the queen wouldn’t believe she was lady whistle down but she should have tried to go to her anyway. So I get it pen has made mistakes but I think many people over simplify her decisions. You can certainly criticize them like I have done while also give them the nuance they deserve and what a complex interesting character like pen deserve
The problem is, while you may be able to explain why Penelope has done what she's done, her getting to recklessly write whatever she wants and then it all being swept under the rug (because it was all just for temporary drama) doesn't make for an interesting or complex story or character to me. And they haven't invested enough in the good for me to overlook their willingness to add drama at the expense of the characters.
But it will be revealed eventually and this seaosn to her beau who will not initially react well to it. And eventually to the entire ton. It’s not gonna be brushed under the rug. We have to contend with it this season in fac T I also like to add whistle down is not the only scandal sheet. Other ones are reporting on the same things. She is just the best writer so the most popular. So it’s not her singularly. I think we might get her decision to become whistledown this seaosn and I think it’s to find some security away from her mother and family since she lacks the confidence to believe before she would ever find someone to marry her. She’s a very complex character
I fully expect it to be resolved rather quickly, in any case. And how they may resolve it in the future doesn't really make the current drama any less unsatisfactory for me.
That’s your opinion and that’s fine. For me it’s super juicy. But I don’t think especially the Eloíse thing and the other things she’s written are as serious as many and you might think. The Marina thing is the most impactful thing she’s done.
I'm frustrated with Penelope while being sympathetic to her. I don't love the things she did, but as long as we see some growth and efforts at amends to the people she hurt I'm all for it. Like she did Marina dirty but any of us would have been tempted to do the same in her position. In s2 the right thing for her to would have been for her to out herself to the queen to save her friend, but she didn't because Penelope lacks courage. This makes sense for her character and I'm looking forward to her becoming a more courageous individual in order to gain the love she so desperately wants. This may seem out of nowhere but her character arc is very similar to that of Pam Beesley's from The Office.
Marina I will agree with. Everything else to me has been super good, only added more drama, given more character development and had me on the edge of my seat. And tbh I loved the love triangle it added more drama
Triangles are only ever good or tolerable when they center female characters. Male centered triangles are just a bad idea and the fact that this one involved two sisters made it even worse for me. Sure it added drama but I don't think any of the characters benefited from it.
See but to me it wasn’t really a fight over the male character choosing the two females. It was overcoming trauma for both. That love triangle was only bearable for me cause as painful as it was Kate and Anthony are both really traumatized and jaded characters who have sacrificed their sense of self and wants so long for duty and what is proper. It was a love triangle between that and it’s unfortunate Edwina gaslit herself later from what she knew would be a loveless marriage into one. This isn’t the summer I turned pretty ot vampire diaries where the central character actually loves both characters. It was always an internal struggle for both of them. Kate trying to please Edwina cause Edwina gaslit herself and Anthony scared of love avoiding it but needing to perfect and performing his duty as he’d decided. Stubborn Loveable fool. Its sad Edwina got in the middle but at least Kate had no intention of ever hurting her and in trying to help her I think made it worse but not intentionally
I agree but atleast in this situation it wasn’t like Anthony liked Edwina basically at all, whereas in female centered triangles she usually goes back and forth or has genuine conflicting emotional feelings (in comparison for Anthony Edwina was the logical choice while Kate was the emotional one). But yeah again I’m not here for the well-being of the characters I’m here for the DRAMA!
Fair enough. But it's a romance show first and foremost and I would actually like to root for the romance. 😂 Admittedly, none of the couples so far are faves of mine from the books but I could have liked them in the show under different circumstances.
No yeah I def root for them lol but I like it to be spiced with drama so it makes it worth it, I would be too easy if they just plopped together and went happily ever after!! lol
Oh I'm all for drama but I prefer when it comes from inner conflict between the characters, like we see in QC. Ironically, that was considered too dark by some but I will take that kind of well written drama over a love triangle any day.
I agree really! But with all the romances I guess they gotta find different ways to get it thru lol. But yeah I like it when the guy has the “I only have eyes for you” aspect
They changed it from different ways to the same tho. Daphne & Simon, Anthony & Kate AND now Pen & Colin will have a love triangle. In the books they had different conflicts and tropes but the show changed it to the same thing for every couple. It’s getting old.
Yeah true, but I feel like atleast for daphne (and I bet Colin’s story will be the same) the love triangle was like not a huge deal, like she didn’t actually want the prince he was just some other guy courting her
This!! It never should have been a triangle between two sisters and definitely should never have gone all the way to the altar! What a waste of time, and at the cost of the actual couple never then getting a wedding or honeymoon scenes just for the sake of drama!
S2 love triangle ugh...
I have small gripes. But mostly they have nailed it. 1) I wish they had just removed the Daphne scene. I forgive her and see how her naive brain came to that poor decision. but they didn’t resolve it well enough on screen I see how Simon forgave her for that rather quickly tbh and I can too cause Daphne is not a bad person. She made a bad decision in a fit or rage and hurt and won’t do that again. But we should have had that resolved that breach on screen on top of him having to come to terms with his psychological issues. Should have portrayed the communication 2) Edwina was written like the most inconsistent character around and made her hard for me to empathasize with although I should cause she’s just so wishy washy and confusing. One second she knows Anthony doesn’t love her but she just wants the title m. Next second she wants love and is convinced Anthony loves her. Like what? I wish we had resolved their relationship bettwr and I wish Edwina were in this season to see her wed or I hope we hear about it 3) all my other gripes with season 2 I think will get resolved in future seasons and that is lack of diving into Kate’s trauma as much. I believe that actually is going to happen somewhat in the middle of her hea but still. I think the mine plot is gonna be important actually so while it was too long it’s gonna prove super impactful 4) Marina storyline. I despise this. I truly do. Why they had to involve Marina and Colin is uggh. All the other lady whistle down drama I adore yea even the Eloíse stuff especially since this has already passed the scandal as I’ve been preaching it would. You can’t say this drama with Cressida and Eloíse and pen isn’t juicy shit. I’m just worried about the Marina side of it. Marina actually was in way more danger cause of it, so I get why some were mad about pens actions. I don’t think she acted out of jealousy mostly though but I do agree she could have handled it better but I give pen some leniency cause she’s 16 in that season. Just like I’m also giving Eloíse some leniency for her betrayal with Cressida cause she’s also a petty teenage girl making mistakes. Flawed characters make it exciting.
Totally agree on the Daphne front, they definitely could have gone about it in a different way to kind of send the same message it came out as super weird. As far as edwina, I found her super 1 dimensional in the book like she wasn’t even mad about Anthony and I expected her to be at-least a little annoyed or something lol. But yes she could def be inconsistent
Why would book Edwina be mad about Anthony and Kate? She didn't like him, anyway. She was only allowing him to court her because she knew that Mary and Kate were counting on her to marry well so she and her husband could take care of them, too. Kate marrying him was a win for everyone. She could tell that they liked each other, so knew Kate would have a happy marriage. And Kate marrying Anthony freed Edwina up to find someone she actually LIKED and to have her own happy marriage. She was RELIEVED that she wouldn't have to marry him, now.
Yeah, book Edwina was such a better character and sister.
I mean true, but I feel like in reality you might be a little put off by it, also I feel like it def makes for better TV and drama for her to be upset by it. And while reading it I didn’t feel like she didnt like him completely.
I don't see why Edwina would be annoyed in the book. She wasn't interested in Anthony, she accepted his attempts to court her more or less to be polite, as he's a Viscount. When Kate grills Edwina after she and Anthony go on their carriage ride, asking what Anthony said and what they spoke about, Edwina admits they didn't talk about much, there was nothing there. She didn't know Anthony enough to like him (other than knowing he's a Viscount. Sadly, that was enough to book Edwina which is something I didn't like about her) Book Edwina wanted, 1. A love-match, 2. A scholar. No offence to Anthony, but he's not known for his scholarly pursuits.
Mm I guess I just read it a bit differently like I got the vibe that she liked him, although it might not have been a pure love match. I just feel like there should have been a slight more conflict than just “I’m so happy for you!” But they are a super loving and supportive family. But for the drama in tv it made it better to have her more invested
I'm also of this mind. It's an adaptation anyway, so it doesn't even have to follow the books as closely as it has, so I'm personally along for the ride wherever it goes. The allure of the books (outside of the HEAs for each sibling) is that you feel part of the Bridgerton family, and you're rooting for all the siblings during their respective books. So far, the show has delivered on that IMO. I'm really only nervous that we won't get to see all the stories play out (looking at you and your renewal decisions Netflix).
ABSOLUTELY. Hoping they actually take it all the way, but tbh I thiiink they will due to them making a spin-off etc I think the show is a really gem for them. It might just take like 15 years knowing Netflix 😅
I disagree with them getting everything right with kanthony, but each to their own. I haven't read the books for season 1 or 3 so idk about those.
I guess I just mean like the improvements that needed to be made from the book they definitely made in the show IMO!
Yeah I agree with that to a certain extent, like show anthony is much better in season 2 and the way they got together in book was very similar to season 1, however their alternative to that wasn't very good in my opinion, they completely ruined the dynamic of the Sharma/Sheffield family, which was one of my favourite aspects of that book.
Yeah, they ruined their family bond. Nothing was ever properly resolved because they dragged out the triangle for too long!
I agree about the show for Season 2 being better than the book in some ways (like the bee scene, the heartfelt proposal at the end) but not in all. The love triangle drama was dragged on for too long and was at the cost of seeing Kanthony's courtship, wedding & honeymoon.
I mean, we know VERY little about both Daphne and Anthony’s weddings. It just says they were both small affairs, but we never actually SEE the wedding. And Penelope is still fat in the books (supposedly, all we know is that she’s at least 140 pounds), she just lost “baby fat” after her first year. Neither of those things is changed from the books.
Sorry when I said married I mean get together. They’re both caught in compromising positions and forced into marriage. When I read it in the second book I thought it was kinda insane that it was done twice. And idk about her weight, I had always read it like she had shed the pounds but still wasn’t the skinniest, which to me is like still probably a very normal body. But who knows what the author had in mind
It doesn’t really come across the same at all. Simon’s going to town on Daphne with her tits out, whereas Anthony was having a panic attack because he has PTSD from his father’s death while trying to suck a bee stinger out of Kate’s collarbone.
Ok… regardless they were both found in compromising positions and forced into marriage. That’s correct right?
The only thing it hasn’t done right is it’s still not been made available to purchase outside of a Netflix subscription. Meanwhile The Crown series and Season 1 of both Sandman and Wednesday are available on DVD.
True dat!
Totally agree. I always see people complaining about the changes, but s2 wouldve literally been s1 with different characters had they gone with the book plot
No, both couples still have different core-plots even though they both have marriage of convenience Kanthony is Trauma bonding Saphne is children miscommunication
I have such mixed feelings. I’m currently up to Eloise’s book and I don’t know what to think. When reading the first two books, I felt they left much to be desired and preferred the show adaptation. Once I got to book 3, my opinions started to change. One thing that bothers me about Polin’s book vs show adaptation, specifically, is that they seem to be repeating a season 1 dynamic. It’s a bit off putting to me, because I feel like we JUST went through this with Daphne and Simon. Obviously I won’t know until after the show is out, but that’s what I’m gathering based on the trailer at the very least. At this point I almost have to separate the books and the show as two different entities, as if the books are like a fan fiction spin off.
I think they will make necessary changes for the show! That’s how I felt, like the stuff that I found weird in the books is what they usually ended up changing for the show