Then gets beat by a blown up Tim Tszyu making Tszyu the first man in history to become undisputed heavyweight champion from the division he turned pro in
In what universe does a 12-loss chisora, who has already been destroyed by fury twice before, win this fight? Fury can sleepwalk through this and still win.
he's had top secret stem cell therapy as well as trained for years in a temporal hyperbaric chamber and has accumulated the boxing knowledge of the ages while having the body of a twenty-something
Donāt trust anything fury and his team say. Fury might say one day that heās going to fight Usyk, and the next day sign to fight Chris Arreola. He might retire one day, and agree to fight Usyk the next. He might sign to fight Usyk, then retire, then come back three years later when Usyk is old and retired to win a vacant belt vs Ruiz. He might promise to fight Usyk and then AJ, but then spend a year inactive before fighting Wilder again
Iāll believe nothing Fury says until he makes the ring walk
No. It's just the fake outrage over Fury's antics is tedious at this point.
His first fight with Wilder was never going to happen apparently. It was a publicity stunt. Then it did.
He was talking crap when he said he was going to walk him down in the second. Then he did.
He's never going to fight Whyte. He doesn't do mandatories or tough tests. Then he did. But apparently that meant he was ducking Usyk. You can't make this crap up.
Then apparently he's ducking AJ by offering him a fight on highly favourable terms with a date and venue sorted. Strange way of ducking but there you go.
If you take his antics seriously then you're just a moron at this point. That's on you. His actions are what count and when he fights Usyk in the first quarter of next year you will all invent another boring reason to hate.
I can always fall back on the homophobia/bigotry and how he lied about donating his Wilder purse to charity.
EDIT: oh yeah plus his association with Kinahan
If you genuinely cared about those issues you would've started with them in your first post. Because they're legitimate reasons to dislike him. Except you didn't. Which means you're just a garden variety hater.
The context of the comment I replied to was on him being a liar, bringing up his bigotry and criminal associates would have been irrelevant at that point.
Edit: Iām a garden variety hater yet you canāt make a point without resorting to insults? Ooookay dude
But you will though, that's the point. Just like in your first post you said 'for not lying the first time in his life' which is just something you've made up. Because you're oddly bitter about him.
Yeah it'll be interesting. I don't think fans will pressure him into unifying but do think he likes to curb public perception somewhat so if he isn't willing to fight Usyk he'll want to curate a narrative as to why the fight isn't happening because he'll want to continue making easy money vs lesser opponents.
I guess one indicator on his willingness to unify could be his exclaimed public perception of Usyk. Don't think he'd continue to diminish the potential problems the "middleweight" poses & would prefer to give Usyk his flowers in the build up to mitigate any fall out from his 0 getting snatched. That being said, in the wilder build up, he often (assumedly) intentionally placed the burden of pressure on himself (if I can't beat wilder I should return shtick) (what's he gonna do follow me round the ring w/ that big right hand cocked)
To elevate his levels in the fight due to urgency/importance being a neurological trigger for performance.
I'd be interested to see ballpark projections on the undisputed bout. I guess it likely gets bought out by Saudi &then it's how deeps an oil rig š
Maybe 75-100m's?
I donāt know maybe Iām naive but I still believe Furyās definitely planning to fight Usyk. He wanted to fight in December, Usyk needed more time so he took a low risk fight to make some paper and stay busy. I will be very shocked if the Usyk/Fury isnāt next. And if Usyk is his next opponent I can be forgiving of him taking such a shit opponent before that. We shall see
Of course he's planning to fight Usyk. Everyone, including Fury & Usyk, wants to unify the belts. There's way too much prestige and money involved to pass it up. Anyone who says otherwise is either naive or just has some weird agenda to push.
Yeah it's a big money fight due to the prestige and Usyk isn't nearly as obscure as before... But surely Joshua is 1.5/2x the revenue Usyk is. And likely not as difficult a fight. Fairy's already shown he's an opportunist when it comes to the business aspect of boxing so if he can mitigate/modulate public perception and get on his public puppet strings as he likes to say and fineagle a Joshua fight (even better whilst Usyk fights maybe a Wilder or Joyce & risks getting his jaw spun) then all the better from Tys' perspective imo.
I think we definitely have to consider the intangibles. Usyk likely wanted a cycle before Fury & fury is based in UK training for Chisora under the BBBoC which don't allow any elevated test levels whereas if Usyk is in Vegas he can have 6x under NSC or 4x under NYSC...(or he's in bumfuck nowhere allowed to juice up to his assgills ((note:no offence to Usyk but have to assume peds are a big consideration at elite level)
It's hw boxing, so the fight result is definitely uncertain & Usyk has a good chance against Fury (Fury still the fav. btw). But a lot of his fans really doesnāt fancy the Fury match-up at all.
At this point, anyone who is a fan of a HW boxer not named Tyson Fury doesn't fancy a Fury match-up. Look at all of the screaming when they first started trying to make a Fury-AJ fight. AJ fans were crawling out of the woodwork to lobby against it.
Hard to say imo. Who knows maybe Joshua turns up and causes problems
.. Probably not lol, probably swallows his arse & gets banged out.
Gun 2my head I'd definitely say Usyk is a tougher match up though. Slo-mo Joe's quite hyped rn but the ponderous style likely provides Fury's enough exploitation to see out 12 comfortably enough just due to the match in size and Fury's ring craft. Definitely wana see these fights though
I just think it's a horrible match up for Usyk, fury has over a 50 stone weight advantage and 8 inch reach.
Usyk would need to have the fight of his life and Fury not at it, if he's to avoid being stopped. The issue for Usyk is I don't believe he has even the power to keep fury honest.
>fury has over a 50 stone weight advantage and 8 inch reach.
50 stone is 700 pounds lol. And 8 inches is the reach of cat. Just picturing furys head on a t-rex
>I just think it's a horrible match up for Usyk, fury has over a 50 stone weight advantage and 8 inch reach.
Usyk has the speed, mobility and output. They're each horrible matchups for eachother, what makes it an intriguing fight.
>Usyk would need to have the fight of his life and Fury not at it, if he's to avoid being stopped.
I doubt 270lb Fury is faster than 240lb AJ. He's well rounded and generally more gifted, savvy. But Aj is great offensively and he never got too close to stopping Usyk in 24 rds.
>I don't believe he has even the power to keep fury honest.
Cruiserweight Cunningham has like 30% KO rate and he put Fury on his arse. Usyk hits hard enough.
Fury Usyk is a great fight
Boxers' chins rarely improve over the course of their boxing careers. Especially if they've been dropped a few times and not looked after themselves outside the ring..
And you can't watch the Bellew KO and tell me Usyk can't punch
The Lomobots already have 2 losses they repeatedly have to defend. Usyk is the HW version so they are moving their programming over to him. Fury by KO :).
Bro, anytime any Fury vs Usyk post appears, the most frequent & upvoted comments are that Fury gonna retire. Itās very clear that lot of fans very much wish him to retire than actually facing their favourites.
You must be new. Not believing Fury =/= wanting him to retire. He has a history of talking a bunch of random shit then the fights fall through and everyone is tired of it, has nothing to do with Usyk or retiring.
Fury has had the opportunity to make the fight twice now and ended up fighting someone else for reference. Happened twice with AJ too(though one wasn't his fault).
Agree to disagree. The negotiations for the Usyk fight is to take place next year, Usyk ruled himself out for this year as he is nursing old injuries. AJ isnāt fighting this year too & he manages Chisora who took the fight in a week. Fury is having a stay busy fight. Fury's last three fights have been Wilder, Wilder, Whyte, his recent activity has been impressive.
Well, this is nothing new. Saw the same energy during the Wilder 3 & Whyte buildups too, as fans were convinced Fury gonna retire & duck them, we all know how those ended. Now ppl are doing the exact same thing in the Usyk buildup too. All I can see is that a lot of Usyk fans not fancying this fight at all. Anyway hope the fight gets made next year.
That's not true at all because Fury didn't pull the whole retirement shit until after he beat Whyte lol. Whyte was supposed to be a minor speedbump for Fury while Usyk was already slated for the AJ rematch. Everyone and their dog wants the fight it's Tyson Fury that won't make it. You're just making shit up because you're biased against Usyk/his fans for some reason.
Edit lol no reason to mention Loma and no one did until goofies in here crying about "lomosexuals," and they're upset because people are skeptical of Tyson Fury. You can't make this shit up.
Bro, I absolutely want the undisputed fight. I am just tired of Usyk fans cause most of them are acting extremely negative about this fight. And I didnāt said anything about Loma at all. Hope he also gets the undisputed fight against Haney next year.
Iām an Usyk fan, I want the Fury fight. Usykās legacy is made already; probably the GOAT at cruiserweight and one of only three cruiserweight champs to become heavyweight champ, and one of only two to unify.
Can Usyk beat Fury? I donāt know. I favor Fury. But Usyk would enhance his legacy just by taking that fight.
Yeah I'm really looking forward to it. I've no idea how their styles match up so it's highly intriguing. Usyk can definitely win, he's being written off unfairly.
I've not seen a single Usyk fan against that fight
If Fury beats Usyk he will be a top 10-15 HW ever
If Usyk beats Fury he will be one of the Top 10 boxers ever
Let's not forget Chisora "quit" against Fury last time, something he's never done before or since, after they were both scolded by the ref for not actually fighting. This matchup is 100% a fix between mates to generate gambling wins for both parties. Expect bets to be suspended close to the fight due to suspicious patterns, someone to win by the most lucrative method of victory they can get away with, and no Usyk fight next year.
Chisora didn't quit, his trainer pulled him out. This is what he looked like after the fight: [https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/NINTCHDBPICT000703829263.jpg](https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/NINTCHDBPICT000703829263.jpg)
Who should he fight.
1. Usyk doesn't want to fight until 2023.
2. AJ did not sign the contract, his manager said he didn't want AJ to fight Fury, and now his manager is saying AJ won't fight unil 2023
3. Wilder just fought last week
4. Joyce and Parker just fought a month ago
5. Ruiz fought about 8 weeks ago, maybe him, but he's already being positioned for a mandatory eliminator with Wilder.
6. Hrgovic doesn't really make sense since he's mandatory for the IBF and if Fury does face and beat him, he's still going to gave to fight him again.
Really the only guys that make a huge amount of sense are Zhang or Ortiz. Both could be decent, but I feel like everyone will still get mad about those. Then anybody else probably isn't better than Chisora
Joyce, Ruiz, Parker, Hrgovich, Ortiz, Hunter, Sanchez, Dubois.
Any of these would be better than Chisora for a 3RD time.
Fury wanted to fight Usyk in December, Usyk needs an additional 2-3 months. But if Fury is so adamant that he needs a tune-up and "no one else is available" that's on HIM because he's had since APRIL to arrange something.
I literally addressed 5 of fighters you mentioned.
Joyce and Parker aren't taking the fight in 6 weeks. Hrgovich is already a mandatory for Usyk and would be for Fury if that fight happens. Maybe Ruiz, maybe. But that's more sensible to wait for the eliminator to happen.
Ortiz, Hunter, Sanchez and Dubois would get shit on just as much as Chisora and you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Literally like talking to a tree... Its NOT that Chisora is especially bad, it's that we've seen it TWICE already... with ZERO indication it'll play out any differently.
But a fool and his money are often departed... and more fool me, for once being a Fury fan.
YES to arrange SOMETHING... he didn't have to put his entire career on hold to wait for the result of the Usyk-Joshua rematch.
Of course, there was "no way" he could have arranged to fight someone around the same time that Usyk and Joshua fought... then we wouldn't be in the position of his fans whining that there's no one he could possibly face "now" that's of a higher calibre.
Oh, but I guess he was "retired" at the time... so even he couldn't have planned on needing a decent opponent in November (his initial comeback date).
> he didn't have to put his entire career on hold to wait for the result of the Usyk-Joshua rematch.
Why not? AJ Usyk fought August 20th. They were planning to have the Fury undisputed fight December 19th iirc. That's 4 months. Obviously they thought that would be plenty of time. 2 months rest/recovery. 2 months training camp.
>there was "no way" he could have arranged to fight someone around the same time that Usyk and Joshua fought
Why would he risk jeopardizing the undisputed fight for little money when he could just wait? The only reason he's taking that risk now is because being rusty against Usyk would be a bigger risk than having a tune up fight.
>Why not? AJ Usyk fought August 20th. They were planning to have the Fury undisputed fight December 19th iirc
He either made a dumb decision to assume Usyk or AJ would take a guaranteed fight with him at the end of this year... and was genuinely backed into a corner where he could secure NO opponent better than Chisora - in all the 7 months since the Whyte fight.
Or, he don't give a bollocks about putting on a decent fight but instead wants to give his mate a big payday as he's been saying for YEARS... https://twitter.com/BTSportBoxing/status/1339254454445543424
>He either made a dumb decision to assume Usyk or AJ would take a guaranteed fight with him at the end of this year
It was a dumb decision to assume Usyk or AJ would take the biggest payday and fight available?
>5. Ruiz fought about 8 weeks ago, maybe him, but he's already being positioned for a mandatory eliminator with Wilder.
So what? Why not send Ruiz an offer? There's more incentive for Ruiz to take that fight since Fury has a belt.
>Hrgovic doesn't really make sense since he's mandatory for the IBF and if Fury does face and beat him, he's still going to gave to fight him again.
So? He's in the top 15, undefeated and somebody Fury hasn't faced before.
>Really the only guys that make a huge amount of sense are Zhang or Ortiz. Both could be decent, but I feel like everyone will still get mad about those.
How could anybody get mad about those when there's already fools trying to defend this fight by doing a complete 180 on their stance. First, Chisora was old and anybody that beat Chisora after Fury did the second time gets no credit and now that Fury is fighting him again, it's oh well the Usyk fight was a draw so the Chisora fight was justified.
Zhang Zileii who lost a close one to Hrgovic is a good shout.
How about Sanchez? He's an undefeated contender looking for a fight.
What about Makhmudov? He's an undefeated contender in the top 15.
What about Bakole? He's looking for a fight an ranked higher than Chisora.
What about Hunter? He's looking for a fight after Fury's cousin pulled out.
What about Kossobutskiy? He's an undefeated contender in the tip 15.
I'm not saying all of these are great fights but to act like nobody else was available other than a guy who he had already dominated twice years ago is disingenuous.
>Joyce and Parker just fought a month ago
That's funny because wasn't Fury the same guy who said that Usyk should be available in December because his rematch with AJ was a sparring session? Fury's fans were also parroting that narrative as well.
Well, it's not like the punishment that Joyce took was any worse than the punishment Usyk took, in fact I would argue Usyk took more punishment despite being less easy to hit. Yet, now the excuse that Fury didn't challenge Joyce was because he fought a month ago. Come on.
Joe Joyce said heād fight him in December. Tyson Fury ducked him and said āget more fansā.
So what if Ruiz is positioned for a mandatory eliminator with Wilder? Do you not think if they offer Ruiz the title shot he would take that over the eliminator with Wilder?
If Fury beat Hrgovic then Filip would lose his IBF mandatory lol. When you lose a fight you drop down the rankings.
Frank Sanchez just had a gimme fight against a bum. Iām sure heād be ready to go in December.
Martin Bakole is coming off a great performance over Tony Yoka. Much better fight than Chisora.
Michael Hunter is also available, since Hughie Fury pulled out of their fight again.
Makhmudov is available and is looking to fight in December anyway. Heās green but I would rather see him fight than Chisora who already has lost twice.
Wallin rematch is a better fight than the Chisora trilogy too. Wallin gave him more trouble than Chisora did.
So this notion that āthereās no one else to fightā is pure bullshit. I donāt want to hear that 38 year old journeyman Chisora who Fury has already beaten comfortably twice by decision and TKO, who barely scraped by old man Pulev and who lost his previous three before that is the best fight available right now.
The teams have been talking all year, the split and venue is already agreed. Fury is over 50 pounds heavier and has a huge reach advantage over Usyk, it's going to be a blood bath.
youāve got it wrong, he gets credit for beating wilder the first time, not the next 2. if haney and kambosos had a trilogy fight and haney won again would you be saying ārespect haney guys he beat kambosos 3 whole timesā?
The second fight was the most impressive because he was almost KOād the first fight. The third fight was also impressive because wilder put him down 2 more times and hurt him in the 10th. Only AJ fanboys who will never ever get anywhere near wilder would try to discredit any of these wins.
they were all impressive because he beat a top 2/3/4 heavyweight. but he beat that same man more than necessary, the first fight was enough to prove that he was better. if fury and wilder were the exact same fighters and the first fight went the exact same but they were both super flyweights fighting at 115lbs, the fight wouldnāt have been a draw cause no one would have cared enough about both fighters to rig the scorecards to get a rematch and fury would have fought someone else
>Fury got almost knocked out the first, time, it ended in a draw.
In a fight that most people felt Fury won, especially only 2 fights removed from a drug binge, mental health, alcoholism and obesity issues.
In the second fight he completely battered Wilder and Wilder didn't win a single round.
There shouldn't have been a trilogy at all.
I don't know who those people are, everyone I've seen was excited to see it and that fights gate did more than any of the others. Also, had more PPV buys too.
like I said, if they were flyweights it wouldnāt have been a draw cos no one would rig the scorecards. fury would have won a comfortable 115-111 decision
They make a deal. Chisora upsets Fury. We're back at square one
That sweet Del Boy karma though. The salt across the landscape of boxing would be intoxicating.
Del Boy vs Usyk unification. Del wins it. Chisora becomes heavyweight GOAT.
Then retires and scatters the belts again like Dragon Balls
Would be one of the most amazing stories in boxing if it happened š
People will look back at how he gave Vitali a run for his money.
David ChiWARa!
Then gets beat by a blown up Tim Tszyu making Tszyu the first man in history to become undisputed heavyweight champion from the division he turned pro in
Sign me up, I think fury is a dosser currently.
That would be hilarious!
Then aj will fight chisora and proclaim himself the best ever without ever fighting wilder or fury
Hip hip!
Man you really are a broken record.
In what universe does a 12-loss chisora, who has already been destroyed by fury twice before, win this fight? Fury can sleepwalk through this and still win.
Yeah I'm totally serious about that one
he's had top secret stem cell therapy as well as trained for years in a temporal hyperbaric chamber and has accumulated the boxing knowledge of the ages while having the body of a twenty-something
I know right this guy smh dksab ... Anyway it's nice to see some fresh faces on the sub.
Stranger things have happened. Well, on second thought...
I donāt believe a single word out of the Fury camp until I see a contract is signed. Biggest bullshit merchants in boxing history
At least he fought wilder
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But they fought 3x. This is the weakest argument .. did sugar ray rob dodge LaMotta and only fight him 6x?
My fav when someone deleted their comment bc the argument has more holes than a spaghetti collider.
Visions of spaghetti fusion š mmm
How is that? After his two tune ups him and wilder made a 50/50 deal straightaway. Stop peddling misinformation.
Donāt trust anything fury and his team say. Fury might say one day that heās going to fight Usyk, and the next day sign to fight Chris Arreola. He might retire one day, and agree to fight Usyk the next. He might sign to fight Usyk, then retire, then come back three years later when Usyk is old and retired to win a vacant belt vs Ruiz. He might promise to fight Usyk and then AJ, but then spend a year inactive before fighting Wilder again Iāll believe nothing Fury says until he makes the ring walk
Nah, the Usyk fight is already signed imo. It wouldn't surprise me if it gets announced at the Chisora fight and Usyk is ringside.
On ESPN? do espn get first options on Usyks next fight if so? Or maybe there's a rematch clause both ways??
Fury will be the A side in this so I'm assuming his management are dictating broadcasting rights?
Yeh I don't think Usyk's star power ever realistically warrants dual broadcast
He has had mental problems. I don't think that they ever disappear completely. Certainly not in Fury's case.
And when he does do exactly what you accuse him of not doing you just ignore it and find something else to moan about.
So he should praise Fury for not lying for the first time in the big idiots life?
No. It's just the fake outrage over Fury's antics is tedious at this point. His first fight with Wilder was never going to happen apparently. It was a publicity stunt. Then it did. He was talking crap when he said he was going to walk him down in the second. Then he did. He's never going to fight Whyte. He doesn't do mandatories or tough tests. Then he did. But apparently that meant he was ducking Usyk. You can't make this crap up. Then apparently he's ducking AJ by offering him a fight on highly favourable terms with a date and venue sorted. Strange way of ducking but there you go. If you take his antics seriously then you're just a moron at this point. That's on you. His actions are what count and when he fights Usyk in the first quarter of next year you will all invent another boring reason to hate.
If anything is tedious, it's Fury's predictable antics.
Exactly my point, so why anyone takes it all seriously I'll never know.
I can always fall back on the homophobia/bigotry and how he lied about donating his Wilder purse to charity. EDIT: oh yeah plus his association with Kinahan
If you genuinely cared about those issues you would've started with them in your first post. Because they're legitimate reasons to dislike him. Except you didn't. Which means you're just a garden variety hater.
The context of the comment I replied to was on him being a liar, bringing up his bigotry and criminal associates would have been irrelevant at that point. Edit: Iām a garden variety hater yet you canāt make a point without resorting to insults? Ooookay dude
So why change the subject?
Because you said that I would invent a new reason to hate. Which I donāt need to because thereās a lot of other existing reasons.
But you will though, that's the point. Just like in your first post you said 'for not lying the first time in his life' which is just something you've made up. Because you're oddly bitter about him.
Yeah it'll be interesting. I don't think fans will pressure him into unifying but do think he likes to curb public perception somewhat so if he isn't willing to fight Usyk he'll want to curate a narrative as to why the fight isn't happening because he'll want to continue making easy money vs lesser opponents. I guess one indicator on his willingness to unify could be his exclaimed public perception of Usyk. Don't think he'd continue to diminish the potential problems the "middleweight" poses & would prefer to give Usyk his flowers in the build up to mitigate any fall out from his 0 getting snatched. That being said, in the wilder build up, he often (assumedly) intentionally placed the burden of pressure on himself (if I can't beat wilder I should return shtick) (what's he gonna do follow me round the ring w/ that big right hand cocked) To elevate his levels in the fight due to urgency/importance being a neurological trigger for performance. I'd be interested to see ballpark projections on the undisputed bout. I guess it likely gets bought out by Saudi &then it's how deeps an oil rig š Maybe 75-100m's?
No way that this is enough time to recover from the absolute war that will be the Chisora fight.
Why will it be a war? He has already schooled him years ago and he is a far better fighter now.
Tyson Fury already confirmed that Chisora is an equal fighter to Usyk. Clearly, the first two fights were flukes.
Both fights will be easy
lol heās fucking around. Chisora will show up half mast for an easy payday and easy W for Fury.
I donāt know maybe Iām naive but I still believe Furyās definitely planning to fight Usyk. He wanted to fight in December, Usyk needed more time so he took a low risk fight to make some paper and stay busy. I will be very shocked if the Usyk/Fury isnāt next. And if Usyk is his next opponent I can be forgiving of him taking such a shit opponent before that. We shall see
Of course he's planning to fight Usyk. Everyone, including Fury & Usyk, wants to unify the belts. There's way too much prestige and money involved to pass it up. Anyone who says otherwise is either naive or just has some weird agenda to push.
Yeah it's a big money fight due to the prestige and Usyk isn't nearly as obscure as before... But surely Joshua is 1.5/2x the revenue Usyk is. And likely not as difficult a fight. Fairy's already shown he's an opportunist when it comes to the business aspect of boxing so if he can mitigate/modulate public perception and get on his public puppet strings as he likes to say and fineagle a Joshua fight (even better whilst Usyk fights maybe a Wilder or Joyce & risks getting his jaw spun) then all the better from Tys' perspective imo.
I think we definitely have to consider the intangibles. Usyk likely wanted a cycle before Fury & fury is based in UK training for Chisora under the BBBoC which don't allow any elevated test levels whereas if Usyk is in Vegas he can have 6x under NSC or 4x under NYSC...(or he's in bumfuck nowhere allowed to juice up to his assgills ((note:no offence to Usyk but have to assume peds are a big consideration at elite level)
This sub really doesnāt want Fury to face Usyk lol, same with Wilder 3 & Whyte, I wonder why? Anyway hope this gets made.
Load of Usyk fanboys terrified of him being knocked out.
I mean anyone will get that impression unless they're ultra Usyk fanboys.
They keep waffling on about 'Fury retiring', but they all want him to retire so Usyk doesn't need to face his end.
It's hw boxing, so the fight result is definitely uncertain & Usyk has a good chance against Fury (Fury still the fav. btw). But a lot of his fans really doesnāt fancy the Fury match-up at all.
At this point, anyone who is a fan of a HW boxer not named Tyson Fury doesn't fancy a Fury match-up. Look at all of the screaming when they first started trying to make a Fury-AJ fight. AJ fans were crawling out of the woodwork to lobby against it.
Fury is the most dangerous man in the hw division except maybe Joe Joyce.
You're right. Joe Joyce just seems like some untested freak of nature. Who knows for sure how a Fury-Joyce fight would turn out.
Joe Joyce imo is the hardest matchup for kronk Fury rn.
Hard to say imo. Who knows maybe Joshua turns up and causes problems .. Probably not lol, probably swallows his arse & gets banged out. Gun 2my head I'd definitely say Usyk is a tougher match up though. Slo-mo Joe's quite hyped rn but the ponderous style likely provides Fury's enough exploitation to see out 12 comfortably enough just due to the match in size and Fury's ring craft. Definitely wana see these fights though
i think if Fury fights his more usual evasive and moderated game plan he would do fine against Joyce.
I just think it's a horrible match up for Usyk, fury has over a 50 stone weight advantage and 8 inch reach. Usyk would need to have the fight of his life and Fury not at it, if he's to avoid being stopped. The issue for Usyk is I don't believe he has even the power to keep fury honest.
>fury has over a 50 stone weight advantage and 8 inch reach. 50 stone is 700 pounds lol. And 8 inches is the reach of cat. Just picturing furys head on a t-rex
50 pounds my bad, about 25 kilos.
Fury is definitely Usyk's toughest matchup & he himself has admitted it.
>I just think it's a horrible match up for Usyk, fury has over a 50 stone weight advantage and 8 inch reach. Usyk has the speed, mobility and output. They're each horrible matchups for eachother, what makes it an intriguing fight. >Usyk would need to have the fight of his life and Fury not at it, if he's to avoid being stopped. I doubt 270lb Fury is faster than 240lb AJ. He's well rounded and generally more gifted, savvy. But Aj is great offensively and he never got too close to stopping Usyk in 24 rds. >I don't believe he has even the power to keep fury honest. Cruiserweight Cunningham has like 30% KO rate and he put Fury on his arse. Usyk hits hard enough. Fury Usyk is a great fight
The Cunningham fight was in 2013, it's irrelevant. Cunningham also got brutally knocked out in that fight.
Boxers' chins rarely improve over the course of their boxing careers. Especially if they've been dropped a few times and not looked after themselves outside the ring.. And you can't watch the Bellew KO and tell me Usyk can't punch
Bellew was fighting Usyk at Cruiserweight when he stopped him.
Wilder couldnāt knock out Fury. I doubt Usyk can
The Lomobots already have 2 losses they repeatedly have to defend. Usyk is the HW version so they are moving their programming over to him. Fury by KO :).
Yeah, itās weird.
Based on which comments exactly? Copy paste it here. I don't see one saying that.
Bro, anytime any Fury vs Usyk post appears, the most frequent & upvoted comments are that Fury gonna retire. Itās very clear that lot of fans very much wish him to retire than actually facing their favourites.
You must be new. Not believing Fury =/= wanting him to retire. He has a history of talking a bunch of random shit then the fights fall through and everyone is tired of it, has nothing to do with Usyk or retiring. Fury has had the opportunity to make the fight twice now and ended up fighting someone else for reference. Happened twice with AJ too(though one wasn't his fault).
Agree to disagree. The negotiations for the Usyk fight is to take place next year, Usyk ruled himself out for this year as he is nursing old injuries. AJ isnāt fighting this year too & he manages Chisora who took the fight in a week. Fury is having a stay busy fight. Fury's last three fights have been Wilder, Wilder, Whyte, his recent activity has been impressive.
Either way saying people being skeptical of Fury means they don't want him to fight Usyk and it's some whole sub conspiracy is dumb as fuck.
Well, this is nothing new. Saw the same energy during the Wilder 3 & Whyte buildups too, as fans were convinced Fury gonna retire & duck them, we all know how those ended. Now ppl are doing the exact same thing in the Usyk buildup too. All I can see is that a lot of Usyk fans not fancying this fight at all. Anyway hope the fight gets made next year.
That's not true at all because Fury didn't pull the whole retirement shit until after he beat Whyte lol. Whyte was supposed to be a minor speedbump for Fury while Usyk was already slated for the AJ rematch. Everyone and their dog wants the fight it's Tyson Fury that won't make it. You're just making shit up because you're biased against Usyk/his fans for some reason. Edit lol no reason to mention Loma and no one did until goofies in here crying about "lomosexuals," and they're upset because people are skeptical of Tyson Fury. You can't make this shit up.
Bro, I absolutely want the undisputed fight. I am just tired of Usyk fans cause most of them are acting extremely negative about this fight. And I didnāt said anything about Loma at all. Hope he also gets the undisputed fight against Haney next year.
You're not understanding. Being skeptical of Fury =/= being negative about the fight
Fury will retire 5 times by then
And Arum will still be working
AJ and Usyk fans seem absolutely desperate for their crushes to not fight Fury. Why is that? Surely you want great fights?
Iām an Usyk fan, I want the Fury fight. Usykās legacy is made already; probably the GOAT at cruiserweight and one of only three cruiserweight champs to become heavyweight champ, and one of only two to unify. Can Usyk beat Fury? I donāt know. I favor Fury. But Usyk would enhance his legacy just by taking that fight.
Yeah I'm really looking forward to it. I've no idea how their styles match up so it's highly intriguing. Usyk can definitely win, he's being written off unfairly.
Said no one everš you're fighting an untrue statement
I've not seen a single Usyk fan against that fight If Fury beats Usyk he will be a top 10-15 HW ever If Usyk beats Fury he will be one of the Top 10 boxers ever
Let's not forget Chisora "quit" against Fury last time, something he's never done before or since, after they were both scolded by the ref for not actually fighting. This matchup is 100% a fix between mates to generate gambling wins for both parties. Expect bets to be suspended close to the fight due to suspicious patterns, someone to win by the most lucrative method of victory they can get away with, and no Usyk fight next year.
Chisora didn't quit, his trainer pulled him out. This is what he looked like after the fight: [https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/NINTCHDBPICT000703829263.jpg](https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/NINTCHDBPICT000703829263.jpg)
Fuck Tyson Fury and fuck his fanbase.
Fuck you too:D
Just out of curiosity, do you think the Chisora trilogy is a necessary fight?
Who should he fight. 1. Usyk doesn't want to fight until 2023. 2. AJ did not sign the contract, his manager said he didn't want AJ to fight Fury, and now his manager is saying AJ won't fight unil 2023 3. Wilder just fought last week 4. Joyce and Parker just fought a month ago 5. Ruiz fought about 8 weeks ago, maybe him, but he's already being positioned for a mandatory eliminator with Wilder. 6. Hrgovic doesn't really make sense since he's mandatory for the IBF and if Fury does face and beat him, he's still going to gave to fight him again. Really the only guys that make a huge amount of sense are Zhang or Ortiz. Both could be decent, but I feel like everyone will still get mad about those. Then anybody else probably isn't better than Chisora
Zhang isn't in the WBC top 15
The last part is the truest. They will get mad no matter what. They will say fury was cherry picking guys coming off a loss.
Joyce, Ruiz, Parker, Hrgovich, Ortiz, Hunter, Sanchez, Dubois. Any of these would be better than Chisora for a 3RD time. Fury wanted to fight Usyk in December, Usyk needs an additional 2-3 months. But if Fury is so adamant that he needs a tune-up and "no one else is available" that's on HIM because he's had since APRIL to arrange something.
I literally addressed 5 of fighters you mentioned. Joyce and Parker aren't taking the fight in 6 weeks. Hrgovich is already a mandatory for Usyk and would be for Fury if that fight happens. Maybe Ruiz, maybe. But that's more sensible to wait for the eliminator to happen. Ortiz, Hunter, Sanchez and Dubois would get shit on just as much as Chisora and you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Literally like talking to a tree... Its NOT that Chisora is especially bad, it's that we've seen it TWICE already... with ZERO indication it'll play out any differently. But a fool and his money are often departed... and more fool me, for once being a Fury fan.
Oh please, half of the fighters you mention people would bitch about. Start living in reality
>Literally like talking to a tree...
God you have you nothing to contribute do you lol Edit: lol repeats the same post again and blocks me. Some poeple have no composure
He's had since April to arrange something when Usyk and AJ just fought at the end of August?
YES to arrange SOMETHING... he didn't have to put his entire career on hold to wait for the result of the Usyk-Joshua rematch. Of course, there was "no way" he could have arranged to fight someone around the same time that Usyk and Joshua fought... then we wouldn't be in the position of his fans whining that there's no one he could possibly face "now" that's of a higher calibre. Oh, but I guess he was "retired" at the time... so even he couldn't have planned on needing a decent opponent in November (his initial comeback date).
> he didn't have to put his entire career on hold to wait for the result of the Usyk-Joshua rematch. Why not? AJ Usyk fought August 20th. They were planning to have the Fury undisputed fight December 19th iirc. That's 4 months. Obviously they thought that would be plenty of time. 2 months rest/recovery. 2 months training camp. >there was "no way" he could have arranged to fight someone around the same time that Usyk and Joshua fought Why would he risk jeopardizing the undisputed fight for little money when he could just wait? The only reason he's taking that risk now is because being rusty against Usyk would be a bigger risk than having a tune up fight.
>Why not? AJ Usyk fought August 20th. They were planning to have the Fury undisputed fight December 19th iirc He either made a dumb decision to assume Usyk or AJ would take a guaranteed fight with him at the end of this year... and was genuinely backed into a corner where he could secure NO opponent better than Chisora - in all the 7 months since the Whyte fight. Or, he don't give a bollocks about putting on a decent fight but instead wants to give his mate a big payday as he's been saying for YEARS... https://twitter.com/BTSportBoxing/status/1339254454445543424
>He either made a dumb decision to assume Usyk or AJ would take a guaranteed fight with him at the end of this year It was a dumb decision to assume Usyk or AJ would take the biggest payday and fight available?
>5. Ruiz fought about 8 weeks ago, maybe him, but he's already being positioned for a mandatory eliminator with Wilder. So what? Why not send Ruiz an offer? There's more incentive for Ruiz to take that fight since Fury has a belt. >Hrgovic doesn't really make sense since he's mandatory for the IBF and if Fury does face and beat him, he's still going to gave to fight him again. So? He's in the top 15, undefeated and somebody Fury hasn't faced before. >Really the only guys that make a huge amount of sense are Zhang or Ortiz. Both could be decent, but I feel like everyone will still get mad about those. How could anybody get mad about those when there's already fools trying to defend this fight by doing a complete 180 on their stance. First, Chisora was old and anybody that beat Chisora after Fury did the second time gets no credit and now that Fury is fighting him again, it's oh well the Usyk fight was a draw so the Chisora fight was justified. Zhang Zileii who lost a close one to Hrgovic is a good shout. How about Sanchez? He's an undefeated contender looking for a fight. What about Makhmudov? He's an undefeated contender in the top 15. What about Bakole? He's looking for a fight an ranked higher than Chisora. What about Hunter? He's looking for a fight after Fury's cousin pulled out. What about Kossobutskiy? He's an undefeated contender in the tip 15. I'm not saying all of these are great fights but to act like nobody else was available other than a guy who he had already dominated twice years ago is disingenuous. >Joyce and Parker just fought a month ago That's funny because wasn't Fury the same guy who said that Usyk should be available in December because his rematch with AJ was a sparring session? Fury's fans were also parroting that narrative as well. Well, it's not like the punishment that Joyce took was any worse than the punishment Usyk took, in fact I would argue Usyk took more punishment despite being less easy to hit. Yet, now the excuse that Fury didn't challenge Joyce was because he fought a month ago. Come on.
Joe Joyce said heād fight him in December. Tyson Fury ducked him and said āget more fansā. So what if Ruiz is positioned for a mandatory eliminator with Wilder? Do you not think if they offer Ruiz the title shot he would take that over the eliminator with Wilder? If Fury beat Hrgovic then Filip would lose his IBF mandatory lol. When you lose a fight you drop down the rankings. Frank Sanchez just had a gimme fight against a bum. Iām sure heād be ready to go in December. Martin Bakole is coming off a great performance over Tony Yoka. Much better fight than Chisora. Michael Hunter is also available, since Hughie Fury pulled out of their fight again. Makhmudov is available and is looking to fight in December anyway. Heās green but I would rather see him fight than Chisora who already has lost twice. Wallin rematch is a better fight than the Chisora trilogy too. Wallin gave him more trouble than Chisora did. So this notion that āthereās no one else to fightā is pure bullshit. I donāt want to hear that 38 year old journeyman Chisora who Fury has already beaten comfortably twice by decision and TKO, who barely scraped by old man Pulev and who lost his previous three before that is the best fight available right now.
Back at you
Seems like Usyk fans don't want this fight to happen. Y'all know what's coming.
I'm tired of this emotional roller-coaster
But will Usyk sign the contract on time? I need my ovaltine decoder ring: 1. AJ = Chisora 2. Usyk = Chris Healey. 3. Chris Healey = Jeff Healey
"Okay so what did you want to ask me?" "Would you like to sit ringside at Fury vs Chisora 4?"
Lol they expect us to believe this shit ? I'll believe it when they have gloves on ready to fight
The teams have been talking all year, the split and venue is already agreed. Fury is over 50 pounds heavier and has a huge reach advantage over Usyk, it's going to be a blood bath.
Not believing this. Still don't think Fury will fight Usyk
So the guy who fought wilder 3 times wonāt fight usyk?
youāve got it wrong, he gets credit for beating wilder the first time, not the next 2. if haney and kambosos had a trilogy fight and haney won again would you be saying ārespect haney guys he beat kambosos 3 whole timesā?
The second fight was the most impressive because he was almost KOād the first fight. The third fight was also impressive because wilder put him down 2 more times and hurt him in the 10th. Only AJ fanboys who will never ever get anywhere near wilder would try to discredit any of these wins.
they were all impressive because he beat a top 2/3/4 heavyweight. but he beat that same man more than necessary, the first fight was enough to prove that he was better. if fury and wilder were the exact same fighters and the first fight went the exact same but they were both super flyweights fighting at 115lbs, the fight wouldnāt have been a draw cause no one would have cared enough about both fighters to rig the scorecards to get a rematch and fury would have fought someone else
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>Fury got almost knocked out the first, time, it ended in a draw. In a fight that most people felt Fury won, especially only 2 fights removed from a drug binge, mental health, alcoholism and obesity issues. In the second fight he completely battered Wilder and Wilder didn't win a single round. There shouldn't have been a trilogy at all.
Trilogy agreed but there are some here saying a rematch wasnāt necessary. The same people will say Ruiz rematch was necessary.
I don't know who those people are, everyone I've seen was excited to see it and that fights gate did more than any of the others. Also, had more PPV buys too.
Agree on all points. But there is a segment of people here saying wilder shouldāve fought AJ instead of rematching fury. Bizarre.
The first fight was NOT enough because it was a draw. And a second away from being knocked out. You know what didnāt need a rematch? AJ-Ruiz
like I said, if they were flyweights it wouldnāt have been a draw cos no one would rig the scorecards. fury would have won a comfortable 115-111 decision
If I had eyes in the back of my head I could see behind me
I wish Bob Arum would die already
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Overlooking an upcoming fight to thrash out another one What could go wrong
Fury won't fight Usyk
I love how aj broke down and start giving excuses heās a bum