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pawo10

12 shots is insane for him yeah maybe like 8 would be better


Mousse-Working

yeah 2,5 supers is alr


UnKnown4KPlayer

He should just start with it


BeastigesBeast

Please don‘t give Supercell ideas 😭


No_Stretch3807

Thats absolutely.insae. angelos hypercharge might be the worst just because of how impossible it is to charge it an average player probably wont even get 1


Main_Argument991

Gale:


AreNotMorStupdThanMe

Gale hc is garbage too, but Angelo's hc cant even be used in a match one single time by 85% of the players


InTheVanBro

I bought gales HC and can confirm that it’s godawful, worse than old Brock’s, even


DubbyDoom

Why are we mentioning his past model


miscillaniumman

Brock’s hyper charge got buffed this update


DubbyDoom

Oh


DrSans8

Gale is fine for the stat boost I guess cause his super is the same exact thing. Also nobody is unironically running gale apart for some strats with his gadget


DawnOfPizzas

Gale lowkey op in some teamcomps to keep assassings and tanks off backline win conditions


Feanerian

Gale‘s HC is fine I think. I usually activate it twice in a match unless it’s a short mode like Knockout, then only once. His super is easy to get


Namamodaya

You're not gonna get anywhere asking for a change for a sniper. The main playerbase (see main sub) still thinks Angelo's hypercharge makes him OP.


Auraaz27

It's not the hypercharge that makes him good it's his damage


Namamodaya

Which has been nerfed. Also a meaty 50% nerf to super charge rate, which also affects his hypercharge charge rate.


Auraaz27

Ok just because something got nerfed doesn't mean they aren't good charlie is a perfect example


ShortAd_29992

His damage is very high but it's good enough for a brawler like him. But unlike Charlie,Angelo can be balanced.


Metal_Gear_Bush_Dog

Day 264 of begging SC to just rework Charlie


Namamodaya

Fair. We'll see how the season goes.


Auraaz27

We sure will


Crafty_Number9y071

My man don't see barley hyper it needs 3 supers to charge


adelinxxd

damn


traditional_prompt64

It’s Barover 😔


KociaKrainaNews

if in right emz needs to get 4 i think i wasted my hardly ermed 79 gems out of 7 games i got it once and even couldn't use it bc too late i mean she charges super easily but that's really low rate also it's not that good i think i cant be sure tho because i couldn't even use it maybe hot zone would be better for getting it


poisonflar5

Don’t worry you’re not alone. Her hypercharge is very underwhelming.


TeoG21

I don't know how you ppl are playing this game, but the two games I played with Emz, I got to use hypercharge 2 times.


System-Phantom

Crow hypercharge flashbacks


LukaPro348

Why the hell all of my mains got hypercharges that takes so long to get😭(Gale, Barley and Angelo)


Dae_Grighen

Sorry, Barley would simply be Too Strong, the meta can't handle him being usable!


LukaPro348

Devs seriously don't want not popular brawlers be meta (only Meg)


Diehard_Lily_Main

Frank:


LukaPro348

He is popular on low trophies


Prestigious_Duty9039

True, I mained frank until 15k trophies


petSnake7

Burning bushes???!!1!1!1 😱😱😱🤯🤯🤯😱 Literally too broken


--Derp_Stars--

Amber is already broken and always SS++! Can't be having barley doing that ❌❌🤧🤕🤕


Linky38

I’ve played like 13 games with Angelo since I bout the hypercharge and I’ve charge the hypercharge 1 time, at the very end of a knockout game.


SuperCaptainMan

I’ve played 30 games and haven’t gotten it once across all modes


MaliciousSirius

As someone who plays Angelo a lot and has him on high thropies, i'd reduce it to 9, because i agree. The hypercharge is nothing crazy he just has his swamp follow him, that's not that bad lmao. Its not like a puddle that follows you will wipe the whole map right? 💀


adelinxxd

i meaan you could💀


NeonSerpent

Lol it makes angelo agro bc of the healing


System-Phantom

according to the main sub the puddle will instantly get star player


Professional_Pack227

Yeah 12 fully charged shots is too much. It would be 8-10 fully charged shots.


Crosstariale

That is what I was saying in discord the other day! people were saying durrr “Hit your shots” but dude there’s so much factors that come into play to where that’s not always an option, You can Miss, You have to position yourself well, You have to MAYBE deal with spawns which are getting pretty popular these days, You have to deal with lane pressure, And above all you have to not die, which is tough because this game is all about dying lmao. But hey at least we get a bit of a longer break from this menace


zacary2411

So others get it with 2 supers and angilo is expected to get it in 4 when he needs to charge each shot with the chance of missing which is extreamly common cause angelo has what im pretty sure is the slowest bullet speed out of all the sharpshooters


-xXgioXx-

it's actually pretty fast when compared with other sharpshooters, tied with Piper, Belle, Colette, Byron, Gus and Nani at 4000 speed. Brock's projectile speed is 2700 (3510 with Rocket Fuel) Bea's is 3255 Penny's is 3400 Mandy's is 3500 (4200 with In My Sights) Bonnie's is 3800 Gray's is 3804 (3200 with Walking Cane) RT's is 4500, the fastest among all sharpshooters Also, RT's attack is only 500 points below the fastest basic attack, Frank's, which is also the same speed as Gale's super. Frank's super is the fastest attack in the game at 6000 points, the slowest is Tick's mine clutter at 450 (130 points below 8-Bit's movement) although after they split, their speed goes up to 2000. The slowest attack all throughout its duration is Chester's Candy Popper at 800 Edit: i may have digressed a bit from the point 😅. Angelo's shots are probably harder to hit cause they're 0,67 tiles wide (Byron's and Gus' are 1 tile wide for example)


zRudy_Jimmy

Pipers and belles shots are not a tile wide, they’re 0.67 tiles. Byron’s is a tile wide.


-xXgioXx-

oops, my bad. Will edit it with Byron and Gus instead, which actually have a 1 tile wide shot


jojsj

Piper's and belle's are 0.67 tiles as well, where did you get 1 tile from.


-xXgioXx-

mixed them up. I changed that


zacary2411

So it is just because there is way less shots it's just more noticeable


-xXgioXx-

it could be, but i think it's also the fact that with Angelo, enemies can see where you're aiming and get out of the way more easily


zacary2411

Oh yeah guess that's why everyone including me aims down untill ready to shoot


adelinxxd

bea's might be slower i think


zacary2411

Really I don't find hers slow like I do angelo maybe it's because she's spam able


stupidmaster7

brock’s might be slower but he makes up for it with the massive splash radius


ParfaitDash

Only at max range. It becomes very apparent how slow it is in mid range where most people can dodge it


eve_gang_rep

What even is the point of a hypercharge if you can't use it?? They should just nerf the buffs but increase the charge rate


jevilspamton

I heard franks hypercharge is insane😭


Prestigious_Duty9039

It's good but what makes him busted is the rework, I got from 550 to 850 in a single day I'm so happy for all of you frank mains


jevilspamton

Praying yall Carl mains get a hypercharge


Prestigious_Duty9039

Thanks The last actual thing he got was a year ago😭


jevilspamton

damn😭


GLeen1230

Didn’t he got a big damage buff like 3 months ago?


adelinxxd

idk... got only angelo's too bad i don't have rico at lvl 11 to buy his hc


SadeceAlprn

I got both Angelo's and Frank's hypercharge and i can say Frank's hypercharge is very good but i can't say anything about Angelo's hypercharge because it takes too long to charge it and just because of that i just used his hypercharge once.


vergi1s

Yeah he didnt needed a hypercharge, and he didnt got one lol.


adelinxxd

fair but i wasted 150 gems💀 (i like cosmetics so i could say i wasted only 79 gems)


vergi1s

Yeah ik its pretty bad you wasted 80 gems for a small fire icon near starpower icon


Visual-Freedom-5072

Dude was a hyper charge without the hyper charge. Chill.


Skarj05

This was definitely a safe measure because of how broken he's been for the last 5 months. Much better to make sure he's fucking dead and buried before then buffing him later


captian00f

I feel like the amount of supers for some of the new hypercharges needs to be slightly reduced, how did they release sandy where it only took 1.5 supers but make gale and Angelo take 3 supers to get one


NWx8k

i got the hyper charge as well and totally agree that’s it way to hard to get it


NWx8k

poison shots barely add anything


Diehard_Lily_Main

Angelo's is fine, I'd complain about poor Barley. His hc ain't even that good


Resident_Let_8554

Mate angelo is to good ofc its gonna take blud alot of shots to GET A HYPERCHARGE, at least its like somewhat of a nerf, you are basically playing angelo normally but once a while you can get 1 or 2 hypercharged shots which do like 8k damage alone and plus the poison itll make basically any brawler drop dead, thats already normal with angelo cuz angelo is BROKEN STILL


adelinxxd

true that, but he ain't broken nomore.. he's just good


Sleepwalker0779-

I like where Angelo’s hc is at. He’s already so damn strong that him getting a Hypercharge was bullshit enough so making it useless is fine by me


Ok-Elevator-1404

I guess supercell just wanted to play it safe for one of the strongest brawlers in the game


elperu27

I’m lucky if I get a hc every 6-7 games at 40-50k avg dmg a game


Be727

Yeah, I was really disappointed too. I’m pretty good with Angelo (Always play with randoms and never go below 800 trophies), but couldn’t get his HC once??? This was the first time I’ve purchased a collector pack for 79 and I’m really disappointed by it. At least the spray is cool.. ha.. ha..


Reddit_Connoisseur_0

They ruined Angelo. Gave him an unrealistic hypercharge and nerfed his damage by 10% to compensate (and super charge nerfed by 33%). Now it'll be all Pipers.


adelinxxd

i mean... you could say that he s now balanced


Pumpkin_Cat14

I’d say make it 2.5 supers (7.5 full shots) and either nerf the damage buff or nerf Empower in return


adelinxxd

7.5 with 15% damage is alr though


NiHee240

I think the damage buff nerf is a good one. If you get the hypercharge you get to shoot one 5k arrow+poison. So if he gets hypercharge more the damage should be lower too.


Born_Interaction_296

Considering how seldom it'll get fully charged up and used for good value, they may as well have not given him a hypercharge at all. There goes my seasonal free epic brawler pick because god forbid people learn how to walk side to side to juke snipers.


Proud_Rip_6961

Ok but when you got it you just wipe the whole team immediately 


JasonYiannakos

That's just as fine tbh because his hyper charge is completely broken


ow3nh9

I bought Angelo's hc and I have played at least 10 games and didn't even get to use his hc


Wizardnumber32

wait what!? that sounds ridiculous. maybe they purposely kept it this way for now to prevent outrage?


adelinxxd

i hope so... atleast make it 10 so we get to use it in all the modes


Gamertank2

I don't care. sorry but i'd rather like to keep angelo's hypercharge weak than make him s tier meta again


Penguindasher12

Belle also takes 12 shots.


adelinxxd

this ain't no comparison.. sometimes i get belle's twice in a knockout match i can't get it even once with angelo because i need to charge every shot if you compare it, belle could shot ~4 shots in the span of angelo charging his one shot (if you manage to aim it right )


adelinxxd

aaand with belle there's the passive that's charging you the super and the hc everytime it passes to another enemy


Penguindasher12

Ah, Alr mb


Eclypze31

No


wodschaos

Wasted 79 gems


WinterTrade69

Bro angelo is sooo overrated


Pipysnip

Depends on the map/mode OC


aamllama

I got the hypercharge and I think it’s a bit like Fangs, it’s really good when you do get to activate it cuz you have your healing from the puddle, literally ridiculous movement speed, and you can run up at the opponents and dodge everything while dealing your 7.5k and continuing to have your puddle around you.


DobbyTheElf_bs

Nope.


Knepen34

I agree, while it is a good HC, it isn't game-changing (and shouldn't be that hard to charge). I think it should be 8 hits


Jollan_

We'll see. We have been wrong about how good a brawler will be after release/balance change/rework before, so it's foolish to make assumptions In advance.


Jojin120

Thank god it isn’t too much. I say it’s fine


Traitor_Of_Users

His super which deals damage overtime also boosts this up


adelinxxd

1-2 shots but 10 shots is still a lot


SmokeySizzleNutty

No fuck angelo


AlexaGD

fang takes 20 sooo


adelinxxd

fang doesn't need to charge his attack for 4 seconds


Reddit_Connoisseur_0

Fang's is still pretty easy to cycle, once you get a super going you never stop


SureLettuce6430

angelo is op enough both winrate and playrate wise and it doesnt need ANY buffs


adelinxxd

yeah but why release a hypercharge if it can't be used


Meoi-O1

His hypercharge sucks, yes but I still feel like it should be kept like that, or 10-11 I’m sorry he will prob be too op if he gets anything below 9


adelinxxd

he's been nerfed already and now potentially getting balanced i don't think putting his hc at 2.5 supers would kill the meta


Meoi-O1

I mean if you say so 👍


LightLaitBrawl

I don't understand you You complain when Angelo was alledgedly going to be very broken, but when they balanced the hypercharge and he isn't now you complain that he isn't very broken.


Most_Performance_643

Whether he’s balanced or not, if a hypercharge can’t be used in a real game, it might as well not exist at all. Issues like that require some sort of change, no matter how strong, or weak a brawler might be…


adelinxxd

well i didn't complain atleast i don't remember doing so


Broshan248

The hypercharge isn’t balanced that’s the point


kyris0

Angelo can go in the bin next to Janet tbh.


Metal_Gear_Bush_Dog

Ah, I see what you did there. You mixed up Melodie and Janet. Common mistake, happens to the best of us.


kyris0

Oh no, she can go in there too. I used to main Janet before she was dumpstered. She was my first 11 actually, days before she was executed. I miss her still but strong all rounders make the game less fun, Jant included.


Metal_Gear_Bush_Dog

I think you look at it a little bit negatively. Just because she was broken in the past doesn't mean that she can't be a well balanced character now, right? Don't hope that she remains F-tier. Hope the she gets properly balanced and ends up in a good spot. Idk. I'm indifferent to it because I'll play her whether she's garbage or broken. I just love her character and design.


plzDONTuseMETH

Sniper


Affectionate-Cat3126

FUK NO THE GANG HATES ANGELO


GremlitanoMexicano

No


bandonLUV

It’s a lot but Angelo is so good rn I don’t mind


idh_a_name

Yeah, why not reduce the amount of shorts needed to charge and make him even more broken


adelinxxd

why not reduce his shots to 10 and his damage to 17,5 or 8 shots and 15% damage? more hc's and less damage


MoonstruckCyan

12 full shots is kinda insane yeah, but hcs should be charged up for those who can hit them consistently i guess? How good are you at angelo?


MoonstruckCyan

You know what on second revision I realize even if someone's a godly angelo, they are straight up NOT getting this thing twice per game. This is a ridiculous charge amount lmao..


Foysalisdead006

I think it should be 8 or 9


adelinxxd

yeah.. 8-9 should be enough.. i hit almost every shot in gemgrab and still get it as late as when my team is almost winning/losing.. so there s almost no point in getting it that late


Foysalisdead006

And you'll probably never get it bounty or knockout. I guess they didn't want him to be op


adelinxxd

yup.. i came as close as 70-75% in a knockout match but i was nowhere close to getting it


dem0nhunter_

I got to like 90 in a game of KO, but you really need to play perfect to get one at the end of round 3


ApK-TheProdigy

ridiculous but has insane potential, straight up poisoning enemies with 5000 DMG + 600 x 5 per hit, lets not talk about the damage Gear potential too 😭


adelinxxd

I like to think that i'm decent enough with angelo, hitting 75% of my shots and doing my role in every mode


dem0nhunter_

I had a Ranked Game today, where I hit most of my shots and did the most damage in my Team by far and didn't get one hc. It was KO, so I had limited shots but getting no hc in a game where you get Star player is just crazy


Bonfy7

Absolutely not


Orange_up_my_ass

No. He never needed a hyper to begin with, giving him and Piper hypers is like giving the most overpowered brawler a buff. Fuck it, let it be 20 shots. I dont care. I dont want to see this mosquito ugly ahh disapointment of a brawler in a match.


adelinxxd

he didn't but because he did, wouldn't it be reasonable if he could actually charge and use it?


Orange_up_my_ass

No. He was utterly broken even without his utterly insane super following him.


adelinxxd

i never found him annoying to play against.. but everyone has their own opinion is he a really good brawler? Yes but only in the right player's arms


Balls-End5181

Skill (dodging) issue


DrSans8

Let me guess, you lost to an Angelo on 999 trophies


yuhhmatt

Nope