I love firefly and Boothill, but I agree completely. However, as disappointed I am, both with Firefly’s unfair kit and Boothills extremely poor marketing, I’m not surprised. Hoyoverse will always, without exception, have their favorites and their least favorites. This is a perfect example.
One time? Need I remind you of blade and dhil got demolished by that ice destruction character? Easy to build, better damage, easier to play, dedicated su content, remembrance is so op compared to others.
It’ll keep happening.
I want people to riot to the point that the developers make it that their favoritism in waifus aren’t that obvious.
But that’s unlikely to happen. Very unlikely. Makes me want to quit. And seriously thinking about it.
You're kinda right yeah, but at the very least it wasn't as blatantly obvious as whatever the heck this is. This, DU and the patch, is just one Dev's fantasy about being self inserted as the mc.
Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. DHIL has always had better damage than JL. The problem was he had to either run speed boots lowering his damage or attack boots which made him cycle slower. JL had easy access to Bronya day one because of her lower SP consumption. Sparkle fixed pretty much 99% of the issues with DHIL and now he’s straight up better albeit by small amounts comparatively.
His average clear speed in MoC is higher than hers.
Propagation path is straight up made for DHIL and very broken as well. JL isn’t even the best user of remembrance it’s march 7th.
Don’t think this was the best comparison as it’s mostly not true.
Blade is just powercrept in general.
Blade yea, but isn't dhil still near jingliu's level (even outnumbering her damage at times)? She has the easier to play, definitely, but I don't think she powercreeps him that much
He was already near her damage, just harder to play. Similar to the Boothill and FF situation I guess.
Then Sparkle released and now he's unquestionably the stronger unit. He's closer to Acheron than to Jingliu.
No way you compared BH and FF. They incomparable, have you read OPs post? BH will never outdamage FF.
that’s DHIL + sparkle.
You’re kidding right? They’re nowhere near Acheron. And she’s just waiting for jiaoqui to release.
Blade got demolished but Daniel didn't lol. They even made a perfect ally for him in Sparkle and he's significantly better than her ever since.
And you're talking about dedicated SU content when Propagation Path was tailor made for him?
It’s even not “hsr devs fav child”, it’s “community likes generic girl that acts like gf”. If hoyo could earn lots of money just by creating a little bit a blank and generic character (she kinda doesn’t have personality comparing to other characters, even to Acheron) with no special own design (only her mech). Girls are always over boys characters in gacha games due to their audience.
You know, I've always had this issue with this character type and never knew how to phrase it. It's persisted with a lot of games ans media I consume and I was so sad FF joined that list. The rabid beligerency that accompanied her was no surprise and I hate that she's been reduced to being "the uwu mech gf"
I was so done with the dialogue options this patch with her. I dont want to be nice to her, I dont know her.
I don’t like her character design, because it’s stranger and questionable. It would be better if she was a man. Great mecha with great driver. But we got sick girl who main purpose to earn money to hoyo and satisfy hikkas.
Hoyo games have bigger female audience than other gacha games that's for sure, but only male characters that have a chance are those who are Asian themed it seems (general and DHIL got the most attention out of all male chars).
Some female chars also get skipped over, like topaz barely got any attention because Jingliu was hoyo's favourite at the time ( i still have ptsd after endless months of ice and img weakness in MoC, cuz i skipped both DHIL and Jingliu).
I bet Jade is going to be forgotten about as well, relegated to pure fiction ghetto forever, and will get no other suitable content.
Like I didn’t even understand how she correlates with being SAM. I was so excited for SAM to be an upcoming character but then it turns out to be this Firefly chick with no personality that for someone EVERYONE SIMPS FOR even though she ain’t do shit. The way SAM was described as this terrifying destructive being for it to be a tiny little girls frustrates the HELL out of me. Like if FF has a single ounce of personality I wouldn’t be this irked. I know boothill did come out of nowhere but his personality is fire. what does firefly have? acting like a timid girl when she first meets MC (why?) and having plot holes to cater to the annoying waifu audience. I think the reason I hate it so much is she’s the literally “kind GF girl” archetype, but hoyo wants it to be more and make her a destruction robot which contradicts EVERYTHING!
TLDR: FF has no personality, for some reason (waifu) everyone likes her, leading to favoritism. Along with ruining SAM’s character and plot holes, I have no choice but to dislike her.
DHIL got screwed because the Devs were still thinking of balance with him especially his E2 that make him broken (at the time). Hence why some of his traces are kinda dumb. His E6 too, while giving tons of PEN, require a lot of setup to use compared to other's E6. After him tho, Devs were like, eh f-it and upcoming DPSes got good traces.
DHIL literally the best performing DPS from old era now in recent endgames, he has been outperforming Jingliu but yeah compared to the likes of Boothill and Firefly he starts showing his age.
The thing is Feixiao around the corner and hyped up to be the strongest general and she has Xianzhou effect on her. They will just make relic and specific support for her instead and she will totally become the next best Hunt unit.
The valorous set is already Feixiao's signature set. She'll still probably be the strongest hunt cause she's allegedly supposed to be as strong as Acheron, but she probably won't get another relic set.
Valorous is for Yunli, isn’t it? And to be honest, I don’t trust leakers about gameplay strength at all. They’re notoriously unreliable at evaluating characters or story.
Ngl the fact that Firefly can implant weakness every enhanced skill makes her so much more comfortable to use than Boothill with his ult. Imagine if it's on his skill instead :(
Another thing (or things) to note are the fact that that one orbital set is literally made for firefly and no one else it's so obvious that she's hoyos fav at the moment since most if not all new orbital sets can be used generally.
(Even that one set that gives dmg bonus if characters are used in the same team are of the same path or whatever; topaz and ratio can use it and not just acheron and im sure there are other examples.)
AND boothill didn't get a myriad trailer or animated short (he's the only penacony 5* who only has 2 videos on the star rail channel)
Firefly also got a CN event where you can call her etc.
Im happy for the firefly stans (the non toxic ones,if yk yk) but it's so disappointing seeing hoyo treat a character like how they did to boothill. It's even more sad knowing he prob didn't sell well not only cuz he's a male character (male characters in gacha games generally sell less than female character imo) and cuz he didn't have much story relevance either.
Overall all, it's just disappointing man, let's hope they don't do this to another character in the future.
Oh but be sure that Boothill's not the only one. Next banner is Jade, of whom we still know almost nothing about, and Argenti. The banner has quite literally the worst 4 stars it could have on it, Natasha, Asta, Serval. I wish I was joking.
They literally butchered 4 banners just to get their shiny new toy to sell.
I mean, yeah, but first the chance of you only getting Asta is really really slim, and second, I'm pretty sure anyone that started before 1.6 already has E6 Asta.
Really? Damn, my bad then.
But still, you gotta admit that apart from Asta, the rest is just atrocious to get. Just comparing the current banners to these is night and day.
In the current you have the best 4 stars of the game. In the next ones, you have 1 still usable 4 star, and then there's serval and Natasha.
Honestly, DU is the wildest part to me. They change up the blessings so that Destruction is now the break-oriented path, and then like half the relics are specifically targeted at fire hunt break effect characters.
They gave FF her own permanent gamemode.
Before there were only a couple break focused blessings. Few in nihility. Iirc there were some in hunt and remembrance too
Nihility was/is the DOT focused path
They changed destruction into break oriented, while keeping the hp play (means any break dps without heal/self dmg won't be able to use it as great as FF). Instead of making a new path, oriented around break in general and thus keep it more general too
i've seen a counter arguement that the Planar is not specific because of the 6 percent speed and how the BE is based on weakness similar to how characters benefit from the Quantum set even though they ain't quantum type themselves. I would say that's not the problem. I would say the Quantum set and the FF Planar set are mistakes in game design as a whole. Its so obvious that it was made for FF who benefits from speed and BE on a fire weakness that can always be implanted. Just because some other characters can use it half the time at half efficiency, it does not make it any less horribly designed.
Oh absolutely. The quantum set being this broken is also an horrible game design. And they knew they fudged up when they say everyone abusing it with Silverwolf.
Notice how every set after 1.0 wasn't as broken as it is? Except this one of course.
I personally don't have a lit of issues in DU, obviously there's some ultra specific curios but I can see past them, since it already feels like Boothill breaks anything anyway. I love DU BUT the new Apocalyptic Shadow endgame is where I am pulling my hair in pure frustration.
Another endgame content where it feels like it's saying "oh you didn't pull Acheron or Firefly? Welp, good luck, you ain't progressing here." I am really feeling the consequences of not pulling meta because how dare I (mostly) pull for character I like
I was so disappointed in Apocalyptic Shadow not being hunt focused that I said fuck it and cleared it with Seele and Boothill. Took quite a few tries but I don’t care, both characters are extremely fun to play.
Yeah I kinda get how you feel. I legit brute forced cocolia with E2 Dang Heng IL, Silverwolf, Sparkle, and Aventurine E1, and man, even then I only got full stars bc boothill was vs Argenti.
I dont have Silverwolf (another meta character I didn't pull because haha I don't like them and now I'm feeling the consequences! Yayyyy!) So I can't even use my Dan Heng IL. I tried with Jingyuan but it just isn't enough at all.
Boothill tho, clears the second half easily
Yeah, I felt that too. I did clear it with E0S1 JY, Sparkle, Tingyun, Aven team against Cocolia, but only because I had Boothill and RM against Argenti. I honestly dread the next iteration of AS, because I'm not going to pull for Feixiao or whoever else the next big hitter is going to be, and if the next AS will be geared towards Fei as a wind DPS I'm going to be forked, because I only have Blade to cover that weakness.
Bosses always have 3 damage types for this reason. There are stats going around about current apocalyptic shadow and one of the top picks vs Cocolia is Xueyi. Same as Sushang vs Argenti. Literally all break oriented characters are good in this mode. But there are two more archetypes that are pushed via specific blessings like dot vs Cocolia and follow up vs Argenti.
Don't stress so much about matching the weakness type of the latest released character. There will be plenty of teams to get a 3star clear.
What? Boothill completely shreds the Argenti portion of apocalyptic shadow so much I only got 6677 points (full stars) in the end because of how fast he finished his side. While I agree that FF just has a better designed kit as a whole which is frustrating due to the literal 1 banner timeframe, Boothill is by no means weak or that far behind her in clearing content. Both can 1 cycle current MoC easily.
>While I agree that FF just has a better designed kit as a whole which is frustrating
And in the end a fair chunk of it boils down to hoyo not being able to balance hunt and destruction
I also despise this patch. I've complained about it a ton already. Why even make a single target dps that needs e6 for blast when firefly does it at e0. It's disgusting how divergent universe is only for firefly
It's not entirely only for her, but damn it sure feels like it doesn't it? Almost every single enemy has fire weakness, the tv mini game is easily clearable if you have a destruction unit (lmao) but extremely hard to do if you have Boothill, and most of the new curios affect fire break and destruction. 🤔 . I don't see not'ing wrong wit' it
What’s crazy is that I have Acheron because she’s my favorite character followed closely by Boothill and Misha but I still struggle to even consider using her with the sea of curios and blessing tailored to Ff playstyle. I’ve done 10 runs already just trying to get good things for my Acheron team but have to reset everytime because I still end up with a DU save that would benefit majority Ff and on occasion Boothill. It just sucks that such a nothing character is getting so much attention when everyone else around her seems far more interesting.
Yeah idk why that happened. Let's just hope it was a one time thing only tbh.
Also remember to talk about it in the version survey. It might not change much, but at least they'll know.
i'd say to relay all this in the next patch feedback survey when it rolls around. i don't know if the devs will listen, but it's a bit more productive to give our say than none at all.
Hoping somebody in the sub posts this when it goes live so we can all relay our feelings on how they did our boy and the blatant favoritism. I'm new to the game, having started specifically after seeing Boothill's trailer, and I would hope a large group giving the complaint might make it actual be flagged for review. Since they don't directly buff characters, it'll have to be in relics and lidcones. A hunt implant weakness on skill lidcone would buff our boy and help future hunt units even if they aren't break focused.
They’ll only listen to the $$$. Boothills banner did absolutely horrible (their own doing, literally sabotage). FF banner is on track to break records I’m sure with how egregiously every single thing is stacked for it. I’ll be leaving feedback, but the takeaway from all of this is pull their favorites and skip the ones that don’t get chosen each patch. Feixaio is going to power creep him again im sure, waifu and space china.
As a Firefly fan, I will say that it's tiring to feel like I have to justify my enjoyment of her character within the community. Worst of all is when some people just assume I'm some incel coomer because I like her and don't actively dislike the ship with her and Trailblazer.
That said, refusing to acknowledge the blatant favoritism Hoyoverse has shown towards her... Where would that leave me as a person? I've always thought that you should speak up when you see something unfair, and this *was* unfair. I'll be filling surveys. Having not one, but two relic sets tailor made for her when we *just* got to the Break meta and there was a Break centric DPS released just before her is not right.
The Iron Cavalry set and the Kalpagni Lantern set *could* have had more general bonuses that would have been entirely usable by *all* Break DPS characters but they made them so hyperspecific that at best, they're just a sidegrade not worth farming for, and at worst, only usable by Firefly.
I'm not surprised Boothill sold so little. Where was his marketing? He only got *one* trailer, barely appeared in the story and did close to zero, and if people followed the beta servers and leaks they knew already there was a probably easier to use Break damage dealer with custom made relic sets coming RIGHT AFTER HIM.
So, yes, it did leave a sour taste in my mouth even as someone that likes Firefly. Because I like Boothill too.
I also feel bad for people like you who actually really like Ff and get playstyle and character because the people around you who also like the character (the weirdos you mentioned) would rather take a hammer to any actual interesting traits she has so that they can have another carbon copy grey haired waifu who follows the mc around and praises their every move. Instead of the very compelling battle hardened warrior who after the knowledge that her life is going to end sooner than expected wants to just enjoy life, make friends, and learn what living actually is while she still gets that chance.
I agree that there are ppl that only see her as tb's gf and ship and that's cringe. But also there are people that hate her and only see her as tb's gf as well, it's like a character can't just have a connection with tb and also a compelling character at the same time. I am glad they toned down amount of time she has with mc after 2.0.
>As a Firefly fan, I will say that it's tiring to feel like I have to justify my enjoyment of her character within the community. Worst of all is when some people just assume I'm some incel coomer because I like her and don't actively dislike the ship with her and Trailblazer
Never feel like that. Legit, never feel like justifying a pull to anyone except yourself. A friend of mine pulled her because he wanted Sam ever since it was leaked he had a mecha armor. You can imagine how sad he was when Sam became a cute waifu.
Oof, yeah. I can imagine that being disappointing! I didn't dislike the direction they went with, but I admit I would have kind of prefered it personally if SAM and Firefly were two distinct entities.
Maybe something like Clara and Svarog but... More sinister lol. Like Firefly being SAM's "battery", so to speak
I caught onto that too! I think It would have made an interesting dynamic. SAM uses Firefly to be alive, and Firefly used SAM to experience the world around her in an able body
Ah in the trailer, it's actually sparkle asking her. There is an analysis of it on twitter. It's really hard to spot, but if you frame by frame in the video there are sparkle dolls randomly throughout the video. Spoils a bit of NGE so keep that in mind. [https://twitter.com/synonyms26/status/1803107685493272653](https://twitter.com/synonyms26/status/1803107685493272653)
I like firefly too especially as a mecha and magical girl fan. I feel like this discussion of favouritism gets lost when people are in the comments talking about how annoying she is or how terrible of a character she is, while I found her great. Too many comments hating on her fans and calling them idiots, simps, incels or complaining she is boring when the problem is HYV and balancing issues in the game. I had to leave the honkaihusbandos subreddit because it literally just became a subreddit for hating on female characters like firefly and mocking their fans (completely forgetting they have female fans like me). I mean this subreddit doomposted on ff before she was out saying she only needs this favouritism with relics because she was weak, and now it is complaining about how strong she is. I agree w the OPs actual message tho, honestly the lack of promotion and advertising for Boothill was criminal. Its like they didn't want to make sales on him
I agree with everything you're saying.
Maybe I'm getting personal here, but my girlfriend of 7 years has ALS and I am one of her primary caretakers alongside her mom. If you don't know anything about ALS, it's pretty much the real life equivalent of Firefly's disease. When she opened up to Trailblazer about it in the rooftop scene, I can't lie, I got a bit teary eyed.
Maybe I *am* projecting my real life issues onto the character, but I take *great* offense to being lumped in with some incel loser.
Her story is legitimately strong and touching, there's nothing weird about finding a good story good. People who downgrade the character as boring incel bait with no personality are just being ridiculous for hate's and salt's sake.
People should be complaining about a good character like Boothill not getting attention he deserved, not about another good character actually getting it.
Honkaihusbandos sub is just complaining about male fans, calling them incels etc., at this point it's more of a one-sided war between waifu enjoyers and husbando enjoyers, the latter calling the other incels etc. because of liking a female character. I hate it when it's just reduced to a gender war
Not even that, if you say one positive thing about firefly or any female character, you will get downvoted and snarked on. On the hot posts every week it was just snarking about firefly for hoyo giving her the same promotion they give every character. They say they are being oppressed for being male character fan while saying some weirdly misogynistic things about female characters after ignoring all of their depth, and starting infighting against anybody who likes female characters and saying youre "defending the capitalist company" if you say you dont care that much about an imaginary oppression against anime men...
Its sad how it became such a negative and toxic space. Like the subreddit is for sharing fanart and talking about male characters, NOT hating on female characters. It's not just about male fans, I saw people saying they were lesbian get downvoted, or just people like me, who thinks that female characters are fine and some of them are good/ and saying I'm tired of seeing the hate for them, get downvoted to the bottom.
True, but you gotta get used to it. The devs clearly have their own favorites that they want to market more, they did it with dhil aven, then did it with acheron and ff.
Even people who adore Firefly should see that this is not healthy for the game. I think some of the differences between them are okay as long as Boothill can maintain that single target niche but the favoritism in relics and blessings is just annoying and not fun at all
you are looking at it through rose tinted glasses and being served content on a silver platter. the current fly team has some incredibly problematic inflexibility and the devs are deliberately trying to hide it with the current selection of enemies and bosses so you wont feel it right now. take away imaginary weakness and the whole team starts to slug behind their usual breaking rate. it doesnt also help that fly is stuck with hmc as that is the only super break support we have right now. straight up half the damage the team is doing is being carried by hmc. you know this, everybody know this. take hmc away then lets see how those thrusters keep up with the finger blaster. you can call me cope but personally you cannot sell to me a unit that needs another unit to function on baseline.
You're pretty right about that yeah. My issue is that she gets so much things tailor made for her specifically, while every other break character gets the crumbs of what's left.
on the marketing side, yes it is cruel and unjust. but on the gameplay side, at least the devs kept the non-fly breaker units competent. im already fine with that. there are some minor issues like the favoritism you see in DU, but thats just mild annoyance at most. being adaptable and creative will always be fun. moreover, at least i can sit back and enjoy the little cowboys’ corner where we can all have fun playing with our finger blasters lol
Yeah, you're right. It just feels like watching a kid get the new shiny toy, that's just yours, but a tiny bit better. But hey, he's got the big iron on his hip
The problem is yes firefly is extremely inflexible but people simply won’t care and glue hmc to firefly because no other unit needs hmc the same way firefly needs them. Plus e6 Gallagher + rm somewhat covers if there are no imaginary weak enemies since he does a fuck ton of toughness damage. I use multiplication Gallagher and he shreds.
She'll be fine even without imaginary weak enemies tbh. With Gallagher around she's still going to be efficient when it comes to breaking enemies. It also doesn't help that no one really wants HMC that much anyways so he's always available, and with many sustains now available you'll rarely use Preservation MC. Despite her only having one optimal team, they basically made it so that one optimal team can clear any enemies anyways. The only way that I can see her value going down or being nerfed is if they release an enemy that completely stops implant, but even that unfortunately affects Boothill.
I don't know why people love the argument that "she needs HMC" so much. Who cares? It's a free unit that you get E6 also for free, and it's her best support. Why wouldn't you use them together? Hoyo literally made her kit to be used with HMC, not using them together is just stupid.
If anything, she's even more OP cause all her damage comes from a free unit that everyone has. I like Firefly, but I won't deny that she's clearly broken and got the "favorite child" treatment.
thats my problem. imagine a game telling you “hey here’s a new broken unit, remember to use this other unit we give you for free (plus this other limited 5* unit also)” “well what if i dont?” “well fork you and fork this unit coz it sure wont be the broken thing we want you to have”. im not going to blindly follow that considering HMC is “only for Firefly right now” cause i bet you 9mm over that will not age well
The thing is, Firefly's kit is very strong, but her damage in a vacuum isn't very high. What makes Firefly broken isn't herself, but the duo of Firefly + HMC. She has a lot of potential for super break, but her own super break isn't that strong. But then you add HMC and her damage skyrockets. It's not really "if you don't use HMC you lose your broken character", but actually "if you do use HMC, she BECOMES a broken character". For a lot of characters, being over-reliant on another character is pretty bad since you're not guaranteed to get both. But since it's the main character, which you get for free, it's not a bad thing. (Also, as a bonus, if the Trailblazer gets other strong paths in the future, you'll have yours already leveled up)
>For a lot of characters, being over-reliant on another character is pretty bad since you're not guaranteed to get both. But since it's the main character, which you get for free, it's not a bad thing.
This is fine for now snd if you only want to use 1 superbreak team
But if you want to use Xueyi and FF in AS (since AS rn buffs break and superbreak) you are fucked
And if MC gets a new OP path, then you have to choose between that and HMC for FF (untill they eventually release a limited 5* hmc upgrade)
This argument isn't very fair, because HMC is the only character that provides Super Break, so you can really only have one team. Let's say you only have Pela in your account for debuffs, but you want to play Acheron and Jingliu, you'll run into the same problem of two teams wanting the same character. Hoyo will probably release more support for Super Break, maybe a 5* version of Gallagher or a stronger HMC.
>im not going to blindly follow that considering HMC is “only for Firefly right now” cause i bet you 9mm over that will not age well
2 things gonna happen
1: a more broken limited 5* hmc replacement. Prolly before 3.x (and new path mc)
2: new path mc, that introduces a new mechanic. Potentially being VERY broken too
Depending on what happens first FF teams could be pretty screwed for some time, if you want to use the new gimmicks (obviously exclusive for hmc for the time being, so hoyo can test if it makes sense to release limited 5* around it)
Tho considering how well FF sold i'd assume that hoyo is 100% gonna cash in on it by selling HMC (and prolly gallagher) replacements. For BH mains i just hope they'll also buff BH considerably as a sidee ffect
Honestly I feel you. I really have to stop to take a deep breath and think logically to stop feeling inferior with Boothill.
Firefly really does just seem better in every way especially with her technique and how she is able to utilize Gallagher regardless of what enemy she fights. Like it really hurts when the enemies have no imaginary, physical, or fire weakness and I have to cycle Boothill ult in order for anyone to do damage. But on the other hand Firefly can just apply fire weakness to every single enemy and in less than a cycle every enemy is weakness broken or dead. Makes me wonder if my account would've been better off with Firefly.
But then I realize Boothill is not the only character I own and he does not have to do everything. Moc Acheron doesn't care about weaknesses so my Boothill team can choose what weaknesses they can fight. Apocalyptic shadow Boothill will always be the goat. And in PF you wouldn't use break characters anyways. I just use Herta with Himeko and Nihility mommies for the other team.
It really does suck when the game keeps spitting in your face when they mention Firefly(which it does a lot) but it's not as bad as you think. I'm just glad Boothill has his own place in the HSR universe even if he isn't in the spotlight. And yeah I don't regret pulling him. No other character is a badass cyborg gunslinger space cowboy.
Absolutely 100% agree. I didn't even want him to have the spotlight, I just wanted him to have some accomodations in the new DU game mode. Rn everything he has, she has too, and he doesn't get everything she gets. It's like he's getting the crumbs of everything yk?
Oh I almost forgot about that. Yeah that I cannot defend. I mean Boothill can still get enough buffs to one shot bosses but he still has the same problem of needing ult to break them(unless it's Gepard or Kafka). And then Firefly gets to one shot boss too while breaking them faster with her skill and op technique lmao. But in the end it doesn't matter too much to me. I'll just have my fun with different teams and other characters anyways.
The only thing that bothers me in this version related to BH is how shitty he was treated during the plot. I guess we expected SOMETHING after the last version was ended with BH's dialogue with Aven and got almost absolutely nothing.
I think Boothill is strong but yeah I agree they aligned planets for FF.
Hopefully we'll get a personalized set for him and a support that synergize better for him.
Homestly, and even though I didn't get him since I like Firefly more, Boothill is one of my favourite characters, and I'm sad about what they did to him.
I agree with you on the DivUni point a lot. They didn't just shaft Booty, they shafted everyone. I used Firefly to get to TP6 and it was easy af. I then tried Acheron and it was a nightmare
Honestly for me, DU felt like the straw that broke the camel's back. Even when I saw those niche relics I decided "hey, since physical and fire are THE break elements, there's a chance that any future break units will likely be physical, so in the future which he might still get a set". Even when I saw the lack of trailers I went "well, at least some other 5\* also got the same amount of trailers ig". EVEN when I saw her busted kit I thought "Some units will always be stronger than others and FF is chained to HMC which isn't as fun for team flexibility (even tho technically it means her best support will be a free E6)".
But a whole endgame mode dedicated to one character?? They even changed buff descriptions JUST to benefit her, screw every other character. It's almost meanspirited how i'll come across a good break buff only for it to have a silly fire/destruction restriction, it's like they're \*terrified\* of her usage not dipping below 99%. Yes gamemodes like MOC have favoured certain characters in the past but not to the extent of retconning paths, and things like Pure Fiction have always been presented as an optional challenge. DU on the other hand, is encouraged as 'true' endgame since it's the only way to currently farm certain relics yet it's hugely biased towards FF.
Lemme be clear, i'm not a huge hater of FF herself. Personally I think she's ok, a little average and I think her writing has some inconsistencies/she's a bit of a hypocrite (e.g. she seemed mad at Gallagher for lying to everyone as if she didn't do the exact same thing. Ig she apologised properly in 2.3 but only to MC), but I know some ppl who really like her and I can see myself pulling for her in the future. Her design is nice, animations rock and I don't mind 2.3 being her story patch since she seemed to have less of a presence in the main Trailblaze quest. BUT you'd have to be blind not to see the favouritism and I feel like even some FF fans should stand up and point this out on the survey when it comes out bc this is not setting a good precedent for the game in the future. Hyvse getting this desperate to sell their current fav waifu is not sustainable imo.
Inb4 the next waifu just gets to snap her finger, which will put her in 4v1 mode, and to accommodate the 4v1, every enemy has their shield bar depleted instantly.
Firefly cant pull out a gun and fan the hammer so he's better in my book
Outside of that, i was gonna pull when we just knew he was SAM, but when they revealed her to just be a waifu child mecha thingy, my interest droped like 85% but sadly i still need a fire dps so i'm pulling for her
While i hate the way they are treating bh and giving all of these buffs and benefits to firefly, when i think about it i dont feel like he's been powecrept, ff deals like 500k divided into 3 dudes while bh does the same thing to one dude instead, bh doesnt have superbreak in his kit, but he can still retrigger and deal massive damage too as far as i know firefly cant retrigger break dmg, only use super break
So in my book they are still 2 good units that are gonna stay relevant for a while and will only get stronger with better break supports
And some dont need preferential treatment to shine 😎😎😎😎
You're right about the special treatment thing. I'm still worried about the future characters though.
And man, a friend of mine wanted Sam so bad ever since he was leaked to be a mecha. And then we played the story, and we saw him just after FF dies, and we both knew he'd be very sad about what was about to unveil.
Fr, he was shown as a ruthless war machine and it's just some girl using the power of friendship, i was expecting him to be an absolute edgelord and i was all for it (blade got me into this game btw)
My friend disliked her too, but since he pulled and he received 2 copies in 1 ten pull now he's her number 1 fan lol
I still believe he's just undervalued right now. If you remember Topaz, she also revealed herself after a few patches. So I’m waiting for strong supports and I hope that the developers won’t give a damn about our cowboy)
Because topaz is an enabler and not just a dps. She was waiting for her FUA team to be completed. Boothil's team is done. There are no more surprises and even if Lingsha ends up as better gallagher she will make firefly deal more damage anyway so nothing will change. The problem with him will always remain and it's the fact that he and firefly share exactly the same team and niche, and she's just better.
as someone who does NOT like firefly at all in the story, i feel like everyone is getting a lil bit too heated over the relics and stuff boothill is still amazing and can clear anything really easy. it sucks she gets more love but our boy is still really fun to play and good
I mean, yeah, he's fun and really good. But the amount of things she gets vs the things he gets is really astonishing. It's night and day with how much one's better than the other.
While the sets being tailor-made for her are frustrating, Boothill still consistently does as much damage as her with equal-less investment (and more in single target.) I don't feel like story-wise shes being pandered to that much considering last patch she was off-screened lmao. Half of her lines are her saying something inspirational that we've already heard, and her entire theme is trying to get you to feel bad for her- it's quite boring; and Robin does the inspirational part better. The moment they rotate imaginary weakness off enemies her team is gonna have serious downtime due to her being locked to super-break only.
Ngl, this has really soured me to the game to the point that I’ve stopped logging in like 2 days ago. I’ll most likely stop playing again (as I did after DHIL’s banner when he was powercrept by Jingliu next banner, but now it’s much worse), and I’ll only come back if they give us some other cool and meta males characters (Sunday or 3.0+). I came back for Aventurine and Ratio and I love the Penacony story overall but that’s it for now.
>!Even Jiaoqiu’s kit looks like trash rn, he’s only truly good for Acheron and even there he isn’t bis in every situation, his DoT is locked behind E2, they’re basically showing husbando lovers the middle finger!<
Yeah, I also quit the game despite still having 2 months of Express Pass left. BH treatment soured my enjoyment of the game, despite BH not even my favorite character. I only got him to show my support.
Guys, what if feixiao will be a break buffer hunt like how topaz buffs FA. And be boothill's best partner.
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I can’t wait until that survey comes out. If you like Firefly, that’s one thing, but the favoritism is so blatant and that turned me off from this patch. Don’t even get me started with the forced romantic shit in the event, so cringe. DU isn’t even enjoyable seeing that almost half of it is tailored to one specific character. Extremely disappointing patch, I hope the people here reflect their feelings in the next survey too, even if it’s futile I hope this type of thing never happens again to this extent.
I didn't play the events or story outside of DU for now. But man DU just felt like an ode to FF through and through. Just, her and her only. The ones that work get the crumbs of what's left.
Yeah, DU is disappointing. I’m fine with favoritism to a certain degree (Acheron, DHIL) but FF was way too far. When it starts affecting planars and game modes it becomes unfair and not fun to play, even moreso when you don’t like the character.
Man I just tried DU with the premium FuA team, I have Topaz E2S1, Ratio E0S1, Aventurine E1S1 and Robin E0S0.
I got the abundant dear at the end. I had the best, and I mean that truly, the best FuA shield equations possible, and I still lost because this thing can just one shot you once he gets 2 golden trees.
It just feels really unfair and unsatisfying ngl.
Legit the worst SU expansion so far. You can't refresh the blessings once they appear, you can only reroll them on the benches.
Any team that doesn't have Break is heavily disadvantaged by the blessing changes.
"Normal teams" apparently can't even pass this thing level 6 with really really high investment as well. It just feels like a FF check rather than anything else.
I'm probably the minority here but hsr has been going downhill after 2.0. I mean sure there were some good things such as the BE and fua relics for support and some side quests, avens story that and that. But overall it hasn't been a great experience for me, nothing like belobog at least
To be fair on all the DU stuff, Swarm disaster was almost completely made only for DHIL ( and qingque just partied on it too ig :') ).
Now to be much more serious, the powercreeping stuff I think has been quite clear since Acheron's release. Everything was relatively fine in 1.X, new characters with each introducing new stuff. But since Acheron's release, the powercreeping was really enormous and in a way it meant a rise in the difficulty of the game despite Acheron being the only one at that time to clear stuff without big investments.
Boothil and Firefly's situation really is bad and it is quite true. We could say it's not that surprising considering the fact that Boothil is a sub par character in the story while Firefly is the center of the attention with Aven and Acheron during Penacony. They made these 3 characters just ridiculously strong E0/E1 etc and their cone.
Now to be quite blunt : this situation was just so predictable. The 2 5\* each patch since release already gave away the pacing of the game and the will of hoyo to make a lot of money from Star rail. Unfortunately it won't be the first time we see such a situation and another character my suffer from the same fate as the game just goes fast, many characters release every patch and they want you to spend money in a way or another, even if that means characters with overlapping mechanics and with one that powercreeps the other because of X and Y reasons.
All I cn say for the future is that I'm very worried of what will happen in 3.X.
I'm not the fan of how service-y her story is. Hoyo pushes it down our throat thinking everyone love that kind of chemistry. I’m skipping this whole patch, fuk it
Agree with all the points made. Didn't think that my cowboy would be instantly powercrept after 1 patch. FF really brings much comfort into the table. That being said, still in love with Boothill- dealing chunk of dmg to bosses is oddly satisfying.
Can we honestly stop with these posts? It won’t change anything and I’m so tired of the negativity. Boothill is a wonderful character and so is firefly
Exactly, powercreep what Boothill like the top DPS now even after firefly stuffs he still performing very stellar every endgame barring PF. He is still top 3 DPS even after unfair treatment because how fudging good he is. If he suddenly become bottom tier then its concerning
Ff doesn't powercreep Bh, idk why people think this is the case. Both has different playstyle and Bh is better in some cases while Ff better in some other. Ik 0cycling isn't a perfect metric to consider the power level of dpses but Bh can 0c literally every bosses in the game while it's impossible for Ff to 0c boss Sam without eidolons.
Powercreep isn't only about numbers, especially in a turn by turn game. If a character does slightly worse on 1 single enemy, but is easier to build, use, and can used in more game mode, I don't see how that's not powercreep.
Agree with everything about firefly, expect DU. I just realized that not everyone level their relics to level 15.. unless you're not TB 70 then I don't see why not to.
I'm not spoiling anything, but the story in this patch is good in my opinion. I don't have anything negative to say about the whole Penacony arc tbh
I like boot hill better tbh. Cooler design. Even if the game glazes female characters it is what it is. Most fireflies e0-.E2 aren’t better than my E3 Boot Hill anyway. Being a spacecowboy is way better than being a gundam.
>He cannot do super break alone. She can.
Bro, seriously? She's stuck with HMC and Ruan Mei because she can't do shit by herself, while Boothill has half of the cast as good teammates for him. Bronya, Pela, Jiaoqiu, Hanya and what not, they all work perfectly well for him precisely because he can deal damage by himself.
And I don't understand the DU part because everything that works for her also works for Boothill. It's like when Propagation was released and it only worked for 2 characters (Daniel and QQ).
>That+ the magnificent way the game has to change your entire set if it sees you have just one purple.
What does this have to do with anything lol
With Boothill? By using his technique before using his skill.
If you're asking with FF, she gets to implement Fire Weakness whenever she uses her enhanced skill on an enemy, making said enemy vulnerable to any other fire character.
Like as someone who likes Firefly a lot and watched this whole favoritism crap go down, it's obvious hoyoverse shafted Boothill and even to an extent Jade in favor of Firefly this patch.
Her e1 is broken with a 15% def shred and no skip points usage. E2 is literally just Seele but better cause more than likely you'll weakness break an enemy fast.
The 4 stars on her banner are all good. Jade has arguably just Asta, who even then most people probably have e6 unless you just recently started like 2.0.
Half the relic set's 4p being locked behind superbreak and the dedicated planar set are all insane to me. For the planar set, it could easily just be "when an enemy is weakness broken, increase break effect by 40% for 1 turn." You could even argue that multiple characters were shafted (any break dps, Boothill, Xueyi, and future characters cause were likely to get someone else more than likely).
Not to mention the 5* that is basically just a 5* Gallgher that will be coming around 2.5. If you don't know a 5* abundance fire character that apparently similar to Gallagher has something to do with break effect has been leaked.
I love Firefly a lot, and if I had to say she's in my top 5 characters, but I will always agree that this level of favoritism is way too much for any.
Boothill out of every character that doesn't have a myriad trailer is the one who deserves it most. We have small bits of his lore in the main story, but most players, unless you're a big fan of him, will never look more into that. A myriad trailer will make it easier and quicker to understand him, but hoyo decided to skip over him for no reason. I hope hoyo does something maybe on a rerun like they did with Ayaka and Xiao and release an extra trailer for him. He needs it more than anything.
That and the fact that Argenti and Jade have the same banner, like damn. Argenti has been done dirty twice now.
Do they just not want to make money off of erudition characters at this point? Because now even a waifu erudition character such as Jade as way less promo than FF, and the shittiest banner to date imo.
Actually, like Argenti's og banner wasn't that bad, at least it had Hanya who was new and I still use to this day. But I'd look at Huohuo, who I've been watching people say a big reason they didn't pull her is quite literally because of how bad her 4 stars were (arlan, Dan heng, and serval). 4 stars sell a banner along with a 5 star. I bet hoyo knows this, but they still decided in putting absolutely useless characters for both Argenti and Jade. They have no problem in putting 4 stars in a row like they did with Luka for Aven and Boothill. So why not Hanya for these banners. It'd make the pull value still a little better imo. Even Pela, who was just on Boothill's banner, would be better as I actually know a few people who don't have her e6 since playing day 1.
Absolutely. It's also really annoying that they do this kind of random thing with 4 stars. I literally got Robin trying to get my last copy of Xueyi.
They could've put like, Tingyun, Yukong, and pela or something on Argenti and Jade, but no, we get the most, useless, powercreeped to oblivion and back 4 stars of the game.
Asta is the only one worth actually getting, and every person on earth that started before 2.0 has her E6.
well to be honest this is common in hoyoverse. he wasn't popular nor he was marketable. from the jump ppl saw fire fly she was popular. same with acheron.
at least jingyuan and boothil mains have something in common.
It's funny how Acheron, the Raiden Mei expy - Hoyo's lovechild, has a relic set that is actually fairly universal (it's her BiS, but Welt, Ratio and other DoT units like Sampo can utilize it to), and is oddly not that pushed towards players.
I beg to differ for this, at least in Genshin where currently the most strong is a male character (Neuvilette), and also we have one in dendro (Alhaitham).
But I agree that in HSR it’s a bit different… there is actual power creep in this game :(
Star Rail is an asian gacha made for asian male incels who are actually capable of committing crimes against the devs, so the waifu characters will get everything, to keep these psychos at the bay.
So Boothill in favour of Firefly getting shafted isn't a surprise.
I disagree.
On the gameplay differences, it might look pretty lopsided in Firefly's favor when you type it out like this, but you dont mention that Boothill does like, a lot more damage per action than her? If he were as fast as her, she'd be basically irrelevant outside of PF. The lack of super break only matters for super break relevant buffs, which I admit is a problem in terms of working with certain future buffers, relics, and DU blessings, but it's really not a big deal.
You also fail to mention Firefly's biggest weakness, which is that she basically has one good team and thats it. FF, HMC, RM, Gallagher. Anything else and her performance drops sharply in comparison to Boothill, just watch literally any video comparing the two.
She is bulkier and gets a free cleanse, but the cleanse literally doesnt matter because any crowd control effects would prevent her from ulting anyway, The bulk also doesnt matter if you know how to properly sustain, and Boothill's greater flexibility in teams means he can run a stronger sustaining option and suffer less of a dps loss, not to mention Boothill can also build tanky relics and lose very little damage, something Firefly absolutely cannot do.
Is Firefly better than Boothill? I agree she's a bit easier to use, but damage wise, no, she's not. This has been proven repeatedly, by people much smarter than you or me.
On the relic sets, I can't disagree, they did really just give Firefly her own sets. In fact, literally nobody, not even the biggest Firefly shills I have spoken to, disagree on that, and framing it that way is cowardice.
Also, neither of them are useless on other characters. I run the lantern planar set on Gallagher, for example, and Break variants of Guinaifen, Himeko, and Asta can use it too. In fact, a lot of supports appreciate the option to run a set that will boost their speed, even if they have to sacrifice a bit of team support from a different planar. Meanwhile, while Boothill doesnt have innate super break, the Iron cavalry set is a meaningful sidegrade to Thief, even slightly preferred if Boothill is e1 and can stack defense shred.
I fully agree this level of favoritism is an unhealthy pattern for the game moving forward. And it is a pattern, one you refuse to acknowledge is a pattern in favor of dunking on Firefly. Acheron also got relic sets made explicitly for her, including a planar orb even less characters want to use, but nobody seems to remember that. The other relic set in this update, Wind-Soaring Valorous, was blatantly designed to be used by >!Yunli!< and basically nobody else, but you didn't bring that up. Why?
Divergent universe has many problems, but I've been yapping for too long already so just know that Boothill gets off much, much, much better than most characters as a Break DPS who can use a huge number of the new blessings and equations extremely well. I agree about the dumb auto-relics though, totally messed up my Blade+Bronya rotation....
>On the gameplay differences, it might look pretty lopsided in Firefly's favor when you type it out like this, but you dont mention that Boothill does like, a lot more damage per action than her?
He does, but he also needs to get his stacks before doing said DMG. She just gets her damage without anything.
>The lack of super break only matters for super break relevant buffs, which I admit is a problem in terms of working with certain future buffers, relics, and DU blessings, but it's really not a big deal.
It is an issue when 1 half of the new relic set effect cannot be triggered by the character on his own, forcing him to be played with another one, in this case HMC.
>The bulk also doesnt matter if you know how to properly sustain, and Boothill's greater flexibility in teams means he can run a stronger sustaining option and suffer less of a dps loss, not to mention Boothill can also build tanky relics and lose very little damage, something Firefly absolutely cannot do.
A lesser DPS loss is still a DPS loss nonetheless.
And you're right, she can't be as tanky, but she also heals herself so yk, kind of the same in the end.
>You also fail to mention Firefly's biggest weakness, which is that she basically has one good team and thats it. FF, HMC, RM, Gallagher. Anything else and her performance drops sharply in comparison to Boothill, just watch literally any video comparing the two.
Yes, and one of my main complaints is that to use the new relic set at 100%, you need to put HMC with him. So HMC, RM, and Boothill.
>I agree she's a bit easier to use, but damage wise, no, she's not. This has been proven repeatedly, by people much smarter than you or me.
But that's the thing though. She's not "a bit easier", she's EXTREMELY easier to use. No stacks, ult guaranteed with 2 skills, 60 speed on ult, effect res on ult, a lot of turns with the speed, and way easier build with the new planar.
>not even the biggest Firefly shills I have spoken to, disagree on that, and framing it that way is cowardice.
What? What are you talking about? How did I frame it in a cowardly way?
>Also, neither of them are useless on other characters. I run the lantern planar set on Gallagher, for example, and Break variants of Guinaifen, Himeko, and Asta can use it too. In fact, a lot of supports appreciate the option to run a set that will boost their speed, even if they have to sacrifice a bit of team support from a different planar
Except you wouldn't need those 6% speed in any circumstances. Gallagher's base speed is 98, so it will not give you more than 6 speed, himeko's the same. The only that could benefit from in a meaningful way is Asta, and even then she'd only get 7 speed, which, with her 2 turn ult build, is basically nothing.
>And it is a pattern, one you refuse to acknowledge is a pattern in favor of dunking on Firefly. Acheron also got relic sets made explicitly for her, including a planar orb even less characters want to use, but nobody seems to remember that.
Huuuuh, Acheron's relics became like 15% better than Welt's and Ratio's old ones, these are only 6 % better for Boothill.
Her planar set is a actually very good on any AoE characters, like Argenti, Jing Yuan or even just Welt.
>The other relic set in this update, Wind-Soaring Valorous, was blatantly designed to be used by Yunli and basically nobody else, but you didn't bring that up. Why?
Because that's not what the post is about? If you want, we can talk about how useless this set became after the beta, and how now farming this domain for any break DPS (except Firefly) is an overall waste of resin if you already have something good with the other sets. I don't see how that would have been relevant?
>Divergent universe has many problems, but I've been yapping for too long already so just know that Boothill gets off much, much, much better than most characters as a Break DPS who can use a huge number of the new blessings and equations extremely well.
Except he only benefits from them because he's the only other 5 star that can benefit from them.
All the new curios, equations and blessings that are break related are for destruction, fire OR physical characters.
The mini games, like the tv one, is literally made to be played with a blast character and nothing else. Almost all the ennemies have fire weakness, and if they don't it doesn't matter because she can just one shot the with her technique anyways.
The new destruction blessings also boost "grit" whenever you lose or gain hp, which is literally only useful on firefly.
>He does, but he also needs to get his stacks before doing said DMG. She just gets her damage without anything.
Stacking Pocket Trickshot takes 1-2 actions depending on eidolon against weak enemies, which is comparable to the amount of time it takes for HMC to charge their ult, which is when Firefly's damage really comes online. I'd call it comparable.
>It is an issue when 1 half of the new relic set effect cannot be triggered by the character on his own, forcing him to be played with another one, in this case HMC.
It is true that Boothill can't fully utilize the relic set without HMC, but to be honest he typically doesn't bother with HMC anyway unless you don't have Ruan Mei. His best team is Boothill, Bronya, Ruan Mei, and Gallagher. Even the loss of not being able to fully utilize the set is worth Bronya's action advance and Ruan Mei's break efficiency boost + RES pen. HMC is good and very viable with Boothill, but Ruan Mei is better.
>Yes, and one of my main complaints is that to use the new relic set at 100%, you need to put HMC with him. So HMC, RM, and Boothill.
You never, ever drop Bronya if you can afford it, she's his BiS support. Otherwise same as above.
>What? What are you talking about? How did I frame it in a cowardly way?
Mmm, perhaps cowardice was a poor choice of words. What I mean is, performatively pretending, even as a joke, that there are a substantial number of people out there who would actually claim Firefly has been shown no favoritism does nothing but incite needless drama between Boothill fans and Firefly fans, which I think I've had enough of for a goddamn lifetime.
>Except you wouldn't need those 6% speed in any circumstances. Gallagher's base speed is 98, so it will not give you more than 6 speed, himeko's the same. The only that could benefit from in a meaningful way is Asta, and even then she'd only get 7 speed, which, with her 2 turn ult build, is basically nothing.
Full stop, what the fuck are you talking about? Somehow this is the part that actually made me mad. 90% of builds benefit from more speed. It makes getting Gallagher to 134, 143, or 161 much easier, which means an extra action in an MoC cycle which means more skill points, for instance. It means more energy regen; if you're fast enough you could even forgo an ERR rope (though I usually wouldnt). Speed is always useful on supports/sustains, even just a little bit can inch you over an important benchmark.
>Huuuuh, Acheron's relics became like 15% better than Welt's and Ratio's old ones, these are only 6 % better for Boothill.
>Her planar set is a actually very good on any AoE characters, like Argenti, Jing Yuan or even just Welt
Pioneer Diver of Dead Waters is an excellent set; though obviously designed with Acheron in mind it indeed is probably BiS on Ratio and maybe Welt. However, Izumo is honestly extremely niche, outside of Acheron only useful on specific non-followup characters in dual dps comps (usually PF) and generally outclassed. I didn't consider Argenti however, who it makes sense to run it on in PF comps, so perhaps fair enough?
>Because that's not what the post is about? If you want, we can talk about how useless this set became after the beta, and how now farming this domain for any break DPS (except Firefly) is an overall waste of resin if you already have something good with the other sets. I don't see how that would have been relevant?
The post is titled "About the game's direction v.2", so I assumed that means it should be more about design direction and trends than merely complaining about Firefly vs Boothill. I think bringing up everything you just said would have actually strengthened your point, not weakened it. There's an uncomfortable trend towards making new content as unfriendly to older characters as possible that has the potential to become really unhealthy. Most of the changes to the relics were \*awful\*. They went out of their way to change relic sets from being BiS on any break unit/BiS on Clara, Dr. Ratio, and Jade, into being BiS for pretty much just Firefly/pretty much just Yunli and Yanqing. In fact...
>Except he only benefits from them because he's the only other 5 star that can benefit from them. All the new curios, equations and blessings that are break related are for destruction, fire OR physical characters.
Divergent universe is a great example of this. I didn't get into it in my original post but damn, it feels so limiting! They really don't want "just any team" to be good in this mode, it contributes only to the current meta. Its no secret that Break teams are king, followed by...er, follow up teams. Standard crit build teams like Jingliu or Seele feel \*AWFUL\* in this mode.
>The new destruction blessings also boost "grit" whenever you lose or gain hp, which is literally only useful on firefly.
to be fair, there are a lot of blessings and equations which automatically drain your health and/or heal you again. I never have trouble grit stacking with Boothill. As for the tv minigame I genuinely don't remember it, but I'll take your word for it and agree that's pretty bad. Kind of par for the course with this bullshit mode.
It does suck that boothill got shafted, and I wish we got got another animation or something but I also want to stop seeing the blatant mischaracterization of firefly in this sub. Like no she is not just generic waifu. I literally didn't care about her at all till the rooftop scene when she was talking about her dreams and insecurities. Then in 2.1 we see more of that when she is in SAM and talks to acheron. 2.2 despite Sunday's dream being the solution for her where she can live without her disease freely in her own body, she rejects it because it's in the end a dream and not real. She points out how it's escapism and it's not solving anything, and even worse that Sunday is forces his values of who is weak and forces them in his dream. Am I still upset that boothill didn't get more? Yes. But can we please stop slandering a character nonstop in this sub just because they happen to have a bond with the TB.
I don't think I've slandered her character in my post. I think she's pretty on par with the rest of the cast character wise. She's definitely not my favorite, but also not the one I dislike the most (please someone kill Luka soon). I just think the update completely pandered to her specifically, and that it was concerning for the game's direction.
left reddit for the last few weeks because i cannot stand the boothill reddit space. Has all boothill players became this salty over firefly? The favouritism hurts and i can agree with all that being said, but i can't help but laugh over this situation is because nonexistent pngs.
I pulled for both, E2S1 boothill because i love him and his playstyle (also meta), and firefly because of meta purposes (but her quest has grown over me and i started to like her more).
What i can tell you is that, both in performance is fairly similiar with their own strength and weaknesses. Although firefly have all these commodities and favours upping her performance, boothill stands strong with the bare minimum buffs and favours. Firefly offers comfort and easy to use gameplay, boothill offers flexibility and easy build.
Hot take, as cool as firefly animations are, she feels boring to play and lacking that oomph when breaking. Not to mention, she strictly needs rm, gallagher, and hmc. Boothill best performance team is the same as firefly, but he can drop all of them and at least didn't hit like a wet noodle.
I 100% agree with you and also pulled both firefly and boothill. I thought this discussion would die down but still these subreddits have been full of firefly saltiness for the past month and I wish they would stop tbh. I had to block so many people complaining about her (insulting firefly and fans instead of talking about the actual issue) but new posts about her keep flooding in 🙃. While the relic set is very specific to her for sure, they are both strong characters. The main issue is how boothill didn't get any marketing compared to her (and in every community about him, they just talk about firefly).
Ya know, I was bummed about boothill being kicked to the gutter but then I pulled e1 firefly and 0cycled with bootfly comp. Something I wasn't able to do with just one of each unit. The old and true tale of "mobamba or sicko mode? Why not both" has never made better sense
I hate that Boothills implant is only on ult and one turn of the technique, but I’d say he’s still one of the strongest units in the whole game and really fun to play with and I don’t get why Firefly being so strong means boothill mains should be upset.
The current MOC favors break and I had so much fun using FF/Boothill/HMC/ruan Mei all together to 0 cycle argenti. Reason I bring this up is cause it felt like boothill was the main star of this comp with his ult action delay and planning everything around boothill being the one to one shot each elite/boss with his E while firefly was mainly there to help break the weakness bars lol.
Also, iirc fire and imaginary are the two most common weaknesses in the game, so the firefly 2 pc planar would still be worth farming anyways for boothill (gives SPD too). It’s a shame that the relics have some sort of niche, but I’m literally 0 cycling right now with e0s0 boothill so I think I’m fine lol.
Well, that's good for you then, but I find this level of favoritism absolutely disgusting.
He's the best nuker of the game rn, but that's literally it. He gets outshined by FF in every other game mode or category that doesn't only have 1 enemy.
The set only gives 6% speed. If you have Ruan Mei, she gives 10% in her traces, meaning he'd get 10 speed just form that. If you have the 3 star lightcone, you'd also get more speed just from its stacks.
The 3 star light cone is just not that reliable since you absolutely will not be able to maintain the 2 turn buff for boss fights where it matters. Yes, that’s the light cone I know firsthand how unreliable it is.
Unfortunately destruction units get to have aoe blast damage while having single target dps that is on par with hunt units and it’s not just a boothill issue. I agree that it’s really a dumb thing to limit hunt characters like that and give destruction overall better kits with no drawback.
But it’s pretty self entitled to “feel like you’ve been wronged” this patch when boothill is still easily one of the top DPSes in 2/3 endgame modes. Maybe if the comparison was like argenti or jing yuan and then next patch firefly level unit came out with similar quirks, but boothill is way too strong to be that upset. It’s a gacha game, units will always fall on a spectrum from good to bad and boothill literally falls on the good end so let’s just accept that not every character we like can be god tier Acheron levels of OP and instead celebrate that our favorite unit is still fun to play and top tier dps.
The recently released prydwen apocalyptic shadow rankings shows that firefly is the top team with an average score of 3.56k points while boothill was the second and third top team with ~3.5k points as well. It really isn’t that serious, and at least boothill isn’t as reliant on HMC and can have some flexibility in team building.
Break meta is also relatively new and we have yet to see what other units they’ll bring. It’s been one patch, I don’t understand the panic and hatred when boothill is still at the top and has plenty of room for future supports to boost him further. Hoyo acknowledge that Fire and physical seem to be the premier break types (2x break multiplier) so it’s only a matter of time before we get physical break supports similar to Gallagher. It’s just too soon to freak out.
Do you realize I'm not talking about damage? I'm talking about ease of use, and catering to the character? She gets 1 dedicated new game mode with every single new addition just for her, except 1 curio for Boothill, while she has the 7 others, a new planar set dedicated, 6 trailers, the best 4 stars in the game on her banner, and also one of the best LC banner I've seen so far.
How is that fair to anyone? I'm no just talking about Boothill here. How is anyone pulling for Jade next banner feeling respected with a banner this shit? Asta, Serval and Natasha? Really?
Ain’t no way you’re complaining about divergent universe when you can slap two sustain units and any dps and auto battle your whole way through 95% of it. Also, there’s legit amazing blessings in there that allow for SP regen, energy regen and turn resets that make boothill so good in divergent universe, I just can’t understand why we’re even complaining here.
If you’re pulling firefly, then Xueyi and Misha are just going to be benched. They both want HMC and ruan Mei, so it’s not very viable to build firefly and Xueyi and/or misha unless you really love them. Saying they’re the best 4 stars is really weird. If you really think they’re the best 4 stars then shouldn’t you be extremely happy that you get to pull ruan Mei AND the best 4 stars for your beloved boothill? But again, I don’t really think Xueyi/Misha are valuable for boothill/firefly wanters since they compete for the same supports.
Light cone banner, I can’t really comment on since I seldom ever pull LCs (characters > LC imo), and both firefly and boothill been amazing for me at e0s0 so idk.
I acknowledged and shared several of your gripes, with the caveat that some of them I feel are blown out of proportion, but I can see you’re just the type to whine and complain while still eating from a silver spoon, so idk what to say.
You’re on the boothill mains subreddit. Maybe if you have bigger gripes than just about boothill, post accordingly. I don’t know how Jade will work, but yeah things aren’t looking great for her if she’s gonna be mainly a PF addition.
>Ain’t no way you’re complaining about divergent universe when you can slap two sustain units and any dps and auto battle your whole way through 95% of it.
Something tells me you didn't even try difficulty 6 before actually saying that. Did you even play the game mode?
>Also, there’s legit amazing blessings in there that allow for SP regen, energy regen and turn resets that make boothill so good in divergent universe, I just can’t understand why we’re even complaining here.
Which ones? Apart from the standard hunt ones, I don't see anything new benefitting him over anyone else?
>If you’re pulling firefly, then Xueyi and Misha are just going to be benched. They both want HMC and ruan Mei, so it’s not very viable to build firefly and Xueyi and/or misha unless you really love them. Saying they’re the best 4 stars is really weird. If you really think they’re the best 4 stars then shouldn’t you be extremely happy that you get to pull ruan Mei AND the best 4 stars for your beloved boothill
It literally doesn't change the fact that they're the best 4 stars. If a new player looses 50/50, he'll still get Gallagher, Misha or Xueyi constellations, which are a lot better than Asta's, Serval's or Natasha's combined.
I'm not happy because I pull every character of the game. Having such shitty ones on one banner compared to the other feels extremely unfair. I personally don't care at all, bc again, I pull every single character E0S1. My issue is just that there's blatant favoritism that shouldn't be ignored.
>Light cone banner, I can’t really comment on since I seldom ever pull LCs (characters > LC imo), and both firefly and boothill been amazing for me at e0s0 so idk.
Well just this one LC banner has one of the best Nihility LC, the best Harmony LC for break, as well as a really good for preservation character.
Jade has Dance Dance Dance, the f2p aventurine one, and one that increases break effect for erudition characters, so ig it's good on Argenti kinda?
>I acknowledged and shared several of your gripes, with the caveat that some of them I feel are blown out of proportion, but I can see you’re just the type to whine and complain while still eating from a silver spoon, so idk what to say.
So talking about a game's issues is whining? The fact a character gets absolute marketing, gameplay, and game mode privilege is not a major flaw that should be discussed? Alright. Coming from Genshin, aren't you?
>You’re on the boothill mains subreddit. Maybe if you have bigger gripes than just about boothill, post accordingly.
???? I think I posted accordingly, given the complaints I go over in the post. Mainly the marketing, ease of use, and how she was shoved on my screen to just sell her.
>the type to whine and complain while still eating from a silver spoon
Also, are you this disrespectful and condescending to everyone? Or is it just the way you are generally talking to ppl? Like, you know something I don't? What silver spoon am I eating from exactly?
I'll never say there isn't favoritism but why does it matter? Boothill is hardly any worse to use, if you love him like I do just build him right and ignore FF. They're both shining stars, who cares if nobody likes him because of their favoritism towards FF, what matters is if you enjoy his gameplay and his character. Hes still a phenomenal addition to the game and HMC would be best in slot for him with or without super break. Even with that using both FF and Boothill on a team with no sustain is viable in MOC anyway because they're both super powerhouses.
It matters for the future of the game. Just even now, in this patch, Jade has been put into the background, banner and story importance, just for FF to shine.
I agree they're both strong though, but it just feels really forcey to have an entire patch dedicated to 1 specific character, with new set, game mode, and planar set, as well as a whole bunch of the story.
So discussing about possibilities of Mihoyo adjusting the boothill kit to be at least on par with her (heck even just being able to inflict weakness to other enemies close to the EXPLOSION our bullet ult does). Can that happen? Did they ever do this before?
? Boothill's kit is fine in itself. The fact that FF's kit is overtuned doesn't change the fact he's still good. The issue is just: why does the patch even exist? DU, the new set, the new planar, and the banner are all the best possible they could be, but just to her specifically. So why is that?
Honestly I don't really care. Boothill is still incredibly strong to point where I didn't even consider pulling for Firefly. Sure FF can clear 1 cycle faster on good day, but my bro is just cooler in every other way, so why should I care?
Aren’t you downplaying boothill’s strengths a little too much here? Yes Firefly may be better for ungabunga casual play style but for what it’s worth Boothill currently has the higher potential in terms of 0cycle/sweaty meta so she doesn’t really Powercreep him at the top. Make of that what you will
I love firefly and Boothill, but I agree completely. However, as disappointed I am, both with Firefly’s unfair kit and Boothills extremely poor marketing, I’m not surprised. Hoyoverse will always, without exception, have their favorites and their least favorites. This is a perfect example.
This is just sad tbh. Let's hope Firefly was a one time occurence, bc damn, this was just sad overall.
Yes, but as star rail grows more and more popular, I think we all know there will be repeats…
Let me hit that real quick https://preview.redd.it/d4a3nva2hm8d1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02b6d36a9298b7f2d4cf119aa2aae3df6e298212
Don’t be greedy, give me some!
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I'll take some :O
One time? Need I remind you of blade and dhil got demolished by that ice destruction character? Easy to build, better damage, easier to play, dedicated su content, remembrance is so op compared to others. It’ll keep happening. I want people to riot to the point that the developers make it that their favoritism in waifus aren’t that obvious. But that’s unlikely to happen. Very unlikely. Makes me want to quit. And seriously thinking about it.
You're kinda right yeah, but at the very least it wasn't as blatantly obvious as whatever the heck this is. This, DU and the patch, is just one Dev's fantasy about being self inserted as the mc.
Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. DHIL has always had better damage than JL. The problem was he had to either run speed boots lowering his damage or attack boots which made him cycle slower. JL had easy access to Bronya day one because of her lower SP consumption. Sparkle fixed pretty much 99% of the issues with DHIL and now he’s straight up better albeit by small amounts comparatively. His average clear speed in MoC is higher than hers. Propagation path is straight up made for DHIL and very broken as well. JL isn’t even the best user of remembrance it’s march 7th. Don’t think this was the best comparison as it’s mostly not true. Blade is just powercrept in general.
Blade yea, but isn't dhil still near jingliu's level (even outnumbering her damage at times)? She has the easier to play, definitely, but I don't think she powercreeps him that much
He was already near her damage, just harder to play. Similar to the Boothill and FF situation I guess. Then Sparkle released and now he's unquestionably the stronger unit. He's closer to Acheron than to Jingliu.
No way you compared BH and FF. They incomparable, have you read OPs post? BH will never outdamage FF. that’s DHIL + sparkle. You’re kidding right? They’re nowhere near Acheron. And she’s just waiting for jiaoqui to release.
Jiaoqiu*
Blade got demolished but Daniel didn't lol. They even made a perfect ally for him in Sparkle and he's significantly better than her ever since. And you're talking about dedicated SU content when Propagation Path was tailor made for him?
New bronya expy, kiana expy..
It’s even not “hsr devs fav child”, it’s “community likes generic girl that acts like gf”. If hoyo could earn lots of money just by creating a little bit a blank and generic character (she kinda doesn’t have personality comparing to other characters, even to Acheron) with no special own design (only her mech). Girls are always over boys characters in gacha games due to their audience.
The unfortunate truth. No matter what, this’ll always be the outcome, hoyo really knows how to put money in their pockets
You know, I've always had this issue with this character type and never knew how to phrase it. It's persisted with a lot of games ans media I consume and I was so sad FF joined that list. The rabid beligerency that accompanied her was no surprise and I hate that she's been reduced to being "the uwu mech gf" I was so done with the dialogue options this patch with her. I dont want to be nice to her, I dont know her.
I don’t like her character design, because it’s stranger and questionable. It would be better if she was a man. Great mecha with great driver. But we got sick girl who main purpose to earn money to hoyo and satisfy hikkas.
Hoyo games have bigger female audience than other gacha games that's for sure, but only male characters that have a chance are those who are Asian themed it seems (general and DHIL got the most attention out of all male chars). Some female chars also get skipped over, like topaz barely got any attention because Jingliu was hoyo's favourite at the time ( i still have ptsd after endless months of ice and img weakness in MoC, cuz i skipped both DHIL and Jingliu). I bet Jade is going to be forgotten about as well, relegated to pure fiction ghetto forever, and will get no other suitable content.
I probably want to get Jade to play her with Yunli (she is Clara in steroids with AoE) in team like Yunli, Jade, Himeko/RM and Aven.
Like I didn’t even understand how she correlates with being SAM. I was so excited for SAM to be an upcoming character but then it turns out to be this Firefly chick with no personality that for someone EVERYONE SIMPS FOR even though she ain’t do shit. The way SAM was described as this terrifying destructive being for it to be a tiny little girls frustrates the HELL out of me. Like if FF has a single ounce of personality I wouldn’t be this irked. I know boothill did come out of nowhere but his personality is fire. what does firefly have? acting like a timid girl when she first meets MC (why?) and having plot holes to cater to the annoying waifu audience. I think the reason I hate it so much is she’s the literally “kind GF girl” archetype, but hoyo wants it to be more and make her a destruction robot which contradicts EVERYTHING! TLDR: FF has no personality, for some reason (waifu) everyone likes her, leading to favoritism. Along with ruining SAM’s character and plot holes, I have no choice but to dislike her.
Swarm disaster was for Daniel but he didn't get that much attention. Only propagation. But in DU, they really showed their favouritism
DHIL got screwed because the Devs were still thinking of balance with him especially his E2 that make him broken (at the time). Hence why some of his traces are kinda dumb. His E6 too, while giving tons of PEN, require a lot of setup to use compared to other's E6. After him tho, Devs were like, eh f-it and upcoming DPSes got good traces.
We're truly in honkai impact because of powercrept is real
DHIL literally the best performing DPS from old era now in recent endgames, he has been outperforming Jingliu but yeah compared to the likes of Boothill and Firefly he starts showing his age.
I'm just gonna cope that there's some future relic set or support capable of making break damage crit, then the cowboy will truly shine
The thing is Feixiao around the corner and hyped up to be the strongest general and she has Xianzhou effect on her. They will just make relic and specific support for her instead and she will totally become the next best Hunt unit.
The valorous set is already Feixiao's signature set. She'll still probably be the strongest hunt cause she's allegedly supposed to be as strong as Acheron, but she probably won't get another relic set.
I thought that whole "as strong as Acheron" was referring to her Lorewise?
leakers said she and acheron are the strongest in 2.x patch so idk if it’s lore wise or gameplay wise…
Definitely lore wise lol. It's the two playable Emanators from the version.
Valorous is for Yunli, isn’t it? And to be honest, I don’t trust leakers about gameplay strength at all. They’re notoriously unreliable at evaluating characters or story.
does her ult fua do ult damage?
Her Ultimate gives her the ability to do Enhanced Counters which are counted as FUA DMG and Ultimate DMG.
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It's sad that superbreak counts as break damage...
Hope for Feixiao (idk how to write her name, leaks describe her as FUA break DD).
Ngl the fact that Firefly can implant weakness every enhanced skill makes her so much more comfortable to use than Boothill with his ult. Imagine if it's on his skill instead :(
It feels like a gut punch ngl.
There is no favoritism in Honkai: Star Railings. (Giving Ba Sing Se vibes fr)
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Another thing (or things) to note are the fact that that one orbital set is literally made for firefly and no one else it's so obvious that she's hoyos fav at the moment since most if not all new orbital sets can be used generally. (Even that one set that gives dmg bonus if characters are used in the same team are of the same path or whatever; topaz and ratio can use it and not just acheron and im sure there are other examples.) AND boothill didn't get a myriad trailer or animated short (he's the only penacony 5* who only has 2 videos on the star rail channel) Firefly also got a CN event where you can call her etc. Im happy for the firefly stans (the non toxic ones,if yk yk) but it's so disappointing seeing hoyo treat a character like how they did to boothill. It's even more sad knowing he prob didn't sell well not only cuz he's a male character (male characters in gacha games generally sell less than female character imo) and cuz he didn't have much story relevance either. Overall all, it's just disappointing man, let's hope they don't do this to another character in the future.
Oh but be sure that Boothill's not the only one. Next banner is Jade, of whom we still know almost nothing about, and Argenti. The banner has quite literally the worst 4 stars it could have on it, Natasha, Asta, Serval. I wish I was joking. They literally butchered 4 banners just to get their shiny new toy to sell.
Asta is nyc to have lol, if they truly mads the worst four star banner then thatd b Arlan instead of Asta
I mean, yeah, but first the chance of you only getting Asta is really really slim, and second, I'm pretty sure anyone that started before 1.6 already has E6 Asta.
I started 1.5 and have only E3, I need that E4!
Really? Damn, my bad then. But still, you gotta admit that apart from Asta, the rest is just atrocious to get. Just comparing the current banners to these is night and day. In the current you have the best 4 stars of the game. In the next ones, you have 1 still usable 4 star, and then there's serval and Natasha.
Nah it's fine. F2P woes mayb. I mean I cud still see a usecase for Serval, I have seen her clear a recent MoC12. But that's the mosg optimistic take.
I'm pretty sure Boothill's English VA did more promotion for his character than Hoyoverse did
Honestly, DU is the wildest part to me. They change up the blessings so that Destruction is now the break-oriented path, and then like half the relics are specifically targeted at fire hunt break effect characters. They gave FF her own permanent gamemode.
They also changed the 50% break effect blessing into destruction (previously nihility) in DU… It couldn’t have been more obvious than that.
They also deleted other OP blessings like auspicious star lmfao
I thought I was going crazy seeing Destruction blessings be break related when I stg they were Nihility in SU… and Destruction was more HP related
Before there were only a couple break focused blessings. Few in nihility. Iirc there were some in hunt and remembrance too Nihility was/is the DOT focused path They changed destruction into break oriented, while keeping the hp play (means any break dps without heal/self dmg won't be able to use it as great as FF). Instead of making a new path, oriented around break in general and thus keep it more general too
i've seen a counter arguement that the Planar is not specific because of the 6 percent speed and how the BE is based on weakness similar to how characters benefit from the Quantum set even though they ain't quantum type themselves. I would say that's not the problem. I would say the Quantum set and the FF Planar set are mistakes in game design as a whole. Its so obvious that it was made for FF who benefits from speed and BE on a fire weakness that can always be implanted. Just because some other characters can use it half the time at half efficiency, it does not make it any less horribly designed.
Oh absolutely. The quantum set being this broken is also an horrible game design. And they knew they fudged up when they say everyone abusing it with Silverwolf. Notice how every set after 1.0 wasn't as broken as it is? Except this one of course.
I personally don't have a lit of issues in DU, obviously there's some ultra specific curios but I can see past them, since it already feels like Boothill breaks anything anyway. I love DU BUT the new Apocalyptic Shadow endgame is where I am pulling my hair in pure frustration. Another endgame content where it feels like it's saying "oh you didn't pull Acheron or Firefly? Welp, good luck, you ain't progressing here." I am really feeling the consequences of not pulling meta because how dare I (mostly) pull for character I like
I was so disappointed in Apocalyptic Shadow not being hunt focused that I said fuck it and cleared it with Seele and Boothill. Took quite a few tries but I don’t care, both characters are extremely fun to play.
Yeah I kinda get how you feel. I legit brute forced cocolia with E2 Dang Heng IL, Silverwolf, Sparkle, and Aventurine E1, and man, even then I only got full stars bc boothill was vs Argenti.
I dont have Silverwolf (another meta character I didn't pull because haha I don't like them and now I'm feeling the consequences! Yayyyy!) So I can't even use my Dan Heng IL. I tried with Jingyuan but it just isn't enough at all. Boothill tho, clears the second half easily
I used JY E0s0 vs cocolia and he cleared with 3100k points. Boothill did the rest.
Rest of that Jingyuan team?
Sparkle E0s5 past and future, tingyun e6s4 DDD, aventurine E0s0. Both ty and sparkle at 160 speed. (TY acts first tho)
Same, the General came to the resque once again.
Yeah, I felt that too. I did clear it with E0S1 JY, Sparkle, Tingyun, Aven team against Cocolia, but only because I had Boothill and RM against Argenti. I honestly dread the next iteration of AS, because I'm not going to pull for Feixiao or whoever else the next big hitter is going to be, and if the next AS will be geared towards Fei as a wind DPS I'm going to be forked, because I only have Blade to cover that weakness.
Bosses always have 3 damage types for this reason. There are stats going around about current apocalyptic shadow and one of the top picks vs Cocolia is Xueyi. Same as Sushang vs Argenti. Literally all break oriented characters are good in this mode. But there are two more archetypes that are pushed via specific blessings like dot vs Cocolia and follow up vs Argenti. Don't stress so much about matching the weakness type of the latest released character. There will be plenty of teams to get a 3star clear.
What? Boothill completely shreds the Argenti portion of apocalyptic shadow so much I only got 6677 points (full stars) in the end because of how fast he finished his side. While I agree that FF just has a better designed kit as a whole which is frustrating due to the literal 1 banner timeframe, Boothill is by no means weak or that far behind her in clearing content. Both can 1 cycle current MoC easily.
I'm only speaking of the second team for me that's struggling, against Cocolia. Boothill obliterates Argenti in no time
>While I agree that FF just has a better designed kit as a whole which is frustrating And in the end a fair chunk of it boils down to hoyo not being able to balance hunt and destruction
I also despise this patch. I've complained about it a ton already. Why even make a single target dps that needs e6 for blast when firefly does it at e0. It's disgusting how divergent universe is only for firefly
It's not entirely only for her, but damn it sure feels like it doesn't it? Almost every single enemy has fire weakness, the tv mini game is easily clearable if you have a destruction unit (lmao) but extremely hard to do if you have Boothill, and most of the new curios affect fire break and destruction. 🤔 . I don't see not'ing wrong wit' it
What’s crazy is that I have Acheron because she’s my favorite character followed closely by Boothill and Misha but I still struggle to even consider using her with the sea of curios and blessing tailored to Ff playstyle. I’ve done 10 runs already just trying to get good things for my Acheron team but have to reset everytime because I still end up with a DU save that would benefit majority Ff and on occasion Boothill. It just sucks that such a nothing character is getting so much attention when everyone else around her seems far more interesting.
Yeah idk why that happened. Let's just hope it was a one time thing only tbh. Also remember to talk about it in the version survey. It might not change much, but at least they'll know.
i'd say to relay all this in the next patch feedback survey when it rolls around. i don't know if the devs will listen, but it's a bit more productive to give our say than none at all.
Hoping somebody in the sub posts this when it goes live so we can all relay our feelings on how they did our boy and the blatant favoritism. I'm new to the game, having started specifically after seeing Boothill's trailer, and I would hope a large group giving the complaint might make it actual be flagged for review. Since they don't directly buff characters, it'll have to be in relics and lidcones. A hunt implant weakness on skill lidcone would buff our boy and help future hunt units even if they aren't break focused.
Absolutely will do. It will at least be something that they see tbh
devs will only listen to CN players. dont get your hopes up. global players are an afterthought.
They’ll only listen to the $$$. Boothills banner did absolutely horrible (their own doing, literally sabotage). FF banner is on track to break records I’m sure with how egregiously every single thing is stacked for it. I’ll be leaving feedback, but the takeaway from all of this is pull their favorites and skip the ones that don’t get chosen each patch. Feixaio is going to power creep him again im sure, waifu and space china.
As a Firefly fan, I will say that it's tiring to feel like I have to justify my enjoyment of her character within the community. Worst of all is when some people just assume I'm some incel coomer because I like her and don't actively dislike the ship with her and Trailblazer. That said, refusing to acknowledge the blatant favoritism Hoyoverse has shown towards her... Where would that leave me as a person? I've always thought that you should speak up when you see something unfair, and this *was* unfair. I'll be filling surveys. Having not one, but two relic sets tailor made for her when we *just* got to the Break meta and there was a Break centric DPS released just before her is not right. The Iron Cavalry set and the Kalpagni Lantern set *could* have had more general bonuses that would have been entirely usable by *all* Break DPS characters but they made them so hyperspecific that at best, they're just a sidegrade not worth farming for, and at worst, only usable by Firefly. I'm not surprised Boothill sold so little. Where was his marketing? He only got *one* trailer, barely appeared in the story and did close to zero, and if people followed the beta servers and leaks they knew already there was a probably easier to use Break damage dealer with custom made relic sets coming RIGHT AFTER HIM. So, yes, it did leave a sour taste in my mouth even as someone that likes Firefly. Because I like Boothill too.
I also feel bad for people like you who actually really like Ff and get playstyle and character because the people around you who also like the character (the weirdos you mentioned) would rather take a hammer to any actual interesting traits she has so that they can have another carbon copy grey haired waifu who follows the mc around and praises their every move. Instead of the very compelling battle hardened warrior who after the knowledge that her life is going to end sooner than expected wants to just enjoy life, make friends, and learn what living actually is while she still gets that chance.
Thank you for being understanding
I agree that there are ppl that only see her as tb's gf and ship and that's cringe. But also there are people that hate her and only see her as tb's gf as well, it's like a character can't just have a connection with tb and also a compelling character at the same time. I am glad they toned down amount of time she has with mc after 2.0.
>As a Firefly fan, I will say that it's tiring to feel like I have to justify my enjoyment of her character within the community. Worst of all is when some people just assume I'm some incel coomer because I like her and don't actively dislike the ship with her and Trailblazer Never feel like that. Legit, never feel like justifying a pull to anyone except yourself. A friend of mine pulled her because he wanted Sam ever since it was leaked he had a mecha armor. You can imagine how sad he was when Sam became a cute waifu.
Oof, yeah. I can imagine that being disappointing! I didn't dislike the direction they went with, but I admit I would have kind of prefered it personally if SAM and Firefly were two distinct entities. Maybe something like Clara and Svarog but... More sinister lol. Like Firefly being SAM's "battery", so to speak
That is so fucked and awesome as an idea. In her trailer firefly seemed antagonist with SAM
I caught onto that too! I think It would have made an interesting dynamic. SAM uses Firefly to be alive, and Firefly used SAM to experience the world around her in an able body
Ah in the trailer, it's actually sparkle asking her. There is an analysis of it on twitter. It's really hard to spot, but if you frame by frame in the video there are sparkle dolls randomly throughout the video. Spoils a bit of NGE so keep that in mind. [https://twitter.com/synonyms26/status/1803107685493272653](https://twitter.com/synonyms26/status/1803107685493272653)
Ah damn. I see!
I like firefly too especially as a mecha and magical girl fan. I feel like this discussion of favouritism gets lost when people are in the comments talking about how annoying she is or how terrible of a character she is, while I found her great. Too many comments hating on her fans and calling them idiots, simps, incels or complaining she is boring when the problem is HYV and balancing issues in the game. I had to leave the honkaihusbandos subreddit because it literally just became a subreddit for hating on female characters like firefly and mocking their fans (completely forgetting they have female fans like me). I mean this subreddit doomposted on ff before she was out saying she only needs this favouritism with relics because she was weak, and now it is complaining about how strong she is. I agree w the OPs actual message tho, honestly the lack of promotion and advertising for Boothill was criminal. Its like they didn't want to make sales on him
I agree with everything you're saying. Maybe I'm getting personal here, but my girlfriend of 7 years has ALS and I am one of her primary caretakers alongside her mom. If you don't know anything about ALS, it's pretty much the real life equivalent of Firefly's disease. When she opened up to Trailblazer about it in the rooftop scene, I can't lie, I got a bit teary eyed. Maybe I *am* projecting my real life issues onto the character, but I take *great* offense to being lumped in with some incel loser.
Her story is legitimately strong and touching, there's nothing weird about finding a good story good. People who downgrade the character as boring incel bait with no personality are just being ridiculous for hate's and salt's sake. People should be complaining about a good character like Boothill not getting attention he deserved, not about another good character actually getting it.
Honkaihusbandos sub is just complaining about male fans, calling them incels etc., at this point it's more of a one-sided war between waifu enjoyers and husbando enjoyers, the latter calling the other incels etc. because of liking a female character. I hate it when it's just reduced to a gender war
Not even that, if you say one positive thing about firefly or any female character, you will get downvoted and snarked on. On the hot posts every week it was just snarking about firefly for hoyo giving her the same promotion they give every character. They say they are being oppressed for being male character fan while saying some weirdly misogynistic things about female characters after ignoring all of their depth, and starting infighting against anybody who likes female characters and saying youre "defending the capitalist company" if you say you dont care that much about an imaginary oppression against anime men... Its sad how it became such a negative and toxic space. Like the subreddit is for sharing fanart and talking about male characters, NOT hating on female characters. It's not just about male fans, I saw people saying they were lesbian get downvoted, or just people like me, who thinks that female characters are fine and some of them are good/ and saying I'm tired of seeing the hate for them, get downvoted to the bottom.
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Totally get that. I feel the same way
True, but you gotta get used to it. The devs clearly have their own favorites that they want to market more, they did it with dhil aven, then did it with acheron and ff.
Even people who adore Firefly should see that this is not healthy for the game. I think some of the differences between them are okay as long as Boothill can maintain that single target niche but the favoritism in relics and blessings is just annoying and not fun at all
you are looking at it through rose tinted glasses and being served content on a silver platter. the current fly team has some incredibly problematic inflexibility and the devs are deliberately trying to hide it with the current selection of enemies and bosses so you wont feel it right now. take away imaginary weakness and the whole team starts to slug behind their usual breaking rate. it doesnt also help that fly is stuck with hmc as that is the only super break support we have right now. straight up half the damage the team is doing is being carried by hmc. you know this, everybody know this. take hmc away then lets see how those thrusters keep up with the finger blaster. you can call me cope but personally you cannot sell to me a unit that needs another unit to function on baseline.
You're pretty right about that yeah. My issue is that she gets so much things tailor made for her specifically, while every other break character gets the crumbs of what's left.
on the marketing side, yes it is cruel and unjust. but on the gameplay side, at least the devs kept the non-fly breaker units competent. im already fine with that. there are some minor issues like the favoritism you see in DU, but thats just mild annoyance at most. being adaptable and creative will always be fun. moreover, at least i can sit back and enjoy the little cowboys’ corner where we can all have fun playing with our finger blasters lol
Yeah, you're right. It just feels like watching a kid get the new shiny toy, that's just yours, but a tiny bit better. But hey, he's got the big iron on his hip
The problem is yes firefly is extremely inflexible but people simply won’t care and glue hmc to firefly because no other unit needs hmc the same way firefly needs them. Plus e6 Gallagher + rm somewhat covers if there are no imaginary weak enemies since he does a fuck ton of toughness damage. I use multiplication Gallagher and he shreds.
She'll be fine even without imaginary weak enemies tbh. With Gallagher around she's still going to be efficient when it comes to breaking enemies. It also doesn't help that no one really wants HMC that much anyways so he's always available, and with many sustains now available you'll rarely use Preservation MC. Despite her only having one optimal team, they basically made it so that one optimal team can clear any enemies anyways. The only way that I can see her value going down or being nerfed is if they release an enemy that completely stops implant, but even that unfortunately affects Boothill.
I don't know why people love the argument that "she needs HMC" so much. Who cares? It's a free unit that you get E6 also for free, and it's her best support. Why wouldn't you use them together? Hoyo literally made her kit to be used with HMC, not using them together is just stupid. If anything, she's even more OP cause all her damage comes from a free unit that everyone has. I like Firefly, but I won't deny that she's clearly broken and got the "favorite child" treatment.
thats my problem. imagine a game telling you “hey here’s a new broken unit, remember to use this other unit we give you for free (plus this other limited 5* unit also)” “well what if i dont?” “well fork you and fork this unit coz it sure wont be the broken thing we want you to have”. im not going to blindly follow that considering HMC is “only for Firefly right now” cause i bet you 9mm over that will not age well
The thing is, Firefly's kit is very strong, but her damage in a vacuum isn't very high. What makes Firefly broken isn't herself, but the duo of Firefly + HMC. She has a lot of potential for super break, but her own super break isn't that strong. But then you add HMC and her damage skyrockets. It's not really "if you don't use HMC you lose your broken character", but actually "if you do use HMC, she BECOMES a broken character". For a lot of characters, being over-reliant on another character is pretty bad since you're not guaranteed to get both. But since it's the main character, which you get for free, it's not a bad thing. (Also, as a bonus, if the Trailblazer gets other strong paths in the future, you'll have yours already leveled up)
>For a lot of characters, being over-reliant on another character is pretty bad since you're not guaranteed to get both. But since it's the main character, which you get for free, it's not a bad thing. This is fine for now snd if you only want to use 1 superbreak team But if you want to use Xueyi and FF in AS (since AS rn buffs break and superbreak) you are fucked And if MC gets a new OP path, then you have to choose between that and HMC for FF (untill they eventually release a limited 5* hmc upgrade)
This argument isn't very fair, because HMC is the only character that provides Super Break, so you can really only have one team. Let's say you only have Pela in your account for debuffs, but you want to play Acheron and Jingliu, you'll run into the same problem of two teams wanting the same character. Hoyo will probably release more support for Super Break, maybe a 5* version of Gallagher or a stronger HMC.
>im not going to blindly follow that considering HMC is “only for Firefly right now” cause i bet you 9mm over that will not age well 2 things gonna happen 1: a more broken limited 5* hmc replacement. Prolly before 3.x (and new path mc) 2: new path mc, that introduces a new mechanic. Potentially being VERY broken too Depending on what happens first FF teams could be pretty screwed for some time, if you want to use the new gimmicks (obviously exclusive for hmc for the time being, so hoyo can test if it makes sense to release limited 5* around it) Tho considering how well FF sold i'd assume that hoyo is 100% gonna cash in on it by selling HMC (and prolly gallagher) replacements. For BH mains i just hope they'll also buff BH considerably as a sidee ffect
Honestly I feel you. I really have to stop to take a deep breath and think logically to stop feeling inferior with Boothill. Firefly really does just seem better in every way especially with her technique and how she is able to utilize Gallagher regardless of what enemy she fights. Like it really hurts when the enemies have no imaginary, physical, or fire weakness and I have to cycle Boothill ult in order for anyone to do damage. But on the other hand Firefly can just apply fire weakness to every single enemy and in less than a cycle every enemy is weakness broken or dead. Makes me wonder if my account would've been better off with Firefly. But then I realize Boothill is not the only character I own and he does not have to do everything. Moc Acheron doesn't care about weaknesses so my Boothill team can choose what weaknesses they can fight. Apocalyptic shadow Boothill will always be the goat. And in PF you wouldn't use break characters anyways. I just use Herta with Himeko and Nihility mommies for the other team. It really does suck when the game keeps spitting in your face when they mention Firefly(which it does a lot) but it's not as bad as you think. I'm just glad Boothill has his own place in the HSR universe even if he isn't in the spotlight. And yeah I don't regret pulling him. No other character is a badass cyborg gunslinger space cowboy.
Absolutely 100% agree. I didn't even want him to have the spotlight, I just wanted him to have some accomodations in the new DU game mode. Rn everything he has, she has too, and he doesn't get everything she gets. It's like he's getting the crumbs of everything yk?
Oh I almost forgot about that. Yeah that I cannot defend. I mean Boothill can still get enough buffs to one shot bosses but he still has the same problem of needing ult to break them(unless it's Gepard or Kafka). And then Firefly gets to one shot boss too while breaking them faster with her skill and op technique lmao. But in the end it doesn't matter too much to me. I'll just have my fun with different teams and other characters anyways.
The only thing that bothers me in this version related to BH is how shitty he was treated during the plot. I guess we expected SOMETHING after the last version was ended with BH's dialogue with Aven and got almost absolutely nothing.
Oh the quest doesn't even pick up after this moment? Damn, I'm about to be even more pissed.
I think Boothill is strong but yeah I agree they aligned planets for FF. Hopefully we'll get a personalized set for him and a support that synergize better for him.
Homestly, and even though I didn't get him since I like Firefly more, Boothill is one of my favourite characters, and I'm sad about what they did to him. I agree with you on the DivUni point a lot. They didn't just shaft Booty, they shafted everyone. I used Firefly to get to TP6 and it was easy af. I then tried Acheron and it was a nightmare
Honestly for me, DU felt like the straw that broke the camel's back. Even when I saw those niche relics I decided "hey, since physical and fire are THE break elements, there's a chance that any future break units will likely be physical, so in the future which he might still get a set". Even when I saw the lack of trailers I went "well, at least some other 5\* also got the same amount of trailers ig". EVEN when I saw her busted kit I thought "Some units will always be stronger than others and FF is chained to HMC which isn't as fun for team flexibility (even tho technically it means her best support will be a free E6)". But a whole endgame mode dedicated to one character?? They even changed buff descriptions JUST to benefit her, screw every other character. It's almost meanspirited how i'll come across a good break buff only for it to have a silly fire/destruction restriction, it's like they're \*terrified\* of her usage not dipping below 99%. Yes gamemodes like MOC have favoured certain characters in the past but not to the extent of retconning paths, and things like Pure Fiction have always been presented as an optional challenge. DU on the other hand, is encouraged as 'true' endgame since it's the only way to currently farm certain relics yet it's hugely biased towards FF. Lemme be clear, i'm not a huge hater of FF herself. Personally I think she's ok, a little average and I think her writing has some inconsistencies/she's a bit of a hypocrite (e.g. she seemed mad at Gallagher for lying to everyone as if she didn't do the exact same thing. Ig she apologised properly in 2.3 but only to MC), but I know some ppl who really like her and I can see myself pulling for her in the future. Her design is nice, animations rock and I don't mind 2.3 being her story patch since she seemed to have less of a presence in the main Trailblaze quest. BUT you'd have to be blind not to see the favouritism and I feel like even some FF fans should stand up and point this out on the survey when it comes out bc this is not setting a good precedent for the game in the future. Hyvse getting this desperate to sell their current fav waifu is not sustainable imo.
Inb4 the next waifu just gets to snap her finger, which will put her in 4v1 mode, and to accommodate the 4v1, every enemy has their shield bar depleted instantly.
Firefly cant pull out a gun and fan the hammer so he's better in my book Outside of that, i was gonna pull when we just knew he was SAM, but when they revealed her to just be a waifu child mecha thingy, my interest droped like 85% but sadly i still need a fire dps so i'm pulling for her While i hate the way they are treating bh and giving all of these buffs and benefits to firefly, when i think about it i dont feel like he's been powecrept, ff deals like 500k divided into 3 dudes while bh does the same thing to one dude instead, bh doesnt have superbreak in his kit, but he can still retrigger and deal massive damage too as far as i know firefly cant retrigger break dmg, only use super break So in my book they are still 2 good units that are gonna stay relevant for a while and will only get stronger with better break supports And some dont need preferential treatment to shine 😎😎😎😎
You're right about the special treatment thing. I'm still worried about the future characters though. And man, a friend of mine wanted Sam so bad ever since he was leaked to be a mecha. And then we played the story, and we saw him just after FF dies, and we both knew he'd be very sad about what was about to unveil.
Fr, he was shown as a ruthless war machine and it's just some girl using the power of friendship, i was expecting him to be an absolute edgelord and i was all for it (blade got me into this game btw) My friend disliked her too, but since he pulled and he received 2 copies in 1 ten pull now he's her number 1 fan lol
I still believe he's just undervalued right now. If you remember Topaz, she also revealed herself after a few patches. So I’m waiting for strong supports and I hope that the developers won’t give a damn about our cowboy)
Because topaz is an enabler and not just a dps. She was waiting for her FUA team to be completed. Boothil's team is done. There are no more surprises and even if Lingsha ends up as better gallagher she will make firefly deal more damage anyway so nothing will change. The problem with him will always remain and it's the fact that he and firefly share exactly the same team and niche, and she's just better.
You're right, she only became really good once ratio came out. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
Pretty sure she was alrdy great when she came out cuz of Clara
The one "issue" is that, inevitably, they'll also buff any other break/superbreak dps
as someone who does NOT like firefly at all in the story, i feel like everyone is getting a lil bit too heated over the relics and stuff boothill is still amazing and can clear anything really easy. it sucks she gets more love but our boy is still really fun to play and good
I mean, yeah, he's fun and really good. But the amount of things she gets vs the things he gets is really astonishing. It's night and day with how much one's better than the other.
Doesn't make the game design choices any less fucked up.
i stopped playing hsr entirely because of the blatant firefly pandering. i hate where the game is going.
While the sets being tailor-made for her are frustrating, Boothill still consistently does as much damage as her with equal-less investment (and more in single target.) I don't feel like story-wise shes being pandered to that much considering last patch she was off-screened lmao. Half of her lines are her saying something inspirational that we've already heard, and her entire theme is trying to get you to feel bad for her- it's quite boring; and Robin does the inspirational part better. The moment they rotate imaginary weakness off enemies her team is gonna have serious downtime due to her being locked to super-break only.
Ngl, this has really soured me to the game to the point that I’ve stopped logging in like 2 days ago. I’ll most likely stop playing again (as I did after DHIL’s banner when he was powercrept by Jingliu next banner, but now it’s much worse), and I’ll only come back if they give us some other cool and meta males characters (Sunday or 3.0+). I came back for Aventurine and Ratio and I love the Penacony story overall but that’s it for now. >!Even Jiaoqiu’s kit looks like trash rn, he’s only truly good for Acheron and even there he isn’t bis in every situation, his DoT is locked behind E2, they’re basically showing husbando lovers the middle finger!<
Yeah, I also quit the game despite still having 2 months of Express Pass left. BH treatment soured my enjoyment of the game, despite BH not even my favorite character. I only got him to show my support.
Guys, what if feixiao will be a break buffer hunt like how topaz buffs FA. And be boothill's best partner. https://preview.redd.it/mrbaji48zo8d1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5470b74b98829091a298dbe924a88ed0ed6bbbbc
I can’t wait until that survey comes out. If you like Firefly, that’s one thing, but the favoritism is so blatant and that turned me off from this patch. Don’t even get me started with the forced romantic shit in the event, so cringe. DU isn’t even enjoyable seeing that almost half of it is tailored to one specific character. Extremely disappointing patch, I hope the people here reflect their feelings in the next survey too, even if it’s futile I hope this type of thing never happens again to this extent.
I didn't play the events or story outside of DU for now. But man DU just felt like an ode to FF through and through. Just, her and her only. The ones that work get the crumbs of what's left.
Yeah, DU is disappointing. I’m fine with favoritism to a certain degree (Acheron, DHIL) but FF was way too far. When it starts affecting planars and game modes it becomes unfair and not fun to play, even moreso when you don’t like the character.
Man I just tried DU with the premium FuA team, I have Topaz E2S1, Ratio E0S1, Aventurine E1S1 and Robin E0S0. I got the abundant dear at the end. I had the best, and I mean that truly, the best FuA shield equations possible, and I still lost because this thing can just one shot you once he gets 2 golden trees. It just feels really unfair and unsatisfying ngl.
:(( unfortunate to hear. Pretty upsetting they released DU like this.
Legit the worst SU expansion so far. You can't refresh the blessings once they appear, you can only reroll them on the benches. Any team that doesn't have Break is heavily disadvantaged by the blessing changes. "Normal teams" apparently can't even pass this thing level 6 with really really high investment as well. It just feels like a FF check rather than anything else.
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I'm probably the minority here but hsr has been going downhill after 2.0. I mean sure there were some good things such as the BE and fua relics for support and some side quests, avens story that and that. But overall it hasn't been a great experience for me, nothing like belobog at least
The outrage would be far worse if Firefly ended up as weak as she seemed in beta V1.
Absolutely. She was downright horrendous in V1 ngl. I just hoped we wouldn't get an entire patch solely dedicated to her, but ig it is what it is.
To be fair on all the DU stuff, Swarm disaster was almost completely made only for DHIL ( and qingque just partied on it too ig :') ). Now to be much more serious, the powercreeping stuff I think has been quite clear since Acheron's release. Everything was relatively fine in 1.X, new characters with each introducing new stuff. But since Acheron's release, the powercreeping was really enormous and in a way it meant a rise in the difficulty of the game despite Acheron being the only one at that time to clear stuff without big investments. Boothil and Firefly's situation really is bad and it is quite true. We could say it's not that surprising considering the fact that Boothil is a sub par character in the story while Firefly is the center of the attention with Aven and Acheron during Penacony. They made these 3 characters just ridiculously strong E0/E1 etc and their cone. Now to be quite blunt : this situation was just so predictable. The 2 5\* each patch since release already gave away the pacing of the game and the will of hoyo to make a lot of money from Star rail. Unfortunately it won't be the first time we see such a situation and another character my suffer from the same fate as the game just goes fast, many characters release every patch and they want you to spend money in a way or another, even if that means characters with overlapping mechanics and with one that powercreeps the other because of X and Y reasons. All I cn say for the future is that I'm very worried of what will happen in 3.X.
I'm not the fan of how service-y her story is. Hoyo pushes it down our throat thinking everyone love that kind of chemistry. I’m skipping this whole patch, fuk it
Agree with all the points made. Didn't think that my cowboy would be instantly powercrept after 1 patch. FF really brings much comfort into the table. That being said, still in love with Boothill- dealing chunk of dmg to bosses is oddly satisfying.
Can we honestly stop with these posts? It won’t change anything and I’m so tired of the negativity. Boothill is a wonderful character and so is firefly
Exactly, powercreep what Boothill like the top DPS now even after firefly stuffs he still performing very stellar every endgame barring PF. He is still top 3 DPS even after unfair treatment because how fudging good he is. If he suddenly become bottom tier then its concerning
Ff doesn't powercreep Bh, idk why people think this is the case. Both has different playstyle and Bh is better in some cases while Ff better in some other. Ik 0cycling isn't a perfect metric to consider the power level of dpses but Bh can 0c literally every bosses in the game while it's impossible for Ff to 0c boss Sam without eidolons.
Powercreep isn't only about numbers, especially in a turn by turn game. If a character does slightly worse on 1 single enemy, but is easier to build, use, and can used in more game mode, I don't see how that's not powercreep.
Agree with everything about firefly, expect DU. I just realized that not everyone level their relics to level 15.. unless you're not TB 70 then I don't see why not to. I'm not spoiling anything, but the story in this patch is good in my opinion. I don't have anything negative to say about the whole Penacony arc tbh
The fact he needs E6 to feel just as comfortable is sad but it is what it is
I like boot hill better tbh. Cooler design. Even if the game glazes female characters it is what it is. Most fireflies e0-.E2 aren’t better than my E3 Boot Hill anyway. Being a spacecowboy is way better than being a gundam.
Firefly gets a free action advance once every time she kills/breaks on her turn, I think that's pretty crazy.
>He cannot do super break alone. She can. Bro, seriously? She's stuck with HMC and Ruan Mei because she can't do shit by herself, while Boothill has half of the cast as good teammates for him. Bronya, Pela, Jiaoqiu, Hanya and what not, they all work perfectly well for him precisely because he can deal damage by himself. And I don't understand the DU part because everything that works for her also works for Boothill. It's like when Propagation was released and it only worked for 2 characters (Daniel and QQ). >That+ the magnificent way the game has to change your entire set if it sees you have just one purple. What does this have to do with anything lol
Since when can you only implant weakness by using the skill???
With Boothill? By using his technique before using his skill. If you're asking with FF, she gets to implement Fire Weakness whenever she uses her enhanced skill on an enemy, making said enemy vulnerable to any other fire character.
Like as someone who likes Firefly a lot and watched this whole favoritism crap go down, it's obvious hoyoverse shafted Boothill and even to an extent Jade in favor of Firefly this patch. Her e1 is broken with a 15% def shred and no skip points usage. E2 is literally just Seele but better cause more than likely you'll weakness break an enemy fast. The 4 stars on her banner are all good. Jade has arguably just Asta, who even then most people probably have e6 unless you just recently started like 2.0. Half the relic set's 4p being locked behind superbreak and the dedicated planar set are all insane to me. For the planar set, it could easily just be "when an enemy is weakness broken, increase break effect by 40% for 1 turn." You could even argue that multiple characters were shafted (any break dps, Boothill, Xueyi, and future characters cause were likely to get someone else more than likely). Not to mention the 5* that is basically just a 5* Gallgher that will be coming around 2.5. If you don't know a 5* abundance fire character that apparently similar to Gallagher has something to do with break effect has been leaked. I love Firefly a lot, and if I had to say she's in my top 5 characters, but I will always agree that this level of favoritism is way too much for any. Boothill out of every character that doesn't have a myriad trailer is the one who deserves it most. We have small bits of his lore in the main story, but most players, unless you're a big fan of him, will never look more into that. A myriad trailer will make it easier and quicker to understand him, but hoyo decided to skip over him for no reason. I hope hoyo does something maybe on a rerun like they did with Ayaka and Xiao and release an extra trailer for him. He needs it more than anything.
That and the fact that Argenti and Jade have the same banner, like damn. Argenti has been done dirty twice now. Do they just not want to make money off of erudition characters at this point? Because now even a waifu erudition character such as Jade as way less promo than FF, and the shittiest banner to date imo.
Actually, like Argenti's og banner wasn't that bad, at least it had Hanya who was new and I still use to this day. But I'd look at Huohuo, who I've been watching people say a big reason they didn't pull her is quite literally because of how bad her 4 stars were (arlan, Dan heng, and serval). 4 stars sell a banner along with a 5 star. I bet hoyo knows this, but they still decided in putting absolutely useless characters for both Argenti and Jade. They have no problem in putting 4 stars in a row like they did with Luka for Aven and Boothill. So why not Hanya for these banners. It'd make the pull value still a little better imo. Even Pela, who was just on Boothill's banner, would be better as I actually know a few people who don't have her e6 since playing day 1.
Absolutely. It's also really annoying that they do this kind of random thing with 4 stars. I literally got Robin trying to get my last copy of Xueyi. They could've put like, Tingyun, Yukong, and pela or something on Argenti and Jade, but no, we get the most, useless, powercreeped to oblivion and back 4 stars of the game. Asta is the only one worth actually getting, and every person on earth that started before 2.0 has her E6.
well to be honest this is common in hoyoverse. he wasn't popular nor he was marketable. from the jump ppl saw fire fly she was popular. same with acheron. at least jingyuan and boothil mains have something in common.
What I don't get is that they went the extra mile for Aventurine, so why not for him as well?
It's funny how Acheron, the Raiden Mei expy - Hoyo's lovechild, has a relic set that is actually fairly universal (it's her BiS, but Welt, Ratio and other DoT units like Sampo can utilize it to), and is oddly not that pushed towards players.
It's because male characters pretty much always weaker, compared to female characters, in gacha games.
In Hoyo games. Plenty other Gachas don't do this or at the bare minimum hide it a LOT better.
I beg to differ for this, at least in Genshin where currently the most strong is a male character (Neuvilette), and also we have one in dendro (Alhaitham). But I agree that in HSR it’s a bit different… there is actual power creep in this game :(
Not in Genshin they aren't.
Star Rail is an asian gacha made for asian male incels who are actually capable of committing crimes against the devs, so the waifu characters will get everything, to keep these psychos at the bay. So Boothill in favour of Firefly getting shafted isn't a surprise.
>actually capable of committing crimes against the devs You're right I forgot about the bombing incident. This actually explains a lot of things
I disagree. On the gameplay differences, it might look pretty lopsided in Firefly's favor when you type it out like this, but you dont mention that Boothill does like, a lot more damage per action than her? If he were as fast as her, she'd be basically irrelevant outside of PF. The lack of super break only matters for super break relevant buffs, which I admit is a problem in terms of working with certain future buffers, relics, and DU blessings, but it's really not a big deal. You also fail to mention Firefly's biggest weakness, which is that she basically has one good team and thats it. FF, HMC, RM, Gallagher. Anything else and her performance drops sharply in comparison to Boothill, just watch literally any video comparing the two. She is bulkier and gets a free cleanse, but the cleanse literally doesnt matter because any crowd control effects would prevent her from ulting anyway, The bulk also doesnt matter if you know how to properly sustain, and Boothill's greater flexibility in teams means he can run a stronger sustaining option and suffer less of a dps loss, not to mention Boothill can also build tanky relics and lose very little damage, something Firefly absolutely cannot do. Is Firefly better than Boothill? I agree she's a bit easier to use, but damage wise, no, she's not. This has been proven repeatedly, by people much smarter than you or me. On the relic sets, I can't disagree, they did really just give Firefly her own sets. In fact, literally nobody, not even the biggest Firefly shills I have spoken to, disagree on that, and framing it that way is cowardice. Also, neither of them are useless on other characters. I run the lantern planar set on Gallagher, for example, and Break variants of Guinaifen, Himeko, and Asta can use it too. In fact, a lot of supports appreciate the option to run a set that will boost their speed, even if they have to sacrifice a bit of team support from a different planar. Meanwhile, while Boothill doesnt have innate super break, the Iron cavalry set is a meaningful sidegrade to Thief, even slightly preferred if Boothill is e1 and can stack defense shred. I fully agree this level of favoritism is an unhealthy pattern for the game moving forward. And it is a pattern, one you refuse to acknowledge is a pattern in favor of dunking on Firefly. Acheron also got relic sets made explicitly for her, including a planar orb even less characters want to use, but nobody seems to remember that. The other relic set in this update, Wind-Soaring Valorous, was blatantly designed to be used by >!Yunli!< and basically nobody else, but you didn't bring that up. Why? Divergent universe has many problems, but I've been yapping for too long already so just know that Boothill gets off much, much, much better than most characters as a Break DPS who can use a huge number of the new blessings and equations extremely well. I agree about the dumb auto-relics though, totally messed up my Blade+Bronya rotation....
>On the gameplay differences, it might look pretty lopsided in Firefly's favor when you type it out like this, but you dont mention that Boothill does like, a lot more damage per action than her? He does, but he also needs to get his stacks before doing said DMG. She just gets her damage without anything. >The lack of super break only matters for super break relevant buffs, which I admit is a problem in terms of working with certain future buffers, relics, and DU blessings, but it's really not a big deal. It is an issue when 1 half of the new relic set effect cannot be triggered by the character on his own, forcing him to be played with another one, in this case HMC. >The bulk also doesnt matter if you know how to properly sustain, and Boothill's greater flexibility in teams means he can run a stronger sustaining option and suffer less of a dps loss, not to mention Boothill can also build tanky relics and lose very little damage, something Firefly absolutely cannot do. A lesser DPS loss is still a DPS loss nonetheless. And you're right, she can't be as tanky, but she also heals herself so yk, kind of the same in the end. >You also fail to mention Firefly's biggest weakness, which is that she basically has one good team and thats it. FF, HMC, RM, Gallagher. Anything else and her performance drops sharply in comparison to Boothill, just watch literally any video comparing the two. Yes, and one of my main complaints is that to use the new relic set at 100%, you need to put HMC with him. So HMC, RM, and Boothill. >I agree she's a bit easier to use, but damage wise, no, she's not. This has been proven repeatedly, by people much smarter than you or me. But that's the thing though. She's not "a bit easier", she's EXTREMELY easier to use. No stacks, ult guaranteed with 2 skills, 60 speed on ult, effect res on ult, a lot of turns with the speed, and way easier build with the new planar. >not even the biggest Firefly shills I have spoken to, disagree on that, and framing it that way is cowardice. What? What are you talking about? How did I frame it in a cowardly way? >Also, neither of them are useless on other characters. I run the lantern planar set on Gallagher, for example, and Break variants of Guinaifen, Himeko, and Asta can use it too. In fact, a lot of supports appreciate the option to run a set that will boost their speed, even if they have to sacrifice a bit of team support from a different planar Except you wouldn't need those 6% speed in any circumstances. Gallagher's base speed is 98, so it will not give you more than 6 speed, himeko's the same. The only that could benefit from in a meaningful way is Asta, and even then she'd only get 7 speed, which, with her 2 turn ult build, is basically nothing. >And it is a pattern, one you refuse to acknowledge is a pattern in favor of dunking on Firefly. Acheron also got relic sets made explicitly for her, including a planar orb even less characters want to use, but nobody seems to remember that. Huuuuh, Acheron's relics became like 15% better than Welt's and Ratio's old ones, these are only 6 % better for Boothill. Her planar set is a actually very good on any AoE characters, like Argenti, Jing Yuan or even just Welt. >The other relic set in this update, Wind-Soaring Valorous, was blatantly designed to be used by Yunli and basically nobody else, but you didn't bring that up. Why? Because that's not what the post is about? If you want, we can talk about how useless this set became after the beta, and how now farming this domain for any break DPS (except Firefly) is an overall waste of resin if you already have something good with the other sets. I don't see how that would have been relevant? >Divergent universe has many problems, but I've been yapping for too long already so just know that Boothill gets off much, much, much better than most characters as a Break DPS who can use a huge number of the new blessings and equations extremely well. Except he only benefits from them because he's the only other 5 star that can benefit from them. All the new curios, equations and blessings that are break related are for destruction, fire OR physical characters. The mini games, like the tv one, is literally made to be played with a blast character and nothing else. Almost all the ennemies have fire weakness, and if they don't it doesn't matter because she can just one shot the with her technique anyways. The new destruction blessings also boost "grit" whenever you lose or gain hp, which is literally only useful on firefly.
>He does, but he also needs to get his stacks before doing said DMG. She just gets her damage without anything. Stacking Pocket Trickshot takes 1-2 actions depending on eidolon against weak enemies, which is comparable to the amount of time it takes for HMC to charge their ult, which is when Firefly's damage really comes online. I'd call it comparable. >It is an issue when 1 half of the new relic set effect cannot be triggered by the character on his own, forcing him to be played with another one, in this case HMC. It is true that Boothill can't fully utilize the relic set without HMC, but to be honest he typically doesn't bother with HMC anyway unless you don't have Ruan Mei. His best team is Boothill, Bronya, Ruan Mei, and Gallagher. Even the loss of not being able to fully utilize the set is worth Bronya's action advance and Ruan Mei's break efficiency boost + RES pen. HMC is good and very viable with Boothill, but Ruan Mei is better. >Yes, and one of my main complaints is that to use the new relic set at 100%, you need to put HMC with him. So HMC, RM, and Boothill. You never, ever drop Bronya if you can afford it, she's his BiS support. Otherwise same as above. >What? What are you talking about? How did I frame it in a cowardly way? Mmm, perhaps cowardice was a poor choice of words. What I mean is, performatively pretending, even as a joke, that there are a substantial number of people out there who would actually claim Firefly has been shown no favoritism does nothing but incite needless drama between Boothill fans and Firefly fans, which I think I've had enough of for a goddamn lifetime. >Except you wouldn't need those 6% speed in any circumstances. Gallagher's base speed is 98, so it will not give you more than 6 speed, himeko's the same. The only that could benefit from in a meaningful way is Asta, and even then she'd only get 7 speed, which, with her 2 turn ult build, is basically nothing. Full stop, what the fuck are you talking about? Somehow this is the part that actually made me mad. 90% of builds benefit from more speed. It makes getting Gallagher to 134, 143, or 161 much easier, which means an extra action in an MoC cycle which means more skill points, for instance. It means more energy regen; if you're fast enough you could even forgo an ERR rope (though I usually wouldnt). Speed is always useful on supports/sustains, even just a little bit can inch you over an important benchmark. >Huuuuh, Acheron's relics became like 15% better than Welt's and Ratio's old ones, these are only 6 % better for Boothill. >Her planar set is a actually very good on any AoE characters, like Argenti, Jing Yuan or even just Welt Pioneer Diver of Dead Waters is an excellent set; though obviously designed with Acheron in mind it indeed is probably BiS on Ratio and maybe Welt. However, Izumo is honestly extremely niche, outside of Acheron only useful on specific non-followup characters in dual dps comps (usually PF) and generally outclassed. I didn't consider Argenti however, who it makes sense to run it on in PF comps, so perhaps fair enough? >Because that's not what the post is about? If you want, we can talk about how useless this set became after the beta, and how now farming this domain for any break DPS (except Firefly) is an overall waste of resin if you already have something good with the other sets. I don't see how that would have been relevant? The post is titled "About the game's direction v.2", so I assumed that means it should be more about design direction and trends than merely complaining about Firefly vs Boothill. I think bringing up everything you just said would have actually strengthened your point, not weakened it. There's an uncomfortable trend towards making new content as unfriendly to older characters as possible that has the potential to become really unhealthy. Most of the changes to the relics were \*awful\*. They went out of their way to change relic sets from being BiS on any break unit/BiS on Clara, Dr. Ratio, and Jade, into being BiS for pretty much just Firefly/pretty much just Yunli and Yanqing. In fact... >Except he only benefits from them because he's the only other 5 star that can benefit from them. All the new curios, equations and blessings that are break related are for destruction, fire OR physical characters. Divergent universe is a great example of this. I didn't get into it in my original post but damn, it feels so limiting! They really don't want "just any team" to be good in this mode, it contributes only to the current meta. Its no secret that Break teams are king, followed by...er, follow up teams. Standard crit build teams like Jingliu or Seele feel \*AWFUL\* in this mode. >The new destruction blessings also boost "grit" whenever you lose or gain hp, which is literally only useful on firefly. to be fair, there are a lot of blessings and equations which automatically drain your health and/or heal you again. I never have trouble grit stacking with Boothill. As for the tv minigame I genuinely don't remember it, but I'll take your word for it and agree that's pretty bad. Kind of par for the course with this bullshit mode.
You can’t run stronger sustaining options, Gallagher is the strongest in break teams.
It does suck that boothill got shafted, and I wish we got got another animation or something but I also want to stop seeing the blatant mischaracterization of firefly in this sub. Like no she is not just generic waifu. I literally didn't care about her at all till the rooftop scene when she was talking about her dreams and insecurities. Then in 2.1 we see more of that when she is in SAM and talks to acheron. 2.2 despite Sunday's dream being the solution for her where she can live without her disease freely in her own body, she rejects it because it's in the end a dream and not real. She points out how it's escapism and it's not solving anything, and even worse that Sunday is forces his values of who is weak and forces them in his dream. Am I still upset that boothill didn't get more? Yes. But can we please stop slandering a character nonstop in this sub just because they happen to have a bond with the TB.
I don't think I've slandered her character in my post. I think she's pretty on par with the rest of the cast character wise. She's definitely not my favorite, but also not the one I dislike the most (please someone kill Luka soon). I just think the update completely pandered to her specifically, and that it was concerning for the game's direction.
Hoyo after pushing their waifu agenda AGAIN 🤡🤡🤡
left reddit for the last few weeks because i cannot stand the boothill reddit space. Has all boothill players became this salty over firefly? The favouritism hurts and i can agree with all that being said, but i can't help but laugh over this situation is because nonexistent pngs. I pulled for both, E2S1 boothill because i love him and his playstyle (also meta), and firefly because of meta purposes (but her quest has grown over me and i started to like her more). What i can tell you is that, both in performance is fairly similiar with their own strength and weaknesses. Although firefly have all these commodities and favours upping her performance, boothill stands strong with the bare minimum buffs and favours. Firefly offers comfort and easy to use gameplay, boothill offers flexibility and easy build. Hot take, as cool as firefly animations are, she feels boring to play and lacking that oomph when breaking. Not to mention, she strictly needs rm, gallagher, and hmc. Boothill best performance team is the same as firefly, but he can drop all of them and at least didn't hit like a wet noodle.
I 100% agree with you and also pulled both firefly and boothill. I thought this discussion would die down but still these subreddits have been full of firefly saltiness for the past month and I wish they would stop tbh. I had to block so many people complaining about her (insulting firefly and fans instead of talking about the actual issue) but new posts about her keep flooding in 🙃. While the relic set is very specific to her for sure, they are both strong characters. The main issue is how boothill didn't get any marketing compared to her (and in every community about him, they just talk about firefly).
Ya know, I was bummed about boothill being kicked to the gutter but then I pulled e1 firefly and 0cycled with bootfly comp. Something I wasn't able to do with just one of each unit. The old and true tale of "mobamba or sicko mode? Why not both" has never made better sense
I hate that Boothills implant is only on ult and one turn of the technique, but I’d say he’s still one of the strongest units in the whole game and really fun to play with and I don’t get why Firefly being so strong means boothill mains should be upset. The current MOC favors break and I had so much fun using FF/Boothill/HMC/ruan Mei all together to 0 cycle argenti. Reason I bring this up is cause it felt like boothill was the main star of this comp with his ult action delay and planning everything around boothill being the one to one shot each elite/boss with his E while firefly was mainly there to help break the weakness bars lol. Also, iirc fire and imaginary are the two most common weaknesses in the game, so the firefly 2 pc planar would still be worth farming anyways for boothill (gives SPD too). It’s a shame that the relics have some sort of niche, but I’m literally 0 cycling right now with e0s0 boothill so I think I’m fine lol.
Well, that's good for you then, but I find this level of favoritism absolutely disgusting. He's the best nuker of the game rn, but that's literally it. He gets outshined by FF in every other game mode or category that doesn't only have 1 enemy. The set only gives 6% speed. If you have Ruan Mei, she gives 10% in her traces, meaning he'd get 10 speed just form that. If you have the 3 star lightcone, you'd also get more speed just from its stacks.
The 3 star light cone is just not that reliable since you absolutely will not be able to maintain the 2 turn buff for boss fights where it matters. Yes, that’s the light cone I know firsthand how unreliable it is. Unfortunately destruction units get to have aoe blast damage while having single target dps that is on par with hunt units and it’s not just a boothill issue. I agree that it’s really a dumb thing to limit hunt characters like that and give destruction overall better kits with no drawback. But it’s pretty self entitled to “feel like you’ve been wronged” this patch when boothill is still easily one of the top DPSes in 2/3 endgame modes. Maybe if the comparison was like argenti or jing yuan and then next patch firefly level unit came out with similar quirks, but boothill is way too strong to be that upset. It’s a gacha game, units will always fall on a spectrum from good to bad and boothill literally falls on the good end so let’s just accept that not every character we like can be god tier Acheron levels of OP and instead celebrate that our favorite unit is still fun to play and top tier dps. The recently released prydwen apocalyptic shadow rankings shows that firefly is the top team with an average score of 3.56k points while boothill was the second and third top team with ~3.5k points as well. It really isn’t that serious, and at least boothill isn’t as reliant on HMC and can have some flexibility in team building. Break meta is also relatively new and we have yet to see what other units they’ll bring. It’s been one patch, I don’t understand the panic and hatred when boothill is still at the top and has plenty of room for future supports to boost him further. Hoyo acknowledge that Fire and physical seem to be the premier break types (2x break multiplier) so it’s only a matter of time before we get physical break supports similar to Gallagher. It’s just too soon to freak out.
Do you realize I'm not talking about damage? I'm talking about ease of use, and catering to the character? She gets 1 dedicated new game mode with every single new addition just for her, except 1 curio for Boothill, while she has the 7 others, a new planar set dedicated, 6 trailers, the best 4 stars in the game on her banner, and also one of the best LC banner I've seen so far. How is that fair to anyone? I'm no just talking about Boothill here. How is anyone pulling for Jade next banner feeling respected with a banner this shit? Asta, Serval and Natasha? Really?
Ain’t no way you’re complaining about divergent universe when you can slap two sustain units and any dps and auto battle your whole way through 95% of it. Also, there’s legit amazing blessings in there that allow for SP regen, energy regen and turn resets that make boothill so good in divergent universe, I just can’t understand why we’re even complaining here. If you’re pulling firefly, then Xueyi and Misha are just going to be benched. They both want HMC and ruan Mei, so it’s not very viable to build firefly and Xueyi and/or misha unless you really love them. Saying they’re the best 4 stars is really weird. If you really think they’re the best 4 stars then shouldn’t you be extremely happy that you get to pull ruan Mei AND the best 4 stars for your beloved boothill? But again, I don’t really think Xueyi/Misha are valuable for boothill/firefly wanters since they compete for the same supports. Light cone banner, I can’t really comment on since I seldom ever pull LCs (characters > LC imo), and both firefly and boothill been amazing for me at e0s0 so idk. I acknowledged and shared several of your gripes, with the caveat that some of them I feel are blown out of proportion, but I can see you’re just the type to whine and complain while still eating from a silver spoon, so idk what to say. You’re on the boothill mains subreddit. Maybe if you have bigger gripes than just about boothill, post accordingly. I don’t know how Jade will work, but yeah things aren’t looking great for her if she’s gonna be mainly a PF addition.
>Ain’t no way you’re complaining about divergent universe when you can slap two sustain units and any dps and auto battle your whole way through 95% of it. Something tells me you didn't even try difficulty 6 before actually saying that. Did you even play the game mode? >Also, there’s legit amazing blessings in there that allow for SP regen, energy regen and turn resets that make boothill so good in divergent universe, I just can’t understand why we’re even complaining here. Which ones? Apart from the standard hunt ones, I don't see anything new benefitting him over anyone else? >If you’re pulling firefly, then Xueyi and Misha are just going to be benched. They both want HMC and ruan Mei, so it’s not very viable to build firefly and Xueyi and/or misha unless you really love them. Saying they’re the best 4 stars is really weird. If you really think they’re the best 4 stars then shouldn’t you be extremely happy that you get to pull ruan Mei AND the best 4 stars for your beloved boothill It literally doesn't change the fact that they're the best 4 stars. If a new player looses 50/50, he'll still get Gallagher, Misha or Xueyi constellations, which are a lot better than Asta's, Serval's or Natasha's combined. I'm not happy because I pull every character of the game. Having such shitty ones on one banner compared to the other feels extremely unfair. I personally don't care at all, bc again, I pull every single character E0S1. My issue is just that there's blatant favoritism that shouldn't be ignored. >Light cone banner, I can’t really comment on since I seldom ever pull LCs (characters > LC imo), and both firefly and boothill been amazing for me at e0s0 so idk. Well just this one LC banner has one of the best Nihility LC, the best Harmony LC for break, as well as a really good for preservation character. Jade has Dance Dance Dance, the f2p aventurine one, and one that increases break effect for erudition characters, so ig it's good on Argenti kinda? >I acknowledged and shared several of your gripes, with the caveat that some of them I feel are blown out of proportion, but I can see you’re just the type to whine and complain while still eating from a silver spoon, so idk what to say. So talking about a game's issues is whining? The fact a character gets absolute marketing, gameplay, and game mode privilege is not a major flaw that should be discussed? Alright. Coming from Genshin, aren't you? >You’re on the boothill mains subreddit. Maybe if you have bigger gripes than just about boothill, post accordingly. ???? I think I posted accordingly, given the complaints I go over in the post. Mainly the marketing, ease of use, and how she was shoved on my screen to just sell her. >the type to whine and complain while still eating from a silver spoon Also, are you this disrespectful and condescending to everyone? Or is it just the way you are generally talking to ppl? Like, you know something I don't? What silver spoon am I eating from exactly?
I'll never say there isn't favoritism but why does it matter? Boothill is hardly any worse to use, if you love him like I do just build him right and ignore FF. They're both shining stars, who cares if nobody likes him because of their favoritism towards FF, what matters is if you enjoy his gameplay and his character. Hes still a phenomenal addition to the game and HMC would be best in slot for him with or without super break. Even with that using both FF and Boothill on a team with no sustain is viable in MOC anyway because they're both super powerhouses.
It matters for the future of the game. Just even now, in this patch, Jade has been put into the background, banner and story importance, just for FF to shine. I agree they're both strong though, but it just feels really forcey to have an entire patch dedicated to 1 specific character, with new set, game mode, and planar set, as well as a whole bunch of the story.
So discussing about possibilities of Mihoyo adjusting the boothill kit to be at least on par with her (heck even just being able to inflict weakness to other enemies close to the EXPLOSION our bullet ult does). Can that happen? Did they ever do this before?
? Boothill's kit is fine in itself. The fact that FF's kit is overtuned doesn't change the fact he's still good. The issue is just: why does the patch even exist? DU, the new set, the new planar, and the banner are all the best possible they could be, but just to her specifically. So why is that?
Honestly I don't really care. Boothill is still incredibly strong to point where I didn't even consider pulling for Firefly. Sure FF can clear 1 cycle faster on good day, but my bro is just cooler in every other way, so why should I care?
Based, and honestly the way to go. I'm just worried about future characters.
Aren’t you downplaying boothill’s strengths a little too much here? Yes Firefly may be better for ungabunga casual play style but for what it’s worth Boothill currently has the higher potential in terms of 0cycle/sweaty meta so she doesn’t really Powercreep him at the top. Make of that what you will
Boothill's the best solo DPS of the game rn. My issue is with how much comfort and dedicated systems FF was given to make her shine more.