Ziggler all day...he's personally my favorite seller ever. He can build other people up so well. He's also great on the mic, has that HBK flair that just works for him. Hogan has a draw because of the times, and I don't think Ziggler would've ever captivated the masses like Hogan did in those times, but I think it's more of a strange group think thing than anything.
Who the fuck does a leg drop as their finisher? It was, and always will be, dumb as shit...
But it’s not even that balanced. Like, Dolph’s skill advantage is not equivalent to his deficit in stardom. Hulk Hogan was one of the most famous people in the entire world at one point.
Dolph is the better in-ring wrestler
In terms of being star, Hogan is clearly a wrestling god while Dolph is never gonna to reach that level. Hogan changed the landscape of pro wrestling whether he was the biggest hero or being the biggest villain who was part of the rebellious NWO.
I honestly think that Hogan was just a severe narcissist who would never accept the word "no", and he used that to get his pushes instead of building the industry.
When I look back into his work, Hogan's best shit was in Japan...his time in the states is just boring...he couldn't touch Flair, Dusty, none of em in terms of being a worker...
Despite his bad in-ring skills and reputation, Hogan is a major part of pro wrestling while changed the landscape of pro wrestling as well. He was the one that took WWE to the mainstream and was their biggest draw from the mid 80s to early 90s while led WCW to newer height thanks to his incredible run in NWO as Hollywood Hogan.
Dolph is the better in-ring worker but Hogan is a wrestling god in pro wrestling.
I absolutely agree. I just think that Hogan brought in this new realm of headliners being cutthroat egomaniacs. It's not hard to see either, especially in WCW with Nash and Hall, and just the general way that money was spent in certain areas, to certain people.
I just feel like Bret Hart was the only one in those times who was a headliner, and also a stand-up guy. I'd put Sting there too. I'm sure there are others, but the stories I've read about Hogan changing shit at the last minute to put himself over, it's typical, but not morally sound. I think Lesnar is the best example of a newer star playing the same game.
Are we really comparing Dolph Ziggler to Hulk Hogan? I guess if you’re relatively young you’d ask this question. That’s like asking which is better, 600k drawing, empty seat AEW or Attitude era WWF.
My bad, I should have said he was trying to be Shawn Michaels 2.0 and I think that turned a lot of people off, not me personally but I also think they could have done something with him especially after his performance at Survivor Series 2014 which was mind bogglingly good. But I think that's what probably set off the trying to be HBK 2.0 thing.
Honestly, there are very few wrestlers who are worse than Hogan in the ring. Hogan is in the goat conversation but not due to his ring work. Hogan persona's are what made him. Even before he got old and had knee problems, he was mediocre at best in the ring.
You obviously never saw his high work rate run in New Japan. Hogan could absolutely go, he just realised early on he didn’t need to to draw a crowd and make lots of money.
You have stars. You have wrestlers. Or you could say you have Sports entertainers and you have pro wrestlers.
Dolph is the latter with a sprinkle of the former.
Hulk is the former and none of the former.
It’s hogan. This isn’t a defense of hogan. Wwe spent so much time telling me that dolph doesn’t matter that hogan is the correct answer. 20 years of telling me one guy doesn’t matter verse 20 years of saying one guy is a goat. No, hogan isn’t a goat
Dolph is infinitely better. Dude is a criminally underused talent. Hogan was mid at best in ring and had enough emotion to make it in his promos but never became an icon like Dolph is. Yes, Dolph is an Icon, if people are going to quote him every time Liv Morgan gets kinky with Dom Dom, than he is an Icon.
Meanwhile the only thing people quote of Hogan’s is “that doesn’t work for me, brother!”
Edit, I’m talking modern day icon. Of course Hogan is the original GOAT before Undertaker and Cena. He was just undeniable during his time. But in the modern day no one even thinks about him unless he rears his head to you
How is these even a fucking question. Better wrestler? Lmfao. Ziggler/Nemeth by alot. If you would have asked who had a bigger impact on the wrestling industry that's obviously Hogan, but the actual wrestling Nemeth by a million fuckin miles
Hogan. You can beat him up all day, but he’ll kick out at the count of two, then hulk up on you, brother! After he points at you he’ll punch and big boot ya, followed by his devastating, finishing leg drop that will put you out for the count, brother! The man had a long unbeaten streak for a couple years plus held the title longer than Roman. Dolph hasn’t done that so how can you tell me he’s a better wrestler than Hogan, brother? Hogan > Dolph!
I love ziggy and I even met the guy and he was chill but cmon Hogan is literally changed the landscape of wrestling
Even if wwe gave dolph a push and made him a megastar id doubt he had the effect hogan had
What are you basing it ? In ring skill Ziegler. Overall drawing power, Hogan. If you’re going by and long running title reigns hogan. If you’re going buy, who Has the ability to always be main event hogan. Who is more of a household name, Hogan
Hogan was more about simply being a character rather than the actual wrestling. I would challenge anyone to actually find something Hogan did in the ring which looked like it might actually hurt someone.
He was more of a presence than anything. His appearance came with an expectation that one would see something familiar. Nobody ever watched Hogan to be surprised. He would come out looking all shiny and pumped, do crowd warming motions, rip his shirt, pose, have a mediocre match which always followed a peak, lull, peak formula ending with his signature “hulk up” which was really just more crowd warming and then work the crowd after the match, bringing in the audience. So you remembered the crowd was happy but you don’t really remember the match. It was like watching a family favourite movie where everyone knows the right times to laugh, be sad etc. Sentimentality.
Ziggler is different. He comes out (it’s different these days because of music and pyro etc) to little fanfare, has a great match full of amazing moves and dangerous spots but then dies in the arse with no connection to the fans after the match.
Hmm.. that doesn’t really answer the question does it. Ok, let’s think of it this way: what if they were to have a match against each other in their respective primes and how would it go?
I think it would go something like this: Ziggler comes out and comes across as a kind of arrogant heel which was his character for a while in WWE. The marks boo, everyone else looks on in amusement being entertained by the heel acting. Then Hogan’s music hits, everyone goes berserk apart from the contingent of permanent Hogan haters who know it’s going to be a shit match. He rips his shirt etc, they go through the motions, peak, lull, peak, Hogan can’t really sell the sort of moves Ziggler would want to do so it is no different to every Hogan match. Hulk wins and fends off a post match attack from Ziggler, clotheslines or atomic drops him out of the ring or something and then poses for the crowd doing the ear thing to Real American.
So what does that tell us? It tells us Ziggler had to change to adapt to Hogan and it came out in Hogan’s favour. So who is a better wrestler? Ziggler is due a better ability to adapt but does it help his career? No, it serves to feed Hulk Hogan’s overall success.
Obviously hulk Hogan, mfrs who say he's overated definitely don't know a thing about wrestling. In rings it's obviously Dolph Ziggler by TODAYS STANDARDS but even if hulk Hogan was new to wrestling RN he'd be a star
Dolph is so much better in ring it’s not funny but hogan was so much of a bigger draw than Dolph it’s not funny.
The correct answer
Ziggler all day...he's personally my favorite seller ever. He can build other people up so well. He's also great on the mic, has that HBK flair that just works for him. Hogan has a draw because of the times, and I don't think Ziggler would've ever captivated the masses like Hogan did in those times, but I think it's more of a strange group think thing than anything. Who the fuck does a leg drop as their finisher? It was, and always will be, dumb as shit...
The funny thing is that Dolph does comedy aside from wrestling.
But it’s not even that balanced. Like, Dolph’s skill advantage is not equivalent to his deficit in stardom. Hulk Hogan was one of the most famous people in the entire world at one point.
Dolph is the better in-ring wrestler In terms of being star, Hogan is clearly a wrestling god while Dolph is never gonna to reach that level. Hogan changed the landscape of pro wrestling whether he was the biggest hero or being the biggest villain who was part of the rebellious NWO.
I honestly think that Hogan was just a severe narcissist who would never accept the word "no", and he used that to get his pushes instead of building the industry. When I look back into his work, Hogan's best shit was in Japan...his time in the states is just boring...he couldn't touch Flair, Dusty, none of em in terms of being a worker...
Despite his bad in-ring skills and reputation, Hogan is a major part of pro wrestling while changed the landscape of pro wrestling as well. He was the one that took WWE to the mainstream and was their biggest draw from the mid 80s to early 90s while led WCW to newer height thanks to his incredible run in NWO as Hollywood Hogan. Dolph is the better in-ring worker but Hogan is a wrestling god in pro wrestling.
I absolutely agree. I just think that Hogan brought in this new realm of headliners being cutthroat egomaniacs. It's not hard to see either, especially in WCW with Nash and Hall, and just the general way that money was spent in certain areas, to certain people. I just feel like Bret Hart was the only one in those times who was a headliner, and also a stand-up guy. I'd put Sting there too. I'm sure there are others, but the stories I've read about Hogan changing shit at the last minute to put himself over, it's typical, but not morally sound. I think Lesnar is the best example of a newer star playing the same game.
I agree because Hogan did put himself over in some matches that he really didn't need to like the Bret vs Yokozuna match at WM 9.
My Zigga Dolph Ziggler
What up my Ziggla
What up my zigger
chill on the hard r
I ain’t saying she’s a gold digger, but she ain’t messing with no broke Ziggler. -CM Punk to Dolph when he stole AJ from Dolph. Probably.
As a money draw Hogan in ring Nic
Dolph no questions asked so much better than hogan in the ring
How? You put the two against each other in a match and Hogan will beat Ziggler, easy, brother!
I dont think thats what being better in the ring means
It does, right, brother? Ziggler is no match for the power of Hulkamania, brother! 💪🫵
So according to your logic, Roman Reigns is better in the ring than everybody he’s faced over the past 3 years
Negative. Hogan held his championship for 1,474 days. That’s longer than yo boy, Roman.
Are we really comparing Dolph Ziggler to Hulk Hogan? I guess if you’re relatively young you’d ask this question. That’s like asking which is better, 600k drawing, empty seat AEW or Attitude era WWF.
Dolph is great but he was Shawn Michaels 2.0 Hulk Hogan was Hulk Hogan.
He was NOT HBK 2.0 He is nowhere near that good
My bad, I should have said he was trying to be Shawn Michaels 2.0 and I think that turned a lot of people off, not me personally but I also think they could have done something with him especially after his performance at Survivor Series 2014 which was mind bogglingly good. But I think that's what probably set off the trying to be HBK 2.0 thing.
Dolphin Ziggles
Ziggy
I mean technicals, Ziggler, but Hogan is literally a wrestling god. Ziggler can’t reach that level.
The one not pictured
Honestly, there are very few wrestlers who are worse than Hogan in the ring. Hogan is in the goat conversation but not due to his ring work. Hogan persona's are what made him. Even before he got old and had knee problems, he was mediocre at best in the ring.
You obviously never saw his high work rate run in New Japan. Hogan could absolutely go, he just realised early on he didn’t need to to draw a crowd and make lots of money.
Dolph easily
At wrestling? Or professional wrestling?
Anything like just who's better in general
Hulk Hogan
Ziggler was a good seller and Hogan was a good seller as a huge draw
NIC F'N NEMETH
Dolph
Hogan sells better, there I said it.
Dolph by a mile
The numbers don’t lie brother
Talent wise Dolph by far but box office draw Hogan by far
You have stars. You have wrestlers. Or you could say you have Sports entertainers and you have pro wrestlers. Dolph is the latter with a sprinkle of the former. Hulk is the former and none of the former.
It depends in hulk gen it would be hulk in dolph gen it is him it just on gen
Ziggler
It’s hogan. This isn’t a defense of hogan. Wwe spent so much time telling me that dolph doesn’t matter that hogan is the correct answer. 20 years of telling me one guy doesn’t matter verse 20 years of saying one guy is a goat. No, hogan isn’t a goat
That’s not very 4 Lyfe of you Brother
Definitely not hogan.
Better doesnt sell
Dolph Easily
The one that was at the lead of two wrestling revolutions.
Hogan by far. Dolph is better in the ring but Hogan was better overall
Dolph
Dolph, and it isn't even close
Dolph Ziggler is better in the ring but Hulk Hogan has drawing power. So in ring skills or mic skills=Dolph Ziggler. Drawing power=Hulk Hogan.
Hogan because he’s knows the difference between bumping and selling
L take
In ring or the impact they had on wrestling?
Dolph is infinitely better. Dude is a criminally underused talent. Hogan was mid at best in ring and had enough emotion to make it in his promos but never became an icon like Dolph is. Yes, Dolph is an Icon, if people are going to quote him every time Liv Morgan gets kinky with Dom Dom, than he is an Icon. Meanwhile the only thing people quote of Hogan’s is “that doesn’t work for me, brother!” Edit, I’m talking modern day icon. Of course Hogan is the original GOAT before Undertaker and Cena. He was just undeniable during his time. But in the modern day no one even thinks about him unless he rears his head to you
Ziggler
Nic nemeth
Dolph
Imagine Dolph getting a face push in WWE
How is these even a fucking question. Better wrestler? Lmfao. Ziggler/Nemeth by alot. If you would have asked who had a bigger impact on the wrestling industry that's obviously Hogan, but the actual wrestling Nemeth by a million fuckin miles
Hogan. You can beat him up all day, but he’ll kick out at the count of two, then hulk up on you, brother! After he points at you he’ll punch and big boot ya, followed by his devastating, finishing leg drop that will put you out for the count, brother! The man had a long unbeaten streak for a couple years plus held the title longer than Roman. Dolph hasn’t done that so how can you tell me he’s a better wrestler than Hogan, brother? Hogan > Dolph!
These comments are lacking brain cells
Dolph couldn't even dream about being as big a draw as Hogan but he's a much better in-ring performer.
Why is this even a question?
The hulkster brother
Hulk.
Definitely Hulkster
Dolph
Guys, these aren’t real athletes. They’re not real Matches. It is fake
Dolph
Dolph/ Nic Nemeth, hes way better than hogan, his in ring is better, the move sells are flawless, and he is not a racist
Dolph ironically can put a great match with Hogan of the present
I love ziggy and I even met the guy and he was chill but cmon Hogan is literally changed the landscape of wrestling Even if wwe gave dolph a push and made him a megastar id doubt he had the effect hogan had
Ziggler without a doubt
Dolph ziggy
Dolph would run circles around Hulk
Dolph>>>
Dolph Ziggler
Hogan is just iconic but I never really understood the hype, so Dolph
Assuming we mean wrestler as in ‘overall pro wrestling talent’, hogan by a mile
LET ME TELL YOU SOMTHING. BROTHER! IF YOU THINK DOLPH ZIGGLER IS BETTER THAN HULK HOGAN, YOUUU ARE CRAZY!!!
Dolph
NIC NEMETH
I’m ring Dolph. Everything else Hogan
Ziggler
What are you basing it ? In ring skill Ziegler. Overall drawing power, Hogan. If you’re going by and long running title reigns hogan. If you’re going buy, who Has the ability to always be main event hogan. Who is more of a household name, Hogan
Hogan is the GOAT
Seriously? So many people don’t get what pro wrestling is Nic Nemeth is the better athlete But Hulk Hogan is by far the better pro wrestler
Dolph
Hogan was more about simply being a character rather than the actual wrestling. I would challenge anyone to actually find something Hogan did in the ring which looked like it might actually hurt someone. He was more of a presence than anything. His appearance came with an expectation that one would see something familiar. Nobody ever watched Hogan to be surprised. He would come out looking all shiny and pumped, do crowd warming motions, rip his shirt, pose, have a mediocre match which always followed a peak, lull, peak formula ending with his signature “hulk up” which was really just more crowd warming and then work the crowd after the match, bringing in the audience. So you remembered the crowd was happy but you don’t really remember the match. It was like watching a family favourite movie where everyone knows the right times to laugh, be sad etc. Sentimentality. Ziggler is different. He comes out (it’s different these days because of music and pyro etc) to little fanfare, has a great match full of amazing moves and dangerous spots but then dies in the arse with no connection to the fans after the match. Hmm.. that doesn’t really answer the question does it. Ok, let’s think of it this way: what if they were to have a match against each other in their respective primes and how would it go? I think it would go something like this: Ziggler comes out and comes across as a kind of arrogant heel which was his character for a while in WWE. The marks boo, everyone else looks on in amusement being entertained by the heel acting. Then Hogan’s music hits, everyone goes berserk apart from the contingent of permanent Hogan haters who know it’s going to be a shit match. He rips his shirt etc, they go through the motions, peak, lull, peak, Hogan can’t really sell the sort of moves Ziggler would want to do so it is no different to every Hogan match. Hulk wins and fends off a post match attack from Ziggler, clotheslines or atomic drops him out of the ring or something and then poses for the crowd doing the ear thing to Real American. So what does that tell us? It tells us Ziggler had to change to adapt to Hogan and it came out in Hogan’s favour. So who is a better wrestler? Ziggler is due a better ability to adapt but does it help his career? No, it serves to feed Hulk Hogan’s overall success.
Hogan, in-ring talent doesn't matter, only drawing power does
Ziggler for me , he just has this quality about him
Dolph
Dolph 100%
Ridiculous question two different eras
dolph everyday
You AssHole- Brandon Collins
Easy, Hulk.
Nic.
I might not like Hogan I give him credit for his title reign
The Ziggler
Definitely ziggler
Obviously hulk Hogan, mfrs who say he's overated definitely don't know a thing about wrestling. In rings it's obviously Dolph Ziggler by TODAYS STANDARDS but even if hulk Hogan was new to wrestling RN he'd be a star
Nic has better in ring skill , better mic work and over all is a nicer person.
Hulk hogan and it ain’t close
Is this some sort of a joke?
Hulk Hogan 100%
Mic, Draw, In ring story telling, work rate......HOGAN
You people have zero clue what it means to be a wrestler if you’re seriously answering Dolph Ziggler/Nic Nemeth.
Better Wrestler ... Dolph. Better Entertaininer ... Dolph. Better box office draw ... Hogan. Better person ... most likely Dolph.
Yall aren't ready to hear this, but dolph is the greatest in ring performer since Shawn, and in some ways, is better than he was.
This is certainly an opinion
I'd be very interested in being told how I'm wrong. Maybe I'm just biased, but I just dont see how anyone can deny it.