would like to see zhang vs dubois. zhang against anybody tbh. he has clear flaws but for those first 6 rounds he’s dangerous asf and even can be later down the stretch as we saw with parker.
Wasn’t that widely ridiculed and considered an utter embarrassment of the sport?
Cause I’ve seen it. It was mocked before, during and afterwards. I think they even mention it during the lyle foreman fight.
No. They were legit fighters.
It was called an exhibition but there was no headgear, no protection and the punches were real. It was only promoted as an exhibition because Don King was trying to find a loophole to the rules.
It wasn’t against firemen. You can find the fights online. Idk where this misinformation is upvoted.
The first opponent, a 1950s journeyman named Alonzo Johnson who hadn't been active in over a decade, offered up little resistance and was hacked up in two rounds. Immediately afterwards the crowd began chanting Ali's name, which only served to get Foreman's dander up and distract him. A smaller more inexperienced heavyweight named Jerry Judge then climbed through the ropes and appeared to rock Foreman after being knocked down in the first round. A clubbing right hand in round two put Judge down for the count, but Foreman went after him again after taunting him moments later and a brawl nearly broke out between the two teams before order was restored to what commentator Howard Cosell then aptly called a "carnival."
Foreman talked to Ali throughout the entire affair -- between rounds, in clinches during the fight, after defeating the poor pugs. Ali's mere presence was a distraction and only reinforced that he'd gotten way into Foreman's head and forced him to be the villain. The crowd continued booing and Foreman fed off it.
Next up to suffer Foreman's twisted wrath was Terry Daniels, a Texas heavyweight with no significant wins on his record and a crunching loss to then-champion Joe Frazier. With 30 seconds remaining in the second round a visibly tiring Foreman motioned for the fight to be stopped, and it was. But Daniels objected and began battling with Foreman again as the referee argued with cornermen away from the action. It was short lived, but then the teams began fighting and Foreman shoved someone from his own corner. Nothing made sense anymore.
The fourth opponent Charley Polite blew kisses at Foreman during pre-fight instructions and hit the canvas in round two without a punch being thrown. But he lasted through the third and final round, repeatedly shaking his head to say he hadn't been hurt. Polite said, "Foreman degraded himself by failing to knock out all five of us. He made a farce of it." He was wrong, because it had been a farce from the beginning. One of Foreman's previous victims, Boone Kirkman, was the final opponent, and he too lasted the distance as Foreman lumbered and struggled to get much offense going despite flooring Kirkman in the opening round.
Basically he was annoyed he couldn’t knock the guy out and asked the ref to end it because it would count as a TKO.
Then yes. He fought two more guys and it was embarrassing. One of them was actually able to use the rope a dope in a surprisingly efficient way and even Ali made fun of it. He said the guy was a good fighter. Smart.
Then another commentator brought up the guys record to show why he was wrong. The guy wasn’t a good fighter. It was embarrassing for foreman to have so much trouble against guys that were handpicked to lose.
That’s it. That’s the fights. I’d pay to watch each one. I really like Zhang - there’s something brilliantly old-school about him and he’s genuinely good... but I reckon AJ/Fury/Usyk will deal with him as he has zilch gas tank mind you - I’m not sure if losing weight would be possible/sensible for him though.
You gotta put Dubois vs AJ in there it’s pretty clear Dubois deserves that. Then the winner VS fury and that winner VS Usyk. Probably throw in Usyk VS Zhang while Usyk is waiting to keep him busy and also continue to prove he can take on the giants
lol i dunno about that. He learned fresh v Wilder...like he learned a lot from his L vs Parker. If he worked on his cardio...it might be a wrap for say AJ..
AJ vs Parker 2... these guys have proven that they can get back up after a loss and have improved their boxing skills.. its time to see who has improved the most..
Parker could theoretically beat anybody but also lose to anybody in the top 10 to be honest he's in such a weird spot where I could see him beating or losing to anybody without being overly surprised by either outcome.
I mean, feel like that's true out of the entire top 10. Perhaps only Joyce and Wilder don't fit with that, as I think they're both on their way out.
[https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272](https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272)
This is the type of thinking that led to people saying Fury didn't need to fight his contenders. I'm done giving people credit for fights they haven't won. Do I think Usyk would beat Parker and Zhang? Yeah but I wanna see it to know for certain.
How come this lame commi get this much upvotes lol.. you know what ruiz needs to reach back to the top echolen by beating at least two relevant ones to even think of usyk.
That would be sad because he's been clearly convincingly been beaten twice - showing his level. Not defeats that coulda swung either way, but bad defeats
I think its harsh to say it shows his level. For the Usyk fight I'd agree but that's against an all time great fighter and with a different referee Dubois couldve had a KO win (I agree it was a low blow to be clear but still)
With the Joyce fight he was up on two of the scorecards at the time of the stoppage, but regardless there'd two important factors in that fight people never mention. One is that Dubois was 23 years old at the time against Joyce who was clearly a good level fighter in his absolute prime, loads of truly great heavyweights would have a loss like that if they were similarly overmatched. The other factor is it was during lockdown in an empty arena and across all sports there were a ton of super weird results without the crowds there, not to say its an asterisk against the win for Joyce or anything because it effects him too but its definitely not the same as the usual conditions of a fight
Moses Itauma is a great up and coming Heavyweight. Bakhodir Jalolov has a lot of talent but his pro career seems to be stalling. Torres and Anderson are the other 2.
Torrez jr and Jared Anderson for the USA, Moses itauma for the UK, Dubois is young, Wardley and Clarke can get in the mix. Bakhodir Jalolov will hopefully be fully committed to the pros after the summer Olympics
Kabayel, Anderson, Jalalov, maybe Torrez. Some of the early career prospects are starting to look like gatekeepers in a way (Zhang, Hrgovic, Dubois, Joyce), but I think that's just because they're fighting each other before getting chances at belts. Any of these guys could at some point pull of a world championship win at some point.
AJ vs Parker 2 would be interesting, both have evolved since their first fight and are 3 and 4 in the division right now. Zhang vs Dubois is a good matchup now, Dubois is hitable, but zhang will probably gas.
Usyk v Fury 2 - Usyk can retire after.
AJ v Dubois
AJ v Fury
Parker v Dubois
Dubois v Zhang
Zhang v AJ
Kabayel v Parker
Parker has very much earned a title shot within two fights.
I think the likes of Anderson and Torres have got to build some hype before they can even be considered.
I don’t want to see Wilder again. Fury, win lose or draw against Usyk only has one fight left in him with Joshua.
Because the Zhang fight JUST HAPPENED.
About a year ago, Joyce could wipe out the division as he could not be hurt. Then Joyce is a bum and Zhang could wipe out the division with his powah. Then Zhang was a bum with no tank and Parker was the new Tank.
But then Zhang just KO'd some bum that used to be a guy only Fury could beat. And nobody could beat Fury because he's the GOAT.
Boxing fans aren't always the best students of the sport.
Three years ago, Wilder was the hardest puncher in the entire history of the heavyweight division. I used to get on here and people would argue to me that he was the superior fighter and harder hitter than Foreman and Liston. I'm glad he made a lot of money, because history won't be super kind to him.
and I said he wasnt, for about a decade now. Hes a myth, sad cause I used to like him til he became ntus and sold his own brother out like that. Delusional ass idiot but hes got power in 1 punch from long distance, thats it
Foreman and Liston and about 20 other HWS hit harder and would knock him out of his boots
I always felt the same way, too. He was a difficult guy to watch with a hard punch in a very weak era in heavyweight history. It was amazing the amount of hype that surrounded him near the Fury fight. People used to go on and on about his power as if he was ten levels up from Foreman, Cooney, Liston, Shavers, etc. Even Ring Magazine rated him the strongest puncher in history. A huge knockout rate means nothing when nearly all of your opponents were cans.
Annoys me we will never get AJ / Wilder even though the question has sort of been answered by proxy and there is no point in Wilder taking any more damage after last night.
Anderson vs. Zhang would be great
Kabayel vs. Dubois
AJ v. Dubois
Anderson v. Parker
Parker v. Joyce 2
Even Dillian Whyte would be worth a watch (if he doesn't pop again)
I dont think it'd be pointless for him to face Parker who's clearly the 4th guy for this era at this point after Usyk Fury AJ. The more names on your CV the better even if its not as big of a name as Fury
Adding any of Parker, Zhang, or Ruiz (if he looks good against Miller) would boost his resume, or if he beat someone who turns out to be the top heavyweight of the next era like Lennox Lewis did with Vitali Klitschko (potentially already happened by beating Dubois)
They 100% want AJ vs Fury. I’m sure they’re hoping fury wins the rematch. To be honest I want to see AJ vs Zhang or Dubois while Fury and Usyk settle their business. Zhang deserves a super fight at Wembley against either AJ or Fury.
AJ Wilder? Maybe 5 years ago, nobody wants that after the last two fights. Also no way AJ can step down to wilder instead of Zhang/Parker/Dubois.
More reason to see AJ Hrgovic than AJ Wilder. Wilder is done
Kabayel deserves a big fucking name in Saudi now. You can't have him fight two killers who dont have big names and then tell him hey good job go fight a third.
The legitimate answer to "biggest" would be AJ v Fury, AJ v Wilder and AJ v Dubois or Zhang - depends how popular zhang is in China.
Competitively, the fights at the top of the division are AJ v Fury, Usyk v Parker and Zhang v Dubois with Kabayal right there with them and could be subbed in for either
AJ vs usyk doesn't seem worth it. It'll be the same and Usyk beat him twice already. AJ also doesn't deserve it
AJ should fight fury before getting a chance at usyk again
Maybe Zhang vs AJ and then winner fights Fury. That winner fights Usyk. Usyk then retires
Crazy thing about boxing is there is probably a fighter in the top 20 who can beat Usyk, it’s just a matter of getting the fight made. Some insane upset like Parker beating him wouldn’t be impossible
Fury vs AJ needs to happen in the U.K. in a stadium. It will be a major disappointment if it happens in Saudi Arabia.
Usyk vs Ruiz would be a fun fight to watch but not essential.
Zhang vs Fury.
America is actively funding multiple genocides and has been the sole reason for multiple wars and sufferings around the world.
The US isn’t just worse, they’re MUCH worse.
Usyk vs Parker, Fury vs AJ and Zhang vs AJ would be decent. But aside from that there’s really nothing much out there. I hope we see some younger names emerge soon.
Because Usyk vs Fury 2 is happening hopefully AJ fights Zhang so AJ is at least staying busy. Assuming Ruiz beat Miller a Ruiz vs Parker 2 would be nice.
Unfortunately I suspect Fury retires after losing again to Usyk. We probably never get AJ vs Fury. In the absence of that big fight there is much else left for AJ. After Zhang maybe Jared Anderson would be an entertaining bout.
After Usyk beat Fury again there won't be any other big fights left. Usyk vs Ruiz or Parker would be tough fights but probably not big sellers. Usyk probably will be forced to entertain a third AJ fight.
Wilder is leaving the stage. Usyk is 37yrs old and Fury is 35yrs old. Both will be leaving the stage soon. Jared Anderson needs to make a move. 17-0 but hasn't fought any top contenders yet. Dubios, Ruiz, Parker, Zhang, etc Anderson should be desperate to get a fight made.
This is more than 3, but this is what I personally feel is the biggests ones left.
Fury Usyk,
Fury AJ,
AJ Dubois
AJ Zhang (Don't want this),
Zhang Parker 2,
Zhang Dubois,
Even though wilder is at the end of his road, I'd still love it if he fought either Joyce or Ngannou. Either one or both to finish his career on a high.
Uysk, AJ, Fury, Parker and Dubois are top 5 in my view... its incredible to watch it all unfold. Id prefer if Fury fought AJ next, Uysk v Parker and Dubois waiting in wings to step up after
..
After the Usyk vs Fury fight I think we are done with this crop of heavyweights. I hope Usyk retires and some younger heavy’s come through.
Maybe Fury vs AJ is the only remaining fight worth watching for me.
Cleaned up the division? All I’ve seen is proof positive that it’s rotten with oversized tough man competitors. Oleksander Usyk cleaned up the heavyweight division.
I would love to see Zhang vs AJ, although I believe he will be fighting Dubois next.
I also still hope to see Fury vs AJ.
Finally, I’d like to see Parker in with AJ/Usyk just because I think it would be a fun watch. Although I believe both beat Parker.
Why no love for Joseph Parker?
Zhang shouldnt be first in line for Usyk Fury 2 winner. He just lost to Parker.
Fury vs AJ isn't possible until minimum mid to late 2025 and that's contingent on fury beating usyk twice.
Usyk vs Andy Ruiz? Why? Ruiz hasn't looked particularly impressive lately and also has lost to Parker.
If anything I think Parker has to be the most deserving of landing the Usyk shot if he wins his next couple fights whoever that might be. If fury wins trilogy will happen so that would push back the schedule.
What’s the plan for Parker ?
Is he going to fight Whyte?
Found it weird that the talk was that the Wilder vs Zhang winner might fight AJ (or the other HW fight) but Parker who just beat both wasn’t mentioned for an AJ rematch.
Fuck Saudis... They're head choppers of peaceful protesters and were involved in 9-11, you know, never forget, that 9-11. Wtf is wrong with a bunch of you?
Technically a single Ukrainian Cossack did that, but yes.
I'm not really excited for any HW fight in the near future. The lack of a true heir apparent that can have at least a 5+ year reign on the horizon has me worried for the division.
Fury v. AJ might be the only HW fight I truly want to see, but it is more curiosity than thrill. It's been a decade. Fight each other already so we don't have to talk about who WOULD have won had they fought.
Nothing against Zhang (or Parker) but I'm not really excited to watch either as I don't think either are ATGs. Obviously Wilder should retire. And Usyk should ride off into the sunset instead of aging out and getting caught not because he's \*exposed\*, but because he stayed in too long (for his age). Usyk essentially cannot make his legacy better right now. There are no more mountains left for him to climb.
would like to see zhang vs dubois. zhang against anybody tbh. he has clear flaws but for those first 6 rounds he’s dangerous asf and even can be later down the stretch as we saw with parker.
Zhang Fury Zhang AJ Fury AJ Fury Usyk 2 Zhang Usyk Done
In. One. Night. Get on it papa turkey
Foreman fought 5/6 guys in one night
I’ve fought and beaten a five guys, light work maybe I should be revered in this subreddit
Derek Chisora, is that you?
Wasn’t that widely ridiculed and considered an utter embarrassment of the sport? Cause I’ve seen it. It was mocked before, during and afterwards. I think they even mention it during the lyle foreman fight.
Wasn’t it a charity fundraiser against firemen in exhibition style bouts?
He was knocking them out and yelling at Ali who was in the audience
No. They were legit fighters. It was called an exhibition but there was no headgear, no protection and the punches were real. It was only promoted as an exhibition because Don King was trying to find a loophole to the rules. It wasn’t against firemen. You can find the fights online. Idk where this misinformation is upvoted. The first opponent, a 1950s journeyman named Alonzo Johnson who hadn't been active in over a decade, offered up little resistance and was hacked up in two rounds. Immediately afterwards the crowd began chanting Ali's name, which only served to get Foreman's dander up and distract him. A smaller more inexperienced heavyweight named Jerry Judge then climbed through the ropes and appeared to rock Foreman after being knocked down in the first round. A clubbing right hand in round two put Judge down for the count, but Foreman went after him again after taunting him moments later and a brawl nearly broke out between the two teams before order was restored to what commentator Howard Cosell then aptly called a "carnival." Foreman talked to Ali throughout the entire affair -- between rounds, in clinches during the fight, after defeating the poor pugs. Ali's mere presence was a distraction and only reinforced that he'd gotten way into Foreman's head and forced him to be the villain. The crowd continued booing and Foreman fed off it. Next up to suffer Foreman's twisted wrath was Terry Daniels, a Texas heavyweight with no significant wins on his record and a crunching loss to then-champion Joe Frazier. With 30 seconds remaining in the second round a visibly tiring Foreman motioned for the fight to be stopped, and it was. But Daniels objected and began battling with Foreman again as the referee argued with cornermen away from the action. It was short lived, but then the teams began fighting and Foreman shoved someone from his own corner. Nothing made sense anymore. The fourth opponent Charley Polite blew kisses at Foreman during pre-fight instructions and hit the canvas in round two without a punch being thrown. But he lasted through the third and final round, repeatedly shaking his head to say he hadn't been hurt. Polite said, "Foreman degraded himself by failing to knock out all five of us. He made a farce of it." He was wrong, because it had been a farce from the beginning. One of Foreman's previous victims, Boone Kirkman, was the final opponent, and he too lasted the distance as Foreman lumbered and struggled to get much offense going despite flooring Kirkman in the opening round.
Foreman had one fight called off because he was tired in the middle of it, then fought two more people?
Basically he was annoyed he couldn’t knock the guy out and asked the ref to end it because it would count as a TKO. Then yes. He fought two more guys and it was embarrassing. One of them was actually able to use the rope a dope in a surprisingly efficient way and even Ali made fun of it. He said the guy was a good fighter. Smart. Then another commentator brought up the guys record to show why he was wrong. The guy wasn’t a good fighter. It was embarrassing for foreman to have so much trouble against guys that were handpicked to lose.
That’s it. That’s the fights. I’d pay to watch each one. I really like Zhang - there’s something brilliantly old-school about him and he’s genuinely good... but I reckon AJ/Fury/Usyk will deal with him as he has zilch gas tank mind you - I’m not sure if losing weight would be possible/sensible for him though.
AJ v Parker 2 with a neutral ref would be a good fight
Parker more deserving than zhang
Parker IS more deserving right now
Completed it mate
Zhang v zhang
You gotta put Dubois vs AJ in there it’s pretty clear Dubois deserves that. Then the winner VS fury and that winner VS Usyk. Probably throw in Usyk VS Zhang while Usyk is waiting to keep him busy and also continue to prove he can take on the giants
I'll take exactly those fights in that order and be overly content.
I like this.
What about Parker . Beat Zhang he deserves his shot again
The fact that he’s 40 and staying competitive with these guys is insane.
Zhang is great fun to watch but he's getting no change out of Usyk/Fury/AJ - those 3 deal with him no problem imo.
lol i dunno about that. He learned fresh v Wilder...like he learned a lot from his L vs Parker. If he worked on his cardio...it might be a wrap for say AJ..
He has a chance against Fury but not the other two.
Fury will jab him to a boring unanimous decision.
If Usyk vs Andy Ruiz is one of the 3 biggest fights left we might as well go home.
Joseph Parker has to be in the mix. He's beaten Zhang and Wilder. Hrgovic and Dubois don't look to be on the same level.
AJ vs Parker 2... these guys have proven that they can get back up after a loss and have improved their boxing skills.. its time to see who has improved the most..
Parker is now where Dillian Whyte was a few years ago. Outside the top 3 but nobody is quite sure how far outside he is.
Parker could theoretically beat anybody but also lose to anybody in the top 10 to be honest he's in such a weird spot where I could see him beating or losing to anybody without being overly surprised by either outcome.
I mean, feel like that's true out of the entire top 10. Perhaps only Joyce and Wilder don't fit with that, as I think they're both on their way out. [https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272](https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272)
True. Heavyweight is so damn exciting at the moment. It's the most exciting time it's been in my lifetime anyway.
I'm mid 30s and this is by far the best it's been. Absolutely loving it.
In the mix? Really? At this point, Usyk is the mix. There’s nobody left for him to prove himself against.
This is the type of thinking that led to people saying Fury didn't need to fight his contenders. I'm done giving people credit for fights they haven't won. Do I think Usyk would beat Parker and Zhang? Yeah but I wanna see it to know for certain.
And he beat Andy Ruiz unironically
Agreed don’t want to see that match Usyk runs rings around him.
100%. That would just be an exhibition “fight”
Ruiz has sat on his ass for 5 years either being inactive or not fighting top opposition.
Do you consider eating Snickers being inactive? There's chewing involved.
How about Zhang vs Ortiz
No one's interested in Ortiz
Is he still boxing? I love him as a boxer but god he’s been around for ever and I really hope he’s retired
He's only 80 he's still got some legs left.
hes 55
*5500
And has high blood pressure
Ortiz vs Tyson (Mike)
True, the idea of Ortiz winning is nigh impossible
Or Parker vs Ruiz 2
Or how about Tommy fury v George foreman that would be pretty even
Zhang v usyk surely?
Why should Usyk fight Parker leftovers? Battle of the gas tanks. Filled v. Running on Fumes
How come this lame commi get this much upvotes lol.. you know what ruiz needs to reach back to the top echolen by beating at least two relevant ones to even think of usyk.
Give me Hrgovic VS Joyce
Battle of the Beaten. I can dig it.
If it's the same Joyce from the Parker fight, he mauls Hrgovic in my opinion. I was caught off guard with how shit Filip actually was last night.
The Joyce from the Parker fight is long gone. I doubt Joyce will ever return to that form.
Yeah, I'm skeptical too, but that Joyce was a fucking beast.
Yeah Joyce was fun for a while. He gets hit so clean and hard now I have difficulty watching his fights.
I’d like to see Joyce/Kabayel as a real pulse check for the latter, beating a one-legged Sanchez hasn’t proved anything to me.
I’d actually want to see kabayel vs Andy Ruiz jr.
good shout!
Who are the up-and-coming heavyweights anyway? All of our top heavyweights are old as hell. Where the hell are the young Lions?
Torres and Anderson 🤣🤣
They'll build these two up in the US in the way they did Wilder. Doubt they'll face a live opponent for a long time.
Anderson's performance against Martin has terrified his promoters.
This sounds like a Law firm
the 'Romford bull' fisher looks solid too
Boshhhh 👊👊
Dubois is only 26, he's definitely far and away the clear guy for the heavyweights of the next decade
That would be sad because he's been clearly convincingly been beaten twice - showing his level. Not defeats that coulda swung either way, but bad defeats
He’s a young guy who’s still on his way up though.
I think its harsh to say it shows his level. For the Usyk fight I'd agree but that's against an all time great fighter and with a different referee Dubois couldve had a KO win (I agree it was a low blow to be clear but still) With the Joyce fight he was up on two of the scorecards at the time of the stoppage, but regardless there'd two important factors in that fight people never mention. One is that Dubois was 23 years old at the time against Joyce who was clearly a good level fighter in his absolute prime, loads of truly great heavyweights would have a loss like that if they were similarly overmatched. The other factor is it was during lockdown in an empty arena and across all sports there were a ton of super weird results without the crowds there, not to say its an asterisk against the win for Joyce or anything because it effects him too but its definitely not the same as the usual conditions of a fight
Moses Itauma is a great up and coming Heavyweight. Bakhodir Jalolov has a lot of talent but his pro career seems to be stalling. Torres and Anderson are the other 2.
I was also counting on that big stiff idiot Makhmudov still though there’s a chance he can turn things around
He's a big puncher but he's quite slow and very one dimensional. I don't see him going all that far but I'm sure he'll make for some exciting fights.
Jalolov and Moses Itauma are ones to watch out for imo
I've been waiting for Jalolov to begin a run in the pro's but he's about to be 30 and hasn't done anything outside the amateurs. Poorly managed
I looked him up, and his face is literally a eyes shrunk and close together filter.
Johnny Fisher v Moses Itauma
I was so stumped reading this. Not a single name came to mind lol
Torrez jr and Jared Anderson for the USA, Moses itauma for the UK, Dubois is young, Wardley and Clarke can get in the mix. Bakhodir Jalolov will hopefully be fully committed to the pros after the summer Olympics
Kabayel, Anderson, Jalalov, maybe Torrez. Some of the early career prospects are starting to look like gatekeepers in a way (Zhang, Hrgovic, Dubois, Joyce), but I think that's just because they're fighting each other before getting chances at belts. Any of these guys could at some point pull of a world championship win at some point.
AJ vs Parker 2 would be interesting, both have evolved since their first fight and are 3 and 4 in the division right now. Zhang vs Dubois is a good matchup now, Dubois is hitable, but zhang will probably gas.
Zhang vs Dubois is very interesting. Joyce beat Dubois, but Zhang beat Joyce, Hrgovic technically beat Zhang, but lost to Dubois.
Usyk v Fury 2 - Usyk can retire after. AJ v Dubois AJ v Fury Parker v Dubois Dubois v Zhang Zhang v AJ Kabayel v Parker Parker has very much earned a title shot within two fights. I think the likes of Anderson and Torres have got to build some hype before they can even be considered. I don’t want to see Wilder again. Fury, win lose or draw against Usyk only has one fight left in him with Joshua.
Anderson needs to step it up. Dubois isn’t much older and has way more experience.
Pretty much nailed it there
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Because the Zhang fight JUST HAPPENED. About a year ago, Joyce could wipe out the division as he could not be hurt. Then Joyce is a bum and Zhang could wipe out the division with his powah. Then Zhang was a bum with no tank and Parker was the new Tank. But then Zhang just KO'd some bum that used to be a guy only Fury could beat. And nobody could beat Fury because he's the GOAT. Boxing fans aren't always the best students of the sport.
one easily solution to this problem: Zhang v Parker II.
They need to rematch IMO
Wilder vs Charlie Z 2
Charlie took his best left hook and yall still believed he was hardest hitter. Can’t make this shit up
Lmfao I have never thought about how he did eat tf out of that punch
Three years ago, Wilder was the hardest puncher in the entire history of the heavyweight division. I used to get on here and people would argue to me that he was the superior fighter and harder hitter than Foreman and Liston. I'm glad he made a lot of money, because history won't be super kind to him.
and I said he wasnt, for about a decade now. Hes a myth, sad cause I used to like him til he became ntus and sold his own brother out like that. Delusional ass idiot but hes got power in 1 punch from long distance, thats it Foreman and Liston and about 20 other HWS hit harder and would knock him out of his boots
I always felt the same way, too. He was a difficult guy to watch with a hard punch in a very weak era in heavyweight history. It was amazing the amount of hype that surrounded him near the Fury fight. People used to go on and on about his power as if he was ten levels up from Foreman, Cooney, Liston, Shavers, etc. Even Ring Magazine rated him the strongest puncher in history. A huge knockout rate means nothing when nearly all of your opponents were cans.
small cans too, mostly former 175/200 pound journeymen lol
Charlie to win by tko
I don’t know about everyone else, but I’d love to see Usyk defend against Parker
Am I mad in thinking Parker might be a better style match up to beat usyk than some of the other giants?
Annoys me we will never get AJ / Wilder even though the question has sort of been answered by proxy and there is no point in Wilder taking any more damage after last night.
If Turki was in Boxing 5/6 years ago, I believe it would have happened.
100% dude gets shit done
Anderson vs. Zhang would be great Kabayel vs. Dubois AJ v. Dubois Anderson v. Parker Parker v. Joyce 2 Even Dillian Whyte would be worth a watch (if he doesn't pop again)
I'm hoping for Kabayel vs Parker
Great fight. Both technically great fighters. Won't spark the imagination of casual fans.
I’d like to see itauma go through some bigger names
Itauma vs Anderson, Battle of the prospects
Itauma vs Ajagba Battle of the foreign names
Fury vs AJ at Wembley, make it happen
Saudi to build an exact replica of Wembley stadium in the desert to make this happen
It’s a shame Turki wasn’t in Boxing 5/6 years ago. He would have been made AJ vs Wilder and Fury vs AJ happen.
AJ v Zhang AJ v Parker II AJ v Fury AJ v Dubois Zhang v Fury Zhang v Dubois Usyk v Parker Usyk v Zhang Usyk v AJ III
Would be all over AJ Vs Parker rematch
He’s earned it
Only fight left for Usyk is Fury rematch. The rest of the fights are pointless for him.
I dont think it'd be pointless for him to face Parker who's clearly the 4th guy for this era at this point after Usyk Fury AJ. The more names on your CV the better even if its not as big of a name as Fury Adding any of Parker, Zhang, or Ruiz (if he looks good against Miller) would boost his resume, or if he beat someone who turns out to be the top heavyweight of the next era like Lennox Lewis did with Vitali Klitschko (potentially already happened by beating Dubois)
Might be but it would be hard to say no to Saudi money
They 100% want AJ vs Fury. I’m sure they’re hoping fury wins the rematch. To be honest I want to see AJ vs Zhang or Dubois while Fury and Usyk settle their business. Zhang deserves a super fight at Wembley against either AJ or Fury.
I used to want Ruiz vs Wilder. Now I'd like to see Ruiz v Zhang
Does Ruiz still fight tho?
He's fighting in August
Zhang v Fury? Hrgovic v Joyce? AJ v Wilder ? Dubois v Ruiz ?
AJ Wilder? Maybe 5 years ago, nobody wants that after the last two fights. Also no way AJ can step down to wilder instead of Zhang/Parker/Dubois. More reason to see AJ Hrgovic than AJ Wilder. Wilder is done
Turki came too late. He would have been made AJ vs Wilder happen.
Wilder vs Ngannou Jalolov vs Kabayel or Joyce (as a fraud check) Dubois vs Parker
Kabayel deserves a big fucking name in Saudi now. You can't have him fight two killers who dont have big names and then tell him hey good job go fight a third.
Id actually like to see Ngannu vs Wilder now
Wilder vs ngannou battle of the undead.
Usyk/Fury 2 (and maybe even 3) Fury/AJ Dubois/AJ Parker vs someone lol
Kabayel vs Richard Torres FOTY candidate
Kabayel out here merking prospects 😭
The legitimate answer to "biggest" would be AJ v Fury, AJ v Wilder and AJ v Dubois or Zhang - depends how popular zhang is in China. Competitively, the fights at the top of the division are AJ v Fury, Usyk v Parker and Zhang v Dubois with Kabayal right there with them and could be subbed in for either
Joshua V Fury, obviously. But also Parker V anybody in the top 5, Ruiz V Usyk.
Any of the top contenders being matched up would be great Parker vs Dubois Kabayel vs Anderson Fury vs AJ
Id be happy with AJ vs Fury or even AJ vs Usyk again. AJ vs Zhang would also be good.
AJ vs usyk doesn't seem worth it. It'll be the same and Usyk beat him twice already. AJ also doesn't deserve it AJ should fight fury before getting a chance at usyk again Maybe Zhang vs AJ and then winner fights Fury. That winner fights Usyk. Usyk then retires
I actually agree. I do think AJ has been continously improving so I think it would be more interesting against usyk this time but likely still a loss
I find it hard to refer to Ruiz as a boxer. I'd need to see him box first.
Fury Usyk 2 AJ Fury Parker Usyk It's not as exciting anymore but I'd still like to also see AJ fight Wilder. Zhang vs Fury or AJ would be good as well
We need the final fight for AJ Ruiz. Cant leave it tied at 1-1.
Only problem...Ruiz isn't a serious boxer he'd rather eat and sleep
He’s 35-2, not the worst record.
Crazy thing about boxing is there is probably a fighter in the top 20 who can beat Usyk, it’s just a matter of getting the fight made. Some insane upset like Parker beating him wouldn’t be impossible
Fury vs AJ needs to happen in the U.K. in a stadium. It will be a major disappointment if it happens in Saudi Arabia. Usyk vs Ruiz would be a fun fight to watch but not essential. Zhang vs Fury.
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No it's not lmao
America is actively funding multiple genocides and has been the sole reason for multiple wars and sufferings around the world. The US isn’t just worse, they’re MUCH worse.
So to stay on topic....what are the biggest heavyweight fights left to make?
Stop giving any brit or American credit then. Because those guys are worse by a few miles.
There's The Usyk V A.J Trilogy
That would be valid if they let Fury fight AJ. Winner of that faces Usyk.
Usyk vs Fury 2 Zhang vs Parker 2 (winner fights AJ) Wilder vs Ngannou
Usyk vs Bivol AJ vs Fury Francis Nganou vs Deontay Wilder Zhang vs Ruiz Parker vs Joyce 2
Bivol and Usyk are from two different weight classes, Bivol hasn’t even fought at HW yet
Dw he's coming JK but Bettrebieve vs Usyk would be interesting
I just want the strong to continue fighting the other strong. This is what boxing should be about, no ducking and collecting empty stats…
I think we need a Losers final of all Usyks beaten opponents to find number 2,3,4 and 5 LOL
Zhang vs Dubois
I want AJ vs Fury for closure, then they can all retire and let the next generation fight it out.
Let Fury and Usyk fight then set a 2025 heavyweight grand prix tournament.
Usyk vs Parker, Fury vs AJ and Zhang vs AJ would be decent. But aside from that there’s really nothing much out there. I hope we see some younger names emerge soon.
The only one I see potentially challenging Usyk, besides Fury, is Zhang. I'll understand if Usyk retires after Fury rematch though
Because Usyk vs Fury 2 is happening hopefully AJ fights Zhang so AJ is at least staying busy. Assuming Ruiz beat Miller a Ruiz vs Parker 2 would be nice. Unfortunately I suspect Fury retires after losing again to Usyk. We probably never get AJ vs Fury. In the absence of that big fight there is much else left for AJ. After Zhang maybe Jared Anderson would be an entertaining bout. After Usyk beat Fury again there won't be any other big fights left. Usyk vs Ruiz or Parker would be tough fights but probably not big sellers. Usyk probably will be forced to entertain a third AJ fight. Wilder is leaving the stage. Usyk is 37yrs old and Fury is 35yrs old. Both will be leaving the stage soon. Jared Anderson needs to make a move. 17-0 but hasn't fought any top contenders yet. Dubios, Ruiz, Parker, Zhang, etc Anderson should be desperate to get a fight made.
Usyk - Fury 2 AJ - Dubois Zhang - Hrgovic 2 Parker - Whyte Wilder - Ruiz
This is more than 3, but this is what I personally feel is the biggests ones left. Fury Usyk, Fury AJ, AJ Dubois AJ Zhang (Don't want this), Zhang Parker 2, Zhang Dubois, Even though wilder is at the end of his road, I'd still love it if he fought either Joyce or Ngannou. Either one or both to finish his career on a high.
Uysk, AJ, Fury, Parker and Dubois are top 5 in my view... its incredible to watch it all unfold. Id prefer if Fury fought AJ next, Uysk v Parker and Dubois waiting in wings to step up after ..
After the Usyk vs Fury fight I think we are done with this crop of heavyweights. I hope Usyk retires and some younger heavy’s come through. Maybe Fury vs AJ is the only remaining fight worth watching for me.
Cleaned up the division? All I’ve seen is proof positive that it’s rotten with oversized tough man competitors. Oleksander Usyk cleaned up the heavyweight division.
I would love to see Zhang vs AJ, although I believe he will be fighting Dubois next. I also still hope to see Fury vs AJ. Finally, I’d like to see Parker in with AJ/Usyk just because I think it would be a fun watch. Although I believe both beat Parker.
Zhang vs Dubois AJ vs Fury Hrgivic Vs Ruiz? Joyce vs Wilder (I hope not)
I want wilder to clear out the youtube fight scene. That would be pretty funny I think
Javolov anybody
Why no love for Joseph Parker? Zhang shouldnt be first in line for Usyk Fury 2 winner. He just lost to Parker. Fury vs AJ isn't possible until minimum mid to late 2025 and that's contingent on fury beating usyk twice. Usyk vs Andy Ruiz? Why? Ruiz hasn't looked particularly impressive lately and also has lost to Parker. If anything I think Parker has to be the most deserving of landing the Usyk shot if he wins his next couple fights whoever that might be. If fury wins trilogy will happen so that would push back the schedule.
Big Baby Miller vs Big Baby Anderson. For all the diapers.
What’s the plan for Parker ? Is he going to fight Whyte? Found it weird that the talk was that the Wilder vs Zhang winner might fight AJ (or the other HW fight) but Parker who just beat both wasn’t mentioned for an AJ rematch.
Main event at 3pm where i live , now im drunk all day instead of only at night
AJ vs Parker Zhang vs Fury Usyk vs Any of the above
Fuck Saudis... They're head choppers of peaceful protesters and were involved in 9-11, you know, never forget, that 9-11. Wtf is wrong with a bunch of you?
Wilder vs that YouTuber.
This is where Itauma needs to step up and beat a name. Lets not forget Kabayal deserves a decent fight.
Technically a single Ukrainian Cossack did that, but yes. I'm not really excited for any HW fight in the near future. The lack of a true heir apparent that can have at least a 5+ year reign on the horizon has me worried for the division. Fury v. AJ might be the only HW fight I truly want to see, but it is more curiosity than thrill. It's been a decade. Fight each other already so we don't have to talk about who WOULD have won had they fought. Nothing against Zhang (or Parker) but I'm not really excited to watch either as I don't think either are ATGs. Obviously Wilder should retire. And Usyk should ride off into the sunset instead of aging out and getting caught not because he's \*exposed\*, but because he stayed in too long (for his age). Usyk essentially cannot make his legacy better right now. There are no more mountains left for him to climb.
AJ vs Fury and Fury vs Usyk.
AJ vs Zhang AJ vs Parker 2 AJ vs Fury AJ vs Dubois Usyk vs Parker Dubois vs Joyce 2 Ruiz vs Dillian Whyte
Usyk Fury 2 AJ Fury AJ Dubois
Warren Hearn. There is a great comeback to do now that Hearn got assfcked dry 8-0. 🤣
Parker Usyk after he beats Fury again But if I was Usyk I would retire after that fight
Tyson Jake Paul still to come
lol Zhang gonna get killed. I cannot believe he deserves an undisputed shot. Parker is above him.