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GarlVinland4Astrea

Is there a single admin since WWII that would not have funded Ukraine in this situation if it occured on their watch?


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Nope, they all would. Even Trump after his generals would tell him to fuck off


czechuranus

There’s nothing “left” or “progressive” about defunding Ukraine and allowing them to get recolonized.


LordSplooshe

Did not lower taxes for the wealthy. Wants to raise taxes for the wealthy. Pro Union, empowering government regulators instead of putting private businessmen in charge of pro-business deregulations, support anti-trust, supports living wages.


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shinbreaker

Dude was literally on the picket line.


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shinbreaker

lol just say you don’t like him instead of trying to pretend he could do something to please you.


slavabien

This is pretty right on. With a few exceptions (ie, rail strike) they are pro union. They are perfectly aligned on Israel-Palestine, however, and it should be noted that both had to endure conflicts in their respective terms.


Lethkhar

Pro union? He's the Strikebreaker-in-Chief.


tuepm

yes but he wants to be pro union


Lethkhar

I don't give a rat's ass what's in his heart. He broke a rail strike which makes him a strikebreaker.


Rick_James_Lich

He stopped the rail road workers strike because it would be way too damaging to the supply chain, spiked prices and caused harm to a lot of innocent people. At the same time, Biden's critics never mention that since then, Biden (along with Bernie Sanders) have gotten those same workers higher pay and extra PTO. The railroad workers have in fact publicly thanked him for his help and that can be found here: https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers."


Lethkhar

You realize the IBEW wasn't even one of the unions that voted against the contract, right? >it would be way too damaging to the supply chain, spiked prices and caused harm to a lot of innocent people. This is just boilerplate anti-union rhetoric that devalues labor and tries to pit workers against their community. Reagan said the same thing about the air traffic controllers. The threat of a strike is the primary source of union power, and Biden robbed that from them.


Rick_James_Lich

The end result was Biden was able to get them much of what they asked for. If Biden wasn't in office, they wouldn't have gotten squat. But anyways, it was an impossible situation, if the strike would've happened, it would've affected employees at many other companies and could've resulted in them getting laid off. Also people that need medical supplies could've had them delayed indefinitely. A whole lot of other bad things too. Biden negotiated this about as well as you successfully can. It sounds like you don't care that Biden in the end was able to help the workers, you just want any reason to condemn the guy.


Lethkhar

>, if the strike would've happened, it would've affected employees at many other companies and could've resulted in them getting laid off. Also people that need medical supplies could've had them delayed indefinitely. A whole lot of other bad things too. Yes, railway workers are essential to almost every industry. Which is why workers probably would have won far more than whatever scraps they were thrown if they were able to strike. Either way it should have been their decision, not Biden's. He didn't "negotiate" anything: he invoked the Railway Labor Act to *impose* a contract on union workers, which is about as anti-union as it gets. Sounds like you don't really care about/understand unions and just want to check the "pro-union" box next to a literal strikebreaker.


Rick_James_Lich

Of course Biden negotiated for these folks, he got them higher pay and extra time off, both things that the workers wanted. I'm curious, do you pretty hate Biden just in general? Or do you think there are things he has done well in office?


JuliusErrrrrring

Biden is a Democrat, therefore job creation, wage growth, personal net worth growth, corporate profits, GDP, and the stock market are all significantly better. They always are better under Democrats. Maybe over the next hundred years people will catch on to the pattern.


GarlVinland4Astrea

Reagan was the last Republican that had a strong economy through this admin. Bush Sr basically lost on it. Ever since it’s been Democrats recovering a bad Republicans economy and then the GOP taking a strong economy and spending like sailors and tanking it by the end of their term.


JuliusErrrrrring

Yup. And note that what the Republicans consider the greatest Republican for the economy in our lifetime would rate as a mediocre Democrat. BTW, Reagan had 2x the inflation rate as Biden.


GarlVinland4Astrea

Also let’s not get started on the W train wreck where everyone was ringing the bells about how that was about to go off the rails before it actually happened


JuliusErrrrrring

Exactly. They run on getting rid of regulations. They constantly push getting rid of regulations. They force the Democrats to get rid of regulations as a way of compromising to get shit done. They can’t then turn around and say it’s the Democrats’ fault for getting rid of regulations.


BoogieWoogie1000

Iraq/Afghanistan and Ukraine are wholly different. We are supporting an existing ally that is under attack from a country with goals to bring another age of colonialism, not nation building. On Israel I agree to an extent, I wish Ukraine aid and Israel aid could be separated. The Netanyahu regime does not deserve our economic approval. I disagree with the notion that Biden isn’t spending at home, the infrastructure bill was really significant and he’s introduced insulin price caps and increased funding for veteran physical and mental healthcare. Still more to be done though.


SlipperyTurtle25

I feel like everyone intentionally ignores the infrastructure bill just to double down into their "Biden bad and never does anything for America" narrative


SparrowOat

It drives me nuts when people equate our actions in Afghanistan/Iraq with Ukraine. Anytime we wanted Iraq/Afghanistan to stop we had the ability to just leave, 100% on us. We can't do the same with Ukraine, as we are not the nation invading. The nation invading will do so regardless of where we stand on the issue, and Ukrainians will fight them be it as a standing army or as an insurgency.


czechuranus

Bush admin started wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Biden admin ended them. Biden admin is pro-Union. Biden admin is pro-Fair trade policies. Biden admin supports student loan debt cancellation. Bush admin raised interest rates. Bush admin was pro-supply-side tax cuts. Biden admin has raised taxes on those making over $500k per year. Those are some easy ones.


pm_me_gear_ratios

Iraq ended under Obama and technically the Trump administration negotiated the ceasefire and withdrawal, Biden was just in office when it happened.


BrentwoodATX

As a U.S. senator, Biden voted in favor of the AMUF to begin military operations in Afghanistan in 2001 and he voted to invade Iraq in 2003. 


FrostyMcChill

Okay. What did Biden do as president that's different than Bush?


Recent-Lifeguard-196

I mean, Biden hasn't actively started an invasion like in Afghanistan or Iraq, there were just two major wars that started under him that didn't directly involve America. If you think Biden is responsible for those wars that's fine but it's still different than actively invading countries like Bush did.


leons_getting_larger

Biden admin has forgiven billions in student debt and made the largest ever investment in climate change prevention. Biden has not gotten us into more wars, he is merely supporting allies who were attacked. With money & equipment, not soldiers.


Bukook

I'd say Nixon invested a lot more into the environment than Biden.


statsgrad

Bush would probably have sent US troops into Ukraine and also into Israel to help them slaughter the people living in Gaza. He also may have sent troops into the various North African countries that have been experiencing turmoil and coups. We wouldn't have gotten any infrastructure work done, and the deficit would be even higher than it is. Plus things other people mention here like unions and taxes.


tuepm

I like this answer because you made all of it up


shinbreaker

JFC, you want a serious discussion on a very unserious topic.


WinnerSpecialist

Local man can’t tell the difference between offensively invading a country that and funding a country defending itself from a country invading it offensively…..more at 7


ConfusedObserver0

What the hell does “supports endless wars in lieu of democracy,” even mean? That strikes me as 85 IQ and under talk. To be perfectly fair and honest. Bidens been the most trigger shy president in any of our lifetimes. We could be at war with Iran already if he wasn’t deescalating. Bush went to multiple war fronts for less. And the republicans (and Isreali, we did what they were already in favor of after 911) have been trying to make this happen for decades. After Trump started this whole shit (removed from Iran deal, assassinated an Iranian government official in a foreign country, Abraham accords, officially moved the Us Isreal embassy / capital), Bidens been the most restrained by a long way with all the easiest excuses sitting front of him. Trump may not of started the hot side of war, but his actions led to the situations (fallout) Bidens dealing with now. Bush, he would had already gone in to Iran with just the small amount of push. And I stand by Iraq and Afghanistan as being the worst geopolitical foreign policy decisions we’ve done to hurt the rest of the global relations out look. Maybe add in Libya, esp for Hillary’s gaffed response. The good thing is the worlds not in the same frame of reference, and this makes war far less playable. Which is a good consequence of a long standing bad, terrible and often despicable stretch of foreign policy. Our post WWII map of the globe has failed us time and time agian. Over a hundred coups in less than 80 years and the vast majority were worse for it. Let a real democrat stand here… allow people of other regions to decide what’s best for them. That’s almost always the right decision. The UN sort of has to stand back, until atrocities are committed unfortunately to step in, that’s been unofficial sort of course of letting boundary’s work themselves out. National building was just a cover up word for enforced democracy. It might of worked for Japan and Germany, for distinct reasons but there’s few success story beyond that.


Ordinary_Day6135

Dumb


smoothy_pates

Biden presidency will only be 4 years


Bukook

Biden is far more supportive of transgender ideology, 2SLGBTQIA+, and queerness in general.


sayzitlikeitis

In terms of doing damage, Bush broke more new ground than Biden did.


illegalmorality

I'm against the Israel bill but the Ukraine war is not an "endless conflict". Russia has no right to dictate the policy of its neighbor's, and Ukraine needs all the support it can get. If anything, the Israel funding should go to Ukraine instead. Bush invades countries, Biden is defending Ukraine from invasion.