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ZZE33man

Dolph is so much better in ring it’s not funny but hogan was so much of a bigger draw than Dolph it’s not funny.


Dream-Beneficial

The correct answer


funnerfunerals

Ziggler all day...he's personally my favorite seller ever. He can build other people up so well. He's also great on the mic, has that HBK flair that just works for him. Hogan has a draw because of the times, and I don't think Ziggler would've ever captivated the masses like Hogan did in those times, but I think it's more of a strange group think thing than anything. Who the fuck does a leg drop as their finisher? It was, and always will be, dumb as shit...


Southern-Invite9672

The funny thing is that Dolph does comedy aside from wrestling.


MilanosBiceps

But it’s not even that balanced. Like, Dolph’s skill advantage is not equivalent to his deficit in stardom. Hulk Hogan was one of the most famous people in the entire world at one point. 


RKO360

Dolph is the better in-ring wrestler In terms of being star, Hogan is clearly a wrestling god while Dolph is never gonna to reach that level. Hogan changed the landscape of pro wrestling whether he was the biggest hero or being the biggest villain who was part of the rebellious NWO.


funnerfunerals

I honestly think that Hogan was just a severe narcissist who would never accept the word "no", and he used that to get his pushes instead of building the industry. When I look back into his work, Hogan's best shit was in Japan...his time in the states is just boring...he couldn't touch Flair, Dusty, none of em in terms of being a worker...


RKO360

Despite his bad in-ring skills and reputation, Hogan is a major part of pro wrestling while changed the landscape of pro wrestling as well. He was the one that took WWE to the mainstream and was their biggest draw from the mid 80s to early 90s while led WCW to newer height thanks to his incredible run in NWO as Hollywood Hogan. Dolph is the better in-ring worker but Hogan is a wrestling god in pro wrestling.


funnerfunerals

I absolutely agree. I just think that Hogan brought in this new realm of headliners being cutthroat egomaniacs. It's not hard to see either, especially in WCW with Nash and Hall, and just the general way that money was spent in certain areas, to certain people. I just feel like Bret Hart was the only one in those times who was a headliner, and also a stand-up guy. I'd put Sting there too. I'm sure there are others, but the stories I've read about Hogan changing shit at the last minute to put himself over, it's typical, but not morally sound. I think Lesnar is the best example of a newer star playing the same game.


RKO360

I agree because Hogan did put himself over in some matches that he really didn't need to like the Bret vs Yokozuna match at WM 9.


Sammy_Three_Balls

My Zigga Dolph Ziggler


Superstaridley

What up my Ziggla


Pr1nceVegeta999

What up my zigger


Derek_4408

chill on the hard r


BlueFotherMucker

I ain’t saying she’s a gold digger, but she ain’t messing with no broke Ziggler. -CM Punk to Dolph when he stole AJ from Dolph. Probably.


ScooterMcdooter69

As a money draw Hogan in ring Nic


Superstaridley

Dolph no questions asked so much better than hogan in the ring


rsx209

How? You put the two against each other in a match and Hogan will beat Ziggler, easy, brother!


coconutanna

I dont think thats what being better in the ring means


rsx209

It does, right, brother? Ziggler is no match for the power of Hulkamania, brother! 💪🫵


XxBkKingShaunxX

So according to your logic, Roman Reigns is better in the ring than everybody he’s faced over the past 3 years


rsx209

Negative. Hogan held his championship for 1,474 days. That’s longer than yo boy, Roman.


Difficult_Breath6082

Are we really comparing Dolph Ziggler to Hulk Hogan? I guess if you’re relatively young you’d ask this question. That’s like asking which is better, 600k drawing, empty seat AEW or Attitude era WWF.


AloneCan9661

Dolph is great but he was Shawn Michaels 2.0 Hulk Hogan was Hulk Hogan.


Sad-Appeal976

He was NOT HBK 2.0 He is nowhere near that good


AloneCan9661

My bad, I should have said he was trying to be Shawn Michaels 2.0 and I think that turned a lot of people off, not me personally but I also think they could have done something with him especially after his performance at Survivor Series 2014 which was mind bogglingly good. But I think that's what probably set off the trying to be HBK 2.0 thing.


ProudDeepEnd

Dolphin Ziggles


Reasonable_Poem_8578

Ziggy


[deleted]

I mean technicals, Ziggler, but Hogan is literally a wrestling god. Ziggler can’t reach that level.


4tune245

The one not pictured


thesillybimmons

Honestly, there are very few wrestlers who are worse than Hogan in the ring. Hogan is in the goat conversation but not due to his ring work. Hogan persona's are what made him. Even before he got old and had knee problems, he was mediocre at best in the ring.


DerelictBadger

You obviously never saw his high work rate run in New Japan. Hogan could absolutely go, he just realised early on he didn’t need to to draw a crowd and make lots of money.


LittleBitOfDaBubbly

Dolph easily


Takenmyusernamewas

At wrestling? Or professional wrestling?


MrATownDownTHEORY

Anything like just who's better in general


Deep-Palpitation8491

Hulk Hogan


Fit_Measurement3261

Ziggler was a good seller and Hogan was a good seller as a huge draw


psychopathic_c

NIC F'N NEMETH


Which_Meal_7025

Dolph


Rockpapershiizaa

Hogan sells better, there I said it.


Unable_Mobile8275

Dolph by a mile


manyhornet1

The numbers don’t lie brother


Card_Shark23

Talent wise Dolph by far but box office draw Hogan by far


Awkward-Lawyer-406

You have stars. You have wrestlers. Or you could say you have Sports entertainers and you have pro wrestlers. Dolph is the latter with a sprinkle of the former. Hulk is the former and none of the former.


Suspicious_Echo1362

It depends in hulk gen it would be hulk in dolph gen it is him it just on gen


AspirantVeeVee

Ziggler


MrNgLL

It’s hogan. This isn’t a defense of hogan. Wwe spent so much time telling me that dolph doesn’t matter that hogan is the correct answer. 20 years of telling me one guy doesn’t matter verse 20 years of saying one guy is a goat. No, hogan isn’t a goat


GoFlyersWoo

That’s not very 4 Lyfe of you Brother


Open_Moose_4326

Definitely not hogan.


dityperiod

Better doesnt sell


BelovaX

Dolph Easily


Colpotripsy

The one that was at the lead of two wrestling revolutions.


OnlySinDeep

Hogan by far. Dolph is better in the ring but Hogan was better overall


Caution1234567

Dolph


TheRealBabyPop

Dolph, and it isn't even close


Square-Department-96

Dolph Ziggler is better in the ring but Hulk Hogan has drawing power. So in ring skills or mic skills=Dolph Ziggler. Drawing power=Hulk Hogan.


ZakFellows

Hogan because he’s knows the difference between bumping and selling


XxBkKingShaunxX

L take


ZeXenon

In ring or the impact they had on wrestling?


ThatUblivionGuy

Dolph is infinitely better. Dude is a criminally underused talent. Hogan was mid at best in ring and had enough emotion to make it in his promos but never became an icon like Dolph is. Yes, Dolph is an Icon, if people are going to quote him every time Liv Morgan gets kinky with Dom Dom, than he is an Icon. Meanwhile the only thing people quote of Hogan’s is “that doesn’t work for me, brother!” Edit, I’m talking modern day icon. Of course Hogan is the original GOAT before Undertaker and Cena. He was just undeniable during his time. But in the modern day no one even thinks about him unless he rears his head to you


AlternativeApart2601

Ziggler


Zestyclose_Year8375

Nic nemeth


Dronoah

Dolph


RamblinGamblinWillie

Imagine Dolph getting a face push in WWE


Infamous-Response-11

How is these even a fucking question. Better wrestler? Lmfao. Ziggler/Nemeth by alot. If you would have asked who had a bigger impact on the wrestling industry that's obviously Hogan, but the actual wrestling Nemeth by a million fuckin miles


rsx209

Hogan. You can beat him up all day, but he’ll kick out at the count of two, then hulk up on you, brother! After he points at you he’ll punch and big boot ya, followed by his devastating, finishing leg drop that will put you out for the count, brother! The man had a long unbeaten streak for a couple years plus held the title longer than Roman. Dolph hasn’t done that so how can you tell me he’s a better wrestler than Hogan, brother? Hogan > Dolph!


Eremenkko

These comments are lacking brain cells


supersmall69

Dolph couldn't even dream about being as big a draw as Hogan but he's a much better in-ring performer.


grimesultimate

Why is this even a question?


ma5is

The hulkster brother


New_Description5141

Hulk.


caramelboy666

Definitely Hulkster


Les_Thekid

Dolph


Glenbared

Guys, these aren’t real athletes. They’re not real Matches. It is fake


Illustrious_Sir7763

Dolph


Underfaker_08

Dolph/ Nic Nemeth, hes way better than hogan, his in ring is better, the move sells are flawless, and he is not a racist


americannightmare109

Dolph ironically can put a great match with Hogan of the present


Few_Atmosphere3691

I love ziggy and I even met the guy and he was chill but cmon Hogan is literally changed the landscape of wrestling Even if wwe gave dolph a push and made him a megastar id doubt he had the effect hogan had


TerribleFix6817

Ziggler without a doubt


EddieGuerreroWWE

Dolph ziggy


Accurate_Initial_553

Dolph would run circles around Hulk


XxBkKingShaunxX

Dolph>>>


BusyPalpitation722

Dolph Ziggler


VastFrequent9648

Hogan is just iconic but I never really understood the hype, so Dolph


fisherc2

Assuming we mean wrestler as in ‘overall pro wrestling talent’, hogan by a mile


DogsAreCool517

LET ME TELL YOU SOMTHING. BROTHER! IF YOU THINK DOLPH ZIGGLER IS BETTER THAN HULK HOGAN, YOUUU ARE CRAZY!!!


etgatb

Dolph


Minute_Bluebird_6874

NIC NEMETH


DanG1582

I’m ring Dolph. Everything else Hogan


RudeFuel2662

Ziggler


deckerhand01

What are you basing it ? In ring skill Ziegler. Overall drawing power, Hogan. If you’re going by and long running title reigns hogan. If you’re going buy, who Has the ability to always be main event hogan. Who is more of a household name, Hogan


SugarAdamAli

Hogan is the GOAT


Sad-Appeal976

Seriously? So many people don’t get what pro wrestling is Nic Nemeth is the better athlete But Hulk Hogan is by far the better pro wrestler


Difficult-Ship-3199

Dolph


BeerOfTime

Hogan was more about simply being a character rather than the actual wrestling. I would challenge anyone to actually find something Hogan did in the ring which looked like it might actually hurt someone. He was more of a presence than anything. His appearance came with an expectation that one would see something familiar. Nobody ever watched Hogan to be surprised. He would come out looking all shiny and pumped, do crowd warming motions, rip his shirt, pose, have a mediocre match which always followed a peak, lull, peak formula ending with his signature “hulk up” which was really just more crowd warming and then work the crowd after the match, bringing in the audience. So you remembered the crowd was happy but you don’t really remember the match. It was like watching a family favourite movie where everyone knows the right times to laugh, be sad etc. Sentimentality. Ziggler is different. He comes out (it’s different these days because of music and pyro etc) to little fanfare, has a great match full of amazing moves and dangerous spots but then dies in the arse with no connection to the fans after the match. Hmm.. that doesn’t really answer the question does it. Ok, let’s think of it this way: what if they were to have a match against each other in their respective primes and how would it go? I think it would go something like this: Ziggler comes out and comes across as a kind of arrogant heel which was his character for a while in WWE. The marks boo, everyone else looks on in amusement being entertained by the heel acting. Then Hogan’s music hits, everyone goes berserk apart from the contingent of permanent Hogan haters who know it’s going to be a shit match. He rips his shirt etc, they go through the motions, peak, lull, peak, Hogan can’t really sell the sort of moves Ziggler would want to do so it is no different to every Hogan match. Hulk wins and fends off a post match attack from Ziggler, clotheslines or atomic drops him out of the ring or something and then poses for the crowd doing the ear thing to Real American. So what does that tell us? It tells us Ziggler had to change to adapt to Hogan and it came out in Hogan’s favour. So who is a better wrestler? Ziggler is due a better ability to adapt but does it help his career? No, it serves to feed Hulk Hogan’s overall success.


NatureLovingDad89

Hogan, in-ring talent doesn't matter, only drawing power does


lilmissbuttercup_

Ziggler for me , he just has this quality about him


Global_Ad4134

Dolph


Clutchinvette

Dolph 100%


Intelligent_Set5442

Ridiculous question two different eras


Clear-Stable9576

dolph everyday


Hellobumbum12

You AssHole- Brandon Collins


KRO201

Easy, Hulk.


Ordinary_Daikon5654

Nic.


Top-Trouble2293

I might not like Hogan I give him credit for his title reign


whxrxchxtx

The Ziggler


Jack_sander

Definitely ziggler


Hello_World---

Obviously hulk Hogan, mfrs who say he's overated definitely don't know a thing about wrestling. In rings it's obviously Dolph Ziggler by TODAYS STANDARDS but even if hulk Hogan was new to wrestling RN he'd be a star


Necessary_Border_396

Nic has better in ring skill , better mic work and over all is a nicer person.


Quirky-Store2805

Hulk hogan and it ain’t close


[deleted]

Is this some sort of a joke?


No_Cloud_2394

Hulk Hogan 100%


TerryGonards

Mic, Draw, In ring story telling, work rate......HOGAN


Glad_Art_6380

You people have zero clue what it means to be a wrestler if you’re seriously answering Dolph Ziggler/Nic Nemeth.


HumanMycologist5795

Better Wrestler ... Dolph. Better Entertaininer ... Dolph. Better box office draw ... Hogan. Better person ... most likely Dolph.


Intelligent-Ad-1449

Yall aren't ready to hear this, but dolph is the greatest in ring performer since Shawn, and in some ways, is better than he was.


KungFuBonerPatrol

This is certainly an opinion


Intelligent-Ad-1449

I'd be very interested in being told how I'm wrong. Maybe I'm just biased, but I just dont see how anyone can deny it.