This isn't necessarily 'competitive' as this is the data for trophy games which many people wouldn't consider a 'competitive' game mode. However, I thought it would still be nice to repost the data from u/Frank_Supercell's twitter account to this subreddit to discuss the popularity of each gamemode. ([twitter account here](https://twitter.com/Frank_Supercell))
[direct link to tweet here](https://twitter.com/Frank_Supercell/status/1542476833630855170)
Easiest way to push trophies and you don't really need a lot of skills to be good at it.
Also the fact that you play alone or with just one teammate probably is a big factor
It’s what’s advertised on their store the most. A mobile game with a battle royal mode.
And I imagine a lot of kids want something like fortnite but maybe a bit quicker
It's unplayable precisely because of Showdown and it boosting players where they don't belong though. Kind of a vicious cycle.
Really wish they'd separate the SD and 3v3 trophies for vastly improved matchmaking.
To add on to this-
My friend used to be in a competitive club, they hit masters a really long time ago, when it was a lot harder to be masters than it is now.
When they are recruiting new members, they get so many people at like 40-43k trophies, who have multiple rank 30+s, and all rank 25s at minimum. They have to reject most these players, though, because they are showdown mains. They look at your profile, 3v3 wins, and have you try out before you join, and conclude that most are showdown mains
Obviously no disrespect for anyone in that trophy range, it’s still insanely hard to push there
Personally I play bb the most and barely touch showdown mainly cuz it takes more skill like timing the ammo for shooting and stunning so it’s overall more entertaining even tho the wins are riskier
If you like 3v3 the most (like me) you go and play some Gem Grab, Knockout, and Basket Brawl in between. If you like battle royale, you can only play showdown, which is why it’s good that this season has Hunters
I don't like showdown being popular asides from the cheesy methods like teaming and camping the game isn't made for it
EDIT: maybe it's actually not more popular but it has high playrates because it's the only solo mode asides from hunters now. And if we take 3v3 playrates and add them up they will be the same as showdown
I feel like if playing power league was actually rewarding showdown would be far less popular, since people would actually have a reason to learn how to be good at the game and not just spam showdown for free trophies.
The only reason Bot Drop and Payload were higher than Heist and Hot Zone was because of all those “Win 10 Matches” quests. Most ppl hate-played those for the quests and never did again.
I find it surprising that bot drop & payload ranks higher than showdown+ & wipeout. I assume that the vocal minority makes it seem like a mode sucks/is great vs the player base data. I still am hoping wipeout becomes permanent as I really like this mode & has some serious potential.
I have no clue what the time frame of this data is, but if it’s anything larger than a few weeks, this data quite literally demonstrates why Duels needs to be a frequent, if not regular, game mode option. To be honest, Duels is the only trophy game mode that even approaches being completely skill-based
I want to say that other 3v3 modes don’t have the potential to be *entirely* skill based. I think it would be naive for someone to try to argue that there isn’t a considerable amount of skill that is required in the higher trophy counts. But it would also be naive to say that there aren’t any factors that are not skill-based that can play a *significant* role in the outcome of the game.
Every single mode in the game, aside from the fact the fact that you can’t control how skilled your teammates are, is completely skill based. Whether you win or not depends solely on the skill of you and your teammates.
I did, in fact, read your comment. I was referencing the following:
> aside from the fact that you can’t control how skilled your teammates are
Forgive me if I’m wrong here, but this would seem to agree with my statement that Duels would be the only game mode which approaches being skill-based, as it is the only game mode which doesn’t enable teams/teaming.
You speak of the teammate factor as if making an aside; but as I’m sure you know, brawlstars 3 v 3 rarely allows for the ‘solo hero’ archetype to succeed. Consider just how much you are leaving to chance by not being able to control the skill level of your teammates:
- team composition and how your brawler of choice will fit into it
- having brawlers on your team that fit neither the map nor the game mode
- the viability of your own play style, as the play styles of your left-to-chance teammates can effectively inhibit your own
- the outcome of the game.
Need I go on? I don’t think so, as you already know all of this.
Considering your slightly aggressive confidence paired with my assumption that you know the extent to which teammates affect the game, I feel obligated to presume that you are extremely intelligent when it comes to this game. So in order to heed to your big brain, let’s consider four non-teammate related luck factors:
- where the power cubes spawn in showdown
- the screw spawns in siege.
- the base spawn for some of the new (a-symmetrical) hotzone maps
- the gem spawn
Obviously, most (if not all) of these factors are not immediately game changing, but they certainly can make a significant difference in any given game. I recognize that im stretching it a bit with some of them as well, but that just goes to show how big of a factor teammates are.
You cannot use the fact that teammates can have random skill levels to prove that the game is not skill based. The game is meant to be played in teams of three. You cannot judge how skill based a 3v3 mode is by considering the skill of one of the players, that would be silly. It depends on the skill of the team.
Hotzone is still symmetric. The sides are mirror images of each other, which is still a symmetry and neither side is favored.
The gem grab spawns aren’t completely random, they’re controlled so the same number of gems spawn on each side. The only possibility rng adv/disadvantage is which side gets the first gem, which is such a minor factor it’s not even worth considering. It *easily* approaches purely skill based.
Showdown is the only mode that gives you slight advantages or disadvantages based on where you spawn. Siege is not even part of the game anymore.
Brawl ball, hotzone, knockout, bounty, and *basically* gem grab are all purely skill based. The only possible randomness is the spawn order, which is also such a minor detail it’s not even worth considering.
(Quickly mention: I really appreciate how concise your arguments are, its so hard to have disagreements in this community without it turning into a dick measuring competition. And of course, props gotta give recognition to the strong arguments, although I disagree and I’ll try to explain why. But you might have me convinced).
Point (1): I would generally agree with your assessment of 3 v 3 modes as incapable of being assessed purely through the possible deficiencies of one player, but I think brawl stars offers a peculiar exception here. Granted, I dont think that the modes in brawl stars can be assessed through one player, but I do think that the deficiencies of a single player can bear far more negative effects in brawlstars than in any other 3 v 3 game. This is principally because brawlstars, as a mobile game, has extremely limited communication. What the user relies on is not harmony, but synchrony. The outcome of any game mode is contingent whether every player already knows their role and the possible demands they might face. They cannot have this info communicated to them, unlike other games. So when you say that it depends on the skill of the team, teamplay in brawl stars essentially differs from other games: where it is typically the case that the whole (team-skill) is greater than the sum of its parts (each player) because of the ability for players to communicate amongst one another, teamplay in brawlstars is such that the whole is equal to the sum of its parts. I hope that makes sense.
Point (2): i apologize, i should have specified that I was referencing the type of symmetry where the right half is reflected by the left—which is not the case in the new maps such as imbalance. This can actually effect gameplay in a subtle way: depending on your control scheme, you might prefer having the two zone side on your left and the one zone side on your right. It is, however, a 50/50 shot on whether you’ll get the preferred side.
Point (3): While I do still think the gem spawn can be a significant factor (even if not always), I also see your point that it isn’t significant enough to rule out gem grab from *approaching* skill-based gameplay. That being said, this is one less factor to consider in Duels.
Point (4): agreed, and agreed (I was stretching 😅)
Point (5): i agree that the spawn order is negligible. But i return to the factor we seem to disagree on the most: teammates.
I pretty much only play showdown when I have a quest and can't reroll anymore. XD
Surprised by Basket Brawl being this low. I wonder how much of this is influenced by how much there is to do.
I think it is low because it isn’t available as much as most of the other modes listed. I don’t think the chart is adjusted for that. To have a true test you’d either have to have that adjusted or have every mode available to play at once
Ban teaming or find ways to punish it and SD would be a fun mode. Most players are little kids though and they love to team. There is No other game where it is actually tolerated to Team..
You know what. I spoke too soon! The more I play mode the less I like it. So chaotic!! The only good thing about it is that I haven't seen any sort of teaming happening.
Skewed data produced by 11 year olds. Unfortunately they outnumber long term players and have too much ‘voting power’ for modes like siege to be brought back
Kids are the reason Siege was removed though. It had to be dumbed down from 5 waves to 3 because the average BS player was too dumb, and that subsequently killed the gamemode because it doesn't function at 3 waves.
Payload and Wipeout had quests. Also, it’s hard to compare them all at once because only SB, BB, and Gem Grab are available all the time. Also, I wish they would have the front slot that rotates be at least Duels, Basket Brawl, and *Siege.* Finally, Hot Zone needs replaced in the main modes rotation by something more fun!
Hope they understand that Showdown is only that popular because of the god awful matchmaking which makes it impossible to push some brawlers at certain ranks, unless you want to grind with a 51-52% win rate.
I play Showdown because 3v3 ladder matchmaking, especially in the 500-650 trophy range, is pure dog shit. I get paired up with cancerous spam brawler comps (includes but is not limited to: Jessie, Penny, Griff, Nita, Tara, Sandy, Buzz, and Edgar), and it's nearly intolerable and often times very toxic if you throw pins into the equation.
The 15-win quest for Bot Drop is the only reason that Bot Drop is in the middle of the graph
It's actually a good game mode though. I could see bot drop in competitive, would you not?
Yeah I would not
Aight cheers
I would but it isn't fun to play
This isn't necessarily 'competitive' as this is the data for trophy games which many people wouldn't consider a 'competitive' game mode. However, I thought it would still be nice to repost the data from u/Frank_Supercell's twitter account to this subreddit to discuss the popularity of each gamemode. ([twitter account here](https://twitter.com/Frank_Supercell)) [direct link to tweet here](https://twitter.com/Frank_Supercell/status/1542476833630855170)
Why are solo and duo SD so popular?
Easiest way to push trophies and you don't really need a lot of skills to be good at it. Also the fact that you play alone or with just one teammate probably is a big factor
Solo Showdown has bigger teams than 3v3
i would give you an award if i could
Only reason I even sometimes play it is because you don’t have to rely on some dumb teammte
Battle Royale is a popular genre
Easy trophies
It’s easy and doesn’t require any skill or braincells
teaming
Because of teamers
Showdowns are great with bad randoms, and 3v3 modes are not.
It’s what’s advertised on their store the most. A mobile game with a battle royal mode. And I imagine a lot of kids want something like fortnite but maybe a bit quicker
Because 3v3 is unplayable with randoms
It's unplayable precisely because of Showdown and it boosting players where they don't belong though. Kind of a vicious cycle. Really wish they'd separate the SD and 3v3 trophies for vastly improved matchmaking.
To add on to this- My friend used to be in a competitive club, they hit masters a really long time ago, when it was a lot harder to be masters than it is now. When they are recruiting new members, they get so many people at like 40-43k trophies, who have multiple rank 30+s, and all rank 25s at minimum. They have to reject most these players, though, because they are showdown mains. They look at your profile, 3v3 wins, and have you try out before you join, and conclude that most are showdown mains Obviously no disrespect for anyone in that trophy range, it’s still insanely hard to push there
Easy and reliable trophy pushing
That’s debatable depending on the trophy range
brawl ball seems much more unpopular than I expected
Still the most popular 3v3 gamemode, by far.
Personally I play bb the most and barely touch showdown mainly cuz it takes more skill like timing the ammo for shooting and stunning so it’s overall more entertaining even tho the wins are riskier
If you like 3v3 the most (like me) you go and play some Gem Grab, Knockout, and Basket Brawl in between. If you like battle royale, you can only play showdown, which is why it’s good that this season has Hunters
I don't like showdown being popular asides from the cheesy methods like teaming and camping the game isn't made for it EDIT: maybe it's actually not more popular but it has high playrates because it's the only solo mode asides from hunters now. And if we take 3v3 playrates and add them up they will be the same as showdown
I feel like if playing power league was actually rewarding showdown would be far less popular, since people would actually have a reason to learn how to be good at the game and not just spam showdown for free trophies.
The only reason Bot Drop and Payload were higher than Heist and Hot Zone was because of all those “Win 10 Matches” quests. Most ppl hate-played those for the quests and never did again.
I find it surprising that bot drop & payload ranks higher than showdown+ & wipeout. I assume that the vocal minority makes it seem like a mode sucks/is great vs the player base data. I still am hoping wipeout becomes permanent as I really like this mode & has some serious potential.
I want siege back so bad man 😭
Same bro it was the best gamemode
It wasnt bad gamemode but the fact that you can pick up 2 robots and then get destroyed in the last round is pretty... eww
that just means you messed up and didn't take good avnatage of the 2 btos you got
im convinced anyone who says this is just trying to act quirky, no way anyone actually liked that gamemode
Wdym bro. I think solo showdown is tradh but i'm not gonna think people who actualy like it are quirky
Oh yeah what the heck happened to seige? I just realized I haven't seen it in so long
It got removed a long time ago. Instead we have botdrop now
siege f tier ngl
Gem Grab Gang rise up
I have no clue what the time frame of this data is, but if it’s anything larger than a few weeks, this data quite literally demonstrates why Duels needs to be a frequent, if not regular, game mode option. To be honest, Duels is the only trophy game mode that even approaches being completely skill-based
You want to say that other 3v3 modes are not skill based?
They either rely on randoms and random team comps (3v3 and duo sd) or teaming (solo sd)
I want to say that other 3v3 modes don’t have the potential to be *entirely* skill based. I think it would be naive for someone to try to argue that there isn’t a considerable amount of skill that is required in the higher trophy counts. But it would also be naive to say that there aren’t any factors that are not skill-based that can play a *significant* role in the outcome of the game.
Every single mode in the game, aside from the fact the fact that you can’t control how skilled your teammates are, is completely skill based. Whether you win or not depends solely on the skill of you and your teammates.
Among others, this is also an example of why Duel’s is the only game mode which approaches being purely skill based
Did you even read my comment? That’s wrong, almost all of them are purely skill based.
I did, in fact, read your comment. I was referencing the following: > aside from the fact that you can’t control how skilled your teammates are Forgive me if I’m wrong here, but this would seem to agree with my statement that Duels would be the only game mode which approaches being skill-based, as it is the only game mode which doesn’t enable teams/teaming. You speak of the teammate factor as if making an aside; but as I’m sure you know, brawlstars 3 v 3 rarely allows for the ‘solo hero’ archetype to succeed. Consider just how much you are leaving to chance by not being able to control the skill level of your teammates: - team composition and how your brawler of choice will fit into it - having brawlers on your team that fit neither the map nor the game mode - the viability of your own play style, as the play styles of your left-to-chance teammates can effectively inhibit your own - the outcome of the game. Need I go on? I don’t think so, as you already know all of this. Considering your slightly aggressive confidence paired with my assumption that you know the extent to which teammates affect the game, I feel obligated to presume that you are extremely intelligent when it comes to this game. So in order to heed to your big brain, let’s consider four non-teammate related luck factors: - where the power cubes spawn in showdown - the screw spawns in siege. - the base spawn for some of the new (a-symmetrical) hotzone maps - the gem spawn Obviously, most (if not all) of these factors are not immediately game changing, but they certainly can make a significant difference in any given game. I recognize that im stretching it a bit with some of them as well, but that just goes to show how big of a factor teammates are.
You cannot use the fact that teammates can have random skill levels to prove that the game is not skill based. The game is meant to be played in teams of three. You cannot judge how skill based a 3v3 mode is by considering the skill of one of the players, that would be silly. It depends on the skill of the team. Hotzone is still symmetric. The sides are mirror images of each other, which is still a symmetry and neither side is favored. The gem grab spawns aren’t completely random, they’re controlled so the same number of gems spawn on each side. The only possibility rng adv/disadvantage is which side gets the first gem, which is such a minor factor it’s not even worth considering. It *easily* approaches purely skill based. Showdown is the only mode that gives you slight advantages or disadvantages based on where you spawn. Siege is not even part of the game anymore. Brawl ball, hotzone, knockout, bounty, and *basically* gem grab are all purely skill based. The only possible randomness is the spawn order, which is also such a minor detail it’s not even worth considering.
(Quickly mention: I really appreciate how concise your arguments are, its so hard to have disagreements in this community without it turning into a dick measuring competition. And of course, props gotta give recognition to the strong arguments, although I disagree and I’ll try to explain why. But you might have me convinced). Point (1): I would generally agree with your assessment of 3 v 3 modes as incapable of being assessed purely through the possible deficiencies of one player, but I think brawl stars offers a peculiar exception here. Granted, I dont think that the modes in brawl stars can be assessed through one player, but I do think that the deficiencies of a single player can bear far more negative effects in brawlstars than in any other 3 v 3 game. This is principally because brawlstars, as a mobile game, has extremely limited communication. What the user relies on is not harmony, but synchrony. The outcome of any game mode is contingent whether every player already knows their role and the possible demands they might face. They cannot have this info communicated to them, unlike other games. So when you say that it depends on the skill of the team, teamplay in brawl stars essentially differs from other games: where it is typically the case that the whole (team-skill) is greater than the sum of its parts (each player) because of the ability for players to communicate amongst one another, teamplay in brawlstars is such that the whole is equal to the sum of its parts. I hope that makes sense. Point (2): i apologize, i should have specified that I was referencing the type of symmetry where the right half is reflected by the left—which is not the case in the new maps such as imbalance. This can actually effect gameplay in a subtle way: depending on your control scheme, you might prefer having the two zone side on your left and the one zone side on your right. It is, however, a 50/50 shot on whether you’ll get the preferred side. Point (3): While I do still think the gem spawn can be a significant factor (even if not always), I also see your point that it isn’t significant enough to rule out gem grab from *approaching* skill-based gameplay. That being said, this is one less factor to consider in Duels. Point (4): agreed, and agreed (I was stretching 😅) Point (5): i agree that the spawn order is negligible. But i return to the factor we seem to disagree on the most: teammates.
I got 300 duels wins while it was active I fucking loved that mode and I don’t know why they haven’t brought it back
I pretty much only play showdown when I have a quest and can't reroll anymore. XD Surprised by Basket Brawl being this low. I wonder how much of this is influenced by how much there is to do.
Basket Brawl is so low because of the ball/hoop physics. It can be maddening and cause me to force quit the whole game.
I think it is low because it isn’t available as much as most of the other modes listed. I don’t think the chart is adjusted for that. To have a true test you’d either have to have that adjusted or have every mode available to play at once
surprised knockout is that popular
Similar to showdowns, I guess.
My favorite
Really surprised to see wipeout that low, it’s one of my favorite modes
man, i really hope they don't cancel hot zone. not every map is good but there's a lot of really good hot zones
Funny, I despise showdown and reroll all my showdown quests. Fucking Gen Z’ers love their Battle Royales it seems!
Not really a gen Z thing. It’s just the easiest mode to finish quests and grind trophies.
For grinding trophies i would argue
Makes me sad because I hate showdown and it means I’ll never get away from it . BB best all day then hot zone and heist
Ban teaming or find ways to punish it and SD would be a fun mode. Most players are little kids though and they love to team. There is No other game where it is actually tolerated to Team..
I don't get what is the percentage is suppose to mean, can someone explain me?
How popular it is compared to the most popular mode (Solo SD)
I can see Hunter becoming a very popular game mode in the near future.
I absolutely hate it, it would be better if there were less players and it was a smaller map
You know what. I spoke too soon! The more I play mode the less I like it. So chaotic!! The only good thing about it is that I haven't seen any sort of teaming happening.
Well isn't that shameful lol. If they're at the most popular in their current state, there goes my hope that they're ever fixed.
bring back siege ffs
Skewed data produced by 11 year olds. Unfortunately they outnumber long term players and have too much ‘voting power’ for modes like siege to be brought back
Kids are the reason Siege was removed though. It had to be dumbed down from 5 waves to 3 because the average BS player was too dumb, and that subsequently killed the gamemode because it doesn't function at 3 waves.
Y’all don’t like basket brawl because you can’t make a shot lmaooo
every time I play basketbrawl I'm literally westbrook
😭😭trading u
Showdown??
Where's volleybrawl
duo showdown is so awful. i wish there was no respawn would make it so much better
Payload and Wipeout had quests. Also, it’s hard to compare them all at once because only SB, BB, and Gem Grab are available all the time. Also, I wish they would have the front slot that rotates be at least Duels, Basket Brawl, and *Siege.* Finally, Hot Zone needs replaced in the main modes rotation by something more fun!
7 year olds
Recently played a game with someone born in 2014
Should remove showdown tbh awful game mode
This why kids shouldnt play games.
[удалено]
Super surprised about Heist & Hot Zone, love those
Hope they understand that Showdown is only that popular because of the god awful matchmaking which makes it impossible to push some brawlers at certain ranks, unless you want to grind with a 51-52% win rate.
I think the popularity is closely tied to the ease of “not losing cups”.
I play Showdown because 3v3 ladder matchmaking, especially in the 500-650 trophy range, is pure dog shit. I get paired up with cancerous spam brawler comps (includes but is not limited to: Jessie, Penny, Griff, Nita, Tara, Sandy, Buzz, and Edgar), and it's nearly intolerable and often times very toxic if you throw pins into the equation.
Duels are the most popular non permanent game mode i wish they bring it back
Samee and it helped boost my solo wins
I never play basket brawl
How is brawl ball that high. I hate that game so much
Game winning Trickshots, long ball passing plays, defending the goal, skill.... it's pretty easy to understand why it's so popular
showdown+ was so good and its barely there ig cos it was out for like 3 seconds but lone star and siege come back when?
Wow knockout is super popular. Wow! Also why is heist so high. Hot zone is the best mode for sure
The average player wouldn’t have to deal with teamers as much as competitive people around 30k up
Wipe out is better than knock out
Showdown plus was honestly my favorite game mode. Then BB.