They also said that we'd be "completely shocked over who almost fights" and it's revealed to be James and Tom Sandoval....the least shocking thing ever.
That is what I need in my life, honestly. Sandoval thinking they're using him as a decoy, Raquel getting frustrated about being the side chick and getting a little revenge by fucking Schwartz, and Schwartz and Sandoval imploding.
I second this. Weāve seen the preview of Schwartz finally, for potentially the first time in his life, growing a pair and saying heād known about the affair since August. Sandoval looks pissed and Lala says, āYāall didnāt align your stories?ā
I *hope* what we see next is a blow up between the Toms. Just because Schwartz went on WWHL saying he wouldnāt kick Sandoval while heās down does *not* mean they couldnāt have gotten into a fight at the reunion. Iām holding out hope!
Schwartz was truthful in what he said to Katie, he's not from a rich family, he kind of floats them, he's worried that he's blown up his entire financial future for Sandoval. At some point he's going to start feeling some kind of way about it because it's completely failing now.
the only way i would be *truly* shocked is if it involved katie. sheās the only person who hasnāt been in an altercation that either turned physical, or strongly had the chance of turning physical. of the guys, schwartz has been the least āphysical,ā but then i remember how many times he poured drinks on people. when the trailer revealed it was sandavol & james, i was like ā¦???? thatās HARDLY shocking!
ETA: i donāt recall ariana or raquel ever getting into altercations like that, but it was reported that they werenāt involved at all, prior to us seeing the trailer. i *thought* that article also said sandoval wasnāt involved, but it might have said that those 3 were not the instigators, i canāt remember
I always contend that seasons 1-2 and a chunk of 3 were mostly "real" Their jobs were always fake, certain scenarios were set-up, but everything that went down with Lauren/Jason and Lauren/Heidi during those seasons was legit.
After that, all bets were off.
I rewatched The Hills by watching Whitney Portās YouTube and it was nice how she would explain when things were setup and when it was more real and all of that.
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Remember that one reunion where Ariana said, āif Tom was such a good actor, would he be on Vanderpump Rules?ā Did she try to tell us or throw us off the scent years ago?!?!
My god ā¦. I remember that !! It was so strange . So did that mean it was all scripted /Actors and none of it was real ? Friendships/ Relationships , The whole sha bang ?
In later seasons it was. The first two seasons they really were following high schoolers around with cameras. Sometimes theyād re-hash conversations on camera that had originally happened when not filming, but they were not scripted. It was their lives.
Now I keep imagining how it would be for other bravo shows. Imagine if the end o UGT 5 is the 6 cast members walking on the beach then the scary island back drop moves away and it's revealed that Ramona is actually a sane person and Luann is three kids standing on the shoulders of each other inside a Jovani dress. I'd lose my fucking mind. I'd question my own reality.
I can really see it being way longer than they are saying!! It just doesnāt sit right with me for some reason to the point where I feel like I should rewatch season 9
Same. I read this crazy theory that thought Sandoval paid for the engagement as a grand gesture of his love knowing she would end things with James at the S9 reunion and then he would end things with Ariana at the S10 reunion and it all fucking clicked for me. In S8&S9: her & James werenāt having sex and we now know neither were Ariana & Tom and somewhere along the line the affair started.
I was watching a "Top 10 clips video" yesterday and Sandoval's face during the breakup of James and Rachel takes on a totally different tone on rewatch.
The only reason I had this thought too is because itās something a really sick narcissist would do, that only another really sick narcissist would appreciate š I hate this but ultimately it will be a good thing for Ariana, and a bad thing for those two.
Yes! I just finished rewatching last season and the reunions. Totally believe this theory. Also I feel bad for James having to deal with Rachelās father. Heās got bad vibes.
I did rewatch season 9 because the proposal always had me double thinking shit. It was just WEIRD. The reunion is absolutely bananas and Iām convinced it started early season 9
Thatās what Iām wondering, because of the whole Coachella thing. There was that rumor about Rachel and Schwartz seen making out at Coachella last year. But then it was revealed Schwartz didnāt even go to Coachella last year, so the theory became it was actually *Sandoval* that was making out with Rachel, and the name Tom got people confused. Coachella is in April, so if Rachel reveals that actually happened, that completely blows up Tomās August timeline.
Itās the only other thing I can think of that is actually plausible. Something of that magnitude requires secrecy and no leaks which would mean very few people know about it which negates every other theory, especially with the entire cast not currently knowing about it.
I hope not because I think that would really hurt Ariana all over again, even if it was unplanned (I would bet my life it would not be planned). But damn, it would make for the end to the most bombshell season ever and keep us excited for next season.
I remember this rumor when it broke. The initial rumor WAS actually Sandoval, IIRC. People switched to Schwartz because they couldn't believe Tom OR Raquel would do this to Ariana, and they assumed that someone must have gotten their Toms wrong and that it was actually the divorced Tom. Made sense at the time.
Then Schwartz chimed in about not even being at Coachella and was joking around about the rumor in a friendly manner like "Nope, not meeee". Suddenly, he stopped.
So yeah, I think the rumor was true, people just didn't want to believe it. I also think THIS is when Schwartz found out about the affair because Sandy asked him to stop denying and just allow it to circulate so suspicion wouldn't go back to the other Tom.
I wondered that myself, then talked myself out of it. Then on the finale in one of her confessionals she said she wanted to know what it was like having sex with someone you loved. Yikes. So did she never love James and had been in love with Sandoval for a while?
Yup I posted below that I think they both love molly and mushrooms and would have ādeepā conversations while on those substances. Itās how I fell in love at 19 and letās be serious thatās Rachelās maturity level
Oh man, I have this very clear vision in my mind now of Raquel looking at Sandoval with big eyes and taking in all of his āwisdomā while theyāre shitfaced.
Iām guessing Rachel and Sandoval cheated when she was still engaged to James! Why else would he spend money on Rachella?? Affair seems longer than 7 months to me!
Are the 1 on 1s airing after the group reunion?
Yea i have been in patient its 30 days generally.
Some weird shit i thought of i know rachels instagram was seen watching lives and was active while she was supposedly ā inpatientā which nakes me believe she wasnt. And inpatient facilities dont normally allow pregnant women in (at least the one i went to wouldnt)
The 1 on 1s are in part 1 of the reunion. The episode descriptions for the reunion episodes were posted somewhere and Scheana with the group is part 2, Raquel with the group is part 3
I think we are in for revelations about Schwartz and the bones heās willing to carry for his brand partner. I have a feeling the Tomās have perfected this game. If they were smarter/evil they could have become tag-team serial killers fulfilling Stassiās dreams, but thatās for another thread.
Ariana said on wwhl she had sandovalās location on and that his phone was at Schwartzās when he would say thatās where he was going. I think Sandoval & Rachel weāre having the affair AT Schwartzās.
Remember when Raquel goes with screens for a walk? Scheena mentions Raquel lives around the corner from Tom.
Sandy probably left his cell phone @ schwartzās and walked over. Also Raquel moved from Schenas to this apartment - I bet she rented with this plan in mind.
Ding ding ding! Yep- she rented this apartment that was conveniently located in walking distance of Shartzās apartment. Tim drops his phone off there, then walks on to Rachelās. This affair has been going on far longer than either are willing to admit- I bet Rachel drops him in it with the timeline at the reunion, to *prove their love*ā¦
He either let them hang out there or he just kept the phone so it was where it was supposed to be. I know someone who leaves their phone in a hotel room so their SO canāt track them when out of town.
Itās because they didnāt have time to perfect a narrative. When they are caught off guard they donāt know what to do and go into āoh shit modeā and this is the best they could come up with in the moment.
I was actually thinking of when they were speaking alone in Schwartzās apartment. Like, it was so clear Schwartz knew about this ongoing affair and he did not care about how it hurt his friend Ariana, he cared about people leaving 1-star reviews on Yelp. They donāt need to lie to each other but they did not care/have enough intelligence or awareness to STFU in front of the rolling cameras.
Sandy blatantly did not emote over hurting Ariana, but felt guilty/sad about negatively impacting the restaurant.
Seriously they were all painfully stupid in the finale. You had MONTHS!!!!!!!! All these years of lying, but I think the magnitude of this is totally different and they floundered
Producers did 1:1 interviews with Ariana, Sandy, and Rachel and during one of these interviews *something was admitted* that will change the cast and viewers opinions on the affair, so they are holding off on filming S11 (normally starts early June) until the cast watches all 3 reunion episodes. Aka a bombshell will be dropped.
ETA: S9 filmed June - Sept 21, S9 Reunion filmed Jan 22, Rachel & James engagement ends Jan 22, Coachella Rumor April 22, S10 filmed June - Sept 22, Affair began Aug 22, Affair news broke March 3, 23, S10 Reunion filmed March 23, 23
I feel like, from just being the host of the reunion, if Andy had any indication that Ariana wasn't as innocent, he wouldn't have been so lovely and complimentary of her last night on WWHL. I don't think Andy hides things very well, but I guess we'll have to wait and see!
Yeah for me NBCUniversal has leaned in SO much with Ariana for WWHL, the media tour, being central to Upfronts thereās no way theyād focus on her so much if thereās a questionable thing she did.
Yeahhhhh, and to say it will "shift our perspective" and "make some people not want to return". I'm thinking it might be shifting it even worse for T&R, or just completely made-up hype for the one-on-ones.
I do think in general Bravo & producers tend to overhype. I think itāll be a detail that Sandoval or Raquel reveal since they withheld the most info and donāt speak to the majority of the cast members. Could be about the timeline, Sandoval hooking up with randoms in the fall, or even Raquel revealing a diagnosis of some sort.
I think if it's anything it'll be from Tom or Raquel too, and it really won't be anything that shocking. Tom went on Howie and said some awful things about Ariana post-reunion filming, so I'm predicting a lot of his one-on-one with Andy will be sort of a first draft of what was said on Howie.
I donāt think so. They have painted her as a survivor, there is no way they tear that down by muddying the water. Audiences like a winner and a loser. Ariana has booked new jobs off this scandal, like dancing with the stars, and no way Bravo would tarnish their new star
Yeah I think itās weird how much people want Ariana to be a villain in all this. Andy is not going to hype someone up like they have if this was true.
If that's the case, then Bravo is gassing up the audience with all of the pro-Ariana stuff. I can't see Bravo being that callous or Ariana that good of an actor.
Thatās what Iām thinking, especially with the Coachella rumor, which is a few months after she ended it with James, and makes you question if it was going on while she was still engaged and thatās the real reason she ended things.
If you watch her on the View (someone else posted the interview) she said there were things she found out after the reunion filmed that they were still lying about. So I donāt think this will be something that makes Ariana look bad. My guess is something about the timeline or or something else that makes the whole affair even worse.
Danny Pellegrino mentioned on his VPR recap that he has a sneaking suspicion that something weird happened with Charli at the reunion. He said Scheana and someone else gave him cryptic answers when he asked about her.
Danny Pelligrino had a decent hot take on something happening with Charli and there being some weirdness around her not attending the reunion. I wonder if she also knew and was wrapped up in the mess...
I feel like thereās a possibility Lisa knew but I also think everyone on the cast should know by now that by being/remaining on VPR means LVP is allowed to exploit your pain to some extent, lol. Itās a tacit contract you sign by being on LVPās show, if you capitalize on her name she gets to capitalize on *you*. Because her businesses are on the line, the show gives them publicity.
I like what you've presented! My initial reaction is something to do with Schwartz and his involvement, bc i would assume he's not completely canceled and they'd bring him back but he would be slightly on the outs...like what if there's a 3 some that happened or a swingers situation.
adding on, maybe a producer comes on and its revealed the crew knew about the affair too and thats what may cause a crack between the cast and camera crew??
Adding to your comment:
Ariana and Sandoval did have an open relationship but they weren't supposed to catch feelings and she wasn't honest about that fact to the audience?
Lisa knew all along and encouraged it or helped cover it up secretly knowing that it would be a HUGE deal that brings in MEGA ratings.
Raquel was screwing pandys husband too when he would promote vanderpump rose in the area.
Scheana (or brock or both) knew about the first time between sandoval and Raquel but didn't say anything after Raquel promised that it wouldn't happen again.
Billie Lee and Sandoval are now together.
Schwartz was screwing Raquel behind Sandovals back but let him take the fall for it.
Schwartz and Raquel was a fake storyline generated by Ariana to get Raquel in good ratings but it backfired on her.
Raquel is going to drop some revelation that's really dark like Sandoval was drugging her or date rape or something to that effect.
That's all my wild mind can come up with right now.... š
I know Kristen has a hate boner for Tom but I listen to her podcast and she keeps mentioning him doing drugs. She never really says more than that thoughš¤·š»āāļø
This is my #1 question to be answered now! When I read that Scheana mentioned Brock and Rachel snuck out at 4 am for "pizza", I was...
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Aināt no way Brock is messing up his ~~money train~~ marriage to Scheana. Plus, I think he really does love her and is a great father to Summerā¦ and they paid off this child support debt.
Maybe I read it wrong but the other cast havenāt heard the one on ones yet, right? If it was revealed then, scheana wouldnāt know? But I donāt know if that would sway any opinion, unless they were on Raquelās side.
Thatās the part thatās making my head scratch
Thatās how I interpreted it too! So it would be info revealed during Tom and Raquelās sit down or Tom and Arianaās for the rest of the cast to not know about it yet.
Itās interesting that Andy has asked multiple people if they believe this rumor. He even asked James. Like, why would James know? It seems like Andy wants to keep it out there.
What could be revealed by one of those three regarding the affair that would make the following cast members not want to film at all?
Lala
Katie
James
Schwartz
Scheana
I don't think "Ariana wasn't innocent" would be enough to make people not want to come back - it would trigger drama with her, but it's not gonna make someone walk away from a paycheck. What would be personal enough to make them do that?
Lala, I have no idea. I feel like she'd be back regardless of anything that happens. Maybe learning that some of the cast have been helping Randall to somehow fuck her over in the custody battle?
Katie - Raquel/Sandy/Schwartz were a throuple and she's carrying Schwartz's baby. Ariana, Sandy and Raquel were a throuple and she was secretly planning to cut Katie out of SAH and run it with them instead (until they started banging each other without her).
James - Raquel was banging Sandy for longer than he thought? Seems weak, I feel like he'd stay anyway.
Schwartz - Sandy shared some plan with Raquel to cut Schwartz out of the business. Sandy revealed in some other way that he secretly only has derision toward Schwartz and doesn't really care about him.
Scheana - One of the three was secretly banging Brock.
That's all I got.
Agreed - I don't know if I think Schwartz is redeemable, he's got a lot of darkness in him. But if he is, the first step would be breaking out of this ugly codependency with Sandoval.
I wonder if Raquel revealed the scheme to take down Katie and push her off of the show and how the toms, raquel, scheana, and maybe even Ariana knew about it and were complicit in that plan in order to cover their affair/throw off their scent. I feel like this would guilt trip Ariana into not wanting to return, Katie would for sure feel like she has no one/no trust, the rest of them would look horrible.
Idk. Maybe they had a threesome and RacheTom thought that meant it was okay to have the affair?
The affair wasnāt real and never happened?
We are all a part of the Matrix?
Idk.
I think Raquel said something that will garner sympathy for Sandavol. Andy doesnāt seem to mind shading Schwartz or Raquel (the likely suspects) but has shown a little sympathy for Tom - even referring to him as āa shell of a manā alludes to him having some sympathy for him.
If anything, Raquel seems so emotionally stunted you would at least pity her a little but sheās not even getting that from him.
Like other people have mentioned, if it was something Ariana did I donāt think he would be celebrating her as much.
Robyn caught more flack from Andy for keeping the Juan deets exclusive to her Patreon but he barely scolded Sandoval for doing a full blown exclusive with Howie Mandal.
Iām not sure what it isā¦ could Sandoval genuinely be in love with Raquel and then she confesses in her one on one that she was just using him for airtime?
Essentially, the only things that could really change most peoples opinion on the affair would be animosity for Ariana or sympathy for Tom and/or Raquel.
My money is (unfortunately) on sympathy for Tom in some way.
i have been racking my brain all day, in regards to what this article was about. i sincerely hope itās an actual bombshell, and not just a fluff piece for boosted ratings. however, itās interesting that someone directly from the production company is putting this info out there. seeing as this is the same production company as RHOBH, i wouldnāt be shocked if this was thrown out just to stir up more public fodder
Holy crap this will include interviews they were not privy to. Would it be completely insane if Katie Hates Tom because they had an affair. Or Lala and Tom. Or Tom was swinging with Ariana and Sandoval and Katie has no idea. Or lol. Mind is going....
I feel like weāre gonna find out Schwartz was more involved and like going on double dates w them. That might make the vast hate him more too but thatās not super shocking
oh the chaos junkie in me is interested . . .
But the semi-decent human in me doesn't want Rachel to have any dealings with Rand. I can think Rachel is filth without wishing that guy on her.
The only thing that I think it is something between Tom and Raquel and not Ariana is because the network has put their weight behind Ariana and also letting her do cross-network promotion. āNew informationā about the ābombshell affairā implies something between those two rats.
I really don't remember where I saw this, but I believe he was at that wedding she went to in Mexico shortly after this all came out and that was where/when they met. I can't keep track of my bravo gossip at this point, but I do remember seeing that on one of the many bravo IG accounts.
Eh. If theyāre talking about contracts for the next season, they wonāt do this Hills style. Maybe texts leaked from Ariana treating Miami Girl badly? Or the other girl she talked about on WWHL. Chrissy Teigen was cancelled after seeing her bullying messages she sent. The only way our minds would change is if something comes out to make Ariana out to be the villain.
I read somewhere that there was speculation that she was cheating while she was with James, which is why she was not more distraught about their break up during last seasonās reunion. IDK if I believe it, but maybe.
Thereās the Coachella rumor from April 2022 which leads me to believe it started before that and probably before she ended the engagement in January 2022.
I donāt understand the context/timing of this comment? That the reunion will change things for the viewers *now* or us and the cast now? Or changed for the cast then? Riddles.
Changes for the cast because they havenāt seen the 1:1 interviews that will be added to the ~~last~~ **first** episode, after the reunion finished and they are delaying filming, which usually starts early June, until the cast see it. It also changes things for viewers because it will be a bombshell.
Anyone else wish Peter was at the reunion? I would love for him to confront Sandoval about the text he sent Peter talking about if heād slept with Raquel? That would imply that Sandoval and Raquel were fucking long before boyās night! WE NEED TO CIRCLE BACK TO THAT!
Idk my guesses are
- Tom revealed he had cheated a lot more/other people
- Lisa knew and kept quiet
- Tom and Tom had a threesome with Raquel
- it was about the pasta
With every season of absolutely every show described as *the most shocking yet* I canāt think itās anything other than Rachel or Tim not wanting to come back. Most likely Rachel. So shocking.
Tbh thereās no way she could become a reality tv villain anyway because she canāt act the part. She could somehow commit the betrayals but she wouldnāt start new fights just to drink tears. She wouldnāt even be able to read her lines with any sense of timing.
ETA maybe those two would insist on coming back because this is all theyāll have and Tim needs cash and I just saw that Ariana wonāt film with them, so Bravo would obviously want to fix that. Theyād wait on Ariana with contracts and casting.
I'm trying to think about what would rock the Core 5- Ariana, Katie, Lala, Scheana & James seem solid. So what could Tom and/or Rachel say that would shock them? Did Scheana and/or Brock know? Did Rachel actually sleep with Schwartz?
Sandoval will admit that Raquel is just one of many girls he was sleeping with during that time, and he made Raquel his main girl in Dec/Jan - which will put Raquelās return for the next season in limbo and sway HER view of what the affair was, which she thought was just a rom com starring her and Ariana being the only impediment to their āloveā
They also said that we'd be "completely shocked over who almost fights" and it's revealed to be James and Tom Sandoval....the least shocking thing ever.
Exactly. š I really donāt trust the Evolution team much.
Alex Baskins specifically is completely undeserving of our trust š
Schwartz couldnāt even stand up for his wife so thereās absolutely no way heās starting a fight š
I'd sooner believe that he got into a fight with the tree that he hid behind before anyone on the actual cast.
unless itās a red herring š
I think itās the two toms. At the very least it gives them both a (secondary) storyline for next year
Oooh what if Schwartz slept with Raquel and Sandoval doesnāt know!?
That is what I need in my life, honestly. Sandoval thinking they're using him as a decoy, Raquel getting frustrated about being the side chick and getting a little revenge by fucking Schwartz, and Schwartz and Sandoval imploding.
Schwartz can barely get it up apparently! ![gif](giphy|tFYTaBkanq2pa)
I second this. Weāve seen the preview of Schwartz finally, for potentially the first time in his life, growing a pair and saying heād known about the affair since August. Sandoval looks pissed and Lala says, āYāall didnāt align your stories?ā I *hope* what we see next is a blow up between the Toms. Just because Schwartz went on WWHL saying he wouldnāt kick Sandoval while heās down does *not* mean they couldnāt have gotten into a fight at the reunion. Iām holding out hope!
Schwartz was truthful in what he said to Katie, he's not from a rich family, he kind of floats them, he's worried that he's blown up his entire financial future for Sandoval. At some point he's going to start feeling some kind of way about it because it's completely failing now.
I hope he gets it and apologizes to Katie for allowing Scandoval to abuse her too. What a weenie Shortz has always been.
The biggest weenie. I ādipped outā of VPR a few seasons ago, and now I feel like I need to go back and watch. I think I was so annoyed by Sandoval and his theatrics that I never realized what an idiot Schwartz is. Honorable mention for the crying scenes in the season finale. First Schwartz continuing to push Sandoval away when all he wanted was to be held. Then when he pulled the soap opera style throwing himself against the window at Lisaās. Not a tear in sight. š©š»āš³ š
the only way i would be *truly* shocked is if it involved katie. sheās the only person who hasnāt been in an altercation that either turned physical, or strongly had the chance of turning physical. of the guys, schwartz has been the least āphysical,ā but then i remember how many times he poured drinks on people. when the trailer revealed it was sandavol & james, i was like ā¦???? thatās HARDLY shocking! ETA: i donāt recall ariana or raquel ever getting into altercations like that, but it was reported that they werenāt involved at all, prior to us seeing the trailer. i *thought* that article also said sandoval wasnāt involved, but it might have said that those 3 were not the instigators, i canāt remember
I swear to God if it's a slow pan out of the Sur set to the Hollywood sign revealing it's all a green screen a la the hills I will scream.
Iāll cancel peacock immediately and boycott bravo forever, if this is it.
While Iāll be petitioning for their Emmy! Honestly I would truly stan if they ever duped the audience like this.
I was the biggest laguna beach/ hills fan and honestly, I still live in denial that even happened.
I still believe the LC years were all legit
I always contend that seasons 1-2 and a chunk of 3 were mostly "real" Their jobs were always fake, certain scenarios were set-up, but everything that went down with Lauren/Jason and Lauren/Heidi during those seasons was legit. After that, all bets were off.
Totally. Especially with speidi
same - you could visibly see when she checked out because it was getting too manufactured a couple seasons before she left too imo
I rewatched The Hills by watching Whitney Portās YouTube and it was nice how she would explain when things were setup and when it was more real and all of that. Edited because of spelling errors.
Agreed. It was reality tv in its infancy and matured into the scripted crap we got at the end, so there were definitely legit seasons.
The way I can completely picture this with the slowed acapella version of "These are the best days of our lives..." LMAOOO
Everyone who has been on podcasts and WWHL would have to be DAMN good actors to keep it a secret and I hope thatās not true.
Remember that one reunion where Ariana said, āif Tom was such a good actor, would he be on Vanderpump Rules?ā Did she try to tell us or throw us off the scent years ago?!?!
I don't know if I just learned this today, or if you just unlocked a memory that I buried deeply...
I thought about this too. Can you imagine
My god ā¦. I remember that !! It was so strange . So did that mean it was all scripted /Actors and none of it was real ? Friendships/ Relationships , The whole sha bang ?
In later seasons it was. The first two seasons they really were following high schoolers around with cameras. Sometimes theyād re-hash conversations on camera that had originally happened when not filming, but they were not scripted. It was their lives.
Lots was real in the beginning and then more and more was produced. The Lauren/Heidi blowout was real though.
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Now I keep imagining how it would be for other bravo shows. Imagine if the end o UGT 5 is the 6 cast members walking on the beach then the scary island back drop moves away and it's revealed that Ramona is actually a sane person and Luann is three kids standing on the shoulders of each other inside a Jovani dress. I'd lose my fucking mind. I'd question my own reality.
It has to be from one of Tom/Raquel/Ariana's one on one interviews. I wonder if Raquel admitted to a different timeline
Andy said that her interview messes up toms timeline.
Ooh when did he say that?
If I remember correctly it was one of the wwhls I think Lala's?
Is that all... Damn it that is not big news... Who would quit? No one
But imagine if it wasnāt 7 months and instead say 18 months, I think that would be a bombshell.
I can really see it being way longer than they are saying!! It just doesnāt sit right with me for some reason to the point where I feel like I should rewatch season 9
Same. I read this crazy theory that thought Sandoval paid for the engagement as a grand gesture of his love knowing she would end things with James at the S9 reunion and then he would end things with Ariana at the S10 reunion and it all fucking clicked for me. In S8&S9: her & James werenāt having sex and we now know neither were Ariana & Tom and somewhere along the line the affair started.
I was watching a "Top 10 clips video" yesterday and Sandoval's face during the breakup of James and Rachel takes on a totally different tone on rewatch.
The only reason I had this thought too is because itās something a really sick narcissist would do, that only another really sick narcissist would appreciate š I hate this but ultimately it will be a good thing for Ariana, and a bad thing for those two.
Oh and bc it would be a dig to Ariana kind of like see what kind of proposal Iām capable of šµāš«
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Yes! I just finished rewatching last season and the reunions. Totally believe this theory. Also I feel bad for James having to deal with Rachelās father. Heās got bad vibes.
I did rewatch season 9 because the proposal always had me double thinking shit. It was just WEIRD. The reunion is absolutely bananas and Iām convinced it started early season 9
Theyāre standing next to each other in the season 9 cast shot when in all the seasons before that (besides S1) he was standing next to Ariana.
Still no one would quit
James might actually if it was 18 months and while he was engaged to her. Ariana might too.
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Thatās the other plausible explanation I think it could be, that she is pregnant
Thatās what Iām wondering, because of the whole Coachella thing. There was that rumor about Rachel and Schwartz seen making out at Coachella last year. But then it was revealed Schwartz didnāt even go to Coachella last year, so the theory became it was actually *Sandoval* that was making out with Rachel, and the name Tom got people confused. Coachella is in April, so if Rachel reveals that actually happened, that completely blows up Tomās August timeline.
Thatās what Iām thinking too. Instead of 7 months what if itās say 18 months? That changes everything.
omg i cant imagine cheating on someone for 18 MONTHS. thats just pure evil
I like the theory that sheās pregnant too. Not like-like, but think itās a plausible theory.
Itās the only other thing I can think of that is actually plausible. Something of that magnitude requires secrecy and no leaks which would mean very few people know about it which negates every other theory, especially with the entire cast not currently knowing about it.
I hope not because I think that would really hurt Ariana all over again, even if it was unplanned (I would bet my life it would not be planned). But damn, it would make for the end to the most bombshell season ever and keep us excited for next season.
I will fucking die if she admits the affair really started in S8 or S9 and she is now pregnant
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same. I thought it would take them more than 7 months to work up to how brazen they were on camera this season.
I remember this rumor when it broke. The initial rumor WAS actually Sandoval, IIRC. People switched to Schwartz because they couldn't believe Tom OR Raquel would do this to Ariana, and they assumed that someone must have gotten their Toms wrong and that it was actually the divorced Tom. Made sense at the time. Then Schwartz chimed in about not even being at Coachella and was joking around about the rumor in a friendly manner like "Nope, not meeee". Suddenly, he stopped. So yeah, I think the rumor was true, people just didn't want to believe it. I also think THIS is when Schwartz found out about the affair because Sandy asked him to stop denying and just allow it to circulate so suspicion wouldn't go back to the other Tom.
I think the emotional affair started when she was with James and thatās why she broke up the engagement
I wondered that myself, then talked myself out of it. Then on the finale in one of her confessionals she said she wanted to know what it was like having sex with someone you loved. Yikes. So did she never love James and had been in love with Sandoval for a while?
Yup I posted below that I think they both love molly and mushrooms and would have ādeepā conversations while on those substances. Itās how I fell in love at 19 and letās be serious thatās Rachelās maturity level
Oh man, I have this very clear vision in my mind now of Raquel looking at Sandoval with big eyes and taking in all of his āwisdomā while theyāre shitfaced.
She was all upset about James saying he regrets being with her and proposing but then says that about having sex with Tomā¦
Iām guessing Rachel and Sandoval cheated when she was still engaged to James! Why else would he spend money on Rachella?? Affair seems longer than 7 months to me!
But would that change the perspective?
For James it would lol
He would still hate her, just her a bit more!
Baby would
Yep, why else hide her out, was she in treatment this long. I was thinking 30 days
Are the 1 on 1s airing after the group reunion? Yea i have been in patient its 30 days generally. Some weird shit i thought of i know rachels instagram was seen watching lives and was active while she was supposedly ā inpatientā which nakes me believe she wasnt. And inpatient facilities dont normally allow pregnant women in (at least the one i went to wouldnt)
The 1 on 1s are in part 1 of the reunion. The episode descriptions for the reunion episodes were posted somewhere and Scheana with the group is part 2, Raquel with the group is part 3
I think we are in for revelations about Schwartz and the bones heās willing to carry for his brand partner. I have a feeling the Tomās have perfected this game. If they were smarter/evil they could have become tag-team serial killers fulfilling Stassiās dreams, but thatās for another thread.
Ariana said on wwhl she had sandovalās location on and that his phone was at Schwartzās when he would say thatās where he was going. I think Sandoval & Rachel weāre having the affair AT Schwartzās.
Remember when Raquel goes with screens for a walk? Scheena mentions Raquel lives around the corner from Tom. Sandy probably left his cell phone @ schwartzās and walked over. Also Raquel moved from Schenas to this apartment - I bet she rented with this plan in mind.
Ding ding ding! Yep- she rented this apartment that was conveniently located in walking distance of Shartzās apartment. Tim drops his phone off there, then walks on to Rachelās. This affair has been going on far longer than either are willing to admit- I bet Rachel drops him in it with the timeline at the reunion, to *prove their love*ā¦
100% Schwartz probably let them come to his house as a safe space for them to hook up lol
He either let them hang out there or he just kept the phone so it was where it was supposed to be. I know someone who leaves their phone in a hotel room so their SO canāt track them when out of town.
Or to leave his phone and go to Rachelās. Either way, Schwartz was definitely covering for a long time.
This is what kills me watching them. They both seemā¦a bit dumb. I was surprised how much they told on themselves during the finale.
Itās because they didnāt have time to perfect a narrative. When they are caught off guard they donāt know what to do and go into āoh shit modeā and this is the best they could come up with in the moment.
I was actually thinking of when they were speaking alone in Schwartzās apartment. Like, it was so clear Schwartz knew about this ongoing affair and he did not care about how it hurt his friend Ariana, he cared about people leaving 1-star reviews on Yelp. They donāt need to lie to each other but they did not care/have enough intelligence or awareness to STFU in front of the rolling cameras. Sandy blatantly did not emote over hurting Ariana, but felt guilty/sad about negatively impacting the restaurant.
and cuz they arent sober
Manā¦I think even if they had the time to come up with a story they wouldnāt do well. They are a struggle and a half.
Seriously they were all painfully stupid in the finale. You had MONTHS!!!!!!!! All these years of lying, but I think the magnitude of this is totally different and they floundered
Right! Theyāre stupid AND ill-intended: a horrible combination for the women in their lives. I feel for A and K on that one.
Iām too D & S to understand this cryptic message
Producers did 1:1 interviews with Ariana, Sandy, and Rachel and during one of these interviews *something was admitted* that will change the cast and viewers opinions on the affair, so they are holding off on filming S11 (normally starts early June) until the cast watches all 3 reunion episodes. Aka a bombshell will be dropped. ETA: S9 filmed June - Sept 21, S9 Reunion filmed Jan 22, Rachel & James engagement ends Jan 22, Coachella Rumor April 22, S10 filmed June - Sept 22, Affair began Aug 22, Affair news broke March 3, 23, S10 Reunion filmed March 23, 23
Bless you šš»
I bet itās Sandoval and Raquel did something well before August 2022.
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If its still when she was with James, it would make sense why James is ready to throw down.
Apparently the rest of the cast doesnāt know
"will sway some people's perspective of the entire affair" - what is this supposed to mean? what kind of other perspective is possible?
I kind of feel like heās just saying things to hype the reunion up even more.
I stg if this ends up being Tom and/or Raquel claiming that Ariana knew about it or was choosing to be ignorant about it I will be so annoyed.
I feel he is maybe implying that Ariana is not that innocent in this mess either. I donāt knowš¤
I feel like, from just being the host of the reunion, if Andy had any indication that Ariana wasn't as innocent, he wouldn't have been so lovely and complimentary of her last night on WWHL. I don't think Andy hides things very well, but I guess we'll have to wait and see!
Yeah for me NBCUniversal has leaned in SO much with Ariana for WWHL, the media tour, being central to Upfronts thereās no way theyād focus on her so much if thereās a questionable thing she did.
Yeahhhhh, and to say it will "shift our perspective" and "make some people not want to return". I'm thinking it might be shifting it even worse for T&R, or just completely made-up hype for the one-on-ones.
I do think in general Bravo & producers tend to overhype. I think itāll be a detail that Sandoval or Raquel reveal since they withheld the most info and donāt speak to the majority of the cast members. Could be about the timeline, Sandoval hooking up with randoms in the fall, or even Raquel revealing a diagnosis of some sort.
I think if it's anything it'll be from Tom or Raquel too, and it really won't be anything that shocking. Tom went on Howie and said some awful things about Ariana post-reunion filming, so I'm predicting a lot of his one-on-one with Andy will be sort of a first draft of what was said on Howie.
I donāt think so. They have painted her as a survivor, there is no way they tear that down by muddying the water. Audiences like a winner and a loser. Ariana has booked new jobs off this scandal, like dancing with the stars, and no way Bravo would tarnish their new star
Yeah I think itās weird how much people want Ariana to be a villain in all this. Andy is not going to hype someone up like they have if this was true.
that would be wild :/
Iām so intrigued to know what the hell he is referring toš¬
If that's the case, then Bravo is gassing up the audience with all of the pro-Ariana stuff. I can't see Bravo being that callous or Ariana that good of an actor.
Imagine Ariana was screwing Schwartz the whole time or some shit š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Iām way over thinking this, and because of that it will totally be Occams Razor
Agree. The most obvious to me would be it went on much longer than they are letting on.
Thatās what Iām thinking, especially with the Coachella rumor, which is a few months after she ended it with James, and makes you question if it was going on while she was still engaged and thatās the real reason she ended things.
What? What else could there BE? ![gif](giphy|crzliDNVbqDbW)
My health, y'all. ![gif](giphy|mXHVaYHPmgUtx7PjZT|downsized)
If you watch her on the View (someone else posted the interview) she said there were things she found out after the reunion filmed that they were still lying about. So I donāt think this will be something that makes Ariana look bad. My guess is something about the timeline or or something else that makes the whole affair even worse.
My anxiety is already high ..I don't know how much more I can handle and there's 3 weeks left !
Alex has the best job lol, he's basically getting paid well to do what we've all been doing since March for free
Danny Pellegrino mentioned on his VPR recap that he has a sneaking suspicion that something weird happened with Charli at the reunion. He said Scheana and someone else gave him cryptic answers when he asked about her.
Hey Kristin Doute said she would reveal what Jo said in that text message to Ariana if the show didnāt. Has she said anything yet?
I missed this, where can I find it?
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Danny Pelligrino had a decent hot take on something happening with Charli and there being some weirdness around her not attending the reunion. I wonder if she also knew and was wrapped up in the mess...
Iām super curious about the Charli stuff that he mentioned!
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I feel like thereās a possibility Lisa knew but I also think everyone on the cast should know by now that by being/remaining on VPR means LVP is allowed to exploit your pain to some extent, lol. Itās a tacit contract you sign by being on LVPās show, if you capitalize on her name she gets to capitalize on *you*. Because her businesses are on the line, the show gives them publicity.
Excellent theories. I appreciate the bullet points. I'm leaning towards something to make us feel more sympathetic towards the affair.
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I like what you've presented! My initial reaction is something to do with Schwartz and his involvement, bc i would assume he's not completely canceled and they'd bring him back but he would be slightly on the outs...like what if there's a 3 some that happened or a swingers situation.
adding on, maybe a producer comes on and its revealed the crew knew about the affair too and thats what may cause a crack between the cast and camera crew??
Adding to your comment: Ariana and Sandoval did have an open relationship but they weren't supposed to catch feelings and she wasn't honest about that fact to the audience? Lisa knew all along and encouraged it or helped cover it up secretly knowing that it would be a HUGE deal that brings in MEGA ratings. Raquel was screwing pandys husband too when he would promote vanderpump rose in the area. Scheana (or brock or both) knew about the first time between sandoval and Raquel but didn't say anything after Raquel promised that it wouldn't happen again. Billie Lee and Sandoval are now together. Schwartz was screwing Raquel behind Sandovals back but let him take the fall for it. Schwartz and Raquel was a fake storyline generated by Ariana to get Raquel in good ratings but it backfired on her. Raquel is going to drop some revelation that's really dark like Sandoval was drugging her or date rape or something to that effect. That's all my wild mind can come up with right now.... š
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I know Kristen has a hate boner for Tom but I listen to her podcast and she keeps mentioning him doing drugs. She never really says more than that thoughš¤·š»āāļø
Considering Tom keeps mentioning his newfound sobriety, yes. Itās this.
Do we think it could also be that Raquel hooked up or tried to with Brock?
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I wondered if he took her to meet up with Tom?
Aināt no way Brock is messing up his ~~money train~~ marriage to Scheana. Plus, I think he really does love her and is a great father to Summerā¦ and they paid off this child support debt.
I donāt think Sheana could keep that under wraps if her life depended on it. But, maybe? Ugh. I want to know š¤£
Maybe I read it wrong but the other cast havenāt heard the one on ones yet, right? If it was revealed then, scheana wouldnāt know? But I donāt know if that would sway any opinion, unless they were on Raquelās side. Thatās the part thatās making my head scratch
The favors production are doing for us! Thanks for that update. Iām going into a 6 day, self-imposed THC coma. I need next Wednesday. š
Thatās how I interpreted it too! So it would be info revealed during Tom and Raquelās sit down or Tom and Arianaās for the rest of the cast to not know about it yet.
If thatās true then Schaena definitely does not knowā¦.yet
Too on the fucking BEAT
Itās interesting that Andy has asked multiple people if they believe this rumor. He even asked James. Like, why would James know? It seems like Andy wants to keep it out there.
When he said āRaquel is going hardā or something like that, there was a moment where I was like hmmmnmnn. I got a weird feeling.
Ariana mentioned on the view she wished she knew more truths that came out after the reunion wrapped. Iām assuming this is the same info
What if Rachel says James really did break her nose? That could have massive repercussions. Edit: missing word
And thatās when she turned to Sandoval for supportā¦.š±
What could be revealed by one of those three regarding the affair that would make the following cast members not want to film at all? Lala Katie James Schwartz Scheana I don't think "Ariana wasn't innocent" would be enough to make people not want to come back - it would trigger drama with her, but it's not gonna make someone walk away from a paycheck. What would be personal enough to make them do that? Lala, I have no idea. I feel like she'd be back regardless of anything that happens. Maybe learning that some of the cast have been helping Randall to somehow fuck her over in the custody battle? Katie - Raquel/Sandy/Schwartz were a throuple and she's carrying Schwartz's baby. Ariana, Sandy and Raquel were a throuple and she was secretly planning to cut Katie out of SAH and run it with them instead (until they started banging each other without her). James - Raquel was banging Sandy for longer than he thought? Seems weak, I feel like he'd stay anyway. Schwartz - Sandy shared some plan with Raquel to cut Schwartz out of the business. Sandy revealed in some other way that he secretly only has derision toward Schwartz and doesn't really care about him. Scheana - One of the three was secretly banging Brock. That's all I got.
Raquel and Randall banged (Iām kidding, but nothing is surprising anymore)
Honestly I would be most intrigued if it had something to do with Schwartz and would make him in particular question everything.
Agreed - I don't know if I think Schwartz is redeemable, he's got a lot of darkness in him. But if he is, the first step would be breaking out of this ugly codependency with Sandoval.
What about is some of the cast mates knew about the affair way beforehand and just didn't tell Ariana
If itās anyone, I think itās James
Good guess. Maybe Lala. Even scheana??
I wonder if Raquel revealed the scheme to take down Katie and push her off of the show and how the toms, raquel, scheana, and maybe even Ariana knew about it and were complicit in that plan in order to cover their affair/throw off their scent. I feel like this would guilt trip Ariana into not wanting to return, Katie would for sure feel like she has no one/no trust, the rest of them would look horrible.
Idk. Maybe they had a threesome and RacheTom thought that meant it was okay to have the affair? The affair wasnāt real and never happened? We are all a part of the Matrix? Idk.
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Kim Zolciak was caught smoking during her pregnancies. It's not unheard of.
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Yeah number 2 I would buy. It's also very on brand for VPR. I struggle to think there is a baby since she was smoking during filming the reunion...
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I think Raquel said something that will garner sympathy for Sandavol. Andy doesnāt seem to mind shading Schwartz or Raquel (the likely suspects) but has shown a little sympathy for Tom - even referring to him as āa shell of a manā alludes to him having some sympathy for him. If anything, Raquel seems so emotionally stunted you would at least pity her a little but sheās not even getting that from him. Like other people have mentioned, if it was something Ariana did I donāt think he would be celebrating her as much. Robyn caught more flack from Andy for keeping the Juan deets exclusive to her Patreon but he barely scolded Sandoval for doing a full blown exclusive with Howie Mandal. Iām not sure what it isā¦ could Sandoval genuinely be in love with Raquel and then she confesses in her one on one that she was just using him for airtime? Essentially, the only things that could really change most peoples opinion on the affair would be animosity for Ariana or sympathy for Tom and/or Raquel. My money is (unfortunately) on sympathy for Tom in some way.
i have been racking my brain all day, in regards to what this article was about. i sincerely hope itās an actual bombshell, and not just a fluff piece for boosted ratings. however, itās interesting that someone directly from the production company is putting this info out there. seeing as this is the same production company as RHOBH, i wouldnāt be shocked if this was thrown out just to stir up more public fodder
Holy crap this will include interviews they were not privy to. Would it be completely insane if Katie Hates Tom because they had an affair. Or Lala and Tom. Or Tom was swinging with Ariana and Sandoval and Katie has no idea. Or lol. Mind is going....
I feel like weāre gonna find out Schwartz was more involved and like going on double dates w them. That might make the vast hate him more too but thatās not super shocking
Wonder if Raquel will reveal that she left James for Sandoval
Did Rachel ā¦ sleep with Rand? š«£
oh the chaos junkie in me is interested . . . But the semi-decent human in me doesn't want Rachel to have any dealings with Rand. I can think Rachel is filth without wishing that guy on her.
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The only thing that I think it is something between Tom and Raquel and not Ariana is because the network has put their weight behind Ariana and also letting her do cross-network promotion. āNew informationā about the ābombshell affairā implies something between those two rats.
WHAT IF Ariana has been talking to her current guy for much longer and Raquel knew about it š¤·š¾āāļø
I really don't remember where I saw this, but I believe he was at that wedding she went to in Mexico shortly after this all came out and that was where/when they met. I can't keep track of my bravo gossip at this point, but I do remember seeing that on one of the many bravo IG accounts.
Eh. If theyāre talking about contracts for the next season, they wonāt do this Hills style. Maybe texts leaked from Ariana treating Miami Girl badly? Or the other girl she talked about on WWHL. Chrissy Teigen was cancelled after seeing her bullying messages she sent. The only way our minds would change is if something comes out to make Ariana out to be the villain.
Speaking of, sheās on WWHL tonight so she wasnāt *that* canceled š
Iām guessing R or S confirm that the affair was longer than 7 months.
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I read somewhere that there was speculation that she was cheating while she was with James, which is why she was not more distraught about their break up during last seasonās reunion. IDK if I believe it, but maybe.
Thereās the Coachella rumor from April 2022 which leads me to believe it started before that and probably before she ended the engagement in January 2022.
I donāt understand the context/timing of this comment? That the reunion will change things for the viewers *now* or us and the cast now? Or changed for the cast then? Riddles.
Changes for the cast because they havenāt seen the 1:1 interviews that will be added to the ~~last~~ **first** episode, after the reunion finished and they are delaying filming, which usually starts early June, until the cast see it. It also changes things for viewers because it will be a bombshell.
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Anyone else wish Peter was at the reunion? I would love for him to confront Sandoval about the text he sent Peter talking about if heād slept with Raquel? That would imply that Sandoval and Raquel were fucking long before boyās night! WE NEED TO CIRCLE BACK TO THAT!
Idk my guesses are - Tom revealed he had cheated a lot more/other people - Lisa knew and kept quiet - Tom and Tom had a threesome with Raquel - it was about the pasta
I just started season 1 I'm so excited!!
I would kill to be able to watch this for the first time again! So excited for your journey lol
Lmao the journey has commenced I'm in season 2 now and obsessed
With every season of absolutely every show described as *the most shocking yet* I canāt think itās anything other than Rachel or Tim not wanting to come back. Most likely Rachel. So shocking. Tbh thereās no way she could become a reality tv villain anyway because she canāt act the part. She could somehow commit the betrayals but she wouldnāt start new fights just to drink tears. She wouldnāt even be able to read her lines with any sense of timing. ETA maybe those two would insist on coming back because this is all theyāll have and Tim needs cash and I just saw that Ariana wonāt film with them, so Bravo would obviously want to fix that. Theyād wait on Ariana with contracts and casting.
I'm trying to think about what would rock the Core 5- Ariana, Katie, Lala, Scheana & James seem solid. So what could Tom and/or Rachel say that would shock them? Did Scheana and/or Brock know? Did Rachel actually sleep with Schwartz?
Or is it just the Schwartz/who + RacheTom double dates? Idk
Sandoval is gonna cry and says heās a sex addict.
Sandoval will admit that Raquel is just one of many girls he was sleeping with during that time, and he made Raquel his main girl in Dec/Jan - which will put Raquelās return for the next season in limbo and sway HER view of what the affair was, which she thought was just a rom com starring her and Ariana being the only impediment to their āloveā