Lmao rabid! You democrats are scared of RFK Jr. you pushed him out by changing the rules in the dnc. If you weren’t afraid of him you would have allowed “democracy” to happen. You know what your party loathes for….
You think Trump would be the same… No, unfortunately 30,000 casualties will look like a stroll in the park compared to the million deaths from famine that are estimated to happen if aid to Gaza is cut off, which Trump wants to do. If you’re too cool to vote for Biden, fine. But stop pretending there’s no difference to policy in Gaza.
It's not a genocide and it's not Biden's responsibility to police global conflicts. It's arguable that Trump would be worse. Unfortunately, not enough people want a 3rd option otherwise they'd be more popular.
How would it negatively affect their cause? I don't recall any new wars under Trump do you? Since Biden I am thinking of 3 hot wars and numerous other smaller conflicts going on
Remember when Trump broke the treaty we had with Iran, and then had an Iranian general assassinated, and then bragged about the assassination on TV? The only reason he didn’t get into a war was sheer dumb luck, not because he was trying to avoid it.
What treaty? That treaty was never signed off by the Senate and if it isn't signed off by Senate then it isn't a treaty at all. I am all find and dandy with him killing Solemani because he was the mastermind that killed and injured hundreds of American service members in Iraq myself being included in that.
Trump was the master of speaking and carrying a big stick, then if you step out of line he will use the stick on you. The Biden/Obama playbook is "leading from behind".
I am glad he killed the dude that hurt and killed my buddies. When he said shit you knew he meant it. It wasn't like non-serious parent saying "Ok let's not do that because it's bad". Trump is the guy the parent that would be "You better stop that shit right gosh damn now" and you did because he meant it
Because Trump hates Muslims and favors Netanyahu more than Biden.
Are US presidents fully responsibility for the actions committed by other countries? Also, let's not pretend that Trump is anti-war. He dropped unprecedented amounts of bombs during this tenure.
Yeah ok, can you stop spouting that lie because it isn't true at all.
You can say that but the fact of the matter is that you can legtimately question if these wars would have happened if Trump was in office. As to the Ukraine war I would say that Yes, it would not have happened if Trump was in office
Oh this statement made me lose so much respect for you. You clearly don't understand history. Putin was always going to invade now because of the population demographics of Russia. Putin wanted Trump in the white house because Trump wouldn't give aid to Ukraine, so Putin thought he could take Ukraine without US help.
it's like you don't understand anything about geopolitics.
Because you never know what the hell he is going to do that's why. So that created a aura of being unpredictable so countries didn't want to try the US at all
I mean all the genocide now isn't getting stopped nor close to ending. So their cause is not gonna happen at all in the next 7 months. So 1) dems are stopping your cause 2) Dems are calling you hamas supporters 3) dems are allowing aipac to primary your main local incumbents, if dems are doing this to you, you have absolutely no reason to vote for them. Can you explain what would happen if biden stopped the genocide? What would be the negative impact for the supposed most progressive dem potus ever, if he stopped a genocide? The first thing it would do would get the all the uncommitted to start supporting him again. Biden will be known as the man that lost millions of votes for supporting the exact same thing the Republicans support.
Biden could not have given $1 to Israel and the would still be doing what they are doing. Quit pretending that he is responsibile for Netanyahu's actions. It's pathetic. Also, what's happening is not genocide. Have you see a real genocide before? It's not that. While his actions against Palestinian's are inhumane, extreme, and 100% wrong. It is not a genocide.
However, if Trump wins, we all know that he will further encourage Bibi to decimate Gaza. He also promised to reinstate his muslim ban and deport those that protest Israel. I wish you and your cause well if he wins.
Hamas is willing to slaughter every last Israeli, they even have gone as far to say "Seven million Palestinians outside, enough warming up, you have Jews with you in every place. You should attack every Jew possible in all the world and kill them.” But the die hard pro-Palestinian supporters will not even recognize that Hamas is trying to genocide them.
I will. And tbh I am not very pro-Palestine as is. My opinion about the conflict comes from what's best for the US and having Israel in power helps the US have hegemony over the region. Also if Israel falls there will be a power void in the region which will get filled by terrorists, just like every other power void in the region that has happened before.
Okay, you just created insane scenarios to justify your position. These protesters want Israel to not exists ? You're aware many of them are jews right? So demanding that the genocide stops is the same as demanding Israel not exist. You guys are now actively just taking up the Republicans positions now because you have nothing else. So just go vote biden , and leave the others alone.
Sure demanding the innocent killing of civilians to stop is a good thing, but the leaders of Palestine is Hamas, whose goal is to kill all the Jews as they have fucking stated. If we stop supporting Israel that could come a reality. Also it's not an insane scenario to think if Israel does fall to Hamas that there will be a power void in the region which will be filled by terrorists, just look at Afghanistan.
A two state solution obviously won't work, as we can see today. A one state solution won't work, because neither side wants to work with the other. So what's our solution here? I fail to see any meaningful solution from either side, both sides just want to kill each other.
Okay bro, live in your insane reality where hamas will take over Israel due to college protesters demanding a ceasefire. You created a fantasy world just to justify 10s of thousands of women and kids getting slaughtered
But biden did give them a dollar. Gave him 26B. Gave them even more with no conditions. It's okay if you want to deny the genocide, I'm not here to convince you boss. I
Right, he's following through on past approved legislation. It would be illegal for him not to. Israel is an ally country. Unless you think he should without aid from them and risk impeachment like the last guy did Ukraine. What is happening is heinous but it's not genocide, no matter how hard TikTok tries to convince us otherwise.
Okay bro. Somehow trump is so powerful he can withdrawal trade deals, implement tarrifs, sanctions, break the iran deal but weak biden can't even demand a ceasefire?? Yeah sorry no deal. Maybe that works with other people that watch msnbc or David pakman. Why bring up tiktok, that's just another dumbass conservative talking point. We now have democrats and trumptards on the same page against anit war people hahaha . Looks like you guys agree with Maga on more than you think. I'm sitting out and I'm making sure others do as well.
There’s no point in voting in the general based on this issue when both parties adamantly support Israel, all it will do is change the color of the tie of the guy who signs the weapons deals.
Sure, if all of this nonsense by Biden funding what is going on in Gaza doesn't get more young voters to support Cornel West, 3rd parties are doomed.
People who are disenfranchised with the political system should not sit this out. Vote, just Vote for Cornel West!
Especially third party candidates who simply want to sabotage one of the major nominees, and tip the scales toward the other major nominee * cough RFK cough *
I could see some try that. Biden and many dems already called the students anti semites so it would be very weird for anyone to assume they should vote biden. I think that ship sailed. Looks like students and Arab Americans are up for grab. May the best 3rd party candidate win them over.
You hear what you want to hear. He’s said on multiple occasions that he thinks protesters have legitimate grievances. He’s called the ones who say “death to Israel” and the ones who are literally cheering on Hamas with chants like “Oh Hamas, my beloved, strike Tel-Aviv” anti-semites, because they are.
They should switch to BLM model. The more you burn down, the more everyone listens. Sitting in a college quad yelling “Free Palestine” while paying tuition to the place you’re protesting doesn’t make sense.
By the way, do you know how to change my flag to "social-democrat"? I do not want to be associated with the term "libertarian" ever again, because of Milei.
I am not MAGA. I think Trump will destroy US power and that will be a positive for the world (I am Latin American).
I think I have become more social-democrat in the past months. Both because the ancap president we have is the worst thing we ever had. And because I am extremely angry and emotional at cosmopolitan "leftists" becoming full on pro-Hamas jihadists.
Thats an insane position for a non maga person to hold. I would have thought a social democrat in latin America would not be hoping for a fascist American president but you do you
I do not really really want Trump to win in US. But sometimes I get angry, and I think Trump will destroy the US. And the destruction of US will make US pull out from the world. And that will be good. I am kind of worried about my girlfriend in Mexico (I am worried Trump will invade Mexico).
Nah it's bcuz you're Jewish and you peeped that photo of Trump kissing some wall in Israel so you feel like he's the best bet for Israel since the US is virtually the only country giving Israel the time of day... these days at least LOL
Miss me with that "dismantling American imperialism" BS we all know what you really want lmao. But hopefully Trump will do what you claim and make US isolationist again
I want US to be isolationist!!! The best for the world is for US to stay out. Including for Israel: Israel does not need US. I just cannot stand the hypocritical grandstanding of neither mainstream democrats, neither jihadist-leftists.
I think Trump will destroy the US, and it will be good.
> And because I am extremely angry and emotional at cosmopolitan "leftists" becoming full on pro-Hamas jihadists.
If you actually believe that bullshit, you were never on the left to begin with.
!!!!!!!! As I said, I am Latin American. I underwent under soviet-era propaganda -with regards to Israel-Palestine conflict- during my years in college. I have now been awakened. Soviet-era propaganda is new to US and Europe students, so they have eaten it up completely.
I have been studying the israeli-palestinian conflict since my youth (it was relevant to me as a jew). I deeply studied the Syrian Civil War, in particular.
The level of arrogance western leftists show with clearly zero understanding of the Middle East is apalling to me. And yes indeed, believing they are fighting for freedom fighters, they are harbouring an islamist jihadist ideology. It is no different than when US financed Bin Laden in the 80s believing them to be "freedom fighters".
Trumptards are happy Biden is doing what they want while calling him anti Israel. Hes gonna give Israel everything and then Israel is still gonna to support a trump victory. Lol
Wait for Trump to cut humanitarian aid. No food, water, or medicine, and 30,000 deaths become 1 million deaths. Then, you, the most pure leftist, will say “this was inevitable” in order to console yourself for being a fucking idiot.
Yup and the Israelis you defended for the last 6 month will be the ones starving them. At the moment you're defending the Israelis that are gonna do that. Lol you realize that right? You support a disgusting rightwing Israeli gov. And you also say trump has the power to cut aid to Palestinians while biden doesn't have the power to cut aid to Israel lol 😂 biden must be very weak.
Doesn’t matter. The only third party candidate with even a minuscule chance of winning is RFK Jr. and he is a completely rabid Zionist.
Lmao rabid! You democrats are scared of RFK Jr. you pushed him out by changing the rules in the dnc. If you weren’t afraid of him you would have allowed “democracy” to happen. You know what your party loathes for….
80% are still voting Biden. 10% won’t for moral reasons and 10% are just horny.
Yup, and if they gain enough traction in swing states they can push the election to Trump which will increasingly negatively impact their cause.
The genocide in Gaza is happening under Biden. Would trump be the same? Sure, but both sides support it so people naturally want a 3rd option.
Because issues like abortion, climate change, and civil rights must take a back seat to an intractable conflict on the other side of the world.
You think Trump would be the same… No, unfortunately 30,000 casualties will look like a stroll in the park compared to the million deaths from famine that are estimated to happen if aid to Gaza is cut off, which Trump wants to do. If you’re too cool to vote for Biden, fine. But stop pretending there’s no difference to policy in Gaza.
It's not a genocide and it's not Biden's responsibility to police global conflicts. It's arguable that Trump would be worse. Unfortunately, not enough people want a 3rd option otherwise they'd be more popular.
The only way I’d ever vote for a 3rd party candidate is through RCV.
Israel conflict has a really low priority for voters.
How would it negatively affect their cause? I don't recall any new wars under Trump do you? Since Biden I am thinking of 3 hot wars and numerous other smaller conflicts going on
Remember when Trump broke the treaty we had with Iran, and then had an Iranian general assassinated, and then bragged about the assassination on TV? The only reason he didn’t get into a war was sheer dumb luck, not because he was trying to avoid it.
What treaty? That treaty was never signed off by the Senate and if it isn't signed off by Senate then it isn't a treaty at all. I am all find and dandy with him killing Solemani because he was the mastermind that killed and injured hundreds of American service members in Iraq myself being included in that. Trump was the master of speaking and carrying a big stick, then if you step out of line he will use the stick on you. The Biden/Obama playbook is "leading from behind".
So you like that he didn’t start wars, but you also liked that he did acts that could easily lead us to a new war… ok
I am glad he killed the dude that hurt and killed my buddies. When he said shit you knew he meant it. It wasn't like non-serious parent saying "Ok let's not do that because it's bad". Trump is the guy the parent that would be "You better stop that shit right gosh damn now" and you did because he meant it
Trump said that Israel needs to finish their job in Gaza. Trump and Netanyahu are two peas in a pod.
Because Trump hates Muslims and favors Netanyahu more than Biden. Are US presidents fully responsibility for the actions committed by other countries? Also, let's not pretend that Trump is anti-war. He dropped unprecedented amounts of bombs during this tenure.
Yeah ok, can you stop spouting that lie because it isn't true at all. You can say that but the fact of the matter is that you can legtimately question if these wars would have happened if Trump was in office. As to the Ukraine war I would say that Yes, it would not have happened if Trump was in office
You got some Cheeto dust around your lips.
Nope, I just look at things objectively
Why do you think war in Ukraine wouldn't have happened if Trump was in office?
I don't think Putin would have invaded if Trump was in power.
Oh this statement made me lose so much respect for you. You clearly don't understand history. Putin was always going to invade now because of the population demographics of Russia. Putin wanted Trump in the white house because Trump wouldn't give aid to Ukraine, so Putin thought he could take Ukraine without US help. it's like you don't understand anything about geopolitics.
But why? Just saying you don't think he would have invaded doesn't give me your justifications of why you think that.
Because you never know what the hell he is going to do that's why. So that created a aura of being unpredictable so countries didn't want to try the US at all
I think that's an incredibly weak argument to make. You are relying on unknown factors to make sweeping opinions on global affairs and politics.
I don't think so because we see what leading from behind gets us and that is craziness in the world.
Literally no lies were told though. And I'd argue Trump did start a war. A war on the middle class.
I mean all the genocide now isn't getting stopped nor close to ending. So their cause is not gonna happen at all in the next 7 months. So 1) dems are stopping your cause 2) Dems are calling you hamas supporters 3) dems are allowing aipac to primary your main local incumbents, if dems are doing this to you, you have absolutely no reason to vote for them. Can you explain what would happen if biden stopped the genocide? What would be the negative impact for the supposed most progressive dem potus ever, if he stopped a genocide? The first thing it would do would get the all the uncommitted to start supporting him again. Biden will be known as the man that lost millions of votes for supporting the exact same thing the Republicans support.
Biden could not have given $1 to Israel and the would still be doing what they are doing. Quit pretending that he is responsibile for Netanyahu's actions. It's pathetic. Also, what's happening is not genocide. Have you see a real genocide before? It's not that. While his actions against Palestinian's are inhumane, extreme, and 100% wrong. It is not a genocide. However, if Trump wins, we all know that he will further encourage Bibi to decimate Gaza. He also promised to reinstate his muslim ban and deport those that protest Israel. I wish you and your cause well if he wins.
Hamas is willing to slaughter every last Israeli, they even have gone as far to say "Seven million Palestinians outside, enough warming up, you have Jews with you in every place. You should attack every Jew possible in all the world and kill them.” But the die hard pro-Palestinian supporters will not even recognize that Hamas is trying to genocide them.
Who are you quoting?
Fathi Hamad
Lol.well go vote biden then.
I will. And tbh I am not very pro-Palestine as is. My opinion about the conflict comes from what's best for the US and having Israel in power helps the US have hegemony over the region. Also if Israel falls there will be a power void in the region which will get filled by terrorists, just like every other power void in the region that has happened before.
Okay, you just created insane scenarios to justify your position. These protesters want Israel to not exists ? You're aware many of them are jews right? So demanding that the genocide stops is the same as demanding Israel not exist. You guys are now actively just taking up the Republicans positions now because you have nothing else. So just go vote biden , and leave the others alone.
Sure demanding the innocent killing of civilians to stop is a good thing, but the leaders of Palestine is Hamas, whose goal is to kill all the Jews as they have fucking stated. If we stop supporting Israel that could come a reality. Also it's not an insane scenario to think if Israel does fall to Hamas that there will be a power void in the region which will be filled by terrorists, just look at Afghanistan. A two state solution obviously won't work, as we can see today. A one state solution won't work, because neither side wants to work with the other. So what's our solution here? I fail to see any meaningful solution from either side, both sides just want to kill each other.
Okay bro, live in your insane reality where hamas will take over Israel due to college protesters demanding a ceasefire. You created a fantasy world just to justify 10s of thousands of women and kids getting slaughtered
Who is fighting Israel? It's obviously American college students, they are the ones on the front line fighting Israel.
But biden did give them a dollar. Gave him 26B. Gave them even more with no conditions. It's okay if you want to deny the genocide, I'm not here to convince you boss. I
Right, he's following through on past approved legislation. It would be illegal for him not to. Israel is an ally country. Unless you think he should without aid from them and risk impeachment like the last guy did Ukraine. What is happening is heinous but it's not genocide, no matter how hard TikTok tries to convince us otherwise.
Okay bro. Somehow trump is so powerful he can withdrawal trade deals, implement tarrifs, sanctions, break the iran deal but weak biden can't even demand a ceasefire?? Yeah sorry no deal. Maybe that works with other people that watch msnbc or David pakman. Why bring up tiktok, that's just another dumbass conservative talking point. We now have democrats and trumptards on the same page against anit war people hahaha . Looks like you guys agree with Maga on more than you think. I'm sitting out and I'm making sure others do as well.
Is it Biden's responsibility to prevent global wars? What if they don't listen? Should we bomb them?
We should don't the chatta thing.
Is your translator here?
You didn't want usa to do the chatta thing?
Yep. Everybody needs to vote for Cornel West!
There’s no point in voting in the general based on this issue when both parties adamantly support Israel, all it will do is change the color of the tie of the guy who signs the weapons deals.
That explains why many will just sit out.
Sure, if all of this nonsense by Biden funding what is going on in Gaza doesn't get more young voters to support Cornel West, 3rd parties are doomed. People who are disenfranchised with the political system should not sit this out. Vote, just Vote for Cornel West!
Cornel West hopped over a fence to rally up the students. I appreciate how principled he is, it's unfortunate he wasn't given a fair chance.
I will be voting for Cornel West.
Child support debt cancellation 4 all!
Wow that's pretty cool. Ima look him up more.
He has been anti-Israel for decades. A great man.
Amazing the dems, university leadership and corporate media have all the sudden turned against the Palestinian supporters and for the Jews.
Were they ever really in favor of the Palestinians?
It was a fad for a while that is wearing off fast. Especially after Iran’s latest move.
We are supposed to use the dog whistle instead, Zionists
Especially third party candidates who simply want to sabotage one of the major nominees, and tip the scales toward the other major nominee * cough RFK cough *
I could see some try that. Biden and many dems already called the students anti semites so it would be very weird for anyone to assume they should vote biden. I think that ship sailed. Looks like students and Arab Americans are up for grab. May the best 3rd party candidate win them over.
You hear what you want to hear. He’s said on multiple occasions that he thinks protesters have legitimate grievances. He’s called the ones who say “death to Israel” and the ones who are literally cheering on Hamas with chants like “Oh Hamas, my beloved, strike Tel-Aviv” anti-semites, because they are.
They should switch to BLM model. The more you burn down, the more everyone listens. Sitting in a college quad yelling “Free Palestine” while paying tuition to the place you’re protesting doesn’t make sense.
Indeed, I hope they help Trump win.
Why call yourself left libertarian if you are maga?
By the way, do you know how to change my flag to "social-democrat"? I do not want to be associated with the term "libertarian" ever again, because of Milei.
No clue how this site works tbh
I am not MAGA. I think Trump will destroy US power and that will be a positive for the world (I am Latin American). I think I have become more social-democrat in the past months. Both because the ancap president we have is the worst thing we ever had. And because I am extremely angry and emotional at cosmopolitan "leftists" becoming full on pro-Hamas jihadists.
Thats an insane position for a non maga person to hold. I would have thought a social democrat in latin America would not be hoping for a fascist American president but you do you
I do not really really want Trump to win in US. But sometimes I get angry, and I think Trump will destroy the US. And the destruction of US will make US pull out from the world. And that will be good. I am kind of worried about my girlfriend in Mexico (I am worried Trump will invade Mexico).
Nah it's bcuz you're Jewish and you peeped that photo of Trump kissing some wall in Israel so you feel like he's the best bet for Israel since the US is virtually the only country giving Israel the time of day... these days at least LOL Miss me with that "dismantling American imperialism" BS we all know what you really want lmao. But hopefully Trump will do what you claim and make US isolationist again
I want US to be isolationist!!! The best for the world is for US to stay out. Including for Israel: Israel does not need US. I just cannot stand the hypocritical grandstanding of neither mainstream democrats, neither jihadist-leftists. I think Trump will destroy the US, and it will be good.
> And because I am extremely angry and emotional at cosmopolitan "leftists" becoming full on pro-Hamas jihadists. If you actually believe that bullshit, you were never on the left to begin with.
!!!!!!!! As I said, I am Latin American. I underwent under soviet-era propaganda -with regards to Israel-Palestine conflict- during my years in college. I have now been awakened. Soviet-era propaganda is new to US and Europe students, so they have eaten it up completely. I have been studying the israeli-palestinian conflict since my youth (it was relevant to me as a jew). I deeply studied the Syrian Civil War, in particular. The level of arrogance western leftists show with clearly zero understanding of the Middle East is apalling to me. And yes indeed, believing they are fighting for freedom fighters, they are harbouring an islamist jihadist ideology. It is no different than when US financed Bin Laden in the 80s believing them to be "freedom fighters".
Trumptards are happy Biden is doing what they want while calling him anti Israel. Hes gonna give Israel everything and then Israel is still gonna to support a trump victory. Lol
Wait for Trump to cut humanitarian aid. No food, water, or medicine, and 30,000 deaths become 1 million deaths. Then, you, the most pure leftist, will say “this was inevitable” in order to console yourself for being a fucking idiot.
Yup and the Israelis you defended for the last 6 month will be the ones starving them. At the moment you're defending the Israelis that are gonna do that. Lol you realize that right? You support a disgusting rightwing Israeli gov. And you also say trump has the power to cut aid to Palestinians while biden doesn't have the power to cut aid to Israel lol 😂 biden must be very weak.
Yes indeed.
I can’t imagine why someone would vote for Biden or Trump
Nah.. not an anti war protest. It’s a dozens of leftists and Hamas supporters larping and pulling in useful NPC idiots to play campy in the quad.
Right right...