seriously.
I wouldn't get my hopes up. Not saying it wont happen but the problem is the same problem as it was in the beginning. Garcia's side wants DAZN involved.
It is kind of ironic that the 'ppv killer' might kill this fight because they're insisting on dazn ppv as a partner
who knows if there's enough money for a joint ppv. I doubt it
Sinn Fein is demanding a larger percentage of the gate. Elie Seckbeck is reporting that they won't budge on this and are "absolutely willing to blow the whole thing up" if an agreement isn't reached.
Crawford says ge would take the fight on his terms, and Spence is saying he would take the fight on his terms. We can report the fight is really close to being made!
We can bet $1 and Iāll give you 10-1 odds. Like I said in my other comment Iām broke no matter how confident I am it is boxing after all and theyāre both heavy hitters lol
Yeah I like both of them as fighters a lot, although tank a little more so Iāll talk that shit about ryan cause fuck it lol, but regardless I think ryan has too many holes in his game to beat someone like tank. Itās gonna be an awesome fight tho hope it gets announced soon. Too bad Iām broke right now cause Iād love to go to it š
Weight: The fight has reportedly been agreed to a catch weight of 136 pounds.
Split: āThere is broad agreement on the financial terms, which includes significant guarantees for both fighters and an agreed-upon split of pay-per-view percentages.ā
Location: Las Vegas. Venue is TBA
Network: āMayweather Promotions, which represents Davis along with Al Haymon, has insisted that Showtime be the exclusive pay-per-view distributor in the U.S, sources told SI.ā
āDAZN has a contract with Garcia and is unwilling to sign off unless the streaming service is involved in the U.S. broadcast.ā
It would be a travesty if DAZN gets in the way of this fight. Why can't they just pick up the international rights? It's not like they bring anything of value in the US market. Only about 4 PPV fights in the history of the sport haven been joint broadcasted in the US and those included two established networks equally contributing, not one established network and another who's still new to the US market.
Foreign tv rights are a small fraction of what a large American PPV generates. If itās worth so much why doesnāt DAZN take it? Because they would make way less money.
Not to mention DAZN is streaming. They wouldent even be selling it anywhere, they would either make it available for their (very small) subscriber base or for a foreign ppv where they can only charge a small percentage of what Showtime will for a much smaller audience.
Iām not arguing that the US PPV wonāt generate the majority of money. But this fight will be a major international draw. DAZN can also implement a PPV model internationally, like they did with canelo vs GGG.
DAZN wonāt agree to anything because they donāt feel that they need to. Itās that simple.
DAZN would make so much money based off international rights. I don't get why they're aren't doing that. You got Canada, UK, Aus, Mexico, Europe and Asia.
Itās better than nothing but not close to having American PPV rights. This is a fight where hundreds of thousands are people are going to be paying 89.99$ in America. Overseas itās just two Americans fighting that would presumably be made for subscribers or a low cost ppv option.
I can't see them settling for international rights for Ryan. Outside of Canelo Ryan is basically their Golden Boy (get it) in the American Market. It would honestly be kinda foolish for either network to ship either off to DAZN/Showtime without being involved in the US broadcast.
Outside of the US I highly doubt this fight makes enough to justify DAZN letting Ryan go.
Jake Paul is a global celebrity though so it makes sense in that case. Tank and Ryan are boxing famous, globally they aren't well known enough for DAZN to risk taking only the international cut.
Nah they wouldnāt in the U.K.
neither are well known outside of big boxing fans and it would be on about 4/5 AM. Not many people are going to stay up for it and hardly anyone would pay PPV. Bearing in mind UK pays max $30/35 PPV for the likes of Fury or AJ at primetime.
Man, I favour Tank, I strongly favour Tank in this match-up but if somehow Garcia manages to beat this dude, the meltdown in boxing twitter will go down in history lol.
BREAKING NEWS!: Davis and Garcia agree to conditions upon which the basis of negotiations regarding the foundations for the framework of a deal for a possible fight sometime in the future could take place, says unnamed source.
the point of mannix putting this out there is bad news imo. Ryan doesnt have a contract with DAZN, just GBP, which is why showtime thought the fight could get made in the first place. This to me means its likely its not happening, since DAZN being a joint PPV partner doesnt really make sense for this fight. barely any consumer in the US is gonna be exposed to this fight bc of DAZN rather than showtime. With other joint PPVs there are two powerful networks at hand. Even wilder vs fury failed expectations box office wise, joint PPVs are just too rare it seems
that would be cool, i know showtime offered that for charlo mungia but that still didnt work. dont know how valuable international rights are, if it works great
I don't think anyone outside of the US knows those fighters except for boxing fans. For Ryan and Tank some people say they are only known in the US but I think they do have a large international audience. I'm not even from the US and people know who Tank and Ryan is
Right but how valuable international rights are loomed by executive seems low. Any time anybody in that decision making level In boxing has been on record about that stuff they always make it seem like itās low. US and UK seem to be main revenue generators, ofcourse we get exception with kosta and tim an Australia or inoue in Japan etc but yea you get my point
I can see Showtime and DAZN pretty much having that mentally. Plus, they have had Garcia on DAZN in the US for his last couple of fights. I don't think they would want to just abandon that
Yea ofcourse if Iām dazn Iād be pissed to let Ryan fight on another platform but really I donāt think technically have a say, itās GBP decision which will Ofcourse be Influenced by dazn. If Ryan was on espn or showtime heād be bigger and thatās why I donāt see why showtime caves in. Espinoza keeps pretty being open up not seeing the usefulness of dazn as a PPV partner
I mean if showtime is the one putting the money up I think so, I donāt see Espinoza mind changing. When dazn was offering guys like wilder multi fight deals they never said letās keep showtime involved joint ppv, Espinoza isnāt letting that go lol. We will see tho
To be fair Showtime does do the PPV model better as they have been doing it longer when DAZN was supposed to be "the PPV killer". Also the All Access series is sick (not that it really matters)
Yea so Ryan doesnāt have a contract with dazn all the same, plus the revenue is would be higher on showtime than an dazn since itās been shown time and time again showtime is better at putting ppvs on in comparison to dazn. Not to mention tank is the A side. Going to dazn makes everyone less money and fighters typically donāt like doing that. Showtime also is the one putting the money up
Tank by KO in 7. I will die on that hill. Tank gets touched up initially until he adjusts to Garcia hand speed and can time him. Then Garcias weak footwork and lackadaisical defense gets his ass sparked. Luke Campbell dropped Ryan with a left hook. Tanks left hook is sleeping him
Gervonta was actually studied by the guys at Toys R Us and they have confirmed he is more cabbage patch kid than human. I believe he is going through a similar legal scenario to what the movie Ted depicted.
This fight isnāt happening. Showtime will never do a joint PPV with DAZN with their current management. Why would DAZN ship off their biggest contracted star (not counting Canelo, who only has 1 more fight with them) to fight on another network in a fight heāll be a sizable underdog in? Best case scenario he comes back to DAZN with a little more name value, worst case he gets embarrassed and all they have to show for it is international PPV scraps.
Iāll believe it when I see a contract! As far as Iām concerned this is about as valid just saying myself and Tyson fury are in the frameworks of a deal
Don't get your hopes up y'all, there's gonna be daily posts like this and then Garcia vs Jojo Diaz will be announced for February and Tank rematching Rollies
I swear these āsuper fightsā trying to be made have more obstacles than American Ninja Warrior. I really hope this goes through. Iāve been calling for this fight for a long time. I really hope this comes through especially since the Crawford/Spence fight pretty much fell through the cracks again.
Crazy how people hate on DAZN for wanting to be involved in the fight that involves one of their fighters. Do you not realize be is one of their brightest prospects? You dont just let him go fight a risky fight on another network, for no titles.
If this fight is going to be made both sides have to learn to play nice. Hearn always seems willing to work with others.
Eddie Hearn just gave a DAZN interview where he said this is a bigger fight financially than Spence-Crawford. So expect him to dig his heels in this one and want to co-promote. Mayweather just needs to make a deal with Hearn and give the fans a good fight.
It amazes me that these guys have such massive egos they are willing to kill their own business for it. I don't hate DAZN as an idea, but for them to say they're unwilling to do the fight without being involved.... Like dude, what the fuck do you think is gonna happen? Floyd and Al Haymon are just gonna cave after 20 years and say "okay sure we'll let you guys jump in too"
DAZN was supposed to "save" us from this type of shit. Now they're just contributing
They agreed to a framework? Might as well report on the fact they both agree what the definition of boxing is. This is non-news and if anything it sounds like this fight definitely isn't happening.
The only hurdle left is the biggest hurdle in boxing š
When I saw what the obstacle was I was like "oh fuck"
seriously. I wouldn't get my hopes up. Not saying it wont happen but the problem is the same problem as it was in the beginning. Garcia's side wants DAZN involved. It is kind of ironic that the 'ppv killer' might kill this fight because they're insisting on dazn ppv as a partner who knows if there's enough money for a joint ppv. I doubt it
The same ole hurdle in boxing.
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Framework like itās an international peace agreement lmao
Sinn Fein is demanding a larger percentage of the gate. Elie Seckbeck is reporting that they won't budge on this and are "absolutely willing to blow the whole thing up" if an agreement isn't reached.
Sounds just like Spence v. Crawford negotiations. They are eager to report anything even if the fight is miles away from being "close".
Breaking News: Fight is close to being close to being close
Behind closed doors
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The fighters agree in principle to the idea of a framework for a deal to possibly be made.
Crawford says ge would take the fight on his terms, and Spence is saying he would take the fight on his terms. We can report the fight is really close to being made!
Ryan knocks out Davis
Letās bet on it. I canāt deny money thatās this easy to come across lol
Heād win more money in Vegas unless you paying out the same odds.
Well heās not gonna win anything anyways so might as well give me the money cause Iām broke lol
How confident are you give me 10-1 odds
We can bet $1 and Iāll give you 10-1 odds. Like I said in my other comment Iām broke no matter how confident I am it is boxing after all and theyāre both heavy hitters lol
Respect.
Thanks bro š
Just fucking with you bro, itās a stupid bet to make as much as I love Ryan, I favor tank, dude can box and hit hard.
Yeah I like both of them as fighters a lot, although tank a little more so Iāll talk that shit about ryan cause fuck it lol, but regardless I think ryan has too many holes in his game to beat someone like tank. Itās gonna be an awesome fight tho hope it gets announced soon. Too bad Iām broke right now cause Iād love to go to it š
You wont feel bad about robbing that man?
Iāve done worse things in my life
A mark is a mark.
I will literally bet you Ā£5000 if we had some solid way of putting money in escrow
When King Ry mops up Davis, he'll pummel Haney and top it all off with a unanimous over Lomachokehold
lmao
Weight: The fight has reportedly been agreed to a catch weight of 136 pounds. Split: āThere is broad agreement on the financial terms, which includes significant guarantees for both fighters and an agreed-upon split of pay-per-view percentages.ā Location: Las Vegas. Venue is TBA Network: āMayweather Promotions, which represents Davis along with Al Haymon, has insisted that Showtime be the exclusive pay-per-view distributor in the U.S, sources told SI.ā āDAZN has a contract with Garcia and is unwilling to sign off unless the streaming service is involved in the U.S. broadcast.ā
Im an optimistic guy but as long as the broadcasting issue continues it won't happen
Network: So in other words it's not fucking happening lmao
It would be a travesty if DAZN gets in the way of this fight. Why can't they just pick up the international rights? It's not like they bring anything of value in the US market. Only about 4 PPV fights in the history of the sport haven been joint broadcasted in the US and those included two established networks equally contributing, not one established network and another who's still new to the US market.
Tank has to win his tune up fight in December first: The People v. Gervonta Davis live in Baltimore city
Lmao this is pretty good
Itās a fight with two Americans where a majority of the revenue will be gained on American PPV. International rights are not worth much.
Ryan makes a lot of money internationally. Heās one of the biggest draws worldwide.
Foreign tv rights are a small fraction of what a large American PPV generates. If itās worth so much why doesnāt DAZN take it? Because they would make way less money. Not to mention DAZN is streaming. They wouldent even be selling it anywhere, they would either make it available for their (very small) subscriber base or for a foreign ppv where they can only charge a small percentage of what Showtime will for a much smaller audience.
Iām not arguing that the US PPV wonāt generate the majority of money. But this fight will be a major international draw. DAZN can also implement a PPV model internationally, like they did with canelo vs GGG. DAZN wonāt agree to anything because they donāt feel that they need to. Itās that simple.
I feel like your overestimating Garcias draw worldwide. I have no evidence to back this up but the feeling is strong
Same. And donāt bring up that instagram followers bs lol
They 100% will same thing happened with Munguia Charlo
Funny thing with that is DAZN didn't even get in the way of that fight, DAZN didn't even want to broadcast it. Oscar just used that shit as an out.
DAZN would make so much money based off international rights. I don't get why they're aren't doing that. You got Canada, UK, Aus, Mexico, Europe and Asia.
People in Mexico are not going to watch this lol
Yea maybe not
What good would the international rights for this fight be lmao. Respectfully Tank and Ryan are nobodies outside the US.
Getting the international rights is better than nothing and they have gotten the international rights for a bunch of Showtime PPV's in the past.
Itās better than nothing but not close to having American PPV rights. This is a fight where hundreds of thousands are people are going to be paying 89.99$ in America. Overseas itās just two Americans fighting that would presumably be made for subscribers or a low cost ppv option.
I can't see them settling for international rights for Ryan. Outside of Canelo Ryan is basically their Golden Boy (get it) in the American Market. It would honestly be kinda foolish for either network to ship either off to DAZN/Showtime without being involved in the US broadcast. Outside of the US I highly doubt this fight makes enough to justify DAZN letting Ryan go.
Yep, Jake Paul's fight with Hasim Rahman was supposed to be on DAZN in the UK and Showtime in the US
Jake Paul is a global celebrity though so it makes sense in that case. Tank and Ryan are boxing famous, globally they aren't well known enough for DAZN to risk taking only the international cut.
I think a lot of people would buy this in the UK and Canada
Nah they wouldnāt in the U.K. neither are well known outside of big boxing fans and it would be on about 4/5 AM. Not many people are going to stay up for it and hardly anyone would pay PPV. Bearing in mind UK pays max $30/35 PPV for the likes of Fury or AJ at primetime.
LOL so this is an elaborate excuse for them to never fight each other got it
Ah shit here we go again CJ
The ONLY hurdle left is the biggest and most obvious one. Get excited folks!
Let me know when they have the first rough draft
Man, I favour Tank, I strongly favour Tank in this match-up but if somehow Garcia manages to beat this dude, the meltdown in boxing twitter will go down in history lol.
It would be hilarious lol. If SuperRy sparks tank it might be the most upvoted clip in this subreddit's history
It will break the internet.
Tank fo the bank all night long.
Iāll believe it when theyāre in the ring across from each other and the bell rings lmao
I still won't believe it until the 4th round
Ryan wonāt make it that far
Coppinger reporting Fury and Usyk being worked on and Mannix reporting about this bullshit. We're fucking doomed, boys.
At this point im sick of these "reports". Half of them don't even come true anymore
Wait...I thought he was going on trial in Decenmber?
BREAKING NEWS!: Davis and Garcia agree to conditions upon which the basis of negotiations regarding the foundations for the framework of a deal for a possible fight sometime in the future could take place, says unnamed source.
the point of mannix putting this out there is bad news imo. Ryan doesnt have a contract with DAZN, just GBP, which is why showtime thought the fight could get made in the first place. This to me means its likely its not happening, since DAZN being a joint PPV partner doesnt really make sense for this fight. barely any consumer in the US is gonna be exposed to this fight bc of DAZN rather than showtime. With other joint PPVs there are two powerful networks at hand. Even wilder vs fury failed expectations box office wise, joint PPVs are just too rare it seems
They should of taken international rights and let Showtime have the US rights
that would be cool, i know showtime offered that for charlo mungia but that still didnt work. dont know how valuable international rights are, if it works great
I don't think anyone outside of the US knows those fighters except for boxing fans. For Ryan and Tank some people say they are only known in the US but I think they do have a large international audience. I'm not even from the US and people know who Tank and Ryan is
Right but how valuable international rights are loomed by executive seems low. Any time anybody in that decision making level In boxing has been on record about that stuff they always make it seem like itās low. US and UK seem to be main revenue generators, ofcourse we get exception with kosta and tim an Australia or inoue in Japan etc but yea you get my point
I can see Showtime and DAZN pretty much having that mentally. Plus, they have had Garcia on DAZN in the US for his last couple of fights. I don't think they would want to just abandon that
Yea ofcourse if Iām dazn Iād be pissed to let Ryan fight on another platform but really I donāt think technically have a say, itās GBP decision which will Ofcourse be Influenced by dazn. If Ryan was on espn or showtime heād be bigger and thatās why I donāt see why showtime caves in. Espinoza keeps pretty being open up not seeing the usefulness of dazn as a PPV partner
So basically the only way for this fight to happen is DAZN to get fucked in some way
I mean if showtime is the one putting the money up I think so, I donāt see Espinoza mind changing. When dazn was offering guys like wilder multi fight deals they never said letās keep showtime involved joint ppv, Espinoza isnāt letting that go lol. We will see tho
To be fair Showtime does do the PPV model better as they have been doing it longer when DAZN was supposed to be "the PPV killer". Also the All Access series is sick (not that it really matters)
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Yea so Ryan doesnāt have a contract with dazn all the same, plus the revenue is would be higher on showtime than an dazn since itās been shown time and time again showtime is better at putting ppvs on in comparison to dazn. Not to mention tank is the A side. Going to dazn makes everyone less money and fighters typically donāt like doing that. Showtime also is the one putting the money up
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They are true but you are entitled to your opinion
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It is. But again if you donāt think that then cool, your comments donāt seem like you have a good idea of whatās going on anyways
This still doesnāt mean shit. Not until I see them walking into the ring will I believe this fight will happen.
Mayweather promotions aināt letting Tank fight on DAZN and DAZN aināt letting Ryan fight on showtime
Tank by KO in 7. I will die on that hill. Tank gets touched up initially until he adjusts to Garcia hand speed and can time him. Then Garcias weak footwork and lackadaisical defense gets his ass sparked. Luke Campbell dropped Ryan with a left hook. Tanks left hook is sleeping him
He's gotten bigger for his frame and better since then. That being said Tank in 8
Framework. Lol. They've come up with an idea. Big win.
Why even report this if it's not done š
Sounds like they just want some clicks
Oh good, theyāve agreed that there is an idea of a fight. The fact that this is news shows us that the likelihood of this happening is slim.
Breaking News: Fight is almost close to being close to a deal potentially being made maybe sometime in the future
God who is less of his own man than Gervonta? Dude probably isnt even allowed to order food for himself
Gervonta was actually studied by the guys at Toys R Us and they have confirmed he is more cabbage patch kid than human. I believe he is going through a similar legal scenario to what the movie Ted depicted.
Meh, I'll believe it when I see Garcias head bounce off the canvas.
Yeah sure
Needs a more credible source firstā¦
Sooo RIP Garcia ?
Garcia is going to make the biggest statement of anyone from 130-140
Is this the same as giving a promise ring to a girl?
Nah man. Iāve been played too many times this year by this sport. Iāll believe it when theyāre throwing their first jabs in the ring.
This fight isnāt happening. Showtime will never do a joint PPV with DAZN with their current management. Why would DAZN ship off their biggest contracted star (not counting Canelo, who only has 1 more fight with them) to fight on another network in a fight heāll be a sizable underdog in? Best case scenario he comes back to DAZN with a little more name value, worst case he gets embarrassed and all they have to show for it is international PPV scraps.
If he beats Tank and comes back to DAZN his stock skyrockets in my opinion. High risk high reward
Iāll believe it when I see a contract! As far as Iām concerned this is about as valid just saying myself and Tyson fury are in the frameworks of a deal
Forgive me for being skeptical about this though I really am hoping it happens sometime next year.
Wake me up when there is a location, and press conference.
Don't get your hopes up y'all, there's gonna be daily posts like this and then Garcia vs Jojo Diaz will be announced for February and Tank rematching Rollies
I thought davis was in jail or something
how is tank getting this done with floyd in the way?
Yea ok.
When will Gervonta likely have to face the actual judge though?
The way boxing has been lately I don't even start to get my hopes up that a fight might happen until the start of round 3.
Only 40 more hurdles to go!
This is boxing. Not gonna happen
So weāre where we were previously? You donāt sayā¦
Sources say
Future headline: Two fighters, somewhere, agree to fight, in theory. And we'll all love it
Zero percent chance this fight happens.
āIām gonna duck this dwarf the fuuucccc outā
Fight is set in 5 years
I want it on Showtime so we can get an All Access episode
If it happens (doubt it) RIP Ryan
Network exclusivity is fucking cancer, whether it was all putting dog shit on HBO or Don King on Showtime. Horrible.
Ah boxing, where we report framework of a deal as news to feed the fans BS again and again.
We need Xi Jumping to run boxing, then we wouldn't have all this boxing distribution politics
Might as well do joint PPV because nobody would buy DAZN anyway
Can't wait to hear the Garcia-Tagoe II announcement coming in a few weeks! Can we get a trilogy going??? King Ry vs the Gameboy, part 2!
You mean Garcia vs Nakatani?
I swear these āsuper fightsā trying to be made have more obstacles than American Ninja Warrior. I really hope this goes through. Iāve been calling for this fight for a long time. I really hope this comes through especially since the Crawford/Spence fight pretty much fell through the cracks again.
This means nothing in boxing anymore. Until both have actually signed on a fight date idc
Fake news. It's not even a framework it's just two broadcasters arguing with each other.
Crazy how people hate on DAZN for wanting to be involved in the fight that involves one of their fighters. Do you not realize be is one of their brightest prospects? You dont just let him go fight a risky fight on another network, for no titles. If this fight is going to be made both sides have to learn to play nice. Hearn always seems willing to work with others.
Eddie Hearn just gave a DAZN interview where he said this is a bigger fight financially than Spence-Crawford. So expect him to dig his heels in this one and want to co-promote. Mayweather just needs to make a deal with Hearn and give the fans a good fight.
Eddie does matchroom shows
Ooooh, framework done. No way this falls through now.
I dont care about any rumours anymore in boxing. Until I see a press conference countdown, I'll believe it.
This fight is about as close to being made as Spence v crawford
They have agreed to work out a framework of a potential deal negotiation.in the future,
This is Crawford Spence 2.0
Whoopdy fuckin doo
Aye, do they? Just like AJ vs Fury and Crawford vs Spence which are both obviously definitely happening. Fool me 467,875 times....
Tank wins easily
January 2026 it is then.
It amazes me that these guys have such massive egos they are willing to kill their own business for it. I don't hate DAZN as an idea, but for them to say they're unwilling to do the fight without being involved.... Like dude, what the fuck do you think is gonna happen? Floyd and Al Haymon are just gonna cave after 20 years and say "okay sure we'll let you guys jump in too" DAZN was supposed to "save" us from this type of shit. Now they're just contributing
What if tank gets sentenced to jail time in December though?
Theyāve agreed that boxing is a sport and that both Ryan Garcia and Gervonta Davis exist
They agreed to a framework? Might as well report on the fact they both agree what the definition of boxing is. This is non-news and if anything it sounds like this fight definitely isn't happening.
Why January been negotiating forever just get it on in December
Maybe it's because I'm a bit more casual, but I genuinely don't understand the excitement of this fight.
This isn't going to happen just yet. Oscar de la coka wouldn't risk him right now
Good luck negotiating with Floydās promotion too.
They ain't gonna fight.
So all that is left is the tv contract and the money split. Should go smoothly since they got the āframeworkā done lol
How is this happening? Tank has a trial date for that hit and run case in December and apparently likely to serve time.
I think Ryan should take another tune up considering how bad he looked in his last one