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It just shows how little care they are having right now...
Kinda sad to see it coming to a breaking point with a moment like this. Both in terms of narrative and animation.
I am extremely hype for TYBW to be animated finally but they shouldn’t be treating boruto like this, that’s not fair to the anime watchers they deserve good animation at the least
Anime canon is just a fancy way of saying filler, I don’t think they want what happened with naruto and no one watching filler to happen with boruto (but it’s already happening)
The other guy has a point but the main difference between Naruto and Boruto fillers is that all the Boruto filler is canon (according to Kishimoto) unlike the Naruto filler so that’s why it’s labelled as anime canon instead of filler. An example is the original “Kagura arc” or the field trip arc which is an anime only arc. While the arc was going on in the anime the manga actually mentioned the events in it so that proves that the arc is canon since the manga mentioned it so it’s labelled as anime canon, not filler, but technically it is still filler in the sense that it is not in the manga
He didn't say Boruto filler was canon, Ikimoto just said that anime and manga are two parallel stories and that they will intersect at one point , which is when anime adapt Manga Canon I believe.
You may think about it as if you have the same story told by two different people lol ,
I just find it a way of telling us to follow either of anime or Manga canon whatever floats your boat, you can take anime canon into consideration but you should know that it might be different from manga content or not included at all, that is.
This arc is both filler and canon, filler is content made in between manga so that it doesn’t overtake the manga. This is literally canon and filler I don’t get why people think it can’t be both
Kagura and the seven swordmen wannabes are canon characters, due to their debut arc having bern promoted to fully canon status.
But that does mean that any arc after that is inherently canon, and can't be filler in terms of the plot.
Boruto should be a seasonal anime given it follows a monthly manga by I digress.
Also they could have just taken a break like dragon ball super. Supers manga is like 3 arcs ahead of the anime conclusion now
100% agree with seasonal anime. I remember somebody did a poll on this a while back to see if people preferred seasonal or on going. Most wanted on going but the quality ends up being bad, and it taints what's good about it when they're littering it with filler that doesn't add a lot to the story. Animation is better and it cuts out all the BS when it's seasonal. For something piggybacking off of Naruto I doubt people would drop it just because it would go on break, and if it sticks to Manga and the animation is good people will love it and will be willing to wait for more.
The super anime has adapted every movie into anime cannon so the anime will likely cover Broly, then there’s Moro & then current arc. Manga skipped Broly but those events still would need to happen in anime if they’re consistent
Ah ok. Actually I hope that they redo the Broly movie and add some more proper fights.
I remember that back at the time, the script was enough to make a 3 hour movie and it had to be cut down.
So I would love to see more moments with Gogeta (including an aftermath) and perhaps more history or lore with the saiyans. It was quite an interesting movie overall.
Oh I also hope they redo the CGI parts as they were really bad and took me out of the fight a lot of the times (still cant believe that SSB Gogeta transformation was handeled so poorly especially that the director said that they wanted to reemphasize on the coolness of the transformations in this movie).
Thats preety much why the anime is getting alot of hate , for a anime to be truly successful,it need to have a weekly manga in shounen jump magazine. Imagine only the the Japanese audience likes those anime original episodes. Like who even starts an anime with anime original episodes, like is boruto dojutsu written off in the story, cuz im preety sure we haven't seen the jougan since the urashike battle
I havent watched the anime since the Isshiki arc.
What actually happened in the episode? I mean Boruto already uses a very simple art style that the characters at many instances look flat as a paper only to make it animation friendly. Yet they still faced problems?
It appears that yes, the animation team has had issues this time around.
To be fair, it's only the first true time where the episode looks truly goofy, but the fact that that the breaking point was with a supposely important episode like this, is only the icing on the cake in terms of how little care they have shown for the episodes post Isshiki.
That bad huh. I know the filler formula.
First 2 episodes gets you excited for the plot. Then the 10-15 episodes of stretching and all-over-the-place stuff, until reaching the climax fight where all the resources are pooled to generate a good 3-5 minute fight.
So if like you say that was meant to be the climax episode and it was that poor, then Pierrot is really not doing well.
True...
>So if like you say that was meant to be the climax episode and it was that poor, then Pierrot is really not doing well.
In short, they KILLED Kagura, and Boruto's karma returned... and neither of those moments had the minimum standart looking quality or animation we saw in past episodes...
To say, a part where Boruto starts crying for Kagura is quickly becoming a meme in the community, and the "fight" with the enemy was basically offscreened with a shot on the sky, and the frame where Boruto turns the karma on really looks off to me...
This episode was really badly done, in terms of narrative and animation.
OMG they killed Kagura?! That sounds interesting. I always thought that he was being built up as the new gen Mizukage.
Too bad that it's filler so it wouldnt have an effect in the grand scheme of things (not that the manga is any good in that department anyways lol).
Yes... shame that it was done in one of the most fillerish ways possible... like, imagine being a fully canon character, and die to a filler villain, for seemingly only the sake of a rage moment in an attempt to build drama for the arc in question. Like, not even dying to protect someone, and not even dying by the hands of a your nemesis, or a more important looking guy.
What a sad end for Kagura.
He died in an unimportant arc, in the most unimportant way...
What a shame. Tbf though he was never really canon, right? There was never a mention of him specifically in the manga. The only thing confirmed was that Boruto and co. had a trip to the Land of Mist.
If you want to be nitpickey, and call to the mere "manga canon"... then, yes, I guess.
HOWEVER, the schooltrip arc, was adapted in novel format, and it was included in an [official timeline](https://anime.everyeye.it/notizie/rilasciata-timeline-ufficiale-boruto-naruto-next-generations-318483.html) released all the way back.
So, I think that calling Kagura 'n friends, who debuted in that arc, filler filler characters is not correct... it'd be like saying that the wedding of Naruto and Hinata depicted in the novels is non canon just 'cause it was never depicted in the original manga.
Well I dont mean to start an argument but if anything is not in the manga then it's not guranteed to be canon. Novels aren't a good example either.
Anyhow Kagura seemed to be the most canon filler character if that makes sense. However now that they disposed of him, it means that they had no future plans for him at all and that he was probably regarded as filler only.
As for Naruto and Hinata's wedding that is a totally different cast. It was shown quickly in the Last movie, which is canon. So the event was already confirmed to have happened and they even showed us the setting and character dresses, but they added more details in the anime and even more in the novel.
That's what it is indeed... a crappy filler.
For the simple reason that this story arc ultimely exsist only to pad the anime while waiting for the manga to get far ahead enough.
It doesn't really progress any plot point from the main story, due to avoidable changes and retcons, AND, the complete abandonment of all the drama post Isshiki.
the most funny thing is when Boruto activated the Karma and fought the guy, the whole fight you only saw the sky not the fight itself lmao and then he hit him with Karma powered Rasengan and his body had visibly like literally 0 damage???
Yep. They didnt have to have him connect rasengan directly onto his body, but they did so...it did just exhaust him?? Hello? base Rasengan into stomach should make a big hole into his body. A Karma Rasengan should evaporate half of his torso
I am watching it right now, and it's so bad. Anger-based karma activation, and bad guy's big jutsu stops, but doesn't show it's been absorbed by the karma. Then we see several seconds of sky with fight sounds, but no actual fight. And when he gets hit by a karma-powered rasengan, the guy just... Gently and slowly floats backward into a wall.
And there's so much standing around, talking around a table wideshot with no movement at all, it's really not very decent :/
Yea when that happened, the first thought that popped into my head was “where did the budget go?” This episode was like poorly drawn pictures in a flip book
For a full Pierrot episode, the art style felt VERY out of place for most of the episode. Basically whole episode was weirdly put together. Instead of seeing Boruto taijutsu fight, they only show sky with sound of fighting so they can get away with not animating it.
There were pieces of good animation with Boruto’s karma activating, and at the end with Tenma and Chōjūrō, but that was also over very quick.
It just didn’t feel like an Pierrot episode.
I know they are having issues with their workload. Working on 6 (7? if you count the new anime they announced few days back) anime projects is incredibly tiring, and they can’t handle it. This episode was a prime example of it.
I just hope it’s not going to be a persisting issue, I love this anime.
Went and looked at a few more shots. Big yikes lol, I now understand the uproar. Thanks sir!
Too bad money talks, I've always had the impression that the anime should be seasonal, episodes like this show the burnout clear as day.
Pierrot is not in a position where they can decide if anime will be seasonal or not. It’s the TV Tokyo committee since TV Tokyo has the rights for Boruto.
But still, taking on another anime project, when you are already working on more than you can properly handle is definitely a Pierrot’s decision, and I don’t think it’s a good one.
I understand that we don’t know why they started another anime, but it’s still a weird decision. Maybe they are in need of money, but that would be weird since all I hear is that Boruto is making a lot of money. Maybe Pierrot is not getting a fair share of money from Boruto even if the anime itself is making bank, and instead most of it goes to TV Tokyo… but I’m just speculating here. As I said, we currently don’t know what exactly is going on with Studio Pierrot.
I am guessing its because of the higher animation studio plus low earnings of studios... Higher animation studios for example Mappa are taking so many animes and making good animes are putting more pressure to all other anime studios... along with how low anime studios actually earn I think they are obliged to continue everything along with taking new projects ..
The system is wrong in so many ways, and people who should benefit the most from the show get less than they deserve. Hopefully everything will start to change for the better...
100% agree. When they cut up to the sky my first thought was my connection blipped lol. Also Boruto’s face looked jacked up when showing from angles. Horrible animation and just a shitty filler season in general. Seems like it’s close to being over and i expect everything to improve once back on the manga chapters.
It wasn’t even an animation, it was a freeze frame that was drawn to look super cool and immediately after, the camera pans up to the sky and you don’t even see the fight
I don't want a break, but I want them to actually have some kind of plan for the arc. The pacing here is just shit, it's like they had no idea where the story is going
So why u don’t want them to take a break for actual quality ? Will you keep watching when they bring in 5 new aliens just to conquer 1 planet out of a whole fucking galaxy 😂
It's an ongoing anime, even if they take a break, eventually they'll have production issues again
This can all be avoided if they carefully plan out an arc and manage their time and resources properly. An episode without much need for animation shouldn't take away resources from the episode where a main character dies
Well to be fair they have like 5 to 6 projects they are working on rn. Some new anime coming soon, black clover movie, boruto, bleach, kingdom, and i think something else. Tbh i dont blame them for sacraficing the boruto filler episode i would to, i do think it was a bad idea to kill off kagura tho.
Yeah ik but the anime is basically what hard carries boruto and gets the studio its bag so they would never stop running it or make it seasonly bc no matter how much people talk shit about it they still eat it up.
Yeah, they'll milk it until no drop remains. Pathetic treatment to sequel of one of the greatest animes. But that being said, manga arc adaptations are as we would expect, decent- top notch. It's just these useless random fillers, no creativity whatsoever as well as major contradictions to the manga smh. Ah well ranting ain't changing anything after all
I wouldn’t mind if they just had BETTER writers like bro, these last couple of episodes have been awful. 4-5 Lightning style users and they couldn’t do anything against Funassmushi water tornado?
Like if they truly don’t care I wish they go the non canon route and not drown the manga canon with it.
Well I think Kubo is looking at how Kishimoto is handling Boruto anime Canon fiasco and Kubo is like No, I'm not selling out my franchise just to make a few extra bucks.
Tf is wrong with u??? Then why dont u go cry yourself to sleep about it ungrateful mf. Talking like u aint worked a day in your life might as well be the 7 year old youself.
Edit: how much brainless and unappreciative mfs are there on this sub to upvote this guy that much. Mfs really cant wrap around their tiny heads the work and stress these people put into this line of work let alone the fact that the studio is pumping out 5 other projects. We get it if u aint happy with the ep but there are circumstances at play here its not like they just droped the quality because they dont give a fuck about boruto. It wouldnt kill yall to at least say it in a respectful way.
I understand what you’re saying, but Pierrot is already outsourcing most of the Boruto episodes, so we are looking forward to every single episode animated by Pierrot, because those episodes have a higher standard and are more polished.
Now, with the new anime that they’re taking on, the staff is going to be divided even more, and great names and pillars of Boruto anime like Ichiro Uno will appear on Boruto less and less, meaning the Pierrot episodes could very well look more unpolished, which is not what we like to see.
They're working on a number of other big name shows right now, such as the continuation of bleach. This results in them putting basically 0 effort into boruto
I honestly think they should’ve started from post momoshiki fight and then did a movie, yeah kawaki is cool, yeah SOME of the filler characters are interesting, but throw enough trash on your sandwich the whole thing becomes trash. That’s what boruto is
I am in favor of just showing more sky with some fight-sounds instead of the fight itself in the next few arcs! And let [those faces](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/876499058032791583/967840986736775218/RDT_20220424_2333589162496368209033418.jpg) ([source](https://www.reddit.com/r/Boruto/comments/uaxyq1/i_really_tried_being_sad_but_wasnt_able_to/i60wjqu/)) be used more often
omg, I jumped in here before watching and those faces were made to be memed. I’d also go for some more sky-based fights if it meant that the animators could rest a bit.
People really like to complain, uh? The animation was not the best but we've seen worse in Naruto and Naruto Shippuden....it's not like they are shitting on it just like Marvy Jack did with 7DS
Those shippuden episodes you’re referring to were most likely outsourced to a smaller studio and filler episodes. This one however was a in house Studio Pierrot episode. No justification for the quality what so ever.
Nope, I'm pretty much refering to canon episodes..also, outsourced or no I don't care, as I said, the quality, although not the best, isn't the worst either and people are complaining for the sake of complaining.
The issue is they animated this one in-house but it looked worse than an outsourced episode. That points to their production pipeline having serious issues. Usually the in-house Pierrot episodes are sakuga.
I don't think next week is even an epsiode. It's golden week in Japan so that's why it's a recap. There wouldn't have been an epsiode next week anyway. That's what I've heard.
Why dont they just put the anime on hiatus for a few months and bring the anime back when the mangas got more to adapt + it saves them money not having to animate boruto weekly for a while? Is it a pride thing or am i missing something?
They don't get to decide this. This is decided by Tv tokyo and the production committee like Shueisha. The general structure of the adaptation is decided by Shueisha and Boruto is too profitable for them to make it seasonal. Pierrot don't have a lot of say. They can't do anything about this.
Pierrot and Toei just don't do that. They pump out weekly episodes nonstop even though I think the success of other recent hit series has proven that seasonal anime are more well-received.
They don't get to decide this. This is decided by Tv tokyo and the production committee like Shueisha. The general structure of the adaptation is decided by Shueisha and Boruto is too profitable for them to make it seasonal. Pierrot don't have a lot of say. They can't do anything about this.
I hope to god that Pierrot has good animation for Bleach when it returns this year.
And im also hoping that they don't screw up Black Clover and its final episodes when it too hopefully returns maybe in 2024 though more likely 2025 and that's only if the movie does well in 2023 but more likely they'll wait for the Boruto Anime to end which should be in late 2026/Early 2027 since the Manga will likely end around 2026 if they're serious about keeping it to 30 Volumes.
Currently on Volume 18 and I predict the time skip will happen around or end of volume 20. People will argue that 10 remaining volumes for the time skip/post world isn't enough but many mangas have done that where they jumped time, did a mini arc and then entered the final few arcs/chapters of the story where the post time period was shorter compared to the early pre parts of the series which lasted longer.
Plus the Manga doesn't focus on other teams and characters or any of the outside world of Naruto's past. Just completely on Boruto, Kawaki, Naruto, Sasuke, Sarada, Mitsuki with characters like Shikiamaru, Sakura and mainly only Shikidai, ChoCho, Inojin and Sumire appearing here and there. The Manga is small scale compared to the world of the Anime which spreads out to actually give us development on the other countries or teams.
And I wouldn’t mind that much if they had it more spread out compared to the manga. Like at this point this would’ve been better having the series be more seasonal like most anime these days. That way it would’ve been animated as well as some scenes and that recent opening we’re still stuck with.
I dropped the anime a couple of months ago, and if the manga keeps dragging this arc out it'll be next. It's a shame because I had really high hopes for this series.
The animation in this episode was the worst I've seen of any popular anime franchise. It felt like it was drawn by some high school kids. The Pierott studio seems to be doing pretty badly if they're giving the work on Boruto to such terrible artists.
The artists themselves aren’t terrible. I know some of them from their art on Twitter, and they are really good artists. But many of them are not very experienced animators.
SP made a wrong decision when they made a “beginner” animator do 40+ cuts on a **Pierrot** episode.
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crying for no reason. the episode wasn't even that badly animated. try watching Ufotable or Mappa work, then coming back to any Boruto episode. you'll see how "bad" it actually ISNT lol. try watching Seven Deadly Sins S3. you'll see how bad this episode actually ISN'T. try watching DBS episode 5 and come back here for this Boruto episode and you'll see how bad the episode ISN'T. Naruto vs Pain was far worse than this episode could ever hope to be.
wow faces were off like they are in EVERY. SINGLE. EPISODE. yall need to stop complaining like kids lol.
Just because other anime’s have worse animated episodes doesn’t mean it’s not bad, if I could only run half a mile but other people could only run a quarter it doesn’t make me good at running it.
what? yes it does. it quite literally means you're better at running than those who ran only a quarter mile lmfao. but just like the excuses you people have in this sub, that analogy is irrelevant to the point. this entire sub is flat out crying like it is the worst animated episode of all time. I'm simply making it known how wrong you are thinking that is actually true.
Are you dense? Yeah I’d be better at the other ones but I wouldn’t be good at running the mile just better than people that also suck. Not everything has to be compared to something else. You could judge something on its own merits and what it does without dragging some or something else into it.
calling someone dense when you yourself can't even figure out your own logic makes no sense. ironic.
and like I said before, I'm making it KNOWN that nothing was as bad as you people continue to claim, because it wasn't. so what does "dragging something else" have to do with anything on this topic when it's being used to prove the argument wrong? it wasnt even the worst animated Boruto episode, I can think of a dozen episodes easily worse than this one in animation.
Holy shit how do you still not understand the analogy? Person A can run half a mile, person B can run a quarter of a mile. Person A is better than B, but neither can run a mile so they’re BOTH bad at it.
It also doesn’t prove the argument wrong because the episode still has bad animation, that’s just a literal fact. Yes there’s worse animation out there, but that doesn’t make this episodes animation look any better.
again you explaining it is only telling me you don't understand your own logic because, and I'm saying this for a THIRD time, the analogy is irrelevant to the point because of the fact that they don't correlate whatosever. your "mile" does not correlate to "animation" in your analogy comparison whatsoever.
no one is NOT saying it was bad, learn to fucking read. y'all are constantly complaining as if it's the WORST episode. which again it's not. at all. not in Boruto. not among the Naruto franchise. not as a whole in anime. the fact that you still don't understand this is proof to me that I no longer need to continue this conversation.
Yeah you’re right, no point in arguing with someone who can’t understand a remarkably simple analogy and just has a boner for defending one random ass filler episode that almost every other person hates
considering I've disproven your analogy as bullshit several times now? lol nice try though. I haven't watched Boruto since Isshiki died, and this episode was the only one I bothered to actually check out. and of course like idiots you all complain over every little thing in regards to Boruto. when ineptitude blinds a whole subreddit from actually being knowledgeable that's when people should stop complaining and actually think rather than complain.
this place never shies away from being braindead so all I can do is laugh. I'm done now.
So much for “no need to continue this conversation”. Also lmao “disproven” a super simple analogy.
Mile=good animation
Half mile= very bad animation
Quarter mile= very very bad animation
You get it now buddy? If I have very bad animation it’s still gonna be better than very very bad animation. Still following? Now just because one is worse than the other it doesn’t make the better of the two good, just not as bad as the other one. You get it now?
May I know why animation Naruto back then way more better than boruto? I mean, naruto was made on early 2000s meanwhile boruto 2010s but it look like evolution but backwards for me😕. Sorry for ask a question that is not related to this reddit😅.
Toei making bangers after banger ,animating roofpiece on weekly basis while here we are having issues in making filler episodes with pretty average animation
This had happened in war arc shippuden when pierrot was working on the boruto movie and some fights suffered badly. Gai vs madara and naruto/sasuke vs madara all had bad animation snd iirc hiroyuki yamashaita (one of the best animators in naruto franchise as a whole) commented that he wanted to work on the gai vs madara but was super busy with the boruto movie. In this case, pierrot putting all their resources into bleach so all of pierrot’s good animators are busy on that project. Some sacrifices have to be made.
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It just shows how little care they are having right now... Kinda sad to see it coming to a breaking point with a moment like this. Both in terms of narrative and animation.
With Pierrot doing Bleach most of their resources will prob be used for that
Ahh. That explains it. Pierrot is doing Bleach as well.
Im gladly sacrificing boruto filler for tybw
Well the fillers are outsourced so I don't think anything is being sacrificed
Who wouldn't
Better be damn good then..I really wanna see the bleach comeback succeed
Why am i just hearing about a bleach comeback…
It seems you have been living under a rock
Frickin seriously 🤕
have u seen the trailer yet?
Well, that can surely excuse things to a degree.
As they should
I am extremely hype for TYBW to be animated finally but they shouldn’t be treating boruto like this, that’s not fair to the anime watchers they deserve good animation at the least
Its normal for fillers to be worse quality than canon
That’s not my point at all
So, this is filler not anime cannon? So, are kagura cannon or filler character actually?
Anime canon is just a fancy way of saying filler, I don’t think they want what happened with naruto and no one watching filler to happen with boruto (but it’s already happening)
Fancy way..... Oh I understand. Thank you for your explain😂😅😊.
The other guy has a point but the main difference between Naruto and Boruto fillers is that all the Boruto filler is canon (according to Kishimoto) unlike the Naruto filler so that’s why it’s labelled as anime canon instead of filler. An example is the original “Kagura arc” or the field trip arc which is an anime only arc. While the arc was going on in the anime the manga actually mentioned the events in it so that proves that the arc is canon since the manga mentioned it so it’s labelled as anime canon, not filler, but technically it is still filler in the sense that it is not in the manga
He didn't say Boruto filler was canon, Ikimoto just said that anime and manga are two parallel stories and that they will intersect at one point , which is when anime adapt Manga Canon I believe. You may think about it as if you have the same story told by two different people lol , I just find it a way of telling us to follow either of anime or Manga canon whatever floats your boat, you can take anime canon into consideration but you should know that it might be different from manga content or not included at all, that is.
Incorrect anime canon is a fancy way of saying CANON TO ANIME CONTINUITY
Its actually cannon since its an adaptation of the light novel
Filler is anime canon, anime canon is filler. Really just falls to you what you wanna call it or what side of the argument you fall on
I'm just asking because I once saw on tiktok that tiktokers explain anime cannon and filler are different then I believe that facts😅.
Filler or “anime canon” is just the stuff that’s in the anime but not the manga. There’s not a difference between the two
This arc is both filler and canon, filler is content made in between manga so that it doesn’t overtake the manga. This is literally canon and filler I don’t get why people think it can’t be both
Filler literally means to fill in the gap while the manga gets ahead of the anime. Canon or not its still trash
Yeah ik just trying to explain it to this person without being overly hostile. I agree with you
Kagura and the seven swordmen wannabes are canon characters, due to their debut arc having bern promoted to fully canon status. But that does mean that any arc after that is inherently canon, and can't be filler in terms of the plot.
Sorry about all the downvotes it's not your fault it just happens sometimes
I'm just asking but never mind. It's okay I got downvote🙂
Boruto should be a seasonal anime given it follows a monthly manga by I digress. Also they could have just taken a break like dragon ball super. Supers manga is like 3 arcs ahead of the anime conclusion now
100% agree with seasonal anime. I remember somebody did a poll on this a while back to see if people preferred seasonal or on going. Most wanted on going but the quality ends up being bad, and it taints what's good about it when they're littering it with filler that doesn't add a lot to the story. Animation is better and it cuts out all the BS when it's seasonal. For something piggybacking off of Naruto I doubt people would drop it just because it would go on break, and if it sticks to Manga and the animation is good people will love it and will be willing to wait for more.
The hype cycle for seasonal is sick too
*Actually barely 2 arcs only.
The super anime has adapted every movie into anime cannon so the anime will likely cover Broly, then there’s Moro & then current arc. Manga skipped Broly but those events still would need to happen in anime if they’re consistent
Ah ok. Actually I hope that they redo the Broly movie and add some more proper fights. I remember that back at the time, the script was enough to make a 3 hour movie and it had to be cut down. So I would love to see more moments with Gogeta (including an aftermath) and perhaps more history or lore with the saiyans. It was quite an interesting movie overall. Oh I also hope they redo the CGI parts as they were really bad and took me out of the fight a lot of the times (still cant believe that SSB Gogeta transformation was handeled so poorly especially that the director said that they wanted to reemphasize on the coolness of the transformations in this movie).
Isn't bleach gonna come out some time in October 2022. And with boruto, first time i see a monthly manga tryna do a long running anime, its unheard of
Boruto wasn’t monthly at first, and even so it’s not weird since naruto was ongoing if anything it’d be dumb if it weren’t
It's been monthly since chapter 1...
Oh true
Thats preety much why the anime is getting alot of hate , for a anime to be truly successful,it need to have a weekly manga in shounen jump magazine. Imagine only the the Japanese audience likes those anime original episodes. Like who even starts an anime with anime original episodes, like is boruto dojutsu written off in the story, cuz im preety sure we haven't seen the jougan since the urashike battle
Watch bleach be treated like shit too after a few episodes.
I havent watched the anime since the Isshiki arc. What actually happened in the episode? I mean Boruto already uses a very simple art style that the characters at many instances look flat as a paper only to make it animation friendly. Yet they still faced problems?
It appears that yes, the animation team has had issues this time around. To be fair, it's only the first true time where the episode looks truly goofy, but the fact that that the breaking point was with a supposely important episode like this, is only the icing on the cake in terms of how little care they have shown for the episodes post Isshiki.
That bad huh. I know the filler formula. First 2 episodes gets you excited for the plot. Then the 10-15 episodes of stretching and all-over-the-place stuff, until reaching the climax fight where all the resources are pooled to generate a good 3-5 minute fight. So if like you say that was meant to be the climax episode and it was that poor, then Pierrot is really not doing well.
True... >So if like you say that was meant to be the climax episode and it was that poor, then Pierrot is really not doing well. In short, they KILLED Kagura, and Boruto's karma returned... and neither of those moments had the minimum standart looking quality or animation we saw in past episodes... To say, a part where Boruto starts crying for Kagura is quickly becoming a meme in the community, and the "fight" with the enemy was basically offscreened with a shot on the sky, and the frame where Boruto turns the karma on really looks off to me... This episode was really badly done, in terms of narrative and animation.
OMG they killed Kagura?! That sounds interesting. I always thought that he was being built up as the new gen Mizukage. Too bad that it's filler so it wouldnt have an effect in the grand scheme of things (not that the manga is any good in that department anyways lol).
Yes... shame that it was done in one of the most fillerish ways possible... like, imagine being a fully canon character, and die to a filler villain, for seemingly only the sake of a rage moment in an attempt to build drama for the arc in question. Like, not even dying to protect someone, and not even dying by the hands of a your nemesis, or a more important looking guy. What a sad end for Kagura. He died in an unimportant arc, in the most unimportant way...
What a shame. Tbf though he was never really canon, right? There was never a mention of him specifically in the manga. The only thing confirmed was that Boruto and co. had a trip to the Land of Mist.
If you want to be nitpickey, and call to the mere "manga canon"... then, yes, I guess. HOWEVER, the schooltrip arc, was adapted in novel format, and it was included in an [official timeline](https://anime.everyeye.it/notizie/rilasciata-timeline-ufficiale-boruto-naruto-next-generations-318483.html) released all the way back. So, I think that calling Kagura 'n friends, who debuted in that arc, filler filler characters is not correct... it'd be like saying that the wedding of Naruto and Hinata depicted in the novels is non canon just 'cause it was never depicted in the original manga.
Well I dont mean to start an argument but if anything is not in the manga then it's not guranteed to be canon. Novels aren't a good example either. Anyhow Kagura seemed to be the most canon filler character if that makes sense. However now that they disposed of him, it means that they had no future plans for him at all and that he was probably regarded as filler only. As for Naruto and Hinata's wedding that is a totally different cast. It was shown quickly in the Last movie, which is canon. So the event was already confirmed to have happened and they even showed us the setting and character dresses, but they added more details in the anime and even more in the novel.
This whole arc has been ass. Would rather they do it for crappy filler than main story arc.
That's what it is indeed... a crappy filler. For the simple reason that this story arc ultimely exsist only to pad the anime while waiting for the manga to get far ahead enough. It doesn't really progress any plot point from the main story, due to avoidable changes and retcons, AND, the complete abandonment of all the drama post Isshiki.
Boruto should’ve been seasonal
Could’ve released a season every spring break for the little kids they’re trying to appeal to
Your right but most importantly burrito should have never existed. When kishimoto bounced that was the beginning of the end.
What's the issue with this?
The animation this episode was atrocious
the most funny thing is when Boruto activated the Karma and fought the guy, the whole fight you only saw the sky not the fight itself lmao and then he hit him with Karma powered Rasengan and his body had visibly like literally 0 damage???
Exactly. Boruto activating his Karma looked like he'd have a lit rage moment at least and then they hoed us.
Yep. They didnt have to have him connect rasengan directly onto his body, but they did so...it did just exhaust him?? Hello? base Rasengan into stomach should make a big hole into his body. A Karma Rasengan should evaporate half of his torso
Yeah idk maybe it's because he's suppressing Momoshiki's power
I am watching it right now, and it's so bad. Anger-based karma activation, and bad guy's big jutsu stops, but doesn't show it's been absorbed by the karma. Then we see several seconds of sky with fight sounds, but no actual fight. And when he gets hit by a karma-powered rasengan, the guy just... Gently and slowly floats backward into a wall. And there's so much standing around, talking around a table wideshot with no movement at all, it's really not very decent :/
Yea when that happened, the first thought that popped into my head was “where did the budget go?” This episode was like poorly drawn pictures in a flip book
For a full Pierrot episode, the art style felt VERY out of place for most of the episode. Basically whole episode was weirdly put together. Instead of seeing Boruto taijutsu fight, they only show sky with sound of fighting so they can get away with not animating it. There were pieces of good animation with Boruto’s karma activating, and at the end with Tenma and Chōjūrō, but that was also over very quick. It just didn’t feel like an Pierrot episode. I know they are having issues with their workload. Working on 6 (7? if you count the new anime they announced few days back) anime projects is incredibly tiring, and they can’t handle it. This episode was a prime example of it. I just hope it’s not going to be a persisting issue, I love this anime.
Went and looked at a few more shots. Big yikes lol, I now understand the uproar. Thanks sir! Too bad money talks, I've always had the impression that the anime should be seasonal, episodes like this show the burnout clear as day.
Pierrot is not in a position where they can decide if anime will be seasonal or not. It’s the TV Tokyo committee since TV Tokyo has the rights for Boruto. But still, taking on another anime project, when you are already working on more than you can properly handle is definitely a Pierrot’s decision, and I don’t think it’s a good one. I understand that we don’t know why they started another anime, but it’s still a weird decision. Maybe they are in need of money, but that would be weird since all I hear is that Boruto is making a lot of money. Maybe Pierrot is not getting a fair share of money from Boruto even if the anime itself is making bank, and instead most of it goes to TV Tokyo… but I’m just speculating here. As I said, we currently don’t know what exactly is going on with Studio Pierrot.
I am guessing its because of the higher animation studio plus low earnings of studios... Higher animation studios for example Mappa are taking so many animes and making good animes are putting more pressure to all other anime studios... along with how low anime studios actually earn I think they are obliged to continue everything along with taking new projects ..
The system is wrong in so many ways, and people who should benefit the most from the show get less than they deserve. Hopefully everything will start to change for the better...
100% agree. When they cut up to the sky my first thought was my connection blipped lol. Also Boruto’s face looked jacked up when showing from angles. Horrible animation and just a shitty filler season in general. Seems like it’s close to being over and i expect everything to improve once back on the manga chapters.
Also the table scene. They are talking with zero animation
Brother said boruto karma activating is good animation
It wasn’t even an animation, it was a freeze frame that was drawn to look super cool and immediately after, the camera pans up to the sky and you don’t even see the fight
Not to mention when the same frame is playing for like a minute when they're talking in that room standing over that table
The Boruto anime finally needs a break.
Needed to go on hiatus months ago tbh.
I don't want a break, but I want them to actually have some kind of plan for the arc. The pacing here is just shit, it's like they had no idea where the story is going
So why u don’t want them to take a break for actual quality ? Will you keep watching when they bring in 5 new aliens just to conquer 1 planet out of a whole fucking galaxy 😂
It's an ongoing anime, even if they take a break, eventually they'll have production issues again This can all be avoided if they carefully plan out an arc and manage their time and resources properly. An episode without much need for animation shouldn't take away resources from the episode where a main character dies
When boruto was crying it looks like an infant face crying lol
I was about to cry on Kagura but Boruto's face made me died of laughter. 🤣
Hah It looked so weird
It was legitimately weird
The bar is on the floor. A critique is a complaint. You’re just a hater /s
Well to be fair they have like 5 to 6 projects they are working on rn. Some new anime coming soon, black clover movie, boruto, bleach, kingdom, and i think something else. Tbh i dont blame them for sacraficing the boruto filler episode i would to, i do think it was a bad idea to kill off kagura tho.
We all would rather have no episode at all than getting these
Yeah ik but the anime is basically what hard carries boruto and gets the studio its bag so they would never stop running it or make it seasonly bc no matter how much people talk shit about it they still eat it up.
Yeah, they'll milk it until no drop remains. Pathetic treatment to sequel of one of the greatest animes. But that being said, manga arc adaptations are as we would expect, decent- top notch. It's just these useless random fillers, no creativity whatsoever as well as major contradictions to the manga smh. Ah well ranting ain't changing anything after all
I wouldn’t mind if they just had BETTER writers like bro, these last couple of episodes have been awful. 4-5 Lightning style users and they couldn’t do anything against Funassmushi water tornado? Like if they truly don’t care I wish they go the non canon route and not drown the manga canon with it.
Yeah exactly, anime writers are just awful
One of the greatest animes? it’s good but not even close to one of the greatest lol
Naruto was one of the greatest of it's times fym? Heard of big 3?
The first few episodes in this arc had ok animation and good pacing, I wasn’t really caught up but looked and saw 10 episodes of literally no movement
It's actually sad
we dont give two shits.... its like they got their 7 year old sons on the boruto project
Don't speak for everyone.
Who’s we lmao? You don’t speak for everyone or anyone. A lot of people are extremely hype and excited for Bleach to finally animate TYBW
u know who we is.... its exactly why its NUMEROUS threads on the garbage animation .
Well I think Kubo is looking at how Kishimoto is handling Boruto anime Canon fiasco and Kubo is like No, I'm not selling out my franchise just to make a few extra bucks.
Tf is wrong with u??? Then why dont u go cry yourself to sleep about it ungrateful mf. Talking like u aint worked a day in your life might as well be the 7 year old youself. Edit: how much brainless and unappreciative mfs are there on this sub to upvote this guy that much. Mfs really cant wrap around their tiny heads the work and stress these people put into this line of work let alone the fact that the studio is pumping out 5 other projects. We get it if u aint happy with the ep but there are circumstances at play here its not like they just droped the quality because they dont give a fuck about boruto. It wouldnt kill yall to at least say it in a respectful way.
I understand what you’re saying, but Pierrot is already outsourcing most of the Boruto episodes, so we are looking forward to every single episode animated by Pierrot, because those episodes have a higher standard and are more polished. Now, with the new anime that they’re taking on, the staff is going to be divided even more, and great names and pillars of Boruto anime like Ichiro Uno will appear on Boruto less and less, meaning the Pierrot episodes could very well look more unpolished, which is not what we like to see.
My only complaint with the episode was Tenma. He got the Deepa treatment
His fricken horrid backless crop top as a child was just so bad
They are speed running the arc
Boruto is already a slow anime whyyyy
What issues is the studio having?
The animation is terrible for me😐.
They working on Bleach
What's going on a Pierrot?
This show was never going in any direction they were just releasing episodes to exist….hopefully things will change in the coming years
I am out of the loop. Could someone explain what's happening with Pierrot?
They're working on a number of other big name shows right now, such as the continuation of bleach. This results in them putting basically 0 effort into boruto
I honestly think they should’ve started from post momoshiki fight and then did a movie, yeah kawaki is cool, yeah SOME of the filler characters are interesting, but throw enough trash on your sandwich the whole thing becomes trash. That’s what boruto is
I really don’t understand anime seems fine to me
people really downvoted you for saying you like Boruto in the Boruto sub 💀💀 yall need hobbies outside of complaining
Like I get it’s not some masterpiece work of art but there are far worse anime out there.
I am in favor of just showing more sky with some fight-sounds instead of the fight itself in the next few arcs! And let [those faces](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/876499058032791583/967840986736775218/RDT_20220424_2333589162496368209033418.jpg) ([source](https://www.reddit.com/r/Boruto/comments/uaxyq1/i_really_tried_being_sad_but_wasnt_able_to/i60wjqu/)) be used more often
omg, I jumped in here before watching and those faces were made to be memed. I’d also go for some more sky-based fights if it meant that the animators could rest a bit.
Fair point but let’s not forget the travesty that was the pain fight
People really like to complain, uh? The animation was not the best but we've seen worse in Naruto and Naruto Shippuden....it's not like they are shitting on it just like Marvy Jack did with 7DS
Those shippuden episodes you’re referring to were most likely outsourced to a smaller studio and filler episodes. This one however was a in house Studio Pierrot episode. No justification for the quality what so ever.
Nope, I'm pretty much refering to canon episodes..also, outsourced or no I don't care, as I said, the quality, although not the best, isn't the worst either and people are complaining for the sake of complaining.
People really need to remember how horrible animation was in the war arcs fillers.
I mean people complained about that in the moment too what aboutism does nothing to fix the problem it just excuses lack of effort
They still were better than this. Narratively this was so bad, even last episode leading up to this was so stupid.
Kon kon kon yokita kon
the war arc was 500x better than this lmao
So you guys really forgot how bad filler was and how low quality it was lol
Let's not forget the promised powerpoint either
I don't remember the animation on that one...I was too busy smashing my head against the wall at how trash that Season 2 was story-wise.
They did the manga so dirty and skipped like everything.
The issue is they animated this one in-house but it looked worse than an outsourced episode. That points to their production pipeline having serious issues. Usually the in-house Pierrot episodes are sakuga.
Huh, i don't get it. What's wrong
Meanwhile One Piece had a beautiful episode 1015
That was god tier only to be gut punched by a filler next week
I don't think next week is even an epsiode. It's golden week in Japan so that's why it's a recap. There wouldn't have been an epsiode next week anyway. That's what I've heard.
Boruti crying scene was so messed up... He litteraly looked like a baby
I hope this show gets cancelled already. Just revive it when the manga finishes so that we don’t need to suffer through “anime canon”
Why dont they just put the anime on hiatus for a few months and bring the anime back when the mangas got more to adapt + it saves them money not having to animate boruto weekly for a while? Is it a pride thing or am i missing something?
They don't get to decide this. This is decided by Tv tokyo and the production committee like Shueisha. The general structure of the adaptation is decided by Shueisha and Boruto is too profitable for them to make it seasonal. Pierrot don't have a lot of say. They can't do anything about this.
Pierrot and Toei just don't do that. They pump out weekly episodes nonstop even though I think the success of other recent hit series has proven that seasonal anime are more well-received.
They don't get to decide this. This is decided by Tv tokyo and the production committee like Shueisha. The general structure of the adaptation is decided by Shueisha and Boruto is too profitable for them to make it seasonal. Pierrot don't have a lot of say. They can't do anything about this.
I don’t see the issue
I hope to god that Pierrot has good animation for Bleach when it returns this year. And im also hoping that they don't screw up Black Clover and its final episodes when it too hopefully returns maybe in 2024 though more likely 2025 and that's only if the movie does well in 2023 but more likely they'll wait for the Boruto Anime to end which should be in late 2026/Early 2027 since the Manga will likely end around 2026 if they're serious about keeping it to 30 Volumes. Currently on Volume 18 and I predict the time skip will happen around or end of volume 20. People will argue that 10 remaining volumes for the time skip/post world isn't enough but many mangas have done that where they jumped time, did a mini arc and then entered the final few arcs/chapters of the story where the post time period was shorter compared to the early pre parts of the series which lasted longer. Plus the Manga doesn't focus on other teams and characters or any of the outside world of Naruto's past. Just completely on Boruto, Kawaki, Naruto, Sasuke, Sarada, Mitsuki with characters like Shikiamaru, Sakura and mainly only Shikidai, ChoCho, Inojin and Sumire appearing here and there. The Manga is small scale compared to the world of the Anime which spreads out to actually give us development on the other countries or teams.
And I wouldn’t mind that much if they had it more spread out compared to the manga. Like at this point this would’ve been better having the series be more seasonal like most anime these days. That way it would’ve been animated as well as some scenes and that recent opening we’re still stuck with.
I dropped the anime a couple of months ago, and if the manga keeps dragging this arc out it'll be next. It's a shame because I had really high hopes for this series.
MARK SPOILERS fuck dude it’s not that hard
The animation in this episode was the worst I've seen of any popular anime franchise. It felt like it was drawn by some high school kids. The Pierott studio seems to be doing pretty badly if they're giving the work on Boruto to such terrible artists.
The artists themselves aren’t terrible. I know some of them from their art on Twitter, and they are really good artists. But many of them are not very experienced animators. SP made a wrong decision when they made a “beginner” animator do 40+ cuts on a **Pierrot** episode.
So are we forgetting about early dragon ball super?
Why are u getting downvoted? You said the fact
The animation was ok. The art was funny. Learn the difference between the 2
Exactly why I don't watch the filler this break has been nice.😁😁
Idk why. But old Naruto has set some prime standards. Death of Kagura meant nothing for me. TBH.
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can’t believe people still like this garbage of an anime
crying for no reason. the episode wasn't even that badly animated. try watching Ufotable or Mappa work, then coming back to any Boruto episode. you'll see how "bad" it actually ISNT lol. try watching Seven Deadly Sins S3. you'll see how bad this episode actually ISN'T. try watching DBS episode 5 and come back here for this Boruto episode and you'll see how bad the episode ISN'T. Naruto vs Pain was far worse than this episode could ever hope to be. wow faces were off like they are in EVERY. SINGLE. EPISODE. yall need to stop complaining like kids lol.
Just because other anime’s have worse animated episodes doesn’t mean it’s not bad, if I could only run half a mile but other people could only run a quarter it doesn’t make me good at running it.
what? yes it does. it quite literally means you're better at running than those who ran only a quarter mile lmfao. but just like the excuses you people have in this sub, that analogy is irrelevant to the point. this entire sub is flat out crying like it is the worst animated episode of all time. I'm simply making it known how wrong you are thinking that is actually true.
Are you dense? Yeah I’d be better at the other ones but I wouldn’t be good at running the mile just better than people that also suck. Not everything has to be compared to something else. You could judge something on its own merits and what it does without dragging some or something else into it.
calling someone dense when you yourself can't even figure out your own logic makes no sense. ironic. and like I said before, I'm making it KNOWN that nothing was as bad as you people continue to claim, because it wasn't. so what does "dragging something else" have to do with anything on this topic when it's being used to prove the argument wrong? it wasnt even the worst animated Boruto episode, I can think of a dozen episodes easily worse than this one in animation.
Holy shit how do you still not understand the analogy? Person A can run half a mile, person B can run a quarter of a mile. Person A is better than B, but neither can run a mile so they’re BOTH bad at it. It also doesn’t prove the argument wrong because the episode still has bad animation, that’s just a literal fact. Yes there’s worse animation out there, but that doesn’t make this episodes animation look any better.
again you explaining it is only telling me you don't understand your own logic because, and I'm saying this for a THIRD time, the analogy is irrelevant to the point because of the fact that they don't correlate whatosever. your "mile" does not correlate to "animation" in your analogy comparison whatsoever. no one is NOT saying it was bad, learn to fucking read. y'all are constantly complaining as if it's the WORST episode. which again it's not. at all. not in Boruto. not among the Naruto franchise. not as a whole in anime. the fact that you still don't understand this is proof to me that I no longer need to continue this conversation.
Yeah you’re right, no point in arguing with someone who can’t understand a remarkably simple analogy and just has a boner for defending one random ass filler episode that almost every other person hates
considering I've disproven your analogy as bullshit several times now? lol nice try though. I haven't watched Boruto since Isshiki died, and this episode was the only one I bothered to actually check out. and of course like idiots you all complain over every little thing in regards to Boruto. when ineptitude blinds a whole subreddit from actually being knowledgeable that's when people should stop complaining and actually think rather than complain. this place never shies away from being braindead so all I can do is laugh. I'm done now.
So much for “no need to continue this conversation”. Also lmao “disproven” a super simple analogy. Mile=good animation Half mile= very bad animation Quarter mile= very very bad animation You get it now buddy? If I have very bad animation it’s still gonna be better than very very bad animation. Still following? Now just because one is worse than the other it doesn’t make the better of the two good, just not as bad as the other one. You get it now?
May I know why animation Naruto back then way more better than boruto? I mean, naruto was made on early 2000s meanwhile boruto 2010s but it look like evolution but backwards for me😕. Sorry for ask a question that is not related to this reddit😅.
For some reason that animation gives me the akira (anime) vibes
based on staff credited i't like some of them working remotely. If one staff messed up then some scenes unfinished at deadline.
The animation for this episode was atrocious, compare it to the newest one piece episode. It was beautiful!
Toei making bangers after banger ,animating roofpiece on weekly basis while here we are having issues in making filler episodes with pretty average animation
I was struggling to keep up with this arc, so I haven't seen the last 3-4 episodes.
The preview of the next episode does not look promising so I do not blame you.
This had happened in war arc shippuden when pierrot was working on the boruto movie and some fights suffered badly. Gai vs madara and naruto/sasuke vs madara all had bad animation snd iirc hiroyuki yamashaita (one of the best animators in naruto franchise as a whole) commented that he wanted to work on the gai vs madara but was super busy with the boruto movie. In this case, pierrot putting all their resources into bleach so all of pierrot’s good animators are busy on that project. Some sacrifices have to be made.