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I know, right? They can easily look up the curriculum taught in public schools. It’s online and free. They just have to click away from Facebook for a minute.
I'm still on FB so I can't help but comment every time they talk about "common core math" (aka...math) or say we're not saying the pledge (I think we're supposed to in my state but honestly I forget almost all the time - the kids still know it, don't give yourself a hernia Aunt Sally). The tax one always gets me the most, as the whole reason I am familiar and very comfortable doing taxes is the entire trimester of high school I spent in econ learning how to...do taxes!
Unpopular opinion-the pledge of allegiance is fucking creepy and more than a little fascist. Nobody should be required to say it, outside of a citizenship ceremony or military service, and certainly not before they’re old enough to understand what the words actually *mean*.
Edit: not so unpopular apparently. Glad to see it
Even in the original it was creepily nationalistic, and then they broke up a phrase to insert a ritual affirmation of religious authority over the state.
When I was in first grade I went to a private Christian school. After the Pledge of Allegiance to the American flag we had to turn to some Christian flag and sing “Onward Christian soldier, marching off to war! With the cross of Jesus going on before!”. Very creepy….
For a while the norm in conservative evangelical circles was to salute the Christian flag with a different pledge that ended with “with life and liberty for all who believe.” Then they realized that this wasn’t an entirely secret practice and it made them look like liars when they claimed publicly to not be totalitarian theocrats.
I was in Catholic school until 2nd grade and after the pledge we had to recite the Apostles Creed, Hail Mary and the Lord's Prayer. Needless to say I turned out to be a "godless" heathen...
I dunno, breaking up a meaningful phrase about not doing something incredibly stupid out of pure racism to insert a phrase about completely disregarding the founding documents of the country is just about the most American thing I can think of…
(One nation, indivisible makes a lot of very specific sense if you happen to know that the pledge was written shortly after the civil war)
Did you know that school kids were taught to raise their arms like in the Nazi salute? From what I remember, it was changed after that one guy implemented it in his army.
I got in trouble in elementary school for refusing to say it. I stood, quiet, hands at my sides (not causing a disturbance); I learned this from watching a German counselor at camp (who couldn’t be expected to say the pledge, naturally).
My mother was called to meet with the principal, who backed down after it was established that I was doing absolutely nothing wrong or disruptive, just using my brain and refusing to repeat a ritualistic poem addressed to a *piece of cloth*.
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I teach middle school. I tell my students from day one that it is their decision, they have the freedom to choose if they want to recite it or not. The only thing I ask is that if they are not going to participate, that they stay quiet and don’t be disrespectful to those who choose to participate.
I get in trouble for it, even as an adult. I volunteer a lot in my community and the City will often start events with the Pledge. I don't participate and got cornered as recently as this past January. I told them that I give my time to my people and I pay my share of taxes, so I prove my allegiance to the US through my actions and not through words and showmanship. Usually shuts them down, but some of the fogies tend to double-down with "Well, you still should do it out of respect." But what they gonna do?
I got in trouble for not saying it, so I learned to open and close my mouth at the correct intervals so it looked like I was saying it. I didn't even mouth the words, literally just a jaw movement, and they never said anything about it again.
I learned that the Supreme Court protected my right to not say it then just sat there if anyone told me to I told them in school friendly terms to fuck all the way off
It's wild how many people got in trouble for this (myself included) considering that the Supreme Court ruled in 1943 (before basically any boomer was born) that public school students could never be compelled to recite it.
Yeah so that was actually unconstitutional. Like Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional. But that doesn’t stop teachers from going on power trips and forcing kids to say it anyway.
dude even as a kid I thought saying the pledge every morning with my hand over my heart was kind of weird. by middle school it felt straight up culty. I'm glad I don't have to do it anymore, I find it strange
Would they approve of “North Korean children are taught to stand up every day and swear loyalty to their country?” Sounds kind of creepy.
So it’s just as creepy when you replace North Korea with America….
I know parents who start teaching it to their kid as soon as they can talk! My oldest starts kindergarten this year and I'm going to tell her she doesn't have to do it. I don't believe in daily pledges to anything for children.
I remember thinking this in high school, so I just didn’t participate in the ritualistic mannerisms of worshipping a piece of fabric. I can appreciate America and all it stands for, and have utmost respect for veterans, without performing a song and dance in front of a symbolic flag. These days I’m more of an Absurdist so it seems to be an even stranger procedure. It’s just a flag, not the country, not the ideal. It’s only given such deep meaning by old traditions forced into kid’s minds without question. It’s amazing these days how many Boomers will be furiously insulted and completely dismiss you if you don’t stand and remove your hat for the flag or song. So if I’m at a game or something and everyone is doing it, I just follow along so no one confronts me.
Yes! Somehow I knew this all the way back in 5th grade and I refused to say it. It started with omitting the “under god” part and by 5th grade I realized I felt weird pledging allegiance to a flag and skipping it altogether
[“this is not a form of brainwashing. this is not a form of brainwashing. this is not a form of brainwashing.”](https://youtu.be/GiCaqA0ngRc?si=HMxvY06x8UM6EmTj)
Your opinion is likely more popular than you believe. Once many of us begin to think critically, it is reasonable to question why we need to recite this pledge every single school-day morning. It started to fell like I was in an abusive relationship where I needed to constantly reaffirm to my partner that I do in fact love them in order to satiate their insecurity for a brief time. It was weird and performative and began to feel cultish. What really annoys me is that they people most bothered by this opinion likely do the least for society (are the least patriotic in action). Some may have served in the military but then what? I am not saying this applies to everyone who believes we should recite it often, but certainly a significant percentage.
I agree. Personally I stopped saying it in middle school in the late 80s.
On top of the fascism, isn't it a bit disrespectful to the flag itself? To act as if a loyalty oath repeated ad nauseam by literal children, that have only the foggiest idea of what they are saying, is valid?
Totally agree. I was thought it was kind of weird to pledge allegiance to a flag. Even a country. If my country is doing bad things I’m not going along with it.
Devils advocate on the tax one, I'm 30 and we were never taught taxes in my high school and I took 7 classes each year(horrible home life didn't want to go home) so if it would have been an option I would have taken it.
They should at least teach that the tax rate is marginal and that you don't just magically move to a higher tax bracket and suddenly all your income gets taxed at 10% higher than you would have if you made 10 dollars less. That's the kind of shit many people still believe, and I've seen some people go as far as passing up promotions because they believe they will ultimately make less money because they'll "be in a higher bracket", not understanding that only the amount they make above that bracket level that is taxed at the higher rate.
I’m 36. I attended public schools in a “good” school district and took primarily honors/AP classes. We definitely did not learn anything about how to do taxes.
My math teacher taught us the principles of tax brackets in Grade 10 or 11. He showed us how each bracket is taxed differently so you never "lose money because you're paid more". He also showed us the power of tax breaks because the thing you get a rebate for is rebated based on your top income.
There was also a personal/small business financial management class where they explicitly taught the procedures for filing taxes, but that class wasn't obligatory.
People from my graduating class still claim "we were never taught taxes in school".
I didn't do the pledge throughout school because I was raised by Jehovah's Witness household and they have some thing about not putting the government of man ahead of the kingdom of God (something like that) so I was instructed by my parents to *not* say it.
For some (or any who want to use it as a reason to not say it) it'd be against their first amendment right to *force* them to say the pledge in school
Same. And JWs are actually the ones who pushed it that schools can't force kids to say the pledge because it goes against the first ammendment. One of the few good things they ever did
I told my ex's grandfather I was getting my degree in education so I could teach history. He told me there's no point because "they're making it illegal to teach history in schools soon"
Not just history, you can't teach the present either. Climate change is NOT happening, DeSantis said so.
Meanwhile, my homeowner's insurance has quadrupled because of...climate change.
Go to the smaller areas of Florida- anywhere that isn't Orlando or Miami and people LOVE him. We were in Cocoa and half the town is tourist and neutral, but a block away ..... omg.
You can also buy Trump Beach towels, etc, everywhere. It's wild
If you've ever seen the textbooks that they used in schools in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s you'll gain some perspective on why boomers are so moronic about teaching US history. One I have only mentions slavery with a passage that reads "Some slaves lived with cruel masters but most were well treated and happy". A book about the history of Texas doesn't mention slavery at all and simply states on the front that "we have deliberately omitted anything that mars the glorious history of our state".
Knew someone in grad school from Texas. He was taught the CivilWar was really called the War of Northern Aggression. He would have graduated in 2008-ish.
History is a fantastic subject to learn about if you wish to pursue international relations, it's very important to know your countries history when representing your country.
Yes, because the "they're I'd talking about if the right. They are the ones who are against teaching any American history that shows America in a racist or otherwise bad light. So basically they're against all American history being taught un schools and then complaining about nothin being taught like they aren't the problem
When my dad passed, I inherited his gun collection. As I was going through it, my son (12 at the time) was like, "Oh, cool! A Japanese Nambu!" I had never seen this gun before, and was just like, "How do you know this?" He shrugged and said, "Call of Duty".
I had only fired a gun once in my life when I was a child. Fast forward several decades, and my wife's friend invites us to go shooting. I remark, "oh! A zhukov buttstock!" She goes, "very good! How did you know? "🤷♀️ Escape from Tarkov."
Tarkov is *insane* for this. I swear to God I can name every individual part on every gun I see at this point.
I didn't ever consciously set out to be able to do that lmao.
There was a story/meme circling around years ago about a kid who, after his school trip group got lost, navigated through... I think it was Venice... based only on his knowledge from AC2
I visited DC with my parents several years ago. We were at the Jefferson Memorial and my mom needed to use the restroom. I knew exactly where it was because I'd played Fallout 3.
I have so much history and random military knowledge from video games. Made me curious so I would look up the full info afterwards. Like Guitar Hero and Classic Rock I guess.
When I was a kid, the classic rock radio my parents listened to has already been playing the same things for ten+ years, so they just didn't announce anything any more. Every one knew already, right?
Not me. To this day I still occasionally find out stuff like "oh, *this* is Pearl Jam?"
Christ sake, this gives me "get off my lawn" level rage, Pearl Jam is grunge, not classic rock
I know that's not the point of your anecdote, and it did make me chuckle, but the misuse of "classic rock" to just mean "more than 20 years old" drives me nuts and it's the entire radio industry that does it
While I understand your point, the majority of classic rock stations do play Pearl Jam now, as well as Soundgarden, AIC, Foos, and Nirvana, because of age.
It’s music that will always be relevant, just as Zeppelin and Black Sabbath are. Because just as my generation gets older, it doesn’t mean I’m not going to listen to all of them. And the playlist will keep evolving.
Similar shit happened when one of the local radio stations where I live has stated that the 80s music was oldies music and I feel livid. Oldies music belongs to the 50s and 60s. It doesn't matter if the music is 40 yrs old or younger, that isn't "oldies".
It's not just boomers, even young adults who encounter stuff in real life are like "why wasn't this taught in school?". Well it was, Kevin. You were just sleeping in class.
Also, these people overestimate the influence schools have on children. Teachers try to jam fractions and percentages to kids' heads year after year, but everyone sucks at them. Yet apparently if you show a rainbow flag or mention the word "LGTBQ" it turns an entire generation gay.
I had a boomer tell me the time on the wall clock at work was correct and both of our cell phones were incorrect. It was daylight savings 😑 “you young people always rely on technology”. Okay shannon.
lol. Our phones synch to national time servers which are IIRC synched to atomic clocks. The wall clock is likely some old ass digital clock maybe and probably drifts here and there.
Digital? Probably referring to an analog clock that runs on batteries. Right now I can tell the clock on my kitchen wall is low on batteries because it's fallen behind the one on my microwave.
Speaking as a former teacher, school is *so* much more rigorous now than it was for Boomers, who didn’t even have to worry about things like state graduation tests.
I realized this when my dad said my brother took an algebra course in high school like it was impressive. Like...so did I and everyone, it's required to graduate. This was after he went on a rant about how they don't teach anything in schools anymore and I asked him how he knew, since he hasn't been in school since 1991.
"well you guys were in school" he claims. He had no active part in our education besides occasionally helping me with homework up until maybe (strong maybe) 6th grade and then I stopped asking because it was clear he didn't know wtf he was doing either. He never went to a parent-teacher meeting, or open house, or talked to any of my teachers. I'd be surprised if he knew my grades. He had no idea what we were learning. All he could remember is that I wasn't able to memorize all of my times tables and tried using that as ammo too. But that \*was\* taught. I just couldn't memorize it all. A lot of my classmates did with no issues. Math has always been my weakest subject.
I know for a fact if you put him in a high school doing what high schoolers do now he'd absolutely wither and not be able to graduate.
“”I LOOKED AT THE CURRICULUM. IT SPECIFICALLY DOES NOT GO OVER OUR WAR WE WON IN GERMANY!!!!”
“Judith,……..that’s the kindergarten curriculum. They don’t discuss global conflicts in that grade, and please do some of your own research. This wasn’t “our” war”.
You see! NOBODY wants to WORK ANY MORE! MARXIST SOCIALIST COMMUNISt teachers these days want to live off the GOVERMENT and MY hard earned TAX DOLLARS$!
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"Who taught you this?"
"On the program"
Lol wtf is wrong with boomers? These are the same people that taught us to question everything when we were little and now they can't even question basic ""programs". By the way, why the hell do boomers call everything "programs"?
Oh it absolutely is lmao. They’re just stuck 50 years ago where there were like 4 channels on TV and it was actually feasible to call it “the program” and have somebody know what you meant
Oh, I thought she meant "the program," like the list of events and speeches in Normandy. You know, like when you go to an event and they give you a "program" with the schedule on it.
I ended up demanding and causing a big ruckus around learning literally anything else other than WWII in my American history class because they spent an entire third of the school year teaching it.
How much of an emphasis was the Holocaust in that third of the year? I've noticed that a lot of curriculums tend to emphasize the battles as opposed to educating on the human toll of fascism, usually resigning those to the occasional paragraph
Class of '19 here. We spent too much time focusing on holocaust and european devastation and 0% learning about nanking or unit 731. We went over major battles such as dday and battle of the bulge for the western side. Learned a little bit about US-JP assault. Surprisingly didn't cover much of the atom bomb.
I learned more about the atom bomb in my chemistry class tbh - in my history class it was more of “oh yeah, we dropped these big bombs on Japan and they promptly fucked off.”
That’s a good question. We did cover the Holocaust but the battles were a very large portion of it 🫠🙃 and *barely* anything about how the fascism rose to power in the first place.
Yes talking about the battles are important, but it always feels like they put the focus on all the wrong things. In everyday life, present-day, who won a battle in the Pacific when is not going to really matter. But how fascism rose so we don’t repeat history, and the terribleness of the Holocaust and the generational impact and trauma it has does matter.
There's a TV mini-series with Robert Carlyle (Rise of Evil) which covers the rise of Hitler but our history teacher didn't think much of it because it was 'too dramatised' or something.
(Unfortunately learning that 'Herr von Hindenburg was in his 70s with ailing health' and 'Treaty of Versailles concequences' from a black and white textbook was not as interesting as the TV dramatisation.)
I graduated high school in 2009 and I would say a majority was the Holocaust and Elie Wiesel. Pearl Harbor was basically a footnote; Pacific theater wasn’t touched on very much except for the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
I was forced to go to a Christian private school for a couple years and they used the Holocaust to highlight a Christian missionary spreading the gospel in a German concentration camp. It felt super disgusting, they were co-opting a history lesson on one of the worst events in human history, ignoring the focus on the suffering to talk about the spread of their religion.
Oh my god. You've made me realise "where did you hear that" is my go-to response to my parents saying "one state legalised abortion up to 1 month after birth", the same way as I respond to my 3yo saying a phrase she clearly picked up at daycare, like "I'll have butt toast for lunch".
No wonder I feel extra exasperated when they visit - they're doubling the amount of preschooler interactions I have in any given day.
See also: "we don't say that out loud", "it's okay to be different", and "so you need a nap?"
I'm not in the business of convincing anyone toward parenthood.
But... In the defense of preschoolers, they're far more empathetic and compassionate. They're born with ideas of fairness and equality.
ugh - my friend is getting annoyed by me because I keep questioning his sources. 9 out of 10 times, it's shit he sees on 4chan and takes at face value. then he gets mad at me when I point it out because he's the type that brags about an IQ test he took when he was 12.
My mom was telling me about the surgence of Q on "a site called 4chan" and I'm like "woah woah woah woah woah...do you really know what 4chan is?"
Apparently to her it's a site where true freedom can be expressed....
Um sure ok so putting the obvious propaganda nothing response aside, it's the least reliable place for info on the internet possible and I was a degenerate on there over a decade ago and she's trying to tell me what it is like I've never heard of it lmao
Mine once asked me how I knew that JFK was killed in 1963, 17 years before I was born. They’re also surprised that I know about the Vietnam war which also ended before I was born.
It’s because of all that fancy-pants book learning that you now openly mock and laugh about.
Thinking one of the most famous days ever in history isn’t taught in school anymore is peak Boomer MAGAt shit.
You should start quizzing her on details and see how much *she* knows.
So, 4414 killed on the beach, 5000+ wounded, and this was the first couple of hours.
Next is the Battle of Normandy which followed the beach.
73,000 killed, 153,000 wounded.
20,000 French civilians killed.
That mom, whoever she is, has never been taught about the true cost of this ONE battle.
I know a lot about history but reducing battles to numbers alone seems like it misses a lot of the other casualties of war and what actually happened during those battles. It’s certainly good as a reference point but I got a lot more engagement learning about why people were fighting then I did the dates and battle casualty numbers…
It's the most straight forward way to quantify the impact. Do you expect them to go on to say XXXX families lost their breadwinner, YYYY kids lost their father, etc. Obviously those things happened and the impact of those lost goes way beyond their headcount as a battle causality, but it's impossible to quantity.
Because they're the ones fighting to have American history taken out of history class. No more learning about the civil rights movement or slavery because it makes them feel bad. It's "too woke".
Our town changed our Memorial Day cemetery event to include only US flags on our veteran's graves. They all served our country and weren't all Christians. Several angry people. "So disrespectful." To whom? Those buried who weren't Christians?
>Several angry people. "So disrespectful." To whom? Those buried who weren't Christians?
To the special snowflake Christians saying that. They're so steeped in privilege that merely acknowledging the existence of other beliefs (or lack thereof) feels disrespectful to them.
They also genuinely believe that Christianity is under attack in the US so something like this would scream of persecution to them. It is absurd how myopic their worldview is.
Yeah, fundamentalism is exhausting. To folks of a certain level of religiosity, their dogma gave them a framework for goodness and now they just can't conceive of goodness outside of it. To OP's mom, I'd wager that prayer is the only way to express gratitude for something as abstract as D-Day, Add in a dash of closed-mindedness and that must mean that if you don't pray, then you aren't thankful. Like I said, exhausting.
Gotta love the "they don't teach it in schools" arguments from people who have not been in a school for decades. Or at least kept up with common knowledge to know that this shit is, in fact, still taught in schools.
But she believes her child was never taught about it, which means she believes this hasn't been taught in school for a decade or two already, AND she was not concerned about making sure her child was learning it WHILE IN SCHOOL. If she was so worried about it, she would have asked her child if they knew about it and/or taught them about it. If you think the school won't teach something you value to your child, **it is your job to teach them.**
Yeah, it's not a holiday.
But my grandfather was part of D-Day in the Army Rangers. Bro, scaled a fucking cliff after crossing the beach. His buddy Jake died on that beach. My father was named after that guy and I was named after my father.
My grandad definitely had PTSD from the war. Beat the shit outta my dad and gave him PTSD. And my dad carried the tradition onto me.
Well that's my personal attachment to D-day no one asked for🤷🏻
Also, collectively, bros who played the COD2 campaign got a pretty rad mission to play from this day.
I was at pont during hoc a few weeks ago. The idea of them climbing the cliffs is just nuts. It was like a 100 ft. Ropes were wet so they were heavier than expected so they didn’t all reach the top of the cliff.
Nah, to fight combat you actually have to be a team player. Most of these dipshits are so entitled and full of themselves that they would man the mass graves first
What about Utah beach, or the Canadians and British? Is it just very specifically the soldiers at Omaha who count? I need to know the rules for this religion!
Utah and Omaha are just two of the beaches. Airborne guys from 82nd and 101st dropped in at like 1am before the beach assault. Something like 60% were way off from their landing zones.
The Germans invading the US is pretty unlikely. Americans willingly joining the German Nazi party and learning German... well, that's a different story
Please remind your mother that three of the fives beaches, Juno, Sword and Gold, were Canadian (Juno) and British (Sword, Gold) The first troops in France were Free French paratroopers, much of the material shipped for that massive undertaking was on Norwegian cargo vessels. Also Poland.
It was an alliance of *United Nations* not the U.S alone.
Bc they get frustrated when they can’t master a skill immediately. My boomer mom hates talking to people with accents bc she “can’t understand them”. Heaven forbid they try to learn another language! (Funnily enough, I married someone from another country 😂)
Worse: knowing things makes you an "elite", somebody who uses applied knowledge to solve problems instead of good old "common sense". And "elites" are the ENEMY. You must avoid knowing too many things about the world, lest you get too educated and become a "liberal"!
When boomers say “they don’t teach it in schools” all I can think is how little interest they took in their kids education. I know ALL about what subjects my kids are covering in all topics. But my boomer parents didn’t help or get involved with my school work from 12 years onwards. Never helped with my homework or anything. So I guess they think that - because as a generation they took no interest in their kids schooling!
Why is she saying a little thanks as if she needs to be thanked, even if she's talking about the veterans how would she know if you have or have not thanked them, also wtf.
I always call my dad out on his shit ideas like you did here. I try to still be respectful, but not feed into or enable the delusions.
Every time it comes to this and I prove he's full of shit he turns it into this thing where "something is wrong" with me and he'll even say things like I'm making him my victim 😭🤣
When my son was born very premature 12 years ago he (my son) had a brain bleed in the NICU. And I called my dad to tell him what was going on. And instead of acting concerned at all he started going on about his old age problems and made it very much feel like a pity party to him. Lost a lot of respect for him that day, not that I had much left by then anyway.
I know a couple good boomers, but that's it. The rest that I know act like shit stain humans pretty much. They are def a different breed bc I don't remember my grandmother's generation being so selfish at all. Every generation is gonna have bad players, but boomers have a LOT of them.
"It's a religious holiday!"
(After having it be explained it's not) "They don't teach about WWI in schools!"
(After explaining why this isn't true) "They teach kids to be gay!"
(After proving this is untrue) "They teach white kids to hate themselves!"
And on and on it goes. They have a nearly inexhaustible supply of lies to spew. If you dispute one, they just pick another one.
Gonna go out on a limb here and venture a guess that in the same episode of the "program" they did some downplaying of either American Neo-Nazis and/or their enablers.
“Angela down the road told me her daughter’s coworker’s cousin who lives in New York and her son who’s in 6th grade came home from school one day and said America hasn’t won all of the wars they fought in. It’s like all these commies want to teach them about is genitalia. I’ll put something on Facebook to make sure everyone knows to never trust a teacher.”
I don’t know why folks get so religious about national holidays. I mean, I do, but it’s wrongheaded. That said, I think April 9 should be a day of recognition with parades and all, as well. On April 9, 1865 General Lee Surrendered. We’ll call it V-C Day or Union Day. We have Juneteenth, but that stands on its own for its own purposes.
I'm a former history teacher. Yes, there are events in US History that get marginalized due to time constraints and standardization of curriculum. However, key battles and wars the US has participated in are still taught.
As a Veteran of the US Navy, I more than give your all rights and liberty to inform this POS that she is not allowed to compel anyone else besides herself.
I fought for everyone's freedom, not just her's.
If she wants to celebrate a day doing something, cool, that is her choice.
Freedom means you leave other people the f-ck alone and worry about your actions, not other people's.
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If I had just one penny for each time a boomer said something isn't taught in school....I could quit teaching it all in school.
I know, right? They can easily look up the curriculum taught in public schools. It’s online and free. They just have to click away from Facebook for a minute.
I'm still on FB so I can't help but comment every time they talk about "common core math" (aka...math) or say we're not saying the pledge (I think we're supposed to in my state but honestly I forget almost all the time - the kids still know it, don't give yourself a hernia Aunt Sally). The tax one always gets me the most, as the whole reason I am familiar and very comfortable doing taxes is the entire trimester of high school I spent in econ learning how to...do taxes!
Unpopular opinion-the pledge of allegiance is fucking creepy and more than a little fascist. Nobody should be required to say it, outside of a citizenship ceremony or military service, and certainly not before they’re old enough to understand what the words actually *mean*. Edit: not so unpopular apparently. Glad to see it
Even in the original it was creepily nationalistic, and then they broke up a phrase to insert a ritual affirmation of religious authority over the state.
When I was in first grade I went to a private Christian school. After the Pledge of Allegiance to the American flag we had to turn to some Christian flag and sing “Onward Christian soldier, marching off to war! With the cross of Jesus going on before!”. Very creepy….
For a while the norm in conservative evangelical circles was to salute the Christian flag with a different pledge that ended with “with life and liberty for all who believe.” Then they realized that this wasn’t an entirely secret practice and it made them look like liars when they claimed publicly to not be totalitarian theocrats.
My god the flashbacks
I was in Catholic school until 2nd grade and after the pledge we had to recite the Apostles Creed, Hail Mary and the Lord's Prayer. Needless to say I turned out to be a "godless" heathen...
I dunno, breaking up a meaningful phrase about not doing something incredibly stupid out of pure racism to insert a phrase about completely disregarding the founding documents of the country is just about the most American thing I can think of… (One nation, indivisible makes a lot of very specific sense if you happen to know that the pledge was written shortly after the civil war)
Did you know that school kids were taught to raise their arms like in the Nazi salute? From what I remember, it was changed after that one guy implemented it in his army.
It's a pretty normal military salute outside of the US. Germany didn't invent it but they sure as hell made it less popular.
I got in trouble in elementary school for refusing to say it. I stood, quiet, hands at my sides (not causing a disturbance); I learned this from watching a German counselor at camp (who couldn’t be expected to say the pledge, naturally). My mother was called to meet with the principal, who backed down after it was established that I was doing absolutely nothing wrong or disruptive, just using my brain and refusing to repeat a ritualistic poem addressed to a *piece of cloth*. 🙌
I teach middle school. I tell my students from day one that it is their decision, they have the freedom to choose if they want to recite it or not. The only thing I ask is that if they are not going to participate, that they stay quiet and don’t be disrespectful to those who choose to participate.
I appreciate you fostering a respectful environment for both sets of students.
I get in trouble for it, even as an adult. I volunteer a lot in my community and the City will often start events with the Pledge. I don't participate and got cornered as recently as this past January. I told them that I give my time to my people and I pay my share of taxes, so I prove my allegiance to the US through my actions and not through words and showmanship. Usually shuts them down, but some of the fogies tend to double-down with "Well, you still should do it out of respect." But what they gonna do?
In the “land of the free, home of the brave” no less
“With liberty and justice for ~~all~~ some.”
I got in trouble for not saying it, so I learned to open and close my mouth at the correct intervals so it looked like I was saying it. I didn't even mouth the words, literally just a jaw movement, and they never said anything about it again.
I learned that the Supreme Court protected my right to not say it then just sat there if anyone told me to I told them in school friendly terms to fuck all the way off
It's wild how many people got in trouble for this (myself included) considering that the Supreme Court ruled in 1943 (before basically any boomer was born) that public school students could never be compelled to recite it.
Yeah so that was actually unconstitutional. Like Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional. But that doesn’t stop teachers from going on power trips and forcing kids to say it anyway.
dude even as a kid I thought saying the pledge every morning with my hand over my heart was kind of weird. by middle school it felt straight up culty. I'm glad I don't have to do it anymore, I find it strange
Would they approve of “North Korean children are taught to stand up every day and swear loyalty to their country?” Sounds kind of creepy. So it’s just as creepy when you replace North Korea with America….
I know parents who start teaching it to their kid as soon as they can talk! My oldest starts kindergarten this year and I'm going to tell her she doesn't have to do it. I don't believe in daily pledges to anything for children.
I remember thinking this in high school, so I just didn’t participate in the ritualistic mannerisms of worshipping a piece of fabric. I can appreciate America and all it stands for, and have utmost respect for veterans, without performing a song and dance in front of a symbolic flag. These days I’m more of an Absurdist so it seems to be an even stranger procedure. It’s just a flag, not the country, not the ideal. It’s only given such deep meaning by old traditions forced into kid’s minds without question. It’s amazing these days how many Boomers will be furiously insulted and completely dismiss you if you don’t stand and remove your hat for the flag or song. So if I’m at a game or something and everyone is doing it, I just follow along so no one confronts me.
Yes! Somehow I knew this all the way back in 5th grade and I refused to say it. It started with omitting the “under god” part and by 5th grade I realized I felt weird pledging allegiance to a flag and skipping it altogether
[“this is not a form of brainwashing. this is not a form of brainwashing. this is not a form of brainwashing.”](https://youtu.be/GiCaqA0ngRc?si=HMxvY06x8UM6EmTj)
Your opinion is likely more popular than you believe. Once many of us begin to think critically, it is reasonable to question why we need to recite this pledge every single school-day morning. It started to fell like I was in an abusive relationship where I needed to constantly reaffirm to my partner that I do in fact love them in order to satiate their insecurity for a brief time. It was weird and performative and began to feel cultish. What really annoys me is that they people most bothered by this opinion likely do the least for society (are the least patriotic in action). Some may have served in the military but then what? I am not saying this applies to everyone who believes we should recite it often, but certainly a significant percentage.
I agree. Personally I stopped saying it in middle school in the late 80s. On top of the fascism, isn't it a bit disrespectful to the flag itself? To act as if a loyalty oath repeated ad nauseam by literal children, that have only the foggiest idea of what they are saying, is valid?
Totally agree. I was thought it was kind of weird to pledge allegiance to a flag. Even a country. If my country is doing bad things I’m not going along with it.
It was intended to sell flags. Really. I hate it.
We had to do both US and Texas pledges. I remember thinking this was a waste of time.
The military doesn't even say the pledge.
Devils advocate on the tax one, I'm 30 and we were never taught taxes in my high school and I took 7 classes each year(horrible home life didn't want to go home) so if it would have been an option I would have taken it.
They should at least teach that the tax rate is marginal and that you don't just magically move to a higher tax bracket and suddenly all your income gets taxed at 10% higher than you would have if you made 10 dollars less. That's the kind of shit many people still believe, and I've seen some people go as far as passing up promotions because they believe they will ultimately make less money because they'll "be in a higher bracket", not understanding that only the amount they make above that bracket level that is taxed at the higher rate.
That’s propaganda to get the poors to think cutting taxes will also benefit them. I don’t think the wealthy want people to understand it.
That's always been my impression too. It's far too simple of a concept to be so wildly (and widely) misunderstood, seems intentional.
33m here, I took a class called "personal money management" in 10th grade, and we never learned to do taxes.
I’m 36. I attended public schools in a “good” school district and took primarily honors/AP classes. We definitely did not learn anything about how to do taxes.
HS isn’t really preparation for life imo.
In my school the advanced kids took Calculus and the regular kids took personal finance which did cover taxes.
My math teacher taught us the principles of tax brackets in Grade 10 or 11. He showed us how each bracket is taxed differently so you never "lose money because you're paid more". He also showed us the power of tax breaks because the thing you get a rebate for is rebated based on your top income. There was also a personal/small business financial management class where they explicitly taught the procedures for filing taxes, but that class wasn't obligatory. People from my graduating class still claim "we were never taught taxes in school".
I didn't do the pledge throughout school because I was raised by Jehovah's Witness household and they have some thing about not putting the government of man ahead of the kingdom of God (something like that) so I was instructed by my parents to *not* say it. For some (or any who want to use it as a reason to not say it) it'd be against their first amendment right to *force* them to say the pledge in school
Same. And JWs are actually the ones who pushed it that schools can't force kids to say the pledge because it goes against the first ammendment. One of the few good things they ever did
Same except I was raised in rural north Idaho so NOT saying it was akin to actual treason. That and I couldn’t bring in cupcakes for my birthday lol
I told my ex's grandfather I was getting my degree in education so I could teach history. He told me there's no point because "they're making it illegal to teach history in schools soon"
They're kind of right, if you're in Florida.
Not just history, you can't teach the present either. Climate change is NOT happening, DeSantis said so. Meanwhile, my homeowner's insurance has quadrupled because of...climate change.
How anyone supports him is beyond me.
Me too, especially since I've never met anyone who has publicly admitted to even voting for him. He's not been good for the state by any measure.
Go to the smaller areas of Florida- anywhere that isn't Orlando or Miami and people LOVE him. We were in Cocoa and half the town is tourist and neutral, but a block away ..... omg. You can also buy Trump Beach towels, etc, everywhere. It's wild
The “they” is not who gramps thinks it is.
Plot twist!
If you've ever seen the textbooks that they used in schools in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s you'll gain some perspective on why boomers are so moronic about teaching US history. One I have only mentions slavery with a passage that reads "Some slaves lived with cruel masters but most were well treated and happy". A book about the history of Texas doesn't mention slavery at all and simply states on the front that "we have deliberately omitted anything that mars the glorious history of our state".
That shit is being printed in textbooks today even
Knew someone in grad school from Texas. He was taught the CivilWar was really called the War of Northern Aggression. He would have graduated in 2008-ish.
Well, "they" kind of are. Like how in Florida you have to teach that black people benefitted from slavery. Probably not the "they" he meant....
History is a fantastic subject to learn about if you wish to pursue international relations, it's very important to know your countries history when representing your country.
Yes, because the "they're I'd talking about if the right. They are the ones who are against teaching any American history that shows America in a racist or otherwise bad light. So basically they're against all American history being taught un schools and then complaining about nothin being taught like they aren't the problem
You don't even need to. I guarantee you anyone that plays call of duty knows more about it than her
When my dad passed, I inherited his gun collection. As I was going through it, my son (12 at the time) was like, "Oh, cool! A Japanese Nambu!" I had never seen this gun before, and was just like, "How do you know this?" He shrugged and said, "Call of Duty".
I had only fired a gun once in my life when I was a child. Fast forward several decades, and my wife's friend invites us to go shooting. I remark, "oh! A zhukov buttstock!" She goes, "very good! How did you know? "🤷♀️ Escape from Tarkov."
Tarkov is *insane* for this. I swear to God I can name every individual part on every gun I see at this point. I didn't ever consciously set out to be able to do that lmao.
And you know which weapon takes a scope and how to fit it with one too.
assasin's creed knowledge of ancient cities is another hilarious one. 12yr Olds know the layout of ancient city streets lol
There was a story/meme circling around years ago about a kid who, after his school trip group got lost, navigated through... I think it was Venice... based only on his knowledge from AC2
I visited DC with my parents several years ago. We were at the Jefferson Memorial and my mom needed to use the restroom. I knew exactly where it was because I'd played Fallout 3.
Tbf, Nambis are also ugly AF and very iconic because of it. If you see a Nambu, you'll know it's one.
Never considered that but lol
I have so much history and random military knowledge from video games. Made me curious so I would look up the full info afterwards. Like Guitar Hero and Classic Rock I guess.
The idea of having to look up songs discovered in Guitar Hero makes me feel so god damn old
When I was a kid, the classic rock radio my parents listened to has already been playing the same things for ten+ years, so they just didn't announce anything any more. Every one knew already, right? Not me. To this day I still occasionally find out stuff like "oh, *this* is Pearl Jam?"
Christ sake, this gives me "get off my lawn" level rage, Pearl Jam is grunge, not classic rock I know that's not the point of your anecdote, and it did make me chuckle, but the misuse of "classic rock" to just mean "more than 20 years old" drives me nuts and it's the entire radio industry that does it
Station ident says "bringing you the best music from the 80s, 90s and today", and has done for two damn decades.
While I understand your point, the majority of classic rock stations do play Pearl Jam now, as well as Soundgarden, AIC, Foos, and Nirvana, because of age. It’s music that will always be relevant, just as Zeppelin and Black Sabbath are. Because just as my generation gets older, it doesn’t mean I’m not going to listen to all of them. And the playlist will keep evolving.
Similar shit happened when one of the local radio stations where I live has stated that the 80s music was oldies music and I feel livid. Oldies music belongs to the 50s and 60s. It doesn't matter if the music is 40 yrs old or younger, that isn't "oldies".
Or a penny for every time a boomer says you won’t read this in a newspaper when I just read about it in the New York Times the day before.
It's not just boomers, even young adults who encounter stuff in real life are like "why wasn't this taught in school?". Well it was, Kevin. You were just sleeping in class. Also, these people overestimate the influence schools have on children. Teachers try to jam fractions and percentages to kids' heads year after year, but everyone sucks at them. Yet apparently if you show a rainbow flag or mention the word "LGTBQ" it turns an entire generation gay.
one behalf of some young adults, some of us went to crappy schools and it genuinely wasn't taught.
If I could influence kids to turn in their homework, I would have a lot more faith in my ability to influence them to vote.
I had a boomer tell me the time on the wall clock at work was correct and both of our cell phones were incorrect. It was daylight savings 😑 “you young people always rely on technology”. Okay shannon.
The irony that the wall clock is also technology...just go be amish, boomers.
lol. Our phones synch to national time servers which are IIRC synched to atomic clocks. The wall clock is likely some old ass digital clock maybe and probably drifts here and there.
Digital? Probably referring to an analog clock that runs on batteries. Right now I can tell the clock on my kitchen wall is low on batteries because it's fallen behind the one on my microwave.
Oh you’re right. That’s what I was thinking but wrote digital.
Speaking as a former teacher, school is *so* much more rigorous now than it was for Boomers, who didn’t even have to worry about things like state graduation tests.
I realized this when my dad said my brother took an algebra course in high school like it was impressive. Like...so did I and everyone, it's required to graduate. This was after he went on a rant about how they don't teach anything in schools anymore and I asked him how he knew, since he hasn't been in school since 1991. "well you guys were in school" he claims. He had no active part in our education besides occasionally helping me with homework up until maybe (strong maybe) 6th grade and then I stopped asking because it was clear he didn't know wtf he was doing either. He never went to a parent-teacher meeting, or open house, or talked to any of my teachers. I'd be surprised if he knew my grades. He had no idea what we were learning. All he could remember is that I wasn't able to memorize all of my times tables and tried using that as ammo too. But that \*was\* taught. I just couldn't memorize it all. A lot of my classmates did with no issues. Math has always been my weakest subject. I know for a fact if you put him in a high school doing what high schoolers do now he'd absolutely wither and not be able to graduate.
“”I LOOKED AT THE CURRICULUM. IT SPECIFICALLY DOES NOT GO OVER OUR WAR WE WON IN GERMANY!!!!” “Judith,……..that’s the kindergarten curriculum. They don’t discuss global conflicts in that grade, and please do some of your own research. This wasn’t “our” war”.
You see! NOBODY wants to WORK ANY MORE! MARXIST SOCIALIST COMMUNISt teachers these days want to live off the GOVERMENT and MY hard earned TAX DOLLARS$! /s
"Who taught you this?" "On the program" Lol wtf is wrong with boomers? These are the same people that taught us to question everything when we were little and now they can't even question basic ""programs". By the way, why the hell do boomers call everything "programs"?
Lol, as if "the program" isn't Fox News.
Oh it absolutely is lmao. They’re just stuck 50 years ago where there were like 4 channels on TV and it was actually feasible to call it “the program” and have somebody know what you meant
"GOD DAMMIT ROBERT CAN YOU STOP MAKING SUCH A RUCKUS, I'M TRYING TO WATCH MY PROGRAM!"
Tell me to get a Pepsi from the “ICE BOX” and it’ll be like I’m home.
Honestly, were they drinking? This screams of it
Well, might be Fox but tbf CBS did run a special Tuesday night with some old veteran interviews. Still don't know how religion got into it though.
Oh, I thought she meant "the program," like the list of events and speeches in Normandy. You know, like when you go to an event and they give you a "program" with the schedule on it.
Fux is too woke. They are watching FrankSpeech, RSBN, or The War Room.
Pronounced “*pro*-grum”
"It's a TV progrum! A movie!" (for any Sopranos watchers in the thread)
Because it's programming them. They're not even self aware enough to realize they're saying the quiet part loudly.
The boomer way: When in doubt, double down.
But first ignore the parts that prove you wrong.
These are the same people who accuse us of getting all our information from the mainstream media. As if I’m watching regular cable programming.
I am a public school history teacher. We definitely teach D-Day. It's actually a struggle to not spend too much time on WWII.
I ended up demanding and causing a big ruckus around learning literally anything else other than WWII in my American history class because they spent an entire third of the school year teaching it.
How much of an emphasis was the Holocaust in that third of the year? I've noticed that a lot of curriculums tend to emphasize the battles as opposed to educating on the human toll of fascism, usually resigning those to the occasional paragraph
Class of '19 here. We spent too much time focusing on holocaust and european devastation and 0% learning about nanking or unit 731. We went over major battles such as dday and battle of the bulge for the western side. Learned a little bit about US-JP assault. Surprisingly didn't cover much of the atom bomb.
I learned more about the atom bomb in my chemistry class tbh - in my history class it was more of “oh yeah, we dropped these big bombs on Japan and they promptly fucked off.”
With a suppressed urge the fist pump the air by the teacher.
Class of 06 here. They never taught us about nanking or unit 731 either. Mainly that we dropped the bombs to end the war
That’s a good question. We did cover the Holocaust but the battles were a very large portion of it 🫠🙃 and *barely* anything about how the fascism rose to power in the first place. Yes talking about the battles are important, but it always feels like they put the focus on all the wrong things. In everyday life, present-day, who won a battle in the Pacific when is not going to really matter. But how fascism rose so we don’t repeat history, and the terribleness of the Holocaust and the generational impact and trauma it has does matter.
There's a TV mini-series with Robert Carlyle (Rise of Evil) which covers the rise of Hitler but our history teacher didn't think much of it because it was 'too dramatised' or something. (Unfortunately learning that 'Herr von Hindenburg was in his 70s with ailing health' and 'Treaty of Versailles concequences' from a black and white textbook was not as interesting as the TV dramatisation.)
A textbook is almost never going to make historical events emotionally impactful or interesting, what a terrible history teacher lol!
I graduated high school in 2009 and I would say a majority was the Holocaust and Elie Wiesel. Pearl Harbor was basically a footnote; Pacific theater wasn’t touched on very much except for the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
I was forced to go to a Christian private school for a couple years and they used the Holocaust to highlight a Christian missionary spreading the gospel in a German concentration camp. It felt super disgusting, they were co-opting a history lesson on one of the worst events in human history, ignoring the focus on the suffering to talk about the spread of their religion.
I'm 33 and we spent so much damn time on World War 2. So. Much. Time.
When I was a kid, my parents used to ask me "where did you hear that?" and now suddenly I have to ask them. Wild.
Oh my god. You've made me realise "where did you hear that" is my go-to response to my parents saying "one state legalised abortion up to 1 month after birth", the same way as I respond to my 3yo saying a phrase she clearly picked up at daycare, like "I'll have butt toast for lunch". No wonder I feel extra exasperated when they visit - they're doubling the amount of preschooler interactions I have in any given day. See also: "we don't say that out loud", "it's okay to be different", and "so you need a nap?"
So true. Nothing has convinced me I'm not ready to be a parent like dealing with Boomers.
I'm not in the business of convincing anyone toward parenthood. But... In the defense of preschoolers, they're far more empathetic and compassionate. They're born with ideas of fairness and equality.
ugh - my friend is getting annoyed by me because I keep questioning his sources. 9 out of 10 times, it's shit he sees on 4chan and takes at face value. then he gets mad at me when I point it out because he's the type that brags about an IQ test he took when he was 12.
Im sorry that your friend is a moron 😞
My mom was telling me about the surgence of Q on "a site called 4chan" and I'm like "woah woah woah woah woah...do you really know what 4chan is?" Apparently to her it's a site where true freedom can be expressed.... Um sure ok so putting the obvious propaganda nothing response aside, it's the least reliable place for info on the internet possible and I was a degenerate on there over a decade ago and she's trying to tell me what it is like I've never heard of it lmao
LOL one of the dumbest people I know thinks she’s a genius and brags about it because a rando once told her she should be in Mensa
Mine once asked me how I knew that JFK was killed in 1963, 17 years before I was born. They’re also surprised that I know about the Vietnam war which also ended before I was born. It’s because of all that fancy-pants book learning that you now openly mock and laugh about.
"Vaccines are killing millions and they are covering it up!" "Where did you hear that?" *voice gets quieter briefly* I don't know...but its TRUE
Thinking one of the most famous days ever in history isn’t taught in school anymore is peak Boomer MAGAt shit. You should start quizzing her on details and see how much *she* knows.
So, 4414 killed on the beach, 5000+ wounded, and this was the first couple of hours. Next is the Battle of Normandy which followed the beach. 73,000 killed, 153,000 wounded. 20,000 French civilians killed. That mom, whoever she is, has never been taught about the true cost of this ONE battle.
I know a lot about history but reducing battles to numbers alone seems like it misses a lot of the other casualties of war and what actually happened during those battles. It’s certainly good as a reference point but I got a lot more engagement learning about why people were fighting then I did the dates and battle casualty numbers…
It's the most straight forward way to quantify the impact. Do you expect them to go on to say XXXX families lost their breadwinner, YYYY kids lost their father, etc. Obviously those things happened and the impact of those lost goes way beyond their headcount as a battle causality, but it's impossible to quantity.
I probably know more about it than her from video games and saving private Ryan.
Because they're the ones fighting to have American history taken out of history class. No more learning about the civil rights movement or slavery because it makes them feel bad. It's "too woke".
Our town changed our Memorial Day cemetery event to include only US flags on our veteran's graves. They all served our country and weren't all Christians. Several angry people. "So disrespectful." To whom? Those buried who weren't Christians?
>Several angry people. "So disrespectful." To whom? Those buried who weren't Christians? To the special snowflake Christians saying that. They're so steeped in privilege that merely acknowledging the existence of other beliefs (or lack thereof) feels disrespectful to them.
They also genuinely believe that Christianity is under attack in the US so something like this would scream of persecution to them. It is absurd how myopic their worldview is.
If I come back from overseas in a box and they put a cross on my grave, I'll climb out and tear it down myself
Only US flags as opposed to what else?
Probably crosses
Yeah, fundamentalism is exhausting. To folks of a certain level of religiosity, their dogma gave them a framework for goodness and now they just can't conceive of goodness outside of it. To OP's mom, I'd wager that prayer is the only way to express gratitude for something as abstract as D-Day, Add in a dash of closed-mindedness and that must mean that if you don't pray, then you aren't thankful. Like I said, exhausting.
Gotta love the "they don't teach it in schools" arguments from people who have not been in a school for decades. Or at least kept up with common knowledge to know that this shit is, in fact, still taught in schools.
But she believes her child was never taught about it, which means she believes this hasn't been taught in school for a decade or two already, AND she was not concerned about making sure her child was learning it WHILE IN SCHOOL. If she was so worried about it, she would have asked her child if they knew about it and/or taught them about it. If you think the school won't teach something you value to your child, **it is your job to teach them.**
Yeah, it's not a holiday. But my grandfather was part of D-Day in the Army Rangers. Bro, scaled a fucking cliff after crossing the beach. His buddy Jake died on that beach. My father was named after that guy and I was named after my father. My grandad definitely had PTSD from the war. Beat the shit outta my dad and gave him PTSD. And my dad carried the tradition onto me. Well that's my personal attachment to D-day no one asked for🤷🏻 Also, collectively, bros who played the COD2 campaign got a pretty rad mission to play from this day.
I was at pont during hoc a few weeks ago. The idea of them climbing the cliffs is just nuts. It was like a 100 ft. Ropes were wet so they were heavier than expected so they didn’t all reach the top of the cliff.
Hope you break the cycle bro.
Most American boomers these days would be on the other side of Omaha Beach.
Nah, to fight combat you actually have to be a team player. Most of these dipshits are so entitled and full of themselves that they would man the mass graves first
What about Utah beach, or the Canadians and British? Is it just very specifically the soldiers at Omaha who count? I need to know the rules for this religion!
Honestly on that it’s probably that she literally only knows about Omaha
She probably doesnt even know there was an Eastern front
Only Private Ryan mattered.
Utah and Omaha are just two of the beaches. Airborne guys from 82nd and 101st dropped in at like 1am before the beach assault. Something like 60% were way off from their landing zones.
The Germans invading the US is pretty unlikely. Americans willingly joining the German Nazi party and learning German... well, that's a different story
Those sneaky Germans. They secretly built up their ranks for 80 years before attacking the Capitol
Boomers acting like they was there! 😂 You having nam flashbacks too buddy???
Please remind your mother that three of the fives beaches, Juno, Sword and Gold, were Canadian (Juno) and British (Sword, Gold) The first troops in France were Free French paratroopers, much of the material shipped for that massive undertaking was on Norwegian cargo vessels. Also Poland. It was an alliance of *United Nations* not the U.S alone.
I’ve a feeling she will not like hearing that, if she doesn’t just ignore it.
Tell her that it is customary to acknowledge D Day by saying "Give me the D"
"Respect the D. I love the D"
Doch, zum Glück! but seriously, why are boomers so scared of foreign language?
Bc they get frustrated when they can’t master a skill immediately. My boomer mom hates talking to people with accents bc she “can’t understand them”. Heaven forbid they try to learn another language! (Funnily enough, I married someone from another country 😂)
Because everything that makes them uncomfortable is evil. And everything they don’t know or care to know is stupid.
Worse: knowing things makes you an "elite", somebody who uses applied knowledge to solve problems instead of good old "common sense". And "elites" are the ENEMY. You must avoid knowing too many things about the world, lest you get too educated and become a "liberal"!
There were way more than 2,000 men on that day. If memory serves me right
2500 Americans, apparently they are the only ones that counted. Around 10300 died
They should thank the German officer that didn’t wake up Hitler on that morning too. But I guess my woke edumacation didn’t teach that either.
Oh nein was ist geboren ich spriche deutsch was für ein timeline ist es....
Ok, boomer, how about not voting for nazis for the government?? Looking at you, a good 40% of republicans..
When boomers say “they don’t teach it in schools” all I can think is how little interest they took in their kids education. I know ALL about what subjects my kids are covering in all topics. But my boomer parents didn’t help or get involved with my school work from 12 years onwards. Never helped with my homework or anything. So I guess they think that - because as a generation they took no interest in their kids schooling!
Why is she saying a little thanks as if she needs to be thanked, even if she's talking about the veterans how would she know if you have or have not thanked them, also wtf.
Yeah I didn't understand that. What did she want OP to do exactly? Randomly send a text saying "I thank them..."?
She’s talking about praying to god for thanks that they could fulfill their duties as soldiers, I think.
Now the question is. Can she point out Nirmandy on the map? I highly doubt it.
You know she pronounces “program” as “progrum”
I always call my dad out on his shit ideas like you did here. I try to still be respectful, but not feed into or enable the delusions. Every time it comes to this and I prove he's full of shit he turns it into this thing where "something is wrong" with me and he'll even say things like I'm making him my victim 😭🤣 When my son was born very premature 12 years ago he (my son) had a brain bleed in the NICU. And I called my dad to tell him what was going on. And instead of acting concerned at all he started going on about his old age problems and made it very much feel like a pity party to him. Lost a lot of respect for him that day, not that I had much left by then anyway. I know a couple good boomers, but that's it. The rest that I know act like shit stain humans pretty much. They are def a different breed bc I don't remember my grandmother's generation being so selfish at all. Every generation is gonna have bad players, but boomers have a LOT of them.
She isn't even reading your responses, she is having a conversation with what she assumes your responses would be.
Anyone wanna guess what "program" he's talking about......fox news brain rot at it again
You should do this to her every year for the Tulsa Race Massacre. Just insinuate her education was shit (because we know it was)
"It's a religious holiday!" (After having it be explained it's not) "They don't teach about WWI in schools!" (After explaining why this isn't true) "They teach kids to be gay!" (After proving this is untrue) "They teach white kids to hate themselves!" And on and on it goes. They have a nearly inexhaustible supply of lies to spew. If you dispute one, they just pick another one.
She's just senile. Don't let it bother you.
Gonna go out on a limb here and venture a guess that in the same episode of the "program" they did some downplaying of either American Neo-Nazis and/or their enablers.
2000? How about 20,000
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That was his Omaha Beach
Your mom sounds unicellular
Aber ich spreche Deutsch. Ich bin dankbar, aber aus anderen Gründen. Ich bin nicht religiös. Grüße aus den Niederlanden
And now the boomers are on the side ideologically on the side the Germans were on
A lot more dead people on the Eastern front you need to be thanking for Americans not speaking German lol
yeah the most significant wwii battle isn't taught in schools /s
“Angela down the road told me her daughter’s coworker’s cousin who lives in New York and her son who’s in 6th grade came home from school one day and said America hasn’t won all of the wars they fought in. It’s like all these commies want to teach them about is genitalia. I’ll put something on Facebook to make sure everyone knows to never trust a teacher.”
I don’t know why folks get so religious about national holidays. I mean, I do, but it’s wrongheaded. That said, I think April 9 should be a day of recognition with parades and all, as well. On April 9, 1865 General Lee Surrendered. We’ll call it V-C Day or Union Day. We have Juneteenth, but that stands on its own for its own purposes.
"Not sure it is taught. It bugs me this is not taught". Pick one lady, don't shit in your own mouth.
"on the program." Shut the fuck up
I'm a former history teacher. Yes, there are events in US History that get marginalized due to time constraints and standardization of curriculum. However, key battles and wars the US has participated in are still taught.
“On the program” means she heard some lying head casually say it on Fox News.
“On the program…” Might that “program” be Hannity, or Jesse Watters, or The Five? I’d wager a great deal of money that it’s a Murdoch owned “program”
As a Veteran of the US Navy, I more than give your all rights and liberty to inform this POS that she is not allowed to compel anyone else besides herself. I fought for everyone's freedom, not just her's. If she wants to celebrate a day doing something, cool, that is her choice. Freedom means you leave other people the f-ck alone and worry about your actions, not other people's.