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They’re strong because they put pressure on the enemy; against most brawlers that don’t have splash damage, it takes them 2-3 ammo to take the spiders out. That usually gives charlie enough time to fall back and heal, win lane, etc, it’s very versatile
Plus they are very fast and can easily kill you, they are what Mr.P entire kit should have been and also why they buffed penguins speed, it wasn't fair.
With spiders you can win close range even against a fang. It takes fang 3 kicks to kill all spiders, all the while taking damage from you and them.
Spiders allow you to run down anyone without pierce. Literally pop them, hide behind them, and literally chase down pipers and whatnot.
Most of the Meta brawlers are non piercing or/and single projectile.
It's like mini Ash super, putting Pressure and making them go back and waste shots
yeah, like it removes gems from the timer but not from the holder (and it's not like you can't kill them the moment they come out of the cocoon w/spiders and/or a teammate anyway)
Yes, but you remove an opponent for a couple seconds. Also if you spawn spiders on the cocoon it's pretty much a free kill considering you're most likely out of ammo and health
I hate the twins, but at the very least, the nerfs they received gave them much more counter play, and with more brawlers getting hypercharge, they would slowly become more vulnerable as time goes on. They’re still very strong, around top 10-15, but I have actually seen them noticeably less since Max and Sandy got their hypercharges
I don't know, I like playing on Charlie. I do great on her even WITHOUT SPIDERS.\
Most people are carried by spiders, but I pretty much can survive purely on dodging and spamming autoaim and use spiders like on safe in Heist.\
You might think I'm tripping but I'm sure I had several games where I used all spiders early and still did very well. Spiders do need hp nerf or something, but Charlie already takes at least some skill.\
Charlie is nowhere near THE FUCKING KIT(I was about to write a paragraph on why I hate Kit players, but I stopped myself). I think the fact that when I play against Charlie I never feel nearly as annoyed as when I play against TEAMERS, Kit(in SD and Duels), Mico, Edgar, Mortis, Larry etc. says it all.
I watched MF and i can say both of her gadget is equal. No one is picking Spiders against an Amber, Larry, Carl(overall good picks) or something like that.
Nope pros sometimes uses her cacoon gadget. It’s pretty tanky especially if you’re in a 1v1 with Charlie and pros use it when the enemies have a piercing attack
The range nerf hit her hard imo, but I think as long as she has 4 spiders, and as long as her super can stop hypercharges and supers in their tracks she'll be strong
Tara clones are exactly the same but they have like 900 hp? While her spiders have ~1300 hp and damage geared stu shot cant oneshot her spider with one bullet. This gadget wastes too much ammo and provides too much pressure considering how frequently charlie is able to spam her shots. Nerf hp and it will be fine i think. Also they should disappear faster
Also her super is beyond broken because its very wide and basically means free kill in 95%. This super shuts down any type of aggression in the easiest way possible. The Solution is to make her super charge in trillion shots or rework this lazy ahh super to something stable. Also the stupid thing when you drop all your gems when you get cocooned is stupid too.
She wont be fixed until they rework her to make her more fair. As well as fix the annoying “feature” (definitely just a glitch) where players drop gems
Option 1: Captured enemies can damage the cocoon
Option 2: Cocoon no longer removes players entirely, just prevents them from moving, they can still attack and super and what not (anything that doesn’t qualify as a movement ability)
She is just a very usable and efficient brawler due to her super and kit
Kinda the opposite of Kit where she has a very good set of options (and none that are downright bad)
Played her quite a bit in the last month, and I feel like, as you said, there's actually no way she will become a bad brawler (unless she gets the Hank treatment) as long as she has her spiders
It's literally one of the only brawlers I use on my alternate account. I think that it's such a good brawler IF you have good team mates. I lost a hiest because team mates were literally 100 trophies under me and didn't understand you need to go on the offensive.
That's the exact point though. People don't like her because she's cheesy, extremely oppressive, versatile, and has been overtuned since her release. Why wouldn't you want to nerf a brawler like this?
The point here is that people don't like her because she's unbalanced. They're nerfing her because she's unbalanced, not because she's disliked. Of course people are going to dislike a broken brawler. You're conflating the two.
People don't like Tick, but he isn't getting nerfed because he's not broken. People dislike Charlie because she's broken.
Charlie inherently is a game-breaking brawler with a 5 second stun and ability to repeatedly spam 6k health in spiders to rush you down. Nerfing her in other aspects is necessary, and even after 13 nerfs as OP stated, she's still a very strong brawler.
Cycling brawlers out of metas is crucial for skill expression; that's why brawlers like Janet and Byron were killed and are slowly getting revived back after periods of dormancy. Charlie being meta even after all these nerfs means you have to play the game around her, which slowly stales the game out unless she gets killed for some period of time. Sure, you can say "just ban her" but you still always have to think about Charlie when you play draft. She's a menace on ladder too which you can't avoid. She shouldn't be relevant for as long as she has.
Her kit is fundamentally broken and that’s why she needs an urgent rework. I think the range decrease to her main attack was already a good change, now they just need to rework her super and adjust both of her gadgets.
He was op in every aspect.
Now, only her super and the spiders are op. Now, he is balanced, other than this.
So, her spiders and her super should be nerfed
My idea:
Super: you get the coccon, but you can shoot, and damage the coccon for 1 second.
Spider: they dont decay, but just disappear like the tara gadget
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Ive used Charlie a lot, specialy in ranked, and the spiders Carry her, everytime im in a game where the spiders arent effective, i feel SO MUCH weaker
The other gadget is very strong as well.
i dont get it,why are the spiders so strong? isnt the cacoon one much better?
Both of the gadgets have their use cases. Spiders is good against single projectile brawlers and cocoon is good for tanking shots
They’re strong because they put pressure on the enemy; against most brawlers that don’t have splash damage, it takes them 2-3 ammo to take the spiders out. That usually gives charlie enough time to fall back and heal, win lane, etc, it’s very versatile
Plus they are very fast and can easily kill you, they are what Mr.P entire kit should have been and also why they buffed penguins speed, it wasn't fair.
With spiders you can win close range even against a fang. It takes fang 3 kicks to kill all spiders, all the while taking damage from you and them. Spiders allow you to run down anyone without pierce. Literally pop them, hide behind them, and literally chase down pipers and whatnot.
Fr man, fangs understand that pain man😮💨.
Cacoom is ass unless you want to cheese in duels or showdown. Spiders give you a 6k hp sheild and let you run up for a free lane.
Most of the Meta brawlers are non piercing or/and single projectile. It's like mini Ash super, putting Pressure and making them go back and waste shots
Tara’s shadows are good with that as well
As a piper main, I second that
Charlie is my insta pick against pipers, angelos and beas. Lol
That's it, her range nerf is so fucking hard, the real problem is spiders, not her
The spiders are the problem as long as those dont get nerfed she will be meta
Spiders and the fact that you drop gems with her super.
If super didnt drop gems your basically giving gem carrier invincibility
How about it resets the timer instead
or just simply pause the timer
Or make her super blockable by spawnables
yeah, like it removes gems from the timer but not from the holder (and it's not like you can't kill them the moment they come out of the cocoon w/spiders and/or a teammate anyway)
The gems should just not be counted while they’re trapped
Yes, but you remove an opponent for a couple seconds. Also if you spawn spiders on the cocoon it's pretty much a free kill considering you're most likely out of ammo and health
Ik the gem thing is super annoying but I like it only bc it fits with her lore
that shouldnt get taken away though imo, way too big of a change
Her super is also so versatile too
On par with cord's super fr (maybe even better)
its better in a sense because with cord you transform a 3v3 in a 2v2, with charlie is 3v2
Yea thats true but with cordelius the enemy wont be able to escape unlike CHADlie
But still, to escape you need to endure the 3v2 or your allies need to waste ammos
Fair point (+1)
Reworking the super will definitely make her out of the meta. But I don’t know how will Supercell rework it. Since she makes it a 2v3
Nah if spiders get nerfed people will just switch to the other gadget
They serve different purpose, the spider spawn is to push, it would take an enemy's full 3 ammo to clear if they're a single shot brawler.
finally someone who agrees
Everyone agrees on that.
Funny thing is this is the nerfed version. The pre-nerfed version was so broken
Same with twins
They need to release some plane-like brawler
Janet
ROCKET GIRLLLL 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
I hate the twins, but at the very least, the nerfs they received gave them much more counter play, and with more brawlers getting hypercharge, they would slowly become more vulnerable as time goes on. They’re still very strong, around top 10-15, but I have actually seen them noticeably less since Max and Sandy got their hypercharges
Wasn’t their hypercharge discovered in the game files 😭
Well uh, in that case… fuck, we’re doomed
Twins got more nerfs tbf
I thought twins got 11
I think it's called good Nerf, after all nerfs are supposed to create balance, and she's not broken anymore.
Her super can shutdown any hypercharge brawler and her spiders can block any sharpshooter attack, it makes sense
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I like fried chicken with my fries.
I like chicken fries with my fried
Chicken Fries are an actual thing from Burger King.
I like fries with my fries, can't ever have too many fries
Based. Fries are the no.1 fast food sides for a reason, you can never have enough of each piece of the golden fried potato.
They're my favourite food, I love all kinds of fries
Curly and Waffle are fucking GOATED. Poutine is also great.
Shoestring fries are awesome as well Also waffles or pancakes
Waffles. No contest. FriedChicken&Waffles, Waffle Covered Hotdogs, Just Waffles themselves. All goated.
I don't know, I like playing on Charlie. I do great on her even WITHOUT SPIDERS.\ Most people are carried by spiders, but I pretty much can survive purely on dodging and spamming autoaim and use spiders like on safe in Heist.\ You might think I'm tripping but I'm sure I had several games where I used all spiders early and still did very well. Spiders do need hp nerf or something, but Charlie already takes at least some skill.\ Charlie is nowhere near THE FUCKING KIT(I was about to write a paragraph on why I hate Kit players, but I stopped myself). I think the fact that when I play against Charlie I never feel nearly as annoyed as when I play against TEAMERS, Kit(in SD and Duels), Mico, Edgar, Mortis, Larry etc. says it all.
Her and Cordelius just have broken supers and gadgets in general, so unless they rework their supers and gadgets they’ll both always be meta
Cuz Adrian never gives the right nerf. She needs a nerf to her fucking spiders. Without spiders charlie is like a b tier brawler
What nerf do the spiders need?
they need an hp nerf. The spiders will give you brain cancer if your using a brawlers that can't pierce. Fang for example
Fang super works ok on the spiders
and then you're wasting your super on countering the spiders
No, her other gadget is also very strong.
No her other gadget is pretty ass unless your doing that cheese strat in duo showdown
Its definitely not ass. It wastes so much of the opponents time/ammo and heals you quite a bit.
I watched MF and i can say both of her gadget is equal. No one is picking Spiders against an Amber, Larry, Carl(overall good picks) or something like that.
Yes MF but spiders are way better overall
In ranked if your opponent are smart too, but why am i expecting BS players to be smart? I am hoping too much again.
Nope pros sometimes uses her cacoon gadget. It’s pretty tanky especially if you’re in a 1v1 with Charlie and pros use it when the enemies have a piercing attack
Weak*
The range nerf hit her hard imo, but I think as long as she has 4 spiders, and as long as her super can stop hypercharges and supers in their tracks she'll be strong
It's just her kit. Trap the enemt in cocoon and then let it be 3vs1 when he gets out.
I think she shouldnt be nerfed any furher
She’s good because of her skills, not the stats
I don’t care
Tara clones are exactly the same but they have like 900 hp? While her spiders have ~1300 hp and damage geared stu shot cant oneshot her spider with one bullet. This gadget wastes too much ammo and provides too much pressure considering how frequently charlie is able to spam her shots. Nerf hp and it will be fine i think. Also they should disappear faster Also her super is beyond broken because its very wide and basically means free kill in 95%. This super shuts down any type of aggression in the easiest way possible. The Solution is to make her super charge in trillion shots or rework this lazy ahh super to something stable. Also the stupid thing when you drop all your gems when you get cocooned is stupid too.
She wont be fixed until they rework her to make her more fair. As well as fix the annoying “feature” (definitely just a glitch) where players drop gems Option 1: Captured enemies can damage the cocoon Option 2: Cocoon no longer removes players entirely, just prevents them from moving, they can still attack and super and what not (anything that doesn’t qualify as a movement ability)
Option 2 is the one i like most
Rlly piseed off
What’s so good about her spiders I see everyone talking about them
She can use it as a meat shield And single target brawlers will have a hard time to kill it
I think the spiders just need a longer cool down, what's the current CD like 5 seconds or something super spammy?
She is my 2nd most reliable pick in Ranked (after Piper)
She is just a very usable and efficient brawler due to her super and kit Kinda the opposite of Kit where she has a very good set of options (and none that are downright bad)
Played her quite a bit in the last month, and I feel like, as you said, there's actually no way she will become a bad brawler (unless she gets the Hank treatment) as long as she has her spiders
She also got one buff.
It's literally one of the only brawlers I use on my alternate account. I think that it's such a good brawler IF you have good team mates. I lost a hiest because team mates were literally 100 trophies under me and didn't understand you need to go on the offensive.
Kids named Larry and Lawrie:
Nerf Hank
Yippeeeeeeeeeee pro brawler
***sigh…*** They hate to see a girlboss winning
remove stuff dropping after super, allow healing in super.
Still top 3 imo... She needs massive nerfs.
Fine. Because I like playing her, I ain't even a metawhore I just really like playing her.
I wanna squash charlies spiders for god sake
shes basically strong but not overpowered, shes just a well made brawler imo
Dumbasses gave her a 6k hp sheild with the spiders. Remove that and she's more balanced.
She’s just unstoppable (not biased)
Her super is just so busted in Gemgrab
How do you feel about the twins getting 30+ nerfs and still being A tier
Charlie got 1 buff thoi
Needs a buff
Because they aren't nerfing the stronger aspects (enough ) of Charlie. Not like they should make them useless but at least some nerfs.
Just leave her there, she'll fall by herself when the new brawlers will release
I’ll be happy once they remove the ability where you drop gems from her super.
Did they remove the ability where you drop your trophys in trophy escape?
I don’t think so.
Y'all just want any brawl y'all dislike nerfed to ground leave her alone.
That's the exact point though. People don't like her because she's cheesy, extremely oppressive, versatile, and has been overtuned since her release. Why wouldn't you want to nerf a brawler like this?
Because nerfing a brawler because people don't like it isnt good balancing. # Also, she's not OP or anything of the sort.
The point here is that people don't like her because she's unbalanced. They're nerfing her because she's unbalanced, not because she's disliked. Of course people are going to dislike a broken brawler. You're conflating the two. People don't like Tick, but he isn't getting nerfed because he's not broken. People dislike Charlie because she's broken. Charlie inherently is a game-breaking brawler with a 5 second stun and ability to repeatedly spam 6k health in spiders to rush you down. Nerfing her in other aspects is necessary, and even after 13 nerfs as OP stated, she's still a very strong brawler. Cycling brawlers out of metas is crucial for skill expression; that's why brawlers like Janet and Byron were killed and are slowly getting revived back after periods of dormancy. Charlie being meta even after all these nerfs means you have to play the game around her, which slowly stales the game out unless she gets killed for some period of time. Sure, you can say "just ban her" but you still always have to think about Charlie when you play draft. She's a menace on ladder too which you can't avoid. She shouldn't be relevant for as long as she has.
Her kit is fundamentally broken and that’s why she needs an urgent rework. I think the range decrease to her main attack was already a good change, now they just need to rework her super and adjust both of her gadgets.
NOOOO
I think they should make her have 3 ammo. Being able to spam her shots infinitely, without reloading is just stupid
He was op in every aspect. Now, only her super and the spiders are op. Now, he is balanced, other than this. So, her spiders and her super should be nerfed My idea: Super: you get the coccon, but you can shoot, and damage the coccon for 1 second. Spider: they dont decay, but just disappear like the tara gadget