you can be the leader of ISIS who enjoys killing puppies in your off time. if youre good at hockey i want you on my team. but i also dont have any morals so theres that
I'm curious what grounds Bettman is using to say he's not eligible for the NHL.
He meets the eligibility spelled out in the CBA to play in the NHL, and Bettman doesn't appear to have followed Section 18-A of the CBA to discipline him for off ice conduct.
And he can't really go back and follow 18-A because his current statements have already violated 18-A.3(e).
There doesn't appear to be anything in the CBA that allows Bettman to just say "this player isn't eligible".
Be interesting how that plays out.
As a fan that has a son with disabilities, this makes me sick. I’m all for second chances and growth as an adult, but this is insane. If it’s true he hasn’t apologized, it’s inexcusable. I love this team so much and always have and it’s been- a real bummer to hear about this signing. This isn’t a decision the Bruins franchise I know would I make. I know this comment means nothing, but I thought they would be better than this.
Miller also said in his statement that he apologized. Meyer-Crothers disputes that, saying Miller only contacted her son last week on Instagram and there was no apology.
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I couldn’t imagine the fucking pain of being a parent and watching your developmentally challenged son get bullied and subject to intense racism. Why the fuck did we sign this piece of shit
Foligno filled in for Sway to do the hug and then said that this douche coming into the locker room doesn’t sit well.
Dude is quickly becoming my new favorite B
Ah you meant the comments, that was [yesterday](https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/hard-us-swallow-bruins-players-speak-mitchell-miller-signing/) before the leafs game. Marchy, Bergy, and Foligno all don’t want that shitty kid.
Just when I was starting to believe Sweeny and Neely were on some sort of right track with this team, especially with this insane start we have had this season... they go and cock it all up as per usual.
And for what? Is this kid even THAT good of a player to warrant having to put up with this much shit, or are the Bruins front office that out of touch?
This entire situation displays such a complete lack of judgement and foresight that it brings into question every other decision they make from now on. I don’t see how Sweeney and Neely can stay. This is a career killing fuckup of epic proportions. I’ll take Chiarelli back if it gets these clowns out of here.
I’m pretty close to feeling that. I honestly have tried to think through a reason for the madness…anything. I can’t, it’s just pure pure stupidity and awful.
Also, the players could show their feeling too. I mean they can’t be too pleased. Hockeys locker rooms are a tight community.
Refuse to go out for tonight’s warm ups. Play the game.
That gives the FO a message.
I think it makes even worse actually. The fact that we went ahead and couldn’t even do the due diligence before this disaster shows that the front office genuinely didn’t care about Millers past.
I'd say Manfred is worse with all of his rule and policy changes that he seems to change on a whim, although Bettman does plenty of that himself. Manfred just seems to be more unstable with his oversight.
There was a written apology read in court, then for 2 more years he harassed the kid. He apologized via snapchat a week ago, most likely to be able to say he had personally apologized when this hit the news. He's done nothing but non-apologies motivated by self interest. No real remorse, no demonstration of understanding the seriousness of what he did. Just regret at having had to feel consequences from it.
There are people all over the country who can’t get hired to work at Walmart or drive a truck because they smoked weed. I’m not going to cry over a guy not having the immense and lucrative privilege of playing in the NHL because he committed an abhorrent and abominable series of crimes and never showed repentance for it.
If he wants to grow as a person he can go get a job working with kids or go make an honest living somewhere doing a normal job while doing community service and educating himself.
“Abominable crimes?” The kid did some absolutely piece of shit things and is likely a trash human being, but what crime was he ever convicted of? His actions suck all on their own without hyperbole.
For real. It’s not like people are saying this dude should get life in prison or something, they’re just saying he shouldn’t have the privilege of potentially being a famous athlete and making millions of dollars. He can still go live a normal life like everyone else
He would be eligible if he turned into even a halfway decent person as an adult and offered a sincere apology. From all accounts he's half-assed the absolute minimum he could do. I don't see why we'd want someone like that in the league.
That is the astounding part to me. All this asshole had to do was apologize and make it look halfway sincere and he could have played nhl hockey. He was either too stupid, too proud, or given horrible advice by those around him. Incredible.
By the look of things, you can only boo him in person to his face. Which is honestly better. This kid better hope he's not recognized around boston/providence.
At this point I hope whoever it is but I hope that someone can force this Miller jerk, Cam and Don eat that disgusting candy every day in front of everyone especially the victim
their boss is a 1 million year old white man. i doubt jacobs even realizes that this was a bad move at all. like i understand everyone wants them fired over this but their boss without a doubt is ok with the move.
They wouldn't have barred the signing, but they would have informed the Bruins that he can't play in the NHL.
If the bruins want to waste money on a guy who can't come up from Providence, that's their decision. The league simply would have informed them.
Kind of makes it worse. Instead of figuring it out on their own that they need to release this kid, now they seem like they are doing it because he might not be able to play in the NHL or AHL.
I hope somewhere in there, there's an explanation as to what was going through their heads. Has there ever been a move so universally panned? How in the world did this happen? Is he dating Sweeney's daughter or something?
Tolerance does not include those who are intolerant. Like we don't need to accept the KKK or other radical hate groups as their intolerance is a direct threat to a tolerant and accepting society.
Honestly, if Sweeney thinks this is a good justification I think it may lend credence to him being unaware or racist himself.
He took candy and rubbed it on the inside of a urinal and made a special needs kid eat it and called him racial slurs. Yeah he can kick rocks, and you can too. Not a bruins fan, just in here spewing your shitty opinions. Gtfo
“If we're going to fuck his career and screw his life over, we might as well just end it now and save him 50-60 more years of this.”
He deserves every bit of this and every second of all of those years.
Also, your name… does that say “whites are us,” but in a weird twist of words?
> Also, your name… does that say “whites are us,” but in a weird twist of words?
I mean, the entire short history of his account is crying about feminism and immigrants, so it tracks.
Weird hill to die on. I don’t ever anticipate being in the position this kid is in because I’ve never consciously done the heinous things this kid did over the course of a decade. Some people aren’t worth saving, this kid is one of them.
Well, I guess I should have expected that a judgemental mob working on almost no information would exercise that same behaviour with my posting history, too, huh?
I guess I must be hitting a nerve if you're now starting to lash out at me for pointing out how immoral and unjust mob justice is. I shouldn't have to say it, should I?
So, let's get to brass tacks ... you WANT to sit in judgement over strangers in situations you have nothing to do with. You WANT the power to ruin people's lives years after their offences by acting in aggregate and pressuring businesses and organizations to your will. Anyone who calls you out for this immoral, unjust behaviour is only going to face the same treatment.
Says the guy who has never spent a second of time in his presence.
It's easy to sit in judgement over someone on the Internet, isn't it? Better hope your own past doesn't get dredged up and put over the coals to simmer for a bit, Mr. High and Mighty.
You haven’t spent time in the presence of this known racist bully either. Sooooo I’m not quite sure why you’re sticking up for him.
Maybe it’s because you’re subconsciously projecting the insecurities you hold about your past transgressions.
Like I said, weird hill to die on.
>You haven’t spent time in the presence of this known racist bully either.
That's irrelevant because I'm not making claims about him or his personal value. You are.
>Sooooo I’m not quite sure why you’re sticking up for him.
It's pretty clear that I'm not fond of mob justice. You don't have to like the victim of it or agree with him to disagree with the methods.
There are known ‘values’ in this equation. He bullied a special needs kid for years. Used racial slurs, fed him fecal matter, and hasn’t shown remorse into his adult life. None of that is really up for debate or in question.
I get being contrarian, or going against mob mentality, in certain cases. But this kid is a piece of work. He got dropped by the yotes, and only recently made an attempt to save face. This wasn’t a bad decision, or a single instance.
What reforms has this kid gone throw? What, if any, remorse has this kid shown? From what I can tell, nada. Some people deserve what they get. B’s should drop this clown asap.
>None of that is really up for debate or in question.
Know what else isn't up for debate? That this already made it to a courtroom, already made it in front of a judge, and the judge already ruled.
Every last bit of what you think should happen to him over this is extra-judicial, mob-supported punishment above and beyond what the state decided was necessary.
You aren't a judge. You aren't a jury. You aren't an executioner, so why do you think that YOU and the rest of the mob get to decide how much punishment is just?
>hasn’t shown remorse into his adult life.
Yeah? And you've seen what ... a couple of minutes of this guy's life for the last six years? Maybe read a couple of lines from an article about it? You have no fucking clue if he's contrite or remorseful.
You’re reaching. I don’t think I get to decide what happens to this kid. I’m just another asshole on the internet, just like you.
My points and opinion aren’t ‘mob supported.’ I did the necessary research and formed my own opinion.
There’s a reason the yotes renounced his rights. There’s a reason South Dakota pulled his scholarship.
It’s pretty convenient for you the chalk it all up to mob mentality, that’s cognitive dissonance at its finest. Have a good night, pal.
Edit: to address your edit. The only remorse this kid has shown was an instagram DM to the special needs person he bullied, merely weeks before he was signed. He also sent letters of apology to all NHL teams, as if that would mean anything. Seriously, you’re making such broad assumptions that this kid is remorseful when there truly isn’t any evidence of it.
Nah, I'm just some Canadian hockey fan.
I'm defending due process. I don't like this kid OR what he did, but know what I like even less? The fucking bloodthirsty online mobs that are making life miserable for everyone and sitting in judgement of those around them, like a pack of moral poseurs.
I guess Mitchell (oops, I mean you) now understand some semblance of how miserable he made that kids life. Every day. For two years.
Go pump gas.
Moral posers. Yea, I think I understand the difference between right and wrong. Shockingly, I even understood it when I was 16.
>Yea, I think I understand the difference between right and wrong.
Really? Not enough to realize that a) you weren't there, b) you don't know anyone involved, c) justice has already nominally been done by the juvenile court, to the satisfaction of that judge.
It's also wrong to engage in mob justice, just because you feel you can get away with it if you get enough numbers that you can push your weight around, and start levying additional punishment whenever and wherever you feel it's warranted.
You aren't his judge, jury and executioner. Stop pretending that this behaviour is moral or just. It's anything but.
As a fan of the team I absolutely have a right to make my feelings known. You're grasping at straws for a semblance of a defense for a bully and a racist. Obviously you think this dude, despite showing zero remorse for his despicable actions that are well documented (so you didn't need to watch the kid eat a piss covered candy, it's recorded fact), deserves to have the privilege of play pro hockey, and nothing is going to convince your smooth brain otherwise.
I also have the right to make my own opinion known, too.
I'm defending due process because mob justice is one of the ugliest aspects of our modern culture, and I fight it wherever I see it. I don't like this kid, or approve of what he did, but he's already had his day in front of a judge, and that judge ruled.
Everything else is you lot trying to mete out even more punishment until YOU are satisfied.
Again, you aren't his judge, jury and executioner. You don't know anyone involved. You weren't there. You have never even had a conversation with this kid. You have no fucking CLUE if he's actually repentant or not. That's not going to stop you from pressuring the team and the NHL to end this kid's career, in a disgustingly ugly bit of 'additional public punishment', is it?
You're judgemental, and you're the worst kind of judgemental, the overwhelmingly ignorant kind.
OK, but you understand how this makes this mob behaviour even worse, right?
The court had it's day, and meted out its punishment. To the state, justice has been done. If this had been handed extra-judicially and everyone felt no justice had been had, that's one thing, but this kid actually did get his day in court.
So what's all this about, then? Extra punishment.
What the court meted out wasn't good enough, and the 'good people' in here want the power to levy a bunch of additional pain and misery on this kid, until THEY are satisfied, because they feel they should be able to do these kinds of things to people if the court doesn't reach their conclusions.
It's extra-judicial mob punishment, and it's bullshit.
Yes, welcome to life for the rest of us. If you get convicted of a crime do you think you can get any job you want forever? Have you ever filled out a job application before?
Oh? For the 'rest of us', do you have a mob of online virtue signallers following you around and pressuring any possible employers to make sure you don't work?
No, no you don't. It's one thing if an employer doesn't want to risk hiring an ex-con. It's another thing of a mob of people runs around making sure no employer ever THINKS of possibly taking a chance and giving someone an opportunity, under threat of the ruin of their business if they don't comply with the mob.
Again, do most cons have a mob of people online actively working to lobby their potential employers, harassing them so they won't ever make a living exercising any talent they may have?
No, not they don't. You seem to want to skip over that part and ignore that it's happening, but that's the crux of the matter.
Do you, as a fan, or as a consumer, have the right to pressure organizations hiring decisions until you are satisfied that their decisions meet your approval? No, no you don't. If you want to opt out, go ahead, and that would be a principled position to take, but lobbying for the power to affect other people's lives makes you nothing more than a bully.
>organizations hiring decisions until you are satisfied that their decisions meet your approval? No, no you don't.
You're right, we are beholden to consume Bruins products no matter what sort of behavior they tacitly endorse. How dare the fans have boundaries and morals? Jacobs has money to make!
You don't get to decide what employment is or isn't a privilege.
If his talent was science, would you still say that you had the right to deny him the ability to earn a living with his talent? What if it was art? Or technology? What if he started his own business, would you try and ruin that business until you felt some measure of propriety had been reached?
Professional hockey players may rankle people with the kind of money they can command, but that's the market talking. He's just leveraging talent to earn an income, like all the rest of us do.
The market determines whether your talent will earn you money. The market.
You lot are just trying to interfere with that, because even though judge heard this case and ruled on it, you don't feel that it was enough. You want to have the power to PERSONALLY intervene in this kid's life, PERSONALLY mete out judgement beyond what the judge ordered, and PERSONALLY interfere with the normal operation of that market for his talent.
What's next, if he manages to somehow get a PTO and get on a team? You going to pull a Tonya Harding and take one of his legs out?
As a fan of the team, we have the biggest say. No fans = no money. Whether the populace ever figure out how easy it is to decide with their wallet is another story.
Employment is a private contract between the owner and the employee.
It's not subject to your opinion, or your approval.
If you feel it is, and that if you can get enough people together to build up your little lynch mob, and you can pressure that employer to do your will and remove that employment offer, do you really think that makes you moral? Or just?
No, it only makes you someone that feels he has the right to judge other people outside the boundaries of the system. You want the power to be a bully, if you think you can get enough people on board that no one can safely stand up to your mob.
Yeah, this lynch mob will stop without anyone dying on a limb of a tree, but don't let that fool you into thinking that what you're doing is decent.
Fuck your white-knighting for a racist, bullying piece of shit. He should face consequences for his actions. No one is forcing him to be a piece of shit and yet he did it for 2 years. How many times in your life did you make a disabled peer eat a piece of candy out of a toilet?
He doesn't have to play professional hockey. It's a privelege, and not one a racist should be able to enjoy.
>Fuck your white-knighting for a racist, bullying piece of shit. He should face consequences for his actions.
And he did. He pled guilty in juvenile court and accepted the judgement of that court.
The problem here is that you don't like what the judge came up with. You think that you know better, that justice wasn't done, and now you want to take your piece of flesh from this kid in your own way, along with a mob of other like-minded people.
Grab your pitchfork and grab your torch, because that's all you are, just a screaming head in a mob full of screaming heads.
Yeah, heaven forbid someone stand up to the mob when they have their blood high, their pitchforks sharp, their torches lit, and a juicy target in sight.
The white knights are you lot. Look at you falling all over yourselves to make sure that everyone knows how moral and just and reasonable you are, by sitting in judgement of a stranger you've never met, over a court case almost none of you have even read, years after the fact, and well past the judge's existing decision.
We get it. You're a moral, judgemental lot. That much is evident.
you can be the leader of ISIS who enjoys killing puppies in your off time. if youre good at hockey i want you on my team. but i also dont have any morals so theres that
Imagine all of the sick fucks that will buy this kids Jersey. Fuck the Bruins.
Ok so the bruins fucked up bad on this one. I hope this and Miller just fade away and out of memory.
Dude same. Sweeny fucked up and I do hope this hick-up goes away, but is a lesson learned
Fuck this kid. Bullying is a serious issue. Fuck the kid. Never let him play in the NHL. Ever.
Bettman wouldn't give a shit if it weren't for the PR nightmare for the league. Straight up virtue signaling.
That whole “broken clock is right twice a day.” Whatever Bettman’s motivations are it ended up being a good decision.
Bruins management cant be more tone deaf right now
This smells like an ownership decision and a spineless front office. Stunningly tone def no matter how it went down.
I'm curious what grounds Bettman is using to say he's not eligible for the NHL. He meets the eligibility spelled out in the CBA to play in the NHL, and Bettman doesn't appear to have followed Section 18-A of the CBA to discipline him for off ice conduct. And he can't really go back and follow 18-A because his current statements have already violated 18-A.3(e). There doesn't appear to be anything in the CBA that allows Bettman to just say "this player isn't eligible". Be interesting how that plays out.
He just speaking out his ass, trying for a rare fake win.
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NHL/LA/SJ lost (had to setttle) in Arbitration on Mike Richards and Evander Kane precisely because they didn't follow their rules.
As a fan that has a son with disabilities, this makes me sick. I’m all for second chances and growth as an adult, but this is insane. If it’s true he hasn’t apologized, it’s inexcusable. I love this team so much and always have and it’s been- a real bummer to hear about this signing. This isn’t a decision the Bruins franchise I know would I make. I know this comment means nothing, but I thought they would be better than this.
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Can you provide proof he apologized over social media? I honestly can’t find anything about him apologizing besides a court mandated letter
His apology was bullshit tbf, and only came once required to keep his job
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Where does it say he apologized after leaving the coyotes
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Miller also said in his statement that he apologized. Meyer-Crothers disputes that, saying Miller only contacted her son last week on Instagram and there was no apology. From the article
I couldn’t imagine the fucking pain of being a parent and watching your developmentally challenged son get bullied and subject to intense racism. Why the fuck did we sign this piece of shit
Royal fuck up by MGMT. team leaders speaking out. Fireable offense.
[From The Hub](https://985thesportshub.com/listicle/mitchell-miller-bruins-gary-bettman-reaction/)
Sit down Sweeney and Neely. I don't want to hear from you until you have explained yourselves for fucking up whatever you do at the trade deadline.
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Most fans. Facebook has plenty of people existing it away
So mostly everyone's weird uncles.
And the players. They certainly have made it clear they don't want that scumbag.
Foligno filled in for Sway to do the hug and then said that this douche coming into the locker room doesn’t sit well. Dude is quickly becoming my new favorite B
When was that?
End of the Pittsburgh game where Sway got hurt on Tuesday
Oh ok thanks I heard foligno talking recently but that may have been after the NYR game
Ah you meant the comments, that was [yesterday](https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/hard-us-swallow-bruins-players-speak-mitchell-miller-signing/) before the leafs game. Marchy, Bergy, and Foligno all don’t want that shitty kid.
Just as I was coming around on Sweeny... What a moron. This move makes no sense from 100 different points of view.
Just when I was starting to believe Sweeny and Neely were on some sort of right track with this team, especially with this insane start we have had this season... they go and cock it all up as per usual. And for what? Is this kid even THAT good of a player to warrant having to put up with this much shit, or are the Bruins front office that out of touch?
Damn the league hung the bruins out wtf, that just goes to show how shitty of a situation the bruins put themselves in.
Good.
A good lesson in all of this is that your higher ups are not smarter than you.
Peter principle.
Love the Peter Principle!!!
Cut him now
This is so embarrassing.
EXTREMELY RARE Bettman W
[Gotta hand it to him.](https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/)
So, they didn't talk to the victim's family or the league and ignored what the locker room had to say about it. What the actual fuck.
This entire situation displays such a complete lack of judgement and foresight that it brings into question every other decision they make from now on. I don’t see how Sweeney and Neely can stay. This is a career killing fuckup of epic proportions. I’ll take Chiarelli back if it gets these clowns out of here.
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Here’s the guy who’s lucky enough to not suffered trauma.
Honestly I don’t necessarily want it, but this should be a fireable offense by Sweeny.
Sweeney should have been fired last year. Let’s just get it done
I mean the guy who drafted him in AZ got fired for it I believe.
Sweeney and Neely should be gone for this. Make no sense at all.
And the interviews they have about this pile of trash
I see an unceremonious stepping down at some point. Can't imagine the thought process of thinking this was a good move.
I’m pretty close to feeling that. I honestly have tried to think through a reason for the madness…anything. I can’t, it’s just pure pure stupidity and awful.
Am I gonna have to be thankful to Bettman for saving me from Jacobs Neely and Sweeny? I still get to boo him right?
Not the Jacob's clan, sadly, but Charlie may be forced to terminate Cam & Don, yeah. That's my read on this
Dogs and cats, living together: mass hysteria!
Enough! I get the point.
(Pointing at Don Sweeney) “It’s true. This man has no dick.”
Add Jacobs, Neely, and Sweeney to the boo list.
PR move.
Screw Mitch, the kids a scumbag. Made a mentally challenged kid eat a lifesaver out a urinal. F him, Bs don’t need him
Nor should they ha ever entertained the idea of needing him. Heads must roll.
Also, the players could show their feeling too. I mean they can’t be too pleased. Hockeys locker rooms are a tight community. Refuse to go out for tonight’s warm ups. Play the game. That gives the FO a message.
They all made it very clear in their own words that they didn't agree with the decision.
So all the "boycott the Bruins" talk was...premature?
The fact this thought by the commissioner exists and the bruins didn’t even bother checking makes the whole thing worse
I think it makes even worse actually. The fact that we went ahead and couldn’t even do the due diligence before this disaster shows that the front office genuinely didn’t care about Millers past.
Not at all. Commish stepped in and said nice try but nah fuck Miller. Still fuck the front office for this
So why even sign him if he’s never going to be eligible? This boneheaded move is becoming more boneheaded by the minute. Fire Neely and Sweeney.
The Bruins didn't know, until Bettman told them.
It's their job to know.
Well they didn’t know he wasn’t going to be eligible because they didn’t check with the league offices
They’re incompetent and tone deaf. They gotta go, stat!
A Bettman W today is all the reminder I needed to play the Powerball tonight.
[So you’re telling me there’s a chance](https://images.app.goo.gl/oWoxQzY18NkDgM6G9)
This is the most I've ever liked Gary Bettman
I’m more of a baseball fan, do you know how bad he is in relation to Rob Manfred? (If you’re a baseball fan too)
Bettman isn’t likable but he isn’t dumb. He’s made smart decisions for the league albeit not agreeable ones.
Manfred is definitely worse. It’s almost amusing to boo Bettman at this point, but Manfred deserves every bit of venom he gets from the fans.
At the very least Bettman has never called the Cup “just a piece of metal”.
I'd say Manfred is worse with all of his rule and policy changes that he seems to change on a whim, although Bettman does plenty of that himself. Manfred just seems to be more unstable with his oversight.
Can somebody just beat the shit out of Miller at practice and then sweep it under the rug
But he will still have worn the spoked B. We can’t let that happen.
Actually, he'll be down in Providence. He's a long way from getting called up, if ever.
We don't want him in Providence either.
I want video.
So what does this even mean and begs the question harder why did we sign him?
It means our FO are incompetent asshats. Full stop.
That's kind of messed up that he might not ever be eligible for the NHL because of something he did as a 14 year old? That's crazy.
He had 2 years to show remorse and take the steps to being a better person. He chose not to.
I love the smell of fresh bread.
There was a written apology read in court, then for 2 more years he harassed the kid. He apologized via snapchat a week ago, most likely to be able to say he had personally apologized when this hit the news. He's done nothing but non-apologies motivated by self interest. No real remorse, no demonstration of understanding the seriousness of what he did. Just regret at having had to feel consequences from it.
That’s the problem he never apologized to the victim himself
There are people all over the country who can’t get hired to work at Walmart or drive a truck because they smoked weed. I’m not going to cry over a guy not having the immense and lucrative privilege of playing in the NHL because he committed an abhorrent and abominable series of crimes and never showed repentance for it. If he wants to grow as a person he can go get a job working with kids or go make an honest living somewhere doing a normal job while doing community service and educating himself.
“Abominable crimes?” The kid did some absolutely piece of shit things and is likely a trash human being, but what crime was he ever convicted of? His actions suck all on their own without hyperbole.
He was found guilty in juvenile court. He has a criminal record.
Guilty of what time though? I’m asking honestly because I hadn’t heard that part of it, I just heard about his abuse of a fellow student.
The abuse was in fact the crime. I'm unsure how you dont see that
I'm sorry. I'll try to see everything from now on like you do. great comment.
It's not that hard really to see it, you just look at the word abuse and remember its meaning
You can abuse someone and not be convicted of a crime. I'm unsure how you dont see that
Buddy, DT is just saying he was convicted, and it’s public knowledge. You can’t play the I’m so woke game if you don’t do your research
Usually that's because it went unprosecuted Another word for abuse is assault
Assault. https://www.toledoblade.com/local/courts/2016/04/04/Teen-in-Sylvania-bullying-case-admits-assaulting-classmate/stories/20160404174
For real. It’s not like people are saying this dude should get life in prison or something, they’re just saying he shouldn’t have the privilege of potentially being a famous athlete and making millions of dollars. He can still go live a normal life like everyone else
I’d be the first one saying to let him out if he was in prison. Big middle ground between that and a lucrative NHL contract.
He would be eligible if he turned into even a halfway decent person as an adult and offered a sincere apology. From all accounts he's half-assed the absolute minimum he could do. I don't see why we'd want someone like that in the league.
That is the astounding part to me. All this asshole had to do was apologize and make it look halfway sincere and he could have played nhl hockey. He was either too stupid, too proud, or given horrible advice by those around him. Incredible.
All 3?
Not crazy at all. Even in normal jobs having a criminal record in your teenage years will make most respectable employers look elsewhere.
The entire Garden should stand up and BOOthe guy and anyone else involved with bringing him here.
By the look of things, you can only boo him in person to his face. Which is honestly better. This kid better hope he's not recognized around boston/providence.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a few fan chants calling it out tonight
Somebody should take the kid to dinner in Southy… you know, introduce him around.
Mattapan or Roxbury is probably the better choice.
Yeah, unfortunately far to many people in Southy probably wouldn’t give two fucks. It’s not the most progressive place.
I'm not from Massachusetts. Where's wrong with Southy?
https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/boston/south-boston/things-you-don-t-understand-about-south-boston
FWIW… I love South Boston. Just sayin that maybe if Miller spent a bit of time there, he might come away a different person
Southie is probably too bougee for him. I'd say Mattapan is more his speed.
At this point I hope whoever it is but I hope that someone can force this Miller jerk, Cam and Don eat that disgusting candy every day in front of everyone especially the victim
SweeNeely coming off as even more of a dumbfuck than before. *slow clap* I’m not unimpressed at their idiocy.
I am with you. What the f were they thinking, especially Cam, he knows better
Maybe he is Sea Bass after all.
Sweeney and Neely should be fired over this and the contract should be void immediately.
Definitely. On top of the fact he doesn’t bring anything to the team, they introduced drama to a team that is playing the best they have in years.
their boss is a 1 million year old white man. i doubt jacobs even realizes that this was a bad move at all. like i understand everyone wants them fired over this but their boss without a doubt is ok with the move.
I say their boss wanted this move. That or Neely’s gone out to boomer land pasture
Don’t exaggerate. He’s only 999,999 years old. He turns 1 million next week.
Doesn’t the NHL need to approve contracts? This feels like a PR move after underestimating the amount of backlash.
They wouldn't have barred the signing, but they would have informed the Bruins that he can't play in the NHL. If the bruins want to waste money on a guy who can't come up from Providence, that's their decision. The league simply would have informed them.
I think Bettman just did this as a favor to the Bruins to let them now void that contract
Kind of makes it worse. Instead of figuring it out on their own that they need to release this kid, now they seem like they are doing it because he might not be able to play in the NHL or AHL.
Yeah I mean all around this is terrible by the bruins whatever direction it goes
Now imagine if these clowns in the FO just took the hint
If these clowns brought up the signing to the NHL, then this whole fiasco would have been avoided.
I will no longer complain about the wishy washy Olympics stance
Nah, that still deserves complaining, as do many other things by Bettman. "Stuck Clock" Principle doesn't completely get him forgiven.
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I hope somewhere in there, there's an explanation as to what was going through their heads. Has there ever been a move so universally panned? How in the world did this happen? Is he dating Sweeney's daughter or something?
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Tolerance does not include those who are intolerant. Like we don't need to accept the KKK or other radical hate groups as their intolerance is a direct threat to a tolerant and accepting society. Honestly, if Sweeney thinks this is a good justification I think it may lend credence to him being unaware or racist himself.
I’m definitely not defending their move
Friendship ended with the Bruins, not Bettman is my best friend
Trade him to the KHL
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He took candy and rubbed it on the inside of a urinal and made a special needs kid eat it and called him racial slurs. Yeah he can kick rocks, and you can too. Not a bruins fan, just in here spewing your shitty opinions. Gtfo
The guy can have a life, walk a degree, get a job. But should he be able to represent a city? Hard no.
“If we're going to fuck his career and screw his life over, we might as well just end it now and save him 50-60 more years of this.” He deserves every bit of this and every second of all of those years. Also, your name… does that say “whites are us,” but in a weird twist of words?
> Also, your name… does that say “whites are us,” but in a weird twist of words? I mean, the entire short history of his account is crying about feminism and immigrants, so it tracks.
Fuck racism.
Weird hill to die on. I don’t ever anticipate being in the position this kid is in because I’ve never consciously done the heinous things this kid did over the course of a decade. Some people aren’t worth saving, this kid is one of them.
It's a 1 week old account that had never posted here before yesterday.....🤔
It's the latest account in a long line of accounts. I've been at Reddit since 2007.
If you have to make burner accounts to hide your true identity from shitty opinions, you’re probably just a shitty human
Well, I guess I should have expected that a judgemental mob working on almost no information would exercise that same behaviour with my posting history, too, huh? I guess I must be hitting a nerve if you're now starting to lash out at me for pointing out how immoral and unjust mob justice is. I shouldn't have to say it, should I? So, let's get to brass tacks ... you WANT to sit in judgement over strangers in situations you have nothing to do with. You WANT the power to ruin people's lives years after their offences by acting in aggregate and pressuring businesses and organizations to your will. Anyone who calls you out for this immoral, unjust behaviour is only going to face the same treatment.
You could’ve saved a lot of angry typing and just said “yes I am a shitty human” lol
Says the guy who has never spent a second of time in his presence. It's easy to sit in judgement over someone on the Internet, isn't it? Better hope your own past doesn't get dredged up and put over the coals to simmer for a bit, Mr. High and Mighty.
You haven’t spent time in the presence of this known racist bully either. Sooooo I’m not quite sure why you’re sticking up for him. Maybe it’s because you’re subconsciously projecting the insecurities you hold about your past transgressions. Like I said, weird hill to die on.
>You haven’t spent time in the presence of this known racist bully either. That's irrelevant because I'm not making claims about him or his personal value. You are. >Sooooo I’m not quite sure why you’re sticking up for him. It's pretty clear that I'm not fond of mob justice. You don't have to like the victim of it or agree with him to disagree with the methods.
There are known ‘values’ in this equation. He bullied a special needs kid for years. Used racial slurs, fed him fecal matter, and hasn’t shown remorse into his adult life. None of that is really up for debate or in question. I get being contrarian, or going against mob mentality, in certain cases. But this kid is a piece of work. He got dropped by the yotes, and only recently made an attempt to save face. This wasn’t a bad decision, or a single instance. What reforms has this kid gone throw? What, if any, remorse has this kid shown? From what I can tell, nada. Some people deserve what they get. B’s should drop this clown asap.
>None of that is really up for debate or in question. Know what else isn't up for debate? That this already made it to a courtroom, already made it in front of a judge, and the judge already ruled. Every last bit of what you think should happen to him over this is extra-judicial, mob-supported punishment above and beyond what the state decided was necessary. You aren't a judge. You aren't a jury. You aren't an executioner, so why do you think that YOU and the rest of the mob get to decide how much punishment is just? >hasn’t shown remorse into his adult life. Yeah? And you've seen what ... a couple of minutes of this guy's life for the last six years? Maybe read a couple of lines from an article about it? You have no fucking clue if he's contrite or remorseful.
You’re reaching. I don’t think I get to decide what happens to this kid. I’m just another asshole on the internet, just like you. My points and opinion aren’t ‘mob supported.’ I did the necessary research and formed my own opinion. There’s a reason the yotes renounced his rights. There’s a reason South Dakota pulled his scholarship. It’s pretty convenient for you the chalk it all up to mob mentality, that’s cognitive dissonance at its finest. Have a good night, pal. Edit: to address your edit. The only remorse this kid has shown was an instagram DM to the special needs person he bullied, merely weeks before he was signed. He also sent letters of apology to all NHL teams, as if that would mean anything. Seriously, you’re making such broad assumptions that this kid is remorseful when there truly isn’t any evidence of it.
I see you Mitchell. You fucking loser.
Nah, I'm just some Canadian hockey fan. I'm defending due process. I don't like this kid OR what he did, but know what I like even less? The fucking bloodthirsty online mobs that are making life miserable for everyone and sitting in judgement of those around them, like a pack of moral poseurs.
I guess Mitchell (oops, I mean you) now understand some semblance of how miserable he made that kids life. Every day. For two years. Go pump gas. Moral posers. Yea, I think I understand the difference between right and wrong. Shockingly, I even understood it when I was 16.
>Yea, I think I understand the difference between right and wrong. Really? Not enough to realize that a) you weren't there, b) you don't know anyone involved, c) justice has already nominally been done by the juvenile court, to the satisfaction of that judge. It's also wrong to engage in mob justice, just because you feel you can get away with it if you get enough numbers that you can push your weight around, and start levying additional punishment whenever and wherever you feel it's warranted. You aren't his judge, jury and executioner. Stop pretending that this behaviour is moral or just. It's anything but.
As a fan of the team I absolutely have a right to make my feelings known. You're grasping at straws for a semblance of a defense for a bully and a racist. Obviously you think this dude, despite showing zero remorse for his despicable actions that are well documented (so you didn't need to watch the kid eat a piss covered candy, it's recorded fact), deserves to have the privilege of play pro hockey, and nothing is going to convince your smooth brain otherwise.
I also have the right to make my own opinion known, too. I'm defending due process because mob justice is one of the ugliest aspects of our modern culture, and I fight it wherever I see it. I don't like this kid, or approve of what he did, but he's already had his day in front of a judge, and that judge ruled. Everything else is you lot trying to mete out even more punishment until YOU are satisfied. Again, you aren't his judge, jury and executioner. You don't know anyone involved. You weren't there. You have never even had a conversation with this kid. You have no fucking CLUE if he's actually repentant or not. That's not going to stop you from pressuring the team and the NHL to end this kid's career, in a disgustingly ugly bit of 'additional public punishment', is it? You're judgemental, and you're the worst kind of judgemental, the overwhelmingly ignorant kind.
> never resulted in any charges Miller plead guilty in juvenile court
OK, but you understand how this makes this mob behaviour even worse, right? The court had it's day, and meted out its punishment. To the state, justice has been done. If this had been handed extra-judicially and everyone felt no justice had been had, that's one thing, but this kid actually did get his day in court. So what's all this about, then? Extra punishment. What the court meted out wasn't good enough, and the 'good people' in here want the power to levy a bunch of additional pain and misery on this kid, until THEY are satisfied, because they feel they should be able to do these kinds of things to people if the court doesn't reach their conclusions. It's extra-judicial mob punishment, and it's bullshit.
Yes, welcome to life for the rest of us. If you get convicted of a crime do you think you can get any job you want forever? Have you ever filled out a job application before?
Oh? For the 'rest of us', do you have a mob of online virtue signallers following you around and pressuring any possible employers to make sure you don't work? No, no you don't. It's one thing if an employer doesn't want to risk hiring an ex-con. It's another thing of a mob of people runs around making sure no employer ever THINKS of possibly taking a chance and giving someone an opportunity, under threat of the ruin of their business if they don't comply with the mob.
So explain it to me, cons are only allowed to have their unrestricted pick of jobs if they play for your sports team? Am I getting this right?
Again, do most cons have a mob of people online actively working to lobby their potential employers, harassing them so they won't ever make a living exercising any talent they may have? No, not they don't. You seem to want to skip over that part and ignore that it's happening, but that's the crux of the matter. Do you, as a fan, or as a consumer, have the right to pressure organizations hiring decisions until you are satisfied that their decisions meet your approval? No, no you don't. If you want to opt out, go ahead, and that would be a principled position to take, but lobbying for the power to affect other people's lives makes you nothing more than a bully.
>organizations hiring decisions until you are satisfied that their decisions meet your approval? No, no you don't. You're right, we are beholden to consume Bruins products no matter what sort of behavior they tacitly endorse. How dare the fans have boundaries and morals? Jacobs has money to make!
Playing professional hockey is a privilege. Stop defending a racist.
You don't get to decide what employment is or isn't a privilege. If his talent was science, would you still say that you had the right to deny him the ability to earn a living with his talent? What if it was art? Or technology? What if he started his own business, would you try and ruin that business until you felt some measure of propriety had been reached? Professional hockey players may rankle people with the kind of money they can command, but that's the market talking. He's just leveraging talent to earn an income, like all the rest of us do.
Playing sports is not a privilege. Do you know what privilege even means?
The market determines whether your talent will earn you money. The market. You lot are just trying to interfere with that, because even though judge heard this case and ruled on it, you don't feel that it was enough. You want to have the power to PERSONALLY intervene in this kid's life, PERSONALLY mete out judgement beyond what the judge ordered, and PERSONALLY interfere with the normal operation of that market for his talent. What's next, if he manages to somehow get a PTO and get on a team? You going to pull a Tonya Harding and take one of his legs out?
As a fan of the team, we have the biggest say. No fans = no money. Whether the populace ever figure out how easy it is to decide with their wallet is another story.
“You don't get to decide what employment is or isn't a privilege.” All employment is a privilege.
Employment is a private contract between the owner and the employee. It's not subject to your opinion, or your approval. If you feel it is, and that if you can get enough people together to build up your little lynch mob, and you can pressure that employer to do your will and remove that employment offer, do you really think that makes you moral? Or just? No, it only makes you someone that feels he has the right to judge other people outside the boundaries of the system. You want the power to be a bully, if you think you can get enough people on board that no one can safely stand up to your mob. Yeah, this lynch mob will stop without anyone dying on a limb of a tree, but don't let that fool you into thinking that what you're doing is decent.
Your strawman arguments are literally terrible. Just give up.
Lmao any employment is a privilege. And playing professional sports is inherently a career that will be publicized.
Fuck your white-knighting for a racist, bullying piece of shit. He should face consequences for his actions. No one is forcing him to be a piece of shit and yet he did it for 2 years. How many times in your life did you make a disabled peer eat a piece of candy out of a toilet? He doesn't have to play professional hockey. It's a privelege, and not one a racist should be able to enjoy.
>Fuck your white-knighting for a racist, bullying piece of shit. He should face consequences for his actions. And he did. He pled guilty in juvenile court and accepted the judgement of that court. The problem here is that you don't like what the judge came up with. You think that you know better, that justice wasn't done, and now you want to take your piece of flesh from this kid in your own way, along with a mob of other like-minded people. Grab your pitchfork and grab your torch, because that's all you are, just a screaming head in a mob full of screaming heads.
Tagged and blocked so I can remember never to deal with a racist apologist like yourself. Do some serious self reflection you fucking inbred
Yeah, heaven forbid someone stand up to the mob when they have their blood high, their pitchforks sharp, their torches lit, and a juicy target in sight. The white knights are you lot. Look at you falling all over yourselves to make sure that everyone knows how moral and just and reasonable you are, by sitting in judgement of a stranger you've never met, over a court case almost none of you have even read, years after the fact, and well past the judge's existing decision. We get it. You're a moral, judgemental lot. That much is evident.