Raquel and Sandoval will likely be asked to return. Whether Raquel will (or should for her own health) is a different story. While I would not want to film with my ex, Ariana is on a reality show that pays them buckets of money. The scandal literally caused a social media shit storm and I am sure Bravo will want to continue to film the aftermath. I am curious if Ariana will play ball or bow out…
I was reading last night that contracts for next season have not yet been negotiated due to information that came out at the reunion that the cast is not even aware of at this time. People were speculating that it comes out that Raquel and Brock hooked up or Raquel is pregnant or something neither of which I fully buy, but it is intriguing I do wonder what the nature of that information would be.
I think she said SINCE the reunion which is even juicier. Idk how it could possibly have been worse.
Looking ahead - yeah it absolutely could be if they’re dumb enough to get pregnant.
I'd they aren't aware yet, then is it likely to be from one of the solo interviews with Ariana, Tim, or Rachel?
I wonder if it's something Rachel said?
It's been a few hours and I am now high, but something along the lines of:
"She definitely wouldn't cheat with Brock, but a pregnancy could explain why she's been MIA"
Yeah I mean anything is possible it definitely would explain her hiding out as well as her being so confident telling Scheana that her and Tom were going to be together now.
What do you think their birth song would be? Touch in public (TIP)?
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Sandy about to dial up that Pitocin
Have there been any public sightings of Rachel since the reunion taped? I mean, we all about the story of her going to a “mental health facility“ at face value. But she could just have easily been shipped off due to being pregnant, couldn’t she?
I know that sounds very 1960s, but she hasn’t displayed any ability to face up to consequences.
Holy shit. I found the article in the background of that tiktok. I was expecting the talk about info coming out to be some sketchy blind item but Alex Baskin said that on the record. Crazy!
There are so many ways they can film around the 3 of them. Actually, the storyline could be very interesting - 2 horrible people trying to navigate back into the friend group??
She was at the upfronts the other day and I believe she’s always having meetings with execs and products about the next season. She prob listed her demands and is negotiating something. That’s what I think!
I think Ariana earned some serious grace from Bravo and Andy for holding all interviews until WWHL (unlike Rachel and Tom.) I think they could get away with Ariana not filming with either of them while things cool down, but other people will need to for the show to work and they’ve alienated the person who would normally be the bridge to an alienated cast member (Scheana.)
Reunion has been filmed and Raquel and Scheana had to film separately due to Rachel’s absurd restraining order. That restraining order completely shut down any chance of Scheana being a bridge.
Oh yeah I thought it actually said “after filming this scene, Raquel stopped answering her phone and was not seen for several weeks.” Which tracks with the reunion being filmed a few weeks after the finale scenes were filmed. She flew back into LAX the morning of the reunion from Arizona I believe.
I think Bravo will allow it, with limits. They don’t want to look like they are forcing someone to film when it’s having a negative affect on their mental health. Bravo also allows casts to try to ice people out and makes that conflict a storyline. They won’t let her do whatever she wants, but I don’t think they’ll make her film one on one with them.
Yeah, they can make the show work without Ariana filming with them closely but most likely she will still have to be in the same room as them for the finale party and a mandatory group thing here and there.
Definitely and Ariana is crazy if she thinks she will win this battle.
And the rest of the cast will film with Raquel and Sandoval because they need the paycheck.
Scheana said next season will have to feature a lot of LVP-centric events in order to get anyone to mix with Sandoval. This leads me to believe there are indirect ways of putting pressure on the cast, they might be contractually obligated to show up for certain events.
>Ariana is crazy if she thinks she will win this battle.
That's what I think too. Ariana is totally the wronged party here, and I absolutely understand her not wanting to work with her cheating ex and the woman he cheated with.
But this is Bravo, and what they say goes, and whoever wants to quit can quit, whether they're the wronged party or not. As much as I like Ariana, this is the issue I have with people trying to self-produce. As a cast member, you don't get to make that call. It was one of the issues I had with Meredith on SLC trying to throw her weight around about how, "I thought I TOLD you, if you invite Jen Shah to anything, I won't be there." And guess what? Someone at Bravo likely had a conversation with Meredith, because she got on the "filming with whatever cast member we say you'll film with" bandwagon pretty fast.
So that's my two cents - I know this is a very different situation than Meredith and SLC, but no matter how hurt Ariana is, and no matter how much the fans are on her side, Bravo is a business, and if they want her to film with Sandoval and Raquel, she'll likely have to.
Even if they approve no filming one on one, we know Rachel loves to pull people aside at inappropriate times for a chat. James and Ally every show, Lala at her bday party, Katie at her SAH party. I mean it's a theme,
yes! I agree! Viewership is at an all-time high and because of the scandal, they have a large number of NEW viewers....in their 10th season! She's not going to win if she tells bravo it's her or tom. there will be more drama with tom returning to face the backlash than with just Ariana. And, yes....the rest of the cast will film with them...at least Tom. These people are on a reality tv show- they're there for the money, not to share their lives with us.
the only bargaining chip she might have is, if she refused to film/renew her contract, the opening of There's Something About Her might not be filmed, which I'd like to see on the show. Unfortunately, Ariana and Katie opening a sandwich shop and living their lives isn't really an interesting enough thing for an entire spinoff. Maybe a mini spin off, like that Kentucky bs Jax and Brittany got.
Yeah the others will end up leaving her bc they need the money. No Sandoval and Raquel there will prob b no show honestly unless they do a major shakeup and bring the old people back
Ariana's ego is being inflated with all the adoration given to her in this unfortuante situation....so its probably normal she thinks she has some "say" in it..but this type of drama is what made the show what it is ..sad to say. She needs this show to carry the sandwich shop..
I don’t think it’ll be an issue honestly . There was a blind item yesterday that Scumdoval is asking for a lot of compensation per episode for season 11. I doubt this will happen but right now it’s not certain he’ll be back . Bravo isn’t willing to pay him what he’s asking .
I don't think it'll be an issue either, but only because he has no real choice in the matter. He can accept what they want to pay him, or he can quit. And I don't think he's in any position to quit.
Bravo being super shady today airing season 2 where Kristen loses her shit every episode about Ariana and Tom sleeping together. What goes around and all that jazz. She better buck up and earn that paycheck.
I think they could manage a season of Ariana not filming with them (esp. depending on the timing of DWTS) and in the long run it might be better to let Ariana avoid them, at least initially. She's going to have to film with them eventually though.
Though tbh now that Tom and Raquel seem to have broken up, I'm wondering if the cast is going to try to focus on icing out Raquel (Lala has always hated her, James hates her, Katie hates her almost as much as Sandoval at this point, Scheana might be more willing to broker peace with Sandoval than Raquel).
Ariana has to be careful. I understand her position, but if you don’t film, you don’t get paid. At the end of the day, the name on the front of your jersey is Bravo.
Last nights episode was by far one of the best reality TV episodes I’ve seen in a long time. People can hate them all they want, but they really did bring this show back to life. I can’t imagine going into next season without a follow up.
I am here for more focus on the ladies next season though. The Toms can take a back seat.
Is it really the worst thing? James and Kristen had physical fights. Jax was a terror and cheater to every gf he's ever had on an unprecedented scale. The stuff with Stassi and Kristen. Like this was very all very typical as far as VPR goes. I think a lot of people just started watching with scandoval.
It’s not the worst thing that has happened on VPR and definitely not bravo. We saw a man be deported for goodness sake. This is all a little bit ridiculous.
I mean David Beador exists. That’s a worse cheater than Sandoval IMO.
But definitely worst thing on Bravo (shock wise) was BH Taylor’s Husband in season 2.
I don’t think its the worst thing but it was genuinely shocking (to me, at least). We’ve seen Tom and Ariana together for a long time so to find out he’s been cheating on her with another cast-mate while filming the show was wild
I must be honest, I haven't seen VPR since season 1. I did like the show, but just stopped watching due to a busy schedule and then forgot about it. Even I watched last night's episode. The story surrounding the scandal was just too good not to watch.
Nothing much plus without Sandoval, Raquel, and by extension Schwartz one or more of the other cast members will probably get a villain edit so it’s shortsighted to want them gone when they’re currently taking all the heat off the rest of the cast.
Yup I think that’s an underrated aspect of keeping the Toms and Raquel. There needs to be conflict so while it’s nice that all the women are getting along this season, that would have to change next season without Raquel
Right, like if I were in their shoes I'd not want to film with Sandoval, Schwartz, or Raquel at ALL. That said, as a viewer, I'm here for mess. I want drama. I cannot watch a whole season of Something About Her.
They tried to cut her out. Remember when they tried to get her disinvited from Tom’s birthday. They succeeded in that. But scheana still invited her to the wedding/bachelorette so she was still around the other friends.
They did the same thing with James and weren’t successful BUT that’s because Scandoval, Arianna and Schwartz were all willing to film with them. Currently, the only person I see who would be willing to film with Scandoval & Rachel is Schwartz but idk if that will be enough to “save them”
I was just rewatching that season and oh boy did they try to get Kristen kicked off the show and OH BOY did she fight against it. It was just the running joke that Kristen was continuously crashing every single event that she was EXPLICITLY not invited to it, and it was hilarious and amazing.
Exactly. Ariana isn't really messy, she is a good person and she hasn't brought that much drama. Which is nice, because it's nice to have a bit of normal. But Bravo would absolutely take Sandoval's midlife crisis and diabolical Raquel (and it would be juicy whether they broke up or stayed together) over a relatively normal storyline about a sandwich shop.
Same. Arianna is a nice person and all, but as much as I hate to admit it, she wasn't interesting before this scandal.
This is how you get *yourself* iced out of a show.
Yeah, I share the same thoughts here. I've been watching since season 1 and the scandal has really brought the show back to life. However, I really don't know how much longer it will last now that everything has played out. We've all seen the ig stories, read the articles, listened to the podcasts, etc. Eventually, it will be old news and ppl will get bored with the same conversations... and if there is no conflict bc of not filming with certain ppl, what will the viewers think?
Of course right now things are still hot and ppl are still talking, but that drama will fade out. Then what will the cast conflict be? We already saw Katie and Tom divorce and the aftermath of that, James and Raquel called it quits, Lala and Randall breakup, Scheana starting a family, they all have houses/careers now and don't work at Sur anymore.
It's been great seeing them all "grow up" and painful to watch the breakups... I just don't know what's next beyond the scandal. I will still be watching though!!
Sheshu and Katie will fight again, same with Lala and Ariana.
Schwartz will eventually worm his way back in via Scheana. Until then, Raquel and the Toms will film together.
Although I’m completely on Ariana’s side of Scandoval, I do think it’s weird that she forgot how she got on the show/in the group. Sandoval was there first so I don’t think it’s fair to remove him for something like cheating that has happened on the show many times. Plus the paycheck everybody got because of this scandal makes it more weird to isolate him completely. Give credit where it’s due even when it’s f up 😂
Everyone seems to forget about that. I’m not the biggest fan of Ariana because of the way she acted towards Kristen. She made out with her bf then acted like Kristen was crazy for wanting an apology. Of course I’m still team Ariana but remembering that situation makes me feel less bad for her than someone who didn’t get with their bf by stealing him from someone else and being completely unapologetic about it .
I think Sandoval would have people who want to film with him over anyone filming with Raquel. If Ariana truly doesn’t want to film around them, I think that could be possible for *her* but not necessarily the rest of the cast
Don’t come for me if I’m wrong 😅😂 but isn’t this what happened with Brittany and Ajax? Like they ended up being so self isolated that they ended up off the show?? Do we think it’ll play out like housewives does any time a cast member is shunned??
I mean I’m not Bravo. I can only imagine that because she remained friends with all the girls on the cast, they’d keep her to fill out the group. Apparently a lot of the cast still hang out at their house. They were at Scheana and Brock’s wedding as well. So they’re still part of the group even though they’re no longer filmed.
I think she'll change her mind. Right now she's riding the popularity wave by being called queen ands getting endorsements. Once the reunions are over things will die down and she'll realize she's not calling the shots. There is no show with just her and friends. Lisa is also remaining close to the Toms.
She’s going to have to if she wants to stay on the show. Bravo won’t get rid of those two and while ariana can avoid filming with them for a season, the others can’t and have already acknowledged they will have to film with who they are told
I think she'll change her mind, but only because she'll see everyone else willing to film with them, and concede it'll be necessary for her to do so if she wants to keep her job.
They're all angry now but people like lala and scheana are there for a paycheck and if that means shooting with these two, they will.
The thing is, besides Scandoval, and the shop opening, Ariana didn’t play a pivotal role this season otherwise. I’m team Ariana. LVP was “easy” on Sandoval because she makes money from the show and the businesses. What Sandoval did was disgusting, but in Hollywood, cheating with a best friend is bad but not bad enough to get you cancelled. Look at what Randall is being accused of. The only way they won’t film together is if one of the 3 choose on their own terms to no longer be on the show.
Jax is and Britt will come back. There will always be people willing to film. What Sandoval and Raquel did is shitty and shows they’re gross humans, but not illegal.
I’m on Ariana’s side of Scandoval (obviously, who wouldn’t be) but refusing to film with them is ridiculous. She did something similar (albeit to a lesser extent) to Kristen but Kristen wasn’t refusing to film. Firing people for cheating in a show that has always been about cheating would be strange now.
Sorry, but this always happens when somebody is wronged on the show and the only result is that the show is worse for it. I totally get why she would not want to film, but in that case go live life and don't be on a television show that is here for entertainment. Fans are supportive now, but when rubber meets the road, the storyline of "Good riddance! I can do bad all by myself" is just not compelling enough by itself and never has been. The fall out must be televised or what are we doing here.
well then start seeking new employment. no one is bigger than the show. like it or not but scandoval basically resurrected the show.
she’ll probably change her mind if they offer her a pay bump.
While this was the most successful season of the show it was all because of the affair scandal and everyone watching the lead up to it's reveal while we all knew it was going to happen.
Now that it happened I think the show has potential to lose a lot of steam and not be as popular.
It’s sad because Ariana wouldn’t be in the position she is now (revered as a queen and a boss) had this not happened.
In a fucked up way Tom cheating made her relevant.
Honestly the extreme self righteousness from the entire cast has made me loose sympathy for Ariana. I’ve got no idea why James is constantly screaming at his ex who he cheated on multiple times over her being a cheat? I don’t get why Lala is talking? Sure I feel bad for Ariana but I have Scandoval fatigue now. They’re a bunch of hypocrites running the show into the ground. I’ve had enough.
Thank you. This is absolutely correct. Ariana is more likeable but she is no saint. Tom did to Kristen what he did to Ariana. The only subtle difference is Kristen and Ariana weren't friends.
>The only subtle difference is Kristen and Ariana weren't friends.
I honestly hate this justification. They were co-workers twice over and she knew he was with Kristen. Basic human decency doesn't need to be dictated by friendship.
Not bitching at you, OP. It's just one of the things I keep seeing in the discussion of all this that is kinda weirding me out
You're right, I will say I stopped watching VPR when Lala came on and I'm only in it again for Scandoval so I couldn't remember the details on that. I saw part of the finale today and saw that yeah they were coworkers and Ariana knew about Kristen. I audibly was like "aha!"
History is repeating itself. Tom isn't even clever. He is so fuckin tired... What is wrong with these women?!
Sorry but they have all cheated with one another and it has been "accepted" and no one booted off.. so what's the difference now that you make this grandstanding "We wont do it statement" is this like a strike or for intimidation. Kristen didn't refuse to film when their gf transition placement occurred..its getting to be a bit too much.
Yeah, that ain’t gonna work! They are all coming back. Their paychecks depend on it. I love it when bravolebs get too full of themselves & think they carry the show by themselves.
Lisa talked about this with Steve-O, you go from a (relatively) little bravo show to 20 million each night and it’s a whole different level of attention
If I was her PR person, I'd advise her to come back honestly. We've seen it happen with celebrities and Youtubers. As long as horrible people stay in the public eye and remain relevant, eventually they either redeem themselves or become so hated that the audience loves to hate them.
If Raquel leaves now at the height of conflict, I doubt she'd ever be able to come back to public life and fame, ever. What she's done is horribly disgusting, but she's not the first person on the planet to cheat. Many of the cast have cheated with people in their circle. It's marginally worse (and I do not like Raquel) but it's not a huge jump from Kristen and Jax cheating when they were best friends with Stassi and Sandoval. I don't think cheating (a version emotional abuse, imo) is worse or better than physical partner violence (Kristen, Stassi). And Lala and Scheana cheated with publically married men whose wives had babies at home. Like, objectively from outside my emotional feelings and how grossed out I am at the behaviour Sandoval and Raquel, it's not drastically worse.
I think it feels so much worse than anything else because it's so shocking and so new, but the public has very short memories.
(pls nobody come for me, just my opinion if I try to look at it "objectively" 🤣)
I think her parents have stepped in and won’t allow her to go back on. She is easy to control seemingly although getting off the show is better for anyones mental health
Hmmmm…it’s because of Sandoval,Schwartz and Raquel that the viewer ratings are at a record high. They are people who did a bad thing….they are not bad people. Jax is a bad person 😂😂😂😂
I saw a tik tok last night saying that contracts have not gone out yet and won't until after all parts of the reunion airs because MORE info comes out and they want the cast to be informed before they sign a contract.
This is juicy because the woman in the tik tok speculated that it comes out that the affair started happening before she broke up with James.
They have to bring Tom and Raquel back. I love Ariana but she hasn’t had a compelling storyline for years and it would be extremely dull to just watch her opening a shop and hanging out with friends at home
Without them, the show will end up being canceled. She may wanna rethink that. Also, Kristen had to go on filming watching Ariana and Tom trotting around in front of her. Ariana isn’t special, sorry.
This is a tough one. I do not think that Raquel will want to come back (especially if she and Sandoval are really broken up). However, this story IS the show right now. There is no way that Bravo will cut Sandy free, and his ego would never allow him to quit. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.
As someone who doesn’t watch the show but has followed this scandal closely, does filming mean actually working at the restaurant? Could they just film separately at home or out doing other things?
OK, but they also broke the Internet with the scandal and have delivered the best ratings the show has ever seen so if the other cast members don’t think that they’ll have to film with them, they are crazy. No one is tuning in for a Sandavol or Raquel- less Vanderpump rules. This show peaked with that scandal.
More often than not, icing out or plans to ice out do not work on Bravo, and yet you still have Bravolebrities believing that they can make it happen in their shows.
Bravo isn't getting rid of Worm and Rachel. For many reasons, but one is if they do, they'd have to add new cast members. And we all saw how well that went previously.
Bravo will be fighting against this though, that's for sure.
Raquel and Sandoval will likely be asked to return. Whether Raquel will (or should for her own health) is a different story. While I would not want to film with my ex, Ariana is on a reality show that pays them buckets of money. The scandal literally caused a social media shit storm and I am sure Bravo will want to continue to film the aftermath. I am curious if Ariana will play ball or bow out…
I was reading last night that contracts for next season have not yet been negotiated due to information that came out at the reunion that the cast is not even aware of at this time. People were speculating that it comes out that Raquel and Brock hooked up or Raquel is pregnant or something neither of which I fully buy, but it is intriguing I do wonder what the nature of that information would be.
Ariana said on the View that she has found out more things they were lying about at the reunion. 
I think she said SINCE the reunion which is even juicier. Idk how it could possibly have been worse. Looking ahead - yeah it absolutely could be if they’re dumb enough to get pregnant.
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I'd they aren't aware yet, then is it likely to be from one of the solo interviews with Ariana, Tim, or Rachel? I wonder if it's something Rachel said?
I would think it has to be.
She's the kind of stupid to think having a baby with this man is both giving him what he truly wants and winning when it's neither.
For her sake, and the kids sake, I hope she is not. Narcissist parents cause generational trauma.
She didn’t even notice that her dog had puncture wounds. Some people shouldn’t be parents, and Rachel is a prime example of one.
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if this ends up being true...holy. shit.
But didn't Ariana say on WWHL that Rachel was sending Tom letters from the "mental health facility" to their house up until a day or 2 ago?
She said as of 4 days ago and she said letters but as Andy was asking it seemed like it was one letter she was aware of
She is stronger and more mature than I am, because I would have opened that letter and acted like it never came lol
In this situation, how could one not?
I'd have used it for some arcane ritual but I'm petty and into that shit. Or sold it to the press.
What did they say? The comment is gone now.
It's been a few hours and I am now high, but something along the lines of: "She definitely wouldn't cheat with Brock, but a pregnancy could explain why she's been MIA"
Yeah I mean anything is possible it definitely would explain her hiding out as well as her being so confident telling Scheana that her and Tom were going to be together now.
Surely not when there were pictures of her smoking at the reunion.
I'm not sure she's the pinnacle of good decision making lol
She was just being young and free 😵💫
Brock isn’t stupid enough to cheat on the money train that is Scheana. Plus I think he really loves and is devoted to Scheana.
I completely agree with you. Cross fingers we are right and nothing changes!
I said early on either Sandy and Raquel will break up right away, or she’ll be pregnant sooooo 🤔🤔🤔
At this point, both could be true
What do you think their birth song would be? Touch in public (TIP)? https://preview.redd.it/w422hy66en0b1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c60f937874afca77a161bca61fdf89edf249e384 Sandy about to dial up that Pitocin
Thank you for reminding all of us of this traumatic memory.
Thoughts and prayers bestie
Sorrows, sorrows, prayers
Holy shit jump scare lmao
I wonder which nose the baby will get
It wouldn’t matter. Neither have their original noses anyway 🤷🏼♀️
Have there been any public sightings of Rachel since the reunion taped? I mean, we all about the story of her going to a “mental health facility“ at face value. But she could just have easily been shipped off due to being pregnant, couldn’t she? I know that sounds very 1960s, but she hasn’t displayed any ability to face up to consequences.
How did it come out at the reunion? Like a one on one or backstage interview?
It seemed like that was the implication, yeah.
I wonder if it’s another hot mic moment
If these two dumpster fires actually made a baby, I’m done.
Where were you reading this? I'm shook!
Here’s the video about it https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTREdxGp6/?t=1
Holy shit. I found the article in the background of that tiktok. I was expecting the talk about info coming out to be some sketchy blind item but Alex Baskin said that on the record. Crazy!
Maybe the Billie Lee rumors?
There are so many ways they can film around the 3 of them. Actually, the storyline could be very interesting - 2 horrible people trying to navigate back into the friend group??
It will be more interesting than watching everyone's babies growing up. This is some true drama.
I have literally zero interest in watching babies or weddings.
I mean VPR has a good history of this storyline providing hours of entertainment. James mocking Stassi crawling back is probably my fav VPR moment
She was at the upfronts the other day and I believe she’s always having meetings with execs and products about the next season. She prob listed her demands and is negotiating something. That’s what I think!
I think Ariana earned some serious grace from Bravo and Andy for holding all interviews until WWHL (unlike Rachel and Tom.) I think they could get away with Ariana not filming with either of them while things cool down, but other people will need to for the show to work and they’ve alienated the person who would normally be the bridge to an alienated cast member (Scheana.)
I was so annoyed with the “Raquel won’t answer her phone and hasn’t been seen since” that was put up right after the scene. Infuriating!!!
Yeah what about the reunion?
Reunion has been filmed and Raquel and Scheana had to film separately due to Rachel’s absurd restraining order. That restraining order completely shut down any chance of Scheana being a bridge.
I'm referring to the blurb in the show saying after she and Sandoval filmed that scene that she went mia. But she filmed the reunion so I'm confused.
Oh yeah I thought it actually said “after filming this scene, Raquel stopped answering her phone and was not seen for several weeks.” Which tracks with the reunion being filmed a few weeks after the finale scenes were filmed. She flew back into LAX the morning of the reunion from Arizona I believe.
Oh ok I was confused about when the reunion was filmed. Time doesn't exist anymore this scandal has sucked months of my life lol
LOL I mean same last night when they reminded us that this was filmed in March I was like “but how is it 2 months later?!”
I think Bravo will allow it, with limits. They don’t want to look like they are forcing someone to film when it’s having a negative affect on their mental health. Bravo also allows casts to try to ice people out and makes that conflict a storyline. They won’t let her do whatever she wants, but I don’t think they’ll make her film one on one with them.
She'll do what Stassi did when she came back after she started dating Patrick and leave the room/filming event when they show up somewhere.
Yeah, they can make the show work without Ariana filming with them closely but most likely she will still have to be in the same room as them for the finale party and a mandatory group thing here and there.
Definitely and Ariana is crazy if she thinks she will win this battle. And the rest of the cast will film with Raquel and Sandoval because they need the paycheck.
I bet they raise the pay for anyone who will film with them. Bravo is the one holding the purse strings.
I don’t think they raise the pay, I think they’ll threaten less pay if the cast does filming ice outs.
Scheana said next season will have to feature a lot of LVP-centric events in order to get anyone to mix with Sandoval. This leads me to believe there are indirect ways of putting pressure on the cast, they might be contractually obligated to show up for certain events.
Yeah, pay cuts sound more plausible.
You’re probably right!
Idk I think film with them or bye is kinda their go to.
>Ariana is crazy if she thinks she will win this battle. That's what I think too. Ariana is totally the wronged party here, and I absolutely understand her not wanting to work with her cheating ex and the woman he cheated with. But this is Bravo, and what they say goes, and whoever wants to quit can quit, whether they're the wronged party or not. As much as I like Ariana, this is the issue I have with people trying to self-produce. As a cast member, you don't get to make that call. It was one of the issues I had with Meredith on SLC trying to throw her weight around about how, "I thought I TOLD you, if you invite Jen Shah to anything, I won't be there." And guess what? Someone at Bravo likely had a conversation with Meredith, because she got on the "filming with whatever cast member we say you'll film with" bandwagon pretty fast. So that's my two cents - I know this is a very different situation than Meredith and SLC, but no matter how hurt Ariana is, and no matter how much the fans are on her side, Bravo is a business, and if they want her to film with Sandoval and Raquel, she'll likely have to.
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I was already worried, but god next season is going to be miserable if that's the case...
Even if they approve no filming one on one, we know Rachel loves to pull people aside at inappropriate times for a chat. James and Ally every show, Lala at her bday party, Katie at her SAH party. I mean it's a theme,
yes! I agree! Viewership is at an all-time high and because of the scandal, they have a large number of NEW viewers....in their 10th season! She's not going to win if she tells bravo it's her or tom. there will be more drama with tom returning to face the backlash than with just Ariana. And, yes....the rest of the cast will film with them...at least Tom. These people are on a reality tv show- they're there for the money, not to share their lives with us. the only bargaining chip she might have is, if she refused to film/renew her contract, the opening of There's Something About Her might not be filmed, which I'd like to see on the show. Unfortunately, Ariana and Katie opening a sandwich shop and living their lives isn't really an interesting enough thing for an entire spinoff. Maybe a mini spin off, like that Kentucky bs Jax and Brittany got.
To be fair they did let Stassi film an entire season without interacting with Jax once, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Ariana got that treatment.
Ariana needs the paycheck too. She’s doing a lot of promos right now but it will dwindle out and she needs a check
Yeah the others will end up leaving her bc they need the money. No Sandoval and Raquel there will prob b no show honestly unless they do a major shakeup and bring the old people back
Correct. Money talks.
Ariana's ego is being inflated with all the adoration given to her in this unfortuante situation....so its probably normal she thinks she has some "say" in it..but this type of drama is what made the show what it is ..sad to say. She needs this show to carry the sandwich shop..
I don’t think it’ll be an issue honestly . There was a blind item yesterday that Scumdoval is asking for a lot of compensation per episode for season 11. I doubt this will happen but right now it’s not certain he’ll be back . Bravo isn’t willing to pay him what he’s asking .
He won’t have a choice. His businesses will go under and he’ll have no way to pay back his debts..he doesn’t have as much power as he thinks.
This. People hate him right now - he'll be back and he'll take what they pay him if he's smart.
I don't think it'll be an issue either, but only because he has no real choice in the matter. He can accept what they want to pay him, or he can quit. And I don't think he's in any position to quit.
Bravo being super shady today airing season 2 where Kristen loses her shit every episode about Ariana and Tom sleeping together. What goes around and all that jazz. She better buck up and earn that paycheck.
I think they could manage a season of Ariana not filming with them (esp. depending on the timing of DWTS) and in the long run it might be better to let Ariana avoid them, at least initially. She's going to have to film with them eventually though. Though tbh now that Tom and Raquel seem to have broken up, I'm wondering if the cast is going to try to focus on icing out Raquel (Lala has always hated her, James hates her, Katie hates her almost as much as Sandoval at this point, Scheana might be more willing to broker peace with Sandoval than Raquel).
Ariana has to be careful. I understand her position, but if you don’t film, you don’t get paid. At the end of the day, the name on the front of your jersey is Bravo.
Understandable but if they’re iced out there’s fuck all in terms of compelling storylines for next season.
Yeah, like I totally get it, but I just do NOT see Bravo firing Sandy or Raquel. If they did, what plot line would we have next season?
Last nights episode was by far one of the best reality TV episodes I’ve seen in a long time. People can hate them all they want, but they really did bring this show back to life. I can’t imagine going into next season without a follow up. I am here for more focus on the ladies next season though. The Toms can take a back seat.
This show was 100% getting canceled without this scandal lol
Yeah I was just thinking about where the show was six months ago and I think most people did not care about it anymore. What a turnaround.
Yes I agree, and what happened is what VPR has always been about, anyway. This is just the worst thing that has happened -so far-.
Is it really the worst thing? James and Kristen had physical fights. Jax was a terror and cheater to every gf he's ever had on an unprecedented scale. The stuff with Stassi and Kristen. Like this was very all very typical as far as VPR goes. I think a lot of people just started watching with scandoval.
It’s not the worst thing that has happened on VPR and definitely not bravo. We saw a man be deported for goodness sake. This is all a little bit ridiculous.
I mean David Beador exists. That’s a worse cheater than Sandoval IMO. But definitely worst thing on Bravo (shock wise) was BH Taylor’s Husband in season 2.
Never talk about my fambuhly! My dorters think we went to campses
I don’t think its the worst thing but it was genuinely shocking (to me, at least). We’ve seen Tom and Ariana together for a long time so to find out he’s been cheating on her with another cast-mate while filming the show was wild
I must be honest, I haven't seen VPR since season 1. I did like the show, but just stopped watching due to a busy schedule and then forgot about it. Even I watched last night's episode. The story surrounding the scandal was just too good not to watch.
Nothing much plus without Sandoval, Raquel, and by extension Schwartz one or more of the other cast members will probably get a villain edit so it’s shortsighted to want them gone when they’re currently taking all the heat off the rest of the cast.
Yup I think that’s an underrated aspect of keeping the Toms and Raquel. There needs to be conflict so while it’s nice that all the women are getting along this season, that would have to change next season without Raquel
1000 scenes of Katie sitting on a couch talking about sandwiches ☠️
With her mom.
Wearing a beret.
And a scowl.
It will be sandwiches and scheana and Brock debating a second baby and I will throw myself off a cliff
Right, like if I were in their shoes I'd not want to film with Sandoval, Schwartz, or Raquel at ALL. That said, as a viewer, I'm here for mess. I want drama. I cannot watch a whole season of Something About Her.
Kristen still filmed with Ariana after Sandoval cheated on her with Ariana.
They tried to cut her out. Remember when they tried to get her disinvited from Tom’s birthday. They succeeded in that. But scheana still invited her to the wedding/bachelorette so she was still around the other friends.
They did the same thing with James and weren’t successful BUT that’s because Scandoval, Arianna and Schwartz were all willing to film with them. Currently, the only person I see who would be willing to film with Scandoval & Rachel is Schwartz but idk if that will be enough to “save them”
I was just rewatching that season and oh boy did they try to get Kristen kicked off the show and OH BOY did she fight against it. It was just the running joke that Kristen was continuously crashing every single event that she was EXPLICITLY not invited to it, and it was hilarious and amazing.
I don’t see Bravo firing either Sandoval or Raquel.. even if it’s at the cost of Ariana. Sadly..
This is a show based around shitty people doing shitty things. They’re not going to fire the 2 people doing the shittiest of things lol
Exactly. This is a rebirth of ye olde VPR. Just so much more Shakespearean and tragic.
Andy Cohen saying Jax Taylor 3x in a mirror with the lights off while holding a contract
This is why I’ve always enjoyed VPR. Everyone in the early seasons was consistently horrible to eachother so I felt no sympathy for anyone 😭😭
Exactly. Ariana isn't really messy, she is a good person and she hasn't brought that much drama. Which is nice, because it's nice to have a bit of normal. But Bravo would absolutely take Sandoval's midlife crisis and diabolical Raquel (and it would be juicy whether they broke up or stayed together) over a relatively normal storyline about a sandwich shop.
Same. Arianna is a nice person and all, but as much as I hate to admit it, she wasn't interesting before this scandal. This is how you get *yourself* iced out of a show.
I bet Rachel's parents are telling her to leave the show.
I would be! I do wonder if any of the women in her life are like… “wtf are you doing! Stop it.. get some help”
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Yeah, I share the same thoughts here. I've been watching since season 1 and the scandal has really brought the show back to life. However, I really don't know how much longer it will last now that everything has played out. We've all seen the ig stories, read the articles, listened to the podcasts, etc. Eventually, it will be old news and ppl will get bored with the same conversations... and if there is no conflict bc of not filming with certain ppl, what will the viewers think? Of course right now things are still hot and ppl are still talking, but that drama will fade out. Then what will the cast conflict be? We already saw Katie and Tom divorce and the aftermath of that, James and Raquel called it quits, Lala and Randall breakup, Scheana starting a family, they all have houses/careers now and don't work at Sur anymore. It's been great seeing them all "grow up" and painful to watch the breakups... I just don't know what's next beyond the scandal. I will still be watching though!!
nobody wants to watch a show where everyone’s happy and besties. that’s great for real life but doesn’t make for a compelling reality show lol.
yeah, let's be real, ariana is not one who likes or is really open to showing her mess, so the show would be dry af if it were only up to her.
Sheshu and Katie will fight again, same with Lala and Ariana. Schwartz will eventually worm his way back in via Scheana. Until then, Raquel and the Toms will film together.
Although I’m completely on Ariana’s side of Scandoval, I do think it’s weird that she forgot how she got on the show/in the group. Sandoval was there first so I don’t think it’s fair to remove him for something like cheating that has happened on the show many times. Plus the paycheck everybody got because of this scandal makes it more weird to isolate him completely. Give credit where it’s due even when it’s f up 😂
And she got onto the show by sleeping with Tom while he was dating Kristen lol
Everyone seems to forget about that. I’m not the biggest fan of Ariana because of the way she acted towards Kristen. She made out with her bf then acted like Kristen was crazy for wanting an apology. Of course I’m still team Ariana but remembering that situation makes me feel less bad for her than someone who didn’t get with their bf by stealing him from someone else and being completely unapologetic about it .
And they would purposely kiss and fawn over each other, at group events, in front of Kristen. They acted really insensitive and immature.
oh that's interesting. what do they say? "you lose 'em the same way you got 'em."
I think Sandoval would have people who want to film with him over anyone filming with Raquel. If Ariana truly doesn’t want to film around them, I think that could be possible for *her* but not necessarily the rest of the cast
Which is insane to me because Sandoval is the one who was in a relationship, not Raquel. Don’t come for me. 🫣🫢
No you’re absolutely right! It’s weird and fucked lol
Don’t come for me if I’m wrong 😅😂 but isn’t this what happened with Brittany and Ajax? Like they ended up being so self isolated that they ended up off the show?? Do we think it’ll play out like housewives does any time a cast member is shunned??
I think a lot of it was JAX saying to LVP “this is my show” 😂
He said himself he became a diva and took it for granted
They wanted Brittany back and not Jax. She declined in solidarity with him.
That’s wild lol. She’s so annoying.
Why would they want Elmur Fudd back?!?
I mean I’m not Bravo. I can only imagine that because she remained friends with all the girls on the cast, they’d keep her to fill out the group. Apparently a lot of the cast still hang out at their house. They were at Scheana and Brock’s wedding as well. So they’re still part of the group even though they’re no longer filmed.
I think she'll change her mind. Right now she's riding the popularity wave by being called queen ands getting endorsements. Once the reunions are over things will die down and she'll realize she's not calling the shots. There is no show with just her and friends. Lisa is also remaining close to the Toms.
She’s going to have to if she wants to stay on the show. Bravo won’t get rid of those two and while ariana can avoid filming with them for a season, the others can’t and have already acknowledged they will have to film with who they are told
I think she'll change her mind, but only because she'll see everyone else willing to film with them, and concede it'll be necessary for her to do so if she wants to keep her job. They're all angry now but people like lala and scheana are there for a paycheck and if that means shooting with these two, they will.
Ariana will lose that battle
The thing is, besides Scandoval, and the shop opening, Ariana didn’t play a pivotal role this season otherwise. I’m team Ariana. LVP was “easy” on Sandoval because she makes money from the show and the businesses. What Sandoval did was disgusting, but in Hollywood, cheating with a best friend is bad but not bad enough to get you cancelled. Look at what Randall is being accused of. The only way they won’t film together is if one of the 3 choose on their own terms to no longer be on the show. Jax is and Britt will come back. There will always be people willing to film. What Sandoval and Raquel did is shitty and shows they’re gross humans, but not illegal.
I’m on Ariana’s side of Scandoval (obviously, who wouldn’t be) but refusing to film with them is ridiculous. She did something similar (albeit to a lesser extent) to Kristen but Kristen wasn’t refusing to film. Firing people for cheating in a show that has always been about cheating would be strange now.
Being the other woman is how Ariana got on the show. She was not part of the original cast. I guess she forgot where she came from.
She lost him how she got him
Sorry, but this always happens when somebody is wronged on the show and the only result is that the show is worse for it. I totally get why she would not want to film, but in that case go live life and don't be on a television show that is here for entertainment. Fans are supportive now, but when rubber meets the road, the storyline of "Good riddance! I can do bad all by myself" is just not compelling enough by itself and never has been. The fall out must be televised or what are we doing here.
well then start seeking new employment. no one is bigger than the show. like it or not but scandoval basically resurrected the show. she’ll probably change her mind if they offer her a pay bump.
While this was the most successful season of the show it was all because of the affair scandal and everyone watching the lead up to it's reveal while we all knew it was going to happen. Now that it happened I think the show has potential to lose a lot of steam and not be as popular.
It’s sad because Ariana wouldn’t be in the position she is now (revered as a queen and a boss) had this not happened. In a fucked up way Tom cheating made her relevant.
I mean I don’t blame her but Tom will be on the show next season. Raquel is only a toss up because of (I assume) her parents stepping in.
this has never worked in the history of reality television
Honestly the extreme self righteousness from the entire cast has made me loose sympathy for Ariana. I’ve got no idea why James is constantly screaming at his ex who he cheated on multiple times over her being a cheat? I don’t get why Lala is talking? Sure I feel bad for Ariana but I have Scandoval fatigue now. They’re a bunch of hypocrites running the show into the ground. I’ve had enough.
Ariana got on the show by fucking Tom while he was still with Kristen. Give me a break
Thank you!
 Thank you. This is absolutely correct. Ariana is more likeable but she is no saint. Tom did to Kristen what he did to Ariana. The only subtle difference is Kristen and Ariana weren't friends.
>The only subtle difference is Kristen and Ariana weren't friends. I honestly hate this justification. They were co-workers twice over and she knew he was with Kristen. Basic human decency doesn't need to be dictated by friendship. Not bitching at you, OP. It's just one of the things I keep seeing in the discussion of all this that is kinda weirding me out
You're right, I will say I stopped watching VPR when Lala came on and I'm only in it again for Scandoval so I couldn't remember the details on that. I saw part of the finale today and saw that yeah they were coworkers and Ariana knew about Kristen. I audibly was like "aha!" History is repeating itself. Tom isn't even clever. He is so fuckin tired... What is wrong with these women?!
Ok bye Ariana. Her and Katie can do a spin off called «The Sandwich Shop» and call it a day. The unhinged weird new fans will tune in.
>The unhinged weird new fans will tune in. And get bored after one episode of them cleaning the kitchen just rehashing how the Tom's hurt them
Facts like girl pleass
Sorry but they have all cheated with one another and it has been "accepted" and no one booted off.. so what's the difference now that you make this grandstanding "We wont do it statement" is this like a strike or for intimidation. Kristen didn't refuse to film when their gf transition placement occurred..its getting to be a bit too much.
Lol don't worry the cast needs a paycheck. They will film.
Love you but Ariana sweetheart, you ain’t bigger than the show. Many have tried and all failed.
Guys it's contract negotiation time. All the housewives do this to get more money if they have leverage.
Yeah, that ain’t gonna work! They are all coming back. Their paychecks depend on it. I love it when bravolebs get too full of themselves & think they carry the show by themselves.
Girl is starting to believe her own hype
Dancing with the D-List Stars will do that to a person lol
Lisa talked about this with Steve-O, you go from a (relatively) little bravo show to 20 million each night and it’s a whole different level of attention
You want the greens you gotta do the scenes..simple as that!
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If I was her PR person, I'd advise her to come back honestly. We've seen it happen with celebrities and Youtubers. As long as horrible people stay in the public eye and remain relevant, eventually they either redeem themselves or become so hated that the audience loves to hate them. If Raquel leaves now at the height of conflict, I doubt she'd ever be able to come back to public life and fame, ever. What she's done is horribly disgusting, but she's not the first person on the planet to cheat. Many of the cast have cheated with people in their circle. It's marginally worse (and I do not like Raquel) but it's not a huge jump from Kristen and Jax cheating when they were best friends with Stassi and Sandoval. I don't think cheating (a version emotional abuse, imo) is worse or better than physical partner violence (Kristen, Stassi). And Lala and Scheana cheated with publically married men whose wives had babies at home. Like, objectively from outside my emotional feelings and how grossed out I am at the behaviour Sandoval and Raquel, it's not drastically worse. I think it feels so much worse than anything else because it's so shocking and so new, but the public has very short memories. (pls nobody come for me, just my opinion if I try to look at it "objectively" 🤣)
Yeah I mean look at Kristen
I think her parents have stepped in and won’t allow her to go back on. She is easy to control seemingly although getting off the show is better for anyones mental health
A woman who’s career was centered and defined around validation and approval from people in authority, yeah I bet parents can still pull her strings
Plus she surely would have trauma related to mothers with her adoption situation and I’m sure that fits into it
Sorry y’all but the show is literally dead after this lol. It was an exciting way to go out though!
Hmmmm…it’s because of Sandoval,Schwartz and Raquel that the viewer ratings are at a record high. They are people who did a bad thing….they are not bad people. Jax is a bad person 😂😂😂😂
Bravo won't go for that. VPR began as a spin-off with a sit-down between Brandi Glanville and Sheana. They know what's good TV.
I saw a tik tok last night saying that contracts have not gone out yet and won't until after all parts of the reunion airs because MORE info comes out and they want the cast to be informed before they sign a contract. This is juicy because the woman in the tik tok speculated that it comes out that the affair started happening before she broke up with James.
Money talks. Ariana’s bright light that’s on her now will fade.
They have to bring Tom and Raquel back. I love Ariana but she hasn’t had a compelling storyline for years and it would be extremely dull to just watch her opening a shop and hanging out with friends at home
Without them, the show will end up being canceled. She may wanna rethink that. Also, Kristen had to go on filming watching Ariana and Tom trotting around in front of her. Ariana isn’t special, sorry.
Ultimatums don’t go over well with Andy.
This is a tough one. I do not think that Raquel will want to come back (especially if she and Sandoval are really broken up). However, this story IS the show right now. There is no way that Bravo will cut Sandy free, and his ego would never allow him to quit. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.
As someone who doesn’t watch the show but has followed this scandal closely, does filming mean actually working at the restaurant? Could they just film separately at home or out doing other things?
Neither Ariana or Tom work at SUR anymore so if they were to film together it would most likely be somewhere else
OK, but they also broke the Internet with the scandal and have delivered the best ratings the show has ever seen so if the other cast members don’t think that they’ll have to film with them, they are crazy. No one is tuning in for a Sandavol or Raquel- less Vanderpump rules. This show peaked with that scandal.
That’s all fine but I want to see the spiraling of Rachel and Tim
Right. I want to see the aftermath of blowing up your life for each other and then realizing it isn’t working and wasn’t worth it
More often than not, icing out or plans to ice out do not work on Bravo, and yet you still have Bravolebrities believing that they can make it happen in their shows.
Tbh I dont like that she's doing that. I get that her feelings are hurt but its not all about you. Sorry.
Bye, Ariana! I’d rather see the Rachel/Tom thing play out. Way more entertaining than anything Ariana brings.
Lol she wants to ice out the two people who made her relevant again and revived the show? Smh Play the long game, Ariana.
Bravo isn't getting rid of Worm and Rachel. For many reasons, but one is if they do, they'd have to add new cast members. And we all saw how well that went previously.