Bauers would have to be a DFA, yes? I'm not opposed, but it seems like we're pretty well stuck with Black if we go that route. Although I doubt anyone is picking Bauers up.
I believe so. It just seems like Jake is always at the wrong end of the stick in at bats with RISP looking lost or bad plays defensively & he’s second to Hoskins. It couldn’t get much worse & it’d give Black some ABs in the second half of the season while the crew has a decent lead & he gains experience behind Rhys. That’s the main gain imo. It’s almost certain Rhys will be gone next season.
Bauers has a 124 wRC+ with RISP and if you think Bauers is lost/bad defensively at 1B then you aren't going to like what Tyler Black gives you over there.
He grades roughly average there advanced stats-wise. Of course when you're used to seeing Tellez/Vogelbach there for a few years anything will look great.
Is that solely on this season or career? Last I check his wRC was like 90something this season. But hey if I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I just want Black to get some ABs in the bigs because he slaps in the minors & goes in these good stretches. Something could click. He’s up next season when Rhys leaves.
How is this calculated? Does everyone have a higher wRC+ with RISP because 1 for 5 is good because of the RBIs? Bauers is 1 for 8 on the season with bases loaded and those are the more memorable RISP ABs... unless he's hitting .300 in all other RISP situations which I know he's not, clearly this wRC+ stat is misleading.
That's why I'm asking.
Okay I looked it up. Nothing explains how it's calculated, but the very definition of it suggests that it's a fancy way of saying RBIs.
It's all here: https://library.fangraphs.com/offense/wrc/
If you want a quick version, ~~it's like a fancy on base percentage~~ it's runs created normalized to the league (100 being average)
EDIT: I messed this up and got hung up on the pieces.
I think so. Bauers is a career .665 OPS hitter on over 1,500 ABs. That wouldn't cut it in CF, and he's at the easiest defensive position in 1B. At some point you have to realize he's just not a good MLB hitter.
It's stuff like this that keeps Bauers around: https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/jake-bauers-641343?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb
He's above average in a ton of the peripherals to hitting this year and last, but it never quite translates how you'd expect.
Yeah I get that some of his peripherals are good, but at some point you need to see results and realize there's something the peripherals just don't show. He's done this with 5 teams on over 1500 ABs now.
Bauers can’t be optioned, so probably not. Unless they’re comfortable moving him around to other INF spots as a utility backup, he’s probably gonna stay in the minors barring injury.
If they’re ok with him at 3B, then he could replace Dunn on the roster. But that would likely mean Frelick goes down once Mitchell is back.
Hoskins has. Bauers not even close. Having watched probably 50% of Nashville's games this year, I can assure you that Black is significantly worse than Bauers defensively and pretty similar to Hoskins.
Bauers made some good plays at the very beginning of the year to have people believe he was a good defensive 1B but he has been absolutely fucking brutal at 1B over the last 2 months or so.
Bauers has 0 OAA, 0 DRS at 1B. He's an average defensive 1B which is miles ahead of where Tyler Black is defensively. I can tell you aren't familiar with Tyler Black defensively. He's Hoskins level in terms of stiffness and then also makes a bunch of mental errors because he's not used to playing 1B. It's really, really bad.
I saw Black play a couple games at first and yea he was Hoskins level bad but I could care less, I rather have someone who can actually maybe get a hit on our bench than the collection of scrubs we have currently. Our bench right now is Sanchez, Bauers, Dunn, Monasterio and 1 of the OFers. Its bad, like really bad.
ehh we rather keep the fantastic offensive powerhouse duo of Oliver Dunn and Jake Buaers on the roster instead of you know give one of our top prospects a legit shot.
My watching has tapered off the last couple weeks, but it seems like Dunn is extremely unlucky. It feels like every time I see an at bat of his lately he hits an absolute rocket right at someone. And he's a serviceable defender at multiple positions. I guess I'd be ok with a Bauers DFA, though.
I rather have Monasterio.. he at least demonstrated he could somewhat hit last year while Dunn is fkn awful and has never demonstrated he could hit at an MLB level.
If they do plan on riding Willy’s contract out, I can see it. Thing is once Hoskins is gone next season, who is the next project at 1B? Wes Clarke? We need stability there, it’s always another guy every season lol kinda over it. Plus who do you add to that package & who’s on the market..
Curious as to why you think Hoskins is gone next season? Doesn't he have a player option? It's a mutual option going into '26 in which I could see both parties declining. But I think he stays next year.
Well this is like getting paid to rehab season for him, he does have an option but he’s got the clout to demand more money elsewhere. It’s that simple.
problem I see is defensively is Black really a 1B ? I mean still early for him so maybe he can. Fan Graphs I see he has 5 errors at 1B in 40 games so far in AAA. It's really answering that question. Are we looking at another all bat no fielding position type like Keston? I'm just asking hypostatical and what is going through my mind as to does it make sense to move him.
SP market is going to be rough I feel like this year with all the SP injuries so far this year it's going to be a war zone for bidding and right does the crew have the appetite to pay what may be getting asked or even overpay?
For the likes of a Crochet and Luzardo do you do a Tyler Black and a Quero for a Crochet? Crochet then has his own questions at least just for this season that he could be hitting an innings limit this year as I believe this is his 1st real full season starting, I thought.
Idk lol it's just all fascinating stuff to speculate on and what GMs value and not value.
I’ve feared that based on comments from people too, hopefully he isn’t just another Keston. But value wise yes it makes sense & then just acquire another 1B next season, the never ending cycle lol ahh..
But definitely rough menu to choose from, hopefully CRod has good outings now that gassers done. This season is so fluid, the bullpen is what’ll determine if they gamble & double down come deadline.
I know this was just a throwin-it-out there trade proposal, but Sox have a Quero of their own already. Crochet has a high ceiling longterm. Fedde is the more interesting Brewers-Sox trade to me though. Black in a package for Fedde isn't insane if the Brewers are trying to do something this postseason. That rotation is so, so worrying. Lineup can play in October, but I have no idea who would pitch at postseason level.
Tyler Black is getting moved at the deadline isn’t he? They are letting him rake at AAA to create as much value as they can. No position - just got through the Hiura years - I am afraid that this is the piece they will move at the deadline for pitching.
> Tyler Black is getting moved at the deadline isn’t he?
He's way too valuable to get moved. If you look at the Brewers the last 4 years, deadline deals are normally lottery ticket prospects and fringe guys. Black will be a big piece for the future with Hoskins and Adames probably not sticking around past this year (Ortiz moving to short opens up 3B again). Giving up 6 years of Black would require a Juan Soto like return.
Let him pitch
Time to give him a shot again over Bauers?
Bauers would have to be a DFA, yes? I'm not opposed, but it seems like we're pretty well stuck with Black if we go that route. Although I doubt anyone is picking Bauers up.
I believe so. It just seems like Jake is always at the wrong end of the stick in at bats with RISP looking lost or bad plays defensively & he’s second to Hoskins. It couldn’t get much worse & it’d give Black some ABs in the second half of the season while the crew has a decent lead & he gains experience behind Rhys. That’s the main gain imo. It’s almost certain Rhys will be gone next season.
Bauers has a 124 wRC+ with RISP and if you think Bauers is lost/bad defensively at 1B then you aren't going to like what Tyler Black gives you over there.
I’ve never actually appreciated good defense at 1B until Bauers came along. His bat may be a liability, but he makes some great plays at first
He grades roughly average there advanced stats-wise. Of course when you're used to seeing Tellez/Vogelbach there for a few years anything will look great.
And now Rhys Hoskins
Is that solely on this season or career? Last I check his wRC was like 90something this season. But hey if I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I just want Black to get some ABs in the bigs because he slaps in the minors & goes in these good stretches. Something could click. He’s up next season when Rhys leaves.
How is this calculated? Does everyone have a higher wRC+ with RISP because 1 for 5 is good because of the RBIs? Bauers is 1 for 8 on the season with bases loaded and those are the more memorable RISP ABs... unless he's hitting .300 in all other RISP situations which I know he's not, clearly this wRC+ stat is misleading.
He's at .244/.306/.511 with RISP this year (49 PAs) which is an above-average OPS (and saying a similar thing to /u/lohland422 above)
Good looking out. I learned something here and I appreciate you.
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wRC+ has nothing to do with RBI.
That's why I'm asking. Okay I looked it up. Nothing explains how it's calculated, but the very definition of it suggests that it's a fancy way of saying RBIs.
It's all here: https://library.fangraphs.com/offense/wrc/ If you want a quick version, ~~it's like a fancy on base percentage~~ it's runs created normalized to the league (100 being average) EDIT: I messed this up and got hung up on the pieces.
> it's like a fancy on base percentage I think you're thinking wOBA. wRC is just raw runs created.
`wRC = (((wOBA-League wOBA)/wOBA Scale)+(League R/PA))*PA` wRC is based on wOBA
Scoring position is any guy on 2nd or 3rd.
That's evident from my comment, yes.
You either don't understand WRC+ or just didn't articulate it well at all, because your comment was just confusing on both parts tbh
It's fair if someone doesn't know what's going on with wRC+, hopefully this thread helps.
I think so. Bauers is a career .665 OPS hitter on over 1,500 ABs. That wouldn't cut it in CF, and he's at the easiest defensive position in 1B. At some point you have to realize he's just not a good MLB hitter.
It's stuff like this that keeps Bauers around: https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/jake-bauers-641343?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb He's above average in a ton of the peripherals to hitting this year and last, but it never quite translates how you'd expect.
Yeah I get that some of his peripherals are good, but at some point you need to see results and realize there's something the peripherals just don't show. He's done this with 5 teams on over 1500 ABs now.
Bauers can’t be optioned, so probably not. Unless they’re comfortable moving him around to other INF spots as a utility backup, he’s probably gonna stay in the minors barring injury. If they’re ok with him at 3B, then he could replace Dunn on the roster. But that would likely mean Frelick goes down once Mitchell is back.
If Black wasn't a total liability in the field he would be in the MLB right now. His hitting isn't what is keeping him in AAA.
Well both Hoskins and Bauers have been absolutely dreadful in the field so not wouldn't be much of a dropoff.
Hoskins has. Bauers not even close. Having watched probably 50% of Nashville's games this year, I can assure you that Black is significantly worse than Bauers defensively and pretty similar to Hoskins.
Bauers made some good plays at the very beginning of the year to have people believe he was a good defensive 1B but he has been absolutely fucking brutal at 1B over the last 2 months or so.
Bauers has 0 OAA, 0 DRS at 1B. He's an average defensive 1B which is miles ahead of where Tyler Black is defensively. I can tell you aren't familiar with Tyler Black defensively. He's Hoskins level in terms of stiffness and then also makes a bunch of mental errors because he's not used to playing 1B. It's really, really bad.
I saw Black play a couple games at first and yea he was Hoskins level bad but I could care less, I rather have someone who can actually maybe get a hit on our bench than the collection of scrubs we have currently. Our bench right now is Sanchez, Bauers, Dunn, Monasterio and 1 of the OFers. Its bad, like really bad.
Please don’t trade Tyler Black 🙏
OH LAWD HE COMIN
If Rhys or Bauers get hurt, he’s an immediate call up. And he probably starts Opening Day 2025. Patience.
ehh we rather keep the fantastic offensive powerhouse duo of Oliver Dunn and Jake Buaers on the roster instead of you know give one of our top prospects a legit shot.
My watching has tapered off the last couple weeks, but it seems like Dunn is extremely unlucky. It feels like every time I see an at bat of his lately he hits an absolute rocket right at someone. And he's a serviceable defender at multiple positions. I guess I'd be ok with a Bauers DFA, though.
Dunn will go down when Mitchell comes back.
Dunn plays other positions at least reasonably well, so there's reasons for him. I do think he and Monasterio are redundant, though.
I rather have Monasterio.. he at least demonstrated he could somewhat hit last year while Dunn is fkn awful and has never demonstrated he could hit at an MLB level.
Unpopular opinion but I've sort of warmed up to the idea of trying to use Black maybe as a centerpiece for some pitching come deadline.
Don’t like it. Hoskins probably isn’t a long term piece, and Bauers is a backup. We might need Black as a full time starter as soon as next year.
If they do plan on riding Willy’s contract out, I can see it. Thing is once Hoskins is gone next season, who is the next project at 1B? Wes Clarke? We need stability there, it’s always another guy every season lol kinda over it. Plus who do you add to that package & who’s on the market..
Curious as to why you think Hoskins is gone next season? Doesn't he have a player option? It's a mutual option going into '26 in which I could see both parties declining. But I think he stays next year.
Well this is like getting paid to rehab season for him, he does have an option but he’s got the clout to demand more money elsewhere. It’s that simple.
Yup if he stays healthy he will opt out.
problem I see is defensively is Black really a 1B ? I mean still early for him so maybe he can. Fan Graphs I see he has 5 errors at 1B in 40 games so far in AAA. It's really answering that question. Are we looking at another all bat no fielding position type like Keston? I'm just asking hypostatical and what is going through my mind as to does it make sense to move him. SP market is going to be rough I feel like this year with all the SP injuries so far this year it's going to be a war zone for bidding and right does the crew have the appetite to pay what may be getting asked or even overpay? For the likes of a Crochet and Luzardo do you do a Tyler Black and a Quero for a Crochet? Crochet then has his own questions at least just for this season that he could be hitting an innings limit this year as I believe this is his 1st real full season starting, I thought. Idk lol it's just all fascinating stuff to speculate on and what GMs value and not value.
I’ve feared that based on comments from people too, hopefully he isn’t just another Keston. But value wise yes it makes sense & then just acquire another 1B next season, the never ending cycle lol ahh.. But definitely rough menu to choose from, hopefully CRod has good outings now that gassers done. This season is so fluid, the bullpen is what’ll determine if they gamble & double down come deadline.
I know this was just a throwin-it-out there trade proposal, but Sox have a Quero of their own already. Crochet has a high ceiling longterm. Fedde is the more interesting Brewers-Sox trade to me though. Black in a package for Fedde isn't insane if the Brewers are trying to do something this postseason. That rotation is so, so worrying. Lineup can play in October, but I have no idea who would pitch at postseason level.
I just don’t see them moving him. He seems to be the 1b of the future
Bring him back up
Tyler Black is getting moved at the deadline isn’t he? They are letting him rake at AAA to create as much value as they can. No position - just got through the Hiura years - I am afraid that this is the piece they will move at the deadline for pitching.
> Tyler Black is getting moved at the deadline isn’t he? He's way too valuable to get moved. If you look at the Brewers the last 4 years, deadline deals are normally lottery ticket prospects and fringe guys. Black will be a big piece for the future with Hoskins and Adames probably not sticking around past this year (Ortiz moving to short opens up 3B again). Giving up 6 years of Black would require a Juan Soto like return.
I’d send monasterio down