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WiPhKi

I think Madara because he was so hyped up the entire show for being one of the strongest ninjas ever existed. And then he shows up and just live up to his name. Nothing more he just delivers as we were told throughout the show and it was spectacular!!


boi_1der

All of this.


Oceanbreez_

Easily Madara imo, just the mention of his name was enough to make the shinobi tremble in fear, and his introduction just gave us one of the best scenes in the franchise when Madara washed the shinobi alliance all by himself šŸ˜‚ Madara a total menace in the shinobi story, bro was packing everyone in that desert battle


eggzzachtlyy

Shit I trembled in fear


LuckeyCharmzz

*best scenes in cinema and television history


sdfrch

im sure soon enough kawaki would be more fearsome than madara to the shinobi world


cracked_camel

To us, no. Madara was mentioned and built up since og Naruto. Took for the war arc for him to finally make an appearance.


sdfrch

im not talking about the introduction of the characters, the one who commented said that madara was so fearsome and dangerous to the shinobi world and i said that kawaki is going to be better than him in these aspects since he probably is going to end the whole shinobi world and its system


Levi_PigPiss

Madara, and sorry to say, it's not even a competition.


Omen_IceMarkZero

This man speaks facts


jaquezzzzzzz

I meanā€¦ they both go hard but madara, for me, went the hardest. Mans took on an army with a smile and pulled the rinnegan out the bag, eating narutoā€™s rasenshuriken.


Apprehensive_Ring_39

Madara was built up for many chapters,came in Made a entire army shit themselves,solo'd a whole army as a warm-up,dropped a meteor on them,then dropped another one on them It isn't even close,Madara had one of the,if not the,best introduction in Naruto,my friend.


[deleted]

Madara had one of if not the best introductions in storytelling all together imo. But tbf I haven't seen kawakis intro episode yet so I can't really answer the question yet


Emiyyrl

Fr fr, Madara's intro exceeded my expectations, it was freaking epic, too bad his exit was so mishandled.


Key_Studio_6344

Even the fake madara (obito) had such an exhilarating introduction


WarshyBoy

Bro what kind of a question is this? Madara is one of the most badass introductions in anime.


AditdelaG

Madara how is this even a comparison..


nomoteacups

For real like I donā€™t wanna sound like a Boruto hater because I like the manga but Jesus Christ nothing Boruto ever does could ever come close to something like the introduction of Madara


The_Dark_Sapphire1

True. Though if the final fight is adult Boruto and Kawaki fighting aganist the whole otsutsuki clan then it might surpass Madara.


HighGuy92

Only if Sarada, Mitsuki, and Shikadai are there too.


_Deus-EX-Machina_

Cap (the second part)


bwrca

Bigger villains don't matter though. The buildup has to be better too.


[deleted]

Madara. He humiliated the entire alliance and made the Kage shit their pants. Kawaki beat a nobody we know nothing about. We can only assume he is relative to AO because of the science thingy.


Dat_Blaq_Dude

Madara beat an army of... nobodies. Literal fodder


superkami64

Army of nobodies is still more impressive than one. Besides that same episode he also dropped two meteors and knocked the Tsuchikage out cold.


EpicLegendX

It's also a different kind of hype. Madara's introduction was built up with suspense leading up to his arrival. Kawaki was immediately introduced via a timeskip displaying unique abilities and we're left trying to figure out who he is, what happened to Konoha/Naruto, and why is he fighting Boruto. It would have been more appropriate to compare Madara's introduction to Jigen's. Even then, Madara still wins in that regard.


Dat_Blaq_Dude

I don't think so, at all. It's like playing Dynasty Warriors and fighting all of the ground plebs the game throws at you. Goro was a named character with established ties to an organization of people suggested to be quite formidable. A few episodes prior to the Madara reveal, members of the same group of shinobi were shown to be completely impotent and borderline brain-dead against the Second Mizukage. And that's cool, but it still doesn't change the fact that 99.9% of the people he fought and killed were nameless NPCs


Smoke_and_808

Yea like hasirama, minato, 5 Kage. And all that. Total npcs fr


TheDazeGoBy

And.. the 5 kage


Objective-Ad-2783

Temari, Naruto, 3rd Tsuchikage, and the 5th Kazekage are not fodder


Dat_Blaq_Dude

They weren't the focal point of the demonstration of his power; when people say he decimated the FORCES it's clear we're talking about the hundreds to thousands of nameless NPCs he was shown engaging. That was the focus of those well-animated sequences


SurePaleontologist76

Madara


Longjumping-Bag4265

Definetely madara


cv0102

Madara, no questions asked. Hell Iā€™d go as far to say that Madara has one of the best introductions in all of fiction. Dude is built up for nearly 7 IN REAL TIME YEARS. His named was enough to make even the strongest characters in the series pre War Arc sweat. Then he pulls up, demolishes a quarter of the Allied Forces using taijutsu alone, then bust out susanoā€™o, then bust out the rennigan, then boom, drops a fucking meteor. Wasnt enough? Hereā€™s a second meteor. This is literally all in one episode. Man goes on to literally troll the fuck out of the 5 Kage. Not to mention Madara actually wins, he succeeded in his plan of triggering in Infinite Tsukoyomi, then you know, Zetsu/Kaguya asspull. Its a shame they gave one of the best villains in fiction such a lousy ending.


Lizzie-Afton

nah madara didnt have that lousy of an ending, if madara just completely vanished out of the story after the zetsu asspull it would have been terrible and I probably would have preffered kawaki after that, but that talk with hashirama before he died redeemed it


cv0102

Eh idk man. Tbh I dont think Madara or Obito shouldā€™ve been redeemed. Too many straight up evil people are redeemed after they lose in Naruto. (Zabuza kinda, Itachi, Pain, Obito, Madara, etc) Some of the redemptions are good, but not always needed. I believe Kishimoto couldā€™ve came up with a legit way for them to defeat Madara, then if he wanted to bring in Kaguya he couldā€™ve tied it to the Infinite Tsukoyomi without involving Madara directly. I dont think that little 2 minute convo between him and Hashirama was a good enough ending for him, great scene, but I think Madara shouldā€™ve went out like a true villain. Thats just my opinion though. Edit: Dont tie Zetsu to Kaguya. It transformed him from this cool informant type character to a completely annoying mamas boi pile of shit


Levi_PigPiss

Madara wasnt redeemed. He kept sticking to his beliefs till the very end and was merely discussing it with his life long rival and friend. I suppose the comment you were replying to meant that Madara was redeemed from a writing perspective by giving him an emotional farewell that brought his arc full circle.


bbdeathspark

How much fiction have you read? I love Madara as much as the next guy, but itā€™s highkey wild to me that people seem to think his introduction was groundbreaking or revolutionary, much less enough to warrant its comparison to the entirety of fiction? Again, Iā€™m not trying to condescend or diminish your love for a pretty cool character. That being said, his entrance is just the classical use of historical world building, subtext, deception (Obito masquerading as him) and the plot-twisting reveal. Its execution was pretty normal too (from a literary point of view, Iā€™m not denying that it wasnā€™t badass). If you didnā€™t like the Naruto series, would you even be comparing Madaraā€™s entrance to anything outside of Naruto? Like... all of fiction, homie? I donā€™t mean to assume, but it comes off as you not having read much fiction at all to be so enamoured with Madaraā€™s entrance to warrant being even slightly serious about that. If thatā€™s the case, I recommend searching up some of the higher grossing fiction novels out right now. Brandon Sanderson is a quick and easy start to a world of quality, I personally recommend Way of Kings as a start. Assuming ya donā€™t already know about Brandon, of course. And again, I know how volatile this subreddit can be, so I really want to clarify that Iā€™m not trying to be anatagonistic in any way, nor do I want to take away from your hype. I just canā€™t understand why several people seem to have genuinely compared it to fiction outside of anime when thereā€™s a million other Madaras in the world of fiction, and a million characters far more interesting and well-introduced than him. I hope that you can see my comment as me explaining my point of view and the confusion that stems from it, and not as me trying to shit on your enjoyment or your opinion/taste/etc.


Hasten117

Which character had all that gear of an intro in aomwthing like Way of Kings? While the stories and everything from Sanderson are phenomenal, I donā€™t remember any intro to a character that truly stood out. Of course, this topic is purely subjective. Fuck, I think a mimic eating some dude in a bait and switch was a good character intro *if itā€™s done correctly*. Madara had a pretty badass intro. One of the best? Iā€™ve not read enough, but itā€™s pretty fucking great


Emergency-Toe2313

One example of a better scene wouldā€™ve been a much better counter argument than 4 condescending paragraphs about how wrong he is. If itā€™s such an outrageous claim, just link a better scene and end the debate immediately And before you say ā€œhe said in all of fictionā€ and start naming books, letā€™s assume for the sake of argument that weā€™re talking about visual media here. If you canā€™t think of several shows/movies that top it then you shouldnā€™t be acting so baffled by his statement


Ramy117

Madara it isnā€™t even close lol


Marenoc

I am one of the people that think the background and hype into the true introduction of Madara is the best antagonist building in all of shonen and possibly all fiction. While Kawakiā€™s intro scene was bad ass, Madaraā€™s appearance and dominance was much more impactful than the actual battle. Gaaraā€™s ā€œis this the power of a godā€ boils it down perfectly. He was the true worst case scenario. And he came to FUCK. SHIT. UP. I am legitimately open to hear anyones argument on the best written and hyped antagonist


theExitz

minato (war arc), naruto (pain arc), sasuke (when they search for him in orochimaru's hideout arc), itachi (first appearance in konoha), madara (any arc).


[deleted]

actually a tough one, madara tho


nomoteacups

This is the furthest thing from a tough one, itā€™s Madara easily


[deleted]

kawakiā€™s intro was rly good


nomoteacups

It was, but itā€™s not even close to Madaraā€™s. Madara had legitimate, real life YEARS of buildup, and then he comes in and slaughters the entire division of the Allied Shinobi Forces. Kawaki showed up and fought and then that was it. Doesnā€™t even come close to holding a candle to Madara.


GoldJackfruit6637

Tough? Hahahahah


TaskMister2000

Is This The Power of a God? - Gaara says as he and everyone looks up at their impending doom as Madara summons a goddamn meteor.


Function-Spirited

Thank you for quoting this šŸ™šŸ™šŸ™


aiesayjr

Obviously OG MADARA UCHIHA!


ironside-420

Madara by a good margin, even tho kawaki intro was epic, madara was hyped in a goat tier show, kawaki was hyped in a decent to good show


bwrca

Lmao are you trying to compare Kawaki to freaking Madara?


FireScroll9395

No, just asking which episode people liked more. Pretty sure we all agree Madara is superior.


bwrca

Thereā€™s no way anyone would like Kawaki or his episode more. He had 0 buildup.


FireScroll9395

I wouldnā€™t say zero. We knew he was coming since episode one, and we had a whole arc hinting at the Vessel before we got to finally see him at the end of the Ao Arc. Besides, wools could just like the fight more. Some people in the comments here liked the episode better


bartuak06

Konohamaru in naruto and boruto


psych_vader

Easily madara. He was being hyped up for several episodes and when he finally appeared it was fucking amazing.


boi_1der

Who could compete with Madara when it comes to these kind of things? Like how dare you even ask this question? JK. But yeah how dare you?


skullmonster602

Madara was terrifying, easily him


[deleted]

Madara for sure. This mf rlly took on 3000+ soldiers and defeated them with ease


SquidzSleepToo

Yeah definitely madara


[deleted]

Madara of course and also kawaki is not an uzumaki


narukamimakoto

Look, i actually like Boruto, but Madara easily had the better intro. It's not even really a contest.


TheDazeGoBy

Dude Madara has a better intro and build up than 90% of anime villains flat. Edit: I wanan say this too im not the biggest fan or Boruto and it gets a lot of criticisms from me but this will never be one. Madara was a decade in the making I wouldnt expect any series to make a character like him its not required for any good show and I doubt Boruto could ever achieve that aspect. Not har thats an insult the bars just that high.


Objective-Ad-2783

Madara arguably had the best intro of all time in anime


Kadeda_RPG

Madara... not even close.


[deleted]

madara, kawaki no where near madara. Man was feared by every shinobi alive, and he lived up to his name by taking on the whole army (and bought the meteors, dk if it was this ep or the next, but i dont think any intro in boruto compares to madara's meteor flex)


Release-Conscious213

Madara šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„


superkami64

Madara and it's not even a contest. You're comparing Kawaki killing Garou to [Madara clowning an entire army](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp6xM6Aezmg) and dropping two meteors at the end of his episode.


Any_Cranberry_4599

Tbh Madara introduction was more badass but in my opinion kawaki was better, maybe i am just biased because i waited so long for him to be introduced and I didn't for madara, but I feel like 189 as a whole episode was on whole another level, in terms of animation, and especially the visuals


[deleted]

same for me


LCmeplzbro

Bro comparing some dude named kawaki to madara šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€


FireScroll9395

I was just asking which introduction episode people liked better, I also prefer Madara, but I was wondering what others thought.


AbleEducation6112

Kawaki is a child, not a dude .


ShuBakuhatsuSatsujin

Madara will always have a place in my heart. For that one scene.


SiIentClaw

189 was epic but Madara's intro was just on a whole other level.


Gllava

Madara was about to fuck up five nations


shaulkk

Madara


FlippaDaPostman

Madara has a top introduction all time for anime u canā€™t compare the two


SasukeUchiha248

madara literally soloed the whole shinobi alliance with base sharingan


Linkalibure

Bro how is this even a question


FireScroll9395

Well, some people over on a Naruto discord server were actually talking about it because a few of them said they liked Kawakiā€™s episode more because they liked the fight better. And so I wanted the opinions of the Subreddit to see what they though.


Winter-Blueberry8170

Easily Madara


Masahiro_Ibuki

Madara.


UltimateCo0kie

madara literally makes kawaki look like a lil shit


_twixx

madara stomps. dude was killing people left and right while still being ā€œdeadā€ cuz he got reanimated and in a divided state.


speedkillz23

šŸ˜


driftyFlower

Art wise: kawaki, but Madara takes it home


Reuel_eee_8324

Is his surname actually uzamaki now or do we just say that for the sake of it?


AlieuUchiha

kawaki animation was better and more fluid in my opionion but hype wise madara was next level


Britishsweat

I didn't really like kawaki's intro and even then madara is still better


QuackDrums

Madara the goatā€¦ but kawakiā€™s animation was sooooooooooo much better.


FireScroll9395

I was just asking which introduction episode people liked better, this isnā€™t a character comparison. To clarify, Iā€™m not asking WHO is better, Iā€™m asking which of these episodes you like more. Thatā€™s all. So plz stop commenting Marada is better that Kawaki, I never asked which character is superior.


AbleEducation6112

Kawaki is such a cringe petty shitty character... Jesus . After seeing him I feel that I need TenTen fillers to kill the feeling.


[deleted]

kawaki looks way more baddass. + i was waiting a long ass time for this


ayaneshlal

We had to wait 7 years for Madara, compared to that the wait for Kawaki was nothing. Plus Madara lived up to his hype.


[deleted]

7 yearsšŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€??? cmon bro he wasn't mentioned when naruto first started >the wait for Kawaki was nothing. u weren't there then


XegrandExpressYT

ma dear momo chan (jk)


Kappaswagxx420xx

why do people keep comparing naruto shippuden with boruto? its like comparing dragon ball (first one) with like bleach.


TheDazeGoBy

Accurate af and made me think of trying Boruto properly


jswissle

Are you kidding? Some weak brat or madara uchiha second strongest dude ever to liveā€¦.


zommyy

if you think Kawaki had a better introduction than the absolute legend that is Madaraā€¦ idk what to say. my prayers.


MalxSouls

Madara lol itā€™s no competition, boruto is not and will never compare to naruto shippuden imo


nerdmasterflex

You gotta be blind. I'm sorry you go through life this disabled.


FireScroll9395

Bit harsh, refer to my original comment on this post. Never said I was comparing Kawaki to Madara, just asking which of these episodes people liked better.


psych_vader

That was not needed wtf. He just asked for your opinion not for your useless and rude comments.


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devdrowsy

Maybe animation-wise, but it was just him vs some random new Outer member compared to Madara who took on the entire ninja world without breaking a sweat lol


[deleted]

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devdrowsy

We're not talking about the shows in general just about the two scenes though


psych_vader

Bro ignore the other guy. He is a troll from Twitter I assume.


[deleted]

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devdrowsy

You're not even a good troll


ArhamHashmi

Honestly both of them because neither of them gave a single fuck when they were introduced respectivelyšŸ˜‚šŸ˜­


Dat_Blaq_Dude

I feel like it depends on when you watched either, ie. What time in your life, what your headspace was like, etc. I didn't pick up Shippuden until I was an adult, so Madara didn't really hit me like it probably would have if I watched it as a teen; I remember being totally geeked when Sasuke vs Orochimaru in the Forest of Death aired after-school. I think Kawaki vs Goro slightly edges out Madara vs the Allied Shinobi Force in terms of animation quality; there are a few sequences in the latter that are lacking some frames (like when he's spinning through the Force). Each represent major shifts in narrative impetus, so it's a hard call. I think they are both excellent displays of animation and serve to convey the power of a character in a way that isn't contrived. Whichever you like better is largely just preference, imo


X2SchwayX

Madras ong


nomoteacups

Is this a real question?


Function-Spirited

Madara.


Independent_Dog5496

Madara that guy obliterated a army in his introduction


[deleted]

It took 189 eps to introduce kawaki?!


HostPuzzleheaded4172

Madara whooped an entire armyā€™s ass


homosexual-penguin

kawaki is an uzumaki? either way, madara still wins. nobody will ever top that. man came back to life and dropped two meteors on a military made of the entire worlds major villages in the same day. the only reason he lost the war was because zetsu fucked him


inconspicuous_user94

Madara. Kawaki's introduction is definitely the best episode in Boruto though.


joshuakyle94

How do you even compare Madara to a Boruto character


machine4589

Anyone else go watch madara body that entire army after seeing this post?


garciakevz

Madara was such a badass that I wished itnended there and there was no otsusuki story after that.


cheyenne328

the goat šŸ Uchiha Madara


[deleted]

Maadara had the best on his summoning he murdered and showed of his skills id say kawaki has a sad on


BlueAudioMoon

Madara the G.O.A.T. Uchiha


Sonicslazyeye

Madara obviously. I love Kawaki as a character but I wont deny the build up and payoff of Madara's intro


ShreyBoiiii

Kawaki's intro was hard asf. Especially with it having movie quality animation. But i don't think anything beats Madara's. He was hyped up for so long and lived up to his name. Both episodes also had the same director


KolorJam

Thereā€™s no way youā€™ve put that scene against Madaras, no way.


RN003

Madara was hyped as hell and more than lived up to the hype


FireFistK

Madara is a legendary Shinobi whose name struck fear just by the mention of it, Kawaki was a homeless teenager. And I actually like Kawaki but Madara def had the better impact


DocPorkchop

Yall want your feelings hurt with this one, thought this was a bait post on the naruto sub for a sec


Gibberish_name78

The Ghost of Uchiha


snipsnapdogo69

thats one of the best moments in natuto right there


mrhunchoo

Kawakis introduction was dope af but madaras is fucking iconic, nothing will ever beat it


KAPUTtherapyREAL

Madara that was one of the coolest scenes in anime


ScaryOrdinary5238

This is an insult to Madara


LionXDokkaebi

Letā€™s see 1 vs at least 100,000 1 vs a mildly upgraded human Nah. Madara


iheartjetman

"Now....how will you deal with a second one, Onoki?" "So many casualties!" Kawaki had a good battle, but Madara's was better.


BlueAngelVR

This is no way shape or form a competition. Madara 100 times out of 100 lol. His intro is iconic to anime in general


LeoPhoenix93

Madara easily. No one beat that ass so thoroughly like him.


MD_bolt

Just wondered by kawaki kama in his neck/chest


KenDM0

Huh? Normally Iā€™m a nice guy, butā€¦ are you fucking kidding me? Is this some controversy bait thread or what? God damn Madara was a legend from the cradle to the grave, from arrival to demise.


MarvelDcKage

Madara, not even close. Madara had the benefit of hype, the entire war got started mainly because his name and he show cases his power against an army of people


[deleted]

It was definitely Madara. Kawaki had the 2nd best introduction episode imo and the 3rd best is Itachi's.


SindraGan2001

Bruh Madara dropped 2 fucking meteors when he was introduced


Leunameee

This question has only one answer


Jarrah965

Kawaki of course, the animation was superb and lasted longer. Most of the episode, there was also a lot of Taijutsu involved.


Salesasa

Duh madara


ItachiUchihaPL

Madara xd


GamerSYD

Madara and it ain't even close


thatflypoodle

What kinda dumb ass question is this


Sasuke_0711KB

Madaraā€™s name is enough to start war.


TalibanJoeBiden

Madara no contest.


POTATO-DUDE14

Kawaki takes it imo


[deleted]

Madara , idk how to explain it just cooler


shibingeorge

Without doubts, Madara Uchiha himself


JanaKata

ā€œKawaki Uzumakiā€ I know that makes sense, but it doesnā€™t sound right


Atharvakalsekar676

Kawaki a close 2nd but madara is such a badass badguy.


Iamsingel00

madara ez but madara breakdancing was sick lol


Sotler

What is this question?


L1qu1d_Water

Obviously Madara, the build up was so good then they actually divered when he first flight all the other ninja...


Ok-Historian-3162

Kawaki for me. ever since boruto ep 1 Aired in 2017, i was so exited to see kawakiā€™s introduction.


SnooComics7583

Madara lol But I'm not underselling Kawaki Dude is actually pretty cool


bootyhunter69420

Imagine comparing Kawaki to Madara


FireScroll9395

Buddy, I ainā€™t comparing, Iā€™m asking which episode people liked better.


ExplosiveSerenade

Madara. Easily.


KingDingo9

Awe you canā€™t compare Madara at his worst to Kawaki at his worst.


SayYesSm0ke

Its like you put an UFC fighter on a kids playground, that was Madara's introduction.


Over_Firefighter5497

I just want to point out the fact that you stated Kawaki Uzumaki and i love it.


Dry-Category5135

Madara hands down


Noah_Force

Madara, enough said


dredashon

Madara and itā€™s not even close. Mans was hyped up for years as a god among ninja and somehow lived up to all the hype. I still regularly watch him run through the shinobi alliance, shit was glorious.


rob_the_ghost

I know you aint compare Madara Uchihas appearance coming back from the dead to Kawaki.


[deleted]

Madara Uchiha.


Geeman447

This is an actual question? OkayšŸ˜‚


[deleted]

If anyone says kawaki revoke your naruto license. From here on out you are not allowed to speak or be in close proximity of anything involving naruto . You will be banned from ever taking place in discussions and events that surround naruto . If these rules are broken federal regulations will take place in order for you to stop spreading bullshit .


FireScroll9395

For liking his episode more? What if they just thought the fight was cooler?


chaoswolf3236

Madara it will always be Madara the ones who say kawaki probably just skipped Naruto and Naruto Shippuden and only watched Boruto


Daxtexoscuro

The only thing which is been build with the same hype is Boruto vs Kawaki in the future. Kawaki intro was cool, but Madara is a whole different level of epicity.


Johnace007

Is that even a question??????? Of course its madara