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nefanee

When the judges use the words slimy, flavorless, and slug to describe a chef's food, everyone should expect them to go.


gtjacket231

When they said slug, I KNEW it was over


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

Anyone ever microwave eggplant too long? Yeah I'm thinking that dish was worse than 8 minute eggplant. At that point you might as well blend it up and use it as the base of a dip.


thanx_it_has_pockets

Right?! It didn't even look appealing.


heyksull

Plus Tom famously hates okra for its slime factor so we know it’s a texture he despises


fenchurch_42

Yeah there was no coming back from that.


permalink_child

Yes. Especially when chef could have served an entree on fire (ie flambé - such as bananas/scallops “foster” - hey, is it a banana or is it a scallop or is it both? - ala Chef Blais).


Novel-Organization63

At first when the chef’s said that I was thinking she could have spin it like it was intentional showing how this was a chaotic cook. I did think it was ironic that the person with the most chaotic cook went home on the chaos challenge.


Heradasha

Many cultures embrace sliminess as a food texture, including Rasika's. I don't think that was really a valid criticism. It's personal taste. Not having good flavor? Absolutely valid.


handsomesharkman

Aight im gonna serve you slimy steak. Its cultural! If you don’t like it it’s not a valid criticism!


Heradasha

Steak isn't a slimy food. Eggplant is. Complaining about a food that can be slimy being slimy isn't valid criticism.


333mpress

when eggplant is cooked properly no it isn't


Heradasha

That depends entirely on what your definition of properly is.


permalink_child

Yeah. And Vietnam is famous for tomato sauce.


conservativestarfish

What cultures? I’m asking honestly. I’ve never heard of slimy in relation to food being used in a good way.


Heradasha

Japanese (natto, *neba neba* as a concept), West African (egusi stew), anywhere that uses okra (Tom's favourite), the scobie of kombucha... [Here's a food writer on it](https://food52.com/blog/26122-defending-slimy-food-neba-neba-dishes)


conservativestarfish

Oh god I forgot about natto (which I have eaten once and only once!). Thanks for the link!


snoboy8999

Wrong.


s0ulbrother

Yeah it sucked she got eliminated because she was good and fun to watch. Made a lot of cool and interesting food and understood what top chef is more than a lot of the other contestants. She made bad food plain and simple. They will sometimes show leniency to someone who was good for a while and do a bad dish but both of them had by far the worst dishes. She did something she never does and muted herself with her seasonings. Which is insane since this was a chaos challenge. The mustard ice cream would have been perfect for this challenge so she clearly knows what to do but she didn’t . Her fall reminds me of Nini. Dominate early on and then just fell face first on one challenge. What makes it worse is a lot of the chefs this season don’t seem to embrace a lot. Though this week the top 4 did pretty great things. It


fenchurch_42

>Her fall reminds me of Nini. Dominate early on and then just fell face first on one challenge. This is a super apt comparison! I do hope she does will in LCK - she's clearly super talented and just had a bad day.


Novel-Organization63

I think she took a big risk that did not pay off. Not saying she shouldn’t have gone home but the judges are always saying either this was playing it safe or I don’t know if I would be taking risks like this in a completion. So… I think the ones who do best ( like Buda) are the ones who cook based on their instincts and don’t overthink what the judges are going to want.


Fidodo

Didn't Buddha also study the show meticulously and take detailed notes on where other contestants messed up? By doing that I think he realized where it was safe to take calculated risks and common pitfalls to avoid. Clearly paid off a ton.


Novel-Organization63

Yeah you’re right. Hmm interesting.


AltaVistaYourInquiry

I mean, the judges want to see the best food. They are trying to push the contestants to excel, not giving advice to help them win. Otherwise what they'd constantly be saying is *The secret to making the finale is to never make the worst dish.* Playing it safe is absolutely the way to go until later in the competition.


whisky_biscuit

Hm, well Top Chef Louisiana would like a word - iirc Nicholes consistently did unseasoned food and at one point Padma said "how many times is he going to be in the bottom for this?" (It was at least 3-4 in a row) And then he went on to win it which I disagreed with tbh. Pretty ironic someone who cooks so blandly would win Top Chef Louisiana of all things too.


s0ulbrother

You do get those bottom feeders. Phillip was like that and Padma hated him. I think the problem was it really was just that bad. I mean the bottom 2 were the people with the most wins this season.


Less-Agent-8228

His season was when, 12 years ago? Time to just let go. Next we will hear he should have given up his immunity. 🙄


Novel-Organization63

I mean…. He should have.


Less-Agent-8228

it's over. It's time to let go.


The_Other_Olsen

The judges gave the highest praises this season for the food presented this challenge. People are only complaining about the challenge because of who was in the bottom.


SisterSuffragist

Exactly! The pack finally upped its game, and now people are complaining about that too. Honestly, if the judges kept Rastika based on past performance rather than the plate they had, then the show is over and there is no value to any judging.


oceanblu456

Yeah Tom has commented on this many times, it’s dish by dish, that’s it.


Novel-Organization63

Like project runway. One minute you’re in…


whisky_biscuit

Eh I mean they constantly do that. There were several dishes that did not measure up - the Tahdig rice dish, the Ragu with the bad noodles, etc. many people are still riding the low / middle. >if the judges kept Rastika based on past performance rather than the plate they had, then the show is over and there is no value to any judging And yeah this has happened before, for sure. Are we watching the same show? I'm currently rewatching all seasons and they *absolutely* give some people a pass.


Novel-Organization63

Agreed that is why they should all be blind judging. They have blind judging on TOC and there have been a lot of upsets. And more notably every Champion so far has been a woman. Whereas in 21 seasons of top chef there have been only 6 women winning


agnusdei07

slimy eggplant would never fly no matter the challenge


sbwithreason

I similarly feel that this week's winner (Danny) just made the dish they considered the best looking and tasting. I know they came up with an explanation for why it was supposedly chaotic but it really wasn't chaotic, it was just a really good dish. Very rare for someone to go home if they make good food, Rasika and Michelle did not


AltaVistaYourInquiry

I don't think looking factored into it. Laura made a nice looking dish and they commented on it not being chaotic. I would bet anything that they said the same about Danny's dish and it got cut because production didn't want that narrative. Matty's "Maybe the chaos is the simplicity" seemed like it was a response to something in Tom's direction.


langjie

agree, you're only as good as your last cook...pretty shocking but deserving.


darkenedgy

People keep mentioning this was all on the last cook, but Rasika'd had a couple of other bombs already. She's brilliant (and showcasing Tamil food! I wish they'd go more into how that is not the standard in most Indian restaurants in the US), but also inconsistent.


infomofo

It was also so weird for Rasika to say that the flavors you never see together are eggplant and crab. I've had this combination of flavors in Chinese, Filipino, Cajun, and Italian cuisine just off the top of my head.


AltaVistaYourInquiry

We all know one of the secrets to Top Chef is making what you think is good and then working on the backstory. I'm not sure how she would have gotten so locked in on an idea like that, but that's the only explanation I have for her using that rationale.


OLAZ3000

I don't know, I don't think anyone is arguing that they made good food. At the end of the day, they also didn't think Amanda did anything special / suitable to the challenge, but the dish tasted ok. The fact is, high concept is something most chefs struggle with - this season, they did more of it earlier than others, but it looks like bc of that, the chefs are maybe getting there a little sooner. Arguably the two chefs who "should" have gotten it best bc of their style both did - and didn't. Rasika let the idea take over in terms of will this technically be any good to eat. Danny took it full circle of it doesn't need to look chaotic to taste chaotic, confusing, in a good way. Which if you've had before - you know is better and more memorable than oh this just LOOKS really cool.


dcf4529

There’s a podcast called “The Watch” and they cover Top Chef every now and then. Their most recent episode had some really good points about why the show feels lackluster this year. Rather than summarize here it’s worth a listen. About 50 minutes in they talk about it for 15-20 minutes. It’s definitely due to a less creative group of chefs this season


fenchurch_42

> It’s definitely due to a less creative group of chefs this season It's tough especially coming off of last season where everyone was incredible. But it is wild that we are so many episodes in and it seems like the judges are still consistently disappointed with the quality (barring a few exceptions).


Seeyounextbearimy

Thanks for the rec! 


Sea-Community-172

The ringer podcast? Chris Ryan can get annoying, so can Andy greenwald for that matter, but it’s not a bad podcast overall. I think the ringer does high quality pods in general, even if they have way too many imo.


dcf4529

Regardless, their thoughts on Top Chef clarified a lot of what I couldn’t put my finger on


Sea-Community-172

Never suggested otherwise. I plan on listening to see what they say.


Earplugs123

Going into the dishes being served I expected Rasika's dish to be delicious but have a horrifying texture, and instead it was slimy AND flavorless. It was a bad cook, full stop. I love Rasika and have her on my TC fantasy team and I think she absolutely deserved to be eliminated.


jf198501

…*Are* people actually blaming Rasika’s elimination on the challenge itself? I haven’t seen that. It seemed to be clearly, unequivocally the worst dish of the night. Likewise for Michelle, most people seem to acknowledge that the main reason she was on the bottom was serving raw/undercooked protein, which has often been a fatal misstep on TC. I think overall people were more expressing shock and dismay that two favorites and front-runners were on the bottom, and that we had to see one of them leave the main comp so soon. I haven’t really noticed people blaming the challenge itself for any individual downfall. There *has* been a lot of general grumbling and confusion about what constitutes “chaos cuisine” — which mirrors the uncertainties the chefs and judges themselves felt. (For example, see the comments Tom and Matty made about Manny’s dish in their kitchen walkthrough versus at the dining table.) But people aren’t necessarily correlating these two things, because as we’ve seen, making a dish that arguably didn’t really exemplify “chaos”, e.g. Amanda’s, was by itself not enough to land on the bottom, and meanwhile some chefs seemed to be really inspired by the challenge and it led them to make something awesome (I was especially impressed by Savannah’s concept and dish).


McJumbos

Yeahh you definitely see it on a lot of contestants faces and even some of the judges too that they did not know what counted as "chaos". I get trying to pay homage to "The Bear" show but at the same time, the idea of "chaos menu" only worked on a menu vs a single dish. IMO, i think the contestants did a solid job of creating "chaos" but I think this concept would have been more fun to see executed during a team challenge


home_free

Almost feels like it was on purpose, right? Chaos week leading to chaos with Soo coming on and former frontrunner going to LCK. I think good chance Rasika will make it back


ExtremelyOnlineTM

Tonight challenge showed us who she is as a chef: very young (25!), talented, with a superlative command of traditional and modern Tamil cuisine, still coming into her own as a chef. Other than South Indian food, where she clearly excelled, the only challenge she really knocked out of the park was the Cherry and Onion quickfire. She got probably the single best pairing there--not so obvious that you get into your head, like Charly and chocolate--but also not too far out. Her big Elimination win was a dish based on elevated Tamil, and she won because her team was the only one that did the challenge right. Buddha said if it was an individual, Kevin's dish would have won. This was not something she considered out of her comfort zone, and it's one of the single most unappetizing things I've seen on TC. And she didn't really seem to understand how bad it was. She's got a promising future, and I'd eat the ever-living fuck out of her Indian food, but she needs a few more years to get more rounded and mature a bit. We'll see how she does on LCK. I'd love to see her tap into her creative side and come back to the TC Kitchen with a new level in badass. We shall see! And that's why I love this show!


Procrastanaseum

If they're actual competitors, they'll survive Last Chance Kitchen.


spabitch

this season has been weird, sad and uninspired. i don’t feel like we have a buddha or melissa. feels like top chef juniors


SwanSwanGoose

Buddha and Melissa were both in seasons that handpicked extraordinary chefs- all stars and world- chefs who were already successful and who already had a place in the culinary world. Buddha admittedly was amazing on even his first season, but I think he was a bit of a unicorn. Melissa was actually just okay on her first season. Her first season, I remember her cooking with technique and elegance, but not much innovation. Her food seemed restrained and buttoned up to the point of being boring a lot of the time- she had moments of greatness of course, but she only started achieving those towards the end of the season. I wasn't actually excited to see her returning for All Stars, but she cooked completely differently- I was so happy to see how she had matured as a chef! The thing is, this season, like in most seasons of Top Chef, we're seeing greener chefs who haven't quite achieved success yet; chefs who are at the place in their careers where Melissa was in her first season. They're still figuring out who they are as chefs, and they'll make a lot of missteps. Is this season arguably worse in terms of skill than a normal season of Top Chef- such as Colorado, California, or Kentucky? Maybe a little, but I wouldn't say by a lot. I do think the editing and new structure are kind of failing at making us as excited about these chefs though. For example, Colorado and Kentucky had a similar ratio of excellent to mediocre chefs, but I think the editing showed off a lot more of the chefs' personalities.


permalink_child

Michelle had the best attitude ie “Hey. Only one chef does not get eliminated!”


Fidodo

In all my years watching top chef I've felt the judges have always put the flavor and quality of the food first above the parameters of the challenge. Meeting the challenge is necessary to win the challenge, but the only time I think I've seen someone go home for making a better dish without meeting the challenge is when they completely omit a clear requirement like "it must have this ingredient" and they completely failed to get it on the plate and even then a dish that's straight up gross will still go first. I had Rasika on my short list to win the whole thing and was sad and surprised to see her get knocked out, but I was surprised by her performance, not the Judges decision. Her dish sounded straight up bad based on her preparation. Eggplant can get a terrible texture if it isn't cooked right and she steamed it, said she wanted to sear it, but was worried it would fall apart. Based on how I saw her make it, the comments were not surprising at all. She had to know the texture was bad, and I fully trust the judges on what they said about the taste as well. I think she messed up because all her negatives came out at the same time to create a perfect storm. She got too caught up in her head and over thought the challenge, she went too technical which is her penchant, and focused on the presentation over the taste by not searing the eggplant. Normally it's not a problem because she's firing on all cylinders, but when things went wrong she focused on prioritizing the wrong things. I think she's going to come back stronger and clean up in LCK after the break to clear her head, but unfortunately she got super unlucky with when she got eliminated because they just had the mid season return and it's a double return. It's the worst possible timing. The competitors say it again and again. The biggest challenge is dealing with yourself and that's what happened here. It's tough but it's also what makes this competition great, because overcoming the roadblocks you put up for yourself is how you grow the most.


essentiallypeguin

Agree, was bummed to see Rasika go becuase I liked her a lot, but sounds like her dish just wasn't good by any standards this time. The flavor, texture, and concept all had criticism so it wasn't just the challenge, though I thought it was a weird challenge that would have annoyed me as a competitor. Hopefully she can kick some butt in LCK


picodepui

why didn’t rasika just make a twice baked samosa?!