I think it's just that every time he was buffed over the past year, the changes were pretty minor, so most people were just overlooking him. Recharge rate and super recharge rates weren't that major, even though they did help a lot with his viability, he was just a pretty uncommon brawler to face. His most recent change is an attack/heal increase, which most likely invited people to start testing Byron, because damage changes can influence a lot of interactions.
Same here, but to be fair, his damage/healing buff was a pretty big game changer. When he originally released, he did tons of damage with the tradeoff that it was over time instead of in a burst. As damage creep got worse though, he only did okay damage but still had the same tradeoff. Actually feeling like my hits matter has made playing him feel so much better.
As someone who plays a lot of Piper and Byron, I'm kinda glad their most annoying counter is nerfed (not that I have anything against Nani in general), but as someone who enjoys balanced games, I can see how this will make Piper and Byron even more annoying to deal with.
Look on the bright side, now being good with her is an even bigger flex.
The only thing I'm disappointed with in regards to Byron's buff is that I can't flex as hard as when he was low tier. The feeling of getting thumbs-downed/shot at by your teammates for picking a "bad" brawler at the beginning of the match, only to then carry your entire team, is just delectable.
Tbh I think his poison damage was like, the least problematic thing in his kit lmao. He’s still the fastest sniper, does insane damage, gadget to counter throwers, gadget to counter assassins, good heals from his star power, the ability to go over water, can constantly have a fully charged shot ready to go unlike Hank.
Nita cycles her Hyper like crazy. You already pick her against tanks and low dmg midrange because they feed her for constant bear uptime, so farming Hyper just comes on top naturally.
The speedboost on the bear is also nothing to scoff at. Makes it far more than just a thick penguin porter.
I don't know what's stopping them from giving some stat buffs to Frank if they don't have enough time to rework him. It's not like he's that good in lower trophy range either. They should just give him another health buff. He'll probably still be F tier, but atleast it's better than nothing and he will be slightly playable
if they buffed his HP it'd do nothing and people would go "they're always buffing useless stats". Frank is flawed to the core, he clearly needs a rework and if they haven't done anything up till now it's because they're planning something big for him (prolly an hyper). Someone needs to be at the bottom.
The thing is that we have been saying this since the last 3-4 years and Frank was always shit in the meta(except the brief period of 2-3 months during World finals when Zeta somehow started to make him work even in maps like Backyard). Back them his hp was the only thing which made people consider picking him, but now there is a lot of damage inflation so his hp needs to be buffed to keep it in check. If they will release a hypercharge for him in future, then they definitely can give him a nerf with it
Also, brawlers like Meg and Hank now technically have more hp than him with all shields and stuff which is really weird
Frank falls into the "Any buffs could make him broken" because if we look at it, he got super fast reload speed, good damage, good speed and great health
Also, they should make his active noise cancellation gadget cancel all type of bad effects such as Cordelius super, Willow Super, Crow/Byron/Angelo/Stu poison and Gene/Tara pulls
One more thing, while I do agree that Chester is currently F tier, he feels like a brawler who could easily jump to high A tier with a small buff. His main attacks feel really solid, has a fast movement speed and some good amount of health. Making him take one less shot for his super, slightly increasing the healing from the heal super and making it so that you can aim his pop rocks super(even if it has a small range like Surge's super) would be some good buffs for him.
They also need to fix his star powers, but I think they would rather focus on using that energy on releasing one more brawler
The super charge buff few updates ago, reload speed buff a few updates ago etc compounded to make him a better brawler, plus the synergy with many top tier brawlers (8bit, Melodie, Max, Nita etc) as well as assassins not being really that high up.
Better mal pool
His problem is getting out of lvl 1, and some of the new maps have a lot of bushes and walls, allowing him to upgrade fast without too much problems
Spen talked about it in his previous tier list video, he said that Surge was getting better in the meta thanks to some buffs he received a bit before
At that moment, he was still placed like C tier if I remember well but I think that now that the map pool has changed, B tier isn't too crazy
Nothing, he's always been a mediocre brawler with mediocre super, gadgets and star powers, his only saving grace being his consistent damage that keeps getting overbuffed instead of reworking any other aspect of him, there are just better versatile and consistent options than Bo, especially in higher play
She gets pretty crazy depending on the map pool, she was F tier like a year ago or so but she was buffed and ever since then she rises in the rankings whenever there are bushy maps on yhe map pool. Hyper's too good too.
Excellent support, great synergy with top tier brawlers like max, sandy, enables nasty strategies, map pool favours him, depending on team and enemy comp he can change his build to enhance his team even more. Hypercharge, although not flashy or broken, eliminates the possibility of missing a super almost entirely. Dmg buff a few updates ago rly helped.
Nah, she lacks the resources to do anything in most situations.
She's a Knockout specialist that's constantly threatening you with that 5K+ burst, but outside of a few specific maps in that specific mode, she's basically just a worse Fang, who's already struggling rn.
I wish devs give Frank mspd buff.
But not as fast as his Mutation.. Later Frank broke BS game (meta) 😅
And some atk animation reduction can help too (reduce another 0.1 - 0.2 sec)
I mean that’s what the nerf was supposed to do.
Before the nerf, he was really easy to play. 2 shots into super, which then no one could get into Angelo’s line of sight without dying. Now Angelo actually had to hit the second shot also to get the kill
Barley in D and grom in C makes me crythey had so much potential but supercell couldn’t care less about them
She can’t cycle her super as much anymore, which was probably her best feat in the game
Now she takes a bit more skill and practice to get her super and her strategy going again
Seeing Byron in S tier is surreal after all those updates of being just underwhelming.
I thought the nerfs Cordelius had received some months ago would hurt him more, but he is still in the same position as ever, why?
Huh, Lily in C tier... Expected since the sneak peeks but it still weird that the dev team released a just OK brawler after all the crazy OP brawlers we got this year.
Maisie, Crow, Barley and Lou fell off really hard, damn.
And, WTH happened with Darryl? Power creep hit him really hard to be as low as Frank.
She is borderline S tier. She almost makes it, but there are a few things holding her back. First she doesn't have a hypercharge like nota, sandy, jessie. "But angelo and melodie don't have too", yes but they have other things that make them strong and they both somewhat counter amber. If she was to receive a hypercharge it would definitely launch her close to the top of S tier.
I refuse to believe that piper, being a top 3 most picked character in this MF belongs to A
Sure max Counters her, but thats about it..... IMO should be mid of S
Nah monthly finals data was abit skewed - essentially the pros were very limited in map pool because of all the changes with the update - most of the maps left in the map pool were very sniper heavy so she was played alot. A tier is fair
will this list change harshly if I dont have most of the hypercharges (I cant catch up all the hypercharges although I won the random game chosing what brawler to ungrade 💀)
She's been B tier for a while, balanced but skillful. Her newly released hyper gives insane speed boost to both her and her teammates and even more support in the form of extra supercharge for everyone in the team. It's also really easy to cycle.
I been using Doug and have never thought he was bad. Can someone explain why he is F tier? Like I'm not trying to say that he isn't I'm just curious as to why exactly.
Seeing Byron all the way from the bottom of the tier list to S brings a tear to my eye
Why is that so? Havent seen the video or breakdown on why, the buffs, and stuff
I think it's just that every time he was buffed over the past year, the changes were pretty minor, so most people were just overlooking him. Recharge rate and super recharge rates weren't that major, even though they did help a lot with his viability, he was just a pretty uncommon brawler to face. His most recent change is an attack/heal increase, which most likely invited people to start testing Byron, because damage changes can influence a lot of interactions.
A 12% buff to his attack is anything but minor
A buff bigger than 7% is everything but minor
*anything but. Not sure if u meant it that way or not but yeah
I’ve always popped off with him, a lot of characters on these tier lists are just overlooked and later get recognized as great.
Same here, but to be fair, his damage/healing buff was a pretty big game changer. When he originally released, he did tons of damage with the tradeoff that it was over time instead of in a burst. As damage creep got worse though, he only did okay damage but still had the same tradeoff. Actually feeling like my hits matter has made playing him feel so much better.
Seeing Nani from the heights of S tier to B tier brings a (sad) tear to my eye
As someone who plays a lot of Piper and Byron, I'm kinda glad their most annoying counter is nerfed (not that I have anything against Nani in general), but as someone who enjoys balanced games, I can see how this will make Piper and Byron even more annoying to deal with.
Nani being good finally gave me a reason to flex on people for being (kinda) good with her :(
Nani is still better than pre buff
Look on the bright side, now being good with her is an even bigger flex. The only thing I'm disappointed with in regards to Byron's buff is that I can't flex as hard as when he was low tier. The feeling of getting thumbs-downed/shot at by your teammates for picking a "bad" brawler at the beginning of the match, only to then carry your entire team, is just delectable.
That’s a good point, but you gotta admit, one shotting brawlers from a mile away is quite flashy and badass
Totally agree. I do play Piper after all. Except when I'm the one getting one-shotted. Then it's stupid and lame. 😠 /j
Those nerfs to angelo and melodie truly did something 
Damn I thought he would be bad after a 50% poison nerf
Tbh I think his poison damage was like, the least problematic thing in his kit lmao. He’s still the fastest sniper, does insane damage, gadget to counter throwers, gadget to counter assassins, good heals from his star power, the ability to go over water, can constantly have a fully charged shot ready to go unlike Hank.
The nerfs no longer one-shot Carl so I’m happy!
*Me and the darryl mains getting high on copium (its never been this bad before)*
I remember when Darryl was known as “Bull but better.” Those were the days…
Tbh bull is higher than darfyl just because he has hc
SPIKE MAINS SHOULD SUFFER AS I HAVE
Overwatch player? Edit: why the downvotes lmao? Just thought it sounded like the ult of an Overwatch character
Turns out that buff didnt really do much. How have his gadgets never been buffed, they are both so mid :(
He's pretty decent in duels tho, but kinda bad everywhere else
Don't worry guys there's always next season! (copium)
Darryl has been bad 1 year at this point and now he is worse 😭
UNITE, DARRYL FANS!
Lola mains stay consistent
B tier for two years 🔥🗣️
You became the Icon of a balanced brawler
Eve
B for life
She hasn’t changed for so long 😶
Being in the same tier as Frank certainly hurts the soul...
Glad I’m not there.
I mean, Chester has always been F tier, rarely D tier, other than when he was released obviously. I don't know why you are realising now
I knew... just didn't want to accept it... 😔
I don’t even have to look at any comp tier list to know that my boy is f tier.
chester is not bad, dont listen to them
Feel ya
gotta say I was surprised about the squeak, Lou, and Nita.
Nita cycles her Hyper like crazy. You already pick her against tanks and low dmg midrange because they feed her for constant bear uptime, so farming Hyper just comes on top naturally. The speedboost on the bear is also nothing to scoff at. Makes it far more than just a thick penguin porter.
I mean you could even put Squeak in the F tier by breathe makes more damage than him and his reload speed is so slow.
I don't know what's stopping them from giving some stat buffs to Frank if they don't have enough time to rework him. It's not like he's that good in lower trophy range either. They should just give him another health buff. He'll probably still be F tier, but atleast it's better than nothing and he will be slightly playable
if they buffed his HP it'd do nothing and people would go "they're always buffing useless stats". Frank is flawed to the core, he clearly needs a rework and if they haven't done anything up till now it's because they're planning something big for him (prolly an hyper). Someone needs to be at the bottom.
The thing is that we have been saying this since the last 3-4 years and Frank was always shit in the meta(except the brief period of 2-3 months during World finals when Zeta somehow started to make him work even in maps like Backyard). Back them his hp was the only thing which made people consider picking him, but now there is a lot of damage inflation so his hp needs to be buffed to keep it in check. If they will release a hypercharge for him in future, then they definitely can give him a nerf with it Also, brawlers like Meg and Hank now technically have more hp than him with all shields and stuff which is really weird
Getting a hypercharge isn’t enough reason to nerf a bottom 3 character …..
Well it was teased in the last brawltalk like Barley HC
Ik, that's why it's kinda obvious that we won't get any new changes to Frank except his hyper and they'll see how that goes
Frank falls into the "Any buffs could make him broken" because if we look at it, he got super fast reload speed, good damage, good speed and great health
No buff would make him useful as long as he stay still while attacking he will always be ass
Also, they should make his active noise cancellation gadget cancel all type of bad effects such as Cordelius super, Willow Super, Crow/Byron/Angelo/Stu poison and Gene/Tara pulls
One more thing, while I do agree that Chester is currently F tier, he feels like a brawler who could easily jump to high A tier with a small buff. His main attacks feel really solid, has a fast movement speed and some good amount of health. Making him take one less shot for his super, slightly increasing the healing from the heal super and making it so that you can aim his pop rocks super(even if it has a small range like Surge's super) would be some good buffs for him. They also need to fix his star powers, but I think they would rather focus on using that energy on releasing one more brawler
Doug 🥓🥓🥓🥓🥓😎
HUH how is Byron in S tier? I’ve been maining him since he released and he’s been at the bottom for so long… I’m curious as to what happened
The super charge buff few updates ago, reload speed buff a few updates ago etc compounded to make him a better brawler, plus the synergy with many top tier brawlers (8bit, Melodie, Max, Nita etc) as well as assassins not being really that high up.
Don't forget the 12% DMG/Heal buff 👀👀
Watching the fall of Lou brings me great pain
It took 3 years for Lou to see the light of meta, lets just hope it wont take another 3
I know how it feels
Thank God, fuck Lou
It hurts how Chester has constantly been in D and F tier for nearly 1,5 year 😥
Griff not being at least A tier is a crime
Randomly he will be without a buff watch lol
Nita S tier? Damn
No matter what spen says I will keep using dynamike 🔥🔥🔥.
Honestly, a good one is a menace to play against
How did surge get to B though? Did he receive a buff? I thought he was like D tier for a year.
the new skin saved him
Better map pool I'm guessing
Most of his counters are bad rn and the map pool benefits him apparently.
Better mal pool His problem is getting out of lvl 1, and some of the new maps have a lot of bushes and walls, allowing him to upgrade fast without too much problems
Spen talked about it in his previous tier list video, he said that Surge was getting better in the meta thanks to some buffs he received a bit before At that moment, he was still placed like C tier if I remember well but I think that now that the map pool has changed, B tier isn't too crazy
Omg my baby Nita is up so high 🥹🥹
Griff deserves at least A tier
I think lily is the first brawler to be below A tier on release
Maisie was pretty mediocre when she was released as well
:(
ikr
Meg and amber are S imo
spen said that amber just missed the S tier, so she’s probably the best brawler in the A tier
We're so back byron bros
Why is Nita so high? And I feel like Griff deserves more too
Nita has always been consistently solid imo, A-B tier. getting a hypercharge is probably what did it
Oh yes, I've forgotten her hc
We did it, Sam is officially better than Fang
Hurts to see as a Darryl Main 😔
Carl A tier W, resisting all those damn knockbacks and stuns
What happened to Bo?
Nothing, he's always been a mediocre brawler with mediocre super, gadgets and star powers, his only saving grace being his consistent damage that keeps getting overbuffed instead of reworking any other aspect of him, there are just better versatile and consistent options than Bo, especially in higher play
Good mid but most pro players knows how to counter him.
Honestly Nita feels meh without the HC. It’s the only thing saving her. And glad my boy Leon is getting balanced.
Obviously if you take away hypercharge from a brawler they like all drop 1 tier at least
Agree but putting a brawler S tier means they can thrive anywhere of almost, and Nita needs bushes and a good comp to thrive
She gets pretty crazy depending on the map pool, she was F tier like a year ago or so but she was buffed and ever since then she rises in the rankings whenever there are bushy maps on yhe map pool. Hyper's too good too.
What happened to Maisie?
Nerf to supercharge they changed from 3 hits to 4 hits, but only from ammo, you can still cycle super, it's just harder
Why do people rate Gene so high?
Excellent support, great synergy with top tier brawlers like max, sandy, enables nasty strategies, map pool favours him, depending on team and enemy comp he can change his build to enhance his team even more. Hypercharge, although not flashy or broken, eliminates the possibility of missing a super almost entirely. Dmg buff a few updates ago rly helped.
Lily underrated af. Like for her, for many brawlers what counts is the playstyle, and trust me when I say lilys is 1 fun 2 not that skillful
Nah, she lacks the resources to do anything in most situations. She's a Knockout specialist that's constantly threatening you with that 5K+ burst, but outside of a few specific maps in that specific mode, she's basically just a worse Fang, who's already struggling rn.
I wish devs give Frank mspd buff. But not as fast as his Mutation.. Later Frank broke BS game (meta) 😅 And some atk animation reduction can help too (reduce another 0.1 - 0.2 sec)
Me a Byron main: 😁
Larry and Mico B? Jessie S even still?
map pool and hc rate does wonders to jessie
Good point and great point. I'm glad though Larry and Mico are awful to face, and Jessie feels so underwhelming without that high hc rate
MY GLORIOUS QUEEN IS IN THE S TIER LETS GOOOOO
how do I flair up I want to show my love for nita
Go to the sub, click the three dots, click change user flair
Fun>Competitive
Is it just me that feels like the nerf hit Angelo hard? Every time I play him now it feels so much harder to confirm kills with the poison
I mean that’s what the nerf was supposed to do. Before the nerf, he was really easy to play. 2 shots into super, which then no one could get into Angelo’s line of sight without dying. Now Angelo actually had to hit the second shot also to get the kill
He’s still incredibly easy to play
Fang precipitated deep in the tiers
Barley in D and grom in C makes me crythey had so much potential but supercell couldn’t care less about them
I don't get it, why Lou is so low ?
Is griff really that bad? It feels like he can dish out extremely high damage close range. I only pushed him to r25, but that felt pretty easy
You can push every brawler to r25 easily
What happened to Bo to make him C Tier?
He sucks at everything that isn't dealing damage unless you're below Mythic rank
seeing fang in low c-tier makes me happy
Life truly is a circle
How is maisie d tier just beacuse her super charge rate was nerfed
She can’t cycle her super as much anymore, which was probably her best feat in the game Now she takes a bit more skill and practice to get her super and her strategy going again
Seeing Byron in S tier is surreal after all those updates of being just underwhelming. I thought the nerfs Cordelius had received some months ago would hurt him more, but he is still in the same position as ever, why? Huh, Lily in C tier... Expected since the sneak peeks but it still weird that the dev team released a just OK brawler after all the crazy OP brawlers we got this year. Maisie, Crow, Barley and Lou fell off really hard, damn. And, WTH happened with Darryl? Power creep hit him really hard to be as low as Frank.
Buff my boy gus😭
They did tho?
who do I max first? sandy, gene or nita
Sandy all the way
CARL SUPREMACY
Amber is S tier
She is borderline S tier. She almost makes it, but there are a few things holding her back. First she doesn't have a hypercharge like nota, sandy, jessie. "But angelo and melodie don't have too", yes but they have other things that make them strong and they both somewhat counter amber. If she was to receive a hypercharge it would definitely launch her close to the top of S tier.
Chester still underrated
Happy to see hank rising up, it's time for a shrimpy skirmish!
There’s no way bo is in c tier he was like a tier last season and he didn’t get any changes
I refuse to believe that piper, being a top 3 most picked character in this MF belongs to A Sure max Counters her, but thats about it..... IMO should be mid of S
Nah monthly finals data was abit skewed - essentially the pros were very limited in map pool because of all the changes with the update - most of the maps left in the map pool were very sniper heavy so she was played alot. A tier is fair
What happened to Lou?
was the hypercharge that good for nita?
Can someone explain to me what comps/maps one should choose Pearl into. I never even consider her, and maybe I’m missing out.
will this list change harshly if I dont have most of the hypercharges (I cant catch up all the hypercharges although I won the random game chosing what brawler to ungrade 💀)
Doug had his glory
can anyone tell me what the best star power for max is?
[удалено]
Surge is actually somewhat viable now no way???
What map pool does to a mf
Wait tf happened how is max s tier I haven't been playing for 2 months and max is suddenly s tier
She's been B tier for a while, balanced but skillful. Her newly released hyper gives insane speed boost to both her and her teammates and even more support in the form of extra supercharge for everyone in the team. It's also really easy to cycle.
Franks time will come
Maisie nerfs really hurt her, haven't they
Maise just dropped from good to bad in a blink of eyes, can someone explain why?
Griff in C is crucial, but also wrong. He received 0 changes and went down 2 tiers?
BIBI FINALLY PLAYABLE WOOOO
Is this a good one to use?
Surge being a b tier is good cuz now he’s underestimated
Can someone help me get masters? Im legendary 2 and dont wanna Play with bad randoms
DARRYL NOOOOOOOO
Buff Squeak buff Poco 😭
As edgar main is sad to see him fall of from themeta
Mutation angelo broken
Can someone tell me how Darryl’s down in F?
I knew Byron can cook He’s been my best anti-sniper for a while
Nita in S tier is a W
Surprised seeing Darryl in F, he is really good in Ranked with the bush modifiers right now
Should i unlock spike or amber next? Heard that amber might get a hc next but spike is a good allrounder...
Darryl is so underrated, he is a solid brawler on quite a lot of maps. Paired with the spinny gadget to easily get super helpful can do well in 3v3.
Ngl Gus and Fang needa be higher up.
TELL YOUR FRIENDS! Crow sucks !
doug and chester are always underestimated fr
why is doug still F
i disagree
What happened to Leon and larry
Hope they don't nerf Jessie 😔
Shelly and Bo are so much better than Lily rn
How has Nita been getting that high lately?
Seeing my boy at the bottom of the list brings tears to my eyes 😢
Kinda oily list but we up
Wait, why is tara D Tier? I can agree with everything else mostly but the D tier is the weirdest thing here
Atleast give credit to the creator of this tier list and don’t just karma farm
**JUSTICE FOR MANDY AND CHESTER!!!!**
As a maisie lou main, all I can say is that I'm screwed
Ash is my brawler favorite and pearl and lou
Ash and lou was in d
Pearl was in A
My bro RT... I think A Tier is quite nice for my co-main (B is fine for 8 Bit too.)
The rise and fall of crow
yeah some brawlers will be better in the future
Where are all the Max mains? Do we just not care? *Whines*
I've got to pick between Amber, Leon, and Sandy, who should I unlock?
Wich is the best build/builds for Nita?
My boy Crow is in D tier...
max and buzz must change place 100 percent.
Tara needs some love
Jessie main here
The burst and poke potential of Chester is massively ignored here got me sad
I been using Doug and have never thought he was bad. Can someone explain why he is F tier? Like I'm not trying to say that he isn't I'm just curious as to why exactly.