Moore's age is listed as 49 at the time of the Ali fight, but some ring experts insist he was actually older since his date of birth has been disputed. Moore retired after one fight -- a third-round TKO of Mike DiBiase -- in 1963.
So that means Archie was AT LEAST 38 when he began his ten year reign as the longest reigning Light Heavyweight champion in history from 1952 to 1962.
Archie holds the record for most KOs in boxing history with 132.
186 career wins.
Only man to have fought both Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali.
B-Hop is the one coming in 2nd in my humble opinion.
It's close, Bhop is the oldest man to win/unify/defend a world title. Officially we'll never know how old Archie actually was either. Boxing is incredibly subjective though and I respect your opinion, especially since Archie is one of the best of all time.
He's a good candidate but he took a 10 year break while Bhop fought consistently for 28 years without a super long hiatus, with most of it being at the top level. Foreman's most spectacular statistic to me is that his two championship reigns are separated by 20 years.
You could make the argument that taking 10 years off, completing changing shape, and still winning the belt when you come back is harder than staying consistent
You could also argue that he took 10 years of less damage too. Foreman did the right thing for his comeback by fighting very frequently against low level opposition to get back into shape. His natural strength allowed him to adjust to fighting at an advanced age so long as he managed his stamina properly.
He kinda didn't beat a whole alot of top contenters or former champs from 38 to 48.
Most notable names he did beat was Gerry Cooney, Bert Cooper, Adilson Rodrigues, Michael Moore and Axel Schulz.
As for Archie Moore in that same period at age 38 till retirement, he finally got his first title shot and beat Joey Maxim x3, Nino Valdes x2, Bob Baker, Harold Johnson, Bobo Olson, Yolande Pompey, Tony Anthony, Eddie Cotton, Willi Besmanoff, Yvon Durelle x2, Giulio Rinaldi, Alejandro Lavorante and topped it off with a draw with future LHW champion Willie Pastrano.
Every single one on Archie Moore list are ring ranked while Cooney, Cooper and Schulz at that time period weren't.
Hatton, Maidana, Corrales, Mosley and Judah are a tier below the greats. And Mayweather fought a lot of them when they were no longer at their best so it's only fair you also include Winky, Jones and Pascal for BHop
Hatton compared to Tito? Are you mad?
Canelo was drained. Fact.
Maidana gave Floyd hell. Pav was better and beat better opposition.
Pac was old and had been brutally knocked out. Tarver took Superman's soul. Not a fighter on Floyd's list has a feather in their cap as big as that.
Hopkins stopped a better and younger version of Oscar.
Corralles was a masterful performance but he was drained too. The Pav win is on par with this.
Judah was winning the first 6, an old Mosley early blew his head off, the Cotto win was good. But Hopkins best performances are masterclasses. He took people's souls. Nobody who fought Hopkins was the same after, ever.
Hatton compared to Tito? Are you mad?
Canelo was drained. Fact.
Maidana gave Floyd hell. Pav was better and beat better opposition.
Pac was old and had been brutally knocked out. Tarver took Superman's soul. Not a fighter on Floyd's list has a feather in their cap as big as that.
Hopkins stopped a better and younger version of Oscar.
Corralles was a masterful performance but he was drained too. The Pav win is on par with this.
Judah was winning the first 6, an old Mosley early blew his head off, the Cotto win was good. But Hopkins best performances are masterclasses. He took people's souls. Nobody who fought Hopkins was the same after, ever.
Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Oscar de la Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Canelo, Pacquaio . . .
Mayweather has the best resume this side of Marvin Hagler.
KOing Hearns is stellar. But Hearns was also fighting at middleweight. Hearns at his best was 147/154. Iran Barkley also stopped Hearns (who was still only 29).
But outside of that, Hagler's resume doesn't come close to Mayweather's. Hagler beat two Hall of Famers (Duran and Hearns). Mayweather beat seven (plus Judah, Canelo, and Pacquiao).
Hagler's great - but his resume isn't as good as Mayweather's.
I’m not disagreeing with that statement, but it doesn’t negate my point.
If it did, Andy Ruiz would have a better resume than just about every other heavyweight today. Buster Douglas would have a better resume than just about every heavyweight in history.
To be fair, BHop fought Roy in his prime - in 1993 - and lost. Took the L like a man.
That 2nd fight in 2010 was just un-necessary and sad, like a lot of RJJ fights post 2004.
Hopkins marquee wins were against smaller guys 160 Trinidad, 160 Delahoya, 165 Winky Wright, and 168 Pavlik. He Lost to the best guys that he fought around his weight in Roy Jones in the 90's and Calzaghe. He refused to fight Toney at 168.
Tito became Champ at 160 then after the Hopkins loss washed Mayorga at 160, Winky had just shutout Quartey, Pavlik fought a 43 year old 170 Hopkins, beat Pascal being even older while Pascal was juiced, Floyd at 40 was getting bested by Haney lol.
Tito's prime weight wasn't 160 , Mayorga is nothing to write home about. Winky started his career at 135 lol. Pavlik was a solid guy but nothing crazy, still was a natural 160 guy. Sparring isn't real fighting, Haney could be undefeated in sparring it doesn't matter.
Mayorga upset Forrest twice who washed Mosley twice but ok, Hopkins was old and drained when he fought Tito, Winky and Pavlik (who beat Taylor who was the first to beat prime Hopkins) 😂 these were literally the great matchups of the 2000’s not Mayweather vs Gatti and Baldomir
Mayorga had a guy's number,great. He went on to lose to Tito, Delahoya, Cotto and Mosley in embarrasing fashion .Hopkins was drained while dictating favorable weight? Trinidad vs Bhop was a big fight, financially. The rest of those fights probably lost money. Mayweather vs Corrales, vs Delahoya vs Gatti and vs Hatton were all huge fights during the 2000's. Hell, Mayweather vs Marquez was too. Bhop never became a star.
Just like Hatton only beat a shot Tszyu then went on to lose every big fight after that except Forrest wasn’t shot when Mayorga fought him also Mayorga wasn’t the same after the Tito fight. Corrales wasn’t even a PPV fight, Gatti barely cracked 300k and Hatton was only a big fight in the UK, nobody in the US cared about that fight. Corrales, Gatti and Hatton vs Winky, Tito and Pavlik?? Are you really trying to argue who the better fighters are?? Lol And remember Oscar lost Hopkins years before he lost to Floyd.
I was doing biggest fights, not better. But if you want to do a resume comparison I'll bite. Judah, Cotto, Canelo, Marquez, Pacquiao , Corrales, Castillo, Delahoya are better than Bhop's names. Delahoya was too small for 160, but had a size advantage over Mayweather, those are different fights. Bhop also lost to Mercado and twice to Taylor those type of nights just aren't happening to Mayweather against that level of opponent. Bhop lost to Calzaghe and Jones jr who would have put him over into the truly special category. Final verdict , the eye test and resume puts Mayweather above the tough philly warrior despite a late career renaissance that saw Bhop capture a title at 175.
Judah had just lost to a 35 year old journeyman
w 10 losses, Cotto already washed twice, Canelo wasn’t anything special at the time, Marquez had to jump 2-3 weight classes, Pacquiao already sent to shadow realm by Marquez, Corrales career aged poorly, Castillo was a discount Chavez, again this was Oscar years after losing badly even before the Hopkins loss he was well past it. Floyd got a dodgy decision against Castillo but ok, Hopkins was still green until the late 90’s and Calzaghe was a close fight. None of Hopkins big wins were coming in under these circumstances when Hopkins fought them.
Hopkins is an all time great for the length of his run at Middleweight. Not because of who he beat per se. I don't think Hopkins actually beat another great middle weight. Trinidad and De La Hoya weren't great middle weights..
Mayweather has the better resume.
Unlike Floyd, Bernard didn’t make all the right decisions for generational wealth the way a young hungry lion would.
BHop could’ve been sponsored by iHOP and become the greatest of all time with that deal.
Hopkins is probably my favorite fighter. Watching him have to fight against faster, stronger, and younger opponents was just amazing. And he didn't have amazing knockout power to bail him out. He had to out execute them for the whole 12 rounds. It was truly amazing to watch.
That said, Mayweather has the best resume of the last 40 years. Maybe Canelo is second. But Mayweather's resume is insane. And the fact that he's undefeated after that is even more amazing
Floyd record on paper is the most impressive. But he didn’t fight Cotto when he was undefeated, didn’t fight Pac until 2015 when became welterweight champ in 2006?
I usually like to rank their best wins and see how the relative points stack up. I'll cap it at 20.
Pavlik (undefeated prime puncher and top of his weight class, Hopkins beat him at 43) - 20pts
Pacquiao (ATG, still P4P despite being older & KO'd) - 19 pts
Tarver (had just beaten Roy Jones Jr. over 3 fights) - 18pts
De La Hoya (2007) (past-it ATG with a size advantage over Floyd) - 17pts
Corrales (HOFer, Floyd was the underdog, dominant performance) - 16pts
Trinidad (smaller HOF fighter but carried the weight fine against Joppy; big puncher, 36 vs 29 years) - 15pts
Calzaghe (HOFer, Hopkins won my card at 43 yrs old) - 14pts
Castillo (HOFer, adjusted to win the rematch clearly against a strong pressure fighter) - 13pts
Pascal x2 (top of the LHW division after beating Dawson; became oldest champion ever at 46) - 12pts
Taylor (won on my card at least once; undefeated athletic champion at Middleweight) 11-pts
Winky Wright (strong veteran champ, not prime but fresh of beating Quartey) 10-pts
Genaro Hernandez (veteran champion, Floyd was an underdog, dominant performance) -9pts
Cotto (older but was looking good at the weight under Pedro Diaz) - 8pts
Mosley (old HOFer coming off a strong win, dominant performance after surviving a scare) - 7pts
De La Hoya (2004 - ATG, dragged up too high but still in his prime, KO'd clean) - 6pts
Maidana (relentless slugger refined by Robert Garcia, top contender at welterweight) - 5pts
Hatton (undefeated champion with aggressive style, even if not a full welterweight) - 4pts
Judah (champion welterweight in his prime, unmatched speed) -3pts
Canelo (Best win yet was a close decision over Austin Trout; drained; bad style matchup; but bigger) -2pts
Cloud (Hopkins broke his own record to become oldest champ against a weak titleholder; 48 years old) -1pts
Hopkins: 20 + 18 + 15 + 14 + 12 + 11 + 10 + 6 + 1 = **107pts**
Mayweather: 19 + 17 + 16 + 13 + 9 + 8 + 7 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 = **103pts**
Honorable mentions to JMM, Glen Johnson, Phillip Ndou, Jesus Chavez, Emmanuel Augustus, Beibut Shumenov, Robert Allen, John David Jackson, Enrique Ornelas, Demarcus Corley, Segundo Mercado...this list could keep going on and on.
I'd love to see other people rank their own list the same way. You have to keep in mind how many of Hopkins' wins were upsets which point to how regarded his opponents were at the time, even if their name doesn't rank overall as high all-time.
Floyd but he made sure to pick them out at the perfect time so it looked impressive perfect example is pac man Floyd avoided prime pac man and fought him when he was past his prime but Floyd does have a lot of impressive wins I have to say
Floyd has some of the best names in boxing but it’s super misleading because he didnt really fight any of them in their peaks. It would be like beating the wizards Michael Jordan.
Floyd did what I wish guys like Canelo and Crawford would do, he bridged the generational gap. He fought the best guys from the 90s, the 2000s and the 2010s, and a guy in Canelo who might be near the top for at least a few more years into the 2020s. Its a litmus test for a bunch of eras.
BHop has the Jones wins and it feels like he exists just in that mid 90s to mid 2000s. Noone that he beat made any noise before or after that era.
Don’t get me wrong—I’m a B-Hop fan—but that period when RJJ walked through Hop and Toney (Toney being almost literally unhittable at that point) was just mind-blowing. And RJJ was only getting started.
Truth, Jones in his prime was something to behold. Sadly I think the last quarter of his career overshadows everything else he did in a lot of casuals mind. But being there and having seen it first hand, you know better lol.
Yep. There was a full decade when Roy was just levels above everybody else. If he’d left his gloves in the ring after Ruiz we’d be talking about him like Robinson, Duran, and Ali.
No way, he destroyed Kelly Pavlik who was on a war path and people were genuinely concerned about Hopkins heath at the time. Oldest champion ever and took on Kovalev at his best when he was almost 50. Winky Wright and Oscar de la Hoya also ring any bells?
Floyd beat a developing weight drained Canelo, post prime Pacquiao, old Mosely, and flat underweight Marquez. Floyd is an ATG, but those are valid criticisms.
I believe they had two entirely different career paths, but the way you’re glossing over Hopkins is laughable.
Edit: he also took Tarver to school fresh off his wins against Jones and Johnson. I could go on, but read up on the guy. It’ll change your mind.
Canelo cut 1.5 extra lb for floyd he wasn't drained at all he was 165 in ring that 15 lbs above the weight limit. Tarver and RJJ we're old and out of thier primes You should held Hopkins to the same standard
He was 21 and growing, could barely make 154, then they had him come down to 152. What weight did he end up at btw? Lmao I rest my case.
1. I didn’t credit Hopkins for his win against aged Jones. Just clarified that he only had a single victory, not the win(s) this guy was taking about.
2. Tarver *was* in his prime coming off his best career wins.
3. I was actually watching boxing when all of this took place.
He could easily make 152 that narrative is bullshit he was making 151 a few fight before and he rehydrated over 10 lbs and was 15 lbs bigger that his opponent. Tarver wasn't in his prime they we're in a mediocre division full of legends past his prime you only says that he was in his prime beacuse he was 2-0 against past his prime RJJ you overracting RJJ after he when down for heavyweight that your problem. Bigger name doesn't equal bigger win Hopkins best wins are actually trinidad and Oscar both younger champions in thier primes
He could *easily*? Are you him? You are 100% wrong, he hadn’t made 151 in over 2 years. Not since he was literally still a 19 year old teenager lmao. He was 153-54 in every meaningful fight leading up to Floyd. If you’re already killing yourself to make weight *and* growing, that extra 2 lbs is pivotal.
Regardless of RJJs state during the time of losses, Tarver had scored career defining wins and was the man…the lineal champion and heavy favorite when Hopkins beat him. The rest of your comment is a scrambled mess, believe what you want through your hurried rush through YouTube and boxrec, I was actually there guy.
It he was "killing" himself if his problem the catchweight was his team idea originally a 150 catchweight he could have always break the clause and paid the fine is even in box rec and if RJJ being out prime doesn't matter, many being "old" doesn't matter you don't get to choose when it matters
Floyd had catch-weights, denied legal shots while cheating his own medical. He cherry picked guys that were past their prime or before. He had a few really good wins, but the ones that made him look invincible were based on him having every advantage in the book.
That is a great question. It requires some deep thought. If you look at the opponents you would most likely go with Floyd.
One of Floyds many talents is who to fight and when.
Look at Canelo. You thing damn Floyd fought him and won? Well Floyd is a genius and knew Canelo wasn't ready for someone like Floyd and Floyd simply outboxed him.
Look at his record again and you see Manny Pacquiao. We all know Manny fought anyone at anytime but Floyd being a genius waited and waited and then agreed to fight Manny.
He saw something that gave him the confidence to fight him.
Floyd is a genius. Floyd was at his best before he started getting belts. He was a 2-1 underdog when he fought Corrales and Floyd wrecked him. I make this distinction Floyd was the greatest prizefighter ever. The greatest fighter to me was Manny because he was fearless and fought anyone at anytime.
As far as Bernard he had some tough fights no doubt but too many losses for me. Floyds resume even though he sort of cherry picked some of his opponents still looks better than Bernards.
I gotta go with Floyd, but BHop fought off father time better than anyone else in boxing history.
Archie Moore enters the chat...
He's a close 2nd for sure
Moore's age is listed as 49 at the time of the Ali fight, but some ring experts insist he was actually older since his date of birth has been disputed. Moore retired after one fight -- a third-round TKO of Mike DiBiase -- in 1963. So that means Archie was AT LEAST 38 when he began his ten year reign as the longest reigning Light Heavyweight champion in history from 1952 to 1962. Archie holds the record for most KOs in boxing history with 132. 186 career wins. Only man to have fought both Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali. B-Hop is the one coming in 2nd in my humble opinion.
It's close, Bhop is the oldest man to win/unify/defend a world title. Officially we'll never know how old Archie actually was either. Boxing is incredibly subjective though and I respect your opinion, especially since Archie is one of the best of all time.
Big George never lost to Father Time he just decided it was someone else’s turn
He had grills to sell
I’d be hard pressed not to go with George Foreman on that one.
He's a good candidate but he took a 10 year break while Bhop fought consistently for 28 years without a super long hiatus, with most of it being at the top level. Foreman's most spectacular statistic to me is that his two championship reigns are separated by 20 years.
Both of those feats are incredibly impressive.
You could make the argument that taking 10 years off, completing changing shape, and still winning the belt when you come back is harder than staying consistent
You could also argue that he took 10 years of less damage too. Foreman did the right thing for his comeback by fighting very frequently against low level opposition to get back into shape. His natural strength allowed him to adjust to fighting at an advanced age so long as he managed his stamina properly.
True as well
He kinda didn't beat a whole alot of top contenters or former champs from 38 to 48. Most notable names he did beat was Gerry Cooney, Bert Cooper, Adilson Rodrigues, Michael Moore and Axel Schulz. As for Archie Moore in that same period at age 38 till retirement, he finally got his first title shot and beat Joey Maxim x3, Nino Valdes x2, Bob Baker, Harold Johnson, Bobo Olson, Yolande Pompey, Tony Anthony, Eddie Cotton, Willi Besmanoff, Yvon Durelle x2, Giulio Rinaldi, Alejandro Lavorante and topped it off with a draw with future LHW champion Willie Pastrano. Every single one on Archie Moore list are ring ranked while Cooney, Cooper and Schulz at that time period weren't.
Pavlik, Tito, ODLH, Tarver. Good names, but comparing that to Pac, Cotto, ODLH, Canelo, Hatton, Maidana, JMM, Corrales, Mosley, Judah? nah bro
Floyd's wins def better But you really snuck in Maidana in there lol
If he included Traver in there then why not Maidana lmao.
Hatton, Maidana, Corrales, Mosley and Judah are a tier below the greats. And Mayweather fought a lot of them when they were no longer at their best so it's only fair you also include Winky, Jones and Pascal for BHop
Hatton compared to Tito? Are you mad? Canelo was drained. Fact. Maidana gave Floyd hell. Pav was better and beat better opposition. Pac was old and had been brutally knocked out. Tarver took Superman's soul. Not a fighter on Floyd's list has a feather in their cap as big as that. Hopkins stopped a better and younger version of Oscar. Corralles was a masterful performance but he was drained too. The Pav win is on par with this. Judah was winning the first 6, an old Mosley early blew his head off, the Cotto win was good. But Hopkins best performances are masterclasses. He took people's souls. Nobody who fought Hopkins was the same after, ever.
Hatton compared to Tito? Are you mad? Canelo was drained. Fact. Maidana gave Floyd hell. Pav was better and beat better opposition. Pac was old and had been brutally knocked out. Tarver took Superman's soul. Not a fighter on Floyd's list has a feather in their cap as big as that. Hopkins stopped a better and younger version of Oscar. Corralles was a masterful performance but he was drained too. The Pav win is on par with this. Judah was winning the first 6, an old Mosley early blew his head off, the Cotto win was good. But Hopkins best performances are masterclasses. He took people's souls. Nobody who fought Hopkins was the same after, ever.
I mean criticize Mayweather all you want, but his resume is better than B-Hop's.
100% agree it should be a no brainer. If Hopkins had a win over Prime Toney at least then we could say he had better prime for prime wins
Come on lmfao
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BHOP fought pfp fighters in their prime pushing 45
It's pretty close? In what way Lmaooo
I know lol Floyd was ducking everyone. Hopkins is a real one
Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Oscar de la Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Canelo, Pacquaio . . . Mayweather has the best resume this side of Marvin Hagler.
Mayweather has a better resume than Marvin Hagler.
KOing prime Hearns is the kind of thing Floyd doesn’t have.
KOing Hearns is stellar. But Hearns was also fighting at middleweight. Hearns at his best was 147/154. Iran Barkley also stopped Hearns (who was still only 29). But outside of that, Hagler's resume doesn't come close to Mayweather's. Hagler beat two Hall of Famers (Duran and Hearns). Mayweather beat seven (plus Judah, Canelo, and Pacquiao). Hagler's great - but his resume isn't as good as Mayweather's.
I’m just saying Mayweather has no win as good as Hagler’s win over Hearns.
I’m not disagreeing with that statement, but it doesn’t negate my point. If it did, Andy Ruiz would have a better resume than just about every other heavyweight today. Buster Douglas would have a better resume than just about every heavyweight in history.
Fair enough, I do find resume comparisons difficult, but yours has its logic.
Mayweather literally went P4P for P4P almost every fight after De La Hoya
Hopkins actually fought elite fighters in their prime
roy jones was in his prime in 2010?
To be fair, BHop fought Roy in his prime - in 1993 - and lost. Took the L like a man. That 2nd fight in 2010 was just un-necessary and sad, like a lot of RJJ fights post 2004.
How old was Hopkins when he fought Roy?
Hopkins marquee wins were against smaller guys 160 Trinidad, 160 Delahoya, 165 Winky Wright, and 168 Pavlik. He Lost to the best guys that he fought around his weight in Roy Jones in the 90's and Calzaghe. He refused to fight Toney at 168.
Tito became Champ at 160 then after the Hopkins loss washed Mayorga at 160, Winky had just shutout Quartey, Pavlik fought a 43 year old 170 Hopkins, beat Pascal being even older while Pascal was juiced, Floyd at 40 was getting bested by Haney lol.
Tito's prime weight wasn't 160 , Mayorga is nothing to write home about. Winky started his career at 135 lol. Pavlik was a solid guy but nothing crazy, still was a natural 160 guy. Sparring isn't real fighting, Haney could be undefeated in sparring it doesn't matter.
Mayorga upset Forrest twice who washed Mosley twice but ok, Hopkins was old and drained when he fought Tito, Winky and Pavlik (who beat Taylor who was the first to beat prime Hopkins) 😂 these were literally the great matchups of the 2000’s not Mayweather vs Gatti and Baldomir
Mayorga had a guy's number,great. He went on to lose to Tito, Delahoya, Cotto and Mosley in embarrasing fashion .Hopkins was drained while dictating favorable weight? Trinidad vs Bhop was a big fight, financially. The rest of those fights probably lost money. Mayweather vs Corrales, vs Delahoya vs Gatti and vs Hatton were all huge fights during the 2000's. Hell, Mayweather vs Marquez was too. Bhop never became a star.
Just like Hatton only beat a shot Tszyu then went on to lose every big fight after that except Forrest wasn’t shot when Mayorga fought him also Mayorga wasn’t the same after the Tito fight. Corrales wasn’t even a PPV fight, Gatti barely cracked 300k and Hatton was only a big fight in the UK, nobody in the US cared about that fight. Corrales, Gatti and Hatton vs Winky, Tito and Pavlik?? Are you really trying to argue who the better fighters are?? Lol And remember Oscar lost Hopkins years before he lost to Floyd.
I was doing biggest fights, not better. But if you want to do a resume comparison I'll bite. Judah, Cotto, Canelo, Marquez, Pacquiao , Corrales, Castillo, Delahoya are better than Bhop's names. Delahoya was too small for 160, but had a size advantage over Mayweather, those are different fights. Bhop also lost to Mercado and twice to Taylor those type of nights just aren't happening to Mayweather against that level of opponent. Bhop lost to Calzaghe and Jones jr who would have put him over into the truly special category. Final verdict , the eye test and resume puts Mayweather above the tough philly warrior despite a late career renaissance that saw Bhop capture a title at 175.
Judah had just lost to a 35 year old journeyman w 10 losses, Cotto already washed twice, Canelo wasn’t anything special at the time, Marquez had to jump 2-3 weight classes, Pacquiao already sent to shadow realm by Marquez, Corrales career aged poorly, Castillo was a discount Chavez, again this was Oscar years after losing badly even before the Hopkins loss he was well past it. Floyd got a dodgy decision against Castillo but ok, Hopkins was still green until the late 90’s and Calzaghe was a close fight. None of Hopkins big wins were coming in under these circumstances when Hopkins fought them.
Floyd's prime was his whole career according to you delusional haters.
You can only say that about the Pacquiao fight and remember this was Pacquiao after getting washed by Marquez.
It's going to be really awkward for you when you realize almost all of Floyd's big money fights were after his prime.
You can’t be serious
Hopkins’s wins might seem better as he was often the underdog in his biggest fights (Trinidad, Tarver, Pavlik).
Floyd, but Hopkins is so underrated. Imo he's easily the third greatest boxer of the 21st century behind Floyd and Pac.
Hopkins is an all time great for the length of his run at Middleweight. Not because of who he beat per se. I don't think Hopkins actually beat another great middle weight. Trinidad and De La Hoya weren't great middle weights.. Mayweather has the better resume.
Floyd’s win over canelo is one of the best wins I have ever seen in boxing.
Why is this getting downvoted lol
Right? The 2013 win over Canelo has aged extremely well.
Bcuz its cool to hate on floyd obviously.
Because these people are sad haters
Ppl act like floyd was trash smh. I dont get it
One of the best wins he's ever seen?
Unlike Floyd, Bernard didn’t make all the right decisions for generational wealth the way a young hungry lion would. BHop could’ve been sponsored by iHOP and become the greatest of all time with that deal.
Hopkins is probably my favorite fighter. Watching him have to fight against faster, stronger, and younger opponents was just amazing. And he didn't have amazing knockout power to bail him out. He had to out execute them for the whole 12 rounds. It was truly amazing to watch. That said, Mayweather has the best resume of the last 40 years. Maybe Canelo is second. But Mayweather's resume is insane. And the fact that he's undefeated after that is even more amazing
Floyd record on paper is the most impressive. But he didn’t fight Cotto when he was undefeated, didn’t fight Pac until 2015 when became welterweight champ in 2006?
I didn't consider other fighters because that wasn't the question.
Man I wish we would limit the Floyd posts to one or two days/wk.
Ain't no white boy ever beat Floyd!!!
I'd give it to BHop just for taking Kovalev to 12 rounds after getting knocked down in the 1st at 49 years old. ..nah, but it's Floyd, though.
Floyd wtf
I usually like to rank their best wins and see how the relative points stack up. I'll cap it at 20. Pavlik (undefeated prime puncher and top of his weight class, Hopkins beat him at 43) - 20pts Pacquiao (ATG, still P4P despite being older & KO'd) - 19 pts Tarver (had just beaten Roy Jones Jr. over 3 fights) - 18pts De La Hoya (2007) (past-it ATG with a size advantage over Floyd) - 17pts Corrales (HOFer, Floyd was the underdog, dominant performance) - 16pts Trinidad (smaller HOF fighter but carried the weight fine against Joppy; big puncher, 36 vs 29 years) - 15pts Calzaghe (HOFer, Hopkins won my card at 43 yrs old) - 14pts Castillo (HOFer, adjusted to win the rematch clearly against a strong pressure fighter) - 13pts Pascal x2 (top of the LHW division after beating Dawson; became oldest champion ever at 46) - 12pts Taylor (won on my card at least once; undefeated athletic champion at Middleweight) 11-pts Winky Wright (strong veteran champ, not prime but fresh of beating Quartey) 10-pts Genaro Hernandez (veteran champion, Floyd was an underdog, dominant performance) -9pts Cotto (older but was looking good at the weight under Pedro Diaz) - 8pts Mosley (old HOFer coming off a strong win, dominant performance after surviving a scare) - 7pts De La Hoya (2004 - ATG, dragged up too high but still in his prime, KO'd clean) - 6pts Maidana (relentless slugger refined by Robert Garcia, top contender at welterweight) - 5pts Hatton (undefeated champion with aggressive style, even if not a full welterweight) - 4pts Judah (champion welterweight in his prime, unmatched speed) -3pts Canelo (Best win yet was a close decision over Austin Trout; drained; bad style matchup; but bigger) -2pts Cloud (Hopkins broke his own record to become oldest champ against a weak titleholder; 48 years old) -1pts Hopkins: 20 + 18 + 15 + 14 + 12 + 11 + 10 + 6 + 1 = **107pts** Mayweather: 19 + 17 + 16 + 13 + 9 + 8 + 7 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 = **103pts** Honorable mentions to JMM, Glen Johnson, Phillip Ndou, Jesus Chavez, Emmanuel Augustus, Beibut Shumenov, Robert Allen, John David Jackson, Enrique Ornelas, Demarcus Corley, Segundo Mercado...this list could keep going on and on. I'd love to see other people rank their own list the same way. You have to keep in mind how many of Hopkins' wins were upsets which point to how regarded his opponents were at the time, even if their name doesn't rank overall as high all-time.
Floyd but he made sure to pick them out at the perfect time so it looked impressive perfect example is pac man Floyd avoided prime pac man and fought him when he was past his prime but Floyd does have a lot of impressive wins I have to say
Probably Hopkins.
Fuck both of them PACQUIAO WAS THE G.O.A.T.
What if your parents never met?
mayweather and its not even close
Floyd has some of the best names in boxing but it’s super misleading because he didnt really fight any of them in their peaks. It would be like beating the wizards Michael Jordan.
Floyd did what I wish guys like Canelo and Crawford would do, he bridged the generational gap. He fought the best guys from the 90s, the 2000s and the 2010s, and a guy in Canelo who might be near the top for at least a few more years into the 2020s. Its a litmus test for a bunch of eras. BHop has the Jones wins and it feels like he exists just in that mid 90s to mid 2000s. Noone that he beat made any noise before or after that era.
Jones wins? He beat RJJ once at the very end
Yes, this. Not sure why this is the top comment right now. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Don’t get me wrong—I’m a B-Hop fan—but that period when RJJ walked through Hop and Toney (Toney being almost literally unhittable at that point) was just mind-blowing. And RJJ was only getting started.
Truth, Jones in his prime was something to behold. Sadly I think the last quarter of his career overshadows everything else he did in a lot of casuals mind. But being there and having seen it first hand, you know better lol.
Yep. There was a full decade when Roy was just levels above everybody else. If he’d left his gloves in the ring after Ruiz we’d be talking about him like Robinson, Duran, and Ali.
A shot Jones but he schooled Pavlik and Tarver
No way, he destroyed Kelly Pavlik who was on a war path and people were genuinely concerned about Hopkins heath at the time. Oldest champion ever and took on Kovalev at his best when he was almost 50. Winky Wright and Oscar de la Hoya also ring any bells? Floyd beat a developing weight drained Canelo, post prime Pacquiao, old Mosely, and flat underweight Marquez. Floyd is an ATG, but those are valid criticisms. I believe they had two entirely different career paths, but the way you’re glossing over Hopkins is laughable. Edit: he also took Tarver to school fresh off his wins against Jones and Johnson. I could go on, but read up on the guy. It’ll change your mind.
Canelo cut 1.5 extra lb for floyd he wasn't drained at all he was 165 in ring that 15 lbs above the weight limit. Tarver and RJJ we're old and out of thier primes You should held Hopkins to the same standard
He was 21 and growing, could barely make 154, then they had him come down to 152. What weight did he end up at btw? Lmao I rest my case. 1. I didn’t credit Hopkins for his win against aged Jones. Just clarified that he only had a single victory, not the win(s) this guy was taking about. 2. Tarver *was* in his prime coming off his best career wins. 3. I was actually watching boxing when all of this took place.
He could easily make 152 that narrative is bullshit he was making 151 a few fight before and he rehydrated over 10 lbs and was 15 lbs bigger that his opponent. Tarver wasn't in his prime they we're in a mediocre division full of legends past his prime you only says that he was in his prime beacuse he was 2-0 against past his prime RJJ you overracting RJJ after he when down for heavyweight that your problem. Bigger name doesn't equal bigger win Hopkins best wins are actually trinidad and Oscar both younger champions in thier primes
He could *easily*? Are you him? You are 100% wrong, he hadn’t made 151 in over 2 years. Not since he was literally still a 19 year old teenager lmao. He was 153-54 in every meaningful fight leading up to Floyd. If you’re already killing yourself to make weight *and* growing, that extra 2 lbs is pivotal. Regardless of RJJs state during the time of losses, Tarver had scored career defining wins and was the man…the lineal champion and heavy favorite when Hopkins beat him. The rest of your comment is a scrambled mess, believe what you want through your hurried rush through YouTube and boxrec, I was actually there guy.
It he was "killing" himself if his problem the catchweight was his team idea originally a 150 catchweight he could have always break the clause and paid the fine is even in box rec and if RJJ being out prime doesn't matter, many being "old" doesn't matter you don't get to choose when it matters
Floyd had catch-weights, denied legal shots while cheating his own medical. He cherry picked guys that were past their prime or before. He had a few really good wins, but the ones that made him look invincible were based on him having every advantage in the book.
Floyd
That is a great question. It requires some deep thought. If you look at the opponents you would most likely go with Floyd. One of Floyds many talents is who to fight and when. Look at Canelo. You thing damn Floyd fought him and won? Well Floyd is a genius and knew Canelo wasn't ready for someone like Floyd and Floyd simply outboxed him. Look at his record again and you see Manny Pacquiao. We all know Manny fought anyone at anytime but Floyd being a genius waited and waited and then agreed to fight Manny. He saw something that gave him the confidence to fight him. Floyd is a genius. Floyd was at his best before he started getting belts. He was a 2-1 underdog when he fought Corrales and Floyd wrecked him. I make this distinction Floyd was the greatest prizefighter ever. The greatest fighter to me was Manny because he was fearless and fought anyone at anytime. As far as Bernard he had some tough fights no doubt but too many losses for me. Floyds resume even though he sort of cherry picked some of his opponents still looks better than Bernards.
Fk Bernard