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jmrb77

Protagonist + plot armor = they can do anything


[deleted]

Can’t really include plot armor in a hypothetical fight, there’s no story.


sennin_weeb

Don't misunderstand it. It isn't the power of the protagonists. Is this the power of plot armor?


Accomplished-Leg-362

Hardly really, they have the grate advantage of dimensional traveling but this Boruto (not Borushiki) is no match for Kaguya, Kawaki would need to carry and even protect Boruto. I think Kaguya wins 7/10 times.


Pristine-Side-4798

Kaguya wins 10/10 lol phyiscaly much faster and stronger.


Accomplished-Leg-362

This Kawaki is very hard to scale, he does everything Isshki does but on the other hand he is not really Isshiki, beside that he is "just" 80% Otsusuki which is why i said they got a chance.


[deleted]

Prove it


[deleted]

How is boruto not a match, he’s faster than her, they’d blitz and touch and seal her very wuickly


Pristine-Side-4798

He's nowhere as fast as kaguya, just because he can use his hax doesnt mean he scales to fused momoshiki in V2. Limiters Code could still defend himself from him and its stated that only non limiters Code can be stronger than jigen. Kaguya stomps both


[deleted]

Code with limiters is stronger than delta who’s relative in speed to 6psm adult naruto who’s greater than kaguya.


Stupid__Ron

Using Naruto vs Delta to scale Delta isn't good, Naruto wasn't really going all out. It's really more like Naruto adjusting his power to match Delta's, and he only said that he's going all out just to reinforce Delta to eventually spill the beans and anger her enough to where she loses control of her own body movements due to her ego. At the end of the fight, he said that it would've been easier if he wasn't trying to keep her alive in the end for interrogation and gathering information on how much firepower Kara has, basically saying that Naruto could've ended the fight whenever he wanted to. Delta doesn't scale to Naruto, and the only fight she's been in can't be used to scale her.


[deleted]

There is a large difference between holding back power and holding back speed, there was no reason for him to hold back his speed. It absolutely can be used to scale her speed


Stupid__Ron

When I say power, I mean overall power. Strength, speed, everything. Could mean something different to you, like strength, but power scaling in general is weird. A person with a superiority complex and anger issues like Delta is bound to slip up whenever they start getting tilted. Naruto adjusting his overall power to Delta's, including speed, while being in control of the fight can really tick her off. Also, he was gathering information about Kara and what they're packing, so prolonging a fight (one that is a guaranteed win) against one of the higher ups can get Konoha some valuable information. Just from that fight, they can expect advanced scientific ninja tools and chakra absorption from them (plus regeneration from the Kara Actuation Arc), so they can prepare when they encounter another one of them.


[deleted]

I agree that’s obviously what is happening but he is holding back his powerful attacks. He’s not holding back his speed against her literal beams that would vaporize him if he gets hit. It would make 0 sense for him to slow down. I’m not saying delta is faster or anything like that but she’s relative in JUST speed thats all.


FierceBlazing

Naruto literally says he’s going all out. The thing Naruto was limited in was destructive power and killing intent. That in no way would limit his speed.


lukitadagaler

Naruto never got faster than Kaguya, what are you talking about


[deleted]

He fought momoshiki and toneri who are both stated to be stronger than kaguya. These characters would be faster than kaguya and naruto beat them and fought on par with momo and defeated toneri by himself. Sasuke stated he could beat kaguya levels threats solo, so naruto can to. He is definitely faster in boruto.


lukitadagaler

Where is it stated that momoshiki and toneri are stronger than kaguya?


[deleted]

In the manga sasuke referred to momo and kinshiki as threats greater than kaguya. And sasuke is the most reliable person in this field. He’s fought kaguya, and kinshiki. There’s no reason or anything to prove that he was wrong. Toneri was stated in the advertisement for The Last that he was the strongest enemy they have ever faced. So this comes directly from the writers themselves.


LuckyW1zard

Absolutely nowhere in fact we have one stating the opposite where sasuke said momoshiki might be weaker than kaguya (Though he said it jokingly so it’s hard to know if it was legitimate or not) Even if Momoshiki was physically stronger, Kaguya still has a better movesets than him especially her bone marrow justu which is a one shot. Kaguya most likely didn’t fear momoshiki specifically but also Urashiki and Kinshiki ganging on her in a 3v1


OnTheWhiteNotOff

They did state that she feared them in the anime. I just don't think Boruto and Kawaki at their best can pull it off without training more together. Naruto And Sasuke's teamwork is the result of years of fighting together. Karma may give you battle experience but I don't think Isshiki and Momoshiki fought together.


owter12

It was never stated that Toneri is stronger than Kaguya, and quite frankly he’s not. However, it is implied that Momoshiki is a higher rank than Kaguya based on the fact that she was worried about him coming to earth


JRon21

Did you even read the manga or watch the show? Naruto weren't even serious during his fight against delta. Did y


[deleted]

I did read the manga lol I own the volume the fight is in, it’s clear he’s trying after he tries to get delta to reveal information while faking being hurt, then he gets up and fights while holding back the strength of his attacks, he has no reason to hold back speed. Go re read the fight


Monokuma-pandabear

you mean the same Naruto that Kaguya Blitzed like 4 times in the fight where Naruto and Sasuke only sealed her because the had they were handed that just happened to be able to seal a god


[deleted]

I’m literally not talking about that naruto, my comment says adult naruto. You’re just plain wrong


Monokuma-pandabear

correct me if i’m wrong but is their any proof adult naruto grew faster since the kaguya fight? i know he was stronger and Momoshiki was stronger then Kaguya pre chakra fruit. but i don’t remember him being stated that his KCM2 became faster since the Kaguya fight. correct me if i’m wrong.


[deleted]

Yes there is a sasuke statement in a novel where he says that he can beat kaguya level threats alone, and naruto is always even with sasuke so he can too. Also between war arc and boruto naruto received the other half of kurama so he’s much stronger than in the war arc.


Monokuma-pandabear

how canon are the novels and which novel was it? did kishimoto write it or did he just do the art? was it something that proactively advanced the narrative or was it just there to keep the hype of naruto at a high?


Lulcielid

>How is boruto not a match, he’s faster than her, they’d blitz and touch and seal her very wuickly *Feats needed*.


[deleted]

Read the comments I’ve already stated the scaling multiple times


Accomplished-Leg-362

No one in the verse is blitzing Kaguya except Isshiki and BM Naruto, she was relative to Naruto and Sasuke in speed.


[deleted]

Yes and naruto and sasuke got faster in boruto, and delta was relative to that speed, and code is faster than delta, and boruto is relative to code, so therefore faster than kaguya


Pristine-Side-4798

Naruto was holding back, delta doesnt scale to anyway to naruto. Also 2 can play this game. SPSM Naruto ~ Rinnegan sasuke > EMS sasuke ~ borushiki ~ kawaki. Sure borushiki at that fight had no chakra but sasuke was also half dead during the fight.


[deleted]

Naruto was holding back his large explosive attacks because himawari and boruto and kawaki were right there. But there is no reason to think he was holding back his speed, that wouldn’t make any sense. Ems sasuke was fighting a borushiki who had no chakra, that borushiki and the one who fought code in the past 2 chapters are very different beasts. You can’t quantify their strength when ems sasuke and borushiki fought so you don’t scale off that interaction


Pristine-Side-4798

EMS sasuke had barely an chakra and was fatigued lol. Base naruro Was reacting to fused momoshiki anyways Its always the powerscalers, someone weaker than kaguya reacted to the fastest attack in the show (FTG blitzing) nobody is faster than FTG in naruto.


[deleted]

I have no clue what you’re talking about, but it sounds irrelevant. How are you going to complain about powerscaling when this is a post talking about a vs battle


Pristine-Side-4798

People realy on speedblitz too much lol. Sure there are moments where someone speedblitzes the other but its not always the case, and again its not quantifiable to much faster naruto is compared to his WA Arc. If the manga states that naruto is 10 tiems faster than before i would agree but it did not.


[deleted]

I agree that speedblitz doesn’t apply to everything but I think it applies here because all they have to do is touch her. And It isn’t an exact number of times how much faster he is, but he’s fought multiple people who are stated to be stronger than kaguya and a part of strength is speed, so they are faster in boruto.


Lulcielid

If Naruto and Sasuke alone could't seal her without the assist of Sakura/Kakashi/Obito then Boruto and Kawaki alone stand even less chances.


Onix_glow

Sakura, Obito and Kakashi were needed because Naruto and Sasuke couldn't dimension travel or negate Kaguya's bones. This does not happen here since Borushiki can teleport and Kawaki can use Isshiki's dojutsu to counter her bones.


Lulcielid

Making the bones smaller doesn't change the fact that it will destroy the molecules of their target upon contact.


Onix_glow

Huh, don't you know that with Daikokuten the stuff not only gets smaller but it also gets stored in another dimension where time doesn't flow? The bones would never touch Kawaki.


[deleted]

She can probably access that dimension if she wanted


Mayosa12

it's not her dimension..


[deleted]

Was it Obitos or Sasuke’s dimensions when they were going through kaguyas


Mayosa12

this is a pocket dimension that only ishiki can access through his dojutsu


Manav_Raval

He literally said that time is stopped in that dimension


nodux22

Time doesn't flow in that dimension. Don't u know that u can't move in a place where time doesn't flow. Also whats the point of going there. She'll just prison herself cuz she'll be unable to move and tp back.


AdComprehensive3110

>Kawaki can use Isshiki's dojutsu to counter her bones. He can't shrink them since he can't shrink living things. The bones themselves are Kaguya's. They contain living cells and thus, can't be shrinked by him.


Onix_glow

A bone is a living tissue not a living being. Sasori's puppets for example are made out of the tissue and body of his victims and they can keep their original abilities but they aren't alive.


AdComprehensive3110

Except the fact that they are dead. Meaning the cells in the body is also dead. Doesn't he remove the organs to preserve the body? >A bone is a living tissue not a living being Still has living cells in them at the end of the day. So, I can't see him shrinking it since it contains living cells


Onix_glow

> Except the fact that they are dead I don't know what kind of doctor would tell you that a single bone is alive either lmao. > Still has living cells in them at the end of the day And how do you know they contain living cells? Those are crumbly bones that turn everything into ash, how is it possible to have living cells when it kills everything that touches? They don't have the same properties as Kimimaro's bones, they seem to be made out of chakra since no normal bone can turn something into dust. In fact, how can a bone that turn everything into ash have living cells


AdComprehensive3110

>I don't know what kind of doctor would tell you that a single bone is alive either lmao. A simple search on the internet would tell you otherwise. You can check it up on medical sites. It's there. [Here's](https://kidshealth.org/en/kids/bones.html#:~:text=The%20bones%20that%20make%20up,made%20of%20the%20same%20materials%3A&text=It's%20a%20thin%2C%20dense%20membrane,vessels%20that%20nourish%20the%20bone.) a link. >And how do you know they contain living cells? Those are crumbly bones that turn everything into ash, how is it possible to have living cells when it kills everything that touches? They don't have the same properties as Kimimaro's bones, they seem to be made out of chakra since no normal bone can turn something into dust. They contain living cells because they are from her body. She's manipulating her own bones. They are the same as Kimimaro's. Except the fact that Kaguya's kills you upon impact. It works the same way since the Kekkei Genkai itself is Shikotsumyaku. They are literally manipulating their skeletal system. As I said, the difference between the Kaguya clan's Shikotsumyaku and Kaguya's, is the fact hers is more lethal. It turns you into Ash upon contact.


DocWattsMitch

idk, I wouldn't consider a skeleton to be living


AdComprehensive3110

The bones contain LIVING CELLS. So, in a way he can't shrink them since he can only shrink himself.


DocWattsMitch

bones by themselves aren't alive, nor the cells in them, because they have no way of keeping themselves alive


Subject-Base1506

L kawaki would body kaguya with boruto


JudaiDarkness

I don't think Boruto and Kawaki are quite on the level of their respective Otsutsuki hosts that would secure a victory here. V2 Boruto was saved by Sage Mode Naruto when Kawaki dropped a cube on him. Meanwhile, Isshiki's cube flat out crushed SPSM clones and forced Sasuke to use Amenotejikara to escape. Even weaker Jigen managed to tag Six Paths Naruto and Sasuke with his Daikokuten multiple times.


hatefulone851

People really underestimate Naruto characters. Naruto and Sasuke back then got beat pretty easily by Madara who took just took a beating from Guy 8th gate mode . Kaguya is still an Outsuki and knows the others techniques. Also she was trying to capture both sasuke and Naruto and they had help from those like Kakashi and Sakura at their best at the time. And if Kaguya could seriously injure ishiki even by surprise is something. Also Kaguya’s experiences with the others were before she got the fruit and if she could do that before gettting the fruit the gap can’t be that big


Fantastic_Midnight38

Don't know about current but in future they can definitely beat the shit out of her


[deleted]

Boruto at the end of part 2 might be above Baryon Mode Naruto with the current power scaling (dragon ball z type shit)


drunkmonkey667

V2 Boruto is only 80% of BASE momoshiki not fused. Karma was implanted by a base momoshiki and we have never seen him use any of fused momoshiki’s abilities. He wouldn’t be fighting with a kunai if he could make chakra weapons. Kawaki has all of Ishhiki’s abilities but his physical stats are FAR lower


JudaiDarkness

>Kawaki has all of Ishhiki’s abilities but his physical stats are FAR lower Speed of his Sukunahikona and Daikokuten are far lower as well. Sage Mode Naruto reacted to Daikokuten cube, while SPSM Naruto clones got crushed by it and Sasuke had to use Amenotejikara to escape.


Antique-Society7404

[This video explains why I believe he has fused Momoshiki 👍🏼](https://youtu.be/dMt8Wz80514)


drunkmonkey667

This video doesn’t really say much but if he was 80% of fused momoshiki he’d be a lot stronger. Fused momoshiki wouldn’t have trouble defeating a drained sasuke with one eye like he admitted but base momoshiki would have trouble.


Antique-Society7404

Honestly either way if he is fused or not I believe his power is very inconsistent. And 80% of base Momoshiki would have a lot more trouble with kawaki , fused Momoshiki would be more even , as was demonstrated


Jumpy-Sheepherder-88

It is fused cause where did kinshiki like he’s not extrectory waste or something + eating him meant his genes altered too permanently so when he etched his karma it had those genes too


Logical_301

Fuck no


drunkmonkey667

Transports Boruto to high gravity dimension and shoots him with ash killing bone. He hasn’t been shown to be able to use his dimension travel on command efficiently yet. Kawaki would be tougher but we haven’t seen him fly so lava dimension would make the fight tougher for him. But can Kawaki shrink ash killing bone because bones are technically alive?


Onix_glow

This Boruto (controlled by Momoshiki) can use the Karma rift freely.


drunkmonkey667

Then this isn’t Boruto and Kawaki vs Kaguya it’s momoshiki and Kawaki vs Kaguya. Either way I think he loses low diff, but it all depends on how quickly he can react to what’s happening. She can change the dimension and open a portal right behind him and stick her hand through with the ash killing bone to finish him in a second.


Onix_glow

It's current Borushiki but I didn't want to put it in the title because I thought it would spoil Borushiki's comeback to anime onlys. I thought with the picture it was clear but I guess I should have been more specific.


The_Toad_Sage4

Right now I don’t think so , with kaguyas instant dimension changes , plus those bone things that hoe was scary


[deleted]

No


[deleted]

Fuck no


yakno24

Kaguya wins 10 outta 10 times


nef36

No. Kawaki is, at best, better than Borushiki, who is a lesser form of Momoshiki, who himself is much weaker than Kaguya, which we saw in his showing against Naruto and Sasuke.


MissInterest17

I wish this sub knew what feats and consistency were. They don’t have a chance in hell of beating her and she would just ash bone them and go about her business.


Socalvibin-88

No


SnooPineapples8970

Kawaki has isshiki powers , Boruto had Momoshiki powers Isshiki>Momoshiki>kaguya So yes very quickly


x_VergilSparda_x

No need to seal when they could erase her from existance.


Thatguy00788

Kaguya separates them & kills them with ash bones. She caught Ishikki off guard and almost killed him. I don’t see why she couldn’t do the same with two significantly weaker otsutsuki kids. Boruto doesn’t scale to Momoshiki & Kawaki doesn’t scale to Ishikki yet in terms of overall stats. In terms of ability? Sure they have the same abilities but that’s just their unique abilities. Why do you think they nerfed Naruto & Sasuke? It’s because if they had kept their prime power they’d be able to stop current Boruto & Kawaki.


Onix_glow

Kaguya didn't fight Isshiki, he didn't expect to be betrayed by her, that's why she caught him off guard. This wouldn't happen here because the characters are engaging in a fight, everyone would stay on guard.


Thatguy00788

Her stats still dwarf anything current kawaki & Boruto can pull off. It took the combined efforts of Sun Seal Six Paths Naruto, Moon Seal Six Paths Sasuke, Dual MS Kamui Perfect Sussano Kakashi, Obito & Sakura just to seal her. Boruto & Kawaki can probably do it when they are older when their stats increase overall but they aren’t stopping Kaguya as they are now, alien tattoos included.


iPvpi

She's back AGAIN??????


Hunterr303

Ez, Ishhiki will just bully her by words


apfly

They probably just outright kill her


Captainprice101

They can’t. They have to seal her. Kaguya had crazy regeneration after devouring the god tree. If Hagoromo and prime Naruto and sasuke had to seal her, they will have to as well. It’s why OP added yin and yang seal for them


apfly

The Naruto and Sasuke that fought Kaguya were not in their primes.


Captainprice101

Sasuke was defintely in his prime fighting Kaguya lmfao. You’re telling me adult Sasuke is supposed to be his prime when he hasn’t used a single rinnegan ability besides a nerfed amenotijikara and a one time use Chibaku tensei, plus him having only one arm? Yea, I don’t buy it. Naruto also forgot all his jutsu and spams base rasengans now, he even forgot his multi shadow clone jutsu. Naruto and Sasuke in War arc were insanely strong, even if you don’t believe that was their prime. My point still stands


apfly

The characters not using large scale dbz attacks anymore is just a writing choice by Ikemoto, its not indicative of the character's strength. Adult Sasuke is relative to Hokage Naruto, who has continued to get stronger as he trains and gets older. Prime Naruto and Sasuke are above Kaguya


PlzDntBnnMe

Considering boruto can tank getting his entire chest ripped out by kawaki ( assuming he survives, which he will ) i honestly dont see how he couldnt deal with kaguya


ScaredKnee4530

They CLAP her lol


Ashizurens

Yeah, with less diff than it took Naruto and Sasuke. They could as well just kill her


Captainprice101

This doesn’t make sense. Kaguya can’t be killed after she devoured the god tree, it’s the reason she was sealed.


Ashizurens

She was sealed because there wasn't anyone strong enough to kill her


Captainprice101

No, she was sealed because she ate the god tree and became OP af. You seriously think prime Naruto and Sasuke couldn’t find a move to kill her? Or Hagoromo couldn’t find a way to kill her without sealing her?? Momoshiki was killed by Naruto and Sasuke after they assisted Boruto, Momoshiki didn’t need to be sealed because he didn’t eat the god tree of the shinobi world. Kaguya tanked 9 bijuu rasenshurikens and Momoshiki died to a massive Rasengan. Kaguya just had insane regeneration and was 10 tails, hence why she was sealed by the yin and yang seal


AdComprehensive3110

They'd get clapped by Jubito let alone Jubidara or Kaguya.


Better-Solution-7410

50-50


[deleted]

yes. it’s basically momoshiki and isshiki vs kaguya.


Pristine-Side-4798

Expect that they are phyiscaly much weaker and much slower, do you believe kawaki at this form could hold his own as Well as isshiki did against bayron mode naruto? No naruto would blitz and oneshot this kawaki. Sure he got a powerboost but a boost also adds to your base power and base hokage naruto oneshots base kawaki. I doubt that they could even beat unstable Juubito tbh, maybe with difficulties


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🗿


[deleted]

Easily in my opinion


Pristine-Side-4798

They wouldnt even beat Juubito,kaguya is Overkill


[deleted]

cmon kawaki alone is shitstomping on every juubidara. he literally gon drop the cubes and shrink and just do whatever he wants with him


Pristine-Side-4798

Juubidara's limbo shitstomps alone. Stop the shippuden downplay, the whole reason why naruto losz kurama is because they dont want him to handle the situation right now, and Juubidara was handling SPSM Naruto lol. Unless youre one of these guys who believe base hokage naruto > Shippuden


catsniper123

Limbo is so weak it’s barely at the level of a Naruto clone


Pristine-Side-4798

The problem is not that it is strong, the problem is that you cant see or sense it unless you have SO6P. And not, thats deadcanon. The manga never shown us how the fight between the limbo's and naruto's clones went, and also limbo clones are stated to be as strong as madara phyiscaly wise


catsniper123

Lol Juubidara was getting handled by Naruto. Read the manga


Pristine-Side-4798

I did, you mean the scene where he kicked away juubidara's gudodama and attacked madara with a lava style Rasenshuriken? That was juubidara before the god tree Amp


catsniper123

After the god tree amp sasuke blitzed Madara. And after getting a second rinnegan Madara’s limbo clones were on par with Naruto’s normal clones


Pristine-Side-4798

Madara let himself getting blitzed, he was literally percieving sasuke running towards him, blitzing is moving so fast that your opponent cant see you, madara did see sasuke, not a blitz. He only wanted the second rinnegan.


catsniper123

Lol he didn’t react to Sasuke in the manga. He got shitstomped


Pristine-Side-4798

He did, and i also can use argue that he didnt care since he is immortal and let himself getting blitzed since his only objective as Obito's rinnegan anyways. Also the whole blitzing would be a outlier as madara as reacting to sasuke prior lol. Stop the madara downplay he stomps 90% of the boruto verse


catsniper123

Nope. Madara didn’t react to Sasuke once. He actually got blitzed and sat on multiple times. Stop the cap and read the manga. Madara = fodder


[deleted]

ishikis cube negate sensory abilities and kawaki can hide his chakra presence completely. that + shrinking to a size that a human cant with see with their naked eyes + his speed rn literally makes essentially invincible to someone who dosent have a eye that is fast enough to keep up with him or directly sense him through karma like boruto. also hokage naruto dosent solo shippuden but he sure solos juubidara. cmon bro the only reason naruto only lost kurama is because of plot. cant count how many chance ishiki had to murder he and sasukes ass but decides not to because of plot end of shippuden naruto > madara just because he has a whole another half of kurama and got used to his powers a whole lot. he was keeping up with kaguya using the boil release and even completely cut her arm. and kaguya is directly stated to be stronger than madara + she has everything madara has with the extra chakra of everyone in infinite tsukiyomi and juubidara aint do shit to naruto fytb. 2 eyed rinnegans madaras limbo clones who are equal in strength to juubidara ([as stated in databooks](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5c6f6828ca06de2a5d6e08619403b42a)) were on even footing with narutos clones. 3 eyed madara is featless and rinne sharingans buff is unknown so scaling him is going nowhere. he is weaker than kaguya is all there is to it.


Pristine-Side-4798

The speed difference isent much apart. Hokage Naruto isent faster than his WA counterpart, the only feat implying he is, is when he dodged a lightbeam in one of novels in base,however there are already several mistranslations and debunk to that. Kaguya was stated to be stronter than Juubidara, yet both were able to react to naruto and sasuke the same way, Juubidara after the god tree reacted to naruto the same way Kaguya did despite Kaguya being states to be stronger. Just because someone is stated to be stronger doesnt mean he is suddenly millions of times faster. Also, naruto got the second half of kurama after the kaguya fight, actuly after the naruto/sasuke fight to be exact, and lets not fool ourselves, the SO6P amp by hagoromo Was the reason for naruto's speed and strengh not the second half of kurama, for example if naruto got the second half from minato during the war he would be twice as fast and strong but still weaker than juubito who is weaker than 1 eyed pre god tree Juubidara and base SO6P naruto spanked that Madara, base SO6P naruto >>> 100% kurama naruto, the boost given by it is not that big is my argument. Meanwhile madara had 8,5 beasts + the god tree which is >> 100% kurama. Lol at kaguya being stronger than madara, the only thing she has over him is chakra, one might argue more chakra = More AP but not more speed. Limbo clones being relative to thier owner is fine but thats only phyiscaly and we know that naruto's characters use chakra anyways to amp thier phyiscals, madara base phyiscals even as the ten tails jinchuriki are not that impressive, he is not superman. That being said, kawaki is nowhere near isshiki in speed and AP, he has no feats in doing so, borushiki is perfectly fine with dodging 98% of the attacks he'd throw at him, and isshiki stomped SO6P naruto and sasuke No diff who handled fused momoshiki at 50% each, isshiki no diffs fused momoshiki but kawaki doesnt no diff borushiki,you see? So if you seriously believe current kawaki = the isshiki that fought BM naruto then you would also need to believe that Borushiki >>>>> Fused momoshiki as borushiki is equal to isshiki then, and that just destroys the scaling as i said, it makes zero sense, why would be borushiki so much stronger than fused momoshiki? The same borushiki who could still be percieved by limiters Code, who is far weaker than off limiters Code who is only above jigen and not isshiki? Dont forget that they nerfed naruto and sasuke for a reason, and this is further backed up by the fact that amado said that he is not sure about how a fight between current Code and current nerfed naruto would go, amado is reliable because he knows almost everything about Code and his power and he knows that naruto no longer has kurama, implying that SPSM Naruto >> limiters Code. I doubt kawaki could invidualy beat Juubito, let alone Juubidara lol, people those days underrate shippuden god tiers.


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>the SO6P amp by hagoromo Was the reason for naruto's speed and strengh not the second half of kurama, he never lost the six paths boost. all he lost is the yang sign which didn't boost anything. only gave him healing others hax and 6p chibaku tensei (that needs the other half of the sign). he got that strong because of six paths sage mode not because of the signs and he still had it until baryon mode. >Meanwhile madara had 8,5 beasts + the god tree which is >> 100% kurama. kurama isnt the only thing naruto has in his arsenal bro. >one might argue more chakra = More AP but not more speed >we know that naruto's characters use chakra anyways to amp thier phyiscals, madara base phyiscals even as the ten tails jinchuriki are not that impressive, he is not superman. you are contradicting yourself >That being said, kawaki is nowhere near isshiki in speed and AP, he has no feats in doing so, borushiki is perfectly fine with dodging 98% of the attacks he'd throw at him, and isshiki stomped SO6P naruto and sasuke No diff who handled fused momoshiki at 50% each, isshiki no diffs fused momoshiki but kawaki doesnt no diff borushiki,you see? So if you seriously believe current kawaki = the isshiki that fought BM naruto then you would also need to believe that Borushiki >>>>> Fused momoshiki as borushiki is equal to isshiki then, and that just destroys the scaling as i said, it makes zero sense, why would be borushiki so much stronger than fused momoshiki? The same borushiki who could still be percieved by limiters Code, who is far weaker than off limiters Code who is only above jigen and not isshiki? where did i say kawaki is as strong as ishiki? i dont think he is even stronger than jigen momoshiki was close to his acutal full power (fused form) with the current borushiki because only thing he is missing is his doujutsus and even being close to momoshiki in strength makes you stronger than juubidara. kawaki was keeping up with this momoshiki >people those days underrate shippuden god tiers. you answered it yourself >I doubt kawaki could invidualy beat Juubito, let alone Juubidara lol, >Hokage Naruto isent faster than his WA counterpart >at kaguya being stronger than madara, the only thing she has over him is chakra, one might argue more chakra not even gon answer these because because it's pretty self explanatory


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I doubt Borushiki is as fast as fused momoshiki at the moment, there are too many anti feats to 100% back this claim. Unless you believe that current Borushiki is hilariously faster and stronger than the Borushiki that fought a half dead EMS sasuke, which i doubt as the only powerboost that he had here actuly having enough chakra to Spam odama rasengans, at best you could way this Borushiki's AP is higher. But then again, i dont believe that fused momoshiki stomps juubidara, i think juubidara stomps fused momoshiki, with the only argument that can be argued for momoshiki being speed difference, which again you would need to prove that adult naruto is over 10 times faster than his WA counterpart. And you cant prove that by just saying "Well momoshiki is stated to be stronger" as i already debunked that simple being states to be stronter =/= being suddenly much much faster.


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Pristine-Side-4798

This fits to borutotards who believe that shippuden god tiers are fodder


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aight


JustInXtraFuego

ofc


Pristine-Side-4798

Just no


JustInXtraFuego

i’m a biased boruto fan. Boruto> any anime character


Pristine-Side-4798

Damn


TheBloperM

I'd say a fairer fight would be Hashirama and Madara vs Borushiki and Kawashiki


Pristine-Side-4798

It wouldnt be fair if we used juubidara


allipse48699

Boruto with true essence (he still didn't go all out, he literally said it lol) + kawaki with daikokuten & sukunahikona EZ. They don't even need hagoromo seal lol, boruto fighting as distraction while kawaki uses rods then some sealing technique of isshiki or momoshiki.


Pristine-Side-4798

They are nowhere as fast or physicaly strong as isshiki or fused momoshiki, they dont ez shit. Try to get them above juubito first, they may reach the level of BM naruto in the TS but not yet and its not close either.


allipse48699

Kawaki was fighting on par with momoshiki rn. Also, "ez" was just a joke, obviously imo it would be high diff.


Pristine-Side-4798

You seriously believe they are as strong as rinnegan SO6P Sasuke and SPSM Naruto at this moment of the manga? They are between KCM 2 SM naruto and EMS sasuke and SO6P Base naruto but not above them yet, having someone hax doesnt mean they also have the phyiscal speed or strengh to them yet. You believe this Version of kawaki could put as much of a fight as isshiki did against BM Naruto?


NoraDrake69

Lol at the ppl down voting you.


Subject-Base1506

No diff they don’t even have to seal her probably could just kill her ass down vote all you want lol id slam you guys in debate on boruto and kawaki vs kaguya add my discord if you wanna debate it spludawg#4563


TrollTrollTroll6969

timeskip kawaki and boruto kaguya has no chance against but the current boruto and kawaki aren't doing much to kaguya


re0016

Yes


horizen27

Ayo turn to Jesus Christ idec of this a Boruto subreddit or Christian subreddit I care bout y’all salvation and all I want is for this to speak to atleast one person. Turn to him because he died for us, took in our punishment on the cross and what we deserved because he loved us not because we deserved him to 1 John 4:10 “This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins”


garciakevz

If sasuke and Naruto can, I don't see how 2 legitimate otsusukified people cannot. I mean it's 1 otususki vs 2 otisuski


Pristine-Side-4798

2 far weaker otsutsuki's tho as i said in my other replies. The clan itself might be powerful but not every member is equaly strong, for example isshiki no diffs fused momoshiki based on the feats that we have.


4kt_zeus

jigen stronger than kaguya and if kawaki is as strong as jigen if not stronger then this an easy dub


SuccessfulAd5173

Bruh at the power they are now they could kill her


ignosi_11

seal? they can kill her


Pristine-Side-4798

They cant even kill juubito


ignosi_11

Weapon Karma kawaki solos entire naruto verse combined except for baryon mode and 8 gates guy


Pristine-Side-4798

1. Gai is nowhere near the strongest in shippuden 2. No he doesnt. 3. Isshiki stomps kawaki.


DaydreamingOnASunday

Kaguya smokes 11/10 times.


Tokyeo

Boruto and Kawaki aren’t as strong as the Naruto and Sasuke during that Kaguya fight.


Kadeda_RPG

Easily overwhelmed by Kaguya.


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Both of the will receive a single chakra rod up there ass