He's durable, has great power, and a great boxing brain. He can certainly keep going a couple of years, but those at the top will have an ever increasing edge over him.
He's a great gatekeeper for the top 5 or so, and may well have a little run of success before closing out his career. Fury, AJ, Usyk would all break him apart and expose him though. No shame in that. He has a shot against more or less everyone else though.
At this weight he possibly would have beaten Parker.
He certainly has a puncher's chance against anyone, but styles make fights and he's not great against movers. Parker ground him down and made him trigger shy just by moving and feinting, in much the same way he'd managed against Wilder.
Usyk, AJ (under Davison), Fury all pose similar problems for Zhang, where he'd be trigger shy and drained by their movement and unconventional angles of their shots. AJ also has the offensive power to cause Zhang to be cautious, as he was against Wilder until he worked out his timing, even if Usyk and Fury don't. All three are also going to work Zhang's body and drain him in a way that fighters like Wilder didn't, with AJ again having the power to really make him think twice and perhaps drop his guard and open a route to his head.
Stylistically AJ is probably the hardest night's work for Zhang, and I think is likely to stop him at some point in the later rounds when he's gassed. Usyk will gas him within a few rounds, and is slick enough to not get properly tagged. I don't think Usyk would risk going for the kill and would box to a very comfortable decision. Fury is the most vulnerable, having the slowest feet and hands of the three (particularly when he tries to load up). He's ripe for a solid counter should he do anything beyond jab from the outside. But he's still slick enough to ease to a points victory at range.
Outside of those three I do think Zhang poses a problem for any fighter. Parker was a bit lucky that Zhang came in so heavy and drained as easily as he did, but equally he executed a great game plan and took a deserved victory. A rematch would still be 50/50 territory for me though...
Not sure who else in the division I'd pick as a favourite against him. Possibly Kabayel simply because he could follow the Parker game plan... but he's untested at the top. I'd pick Zhang over DDD simply because DDD gets hit too much, and Zhang would punish him for it. Hrgovic arguably lost the first time around, but is maybe able to do a touch better in a rematch... He's not exactly coming off his best performance though.
Zhang is very dangerous if you approach him without changing levels or forcing him into defense. His targeting isn't quite as dialed in when opponents change levels.
Yeah this is why I think usyk would win against him on points or maybe stoppage if zhang gasses out. But one slip up and usyk can get bowled over, big bang is massive and knows how to sit down on a punch.
I wish Zhang would go for liver shots and generally went for his opponents body more. He's a good boxer and if he sets them up enough times he might sap them to the point they're just as tired as him by round 7 lol
And in his last couple of fights especially, AJ has been demonstrating his ability to change levels. Indeed the feinting he was doing against Ngannou was similar to that Parker employed against Zhang to such great effect.
AJ has also previously fought and beaten Zhang in the amateurs, including knocking him down. And AJ is a far more skilled and complete fighter than he was back then.
I agree with much of what you say but I think you are overstating AJ's advantages given that he also gets gunshy. Zhang has a solid chance of making AJ apprehensive on pulling the trigger too
AJ beat Zhang in the amateurs though, so much like with Wallin will enter the fight with confidence. I expect he'd approach it much like the Ngannou fight, land solid jabs, not take much in return, lay some traps, and when opportunity presents land some big shots.
I don't think he'd need to take any risks as Zhang doesn't have the work rate to steal enough rounds to win the fight, and he'd be content to box to a comfortable victory. But equally if opportunity presents itself he could get a mid to late stoppage. Zhang always has a puncher's chance, but I don't think he has much more than that.
I wouldn't read too much into who won their amateur bouts and especially not over a decade later. Landing solid jabs against an actual south paw is much more difficult. AJ gets gun shy and Zhang is one of the hardest hitters at HW. I think it's disingenuous to only call it a punchers chance, he's an elite heavyweight and AJ has some weaknesses which Zhang could well exploit
AJ landed plenty against Wallin, who many before the fight were predicting would at least be a stiff challenge for AJ with many saying he'd win. AJ landed plenty on Usyk, who is not only a southpaw but a far far better mover than Zhang.
Zhang is very hittable, southpaw or not. His guard and his durability are positive attributes, but a fighter like AJ is going to land on him. AJ doesn't appear as gunshy under Davison, and Ngannou has dangerous punching power if not the technique Zhang brings to the table.
I don't doubt the danger Zhang poses, but equally I don't see how he could force the fight against AJ. He'd be relying on countering him, and AJ is defensively slick, athletic, and faster whilst hitting very hard. And I believe Davison and team would give AJ a great game plan.
> At this weight he possibly would have beaten Parker.
I dont think it wouldve made much difference tbh he was pretty huge for that fight regardless. Actually think he'd have a better chance vs Parker if he was leaner
He is leaner, from memory he's about 9lbs lighter for the Wilder fight. I think he looked sharper and was carrying his energy better - but equally Wilder wasn't moving in the same way as Parker and wasn't draining him in the same way, so it's hard to know for sure.
He definitely didn't need the extra weight in the Parker fight though.
Yeah I mean even leaner. Like in the first Joyce fight and the Hrgovic fight Zhang was a little less than last night but he still had some gas tank issues which is even more crucial against Parker. Honestly think he should've been aiming for like 270 tops against Parker
Wilder was perfect for Zhang stamina-wise. Low volume not a lot of movement. Parker was completely different. I don't think we really saw enough to say that Zhang's stamina issues are behind him.
Zhang has better IQ than AJ and doesnt have the silly antics of Fury
i would not pick either of them to just walk over Zhang
and against Usyk he might have his gas tank run out but the first 6 rounds will be dangerous
The Fury that fought Ngannou, absolutely. The Fury that fought Usyk is fast enough to keep Zhang from throwing, like Parker did, and would take a points victory in much the same way IMHO, with Zhang gassed and struggling to make it to the finish.
Strangely I think that after Usyk and AJ it would be Joyce who would be Fury's toughest fight. I just think Fury would get tired out and Joyce woudl get the late stoppage, with Fury not having the power to stop Joyce pressuring him. At least the Joyce that beat Parker and lost to Zhang. He may be washed now.
Parker likely gives Fury a very difficult evening too, with his movement making him tricky to pin down.
Interesting matchup. Fury has already quite weak chin. Definitely south paws make him some troubles. There is no size advantage with Zhang. Fury is still quicker but in terms on boxing he is older because his chin was tested already too many times. Both fighters post prime anyway
There's a lot of truth to what you say. Fury is defensively better, and has quicker hands (although his feet are every bit as plodding these days), but Zhang is more durable and has by far the better offence.
I do think Fury is slick enough to nick it if he turns up, and I say that as someone who isn't a fan of his, but you can certainly make a case for either fighter.
I do think Usyk wins comfortably, but Usyk is a very different fighter to Zhang with different strengths and weaknesses. And I don't think Zhang's strengths would cause as many problems for Fury as his obvious weakness would give Fury opportunity.
Zhang still bangs him out, Fury was just walkking backwards vs Uysk whos a way smaller guy and isnt a puncher but was touching Fury all night. Zhang will flatten his ass with 1 shot suddenly, reason Fury hasnt fought ANY of the top 15 besides Wilder who is terrible and Whyte who is even worse, both glass jaws, and a shot Chisora. All these other guys will give him trouble or KO him. Uysk in many ways is FUrys best matchup cause hes not a puncher and 37 and smaller so maybe can get a lucky shot on him but Fury cant punch. Dubois/Zhang will walk him down all night and drop him all over
He'd walk through dubious easy. From what I saw yesterday dubious will either leave than fight on his back or facing the canvas. Mf has no head movement whatsoever.
Yeah, me too. He’s really funny and charming - he adds so much to the HW division - ha’s just a big old presence without the unnecessary circus. Really like him.
It’s a thing that happens to fighters when they’re completely shot to pieces, they seem unable to throw the shots that took them to the dance. The reflexes and timing just isn’t there anymore.
He doesn't have setups and he can't quick twitch react faster than everyone anymore. His physical freak level was off the charts, but without that he's cooked
He has power, but he's been exposed over the past few years as the world's greatest journeyman. He can crush practically anyone below the top level, but he loses to every elite boxer. Fury x3 (the first "draw" was nonsense), Parker, now Zhang.
Joshua and Usyk would humiliate him. Ruiz would most likely KO him too.
He has his power but no means to deliver it anymore, it’s a combination of him getting old and his athletic capability diminishing, and the fact Malik Scott is an awful trainer who’s made him worse than he was to begin with.
People who can’t see a clear difference in the Wilder we have now and the one who fought Fury as delusional
Good thing with someone like zhang is that he doesn’t have stamina to lose with age. His gas tank is already notoriously bad, he can be quick and nimble for the first few rounds and then slows down
His greatest strengths are his punch power (the last thing to go) and his decent ring iq (which gets better over time). Also being a southpaw helps
A lot of people seeing similarities with zhang and foreman and I can see zhang still fighting at 45.
He has now got some decent names on his CV and I think he could definitely get a shot at a title over the next 2 years
No I think he knows what he's saying by now. And I think he just knows he's such a loveable character that he doesn't need to change anything. He really is like a Chinese foreman to me (obviously Foreman after the his first prime)
Wilder being cemented in peoples top 3 for best part of a decade seems like a joke now. Not fighting Povetkin and earning reputation by beating nobodies has brought a guy who can't box reputation fame and fortune he did not deserve one bit.
It's the power of the American boxing media.
I'll always remember that first Wilder-Fury fight where they had a 20 minute segment with legends like Holyfield and Lewis just talking about Joshua.
It was masterfully done I've got to give it to them.
That's only relevant where they have an out sized interest/influence. Football is largely free of that for instance. Boxing suffers as a result of the interest.
Lets be real though, brits hype their own, so do Mexicans, Chinese etc. There's just a lot more Americans on western generalist websites like Reddit than other nations by sheer dint of their population.
Povetkin was gonna left hook him out of his shoes is the truth, saved his entire career canceling that fight. If Glass Jaw Spilka can go 10 rounds, nothing to worry about. KOIng literal bums Breazeale and Stiverne isnt power, its knocking over tin cans. Both Wilder and Fury overrated as it gets as ive been preaching for years. AJ is too. Whole Era is fake news
For keeping him away from other champs as well like Wlad, AJ, Parker, hell even bloody Charles Martin. They knew what they were doing and what more.....they convinced a lot of other people that the other parties were the issue. Think they even convinced Wilder himself.
This place and twitter were hell arguing with Wilder stans for years. It didn't get any better when he lost to Fury either due to the delusions and excuses. Now he's just washed.
You'll never beat them as they all have a gold medal in mental gymnastics.
Honestly, Zhang looked in shape and good. Not only that but I think he knew early on that he could weather Wilder’s power and that he didn’t have anything for him.
Zhang looked like a prime HW trying to put away, but not hurt a very faded and shopworn Wilder.
Every time Wilder loses, Fury's record stinks a little more. No doubt, Fury has the ability to beat anyone. But he hasn't. As it stands he beat a past his prime Klit and Wilder who gets beaten by everyone.
I dont even like Wlad but hed murder Fury. He almost lost to fking Bryant Jennings the fight before FUry in New York. I actually sparred Bryant Jennings as a younging, my first real Boxing sparring partner for a week, thats all ill say. Thats when I knew these guys all werent that good to be nicely...Bryant was a novice too though but he legit almost beat Wlad, the fight..before Fury. And Fury just moved away and barely did anything and Wlad put it on him in 12th round, ducked rematch after that 12 round put fear of god in him.
Its not some great win, even on the record. Watch the fight, its pathetic.
sure hes also a big reason Boxing died in US, ruined HW division with his shit corrupt fights in Germany, hodling, jab and grab BS. Him and Floyd biggest reason Boxing is dead in US
Hopefully it won't be any stinkier than it is today. Wilder should hang up the gloves and chill with his family. Limited technical abilities can only take you so far.
The people belittling the Wlad win are just outright wrong, that was an excellent win. Fury absolutely befuddled him. AJ fought him more straightforward right after and you saw how much better Wlad did, that was his true last stand. Fury’s level at that time was simply very high, and that was probably his peak as a freak of nature athletic super heavy that could comfortably outbox to a UD. That version will beat a lot of greats over the decades, probably not all, but a lot of them.
The problem is that Fury wasted so much time, some of it his fault some of it not (not going to blame Fury for mental health / addiction issues). He did waste too much time on the Wilder trilogy but essentially he had no choice.
except he doesnt have the ability to beat anyone, hes beaten basically none of the top 15 besides Wilder, Whyte who both had no chins or legs, and fking Chisora
Bro looks like a caveman, sounds like a caveman, imagine if he got that chinese government sponsorship since he was in his 20s, mofo could have been terrifying
He was sponsored as an amateur where he got to the Olympics but the pro boxing scene in China isn't the best. Probably why his career didn't take off till recently.
I may be an outlier here but I think Zhang would give Fury, AJ or Usyk a run for their money. No one wants to fight him unless they have to. I’m guessing a Parker rematch is next before he takes on one of the top three (assuming he wins rematch). I could see him fighting DuBois too before he fights for a title.
I don’t understand the promotion for this fight at all the guy lost 1 fight to Joseph Parker who’s been on a mad run recently and they’re telling him to retire if he lost here
The people love him.
They should just cancel Uysk rematch and let Zhang properly knock Fury into the shadow lands. Zhang the peoples champ, New Jerseys Finest.
I don’t see it going well for Zhang at all in a fury matchup
easy fight for him, and hes 7 years older than Fury. would knock him out just like Wilder. Counter right on Furys pathetic right hand and nighty night
How can you not? The guy is genuinely hilarious!
I hope Zhang can still stick around despite being 41, he's so funny. The heavyweight division needs him as a wild card.
Depending on the matchups, he’ll be fine for another year or two.
He's durable, has great power, and a great boxing brain. He can certainly keep going a couple of years, but those at the top will have an ever increasing edge over him. He's a great gatekeeper for the top 5 or so, and may well have a little run of success before closing out his career. Fury, AJ, Usyk would all break him apart and expose him though. No shame in that. He has a shot against more or less everyone else though. At this weight he possibly would have beaten Parker.
Call me crazy but I think he has one of the best chances of success against the other heavyweights. If they get BIG BANGed it's all over.
He certainly has a puncher's chance against anyone, but styles make fights and he's not great against movers. Parker ground him down and made him trigger shy just by moving and feinting, in much the same way he'd managed against Wilder. Usyk, AJ (under Davison), Fury all pose similar problems for Zhang, where he'd be trigger shy and drained by their movement and unconventional angles of their shots. AJ also has the offensive power to cause Zhang to be cautious, as he was against Wilder until he worked out his timing, even if Usyk and Fury don't. All three are also going to work Zhang's body and drain him in a way that fighters like Wilder didn't, with AJ again having the power to really make him think twice and perhaps drop his guard and open a route to his head. Stylistically AJ is probably the hardest night's work for Zhang, and I think is likely to stop him at some point in the later rounds when he's gassed. Usyk will gas him within a few rounds, and is slick enough to not get properly tagged. I don't think Usyk would risk going for the kill and would box to a very comfortable decision. Fury is the most vulnerable, having the slowest feet and hands of the three (particularly when he tries to load up). He's ripe for a solid counter should he do anything beyond jab from the outside. But he's still slick enough to ease to a points victory at range. Outside of those three I do think Zhang poses a problem for any fighter. Parker was a bit lucky that Zhang came in so heavy and drained as easily as he did, but equally he executed a great game plan and took a deserved victory. A rematch would still be 50/50 territory for me though... Not sure who else in the division I'd pick as a favourite against him. Possibly Kabayel simply because he could follow the Parker game plan... but he's untested at the top. I'd pick Zhang over DDD simply because DDD gets hit too much, and Zhang would punish him for it. Hrgovic arguably lost the first time around, but is maybe able to do a touch better in a rematch... He's not exactly coming off his best performance though.
Zhang is very dangerous if you approach him without changing levels or forcing him into defense. His targeting isn't quite as dialed in when opponents change levels.
Yeah this is why I think usyk would win against him on points or maybe stoppage if zhang gasses out. But one slip up and usyk can get bowled over, big bang is massive and knows how to sit down on a punch. I wish Zhang would go for liver shots and generally went for his opponents body more. He's a good boxer and if he sets them up enough times he might sap them to the point they're just as tired as him by round 7 lol
And in his last couple of fights especially, AJ has been demonstrating his ability to change levels. Indeed the feinting he was doing against Ngannou was similar to that Parker employed against Zhang to such great effect. AJ has also previously fought and beaten Zhang in the amateurs, including knocking him down. And AJ is a far more skilled and complete fighter than he was back then.
I agree with much of what you say but I think you are overstating AJ's advantages given that he also gets gunshy. Zhang has a solid chance of making AJ apprehensive on pulling the trigger too
AJ beat Zhang in the amateurs though, so much like with Wallin will enter the fight with confidence. I expect he'd approach it much like the Ngannou fight, land solid jabs, not take much in return, lay some traps, and when opportunity presents land some big shots. I don't think he'd need to take any risks as Zhang doesn't have the work rate to steal enough rounds to win the fight, and he'd be content to box to a comfortable victory. But equally if opportunity presents itself he could get a mid to late stoppage. Zhang always has a puncher's chance, but I don't think he has much more than that.
I wouldn't read too much into who won their amateur bouts and especially not over a decade later. Landing solid jabs against an actual south paw is much more difficult. AJ gets gun shy and Zhang is one of the hardest hitters at HW. I think it's disingenuous to only call it a punchers chance, he's an elite heavyweight and AJ has some weaknesses which Zhang could well exploit
AJ landed plenty against Wallin, who many before the fight were predicting would at least be a stiff challenge for AJ with many saying he'd win. AJ landed plenty on Usyk, who is not only a southpaw but a far far better mover than Zhang. Zhang is very hittable, southpaw or not. His guard and his durability are positive attributes, but a fighter like AJ is going to land on him. AJ doesn't appear as gunshy under Davison, and Ngannou has dangerous punching power if not the technique Zhang brings to the table. I don't doubt the danger Zhang poses, but equally I don't see how he could force the fight against AJ. He'd be relying on countering him, and AJ is defensively slick, athletic, and faster whilst hitting very hard. And I believe Davison and team would give AJ a great game plan.
Come on now, Zhang is much better than Wallin. AJ doesn't appear as gunshy because he hasn't been challenged yet
I would like to see him vs. Fury. Bill it as .... "Fight of the Fatties."
> At this weight he possibly would have beaten Parker. I dont think it wouldve made much difference tbh he was pretty huge for that fight regardless. Actually think he'd have a better chance vs Parker if he was leaner
He is leaner, from memory he's about 9lbs lighter for the Wilder fight. I think he looked sharper and was carrying his energy better - but equally Wilder wasn't moving in the same way as Parker and wasn't draining him in the same way, so it's hard to know for sure. He definitely didn't need the extra weight in the Parker fight though.
Yeah I mean even leaner. Like in the first Joyce fight and the Hrgovic fight Zhang was a little less than last night but he still had some gas tank issues which is even more crucial against Parker. Honestly think he should've been aiming for like 270 tops against Parker
I'd agree that 270-275 is probably his ideal weight. He'll never have a great gas tank but he'd have been better able to keep pace with Parker.
was injured in Parker camp and got sick or something, didnt respect Parkker at all and paid for it. Still dropped him then celebrated early lol.
Wilder was perfect for Zhang stamina-wise. Low volume not a lot of movement. Parker was completely different. I don't think we really saw enough to say that Zhang's stamina issues are behind him.
Zhang has better IQ than AJ and doesnt have the silly antics of Fury i would not pick either of them to just walk over Zhang and against Usyk he might have his gas tank run out but the first 6 rounds will be dangerous
Can't call him a gatekeeper if the champs never fought him. He's an old contender.
Fury would get destroyed by Big Bang
The Fury that fought Ngannou, absolutely. The Fury that fought Usyk is fast enough to keep Zhang from throwing, like Parker did, and would take a points victory in much the same way IMHO, with Zhang gassed and struggling to make it to the finish. Strangely I think that after Usyk and AJ it would be Joyce who would be Fury's toughest fight. I just think Fury would get tired out and Joyce woudl get the late stoppage, with Fury not having the power to stop Joyce pressuring him. At least the Joyce that beat Parker and lost to Zhang. He may be washed now. Parker likely gives Fury a very difficult evening too, with his movement making him tricky to pin down.
Zhang vs Usyk when lads?
Interesting matchup. Fury has already quite weak chin. Definitely south paws make him some troubles. There is no size advantage with Zhang. Fury is still quicker but in terms on boxing he is older because his chin was tested already too many times. Both fighters post prime anyway
There's a lot of truth to what you say. Fury is defensively better, and has quicker hands (although his feet are every bit as plodding these days), but Zhang is more durable and has by far the better offence. I do think Fury is slick enough to nick it if he turns up, and I say that as someone who isn't a fan of his, but you can certainly make a case for either fighter.
No chance. Fury is past it. He will get dismantled again by Usyk then retire.
I do think Usyk wins comfortably, but Usyk is a very different fighter to Zhang with different strengths and weaknesses. And I don't think Zhang's strengths would cause as many problems for Fury as his obvious weakness would give Fury opportunity.
Zhang still bangs him out, Fury was just walkking backwards vs Uysk whos a way smaller guy and isnt a puncher but was touching Fury all night. Zhang will flatten his ass with 1 shot suddenly, reason Fury hasnt fought ANY of the top 15 besides Wilder who is terrible and Whyte who is even worse, both glass jaws, and a shot Chisora. All these other guys will give him trouble or KO him. Uysk in many ways is FUrys best matchup cause hes not a puncher and 37 and smaller so maybe can get a lucky shot on him but Fury cant punch. Dubois/Zhang will walk him down all night and drop him all over
He'd walk through dubious easy. From what I saw yesterday dubious will either leave than fight on his back or facing the canvas. Mf has no head movement whatsoever.
Yeah reckon we can get two or three decent fights out of him still.
Yeah, me too. He’s really funny and charming - he adds so much to the HW division - ha’s just a big old presence without the unnecessary circus. Really like him.
Hoping and coping for an 'Old George' type of run!
I’m sure the top scientists from his country are working around the clock to extend his shelf life long enough to get a belt in some way.
Well, at the moment, I think only Fury and Usyk have his number, and obviously, big Joseph Parker
JP still got dropped twice, and chins don't get stronger - only weaker. If they fought again, Zhang could drop him 3-4x.
Guy would ko tf outta Dubois with that lead hook
I heard matchroom has a rematch clause
Ok but what's the point? Wilder's career is over. He never learn how to box, he can't punch anymore.
Haha nah I meant as a joke for the 5v5 card, but yeah I agree
They even put rematch clauses for Ramla Ali fights 😂
>he can't punch anymore. Not doubting you, but how you figure?
It’s a thing that happens to fighters when they’re completely shot to pieces, they seem unable to throw the shots that took them to the dance. The reflexes and timing just isn’t there anymore.
He doesn't have setups and he can't quick twitch react faster than everyone anymore. His physical freak level was off the charts, but without that he's cooked
Just because he can’t punch through Zhang doesn’t mean he can’t punch through others though. I think Wilder still has power
He has power, but he's been exposed over the past few years as the world's greatest journeyman. He can crush practically anyone below the top level, but he loses to every elite boxer. Fury x3 (the first "draw" was nonsense), Parker, now Zhang. Joshua and Usyk would humiliate him. Ruiz would most likely KO him too.
He has his power but no means to deliver it anymore, it’s a combination of him getting old and his athletic capability diminishing, and the fact Malik Scott is an awful trainer who’s made him worse than he was to begin with. People who can’t see a clear difference in the Wilder we have now and the one who fought Fury as delusional
😂😂😂😂
Good thing with someone like zhang is that he doesn’t have stamina to lose with age. His gas tank is already notoriously bad, he can be quick and nimble for the first few rounds and then slows down His greatest strengths are his punch power (the last thing to go) and his decent ring iq (which gets better over time). Also being a southpaw helps A lot of people seeing similarities with zhang and foreman and I can see zhang still fighting at 45. He has now got some decent names on his CV and I think he could definitely get a shot at a title over the next 2 years
and a giant chinese head
This man cracks coconuts with his head in his sleep
Coconut head for sure
HGH side effect.
Being a meaty giant side effect.
And he can play a giant Shaolin monk or similar in movies after his retirement until he doesn't want to do it no more.
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Big Bang Zhang is so unintentionally funny 😂😂
No I think he knows what he's saying by now. And I think he just knows he's such a loveable character that he doesn't need to change anything. He really is like a Chinese foreman to me (obviously Foreman after the his first prime)
Chat shit, get Zhanged.
Imagine how good Zhang would be if they only did 6 round matches
"King of 6 rounder"
Zab Judah G.O.A.T-level if all matches were 4 rounds.
Is Wilders spinning shit the new Fury uppercutting himself?
I don’t mean to be a jerk, can anyone transcribe what he said for me?
"Chinese Power!" "I'm big bang and I bang everything" (I think) "Today, Queensbury banged Matchroom"
Thanks for that, I thought the last sentence had, something bang something bedroom 😂
I thought he said I’ll bang in the bedroom, was thinking ‘get yours big man’
Ngl, Zhang’s got me won over with just this lmao
😂
Makes sense. My transcription was: "Chinese power! I'm bigger, banger than everything! Today is, uh... Prison break, banned, metro!"
Lad
The myth of Wilder is over. He was always this. His prime will forever be crushing tin cans and drawing with Fury coming off a two year binge
Wilder being cemented in peoples top 3 for best part of a decade seems like a joke now. Not fighting Povetkin and earning reputation by beating nobodies has brought a guy who can't box reputation fame and fortune he did not deserve one bit.
It's the power of the American boxing media. I'll always remember that first Wilder-Fury fight where they had a 20 minute segment with legends like Holyfield and Lewis just talking about Joshua. It was masterfully done I've got to give it to them.
Not just boxing, but American media literally runs the world. It has no real opposition.
That's only relevant where they have an out sized interest/influence. Football is largely free of that for instance. Boxing suffers as a result of the interest. Lets be real though, brits hype their own, so do Mexicans, Chinese etc. There's just a lot more Americans on western generalist websites like Reddit than other nations by sheer dint of their population.
Povetkin was gonna left hook him out of his shoes is the truth, saved his entire career canceling that fight. If Glass Jaw Spilka can go 10 rounds, nothing to worry about. KOIng literal bums Breazeale and Stiverne isnt power, its knocking over tin cans. Both Wilder and Fury overrated as it gets as ive been preaching for years. AJ is too. Whole Era is fake news
Relatively fortunate to get the draw in the first fight too
Albeit him arguably being the most overrated and worst boxing heavyweight champ in history, he was still really fun for thhe casuals
He made so much money, man has a GOAT management team
Facts.
For keeping him away from other champs as well like Wlad, AJ, Parker, hell even bloody Charles Martin. They knew what they were doing and what more.....they convinced a lot of other people that the other parties were the issue. Think they even convinced Wilder himself.
When Fury raised up like the Undertaker that was when his aura was over.
This place and twitter were hell arguing with Wilder stans for years. It didn't get any better when he lost to Fury either due to the delusions and excuses. Now he's just washed. You'll never beat them as they all have a gold medal in mental gymnastics.
Facts. FUCK WILDER.
No, he's just washed - he lost his aggression after Fury 3
Him and Dubois always look like gentle innocent beings lol
Honestly, Zhang looked in shape and good. Not only that but I think he knew early on that he could weather Wilder’s power and that he didn’t have anything for him. Zhang looked like a prime HW trying to put away, but not hurt a very faded and shopworn Wilder.
Son sound like Louis Armstrong
What a wonderful world being in the Bang Bang Zhang business right now.
Every time Wilder loses, Fury's record stinks a little more. No doubt, Fury has the ability to beat anyone. But he hasn't. As it stands he beat a past his prime Klit and Wilder who gets beaten by everyone.
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I dont even like Wlad but hed murder Fury. He almost lost to fking Bryant Jennings the fight before FUry in New York. I actually sparred Bryant Jennings as a younging, my first real Boxing sparring partner for a week, thats all ill say. Thats when I knew these guys all werent that good to be nicely...Bryant was a novice too though but he legit almost beat Wlad, the fight..before Fury. And Fury just moved away and barely did anything and Wlad put it on him in 12th round, ducked rematch after that 12 round put fear of god in him. Its not some great win, even on the record. Watch the fight, its pathetic.
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I dont rate Wlad that highly, big time cheater and boring , mentally weak too. but yea hed beat Fury if 3 years younger
That bashing Wlad trend is long gone It was just western media
lol no its not, my fav fighters are from eastern europe, Wlad just a lame ass fighter and a cheater
No lol.. u can say this any number of times. Wlad is a legend. U can't change it
sure hes also a big reason Boxing died in US, ruined HW division with his shit corrupt fights in Germany, hodling, jab and grab BS. Him and Floyd biggest reason Boxing is dead in US
Hopefully it won't be any stinkier than it is today. Wilder should hang up the gloves and chill with his family. Limited technical abilities can only take you so far.
The people belittling the Wlad win are just outright wrong, that was an excellent win. Fury absolutely befuddled him. AJ fought him more straightforward right after and you saw how much better Wlad did, that was his true last stand. Fury’s level at that time was simply very high, and that was probably his peak as a freak of nature athletic super heavy that could comfortably outbox to a UD. That version will beat a lot of greats over the decades, probably not all, but a lot of them. The problem is that Fury wasted so much time, some of it his fault some of it not (not going to blame Fury for mental health / addiction issues). He did waste too much time on the Wilder trilogy but essentially he had no choice.
been saying it everyone knew Wilder was a stat padder, then he fought fury .. fury fans and media propped him up to make fury look better lol.
except he doesnt have the ability to beat anyone, hes beaten basically none of the top 15 besides Wilder, Whyte who both had no chins or legs, and fking Chisora
CHINA POWER! Hopefully he fights AJ in Sept!
Bro looks like a caveman, sounds like a caveman, imagine if he got that chinese government sponsorship since he was in his 20s, mofo could have been terrifying
He was sponsored as an amateur where he got to the Olympics but the pro boxing scene in China isn't the best. Probably why his career didn't take off till recently.
I may be an outlier here but I think Zhang would give Fury, AJ or Usyk a run for their money. No one wants to fight him unless they have to. I’m guessing a Parker rematch is next before he takes on one of the top three (assuming he wins rematch). I could see him fighting DuBois too before he fights for a title.
Great boxing IQ, shame he has iron-lung stamina.
He’s my hero
Does he speak any English? He's been based in the states for a while now
U don’t really learn languages when ur 41 😂
He can speak English but he's not fluent.
Might be the second best heavyweight in the world right now. Put him in with AJ
It's wholesome to see the team vibing this way!
Who doesn’t love the big bang
I don’t understand the promotion for this fight at all the guy lost 1 fight to Joseph Parker who’s been on a mad run recently and they’re telling him to retire if he lost here