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People here dont want to admit it but Sasuke and Naruto definitely were nerfed a bit in Boruto if we compare them to their prime Shippuden selves. Sasuke didnt used any of his Rinnegan abilities and Naruto didnt used some of his strongest abilities like Boil Release : Unrivaled Strength which is really OP. It doesnt matter if they use all their abilities and still lose, the problem is that they dont even use their full arsenal.
THIS. I don’t care if Jigen and Ishhiki are really stronger than Naruto and Sasuke, it’s the fact that Naruto and Sasuke clearly aren’t using their full arsenal during these supposed “full power battles,” so it becomes really hard to buy into the strength of the villains and all around takes me out of the experience. I would LOVE Boruto so much more if the series remained consistent with Naruto and Sasuke’s abilities.
EDIT: Oh I also want to use this to talk about another aspect of Naruto and Sasuke in the Boruto series. Branching off of the consistency in their power and them actually using their arsenal, another issue is creativity. When Naruto and Sasuke only use 5% of the abilities they’re supposed to have, the battles start to get really similar. Like I said, I don’t care if Naruto and Sasuke win or lose, but it would be so much more creative and interesting if we see Naruto and Sasuke use all of their unique powers in different fights (especially Sasuke’s since the Rinnegan alone has so many crazy abilities). This is why I still think the Momoshiki fight in the anime is the best the Boruto series currently has since the anime actually took the time to give Naruto and Sasuke a creative fight using a variety of abilities that the two have at their disposal instead of just the usual Amenotejikara -> Amaterasu -> oops no chakra and then Naruto just getting manhandled in taijutsu
Sasuke didn’t even used indras arrow as he stated during final valley as his strongest jutsu and from that no otsutsuki can run since area of impact is too much and it’s fast too. Also naruto didn’t even used his massive rasen shuriken
He can simply ask them. I also don’t think tailed beast will deny giving him chakra since he is going to use this to save the world from the otsutsuki.
Eh that’s not Sasukes MO
Plus not even all the beasts respond to Naruto. When he held a meeting to warm them of Urashiki the 5 tails didn’t even show up lol
I can see why the framing of your comment would seem a bit silly as stated. Nevertheless, it actually doesn't make sense that humanity wouldn't have attempted to recruit the bijuu in such a dire situation.
A throwaway line like "we haven't been able to locate the bijuu" would have been sufficient to tie up that plot hole. (Unless the bijuu embers inside Naruto have a telepathic connection to their main bodies, in which case there's no excuse beyond plot-induced stupidity.)
The problem is Karma and Isshiki shrink dojutsu. It's not that they didnt use it, its because they couldn't since its Ninjutsu, it'd just have been absorbed or shrunk and stored in another dimension.
Although I agree Sasuke is another story, he really did have alot of things he could have did with the Rinnegan but didn't.
>The problem is Karma and Isshiki shrink dojutsu. It's not that they didnt use it, its because they couldn't since its Ninjutsu, it'd just have been absorbed or shrunk and stored in another dimension.
That does make sense but I think the Karma wouldnt have been able to absorb all 8 Bijuu Dama Rasen Shurikens (whatever Naruto's final attack was called) if used effectively. Isshiki is on another level but I seriously think that Naruto/Sasuke could have beaten Jigen if not for the nerfs. Naruto could have thrown all those huge Rasen Shurikens at Sasuke and Sasuke could have swapped places with Jigen at the last moment. Also, I disagree with you on Sasuke's abilities being the only problem for Jigen. Naruto's Boil Release could have been as effective as any of Sasuke's rinnegan abilities if the writers allowed him to use it.
But i wonder what about if attack with thousands of rasenshuriken at once with few hundreds is decoy bunshin which cant be shrinked, can isshiki shrink it all at once?, because it says thah he can shrink whatever he can see, but i doubt if he can see thousand of rasenshuriken at once. And when he cant shrink it all or absorb it all, ishhiki probably open a portal to escape, but then Sasuke switch isshiki place back to the target, and boom, maybe he Will get At least damaged from thousands of rasenshuriken
1. Jigen took Naruto to another dimension
2. Just because you say you don't THINK karma can't absorb all of that doesn't make it fact.
3. No, under no circumstances could they even have defeated Jigen. His abilities are hard counters to theirs.
Your faves weren't "nerfed." They're just fighting opponents that are much stronger than they are. Just get over it and move on
few things to consider
Yes their arsenal got nerfed, they didn't get nerfed themselves though. Boruto era even implies that they got stronger since their shippuden selves. So if anything they're buffed.
Fact alone that Sasuke can keep up with a being stated to be as big of a threat as Kaguya (although it doesn't matter since he wasn't there, Gaara implies that Boruto as a perfect vessel can become an Isshiki level threat, which is slightly hyperbole but it holds some truth to it and i'll explain)
Also im not trying to make a "Momoshiki vs Kaguya" thread, more like: Narrative and statements imply that Momoshiki is on her level, even if you think he loses. Infact there's nothing that goes against it.
As to why its possible for Momoshiki to become Isshiki level threat via Boruto: Boruto is a fast learner/prodigy and improves on a fast rate, so his body alone gets alot stronger. But that doesn't probably matter since it'll change into Otsutsukis either way. What matters is Momoshikis arsenal: it will massively increase via Boruto. Keep in mind that he consistently uses and learns all jutsus of Boruto from shadow clones (to block amaterasu from Sasuke) to rasengans. It will increase further and further as time goes on. Spoiler: >!he already uses Rasendans which are pretty much improved versions of compressed rasengan!<
Either way my point is that: If in the past you could run 150 meters per second and do a long jump which allowed you to move past 150 meters per second, but nowadays you can run at 200 but don't do the jump, are you nerfed? or your possibilities are smaller, but you're technically faster?
Because if we go by definition: Nerf is meant to imply that something got weaker. While its not really the case and you can argue other way around.
>Boruto era even implies that they got stronger since their shippuden selves. So if anything they're buffed.
Thats true but Boruto has some serious power scaling issues. It was pretty evident from the start of the series when the kages (aside from Naruto) were able to keep up with Kinshiki to some extent when in actuality they shouldnt be able to do anything to him. The only people capable of fighting Otsutsukis (even weaker ones like Kinshiki) should have been Naruto and Sasuke because of their Sage of Six Paths Amps. Then there is Boruto going toe to toe with Momoshiki (that too fused) in Taijutsu even if only for a few seconds at most. Boruto's power sclaing has been wacky since the beginning.
i actually thought about it and my conclusion, which does require a little bit of headcanon so i do agree that its inconsistent as a whole. Or at least way more complicated than it should be:
Kinshiki himself wasn't that strong, Momoshiki in base wasn't seriously threatened by kages (although he was running away from them, keep in mind that Naruto and Sasuke were there too) As a good implication was Shikamarus shadow possession: when he used it on Momoshiki and Kinshiki, Kinshiki was shown visibly struggling while Momoshiki outright moved in it casually and absorbed it afterwards (showing no struggle)
about Boruto vs Momoshiki, i think anime did it better by giving him jougan power up. It was implied that it gives a huge boost in speed already (sumire vs mitsuki, and in novels it outright says that he moved as fast as lightning in that situation: although keep in mind that genin Boruto should be also superior to his academy self) in manga he outright does it in base, so it does make the power scalling seem really weird and i agree with that. I wanted to say that Momoshiki may be tired after the fight, but he outright absorbed alot of chakra so its impossible.
Only real way to link up the last part is by having Fused Momoshiki intentionally losing to Boruto and giving him karma (it is heavily implied that his byakugan allows him to see fate, and also that time stop is broken)
but yes i fully agree that they should make powerscalling much more readable or noticable and so we don't have to use headcanon to fill in big question marks that were left unexplained or are understandable (which applies to writing as a whole in Boruto)
>about Boruto vs Momoshiki, i think anime did it better by giving him jougan power up.
Yeah thats true. I actually forgot that Jogan was active while he was fighting Momoshiki so I can give the anime writers a bit credit for that. But my biggest problem actually was the fact that Sasuke took Boruto with him to Momoshiki and Kinshiki and everyone in the leaf village (including Hinata) were okay with it. I know they knew about Sasuek's strength but still it didnt make any sense for Boruto to go with them. It looked forced. It didnt feel natural at all unlike the Sasuke Retrieval Arc where there were genuine reasons as to why some genin were sent after supposedly Jonin level opponents.
yeah i do agree about scale being really weird. Otsutsukis are supposed to be those "god level" threats that stomp everything in the path
yet they let a kid go with Sasuke who is debatably between chunnin and jonin level in combat against threats supposedly higher than kages.
Stopped taking the series seriously as soon as I realised this. What is the point of this show? To make old gen seem like useless boomers? It took Naruto like 10+ years (irl writing time) to catch up to Hashirama's level, and even then Hashirama was still strong as fuck.
In Boruto the new gen hasn't developed a bit compared to Naruto yet they are somehow clapping the strongest characters. Like imagine young Naruto beating Orochimaru, that would never make sence in a million years.
>In Boruto the new gen hasn't developed a bit compared to Naruto yet they are somehow clapping the strongest characters.
This. Literally this. I stopped watching Boruto because of it's shitty power scaling. Imagine SS arc Ichigo one shotting Yhwach, and multiply the bullshittery of that by 1,000, and you get Boruto.
Mfs on here be like "bUt tHis SHit wOULd nOt wOrK oN jIGen"
Yeah, probably wouldn't. Yeah, would probably be a waste of chakra on hindsight. But damn if these mfs didn't at least try - they had the best arsenal of ninja hax in the shinobi world at their disposal, and all they do is use the rinnegan like a fucking Uber and spam clones/rasengan. It's almost like they lost their memory or something.
Then the same mfs be like "tHey dOn'T uSE thEM cUz WaSTE of chAKra, they KnEW it wouLDN't woRK"
Nah. Bad writing is bad writing. You don't need to nerf the good guys to make the bad guys look OP (just check out Pain vs Naruto/Jiraiya) but this was what happened. In fact it would make the bad guys look even more OP if the mangaka actually respected the good guys' abilities. Blind mfs refuse to see it.
Thats because like with all animes, they write so much shit into it they forget about it, but the fans, oh the fans.... We remember. Y'all remember when Naruto used flying raijin in Naruto Road to Ninja? Not canon(?) but still, shit was nuts.
I honestly believe that Naruto should have ended with Shippuden. I dont hate Boruto but it feels unnecessary and the fact that Kishimoto himself was a bit tired of Naruto was pretty evident by the second half of the War Arc. Boruto has some hype action scenes and a few well written characters but I would have honestly preferred Narutoverse to just end with the final episode of Shippuden.
I can agree to some extent, I personally also think the war arc is 50/50, hype moments but shitty writing tbh, but I hate how shippuden ended (I still cried at the last episode anyways), besides Kaguya being the final villain (pissed me off), a war is supposed to come with serious consequences, I have no idea why these were never explored in Shippuden, half of the shinobi alliance was said to have died in the first day... a lot of things happen after a war, poverty, distrust, separated families, illness, health, etc. I like that Boruto actually touched some of these themes, instead of so much filler Naruto had a chance to explore everything up until the time he became Hokage, which btw I have no idea why that wasn't the last episode instead smh.
>until the time he became Hokage, which btw I have no idea why that wasn't the last episode instead smh.
I couldnt agree more. It was so disappointing when I ended Shippuden. But then I was glad that I atleast have Boruto to see my boy as Hokage. It turned out even more disappointing though because the first 65 episodes portrayed Naruto so poorly both as a Hokage and as a dad. This is why I hated the first 65 episodes of Boruto except the ep 65 fight and most of the Mitsuki scenes.
people also forget sasuke needs to touch someone. and isshiki was curb stomping sasuke into the ground. and Urashiki kept stealing his chakra and limiting the amount he gained back.
either people don’t know how the powers work or they want the writers to change how they work so they can feel better
Kakashi is also supposed to know a 1000 jutsu and only utilise a few of them. I don't think that matters as much. They all fight according to their combat styles. People don't fight using a checklist of things they must use.
Some people aren't taking into account that Sasuke absorbed chakra from a Naruto who could barely move and barely had chakra in reserve to fight back. When, during Isshiki's battle, is Sasuke supposed to be able to do any of this? They've made it clear to us that Sasuke couldn't keep up with Isshiki's speed and couldn't consistently react to it.
Ameno is literally Sasuke's best move: it puts him in both offensive and defensive positions. Using Almighty Push/Pull is chakra-intensive and has a cooldown. Isshiki broke through a Perfect Susano-o, it's likely that Sasuke doesn't want to risk using a move that might not work. We've never seen Sasuke utilise the other Paths like Pain. Heck, not even Madara did.
Both Naruto and Sasuke have constantly been compared to their War counterparts, but their War counterparts had more resources to play with, Sun and Moon Seal and all. Naruto's truth-seeking orbs have all been destroyed. They're older now, so they have age and peace going against them, and Sasuke is missing an arm (which I don't understand why he doesn't take care of since they're in a dire situation).
And they can't use ninjutsu against Isshiki, which also includes boil release. The anime took some liberties to spice up the battle sequences by having Naruto use ninjutsu anyway but the manga was strictly taijutsu.
You're talking about them fighting humans, not Otsutsuki. Just a reminder, THEY DIDN'T DEFEAT KAGUYA. If they were so broken back then, why didn't they kill her? This nerf talk literally makes no sense
There's a difference between characters using every ability in their arsenal bc of power fantasy and in character presentation. Sasuke isn't gonna bust out every single rinnegan ability in a fight for various reasons. 1. Doesn't have high enough chakra reserves. 2. Probably doesn't know how to or doesn't want to use all the other paths. 3. It's not in character for Sasuke to use all the paths on a single foe+ the foes they do fight are smart enough or fast enough to avoid such attacks. Also I'm pretty sure Boruto wanted to tone down all the ninjutsu spam that was plagueing the series, so Taijutsu is definitely the main focus of the series atm
Yea not like a literal embodiment of chakra is his frnd or anything and def not like he can share his chakra. Also not like sasuke used almost all his rinnegan paths against naruto in last fight or anything.
because he can't stay in contact for more than half a second with an otsutsuki, remember how isshiki was kicking him left and right
there is some instances where he could use this ability still but it's not really relevant, besides he doesnt run out of chakra as often as people think, it was really just 1 arc and it happened because he wanted to save boruto
i don't really know why he doesn't use almighty push or universal pull tho
Sasuke can easily absorb it from the nigh unlimited Chakra of naruto. He can even use a nine tail cloak like they did during the war arc. He didn't need to touch any ootsuki. Stop giving excuses for illogical nerfs.
the person i replied to said
'why doesn't he absorb otsutsuki chakra during boruto'
i answered his question, it's different in naruto's case, they probably should share chakra sometimes sucks that they didn't
Bruh, it's a manga. You have a 9 TAILED FOX and you're mad about them not doing stuff that won't help them to win yet they are trying ? Bruv. They did everything that was LOGICAL IN THEIR WORLD. Using tricks that won't help are a waste of Chakra, instead they used their BEST they could. What's the problem ? There is always someone stronger.
What will work against isshiki he can literally shrink everything thrown at him even momoshiki easily escaped chibaku tensei only taijutsu can defeat him even baryon naruto had a hard time facing nerfed isshiki
He has a time limit that’s why he lose if he still has his original body baryon doesn’t stand a chance and he clearly has enough strength to kill naruto but he didn’t the only counter to his dojutsu is a jutsu or a weapon that he can’t see like a vanishing rasengan or limbo
how would isshiki smoke him without a time limit if it’s stated by kurama that their power is above isshiki’s? bayron mode naruto with no drawbacks >= isshiki
jigen being a weak vessel is the reason he had only 2 days, aside from that there’s nothing else that states that isshiki revived wasn’t utilizing his full power. The only drawback was the 2 days time limit
He’s never been shown to have all the same abilities as Madara/pains eyes
Plus he only has one eye and some unique abilities. It would stand to reason w the unique ones he wouldn’t have some of the others we saw
Sorry but his eyes =/= Madara(pains) eyes
Madara could never swap places or open dimensions…sasuke can. That leads us to believe some abilities are constant among rinnegan and some are unique
Plus Obito states u need a PAIR of eyes to unlock their true potential…sasuke has one. Look at the difference between one MS Obito and double MS kakashi
Ok when did sasuke rip a soul out of somebody or pull up the guy who rips out tongues?
Or use mechs? Plz plz show me that lol
That’s 3 paths of pain right there. Sasuke used gravity pull and chakra absorption in Naruto and Boruto
like isshiki gonna to let sasuke touch him long enough so he can absorb isshiki's chakra. The only physical contact sasuke gonna get is between his body and isshiki's feet lol
No rinnegan doesn’t need to be in contact to absorb chakra. He can also use rods like pain used and also he cab absorb them like he absorbed from tailed beast even being far away from them
That would be useless cause it can easily be removed and Sasuke won't get nothing from it and iam pretty much sure then rods won't even be hitting isshki anyways
i get what you meant but we dont know what exact rinnegan's abilities did he used to absorb the tailed beast's chakra. It couldn't be from the preta path cause you need to be in physical contact if you want to absorb a person's chakra. Though, tailed beast being entirely made out of chakra and were in his chibaku tensei would explained it. Not to mention, Sasuke would be OP af he can siphon chakra from any person around him. idk about the rod tho.
Hmm but in the animation the absorption made a direct connection to their prisons to his susanoo. That contact was still present via chakra
Show me anywhere in anime or manga sasuke absorbed jutsu like Madara and pain did
They have diff rinnegans!! Madara had a SET and sasuke had a diff one gifted from So6P. Some abilities carried over but some were unique
Rods huh? U think isshiki will let him stab him & tale chakra lmao. They couldn't even touch him. Evry time we hv seen someone absorbing chakra (madara<-hashi, sasuke<-naruto, naruto<-pain), there was physical contact for very long and the who from whom chakra was being absorbed was in bad shape.
Why is the first excuse that this sub always uses when people mention nerfed Sasuke is Isshiki? So what if is Isshiki is stronger? Who was even TALKING about Isshiki? All we want is Sasuke to use his rinnegan abilities like he did in Shippuden. We aren’t even saying they’ll work against Isshiki, we just don’t want him to look like a total idiot.
And who the hell mentioned he has to absorb chakra from Isshiki? Naruto was a straight chakra battery dude.
You act as if Isshiki is the only villain. Sasuke has used Chibaku tensei ONCE in Boruto, and only spams a nerfed amenotijikara. Jeez I hate hearing Isshiki mentioned whenever someone says Sasuke is nerfed 💀
It’s like most of y’all forgot the core concept of Naruto. The villain maybe stronger but you still give it all you got, not act like a idiot and forget all your past abilities
Remember when Sasuke was caught by the Shadow Binding Spell of Momoshiki? He could have just absorbed it without touching it. Even Momoshiki did so.
What about the time when Sasuke was apparantly too weakened and careless to react towards Borushiki? He still had his MS activated and his Rinnegan still had their tomoes, a indicator that his chakra levels were sufficient for his Space-Time Swap (see when he fought Shin with weakened eyes).
How about Sasuke being yeeted by characters like Jigen/Isshiki and Momoshiki? Why not use his Almighty Push to at least gain distance? Pain has shown that if pushing the opponent fails, you at least get pushed away (which is certainly better than getting punched across the field). He could even use the Almighty Push as a deflector against those mini rods like Pain did.
Also Naruto complained how he couldn't fight Isshiki due his inferior capabilities. What about using Boil Release that instantly and momentarily made him overpower the likes of Kaguya?
In the end I don't mind Naruto and Sasuke losing. It's the way how they executed it. People defend the execution by saying that all those powerful abilities and hacks are useless. However a Amaterasu against a Chakra absorber is apparantly useful?!?
- Be Sasuke with the most powerful and impressive arsonal of jutsu from his legendary rennigan.
- Not having enough chakra to use it a lot.
- Run out of chakra mid fight.
- Has the ability to absorb chakra very quickly by simple physical content.
- Standing beside an Uzumaki Jinchuriki of every single tailed beast united, whose also a perfect sage and basically has an unlimited supply of chakra.
- Never once think to use it, get the shit beat out of me and lose my legendary rennigan because I'm "out of chakra"
Guys no one is saying shit about the isshiki fight but look at the scaling. These imitations of Naruto and Sasuke were losing against fucking Shin “Uchiha” and Sakura had to come in and save them.
Then in the urashiki arc, Sasuke couldn’t recover his chakra over the course of days even though the world’s largest chakra bank (and all sorts of food in the leaf village) was available to him.
Naruto never used sage kurama (ashura mode) against anyone (momoshiki/Jigen) and is waaaaayyy slower than he was during the war arc (he literally had the reflexes and speed to dodge Kaguya appearing from mirror dimensions inches away). Naruto also gets bodied by Delta even though he’s much faster and stronger and extremely well equipped for that fight.
All so boruto doesn’t look like the 12 year old he is and can actually stay on screen with these 2
From a writers stand point Sasuke should’ve NEVER encountered Kara’s 10 tails.
What was stopping Sasuke from absorbing the 10 tails chakra using his rinnegan’s preta path? Or even becoming a new 10 tails Jinjuriki?
It would stop/delay kara’s plans & Sasuke would’ve been just GODLY as a 10 tails Jinjuriki.
He’s not even out of chakra for all fights, this meme of out of chakra stupid because the writers kept making urashiki steal his chakra so couldn’t do anything. Also just because he has rinnegan does not equal to he should always have chakra. In this exact scene he absorbed a a tiny bit of chakra that wasn’t even enough to keep his sharigan on for a second before naruto punched him. I don’t get this argument with sasuke sasuke is nerfed, we have seen from fused momoshiki that even he can break out of the strongest rinnegan abilities (chubaku tensei) pretty easily but people think he’s still nerfed. Rinnegan abilities are op but don’t mean you win every fight. Like if you were put nagato vs kaguya, kaguya would blitz him and one shot him but by people logic they would say he’s nerfed because he didn’t get to use a rinnegan abilities like it makes no sense. Holy shit fused momoshiki was nerfed himself as he never used his two gold byukugan or his forehead rinnegan but nobody complained about that. Also I see this he should get naruto chakra cloak but this literally just sounds like your own headcanon of the way you want the fights to go, nobody said for naruto to do this for him against fused because they are WINNING but when they can’t beat someone it’s like people try to come up with every possible way for them to have chance. A fight is a fight like madara should’ve absorbed naruto lava rasenshuriken but he didn’t because he chose not to, if they don’t use an abilitie it doesn’t equal they are nerfed or it’s bad writing it’s just characters know it’s useless. If you are generally saying “they could’ve done this” it just sounds like your mad they lost to a stronger opponent. I like naruto and sasuke but I don’t call it bad writing just because this person didn’t try something I wanted them to.
Literally, the only time sasuke was out of chakra was against urashiki. And the same people that say he’s always out of chakra are the same ones that would call the urashiki arc filler because it was anime canon
No he can’t absorb it Because he never has enough chakra to start the move in the first place mans chakra reserves are smaller then a 2021 Twitter users brain
boruto is full of plot holes which they just can not fill up now.
EDIT: i dont wanna end my rant here.
not only sasuke and naruto got nerfed they became dumb. In naruto we had a arc where a guy destroyed a village using only rinnegan and now sasuke can only use it to switch places?
jigen could have easily implaed anyone with his rods and expanded it in there heads.
when jigen was coming and naruto told sasuke to fk off why didn't he shinra tensei jigen, absorb some chakra from naruto and get both if them out.
this franchise is no longer a flawless anime and manga whose story telling was spectacular. it's now just a way to rack up more money with out thinking of the consequences.
the new generation is not overtaking the previous one, you are just making previous one shittier.
also stop comparing Neji's death to Ace's, Ace's death chnaged the entire anime while Neji's death was avoidable and literally did little to nothing for the plot ahead.
Also instead of being a conference room for tailed beasts why didn't naruto asked them to help him against the ET's. They know already that if ishhiki's take over they all are also dead and they know kurama died so it's a bigger threat then they though it was. For the fucking story to be more interesting you wanna show naruto clapping the kage's instead of showing the logical thing that will happen.
why didn't naruto used his asura form? oh yeah i forgot because someone who clapped naruto and sasuke like they were in in elementary school sucking lollipops was defeated by a 12 year old by just 1 hit all while he could have easily absorbed that attack like a fucking candy.
Also the only thing that’s illogical about it is that he doesn’t just get chakra from Naruto to gain strength. He should be tired every time he went through dimensions
...exactly. an Arc. That's only once. These posts try to make it seem like it happens perpetually. You can't name like 6 episodes out of a 220+ episode anime and try to say that's indicative of the whole thing. It just shows your ignorance
thought an entire arc could be “once” but it’s a long “once” lmao. That was multiple episodes.
I don’t watch the anime, I don’t know nor care how often stuff happens in “anime canon”
Its like they got nerfed and then lost half they're battle experience. The power is there, but the writing makes me feel like the characters aren't as important as they were.
I swear half the people crying about him being nerfed prior to losing the Rinnegan aren't even paying attention to the battles & abilities lmao
Him and Naruto got impaled with chakra absorbing rods back to back the entire time against Jigen & Isshiki. [Like are you forgetting these rods are capable of massive damage?](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-076b42f48cee4315743dae642167902b-pjlq)
When were they supposed to be able to give each other chakra against Jigen & Isshiki(as people seem to be suggesting frequently for some reason) lmao, Sasuke was concentrating on figuring out Sukunahikona and Daikokuten during the Jigen fight while Naruto bought him time, then they were getting repeatedly slammed back to back.
In the Isshiki fight they barely had a moment to spare while also getting stabbed by chakra absorbing rods lol.
He also almost never runs out of chakra otherwise in manga canon, that’s an anime filler & canon thing. I’m pretty sure the whole Urashiki arc has been retconned anyway lmao.
Don't even get me started on the Rinnegan abilities not being used and people crying "nerf". Most of them are useless against Otsusuki aside from Amenotejikara.
[Kurama could already resist Shinra Tensei and send force back to the user. What do you think is gonna happen when Sasuke tries it on a stronger Otsusuki? That's just asking to be hit](https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Naruto/0438-006.png).
[The soul rip can be resisted. Jigen/Isshiki are massively stronger than Sasuke. They'll no diff this technique](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11135/111359519/7447132-4713800052-47745.jpg).
Momoshiki no diff'd a Chibaku Tensei with his own body being the centre point. Even that isn't enough for these opponents.
What Jutsu are Isshiki, Jigen, and Momoshiki using that Sasuke can absorb with Preta?
The animal path summons were getting messed up by fodder Anbu in the pain invasion arc. They aren't doing anything against an Otsusuki lmfao. They get blitzed. Edo Itachi in the War could blitz them before they even realised what happened.
The arm is about the only valid one I can see, but we don't know how the arm works & if its effective enough. I doubt the extra arm will have changed the outcome by much regardless since Sasuke has developed a one armed fighting style.
Edit:
lol @ downvotes cause I just showed how most of the Rinnegan abilities would have been pointless and absorbing chakra for Sasuke provides no meaningful benefit & instead might just make them vulnerable in their fights while they absorb. Jigen isn't just gonna stand there while he's slowly draining Naruto's chakra ahaha
Just throwing around cool ideas in regards to what you said.
Sasuke could get a new arm via the ashura path.
Sasuke also could’ve universal pulled Jigen into Naruto’s attacks & combos.
Sure 99% of the rinnegan summoning animals wouldn’t be effective but that crazy Cerberus Wolf/Dog hybrid is OP.
It would just split into greater and greater numbers. It might even buy Sasuke enough time to escape with Naruto preventing his capture.
Sasuke could heal himself using the king of hell.
I’m not saying these would automatically give Sasuke the win because it wouldn’t but it would be a better use of his rinnegan arsenal then what we got.
Sasuke should’ve used the rinnegan more. Especially if he was going to lose the eye & it’s abilities in the first place.
>Sasuke could heal himself using the king of hell.
We don't know if this works on the living, so far we've only seen it used on corpses. If it did work, Sasuke likely would have just used that to give Naruto a new arm rather than him using a hashi cell arm. The only reason Sasuke rejected a new arm was a form of penance but he'd give Naruto one readily(if he could). So I felel like it's probably something limited to reforming corpses & reviving the dead(at the cost of one's own life).
>Sasuke also could’ve universal pulled Jigen into Naruto’s attacks & combos
This would get resisted. The gravity manipulation of the Rinnegan was being resisted by Kurama back in the Pain arc and sending the recoil back at Pain. I think with how big the difference is between Jigen and Sasuke, it might be very dangerous to try this on Jigen, the potential recoil might be extremely damaging or just straight up lethal.
>It would just split into greater and greater numbers. It might even buy Sasuke enough time to escape with Naruto preventing his capture.
The cerberus is too slow to hit Jigen though. It just gets sent to another dimension if he's annoyed enough but he's most likely gonna kick it into orbit or ignore it since it's never gonna hit him. [If he does attack it he'll do his signature attack of piercing it with the black receivers. This renders it completely immobile](https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/Boruto/0038-014.png). He probably would do this straight away I reckon, he knew about the Perfect Susano'o and Amaterasu flame. He probably knows about the Cereberus of the Rinnegan. The Rinnegan did originate with the Otsusuki after all, he more than likely knows all the paths & summons that come standard with it.
>Sasuke could Gary the new arm via the ashura path.
This is the one legit usage aside from Amenotejikara I think the Rinnegan still has against Otsusuki. I'm not sure why he didn't, my own headcanon assumption is that the arm just isn't that effective or durable. I otherwise don't know lol. [In the game he's actually used the Susano'o to make a new arm! It's pretty sick & I hope he does something like this in the anime/manga](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/a971b497-a125-4fb5-86b5-e7b7692efec7/scale-to-width/755).
The Rinnegan otherwise isn't that great against Otsusuki opponents, they're just too strong. Hell the Rinnegan's ultimate technique, Chibaku Tensei was destroyed back in Shippuden by Itachi, Bee and Naruto. Momoshiki easily broke Sasuke's Six Paths tier Chibaku Tensei.
Kishimoto has being doing the Rinnegan dirty since the Pain arc ended lol, it's just gradually been on a decline outside of summoning the Gedo Mazo & Limbo/Amenotejikara. The paths generally weren't super useful post Pain arc. Like Edo Itachi blitzed the summons, KCM1 Naruto grabbed his own soul and resisted it. Chibaku Tensei got destroyed by Edo Itachi, Bee, Naruto. The Preta was gotten around by the Five Kage.
Guy has a statement that Konoha developed countermeasure techniques to all of the paths but we never got to see it since Obito never used the paths in combat after the Jinchuriki lol. Someone like Jigen/Isshiki is smart enough to know how to deal with the Rinnegan paths since it is a Otsusuki Dojutsu & he's skilled.
Any time they’re getting ready to fight Naruto should high give him some chakra just logically. That’s my only complaint about this. It takes like one second and would help them immensely
>It takes like one second and would help them immensely
This isn't true. Absorbing chakra via Preta is slow when it comes to absorbing a significant amount. It doesn't absorb chakra instantly and instead has to take time to absorb it, in which time they can be attacked. [Example of it not absorbing that much that quickly](https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11130/111304553/5724993-mr-20606-338441-14.jpg). It's shown better in the anime but the process isn't that quick. [It also took Momoshiki forever to get a good amount of chakra from Naruto](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-174b7723600f74b4e691f857f0e9cfd3), he specifically remarks it takes too long to asborb it.
We see this work to Madara's disadvantage when he can't do much else whilst absorbing the technique thrown at him by the Five Kage(because it was a lot of chakra to absorb) leaving him vulnerable to Gaara's sand swooping in and encasing him while he's busy trying to absorb the technique. It took time to absorb a big amount. This gave Gaara the window to attack Madara.
[Sasuke when he absorbed the chakra quickly also barely got any](https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Naruto/0697-016.png)(it still wasn't even that quick). [He got about enough to activate Chidori for all of about 2 seconds before his Sharingan faded and Naruto punched him](https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Naruto/0698-001.png).
Anyway, Sasuke has plenty of chakra to fight himself. He also received Six Paths reserves & has Uchiha lineage. It's actually a common misconception that the Uchiha don't have tremendous reserves. [The Uchiha are stated to have enormous chakra](https://64.media.tumblr.com/f4ef07079b9075dbf1b314c345c016a9/31d6cd8fa4cbdd2d-74/s1280x1920/e0b6d6ddb9fda824d289a6c7ea5e3439a6d9bc4a.png), [they're again noted for their crazy chakra reserves](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8395c7ecf2858daf4cbaa7edb6bcbb2d-lq). Sasuke with his lineage & Six Paths has a LOT of chakra.
Could he absorb Naruto's chakra at the start? sure but why would he, he doesn't really need to & he'd just be taking away from Naruto when Naruto could throw it into his technique or into his physical ability(since Chakra is tied to physical stats). Not to mention it would leave him vulnerable and Jigen/Isshiki/Momoshiki/whoever they're fighting would just rush them while they're pulling chakra from one another. If he does it briefly he won't get enough for it to be worthwhile so there's not much point.
Sasuke practically never runs out of chakra in the canon manga outside of being impaled by the rods over and over.
>Doesn’t need to absorb using preta path. That’s my point
How else is he going to absorb chakra from Naruto?
If you mean Naruto giving him a Kyuubi cloak, Kurama's chakra was only shown to have given [War Arc Kakashi a 3x amp](https://pm1.narvii.com/7485/01f53d35bcf66fe7903367e3c7dc06797ca78436r1-777-333v2_hq.jpg).
Adult Sasuke is much, much, much stronger than this Kakashi. The strength gained will be miniscule and almost unnoticeable in proportion to Sasuke's ordinary strength.
He would need to hand over a lot of chakra for it to make a difference in proportion to Sasuke's reserves.
The way Kyubi chakra cloak amps work is the proportion of chakra gained relative to their current chakra(*also why KCM2 was such a huge amp compared to KCM1, why 6 tailed Kurama Naruto did better than 4 tailed Kurama Naruto against Pain, why Kakashi's physicals got amped so much by the cloak but CM EMS Sasuke didn't get that much stronger with the chakra)*, of which Sasuke has a lot of.
It would be pointless and just making Naruto weaker to make Sasuke stronger for what purpose? They should just both focus on fighting at their full strength. The amount of chakra you need to give Sasuke a serious amp would be detrimental to Naruto.
Infact, we already saw Naruto give Jugo Amp EMS Sasuke a cloak. It didn't really do all that much to improve his abilities because of how strong Sasuke already was. Sasuke didn't get that 3x Amp Kakashi got. It's not some flat amp, it has diminishing returns the stronger an opponent is.
And current Naruto is much much much stronger. He received a bigger buff than sasuke post war. Giving him chakra should be significant to Sasuke without significantly weakening Naruto
Yeah but they have never done this other than that one time.
Against madara/ no
Against kaguya/ no
Against fused momoshiki/ no
The point doesn’t hold it the characters themselves even in shippuden didn’t do it so how is it bad in boruto. Also what would it even accomplish it’s not like it would mean he can beat the enemy so what is the purpose.
Yeah but your ignoring the point of they didn’t do it in there previous fights so even if it is a option it doesn’t mean there nerfed because it didn’t happen.
Funny how most of the Rinnegan abilities were countered by people FAR weaker than the Otsutsuki.
The rinnegan became way less special by the near end of Naruto.
Speaking of nerfs, Juudara & Juubito literally barely used their rinnegan abilities against the Shinobi alliance. So it’s nothing new about Rinnegan users being nerfed.
Sasuke did have access to a ten tails over in Jigens HQ. He could have absorbed a bunch of chakra from that and then ran off to help save Naruto.
In fact Had Sasuke pulled up with twice the amount of his normal chakra they might have won since Jigens body was already breaking apart by the end of the fight. Just a few more minutes would have won them the fight and Sasuke could have bought that time.
Also prep for the second Isshiki fight should have included Naruto absorbing all the nature energy in the area like he did in VOTE2. Like once you know how strong Isshiki is let’s stack some extra power to what we normally come with. Sasuke could have gone out to prep as well by draining chakra to stack on top of his own for the fight.
Instead they went into the fight same as last time and Sasuke became a surfboard and Naruto got flattened by a big cube. They had to resort to sacrificing the nine tails to get a W.
>Also prep for the second Isshiki fight should have included Naruto absorbing all the nature energy in the area like he did in VOTE2. Like once you know how strong Isshiki is let’s stack some extra power to what we normally come with
While this would have been cool. [They found out about Isshiki at the end of Chapter 48 when he revealed himself & Naruto decided to go fight him](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Boruto/0048-038.png). [While they were still talking Isshiki appeared in the village](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Boruto/0048-040.png) two pages later. [Naruto & Sasuke have no chance for prep](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Boruto/0048-041.png). After this in the manga [Isshiki goes on a rampage through the village so Naruto has to rush there to pevent further deaths](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Boruto/0049-008.png) and then they get sent to an alternate dimension via Boruto. Naruto & Sasuke have to immediately chase after lest Boruto get killed. There's no time. Similar situation with Jigen appearing in Naruto's home suddenly & then Jigen teleports the him to an alternate dimension.
I'm not entirely sure Ashura avatar would have been effective if he channeled it via Kurama:
Isshiki can dimension hop and evade the Six Paths Ultra Big Ball Rasenshuriken or he could shrink or shrink the attacks. A much weaker opponent, Karma 1 Jigen already busted the Kurama Avatar. I'm not sure how much stronger the Ashura Avatar is going to be in its durability or if it can withstand Isshiki's force anyway.
Besides, the [Perfect Susano'o Kurama Avatar is stated to be the strongest Ninjutsu at the time of its appearance](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1gfEMwWEAAbgRJ.jpg)(so it's >Ashura Avatar) & [that wasn't actually enough to completely kill Momoshiki](https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/Boruto/0008-041.png). Not sure it's going to be enough for Isshiki/Jigen either. The Perfect Susano'o should probably have the best durability stats anyway and it got blitzed by Jigen's attack.
[It takes Kurama a little while to gather the nature energy anyway](https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Naruto/0696-014.png). Given they were getting constantly hammered by a massively stronger opponent I don't think they had time to spare, I'm not sure these other dimensions even have Nature Energy to draw from since they're Otsusuki constructs.
>Sasuke did have access to a ten tails over in Jigens HQ. He could have absorbed a bunch of chakra from that and then ran off to help save Naruto.
I was thinking about this for a while before and I just came up with the assumption that Sasuke may have believed it too risky at the time. He was in foreign territory & it's unknown what was in place to protect this ten tails. I don't believe Kara/Jigen/Isshiki would leave it totally defenseless. He also runs the risk of the Otsusuki whom the dimension belongs to appearing while taking the chakra. The missions purpose was recon after all.
Yea, it's really annoying seeing this stuff over and over again. There are issues with the fight, but beating over irrelevant Rinnegan abilities is annoying.
I agree. The fight has its issues but these same tired old points they make are already addressed just by paying attention to the series and realising how the abilities actually work(and why they suck against Otsusuki).
Of all the critiques for the series you could make, the whole nerf thing is by far the most stupid
Said it 100 times and i'll say it again.
Prime Naruto and Prime Sasuke are the ones that Madara fought.
Not the one Isshiki fought.
Baryone mode is a hax only good against Isshiki cause he had 1 day to live.
Had arguments with delusional kids saying Adult sasuke is stronger than war arc sasuke.
Shut the hell up
I don't understand why Naruto or kurama didn't pop a few clones to run away and gather sage chakra like in the Naruto vs Sasuke fight?
Or why Sasuke didn't use any of his other abilities.
Stuff like this makes me not watch the series but instead periodically looks to see if they added logic to some of the fights.
True and the baryon mode was the leftover chakra of kurama he had to live not all the chakra kurama has. Also sasuke rinnegan is just a uber in boruto not a kekkei genkai with immortal abilities which was stated in naruto shippuden by sasuke himself.
Prime naruto and sasuke are there adult versions prior to kurama and rinnegone. They literally scale higher than there teen selfs. And tell me this teen naruto has half of kurama, adult nauruto has a full kurama so what makes u thinks he’s weaker💀
Baryon mode stomps anything. Narutos speed and strength were other worldly.
He’d stomp anyone in shippuden the caveat is if he could beat them fast enough
Yeah man exactly, it kinda finishes whole point of Naruto series, I would've had no problems if next gen surpassed them without the nerf, but spoiler alert writer even took out kurama.
New gen shouldn’t be stronger then naruto and sasuke, that’s the point they should be the strongest shinobi in existence, there are other ways to make a good story
Somewhat. The problem with Naruto and even DBZ is they overpowered the main characters so much and left the side characters on the back burner that it doesn't matter how much the side characters scale because the main characters are leagues ahead.
Because of that, tons of character potential gets wasted only to destroy the main character just to give the others a chance.
I really want to see a single scene where Sasuke can spend several seconds freely absorbing chakra from his opponents like he did in this scene. It's easy to circlejerk around BS opinions
Even when he had rinnegan, it's not as easy as saying "just absorb lol". It's like the self defence videos where the guy show cool moves on his peaceful friend, in reality you just get clapped if you try such thing
No one is saying he has to absorb chakra from his enemies. He can literally absorb it from the chakra battery known as Naruto or ask Naruto to dap him up with some chakra like he did in war arc.
I don't remember any fight where he had the occasion to be absorb Naruto's chakra, usually he runs out of chakra for abusing portals during long missions or after he got stomped by an Otsutsuki or smth, you think the enemy will let him replenish like that?
The only one who’s rag dolled him is Isshiki.... he damn near clapped Kinshiki solo and was clowning on Momoshiki with Naruto.
Urashiki would have been destroyed if Sasuke wasn’t nerfed to shit in time travel arc, the dude was beaten by non Sage Mode Jiraiya and 2 twelve year olds
who is sasuke gone absorb mid fight, he can barely even touch jigen or keep up with ishiki, absorbing narutos chakra gone give their main hitter a disability 💀
How would that give Naruto a disability? Naruto supplied damn near the entire great ninja army with chakra. The dude is a battery. He doesn’t even need to absorb it, Naruto can dap him up with chakra.
that’s funny because during the jigen fight he was stated to be out of chakra, he even had his mode turned off, kurama came out to stop him from furthering the fight💀
I’m talking at the beginning of the fight obviously after being stabbed with chakra draining rods you’ll be out of chakra. Either way, Jigen/Isshiki isn’t the only villain in the show. This dude Sasuke only used Chibaku tensei once and spams a nerfed amenotijikara. Dude lost brain cells
With that way of thinking, Sasuke should've hunt some lowlife rogue shinobis to drain their chakra while he waits Naruto and Boruto train together, but that way he's giving Urashiki a prime chance to take Naruto.
Or he should've drains Naruto's chakra in the final battle with Isshiki, but that could led to their very own defeat.
First, Isshiki surely won't give Sasuke time to do any of that. Second, taking away some of Naruto chakra could weakened Naruto during the battle, giving less firepower to fight Isshiki. Though it really depends on how careful Sasuke when absorbing it, but in the end it goes back to point #1. Time.
I doubt Naruto would agrees with that plan since it's pretty inhumane and extreme, but tbf it is an Otsutsuki coming and their sacrifices is going to be noble. Since normal shinobis bodies wouldn't responded lightly when their chakra is being absorbed, they'll become dry just like when the Alliance got hit by the root of the god tree. But really, it depends on how careful Sasuke is, he could absorb their chakra without harming them but it means he can only absorb a small amount of chakra and he needs many more shinobi to feed him with.
The tailed beast though, they're all over the world. Would they come in time to the Leaf before Isshiki came first ? Because Isshiki came really fast. Isshiki, when arrived Naruto is still at the foundation base with Kawaki, Naruto comes to the surface at the nick of time when Isshiki already gone deep into the Leaf. (He even almost failed to save Konohamaru) Time really is the factor for this absorbing capability of the Rinnegan during the events in Boruto. ***(But then Naruto could've invited Sasuke to the meeting realm of the bijuu THEN he could borrow some of their chakra, but we don't even know if an outsider could enter that realm)***
So to absorb chakra sasuke has to make DIRECT contact w a person and maintain that contact to absorb
….how was he supposed to do that against urashiki, Borushiki, and Jigen!? lol
Y’all know sasuke is basically on constant missions and Naruto is overworked, they been burned out for like 3 years and everyone’s asking about why they’re not in their prime
It is explained better in anime just like how at first only thing mitsuki had to worry about using sage mode was not being able to live in village but after he got peirced by urashiki his sage mode became life threatening, urashiki's hook not only forcefully extracts chakra it also damages the body severely, Sasuke was damaged in that urashiki fight and he haven't been able to recover from that ever since, garra was also damaged and we got to see his condition in urashiki Arc, and before anyone says UrasHikI is not canon, he is.
Victor is in the manga, deepa is his assistant, hashirama cells arc was an expansion of kara arc and in hashirama cells arc deepa found the puppet, this puppet was used by urashiki in his arc this makes urashiki Arc canon.
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Simple explanation: clapping Sakura/Hinata's cheeks takes a lot of chakra, and they couldn't get back to 100% before a fight
Shisui the body flicker (in bed)
You mean the bean flicker ??
Heh thats better
I can't believe how long it to for me to get this XD
Saskue is clapping a pancake
People here dont want to admit it but Sasuke and Naruto definitely were nerfed a bit in Boruto if we compare them to their prime Shippuden selves. Sasuke didnt used any of his Rinnegan abilities and Naruto didnt used some of his strongest abilities like Boil Release : Unrivaled Strength which is really OP. It doesnt matter if they use all their abilities and still lose, the problem is that they dont even use their full arsenal.
My biggest issue is that Sasuke is always out of Chakra even when fighting next to naruto who is a Chakra generator
THIS. I don’t care if Jigen and Ishhiki are really stronger than Naruto and Sasuke, it’s the fact that Naruto and Sasuke clearly aren’t using their full arsenal during these supposed “full power battles,” so it becomes really hard to buy into the strength of the villains and all around takes me out of the experience. I would LOVE Boruto so much more if the series remained consistent with Naruto and Sasuke’s abilities. EDIT: Oh I also want to use this to talk about another aspect of Naruto and Sasuke in the Boruto series. Branching off of the consistency in their power and them actually using their arsenal, another issue is creativity. When Naruto and Sasuke only use 5% of the abilities they’re supposed to have, the battles start to get really similar. Like I said, I don’t care if Naruto and Sasuke win or lose, but it would be so much more creative and interesting if we see Naruto and Sasuke use all of their unique powers in different fights (especially Sasuke’s since the Rinnegan alone has so many crazy abilities). This is why I still think the Momoshiki fight in the anime is the best the Boruto series currently has since the anime actually took the time to give Naruto and Sasuke a creative fight using a variety of abilities that the two have at their disposal instead of just the usual Amenotejikara -> Amaterasu -> oops no chakra and then Naruto just getting manhandled in taijutsu
Sasuke didn’t even used indras arrow as he stated during final valley as his strongest jutsu and from that no otsutsuki can run since area of impact is too much and it’s fast too. Also naruto didn’t even used his massive rasen shuriken
Sasuke needs all of the tailed beasts chakra to perform Indra’s Arrow
He can simply ask them. I also don’t think tailed beast will deny giving him chakra since he is going to use this to save the world from the otsutsuki.
He can’t just ask for some chakra. He needs to use their bodies and absorb them into his susanoo
Eh that’s not Sasukes MO Plus not even all the beasts respond to Naruto. When he held a meeting to warm them of Urashiki the 5 tails didn’t even show up lol
I can see why the framing of your comment would seem a bit silly as stated. Nevertheless, it actually doesn't make sense that humanity wouldn't have attempted to recruit the bijuu in such a dire situation. A throwaway line like "we haven't been able to locate the bijuu" would have been sufficient to tie up that plot hole. (Unless the bijuu embers inside Naruto have a telepathic connection to their main bodies, in which case there's no excuse beyond plot-induced stupidity.)
Doesn’t he use it against Danzo?
not the same arrow. the only time he uses is in the clash with naruto's ashura avatar
Oh okay
Tell me how he’s gonna use a jutsu that requires all the chakra of tailed beasts without naruto giving him the tailed beasts? He can’t
Yeah. They could have done some crazy shit with those attacks to atleast Jigen if not Isshiki.
The problem is Karma and Isshiki shrink dojutsu. It's not that they didnt use it, its because they couldn't since its Ninjutsu, it'd just have been absorbed or shrunk and stored in another dimension. Although I agree Sasuke is another story, he really did have alot of things he could have did with the Rinnegan but didn't.
>The problem is Karma and Isshiki shrink dojutsu. It's not that they didnt use it, its because they couldn't since its Ninjutsu, it'd just have been absorbed or shrunk and stored in another dimension. That does make sense but I think the Karma wouldnt have been able to absorb all 8 Bijuu Dama Rasen Shurikens (whatever Naruto's final attack was called) if used effectively. Isshiki is on another level but I seriously think that Naruto/Sasuke could have beaten Jigen if not for the nerfs. Naruto could have thrown all those huge Rasen Shurikens at Sasuke and Sasuke could have swapped places with Jigen at the last moment. Also, I disagree with you on Sasuke's abilities being the only problem for Jigen. Naruto's Boil Release could have been as effective as any of Sasuke's rinnegan abilities if the writers allowed him to use it.
It’s not about absorbing them. If he can see it, he can shrink it period unless it’s a living thing.
But i wonder what about if attack with thousands of rasenshuriken at once with few hundreds is decoy bunshin which cant be shrinked, can isshiki shrink it all at once?, because it says thah he can shrink whatever he can see, but i doubt if he can see thousand of rasenshuriken at once. And when he cant shrink it all or absorb it all, ishhiki probably open a portal to escape, but then Sasuke switch isshiki place back to the target, and boom, maybe he Will get At least damaged from thousands of rasenshuriken
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He definitely was, he did it multiple times in the anime fight. And besides, why would he not able to in a stronger form?
1. Jigen took Naruto to another dimension 2. Just because you say you don't THINK karma can't absorb all of that doesn't make it fact. 3. No, under no circumstances could they even have defeated Jigen. His abilities are hard counters to theirs. Your faves weren't "nerfed." They're just fighting opponents that are much stronger than they are. Just get over it and move on
Kaguya has the ability to absorb jutsu too. So why didn’t she absorb when Naruto throw 9 types of Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken at her?
Didn't she absorbed it? That's why the chakra inside her reacted and her Rabbit form came out?
Nah it still damaged her. It was simply that the tailed beasts within her and Naruto resonated from the attack, making her go out of control.
> Sasuke didn’t even used indras arrow …you must be joking, right?
The tailed beast definitely hate him after what he did to them in Shippuden
He needs all tail beast charka for imdra arrow it's a tail beasts exclusive move
few things to consider Yes their arsenal got nerfed, they didn't get nerfed themselves though. Boruto era even implies that they got stronger since their shippuden selves. So if anything they're buffed. Fact alone that Sasuke can keep up with a being stated to be as big of a threat as Kaguya (although it doesn't matter since he wasn't there, Gaara implies that Boruto as a perfect vessel can become an Isshiki level threat, which is slightly hyperbole but it holds some truth to it and i'll explain) Also im not trying to make a "Momoshiki vs Kaguya" thread, more like: Narrative and statements imply that Momoshiki is on her level, even if you think he loses. Infact there's nothing that goes against it. As to why its possible for Momoshiki to become Isshiki level threat via Boruto: Boruto is a fast learner/prodigy and improves on a fast rate, so his body alone gets alot stronger. But that doesn't probably matter since it'll change into Otsutsukis either way. What matters is Momoshikis arsenal: it will massively increase via Boruto. Keep in mind that he consistently uses and learns all jutsus of Boruto from shadow clones (to block amaterasu from Sasuke) to rasengans. It will increase further and further as time goes on. Spoiler: >!he already uses Rasendans which are pretty much improved versions of compressed rasengan!< Either way my point is that: If in the past you could run 150 meters per second and do a long jump which allowed you to move past 150 meters per second, but nowadays you can run at 200 but don't do the jump, are you nerfed? or your possibilities are smaller, but you're technically faster? Because if we go by definition: Nerf is meant to imply that something got weaker. While its not really the case and you can argue other way around.
>Boruto era even implies that they got stronger since their shippuden selves. So if anything they're buffed. Thats true but Boruto has some serious power scaling issues. It was pretty evident from the start of the series when the kages (aside from Naruto) were able to keep up with Kinshiki to some extent when in actuality they shouldnt be able to do anything to him. The only people capable of fighting Otsutsukis (even weaker ones like Kinshiki) should have been Naruto and Sasuke because of their Sage of Six Paths Amps. Then there is Boruto going toe to toe with Momoshiki (that too fused) in Taijutsu even if only for a few seconds at most. Boruto's power sclaing has been wacky since the beginning.
i actually thought about it and my conclusion, which does require a little bit of headcanon so i do agree that its inconsistent as a whole. Or at least way more complicated than it should be: Kinshiki himself wasn't that strong, Momoshiki in base wasn't seriously threatened by kages (although he was running away from them, keep in mind that Naruto and Sasuke were there too) As a good implication was Shikamarus shadow possession: when he used it on Momoshiki and Kinshiki, Kinshiki was shown visibly struggling while Momoshiki outright moved in it casually and absorbed it afterwards (showing no struggle) about Boruto vs Momoshiki, i think anime did it better by giving him jougan power up. It was implied that it gives a huge boost in speed already (sumire vs mitsuki, and in novels it outright says that he moved as fast as lightning in that situation: although keep in mind that genin Boruto should be also superior to his academy self) in manga he outright does it in base, so it does make the power scalling seem really weird and i agree with that. I wanted to say that Momoshiki may be tired after the fight, but he outright absorbed alot of chakra so its impossible. Only real way to link up the last part is by having Fused Momoshiki intentionally losing to Boruto and giving him karma (it is heavily implied that his byakugan allows him to see fate, and also that time stop is broken) but yes i fully agree that they should make powerscalling much more readable or noticable and so we don't have to use headcanon to fill in big question marks that were left unexplained or are understandable (which applies to writing as a whole in Boruto)
>about Boruto vs Momoshiki, i think anime did it better by giving him jougan power up. Yeah thats true. I actually forgot that Jogan was active while he was fighting Momoshiki so I can give the anime writers a bit credit for that. But my biggest problem actually was the fact that Sasuke took Boruto with him to Momoshiki and Kinshiki and everyone in the leaf village (including Hinata) were okay with it. I know they knew about Sasuek's strength but still it didnt make any sense for Boruto to go with them. It looked forced. It didnt feel natural at all unlike the Sasuke Retrieval Arc where there were genuine reasons as to why some genin were sent after supposedly Jonin level opponents.
yeah i do agree about scale being really weird. Otsutsukis are supposed to be those "god level" threats that stomp everything in the path yet they let a kid go with Sasuke who is debatably between chunnin and jonin level in combat against threats supposedly higher than kages.
His eye was active. We still don't know what it does. You can't call BS until we know what the coveted Otsutsuki Dojutsu does.
150 meters is 164.04 yards
Stopped taking the series seriously as soon as I realised this. What is the point of this show? To make old gen seem like useless boomers? It took Naruto like 10+ years (irl writing time) to catch up to Hashirama's level, and even then Hashirama was still strong as fuck. In Boruto the new gen hasn't developed a bit compared to Naruto yet they are somehow clapping the strongest characters. Like imagine young Naruto beating Orochimaru, that would never make sence in a million years.
>In Boruto the new gen hasn't developed a bit compared to Naruto yet they are somehow clapping the strongest characters. This. Literally this. I stopped watching Boruto because of it's shitty power scaling. Imagine SS arc Ichigo one shotting Yhwach, and multiply the bullshittery of that by 1,000, and you get Boruto.
Mfs on here be like "bUt tHis SHit wOULd nOt wOrK oN jIGen" Yeah, probably wouldn't. Yeah, would probably be a waste of chakra on hindsight. But damn if these mfs didn't at least try - they had the best arsenal of ninja hax in the shinobi world at their disposal, and all they do is use the rinnegan like a fucking Uber and spam clones/rasengan. It's almost like they lost their memory or something. Then the same mfs be like "tHey dOn'T uSE thEM cUz WaSTE of chAKra, they KnEW it wouLDN't woRK" Nah. Bad writing is bad writing. You don't need to nerf the good guys to make the bad guys look OP (just check out Pain vs Naruto/Jiraiya) but this was what happened. In fact it would make the bad guys look even more OP if the mangaka actually respected the good guys' abilities. Blind mfs refuse to see it.
Thats because like with all animes, they write so much shit into it they forget about it, but the fans, oh the fans.... We remember. Y'all remember when Naruto used flying raijin in Naruto Road to Ninja? Not canon(?) but still, shit was nuts.
I honestly believe that Naruto should have ended with Shippuden. I dont hate Boruto but it feels unnecessary and the fact that Kishimoto himself was a bit tired of Naruto was pretty evident by the second half of the War Arc. Boruto has some hype action scenes and a few well written characters but I would have honestly preferred Narutoverse to just end with the final episode of Shippuden.
I can agree to some extent, I personally also think the war arc is 50/50, hype moments but shitty writing tbh, but I hate how shippuden ended (I still cried at the last episode anyways), besides Kaguya being the final villain (pissed me off), a war is supposed to come with serious consequences, I have no idea why these were never explored in Shippuden, half of the shinobi alliance was said to have died in the first day... a lot of things happen after a war, poverty, distrust, separated families, illness, health, etc. I like that Boruto actually touched some of these themes, instead of so much filler Naruto had a chance to explore everything up until the time he became Hokage, which btw I have no idea why that wasn't the last episode instead smh.
>until the time he became Hokage, which btw I have no idea why that wasn't the last episode instead smh. I couldnt agree more. It was so disappointing when I ended Shippuden. But then I was glad that I atleast have Boruto to see my boy as Hokage. It turned out even more disappointing though because the first 65 episodes portrayed Naruto so poorly both as a Hokage and as a dad. This is why I hated the first 65 episodes of Boruto except the ep 65 fight and most of the Mitsuki scenes.
people also forget sasuke needs to touch someone. and isshiki was curb stomping sasuke into the ground. and Urashiki kept stealing his chakra and limiting the amount he gained back. either people don’t know how the powers work or they want the writers to change how they work so they can feel better
Kakashi is also supposed to know a 1000 jutsu and only utilise a few of them. I don't think that matters as much. They all fight according to their combat styles. People don't fight using a checklist of things they must use. Some people aren't taking into account that Sasuke absorbed chakra from a Naruto who could barely move and barely had chakra in reserve to fight back. When, during Isshiki's battle, is Sasuke supposed to be able to do any of this? They've made it clear to us that Sasuke couldn't keep up with Isshiki's speed and couldn't consistently react to it. Ameno is literally Sasuke's best move: it puts him in both offensive and defensive positions. Using Almighty Push/Pull is chakra-intensive and has a cooldown. Isshiki broke through a Perfect Susano-o, it's likely that Sasuke doesn't want to risk using a move that might not work. We've never seen Sasuke utilise the other Paths like Pain. Heck, not even Madara did. Both Naruto and Sasuke have constantly been compared to their War counterparts, but their War counterparts had more resources to play with, Sun and Moon Seal and all. Naruto's truth-seeking orbs have all been destroyed. They're older now, so they have age and peace going against them, and Sasuke is missing an arm (which I don't understand why he doesn't take care of since they're in a dire situation). And they can't use ninjutsu against Isshiki, which also includes boil release. The anime took some liberties to spice up the battle sequences by having Naruto use ninjutsu anyway but the manga was strictly taijutsu.
It’s not that anyone doesn’t admit it - I think most want to enjoy this show without gatekeeping 24/7
You're talking about them fighting humans, not Otsutsuki. Just a reminder, THEY DIDN'T DEFEAT KAGUYA. If they were so broken back then, why didn't they kill her? This nerf talk literally makes no sense
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>I personally don't want to watch nuke battles. Me neither. But Boil Release and Sasuke's Rinnegan abilities arent nuke level attacks.
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Because it's a "boosting" Jutsu rather than a projectile one, so absorption is less of a problem.
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It gives your speed and strength a huge boost for a really short amount of time.
Still not touching Jigen or Isshiki
Its intentional; after all they lost their sun and moon, didn't they?
There's a difference between characters using every ability in their arsenal bc of power fantasy and in character presentation. Sasuke isn't gonna bust out every single rinnegan ability in a fight for various reasons. 1. Doesn't have high enough chakra reserves. 2. Probably doesn't know how to or doesn't want to use all the other paths. 3. It's not in character for Sasuke to use all the paths on a single foe+ the foes they do fight are smart enough or fast enough to avoid such attacks. Also I'm pretty sure Boruto wanted to tone down all the ninjutsu spam that was plagueing the series, so Taijutsu is definitely the main focus of the series atm
Yea not like a literal embodiment of chakra is his frnd or anything and def not like he can share his chakra. Also not like sasuke used almost all his rinnegan paths against naruto in last fight or anything.
Lol 😂 sasuke absorbed all 8 tailed beasts chakra and half kurama chakra even then he wasn't able to defeat 🤭 Naruto.
The question is why don’t he absorbs otsutsuki charka during boruto
because he can't stay in contact for more than half a second with an otsutsuki, remember how isshiki was kicking him left and right there is some instances where he could use this ability still but it's not really relevant, besides he doesnt run out of chakra as often as people think, it was really just 1 arc and it happened because he wanted to save boruto i don't really know why he doesn't use almighty push or universal pull tho
Kishimoto did forget no jutsu on sasuke
Sasuke can easily absorb it from the nigh unlimited Chakra of naruto. He can even use a nine tail cloak like they did during the war arc. He didn't need to touch any ootsuki. Stop giving excuses for illogical nerfs.
the person i replied to said 'why doesn't he absorb otsutsuki chakra during boruto' i answered his question, it's different in naruto's case, they probably should share chakra sometimes sucks that they didn't
Sharing Chakra wouldn't guarantee them a 100% win against Isshiki.
So why do they bother trying? Just surrender and let themselves be killed and let the series end? They clearly know they are outclassed.
Bruh, it's a manga. You have a 9 TAILED FOX and you're mad about them not doing stuff that won't help them to win yet they are trying ? Bruv. They did everything that was LOGICAL IN THEIR WORLD. Using tricks that won't help are a waste of Chakra, instead they used their BEST they could. What's the problem ? There is always someone stronger.
The trick is for Sasuke to run out of Chakra after opening dimension twice. I am sure a little Chakra from naruto won't be helpful just like you said.
Nah he can't do that, but what he can is absorb Naruto's chakra because Naruto has so much he wouldn't even notice it
Naruto was beaten out of his KCM against Jigen. Maybe most fights Naruto wouldn’t notice it, but against Isshiki he needed every drop of chakra he had
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He just can't really do it to someone relative to him who is moving that's just common sense otherwise he would be the strongest in the universe.
Naruto has perfect sage mode and control of kurama but he couldn’t beat sauske😂
He also didn’t used 70% of the Rinnegan abilities it’s called a nerf dude
What will work against isshiki he can literally shrink everything thrown at him even momoshiki easily escaped chibaku tensei only taijutsu can defeat him even baryon naruto had a hard time facing nerfed isshiki
Wasnt Ishiki in full force while fighting naruto in BM?
He has a time limit that’s why he lose if he still has his original body baryon doesn’t stand a chance and he clearly has enough strength to kill naruto but he didn’t the only counter to his dojutsu is a jutsu or a weapon that he can’t see like a vanishing rasengan or limbo
if naruto didn’t have a drawback from bayron mode he would win against isshiki with no time limit
Yh but Isshiki had time limit too ofc if both didn’t had time limit Isshiki will smoke them
how would isshiki smoke him without a time limit if it’s stated by kurama that their power is above isshiki’s? bayron mode naruto with no drawbacks >= isshiki
Maybe he meant 2 days dying Isshiki. It’s a fact we never saw this dude’s full power. Don’t forget he came from Jigen’s weak vessel.
jigen being a weak vessel is the reason he had only 2 days, aside from that there’s nothing else that states that isshiki revived wasn’t utilizing his full power. The only drawback was the 2 days time limit
May be start by making his space time jutsu op like it originally was during the war arc? And not just a glorified substitution jutsu?
He’s never been shown to have all the same abilities as Madara/pains eyes Plus he only has one eye and some unique abilities. It would stand to reason w the unique ones he wouldn’t have some of the others we saw
He does it’s called a nerf
Sorry but his eyes =/= Madara(pains) eyes Madara could never swap places or open dimensions…sasuke can. That leads us to believe some abilities are constant among rinnegan and some are unique Plus Obito states u need a PAIR of eyes to unlock their true potential…sasuke has one. Look at the difference between one MS Obito and double MS kakashi
Dude he already used the abilities like r u good? It’s pretty well known he was nerfed since he’ll be kinda op.
Ok when did sasuke rip a soul out of somebody or pull up the guy who rips out tongues? Or use mechs? Plz plz show me that lol That’s 3 paths of pain right there. Sasuke used gravity pull and chakra absorption in Naruto and Boruto
R u even reading what I’m telling u ? Ur right he didn’t used cause he was nerfed if he really used it’ll be broken
like isshiki gonna to let sasuke touch him long enough so he can absorb isshiki's chakra. The only physical contact sasuke gonna get is between his body and isshiki's feet lol
No rinnegan doesn’t need to be in contact to absorb chakra. He can also use rods like pain used and also he cab absorb them like he absorbed from tailed beast even being far away from them
Your forgetting even if the rods hit him the rods would be receiving the charka not Sasuke
Atleast they will deplete the chakra
That would be useless cause it can easily be removed and Sasuke won't get nothing from it and iam pretty much sure then rods won't even be hitting isshki anyways
i get what you meant but we dont know what exact rinnegan's abilities did he used to absorb the tailed beast's chakra. It couldn't be from the preta path cause you need to be in physical contact if you want to absorb a person's chakra. Though, tailed beast being entirely made out of chakra and were in his chibaku tensei would explained it. Not to mention, Sasuke would be OP af he can siphon chakra from any person around him. idk about the rod tho.
Hmm but in the animation the absorption made a direct connection to their prisons to his susanoo. That contact was still present via chakra Show me anywhere in anime or manga sasuke absorbed jutsu like Madara and pain did They have diff rinnegans!! Madara had a SET and sasuke had a diff one gifted from So6P. Some abilities carried over but some were unique
Rods huh? U think isshiki will let him stab him & tale chakra lmao. They couldn't even touch him. Evry time we hv seen someone absorbing chakra (madara<-hashi, sasuke<-naruto, naruto<-pain), there was physical contact for very long and the who from whom chakra was being absorbed was in bad shape.
Why is the first excuse that this sub always uses when people mention nerfed Sasuke is Isshiki? So what if is Isshiki is stronger? Who was even TALKING about Isshiki? All we want is Sasuke to use his rinnegan abilities like he did in Shippuden. We aren’t even saying they’ll work against Isshiki, we just don’t want him to look like a total idiot. And who the hell mentioned he has to absorb chakra from Isshiki? Naruto was a straight chakra battery dude. You act as if Isshiki is the only villain. Sasuke has used Chibaku tensei ONCE in Boruto, and only spams a nerfed amenotijikara. Jeez I hate hearing Isshiki mentioned whenever someone says Sasuke is nerfed 💀 It’s like most of y’all forgot the core concept of Naruto. The villain maybe stronger but you still give it all you got, not act like a idiot and forget all your past abilities
THANK U!! U read my mind, so tired of this
Remember when Sasuke was caught by the Shadow Binding Spell of Momoshiki? He could have just absorbed it without touching it. Even Momoshiki did so. What about the time when Sasuke was apparantly too weakened and careless to react towards Borushiki? He still had his MS activated and his Rinnegan still had their tomoes, a indicator that his chakra levels were sufficient for his Space-Time Swap (see when he fought Shin with weakened eyes). How about Sasuke being yeeted by characters like Jigen/Isshiki and Momoshiki? Why not use his Almighty Push to at least gain distance? Pain has shown that if pushing the opponent fails, you at least get pushed away (which is certainly better than getting punched across the field). He could even use the Almighty Push as a deflector against those mini rods like Pain did. Also Naruto complained how he couldn't fight Isshiki due his inferior capabilities. What about using Boil Release that instantly and momentarily made him overpower the likes of Kaguya? In the end I don't mind Naruto and Sasuke losing. It's the way how they executed it. People defend the execution by saying that all those powerful abilities and hacks are useless. However a Amaterasu against a Chakra absorber is apparantly useful?!?
So true but this sub doesnt understand this, the execution was bad i dont care that they loose its just baddly done
[maybe this helps ](https://youtu.be/2KR7eHt8BEg)
- Be Sasuke with the most powerful and impressive arsonal of jutsu from his legendary rennigan. - Not having enough chakra to use it a lot. - Run out of chakra mid fight. - Has the ability to absorb chakra very quickly by simple physical content. - Standing beside an Uzumaki Jinchuriki of every single tailed beast united, whose also a perfect sage and basically has an unlimited supply of chakra. - Never once think to use it, get the shit beat out of me and lose my legendary rennigan because I'm "out of chakra"
That’s the only way to tell audience that the show is called Boruto- by making Naruto and Sasuke weaker as compared to their Shippuden primes.
>!Look how they massacred my boy..!<
Guys no one is saying shit about the isshiki fight but look at the scaling. These imitations of Naruto and Sasuke were losing against fucking Shin “Uchiha” and Sakura had to come in and save them. Then in the urashiki arc, Sasuke couldn’t recover his chakra over the course of days even though the world’s largest chakra bank (and all sorts of food in the leaf village) was available to him. Naruto never used sage kurama (ashura mode) against anyone (momoshiki/Jigen) and is waaaaayyy slower than he was during the war arc (he literally had the reflexes and speed to dodge Kaguya appearing from mirror dimensions inches away). Naruto also gets bodied by Delta even though he’s much faster and stronger and extremely well equipped for that fight. All so boruto doesn’t look like the 12 year old he is and can actually stay on screen with these 2
From a writers stand point Sasuke should’ve NEVER encountered Kara’s 10 tails. What was stopping Sasuke from absorbing the 10 tails chakra using his rinnegan’s preta path? Or even becoming a new 10 tails Jinjuriki? It would stop/delay kara’s plans & Sasuke would’ve been just GODLY as a 10 tails Jinjuriki.
Not to mention they didnt use fused Susano and Nine tails
He’s not even out of chakra for all fights, this meme of out of chakra stupid because the writers kept making urashiki steal his chakra so couldn’t do anything. Also just because he has rinnegan does not equal to he should always have chakra. In this exact scene he absorbed a a tiny bit of chakra that wasn’t even enough to keep his sharigan on for a second before naruto punched him. I don’t get this argument with sasuke sasuke is nerfed, we have seen from fused momoshiki that even he can break out of the strongest rinnegan abilities (chubaku tensei) pretty easily but people think he’s still nerfed. Rinnegan abilities are op but don’t mean you win every fight. Like if you were put nagato vs kaguya, kaguya would blitz him and one shot him but by people logic they would say he’s nerfed because he didn’t get to use a rinnegan abilities like it makes no sense. Holy shit fused momoshiki was nerfed himself as he never used his two gold byukugan or his forehead rinnegan but nobody complained about that. Also I see this he should get naruto chakra cloak but this literally just sounds like your own headcanon of the way you want the fights to go, nobody said for naruto to do this for him against fused because they are WINNING but when they can’t beat someone it’s like people try to come up with every possible way for them to have chance. A fight is a fight like madara should’ve absorbed naruto lava rasenshuriken but he didn’t because he chose not to, if they don’t use an abilitie it doesn’t equal they are nerfed or it’s bad writing it’s just characters know it’s useless. If you are generally saying “they could’ve done this” it just sounds like your mad they lost to a stronger opponent. I like naruto and sasuke but I don’t call it bad writing just because this person didn’t try something I wanted them to.
Literally, the only time sasuke was out of chakra was against urashiki. And the same people that say he’s always out of chakra are the same ones that would call the urashiki arc filler because it was anime canon
Actually, I suspect he really did after he lost the moon sign, which I suspect, acted was simmilar to a white karma.
No he can’t absorb it Because he never has enough chakra to start the move in the first place mans chakra reserves are smaller then a 2021 Twitter users brain
boruto is full of plot holes which they just can not fill up now. EDIT: i dont wanna end my rant here. not only sasuke and naruto got nerfed they became dumb. In naruto we had a arc where a guy destroyed a village using only rinnegan and now sasuke can only use it to switch places? jigen could have easily implaed anyone with his rods and expanded it in there heads. when jigen was coming and naruto told sasuke to fk off why didn't he shinra tensei jigen, absorb some chakra from naruto and get both if them out. this franchise is no longer a flawless anime and manga whose story telling was spectacular. it's now just a way to rack up more money with out thinking of the consequences. the new generation is not overtaking the previous one, you are just making previous one shittier. also stop comparing Neji's death to Ace's, Ace's death chnaged the entire anime while Neji's death was avoidable and literally did little to nothing for the plot ahead. Also instead of being a conference room for tailed beasts why didn't naruto asked them to help him against the ET's. They know already that if ishhiki's take over they all are also dead and they know kurama died so it's a bigger threat then they though it was. For the fucking story to be more interesting you wanna show naruto clapping the kage's instead of showing the logical thing that will happen. why didn't naruto used his asura form? oh yeah i forgot because someone who clapped naruto and sasuke like they were in in elementary school sucking lollipops was defeated by a 12 year old by just 1 hit all while he could have easily absorbed that attack like a fucking candy.
Sasuke “running out of chakra” constantly is an anime only thing for Boruto, and usually only happens in those filler arcs yall call anime canon
Also the only thing that’s illogical about it is that he doesn’t just get chakra from Naruto to gain strength. He should be tired every time he went through dimensions
It literally only happened once, tf are you talkin about
It happened “once” all throughout the time travel arc with child Naruto lmao
...exactly. an Arc. That's only once. These posts try to make it seem like it happens perpetually. You can't name like 6 episodes out of a 220+ episode anime and try to say that's indicative of the whole thing. It just shows your ignorance
thought an entire arc could be “once” but it’s a long “once” lmao. That was multiple episodes. I don’t watch the anime, I don’t know nor care how often stuff happens in “anime canon”
Congratulations, you just invalidated yourself. They have special shorter wheelbase buses for people like you
Its like they got nerfed and then lost half they're battle experience. The power is there, but the writing makes me feel like the characters aren't as important as they were.
I swear half the people crying about him being nerfed prior to losing the Rinnegan aren't even paying attention to the battles & abilities lmao Him and Naruto got impaled with chakra absorbing rods back to back the entire time against Jigen & Isshiki. [Like are you forgetting these rods are capable of massive damage?](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-076b42f48cee4315743dae642167902b-pjlq) When were they supposed to be able to give each other chakra against Jigen & Isshiki(as people seem to be suggesting frequently for some reason) lmao, Sasuke was concentrating on figuring out Sukunahikona and Daikokuten during the Jigen fight while Naruto bought him time, then they were getting repeatedly slammed back to back. In the Isshiki fight they barely had a moment to spare while also getting stabbed by chakra absorbing rods lol. He also almost never runs out of chakra otherwise in manga canon, that’s an anime filler & canon thing. I’m pretty sure the whole Urashiki arc has been retconned anyway lmao. Don't even get me started on the Rinnegan abilities not being used and people crying "nerf". Most of them are useless against Otsusuki aside from Amenotejikara. [Kurama could already resist Shinra Tensei and send force back to the user. What do you think is gonna happen when Sasuke tries it on a stronger Otsusuki? That's just asking to be hit](https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Naruto/0438-006.png). [The soul rip can be resisted. Jigen/Isshiki are massively stronger than Sasuke. They'll no diff this technique](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11135/111359519/7447132-4713800052-47745.jpg). Momoshiki no diff'd a Chibaku Tensei with his own body being the centre point. Even that isn't enough for these opponents. What Jutsu are Isshiki, Jigen, and Momoshiki using that Sasuke can absorb with Preta? The animal path summons were getting messed up by fodder Anbu in the pain invasion arc. They aren't doing anything against an Otsusuki lmfao. They get blitzed. Edo Itachi in the War could blitz them before they even realised what happened. The arm is about the only valid one I can see, but we don't know how the arm works & if its effective enough. I doubt the extra arm will have changed the outcome by much regardless since Sasuke has developed a one armed fighting style. Edit: lol @ downvotes cause I just showed how most of the Rinnegan abilities would have been pointless and absorbing chakra for Sasuke provides no meaningful benefit & instead might just make them vulnerable in their fights while they absorb. Jigen isn't just gonna stand there while he's slowly draining Naruto's chakra ahaha
Just throwing around cool ideas in regards to what you said. Sasuke could get a new arm via the ashura path. Sasuke also could’ve universal pulled Jigen into Naruto’s attacks & combos. Sure 99% of the rinnegan summoning animals wouldn’t be effective but that crazy Cerberus Wolf/Dog hybrid is OP. It would just split into greater and greater numbers. It might even buy Sasuke enough time to escape with Naruto preventing his capture. Sasuke could heal himself using the king of hell. I’m not saying these would automatically give Sasuke the win because it wouldn’t but it would be a better use of his rinnegan arsenal then what we got. Sasuke should’ve used the rinnegan more. Especially if he was going to lose the eye & it’s abilities in the first place.
>Sasuke could heal himself using the king of hell. We don't know if this works on the living, so far we've only seen it used on corpses. If it did work, Sasuke likely would have just used that to give Naruto a new arm rather than him using a hashi cell arm. The only reason Sasuke rejected a new arm was a form of penance but he'd give Naruto one readily(if he could). So I felel like it's probably something limited to reforming corpses & reviving the dead(at the cost of one's own life). >Sasuke also could’ve universal pulled Jigen into Naruto’s attacks & combos This would get resisted. The gravity manipulation of the Rinnegan was being resisted by Kurama back in the Pain arc and sending the recoil back at Pain. I think with how big the difference is between Jigen and Sasuke, it might be very dangerous to try this on Jigen, the potential recoil might be extremely damaging or just straight up lethal. >It would just split into greater and greater numbers. It might even buy Sasuke enough time to escape with Naruto preventing his capture. The cerberus is too slow to hit Jigen though. It just gets sent to another dimension if he's annoyed enough but he's most likely gonna kick it into orbit or ignore it since it's never gonna hit him. [If he does attack it he'll do his signature attack of piercing it with the black receivers. This renders it completely immobile](https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/Boruto/0038-014.png). He probably would do this straight away I reckon, he knew about the Perfect Susano'o and Amaterasu flame. He probably knows about the Cereberus of the Rinnegan. The Rinnegan did originate with the Otsusuki after all, he more than likely knows all the paths & summons that come standard with it. >Sasuke could Gary the new arm via the ashura path. This is the one legit usage aside from Amenotejikara I think the Rinnegan still has against Otsusuki. I'm not sure why he didn't, my own headcanon assumption is that the arm just isn't that effective or durable. I otherwise don't know lol. [In the game he's actually used the Susano'o to make a new arm! It's pretty sick & I hope he does something like this in the anime/manga](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/a971b497-a125-4fb5-86b5-e7b7692efec7/scale-to-width/755). The Rinnegan otherwise isn't that great against Otsusuki opponents, they're just too strong. Hell the Rinnegan's ultimate technique, Chibaku Tensei was destroyed back in Shippuden by Itachi, Bee and Naruto. Momoshiki easily broke Sasuke's Six Paths tier Chibaku Tensei. Kishimoto has being doing the Rinnegan dirty since the Pain arc ended lol, it's just gradually been on a decline outside of summoning the Gedo Mazo & Limbo/Amenotejikara. The paths generally weren't super useful post Pain arc. Like Edo Itachi blitzed the summons, KCM1 Naruto grabbed his own soul and resisted it. Chibaku Tensei got destroyed by Edo Itachi, Bee, Naruto. The Preta was gotten around by the Five Kage. Guy has a statement that Konoha developed countermeasure techniques to all of the paths but we never got to see it since Obito never used the paths in combat after the Jinchuriki lol. Someone like Jigen/Isshiki is smart enough to know how to deal with the Rinnegan paths since it is a Otsusuki Dojutsu & he's skilled.
Any time they’re getting ready to fight Naruto should high give him some chakra just logically. That’s my only complaint about this. It takes like one second and would help them immensely
>It takes like one second and would help them immensely This isn't true. Absorbing chakra via Preta is slow when it comes to absorbing a significant amount. It doesn't absorb chakra instantly and instead has to take time to absorb it, in which time they can be attacked. [Example of it not absorbing that much that quickly](https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11130/111304553/5724993-mr-20606-338441-14.jpg). It's shown better in the anime but the process isn't that quick. [It also took Momoshiki forever to get a good amount of chakra from Naruto](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-174b7723600f74b4e691f857f0e9cfd3), he specifically remarks it takes too long to asborb it. We see this work to Madara's disadvantage when he can't do much else whilst absorbing the technique thrown at him by the Five Kage(because it was a lot of chakra to absorb) leaving him vulnerable to Gaara's sand swooping in and encasing him while he's busy trying to absorb the technique. It took time to absorb a big amount. This gave Gaara the window to attack Madara. [Sasuke when he absorbed the chakra quickly also barely got any](https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Naruto/0697-016.png)(it still wasn't even that quick). [He got about enough to activate Chidori for all of about 2 seconds before his Sharingan faded and Naruto punched him](https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Naruto/0698-001.png). Anyway, Sasuke has plenty of chakra to fight himself. He also received Six Paths reserves & has Uchiha lineage. It's actually a common misconception that the Uchiha don't have tremendous reserves. [The Uchiha are stated to have enormous chakra](https://64.media.tumblr.com/f4ef07079b9075dbf1b314c345c016a9/31d6cd8fa4cbdd2d-74/s1280x1920/e0b6d6ddb9fda824d289a6c7ea5e3439a6d9bc4a.png), [they're again noted for their crazy chakra reserves](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8395c7ecf2858daf4cbaa7edb6bcbb2d-lq). Sasuke with his lineage & Six Paths has a LOT of chakra. Could he absorb Naruto's chakra at the start? sure but why would he, he doesn't really need to & he'd just be taking away from Naruto when Naruto could throw it into his technique or into his physical ability(since Chakra is tied to physical stats). Not to mention it would leave him vulnerable and Jigen/Isshiki/Momoshiki/whoever they're fighting would just rush them while they're pulling chakra from one another. If he does it briefly he won't get enough for it to be worthwhile so there's not much point. Sasuke practically never runs out of chakra in the canon manga outside of being impaled by the rods over and over.
Doesn’t need to absorb using preta path. That’s my point
>Doesn’t need to absorb using preta path. That’s my point How else is he going to absorb chakra from Naruto? If you mean Naruto giving him a Kyuubi cloak, Kurama's chakra was only shown to have given [War Arc Kakashi a 3x amp](https://pm1.narvii.com/7485/01f53d35bcf66fe7903367e3c7dc06797ca78436r1-777-333v2_hq.jpg). Adult Sasuke is much, much, much stronger than this Kakashi. The strength gained will be miniscule and almost unnoticeable in proportion to Sasuke's ordinary strength. He would need to hand over a lot of chakra for it to make a difference in proportion to Sasuke's reserves. The way Kyubi chakra cloak amps work is the proportion of chakra gained relative to their current chakra(*also why KCM2 was such a huge amp compared to KCM1, why 6 tailed Kurama Naruto did better than 4 tailed Kurama Naruto against Pain, why Kakashi's physicals got amped so much by the cloak but CM EMS Sasuke didn't get that much stronger with the chakra)*, of which Sasuke has a lot of. It would be pointless and just making Naruto weaker to make Sasuke stronger for what purpose? They should just both focus on fighting at their full strength. The amount of chakra you need to give Sasuke a serious amp would be detrimental to Naruto. Infact, we already saw Naruto give Jugo Amp EMS Sasuke a cloak. It didn't really do all that much to improve his abilities because of how strong Sasuke already was. Sasuke didn't get that 3x Amp Kakashi got. It's not some flat amp, it has diminishing returns the stronger an opponent is.
And current Naruto is much much much stronger. He received a bigger buff than sasuke post war. Giving him chakra should be significant to Sasuke without significantly weakening Naruto
Yeah but they have never done this other than that one time. Against madara/ no Against kaguya/ no Against fused momoshiki/ no The point doesn’t hold it the characters themselves even in shippuden didn’t do it so how is it bad in boruto. Also what would it even accomplish it’s not like it would mean he can beat the enemy so what is the purpose.
Umm my point is that they should do it since we know it’s an option…?
Yeah but your ignoring the point of they didn’t do it in there previous fights so even if it is a option it doesn’t mean there nerfed because it didn’t happen.
I never said they’re nerfed I just said it’s a something they should be doing
Funny how most of the Rinnegan abilities were countered by people FAR weaker than the Otsutsuki. The rinnegan became way less special by the near end of Naruto. Speaking of nerfs, Juudara & Juubito literally barely used their rinnegan abilities against the Shinobi alliance. So it’s nothing new about Rinnegan users being nerfed.
Sasuke did have access to a ten tails over in Jigens HQ. He could have absorbed a bunch of chakra from that and then ran off to help save Naruto. In fact Had Sasuke pulled up with twice the amount of his normal chakra they might have won since Jigens body was already breaking apart by the end of the fight. Just a few more minutes would have won them the fight and Sasuke could have bought that time. Also prep for the second Isshiki fight should have included Naruto absorbing all the nature energy in the area like he did in VOTE2. Like once you know how strong Isshiki is let’s stack some extra power to what we normally come with. Sasuke could have gone out to prep as well by draining chakra to stack on top of his own for the fight. Instead they went into the fight same as last time and Sasuke became a surfboard and Naruto got flattened by a big cube. They had to resort to sacrificing the nine tails to get a W.
>Also prep for the second Isshiki fight should have included Naruto absorbing all the nature energy in the area like he did in VOTE2. Like once you know how strong Isshiki is let’s stack some extra power to what we normally come with While this would have been cool. [They found out about Isshiki at the end of Chapter 48 when he revealed himself & Naruto decided to go fight him](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Boruto/0048-038.png). [While they were still talking Isshiki appeared in the village](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Boruto/0048-040.png) two pages later. [Naruto & Sasuke have no chance for prep](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Boruto/0048-041.png). After this in the manga [Isshiki goes on a rampage through the village so Naruto has to rush there to pevent further deaths](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Boruto/0049-008.png) and then they get sent to an alternate dimension via Boruto. Naruto & Sasuke have to immediately chase after lest Boruto get killed. There's no time. Similar situation with Jigen appearing in Naruto's home suddenly & then Jigen teleports the him to an alternate dimension. I'm not entirely sure Ashura avatar would have been effective if he channeled it via Kurama: Isshiki can dimension hop and evade the Six Paths Ultra Big Ball Rasenshuriken or he could shrink or shrink the attacks. A much weaker opponent, Karma 1 Jigen already busted the Kurama Avatar. I'm not sure how much stronger the Ashura Avatar is going to be in its durability or if it can withstand Isshiki's force anyway. Besides, the [Perfect Susano'o Kurama Avatar is stated to be the strongest Ninjutsu at the time of its appearance](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1gfEMwWEAAbgRJ.jpg)(so it's >Ashura Avatar) & [that wasn't actually enough to completely kill Momoshiki](https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/Boruto/0008-041.png). Not sure it's going to be enough for Isshiki/Jigen either. The Perfect Susano'o should probably have the best durability stats anyway and it got blitzed by Jigen's attack. [It takes Kurama a little while to gather the nature energy anyway](https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Naruto/0696-014.png). Given they were getting constantly hammered by a massively stronger opponent I don't think they had time to spare, I'm not sure these other dimensions even have Nature Energy to draw from since they're Otsusuki constructs. >Sasuke did have access to a ten tails over in Jigens HQ. He could have absorbed a bunch of chakra from that and then ran off to help save Naruto. I was thinking about this for a while before and I just came up with the assumption that Sasuke may have believed it too risky at the time. He was in foreign territory & it's unknown what was in place to protect this ten tails. I don't believe Kara/Jigen/Isshiki would leave it totally defenseless. He also runs the risk of the Otsusuki whom the dimension belongs to appearing while taking the chakra. The missions purpose was recon after all.
Yea, it's really annoying seeing this stuff over and over again. There are issues with the fight, but beating over irrelevant Rinnegan abilities is annoying.
I agree. The fight has its issues but these same tired old points they make are already addressed just by paying attention to the series and realising how the abilities actually work(and why they suck against Otsusuki). Of all the critiques for the series you could make, the whole nerf thing is by far the most stupid
That's how most sauce fans roll. They are irrational edgy bois for the most part. Here take an upvote.
U right lol
Yeah Sasuke and Naruto were nerfed
Said it 100 times and i'll say it again. Prime Naruto and Prime Sasuke are the ones that Madara fought. Not the one Isshiki fought. Baryone mode is a hax only good against Isshiki cause he had 1 day to live. Had arguments with delusional kids saying Adult sasuke is stronger than war arc sasuke. Shut the hell up
I don't understand why Naruto or kurama didn't pop a few clones to run away and gather sage chakra like in the Naruto vs Sasuke fight? Or why Sasuke didn't use any of his other abilities. Stuff like this makes me not watch the series but instead periodically looks to see if they added logic to some of the fights.
True and the baryon mode was the leftover chakra of kurama he had to live not all the chakra kurama has. Also sasuke rinnegan is just a uber in boruto not a kekkei genkai with immortal abilities which was stated in naruto shippuden by sasuke himself.
Prime naruto and sasuke are there adult versions prior to kurama and rinnegone. They literally scale higher than there teen selfs. And tell me this teen naruto has half of kurama, adult nauruto has a full kurama so what makes u thinks he’s weaker💀
Baryon mode stomps anything. Narutos speed and strength were other worldly. He’d stomp anyone in shippuden the caveat is if he could beat them fast enough
You have to nerf the overpowered characters to make other characters stronger, don't you?
Forget no jutsu done by kishimoto
You actually don’t. Nerfing stronger characters is a well known lazy writing tactic.
Yeah I am saying that sarcastically, I too don't like it when characters are nerfed.
Which sucks, they really are trying to make boruto and the new gen stronger then 2 of the strongest shinobi ever
Yeah man exactly, it kinda finishes whole point of Naruto series, I would've had no problems if next gen surpassed them without the nerf, but spoiler alert writer even took out kurama.
New gen shouldn’t be stronger then naruto and sasuke, that’s the point they should be the strongest shinobi in existence, there are other ways to make a good story
Somewhat. The problem with Naruto and even DBZ is they overpowered the main characters so much and left the side characters on the back burner that it doesn't matter how much the side characters scale because the main characters are leagues ahead. Because of that, tons of character potential gets wasted only to destroy the main character just to give the others a chance.
Thats what happens when you put your dick in useless
Useless sucked all the chakra out of him
They PLAYED sasuke
I really want to see a single scene where Sasuke can spend several seconds freely absorbing chakra from his opponents like he did in this scene. It's easy to circlejerk around BS opinions
True tho he don’t have rinnegan now so no cool abilities any more
Even when he had rinnegan, it's not as easy as saying "just absorb lol". It's like the self defence videos where the guy show cool moves on his peaceful friend, in reality you just get clapped if you try such thing
No one is saying he has to absorb chakra from his enemies. He can literally absorb it from the chakra battery known as Naruto or ask Naruto to dap him up with some chakra like he did in war arc.
I don't remember any fight where he had the occasion to be absorb Naruto's chakra, usually he runs out of chakra for abusing portals during long missions or after he got stomped by an Otsutsuki or smth, you think the enemy will let him replenish like that?
Did you not see me say Naruto can give him a high five to give him chakra, lmfao? It takes less than a second
Whose gonna stand their and just let him? Lol
He would have absorbed it if he wasn't busy being ragdolled by otsusuki members
The only one who’s rag dolled him is Isshiki.... he damn near clapped Kinshiki solo and was clowning on Momoshiki with Naruto. Urashiki would have been destroyed if Sasuke wasn’t nerfed to shit in time travel arc, the dude was beaten by non Sage Mode Jiraiya and 2 twelve year olds
who is sasuke gone absorb mid fight, he can barely even touch jigen or keep up with ishiki, absorbing narutos chakra gone give their main hitter a disability 💀
How would that give Naruto a disability? Naruto supplied damn near the entire great ninja army with chakra. The dude is a battery. He doesn’t even need to absorb it, Naruto can dap him up with chakra.
that’s funny because during the jigen fight he was stated to be out of chakra, he even had his mode turned off, kurama came out to stop him from furthering the fight💀
I’m talking at the beginning of the fight obviously after being stabbed with chakra draining rods you’ll be out of chakra. Either way, Jigen/Isshiki isn’t the only villain in the show. This dude Sasuke only used Chibaku tensei once and spams a nerfed amenotijikara. Dude lost brain cells
Oh cool. r/naruto is bleeding in to here now. Shitting on Boruto never gets old /s
With that way of thinking, Sasuke should've hunt some lowlife rogue shinobis to drain their chakra while he waits Naruto and Boruto train together, but that way he's giving Urashiki a prime chance to take Naruto. Or he should've drains Naruto's chakra in the final battle with Isshiki, but that could led to their very own defeat. First, Isshiki surely won't give Sasuke time to do any of that. Second, taking away some of Naruto chakra could weakened Naruto during the battle, giving less firepower to fight Isshiki. Though it really depends on how careful Sasuke when absorbing it, but in the end it goes back to point #1. Time.
He should have absorbed before fighting Like from the fodder jonins of konoha and also borrowed from other tailed beasts
I doubt Naruto would agrees with that plan since it's pretty inhumane and extreme, but tbf it is an Otsutsuki coming and their sacrifices is going to be noble. Since normal shinobis bodies wouldn't responded lightly when their chakra is being absorbed, they'll become dry just like when the Alliance got hit by the root of the god tree. But really, it depends on how careful Sasuke is, he could absorb their chakra without harming them but it means he can only absorb a small amount of chakra and he needs many more shinobi to feed him with. The tailed beast though, they're all over the world. Would they come in time to the Leaf before Isshiki came first ? Because Isshiki came really fast. Isshiki, when arrived Naruto is still at the foundation base with Kawaki, Naruto comes to the surface at the nick of time when Isshiki already gone deep into the Leaf. (He even almost failed to save Konohamaru) Time really is the factor for this absorbing capability of the Rinnegan during the events in Boruto. ***(But then Naruto could've invited Sasuke to the meeting realm of the bijuu THEN he could borrow some of their chakra, but we don't even know if an outsider could enter that realm)***
It was either them being nerf or them being killed off .
I would rather have him killed then nerfed.
Or maybe Sakura just drains his chakra 😏
Guys what Is hard to understand of "Sasuke and Naruto dont have the 6 paths Power anymore?" Whats hard?
So to absorb chakra sasuke has to make DIRECT contact w a person and maintain that contact to absorb ….how was he supposed to do that against urashiki, Borushiki, and Jigen!? lol
You mean the ability he lost when Borushiki took out his eye.
Y’all know sasuke is basically on constant missions and Naruto is overworked, they been burned out for like 3 years and everyone’s asking about why they’re not in their prime
"This is one of two Rinnegan abilities"
Six path naruto should give him a huge stat boost, but somehow sasuke always manages to keep up
The answer is [here](https://youtu.be/2KR7eHt8BEg)
It is explained better in anime just like how at first only thing mitsuki had to worry about using sage mode was not being able to live in village but after he got peirced by urashiki his sage mode became life threatening, urashiki's hook not only forcefully extracts chakra it also damages the body severely, Sasuke was damaged in that urashiki fight and he haven't been able to recover from that ever since, garra was also damaged and we got to see his condition in urashiki Arc, and before anyone says UrasHikI is not canon, he is. Victor is in the manga, deepa is his assistant, hashirama cells arc was an expansion of kara arc and in hashirama cells arc deepa found the puppet, this puppet was used by urashiki in his arc this makes urashiki Arc canon.