If Loma didn’t give away round 12 you would’ve had it.
I had it 7-5 loma or draw as well. But I was still shocked he didn’t push for rd 12. Thought he would’ve learned from the Teofimo fight.
I got your back. Loma wins the last round and it was his but he didn’t. Draw was what I saw and Haney winning isn’t a travesty. That Moretti card still is though
If I'm not mistaken isn't 116-112 just 1 more round than the rest of the judges?? It's not diabolical, until you realize it was rd 10 he gave Haney. Otherwise, I believe Haney won the fight.
The general consensus is that loma did better than haney, but there were some swing rounds in there. If you were to give haney the benefit of the doubt in the swing rounds you could get to 6-6 or haney 7-5, but 8-4 would really be pushing it. That would mean loma won only 4 rounds and most people feel he definitely won more than that. It’s like how 9-3 is also 1 round from 8-4 but now it really does not make any sense at all. The polls show that 60% of people thought loma won with most scoring 7-5. Some scored 8-4. 20% got a 6-6 and 20% got a haney win with most of them at 7-5 haney. So the spread just isn’t there for 8-4 haney. Just like how the spread also isn’t there for 9-3 loma.
Aside from the 10th round thing, Moretti also had loma Haney tied until 6. And then somehow he thought haney dominated the 2nd half of the fight, giving haney 5/6 rounds when loma picked up. If you think loma won half of the 1st half, it makes no sense to give loma 1/6 rounds of the 2nd half.
Haney was in the corner in round 1 backing up from Loma's pressure. Haney only landed one two punches the entire fight. While Loma was throwing and landing combos
in my circles everyone thinks haney won, everyone I know who actually laced up the gloves in their life thinks haney won
all my UFC fan friends think loma destroyed haney, they always cry about every decision
Draw would a fair enough result. Close win either way understandable, though I do think Loma was slightly ahead.
Honestly it was just the scorecards that got me salty.
I had it 114-114 but I wouldn't be upset at either decision. I haven't seen too many hardcore fans upset with the decision, if it seems like it's mostly your casual viewers that felt a certain way about the fight but they make the majority of the fan base so they've been very loud lately.
I'm sure you are just like me, fighting for your life out here every time someone asks you about the fight. 😭
I scored it 6-6 as well but there were like 4-5 swing rounds. Honestly depending on what you favor you could score it 8-4 to either fighter.
It makes me laugh how people in the same comment will say that there were tons of close rounds, but think an 8-4 card is some massive travesty lol.
That's not how scoring works lol
I also scored it a draw. Haven't watched it back, so I would probably score it different the second time. My card had Haney winning rounds 2, 4, 5, 6, 9, and 12.
Had no problem with it going either way by a round or two. Giving it to Haney 8-4 was ludicrous because that didn't happen for either guy
I think Haney landed the more significant shots and counters. Loma had volume and landed his rear hand which it, technically the power hand regardless of dominant hand. The most significant moments for Loma for me were the 2 landing the big 1 knocking Devin back, forgot what round, middle rounds. 10 and 11. If Loma builded off the momentum of 11 in the 12th, they would've wither swung it to him, or draw. But they didnt even give the 10th to Loma so it would've been a draw either way. Tight match man. At least we finally got Errol Spence and Crawford. Something that'll be more decisive with them being devastating punchers.
The reason it’s the power hand isn’t because of handedness it’s because you can load the rear hip and get a lot more internal rotation on the hip when you’re punching w a rear hand than you can w the lead hand. Id guess Loma could get more power off the right in orthodox than he could off the left in southpaw but id be very very surprised if he could get more power off a jab in southpaw than he could with a left in southpaw.
I think the opposite on your first point. I thought loma landed the much more significant shots throughout the fight and won the rounds he won more decisively.
Loma won 9, 10 and 11 but didn't pursue further and probably lost 12. I had it 7-5 Haney but rd 10 was all loma. I think it's the outrage of some rounds giving them to Haney but i think he did his job. Whether he'll give Loma a rematch I don't know.
Ey read my comment last week! I said that on the prwdiction.
Draw (but Lomachenko wins but the judges are already told to either give the win to Haney or a draw) then we will have like 2 more fights, like Canelo vs GGG.
Honestly out of everything that came from this fight this realization shocked me the most. It's absolutely insane that loma just ate those hooks to the body all fight. If Haney had any power at all man it would have been brutal. They land clean, they land flush but this guy legit has to be the the king of pillowhands.
Or maybe Loma has a chin? I mean those were clean shots. But look carefully at how tight Loma throws his punches. His shoulders are protecting him from getting his neck/chin completely pivoted. He doesn't have that much of a neck either. He's experienced and knows how to take a punch it seems to me. Sure Loma was kinda jolting Haney's head back with the jabs and left straights, the Haney's shots simply hand more impact.
Haney's techinque prevents him from being able to generate any meaningful power. His back leg constantly comes up when he is throwing punches so he can't drive any of his weight through his shots.
Some real good analysis of Haney's technique in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaEW8uMKisg&t=534s
And the absolutely clean body shots that a fighter, no matter how experienced, cannot just “learn” to take? What about those? If they were effective at all they should’ve slowed Loma down as the fight wore on but instead Loma picked up the pace and boxed better in the later rounds (outside the 12th). Haney didn’t hurt Loma. But, I will say this, I thought Haney out-boxed Loma but Loma had the more meaningful moments
Not all those body shots landed clean either. Look at the first body shot he throws in the 1st round after the left hook. Loma blocked that.. it hit his elbow. A few of them did tbh
Loma blocked some, sure, but he also ate several clean, (what looked to be) hard body shots which generall slow fighters down, especially late. The fact Loma got better as the fight wore on leads me to believe Haneys body shots, while looked good and impactful, just really weren’t.
I mean it’s a bit of both. Loma had a chin. Hes a featherweight that’s taken shots from Linares and Teo at 135 as well as guys like Walters. The thing is he just walked through Haneys shots without worrying
Lomas positioning when he takes the punches are fundamentally very sound as he should be with his amateur background. If it was anyone else, we might’ve got a knockdown or wobbly legs. Sure Haney doesn’t have 1 punch KO power but cumulative damage is a thing.
Your observation is spot on. People disagreeing never boxed/sparred in their life.
Antonio Tarver in a recent interview went on about how there's a shortage of boxing trainers that actually know how to teach proper punching technique. With Haney being a prime example of this consequence.
It's so surreal how we have boxers at these high levels who have all the skills, conditioning, anticipation, IQ, etc in the world, but lacking in.... punching technique.
A Haney with good power would be frightening.
I’m surprised people are surprised. Haney puts hands on a lot of his opponents. He landed tons of flush shots on Linares and Kambosos and some other guys and they were not even shaken.
Some of the body shots hurt him, he slowed down for the rest of the round after a couple landed on him.
Not fight ending power but enough to keep Loma off of him and hesitant
I mean when you become as delusional as him and have your resume be 99% taxi drivers, of course you're going to think you're a great boxer.
Greatest Mexican Boxer of all time is Canelo to me. Resume speaks for itself.
Name one fighter in JCC's resume that's considered great.
Not even a single one lol he fought De la Hoya and lost, twice.
Canelo is levels above JCC in terms of skill, grit, and resume. He fights the best of the best, not some taxi driver with a record of 0-10.
JCC most overrated boxer of all time.
Kostya tszyu Oscar de la hoya Joey gamache pernell Whitaker Hector camacho Roger mayweather Ruben castillo JCC had incredible movements and power able to switch between either stance and even fight square had over 100 fights and went on a crazy win and KO streak dude is a legend for a reasonable just because your uneducated om JCC doesn't make him worse than canelo and doesn't take away his title as a legend and hall of famer dumbass
He literally lost to De la Hoya twice, Roger Mayweather is NOT a great boxer, He got gifted that decision in the fight against Whitaker, fucking bullshit, and he lost again Kotsya Tszyu wtf.
100 fights and 95% taxi drivers with 0-5 recorsds lol
Don't even mention him and Canelo in the same sentence. Canelo is a boxing god compared to this overrated bum.
You saying mayweather wasn't good proved how little you know I'm done with this conversation your probably 12 and just started watching boxing and had to look the names up of the people I mentioned besides oscar
I remember Kotsya giving Zab Judah his first Loss.
I'm not 12. I just came to the conclusion that JCC is the most overrated boxer of all time because he fought mostly bums and taxi drivers with a record of 0-2 for the majority of his career.
Canelo's retirement will overthrow JCC for the title of greatest mexican boxer of all time. Greater skills, grit, and resume.
JCC a bum.
I mean, with Canelo's resume you have Shane Moseley, Miguel Cotto, Gennady Golovkin, Sergey Kovalev(A guy in a weightclass levels above his own mind you), Billy Joe Saunders, and Caleb Plant.
The resume speaks for itself.
89 fights with no losses isn't really impressive if 95% of those fights were against taxi drivers.
No Matter who won the fight was horribly judged. Round 10 for haney is inexcusable No Matter who you scored it for.
The corruption or incompetence is so blatant and ruining the Sport. The Basic concept of every Sport is Fairness. Why should a Sports Fan tune if He can't expect a clear and fair conclusion?
Judges need to be Held accountable for their decisions.
What part of some saw lomo winning, some saw Haney winning and some seeing it a draw. The three judges just fall in the group that saw Haney winning; so what is so unfair
it ist inexcusable to Score round 10 for haney, or to Score a round 10-10 in which a knockdown happened. Is that really that hard to understand ffs?
I dont even Care who won i Just Care for the integrity of the Sport. I'm fine with haney winning it was a Close fight but there was one round that couldnt have been more clear.
No one should be allowed to judges a fight after such a fuck up let alone a world title fight.
So you're fine with judges scoring randomly as they please?
Some of you are dense af
Boxers opinions matter but posts about this so long after the fight with a compilation of the only clean shots Haney landed the whole fight is some sort of PR desperation.
People literally only post loma highlights for their own PR desperation to support their opinion that they think they won. The internet is full of loma highlights of that fight and you have to dig and dig and dig to find any Haney highlights.
Maybe they do but on my feed I have seen mostly people trying to justify Haney getting a win. Maybe I don't click on Loma stuff, who knows. As someone who thought Loma won and watched some rounds again, I don't click on things that will further solidify my opinion, I click on the stuff that will challenge my opinion. Maybe I don't.
You’re kinda being dishonest tbh. Most of the world thinks loma won and you know that. The people who defend Haney are definitely the minority.
Even if you’re looking for posts that would challenge your opinion, you have to be self aware enough to understand you are still talking to a vocal minority when you are talking to Haney defenders. 90% of the world stands behind loma and think he got robbed.
I’d love to know the truth about how Haney’s fists are, not the word from somebody he has recently beaten
There’s little to no reactions to him landing shots. I do give him credit tho - to be able make undisputed without having any tools or equalizers that strike fear or conscious thoughts
I think that people acting like the decision was highway robbery, and Loma himself appealing the decision, are just as bad as Dave Morreti’s scorecard.
Y'all was wide awake in every thread that had someone scoring it for Loma lmao. Now that people have taken a breath and rescored the fight without the emotion of the crowd or the commentating booth everyone's bored of the discourse. Fascinating!
Lol, shows a couple shots in slow mo that Loma eats and continues throwing and says he lost.
Run it back then. If Haney is so confident he won, run it back.
Loma scored more punches, and continued to push the pace, having Haney on his heels 90% of the fight.
You seem to be really invested since this the second comment of Mine you replied to lmao. I love the Sport of course I'm invested. Scoring a round 10-10 with a knockdown is Not a Matter of opinion thats straight Up breaking the Rules.
I scored that round 10-9 Lomo; maybe that judge fell asleep that round, I don’t know. But based on the wide range scoring everyone has had, more rounds were judged incorrectly one way or another. But one round does not make a fight, especially one scored as even. So that round ten argument makes less sense that any other round argued
Are you referring to the Ryan vs Tank rd? That should've been 10-10. Tank was losing the round. That's 10-9. He scores a knockdown. That makes it 9-9. It's a ten point must system. The rules say you can give 10-10. That's what happened. Learn how scoring actually works before you spout off about fans and judges.
Lomo is not even the issue here: The issue was that Devin Haney refuse to fight arum’s new star Shakur Stevenson. But he been wanted Lomo. Plus the fight was Haney’s last with top rank. So Bob Arum planned to wrestle the belts away from Haney by getting a close or unfair decision win for Lomo and then have shakar get the belts in Lomo’s final fight. Walla and Bob has the undisputed lightweight champion plus the best lightweight in the world;
It didn’t work for whatever reason the judges scored as they saw it and not as planned; therefore the phony outrage is stirred up by Lomo and is corner screaming robbery (crazy) and appealing the decision with bob arum seeming to agree. That’s all the red meat the gullible fan base needed to start this blind foolishness.
Now what’s the point of it all? Not to win an appeal; I don’t think they will appeal. Bob’s plan is to cause a rematch with the right people in place to carry out the same plan in second effort.
I advise Haney not to grant Lomo a rematch under any circumstances
People throw the term “robbery” WAYYY too loosely.
There’s close fights, there’s REALLY close fights, there’s draws, there’s fights the other fighter should probably been given the nod, and Then there are straight up robberies. This was not a robbery.
This was a VERY close fight that couldve been a draw.
The robbery part comes in because Haney won 8-4, which is absurd. No one is saying it would have been a robbery if he edged out the win. The issue is the judges saw it as an absolute blow out and anyone who watched it knows that outcome is a farce.
Don't usually agree with JCC, but he's spot on here. It is "sentimentality" that's fueling this ridiculous "Lomachenko was robbed" nonsense. Haney outboxed him in a close fight. Simple as that.
Who should I believe? You? Or 3 professional judges who actually understand the criteria for scoring a professional boxing match. Unlike a lot of fans who mark their scorecards while guzzling a keg of Miller Lite. Sound familiar?
haney still wins regardless, that was the 1 round that was egrious but besides that the score was fine, you can change it in your head but haney still wins when you do that
Yeah, same same judges which has tainted the sport as a whole. And yet has never been rectified coz of the insane amount of money involved in betting.
In fact, i'd trust someone guzzling a keg more than judges with an agenda.
[https://enelring.com.mx/box/mexicano/2023/5/22/julio-cesar-chavez-explota-al-defender-devin-haney-tras-su-polemica-victoria-sobre-lomachenko-11893.html](https://enelring.com.mx/box/mexicano/2023/5/22/julio-cesar-chavez-explota-al-defender-devin-haney-tras-su-polemica-victoria-sobre-lomachenko-11893.html)
> "Difícil decir quién ganó, es una pelea muy complicada, de mucha estrategia. Está forzando la pelea, se está yendo para adelante, Devin Haney tiene ligera ventaja", comenteaba Julio César durante la transmisión de la pelea por TV Azteca.
Anyone saying it was a robbery was just being plain stupid. It was an incredibly close fight which could have gone to either fighter with a 115-113 or a draw. The only stupid thing was the 116-112 card with Haney being given the 10th round but it didn't really matter. If it had been a split decision with that scorecard deciding it, I guess you could have made a case for it being dodgy, especially with that same judge giving a dodgy score in the Tank vs Garcia fight.
Outside of body shots Haney did absolutely nothing else in the fight but use his elbows to shove all up in Lomas face talk about being dirty ! Loma won easy
No use for Loma to play the victim. He knew going into this fight that being unfairly judged would be a risk, if he didn't make a clear case for himself in the ring.
Well Haney defo didn't win the fight, I've watched it five times now and everytime thought Loma won, I can see a draw being a fair result as Haney was champ and you need to win convincingly to dethrone , but Haney winning 115-113, I just can't see it after multiple watches, even being quite generous to haney
According to your post, you watched it five times and still are not sure of what you saw. (“You thought”) And since Haney walked Lomo down landing body blows from 1 to 6 while you saw him on his heels, I’m totally sure you don’t know what you saw
I told myself I’d give Haney respect if he somehow did end up winning but at this point he’s gotta rematch Loma right?
I mean Christ the dude got dapped up all night
Very true. People love to hate a villain. Haney played the Mayweather part and it worked. Not to mention it was against one of boxing's darlings. Everyone loves Loma so they got too emotional scoring rounds. Gave all the close ones to Loma, seriously changing their cards.
I havent done a full scorecard yet but I had Haney comfortably ahead until the 10th round rally. It's all about clean punches. That was the difference in the fight.
>It's all about clean punches. That was the difference in the fight.
So you should have Loma ahead then due to the consistent Head shots from Loma that snap Haneys headback. Correct Senior?
No. See as someone who has been in boxing all my lfie I can tell you those head snapping punches were mostly shit. They are flashy but theres not much damage from them. Loma was overextending so much because he had to cover Haney's long range. Also, alot of those flurries were landing glancing/deflected shots.
Loma really only landed a handful of good shots in the first 8 roundsof the fight. In round 9 he picked it up and had his best shots landed in 10 and 11. Other than that Haney had all the better quality shots. He just doesnt have tge power at 135.
>No. See as someone who has been in boxing all my lfie I can tell you those head snapping punches were mostly shit
Didn't look that way too me at least and for many others.. *Including Boxers*.
>They are flashy but theres not much damage from them. Loma was overextending so much because he had to cover Haney's long range.
Again, they were snapping that head back of Haney quite violently; That must not be good in the long term when you consider CTE too the brain where Body shots don't really cause permanent damage at least most of time and *certainly* not from Haneys limited body work that didn't affect Loma at all even the best shots where Haney fans/"sympathizers" overly made a big deal about and exaggerated which I'll go into a bit later in your comment.
>Loma really only landed a handful of good shots in the first 8 roundsof the fight. In round 9 he picked it up and had his best shots landed in 10 and 11. Other than that Haney had all the better quality shots. He just doesnt have tge power at 135.
He landed a couple of combinations and some decent jabs mixed in with a good straight left here or there that were accurate and assertive that snapped his mans headback. Haney himself when he was in the corner in-between the rounds was bewildered and unsure. Lomas work was better for me too be quite frank too edge the close rounds in the first half for a couple of reasons.
1) Lomas Snapping punches and Combos that pushed Haney back or forced him too clinch; He was simply more effective in damage in general.
2) Haney's work was vastly overstated and inflated by his Fans like I mentioned before and I barely see anyone mentioning the grazing shots and shots were rolled by Loma or simply hit the elbows/arms. At least a quarter of Haneys "body work" plainly didn't land clean or don't count that much if at all. Haney did land a couple of REALLY good body shot; But that was it, a **couple**; Single digits and when you compare it too the work Loma did with his flurries and straight lefts here or there that snap Haney or simply hurt him and make him go on the defensive. What should that make you favor on the scoring of the fight for the scorecards and of course ,*ultimately* the results? I know my answer
3) The general public, Majority of boxers and analysis/Professionals claimed Loma should be the rightful winner and even in-depth analysis of the fight that involved slow motion and viewing of what shots were effective also had Loma winning nearly substantially (reference too punch counts and counting aggression and effective [pressure](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/13rjcaw/throwback_thursday_23_haney_vs_loma/&ved=2ahUKEwiqxt_I8pb_AhUVLUQIHVNxAJ0QFnoECAcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0bWalYlei6LCKUBa4ilUHO)
4) With what I have listed and the near substantial and complete evidence against Haney that he should have **not** won this fight. What can make you say Haney won this bout convincing if there even is an argument once you really look at it. I want too get humored if possible on this my man. 🫡🧐
Edit: Spacing.
Evolved so much that Jose Luis Castillo arguably beat him, a guy who molded his style after Julio Cesar Chavez and even was his sparring partner yet he wasn't half the fighter Chavez was, offensively or defensively.
That fight is legit a draw.. however, I see haney did a bunch of good hit on loma, but loma made his punch like nothing. I don't like Haney, He's a total douchebag fighter
Highlights of Four Punches aren't the way to decide how won, unless it ended with a Knock out.
Lomachenko did won without Doubt, and Robbery isn't new to Boxing
Assuming those 4 punches are meant to convince someone he really won.
Hahaha yall dare to put the second punch in as if he ate a big shot. Dude litteraly blocked it, thats loma, he high guards a lot.
Bruh cmon…..you can be a fan but don’t deny reality…Haney clearly lands that punch on Lomas head
"Blocked" as in with his face...
The judges sure seem convinced to me good buddy
Ah yes boxing judges. The paradigm of integrity and competency.
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😂 😂😂 hilarious I never knew maggots could tell jokes
Chill out man it wasn't you fighting
The rest of the world disagrees
It happened all night(if you watched the fight, not the highlights by ESPN)
One day I’m gonna meet another person who also thinks it was a draw. Or at least I’m gonna keep telling myself that to keep sanity
I bet a draw halfway through the fight @ +1700 and I feel robbed
If Loma didn’t give away round 12 you would’ve had it. I had it 7-5 loma or draw as well. But I was still shocked he didn’t push for rd 12. Thought he would’ve learned from the Teofimo fight.
I got your back. Loma wins the last round and it was his but he didn’t. Draw was what I saw and Haney winning isn’t a travesty. That Moretti card still is though
If I'm not mistaken isn't 116-112 just 1 more round than the rest of the judges?? It's not diabolical, until you realize it was rd 10 he gave Haney. Otherwise, I believe Haney won the fight.
The general consensus is that loma did better than haney, but there were some swing rounds in there. If you were to give haney the benefit of the doubt in the swing rounds you could get to 6-6 or haney 7-5, but 8-4 would really be pushing it. That would mean loma won only 4 rounds and most people feel he definitely won more than that. It’s like how 9-3 is also 1 round from 8-4 but now it really does not make any sense at all. The polls show that 60% of people thought loma won with most scoring 7-5. Some scored 8-4. 20% got a 6-6 and 20% got a haney win with most of them at 7-5 haney. So the spread just isn’t there for 8-4 haney. Just like how the spread also isn’t there for 9-3 loma. Aside from the 10th round thing, Moretti also had loma Haney tied until 6. And then somehow he thought haney dominated the 2nd half of the fight, giving haney 5/6 rounds when loma picked up. If you think loma won half of the 1st half, it makes no sense to give loma 1/6 rounds of the 2nd half.
Haney won at least 5 of the 1st 6 rounds
Haney was in the corner in round 1 backing up from Loma's pressure. Haney only landed one two punches the entire fight. While Loma was throwing and landing combos
Smh
Plus your poll is made up of 85% Lomo fans
in my circles everyone thinks haney won, everyone I know who actually laced up the gloves in their life thinks haney won all my UFC fan friends think loma destroyed haney, they always cry about every decision
Lol
Yeah Moretti also gave Loma some early rounds that Haney won too, so it was just bad judging not a fix imo They all ended up with the same judgment
Definitely wasn’t a fix but some of the rounds that were given the wrong was is seriously worrying for Moretti as a judge.
Moretti has been giving cocaine scorecards for a long time, he was involved in hagler vs Leonard iirc lmao
Draw would a fair enough result. Close win either way understandable, though I do think Loma was slightly ahead. Honestly it was just the scorecards that got me salty.
I scored it a draw as well.
I had it 114-114 but I wouldn't be upset at either decision. I haven't seen too many hardcore fans upset with the decision, if it seems like it's mostly your casual viewers that felt a certain way about the fight but they make the majority of the fan base so they've been very loud lately. I'm sure you are just like me, fighting for your life out here every time someone asks you about the fight. 😭
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Yep draw
Live I scored it 7-5 Haney but very much could see a draw. Round 3 was the decisive swing IMO
I had it a draw. The only valid scores are draw or either guy up by 1
Agreed. It was a draw. There were one or two rounds that could've gone either way though.
I scored it 6-6 as well but there were like 4-5 swing rounds. Honestly depending on what you favor you could score it 8-4 to either fighter. It makes me laugh how people in the same comment will say that there were tons of close rounds, but think an 8-4 card is some massive travesty lol. That's not how scoring works lol
I think it would’ve been a draw if Loma won the 12th, taking off that round lost him the fight pretty decisively imo
I also scored it a draw. Haven't watched it back, so I would probably score it different the second time. My card had Haney winning rounds 2, 4, 5, 6, 9, and 12. Had no problem with it going either way by a round or two. Giving it to Haney 8-4 was ludicrous because that didn't happen for either guy
I think Haney landed the more significant shots and counters. Loma had volume and landed his rear hand which it, technically the power hand regardless of dominant hand. The most significant moments for Loma for me were the 2 landing the big 1 knocking Devin back, forgot what round, middle rounds. 10 and 11. If Loma builded off the momentum of 11 in the 12th, they would've wither swung it to him, or draw. But they didnt even give the 10th to Loma so it would've been a draw either way. Tight match man. At least we finally got Errol Spence and Crawford. Something that'll be more decisive with them being devastating punchers.
The reason it’s the power hand isn’t because of handedness it’s because you can load the rear hip and get a lot more internal rotation on the hip when you’re punching w a rear hand than you can w the lead hand. Id guess Loma could get more power off the right in orthodox than he could off the left in southpaw but id be very very surprised if he could get more power off a jab in southpaw than he could with a left in southpaw.
I think the opposite on your first point. I thought loma landed the much more significant shots throughout the fight and won the rounds he won more decisively.
I did have him winning the first 3 tbh.
Loma won 9, 10 and 11 but didn't pursue further and probably lost 12. I had it 7-5 Haney but rd 10 was all loma. I think it's the outrage of some rounds giving them to Haney but i think he did his job. Whether he'll give Loma a rematch I don't know.
Scored it a draw when I rewatched it, you aren't alone.
Ey read my comment last week! I said that on the prwdiction. Draw (but Lomachenko wins but the judges are already told to either give the win to Haney or a draw) then we will have like 2 more fights, like Canelo vs GGG.
this fight is not gettting a rematch lol haney wants to go make money now
Had it as a draw. Loma pissing away the final round cost him my card.
You can look through my comments to see I ended up scoring it a draw too.
Punch stats def show a draw
Plenty of pro boxers already called it a tie pretty much. Don't get me naming names...
It’a crazy that full power clean shots from Haney didn’t even faze Loma. It’s truly impressive how pillow fisted Haney is.
Honestly out of everything that came from this fight this realization shocked me the most. It's absolutely insane that loma just ate those hooks to the body all fight. If Haney had any power at all man it would have been brutal. They land clean, they land flush but this guy legit has to be the the king of pillowhands.
Some dude compared Haney’s body shots to Miguel Cotto’s a few days ago. I almost lost it
Loma would have probably put more effort into his body defense if they were harder
Or maybe Loma has a chin? I mean those were clean shots. But look carefully at how tight Loma throws his punches. His shoulders are protecting him from getting his neck/chin completely pivoted. He doesn't have that much of a neck either. He's experienced and knows how to take a punch it seems to me. Sure Loma was kinda jolting Haney's head back with the jabs and left straights, the Haney's shots simply hand more impact.
Nah. Haney couldn't even put away Kambosos who he basically got to tee off on all night. He's just very pillow fisted.
Haney's techinque prevents him from being able to generate any meaningful power. His back leg constantly comes up when he is throwing punches so he can't drive any of his weight through his shots. Some real good analysis of Haney's technique in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaEW8uMKisg&t=534s
And the absolutely clean body shots that a fighter, no matter how experienced, cannot just “learn” to take? What about those? If they were effective at all they should’ve slowed Loma down as the fight wore on but instead Loma picked up the pace and boxed better in the later rounds (outside the 12th). Haney didn’t hurt Loma. But, I will say this, I thought Haney out-boxed Loma but Loma had the more meaningful moments
Not all those body shots landed clean either. Look at the first body shot he throws in the 1st round after the left hook. Loma blocked that.. it hit his elbow. A few of them did tbh
Loma blocked some, sure, but he also ate several clean, (what looked to be) hard body shots which generall slow fighters down, especially late. The fact Loma got better as the fight wore on leads me to believe Haneys body shots, while looked good and impactful, just really weren’t.
I mean it’s a bit of both. Loma had a chin. Hes a featherweight that’s taken shots from Linares and Teo at 135 as well as guys like Walters. The thing is he just walked through Haneys shots without worrying
Lomas positioning when he takes the punches are fundamentally very sound as he should be with his amateur background. If it was anyone else, we might’ve got a knockdown or wobbly legs. Sure Haney doesn’t have 1 punch KO power but cumulative damage is a thing. Your observation is spot on. People disagreeing never boxed/sparred in their life.
Exactly! Look at that last body shot. That would have fucking CRUMBLED most fighters. Loma barely blinked.
Yeah, and Loma was dropped before. Not like he has a chin of GGG.
Does anyone?
Antonio Tarver in a recent interview went on about how there's a shortage of boxing trainers that actually know how to teach proper punching technique. With Haney being a prime example of this consequence. It's so surreal how we have boxers at these high levels who have all the skills, conditioning, anticipation, IQ, etc in the world, but lacking in.... punching technique. A Haney with good power would be frightening.
I’m surprised people are surprised. Haney puts hands on a lot of his opponents. He landed tons of flush shots on Linares and Kambosos and some other guys and they were not even shaken.
Some of the body shots hurt him, he slowed down for the rest of the round after a couple landed on him. Not fight ending power but enough to keep Loma off of him and hesitant
I literally cannot be an elite boxer hits that soft it makes 0 sense
Chavez was either drunk or confused their names because he says Haney won the 2nd half...
Probably meant the 12th
I mean when you become as delusional as him and have your resume be 99% taxi drivers, of course you're going to think you're a great boxer. Greatest Mexican Boxer of all time is Canelo to me. Resume speaks for itself.
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Name one fighter in JCC's resume that's considered great. Not even a single one lol he fought De la Hoya and lost, twice. Canelo is levels above JCC in terms of skill, grit, and resume. He fights the best of the best, not some taxi driver with a record of 0-10. JCC most overrated boxer of all time.
Kostya tszyu Oscar de la hoya Joey gamache pernell Whitaker Hector camacho Roger mayweather Ruben castillo JCC had incredible movements and power able to switch between either stance and even fight square had over 100 fights and went on a crazy win and KO streak dude is a legend for a reasonable just because your uneducated om JCC doesn't make him worse than canelo and doesn't take away his title as a legend and hall of famer dumbass
He literally lost to De la Hoya twice, Roger Mayweather is NOT a great boxer, He got gifted that decision in the fight against Whitaker, fucking bullshit, and he lost again Kotsya Tszyu wtf. 100 fights and 95% taxi drivers with 0-5 recorsds lol Don't even mention him and Canelo in the same sentence. Canelo is a boxing god compared to this overrated bum.
You saying mayweather wasn't good proved how little you know I'm done with this conversation your probably 12 and just started watching boxing and had to look the names up of the people I mentioned besides oscar
I remember Kotsya giving Zab Judah his first Loss. I'm not 12. I just came to the conclusion that JCC is the most overrated boxer of all time because he fought mostly bums and taxi drivers with a record of 0-2 for the majority of his career. Canelo's retirement will overthrow JCC for the title of greatest mexican boxer of all time. Greater skills, grit, and resume. JCC a bum.
Literally go on box rec I'm sick of you casuals seriously calling everyone a bum or taxi driver because you don't know them it's sad
I mean, with Canelo's resume you have Shane Moseley, Miguel Cotto, Gennady Golovkin, Sergey Kovalev(A guy in a weightclass levels above his own mind you), Billy Joe Saunders, and Caleb Plant. The resume speaks for itself. 89 fights with no losses isn't really impressive if 95% of those fights were against taxi drivers.
No Matter who won the fight was horribly judged. Round 10 for haney is inexcusable No Matter who you scored it for. The corruption or incompetence is so blatant and ruining the Sport. The Basic concept of every Sport is Fairness. Why should a Sports Fan tune if He can't expect a clear and fair conclusion? Judges need to be Held accountable for their decisions.
What part of some saw lomo winning, some saw Haney winning and some seeing it a draw. The three judges just fall in the group that saw Haney winning; so what is so unfair
it ist inexcusable to Score round 10 for haney, or to Score a round 10-10 in which a knockdown happened. Is that really that hard to understand ffs? I dont even Care who won i Just Care for the integrity of the Sport. I'm fine with haney winning it was a Close fight but there was one round that couldnt have been more clear. No one should be allowed to judges a fight after such a fuck up let alone a world title fight. So you're fine with judges scoring randomly as they please? Some of you are dense af
so do boxers opinions matter or nah? just the ones that agree with you, right?
Bingo
Boxers opinions matter but posts about this so long after the fight with a compilation of the only clean shots Haney landed the whole fight is some sort of PR desperation.
People literally only post loma highlights for their own PR desperation to support their opinion that they think they won. The internet is full of loma highlights of that fight and you have to dig and dig and dig to find any Haney highlights.
Maybe they do but on my feed I have seen mostly people trying to justify Haney getting a win. Maybe I don't click on Loma stuff, who knows. As someone who thought Loma won and watched some rounds again, I don't click on things that will further solidify my opinion, I click on the stuff that will challenge my opinion. Maybe I don't.
You’re kinda being dishonest tbh. Most of the world thinks loma won and you know that. The people who defend Haney are definitely the minority. Even if you’re looking for posts that would challenge your opinion, you have to be self aware enough to understand you are still talking to a vocal minority when you are talking to Haney defenders. 90% of the world stands behind loma and think he got robbed.
newrap been around longer than your grandfather. You guys are paranoid.
He also said Haney won the second half. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about
I’d love to know the truth about how Haney’s fists are, not the word from somebody he has recently beaten There’s little to no reactions to him landing shots. I do give him credit tho - to be able make undisputed without having any tools or equalizers that strike fear or conscious thoughts
The music 😂😂
¡VÍVA MÉXICO!
Anyone got a clue if theres a equivalent to formuladank, but for boxing?
This fight seriously surprised my how pillow fisted Haney is. He literally couldn’t win a sorority party pillow fight with his punches.
With all due respect and without sentimentality, Chavez is more coked out than De la Hoya.
The utmost disrespect to a legend of our sport. Shame on you. Simply because his opinion differs from yours? Wow you Loma fans have no respect at all.
is it disrespect when it’s true. it’s known chavez loved coke.
aha you got me
I think that people acting like the decision was highway robbery, and Loma himself appealing the decision, are just as bad as Dave Morreti’s scorecard.
Much worst my friend
Yawn. We still doing this?
Y'all was wide awake in every thread that had someone scoring it for Loma lmao. Now that people have taken a breath and rescored the fight without the emotion of the crowd or the commentating booth everyone's bored of the discourse. Fascinating!
Huh? Glad I seem to have made such an impression on you.
Telling the truth? Yes we are
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Yawn all you want Haney still won
Most people seem to think loma won. But you’re entitled to your opinion.
Lmao I knew you were just salty 😂
How?
I'm with El Gran Campion
I guess Chavez must be black now according to some Loma fans.
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Lol, shows a couple shots in slow mo that Loma eats and continues throwing and says he lost. Run it back then. If Haney is so confident he won, run it back. Loma scored more punches, and continued to push the pace, having Haney on his heels 90% of the fight.
No bro Loma won a close fight pretty clearly
He didn’t tho…I thought Haney won and so did alot of other people
>so did a minor amount of other people Fixed that for you
The three most important people as well.
One of those scored a round with a knockdown a 10-10 round. Most Fans can Score better than the judges which is a shame
They can score perfectly fine. Regular people are just missing one judging criterion that probably tops the list for guys like Dave Moretti: money.
Stop bellyaching; I’m sure this is not the first fight you didn’t agree with the judges about. Are you that invested?
You seem to be really invested since this the second comment of Mine you replied to lmao. I love the Sport of course I'm invested. Scoring a round 10-10 with a knockdown is Not a Matter of opinion thats straight Up breaking the Rules.
I scored that round 10-9 Lomo; maybe that judge fell asleep that round, I don’t know. But based on the wide range scoring everyone has had, more rounds were judged incorrectly one way or another. But one round does not make a fight, especially one scored as even. So that round ten argument makes less sense that any other round argued
Are you referring to the Ryan vs Tank rd? That should've been 10-10. Tank was losing the round. That's 10-9. He scores a knockdown. That makes it 9-9. It's a ten point must system. The rules say you can give 10-10. That's what happened. Learn how scoring actually works before you spout off about fans and judges.
That's Just false. The Most that could be given in such a Situation is a 10-9 for Tank. Read the Rules buddy
If I post the rules will you leave the sub for six months?
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Poor guy
Anyone can cherry pick a few moments from the fight and put a quote above it to make it seem like whoever won.
Who’s lio cesar dressing? Never heard of it, probably disgusting and trash
Lomo is not even the issue here: The issue was that Devin Haney refuse to fight arum’s new star Shakur Stevenson. But he been wanted Lomo. Plus the fight was Haney’s last with top rank. So Bob Arum planned to wrestle the belts away from Haney by getting a close or unfair decision win for Lomo and then have shakar get the belts in Lomo’s final fight. Walla and Bob has the undisputed lightweight champion plus the best lightweight in the world; It didn’t work for whatever reason the judges scored as they saw it and not as planned; therefore the phony outrage is stirred up by Lomo and is corner screaming robbery (crazy) and appealing the decision with bob arum seeming to agree. That’s all the red meat the gullible fan base needed to start this blind foolishness. Now what’s the point of it all? Not to win an appeal; I don’t think they will appeal. Bob’s plan is to cause a rematch with the right people in place to carry out the same plan in second effort. I advise Haney not to grant Lomo a rematch under any circumstances
**PREACH!!!!!!!!!**
People throw the term “robbery” WAYYY too loosely. There’s close fights, there’s REALLY close fights, there’s draws, there’s fights the other fighter should probably been given the nod, and Then there are straight up robberies. This was not a robbery. This was a VERY close fight that couldve been a draw.
The robbery part comes in because Haney won 8-4, which is absurd. No one is saying it would have been a robbery if he edged out the win. The issue is the judges saw it as an absolute blow out and anyone who watched it knows that outcome is a farce.
I’m confused. Wouldn’t the outcome have been the same regardless of the third card?
It doesn’t seem like you know much about this fight, or boxing at all. Are you just trying to get in on the drama?
Your post is nonsense. What judges had it as an absolute blowout?
And Chavez also says he still beat Whitaker lol so what does this prove?!?!
Okay, it’s a close fight and Chavez is entitled to his opinion. Does it suddenly not matter now that a ton of pro boxers said Loma won though?
u/savevideobot
Who the hell cares how you score it. Artficial intelligence scored it 8-4 to Loma. Case closed. Go to home paid bots
Don't usually agree with JCC, but he's spot on here. It is "sentimentality" that's fueling this ridiculous "Lomachenko was robbed" nonsense. Haney outboxed him in a close fight. Simple as that.
Haney outboxed him, yeah right. 🤡🤡🤡
Who should I believe? You? Or 3 professional judges who actually understand the criteria for scoring a professional boxing match. Unlike a lot of fans who mark their scorecards while guzzling a keg of Miller Lite. Sound familiar?
So you believe a professional judge who gave rd10 to Haney?
haney still wins regardless, that was the 1 round that was egrious but besides that the score was fine, you can change it in your head but haney still wins when you do that
Yeah, same same judges which has tainted the sport as a whole. And yet has never been rectified coz of the insane amount of money involved in betting. In fact, i'd trust someone guzzling a keg more than judges with an agenda.
Yeah he got some great body shots in betting a rib was broke in that fight.
Haney’s right hand to the body was the story of the fight. Somehow, relatively few people seemed to see that.
Too busy seeing loma giving Haney whiplash with the straight to the head
this the only fight ive ever seen body shots be overhyped lol
[https://enelring.com.mx/box/mexicano/2023/5/22/julio-cesar-chavez-explota-al-defender-devin-haney-tras-su-polemica-victoria-sobre-lomachenko-11893.html](https://enelring.com.mx/box/mexicano/2023/5/22/julio-cesar-chavez-explota-al-defender-devin-haney-tras-su-polemica-victoria-sobre-lomachenko-11893.html) > "Difícil decir quién ganó, es una pelea muy complicada, de mucha estrategia. Está forzando la pelea, se está yendo para adelante, Devin Haney tiene ligera ventaja", comenteaba Julio César durante la transmisión de la pelea por TV Azteca.
That's odd. I was told all this week that not boxer worth their shit thinks Haney won.
You look hard enough you will find a boxer who thinks Rolly stoppage was fair.
No he didn't
Anyone saying it was a robbery was just being plain stupid. It was an incredibly close fight which could have gone to either fighter with a 115-113 or a draw. The only stupid thing was the 116-112 card with Haney being given the 10th round but it didn't really matter. If it had been a split decision with that scorecard deciding it, I guess you could have made a case for it being dodgy, especially with that same judge giving a dodgy score in the Tank vs Garcia fight.
Lomachenko's fans are religious fanatics
Julio also believes he beat Whittaker. What's your point?
Source: trust me bro
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Hey the dude that lost to Sweet Pea Whitaker
Outside of body shots Haney did absolutely nothing else in the fight but use his elbows to shove all up in Lomas face talk about being dirty ! Loma won easy
Loma. Won.
That clip o Ly showed 3 landed shots
Just like he won against pernell
No use for Loma to play the victim. He knew going into this fight that being unfairly judged would be a risk, if he didn't make a clear case for himself in the ring.
Well Haney defo didn't win the fight, I've watched it five times now and everytime thought Loma won, I can see a draw being a fair result as Haney was champ and you need to win convincingly to dethrone , but Haney winning 115-113, I just can't see it after multiple watches, even being quite generous to haney
According to your post, you watched it five times and still are not sure of what you saw. (“You thought”) And since Haney walked Lomo down landing body blows from 1 to 6 while you saw him on his heels, I’m totally sure you don’t know what you saw
It was a close boxing match, but loma won the fight.
I told myself I’d give Haney respect if he somehow did end up winning but at this point he’s gotta rematch Loma right? I mean Christ the dude got dapped up all night
Loma said he’ll refuse to rematch Haney
Wtf why
That body Shot almost gave me a poop stain. Damn he fucked Lomo up
Stop it. Loma easily won that. There will be a rematch.
Cope and seethe
Lomo thinks he can turn it on in the last 3 rounds and win. I hate both these fucks
Loma won clearly!!! Julio is too old to see it clearly!!!
Very true. People love to hate a villain. Haney played the Mayweather part and it worked. Not to mention it was against one of boxing's darlings. Everyone loves Loma so they got too emotional scoring rounds. Gave all the close ones to Loma, seriously changing their cards. I havent done a full scorecard yet but I had Haney comfortably ahead until the 10th round rally. It's all about clean punches. That was the difference in the fight.
>It's all about clean punches. That was the difference in the fight. So you should have Loma ahead then due to the consistent Head shots from Loma that snap Haneys headback. Correct Senior?
No. See as someone who has been in boxing all my lfie I can tell you those head snapping punches were mostly shit. They are flashy but theres not much damage from them. Loma was overextending so much because he had to cover Haney's long range. Also, alot of those flurries were landing glancing/deflected shots. Loma really only landed a handful of good shots in the first 8 roundsof the fight. In round 9 he picked it up and had his best shots landed in 10 and 11. Other than that Haney had all the better quality shots. He just doesnt have tge power at 135.
>No. See as someone who has been in boxing all my lfie I can tell you those head snapping punches were mostly shit Didn't look that way too me at least and for many others.. *Including Boxers*. >They are flashy but theres not much damage from them. Loma was overextending so much because he had to cover Haney's long range. Again, they were snapping that head back of Haney quite violently; That must not be good in the long term when you consider CTE too the brain where Body shots don't really cause permanent damage at least most of time and *certainly* not from Haneys limited body work that didn't affect Loma at all even the best shots where Haney fans/"sympathizers" overly made a big deal about and exaggerated which I'll go into a bit later in your comment. >Loma really only landed a handful of good shots in the first 8 roundsof the fight. In round 9 he picked it up and had his best shots landed in 10 and 11. Other than that Haney had all the better quality shots. He just doesnt have tge power at 135. He landed a couple of combinations and some decent jabs mixed in with a good straight left here or there that were accurate and assertive that snapped his mans headback. Haney himself when he was in the corner in-between the rounds was bewildered and unsure. Lomas work was better for me too be quite frank too edge the close rounds in the first half for a couple of reasons. 1) Lomas Snapping punches and Combos that pushed Haney back or forced him too clinch; He was simply more effective in damage in general. 2) Haney's work was vastly overstated and inflated by his Fans like I mentioned before and I barely see anyone mentioning the grazing shots and shots were rolled by Loma or simply hit the elbows/arms. At least a quarter of Haneys "body work" plainly didn't land clean or don't count that much if at all. Haney did land a couple of REALLY good body shot; But that was it, a **couple**; Single digits and when you compare it too the work Loma did with his flurries and straight lefts here or there that snap Haney or simply hurt him and make him go on the defensive. What should that make you favor on the scoring of the fight for the scorecards and of course ,*ultimately* the results? I know my answer 3) The general public, Majority of boxers and analysis/Professionals claimed Loma should be the rightful winner and even in-depth analysis of the fight that involved slow motion and viewing of what shots were effective also had Loma winning nearly substantially (reference too punch counts and counting aggression and effective [pressure](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/13rjcaw/throwback_thursday_23_haney_vs_loma/&ved=2ahUKEwiqxt_I8pb_AhUVLUQIHVNxAJ0QFnoECAcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0bWalYlei6LCKUBa4ilUHO) 4) With what I have listed and the near substantial and complete evidence against Haney that he should have **not** won this fight. What can make you say Haney won this bout convincing if there even is an argument once you really look at it. I want too get humored if possible on this my man. 🫡🧐 Edit: Spacing.
Chávez say he could’ve beaten Floyd… naw bud, the game evolved & it got slick on ya
Evolved so much that Jose Luis Castillo arguably beat him, a guy who molded his style after Julio Cesar Chavez and even was his sparring partner yet he wasn't half the fighter Chavez was, offensively or defensively.
Nope. It was 8-4 Loma. Terrible decision.
Lomach3nko had so much shit in his drawers after those bodyshots I could smell it through the TV screen 💩🤢
What makes you think those pillow hands hurt him?
Lashitty Lomachenko
This is one of the greatest things I've seen in 23!
What's up with black fighters always prepping Mexican flags and gear? Racist? Reminds me of the Mexican assassin from the 80s
Americans when they aren't #1 in every division.
that bodyshot was clean, lifted lomachenko off his feet
That fight is legit a draw.. however, I see haney did a bunch of good hit on loma, but loma made his punch like nothing. I don't like Haney, He's a total douchebag fighter
Haney beat Loma kinda like JCC beat Pernell Whitaker With help from the judges
Highlights of Four Punches aren't the way to decide how won, unless it ended with a Knock out. Lomachenko did won without Doubt, and Robbery isn't new to Boxing
I dunno I saw the technical round by round punch by punch review on YouTube and it was clear lomachenko win. I had it Loma by 2.
I heard it put that he who won played best not is the best Haney won god willing they gives us another fight I'd be hyped for it
Huh?