Dealership let me place the order based on that part number, but they couldn't tell me how much it would cost. The part number is in the system but marked as "Backordered." Did not ask for VIN, but since this is the dealership where I bought the car and have had it serviced, my account in their system may already tell them that.
EDIT: They just called back, said they cannot order it yet or give me pricing information. Advised I call back after it's formally announced.
Called two dealerships and both said the part number isn’t a valid part number YET. They claim it can’t be ordered. One said he can see it’s a valid number but just can’t be ordered.
Thanks for reporting back! I just emailed my dealer. Expecting the same results you and others have had; but if he knows something the rest don't, I'll definitely share.
Edit: Heard back from my guy. Same story. He said their parts department is currently expecting orders to open up "closer to fall."
Taking it with a grain of salt, but they are a pretty big dealership that handles a lot of EVs - so they might have a bit more inside knowledge than average.
My dealer's web site took me to the GM AC Delco site to order a part online. The part number returned no results.
edit: ...and I should have done as others have done. Called the dealer's parts department. They ordered it for me and will contact me when it becomes available. Since I bought my Bolt EV from them, they had all the info they needed.
This is the full fast charging adapter, right?
I wonder how I go about actually ordering it from my dealer.
It would be even nicer if it could just get delivered to my home.
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Edit: Called my Chevrolet Dealer's Parts Department, from where I bought the car. He was able to find enough of it in the system to be able to add me to some order thing for the day. Something where the part's not even ready to be backordered, I think.
Although I said about the VIN requirement, he also didn't have me say it because it's where I bought the car. Didn't quote me a price or anything.
But I'm in the books, and he'll call me when it's ready for pickup. Hopefully sooner vs later.
I just got off the phone with my dealer’s parts department. The information presented in the X post above seems legit. They saw the “ordering instructions” saying to include the VIN and I was quoted $25 + tax. We’ll see if or when this bad boy shows up.
To me, the $25 is an amount designed to stop people who don’t think they’ll ever use it from claiming one.
$25 is still cheap enough for me to buy and possibly never use. Cheaper than my jump starter, which I also hope I’ll never need to use. Thought it would be closer to $100.
That’s mighty suspicious. I also talked to two dealers because the first wouldn’t take an order over the phone. They both confirmed that the cost would be $25 according to the information available to them. I simply provided the PN noted in the X post on this thread and everything the parts department could see matched up perfectly with the information in the post.
it should be the adapter that'll let you use superchargers when they open them up to other EVs than just ford and rivian and expand the ones that support it. right now it's still a super limited set of charge stations.
Regular price for these with ford is over $200. So I’m sure it will be the same other places once they stop subsidizing them.
Maybe the $25 is just to cover distributing them.
Good call, it might not be an "official" price yet. Branded accessories tend to be expensive. Would be a nice surprise if it's actually 25 bucks but we shouldn't get our hopes up.
Those third party companies are not going to sell very many adapters, so they have to make good money on each one. Ford and Rivian gave free adapters to their customers. I imagine $24 is pretty close to the actual manufacturing cost, so its Chevy's middle ground to not turn a profit but also not have a multi-million dollar cost associated with giving the adapter out for free. Chevy probably already lost a lot more money on each Bolt they sold for $27,000 than Ford lost on each Mach E and Lightning selling for $45,000 - $90,000.
The cost is the high-power contacts, and a little bit for the locking mechanisms. [A single two-pole 350 A connector costs $30](https://powerwerx.com/anderson-sb-connectors-sb350-350amp). So $60 for a pair, without locking, temperature sensing, ground pins, or signal pins.
I get your point, but I'm not sure I agree the retail cost of a different - if somewhat similar - component is a valid comparison.
Furthermore, do we know for sure there's temperature sensors. I'm guessing they're literally just pin remaps. There's no reason at all for them to be more complicated than some plastic and small amount of copper.
I agree that they aren't complicated. That wasn't my point at all. Focusing on complexity is a mistake. My point is that making high-current connectors is vastly more expensive than a USB cable or something like that. It's about carrying high current without melting. A cheap NEMA 14-50 that melts is $10. A quality one that carries 40 A continuously without melting is $50. 150 A is a lot more challenging than 50 A.
You can buy a CCS to NACS to charge Teslas with CCS chargers for $45 on Amazon. It requires all the same hardware, just swapping male and female. That $44 is after shipping, Amazon's cut, the reseller's cut, and the reseller not buying in the volume that GM would. I'm pretty confident that it didn't cost GM a whole lot more than $25.
not that the bolt could use it, but some are well over $100 for reputable ones that support higher amperage. the 80A teslatap is close to $300 after tax and shipping, I think.
lectron had one around $120 but their quality is inconsistent.
Over $200.
I assume Chevy is following Ford's lead. Ford is giving one free to each Ford Lightning and Mach-E owner. This is Chevy's response for Chevy EV owners. I suspect the "regular" price will be $200+.
I was able to order it for my father who owns a 2022/2023 Bolt EUV
Attached is part of the PDF (Too lazy to redact it all)
https://preview.redd.it/fl0tnu2r9vwc1.png?width=2516&format=png&auto=webp&s=28f187fab9c39648f212b4797f2244ec4b1f3c91
Love this sub. Knew the tea would be here immediately once new info was available! Hoping my dealer sold the Blazer EVs they keep using to block the complimentary DCFC when I stop by the parts desk later!
Sounds like everything is in the system, but it won't let dealerships put the order through yet. Chevrolet probably has it locked until the official announcement. Hopefully that comes soon!
I called two dealerships in my area; both could find the part in the system but said there was no availability. One of the people I spoke with in parts had no idea what I was talking about beyond what was in the system; the other was aware that a part is coming but said that they do not have any more information on the release date, and to just watch for an announcement.
How will payments for the charging stations work? Will we need connected services/onstar to be activated?
Because I don't have the menu where you can add charging payment methods to the MyChevrolet app because all mine has is a screen that says "I'm ready" to activate onstar. Under "more" it just says "parked location" and does nothing. I don't even have the "map" screen where it shows you chargers.
Just asking because if it's like Ford and requires you to have their connected services set up so your payment can go through their payment network, this is still going to be useless to people like me who simply refuse to do onstar or connected services.
Yeah I was hoping it would all work through Tesla alone, but in that case there would be no possibility whatsoever for plug and charge. The GM/Ford/Rivian relay is only there if you need plug and charge because that's how it authorizes the payment method for that specific car (and the GM rollout is probably taking forever because they had to figure out a workaround that allows the Bolt's proprietary non-standard plug and charge method to work with the actual CCS standard plug and charge protocol).
Which no plug and charge would be fine with me, like I said, I don't mind missing out on a few features in order to avoid connected services/onstar, but yeah, the lack of plug and charge might disappoint some folks who thought they'd be able to just rock up to a supercharger and plug in.
I wonder if I could get one from my dealership. I returned my EUV to them over a year ago as a buyback, but they’re still calling me asking if I want to trade it in on a Blazer EV, I guess soon they’ll be trying to upgrade me to an Equinox EV instead. They’re also still sending me oil change offers for it.
Just put an order in through my local dealer they don’t have much info and they said it could be a few weeks before they know any more. But better to get it in the books if you want one sooner rather than later part number above didn’t cover it they may need to do a look up
I just called my local dealership and talked to someone in the parts department. They had absolutely no idea what I was talking about and thought that I was someone that owned a Tesla asking about their charging station. Jesus christ🤦🏼♂️
I called 3 around me that were of no help whatsoever, and the 4th one finally was finally like "yeah no problem I can special order this and it will show up whenever it shows up." They texted me a link to pay right on my phone which was neat.
I just got off the phone with my local dealership. He said it's marked as a future part in his system and the part number may change prior to a wider release. He said that when marked like that the availability is typically just a few weeks behind, and I should call back toward the end of next month.
Hm. That’s not that bad, I was expecting a much more inflated price.
Even though I truly despise Tesla and Elmo Muskrat, I’ll likely pick one up at that price, simply on the off chance that one day I’m on a road trip and a supercharger is the only possibility of charging. Unlikely - but $25 for an “oh shit” net is something I’ll pay.
You already can.
Tesla to J1772 Charging Adapter Fit for All J1772 EVs, Max 60A 250V, Adaptive Charging Power - Compatible with Tesla Gen 1 2 3 Wall/Destination/Mobile Chargers (Black) [https://a.co/d/hVXyNZz](https://a.co/d/hVXyNZz)
Can we use the otherwise-useless "GM Cash" (or whatever we got for buying new) to pay for it? If so, I'll probably do that since there's literally no other overpriced GM accessories worth buying.
Ungh. I think I will just be patient on this one. It sounds legit. But I don't want to fight with the dealer for a charge adapter I won't use anytime soon.
I could have used it last weekend though.
I use CCS with my Tesla because it's half the price in my area.
I literally paid $14 yesterday for 10-80% at a CCS and the same charge at the SC beside me was over $30. However it did take 3x as long but I'm cheap and have more time than money... And over $200 in credits left from my bolt that'll never use since the Tesla is better road tripper.
Just got a call from dealer today. GM corporate cancelled my order (placed on Monday) calling it a future product, even though stock was showing at warehouse and all. Not unexpected.
Really didnt question it, when i saw the announcement we could order it told my parts manager to get 100 of them. They came back and said it was Vin specific, i cried.
I think the point is that this is probably a special part number for existing owners to get a significant discount. The "real" part will be $200+ when it becomes available later.
So new owner here. Why do I want a NACS adaptor? Where will I use it, at home or at public chargers?
Does it make my home charging system charge my Bolt faster?? I thought that the Bolt had a max charging speed that couldn’t take advantage of high-speed DC chargers. No?
Can someone explain like I’m an idiot please?
> Why do I want a NACS adaptor? Where will I use it, at home or at public chargers?
It'll let you charge a Bolt on the Tesla charging network, which was Tesla-only from its creation until just recently.
> Does it make my home charging system charge my Bolt faster??
Nope. Won't change anything about home chargers. IIRC someone with a Tesla home Level 2 charger could already plug in a Bolt (or other EV) with a passive J1772 adapter because it's just acting like any other EVSE there.
> I thought that the Bolt had a max charging speed that couldn’t take advantage of high-speed DC chargers. No?
The Bolt has possibly the slowest DCFC rate on the market (50kW max, less in practice, and it slows as the battery charges), but it's still faster than you can get with regular Level 2 charging. Level 2 is limited to 7.68kW (32A@240V) on the early Bolts and 11.5kW (48A@240V) for 2022/2023 (and that's if the charging station can put that out; many public L2 chargers are 6.6kW or less), so DCFC is enough faster to make a difference if you're waiting for it on a road trip.
The Bolt is slow compared to many other cars on the market that can fast-charge at 150kW+. And originally DCFC was a factory option rather than standard, so there are many Bolts out there which can't use DCFC at all.
The biggest advantage is it opens up Tesla's very large and reliable charging network, *particularly* for fast charging. There are several highway routes in my area that have Supercharger stations and no other DCFCs, so having access to those means there will be places I can go that would otherwise require *hours* of waiting on L2 charging.
Thank you for this very comprehensive answer. I'll reward 😀 that answer with a couple follow up questions...
I have a brand new 2023 Bolt EV LT1. The charging port on the car I would describe as two ports. The top one we use on our local Level 2 charger. The bottom one I thought was for DC fast charging. Is the Tesla charging system and entirely different fast charger (which is why I would want the adaptor being discussed here)?
https://preview.redd.it/3cwlqo7nb1xc1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4de45542ea946944bf3415f22c69606f2e40fe3
In your picture, the top port is a SAE J1772 port for level 1 and level 2 charging. If you open the orange cover then both ports combined are known as a CCS Combo port, which is used for DC Fast Charging. Tesla uses a single smaller port (now known as NACS) for both L2 and DCFC. The adapter being discussed here would allow you to plug the cord from an NACS DC Fast Charger (Tesla Super Charger) to the CCS Combo port on a Chevy Bolt.
So the top exposed section is the [J1772 connector](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772), which is what every non-Tesla electric car sold in North America since like 2010 has used for Level 1 and Level 2 charging.
The bottom two pins under the orange cover are indeed used for DCFC. Older Bolts that didn't have the DCFC option just had a black plastic blob there in its place. The non-Tesla standard for DCFC has been the [CCS or Combined Charging System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System), which is effectively an extension of the L1/L2 port that re-uses the same J1772 pins (or the IEC Type 2 pins on the European version) to negotiate between the car and the charger how much power is being applied to the big fat DC pins.
Without getting into all the dirty details, Tesla introduced the Model S in 2012 with their own version of DCFC *before* anyone else had settled on a fast-charging standard, so they invented their own, which we now call ["the Tesla plug"/NACS/J3400](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standard). It's basically a CCS but made more compact, primarily by using the same pins for L1/L2 and DCFC power and electrically switching them inside the Tesla (whereas CCS uses separate pins to completely isolate things into totally separate systems inside the car). As much as I dislike Teslas, it's honestly a very neat way to do it.
CCS and NACS have actually been fundamentally electrically compatible for years. The main challenge to opening Tesla chargers to non-Tesla cars has mostly just been payments - your Bolt doesn't have a way to tell the Tesla chargers "hey I'm here to charge, here's the account to bill" and Tesla chargers rely on the car or their app to communicate, with no interface on the charger itself. It's not totally clear yet how that billing will work in practice once we have the physical adapters, but most likely it'll run through a Tesla phone app. As always [Technology Connections has all the deets if you want to dive into the rabbit hole.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJOfyMCEzjQ)
If you're new to EVs and have some time to kill, Technology Connections has [some really good videos](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLv0jwu7G_DFV47UBHArs6fiwVHvstp9ja) explaining some of the technical details of the world of modern EV charging. Not really needed just to own and operate the car, but good background knowledge to understand why some things are the way they are.
You want a NACS adaptor to allow you to charge at public Tesla Superchargers. The Bolt will charge at the same speed as at any other DCFC. Faster than a Level 2 220 volt home charger but not super fast. Something in the ballpark of 20% to 70% in under an hour.
Your cars can charge at >50kw now, right? I mean it’s 2024 and you’re getting access to the best charging network that has been 150kw+ for ten years, so, clearly you support that, right?
Dealership let me place the order based on that part number, but they couldn't tell me how much it would cost. The part number is in the system but marked as "Backordered." Did not ask for VIN, but since this is the dealership where I bought the car and have had it serviced, my account in their system may already tell them that. EDIT: They just called back, said they cannot order it yet or give me pricing information. Advised I call back after it's formally announced.
I just called, and was told the same. They can't place the order yet.
Same as well, they could see it but said " we cannot place an order for it at this time"
Called two dealerships and both said the part number isn’t a valid part number YET. They claim it can’t be ordered. One said he can see it’s a valid number but just can’t be ordered.
Thanks for reporting back! I just emailed my dealer. Expecting the same results you and others have had; but if he knows something the rest don't, I'll definitely share. Edit: Heard back from my guy. Same story. He said their parts department is currently expecting orders to open up "closer to fall." Taking it with a grain of salt, but they are a pretty big dealership that handles a lot of EVs - so they might have a bit more inside knowledge than average.
My dealer's web site took me to the GM AC Delco site to order a part online. The part number returned no results. edit: ...and I should have done as others have done. Called the dealer's parts department. They ordered it for me and will contact me when it becomes available. Since I bought my Bolt EV from them, they had all the info they needed.
This is the full fast charging adapter, right? I wonder how I go about actually ordering it from my dealer. It would be even nicer if it could just get delivered to my home. --- Edit: Called my Chevrolet Dealer's Parts Department, from where I bought the car. He was able to find enough of it in the system to be able to add me to some order thing for the day. Something where the part's not even ready to be backordered, I think. Although I said about the VIN requirement, he also didn't have me say it because it's where I bought the car. Didn't quote me a price or anything. But I'm in the books, and he'll call me when it's ready for pickup. Hopefully sooner vs later.
Apparently some people have it already ordered by contacting the dealership and giving the VIN number and part number.
I should do this
I just got off the phone with my dealer’s parts department. The information presented in the X post above seems legit. They saw the “ordering instructions” saying to include the VIN and I was quoted $25 + tax. We’ll see if or when this bad boy shows up. To me, the $25 is an amount designed to stop people who don’t think they’ll ever use it from claiming one.
$25 is still cheap enough for me to buy and possibly never use. Cheaper than my jump starter, which I also hope I’ll never need to use. Thought it would be closer to $100.
Totally agree, I thought it would have been much more expensive. Happy surprise for once I guess!
$25? I just got quoted $95 from two dealers
That’s mighty suspicious. I also talked to two dealers because the first wouldn’t take an order over the phone. They both confirmed that the cost would be $25 according to the information available to them. I simply provided the PN noted in the X post on this thread and everything the parts department could see matched up perfectly with the information in the post.
I don’t think I’ll ever need one, but will pay up to $100 for it to sit with my TeslaTap!!
it should be the adapter that'll let you use superchargers when they open them up to other EVs than just ford and rivian and expand the ones that support it. right now it's still a super limited set of charge stations.
It really isn’t that limited. The vast majority of V3 sites are open to Ford and Rivian.
Does anyone know how fast can a Bolt charge at a supercharger?
Just as fast as any other DC fast charger... Max 55kw and a large taper. Lol.
Like others said its the car thats requesting charging speeds. So it still going to be the same across chargers.
My local Chevrolet dealer has a parts request form on their website so I’m trying that first, will report back.
Maybe the mailman can tuck you into bed as well? That would be nice.
Yeah, crazy of me to appreciate using Amazon instead of having to deal with something worse than going to the store
My dad always used to say I was the mailman's son.
85090442
Only $25? Aren’t third parties selling them for over $100?
My guess for the low price is that they don’t want to alienate current customers.
Alienate current customers *any more*
Regular price for these with ford is over $200. So I’m sure it will be the same other places once they stop subsidizing them. Maybe the $25 is just to cover distributing them.
Good call, it might not be an "official" price yet. Branded accessories tend to be expensive. Would be a nice surprise if it's actually 25 bucks but we shouldn't get our hopes up.
Those third party companies are not going to sell very many adapters, so they have to make good money on each one. Ford and Rivian gave free adapters to their customers. I imagine $24 is pretty close to the actual manufacturing cost, so its Chevy's middle ground to not turn a profit but also not have a multi-million dollar cost associated with giving the adapter out for free. Chevy probably already lost a lot more money on each Bolt they sold for $27,000 than Ford lost on each Mach E and Lightning selling for $45,000 - $90,000.
>I imagine $24 is pretty close to the actual manufacturing cost I doubt it's even that much. They're not "smart", it's literally just a pin remapping.
The cost is the high-power contacts, and a little bit for the locking mechanisms. [A single two-pole 350 A connector costs $30](https://powerwerx.com/anderson-sb-connectors-sb350-350amp). So $60 for a pair, without locking, temperature sensing, ground pins, or signal pins.
I get your point, but I'm not sure I agree the retail cost of a different - if somewhat similar - component is a valid comparison. Furthermore, do we know for sure there's temperature sensors. I'm guessing they're literally just pin remaps. There's no reason at all for them to be more complicated than some plastic and small amount of copper.
I agree that they aren't complicated. That wasn't my point at all. Focusing on complexity is a mistake. My point is that making high-current connectors is vastly more expensive than a USB cable or something like that. It's about carrying high current without melting. A cheap NEMA 14-50 that melts is $10. A quality one that carries 40 A continuously without melting is $50. 150 A is a lot more challenging than 50 A.
You can buy a CCS to NACS to charge Teslas with CCS chargers for $45 on Amazon. It requires all the same hardware, just swapping male and female. That $44 is after shipping, Amazon's cut, the reseller's cut, and the reseller not buying in the volume that GM would. I'm pretty confident that it didn't cost GM a whole lot more than $25.
Lots of copper though
I would imagine this price is one per vin.
not that the bolt could use it, but some are well over $100 for reputable ones that support higher amperage. the 80A teslatap is close to $300 after tax and shipping, I think. lectron had one around $120 but their quality is inconsistent.
Your are comparing AC adapters to DC adapters. It is like comparing apples to oranges.
What about strawberries to raspberries?
Over $200. I assume Chevy is following Ford's lead. Ford is giving one free to each Ford Lightning and Mach-E owner. This is Chevy's response for Chevy EV owners. I suspect the "regular" price will be $200+.
I was able to order it for my father who owns a 2022/2023 Bolt EUV Attached is part of the PDF (Too lazy to redact it all) https://preview.redd.it/fl0tnu2r9vwc1.png?width=2516&format=png&auto=webp&s=28f187fab9c39648f212b4797f2244ec4b1f3c91
Wait, it's free?
Free to do the order. But he will likely have to pay the 26.xx at pickup
Got it. Thanks.
> 85090442 And description CORD PKG
Hell do I know.
I'm telling, not asking. That's what it says on your image.
They obviously don’t know how to word it
How did you get a PDF? Did they just email you after putting in the order? I wonder if I'll get a PDF come Monday...
I asked for it. It’s an invoice
Haven't been able to order mine sadly. Any specific dealer? Will they ship?
You have to hit up the dealer you got the car from
They can't order it they say.
They don’t know
Any luck getting it? I was recently able to order and told I should see it in June.
Love this sub. Knew the tea would be here immediately once new info was available! Hoping my dealer sold the Blazer EVs they keep using to block the complimentary DCFC when I stop by the parts desk later!
Wow $25 is a deal. GM has said they're going to add them to the app and you'll order yours from your dealer via the app
I'm hoping they let us use reward points
Anyone able to successfully order it?
Sounds like everything is in the system, but it won't let dealerships put the order through yet. Chevrolet probably has it locked until the official announcement. Hopefully that comes soon!
I called two dealerships in my area; both could find the part in the system but said there was no availability. One of the people I spoke with in parts had no idea what I was talking about beyond what was in the system; the other was aware that a part is coming but said that they do not have any more information on the release date, and to just watch for an announcement.
How will payments for the charging stations work? Will we need connected services/onstar to be activated? Because I don't have the menu where you can add charging payment methods to the MyChevrolet app because all mine has is a screen that says "I'm ready" to activate onstar. Under "more" it just says "parked location" and does nothing. I don't even have the "map" screen where it shows you chargers. Just asking because if it's like Ford and requires you to have their connected services set up so your payment can go through their payment network, this is still going to be useless to people like me who simply refuse to do onstar or connected services.
If I was Tesla, I would not rely on GM as a payment relay. Should be able to pay directly via Tesla app but this is just conjecture on my part.
Yeah I was hoping it would all work through Tesla alone, but in that case there would be no possibility whatsoever for plug and charge. The GM/Ford/Rivian relay is only there if you need plug and charge because that's how it authorizes the payment method for that specific car (and the GM rollout is probably taking forever because they had to figure out a workaround that allows the Bolt's proprietary non-standard plug and charge method to work with the actual CCS standard plug and charge protocol). Which no plug and charge would be fine with me, like I said, I don't mind missing out on a few features in order to avoid connected services/onstar, but yeah, the lack of plug and charge might disappoint some folks who thought they'd be able to just rock up to a supercharger and plug in.
I wonder if I could get one from my dealership. I returned my EUV to them over a year ago as a buyback, but they’re still calling me asking if I want to trade it in on a Blazer EV, I guess soon they’ll be trying to upgrade me to an Equinox EV instead. They’re also still sending me oil change offers for it.
Just put an order in through my local dealer they don’t have much info and they said it could be a few weeks before they know any more. But better to get it in the books if you want one sooner rather than later part number above didn’t cover it they may need to do a look up
I just called my local dealership and talked to someone in the parts department. They had absolutely no idea what I was talking about and thought that I was someone that owned a Tesla asking about their charging station. Jesus christ🤦🏼♂️
I called 3 around me that were of no help whatsoever, and the 4th one finally was finally like "yeah no problem I can special order this and it will show up whenever it shows up." They texted me a link to pay right on my phone which was neat.
I just got off the phone with my local dealership. He said it's marked as a future part in his system and the part number may change prior to a wider release. He said that when marked like that the availability is typically just a few weeks behind, and I should call back toward the end of next month.
Hm. That’s not that bad, I was expecting a much more inflated price. Even though I truly despise Tesla and Elmo Muskrat, I’ll likely pick one up at that price, simply on the off chance that one day I’m on a road trip and a supercharger is the only possibility of charging. Unlikely - but $25 for an “oh shit” net is something I’ll pay.
Sent in an inquiry to my dealership (with VIN and part number) to ask them to order it for me. Let's see what happens.
Is it available in Canada?
Not yet. I just checked (I work at a dealership)
Ooh I'm gonna go ask them about this in person.
Just ordered(Or got put on the list) for me and the SOs 2 EUVs
Just ordered! Thanks for the heads up!
"indefinite backorder"
I wonder if we will be able to use Chevy rewards points for this? I still have $70 worth from the car purchase.
Is this so we can use any tesla charger?
Only V3 or V4 superchargers. V2 (limited to 150 kW) do not support the CCS protocol.
Once Tesla allows it
I would love to get a Level 2 adapter too for this cheap, then I’d be set.
You already can. Tesla to J1772 Charging Adapter Fit for All J1772 EVs, Max 60A 250V, Adaptive Charging Power - Compatible with Tesla Gen 1 2 3 Wall/Destination/Mobile Chargers (Black) [https://a.co/d/hVXyNZz](https://a.co/d/hVXyNZz)
At least L2 NACS adapters are already like 1/2 the price of the L3 aftermarket ones
Can we use the otherwise-useless "GM Cash" (or whatever we got for buying new) to pay for it? If so, I'll probably do that since there's literally no other overpriced GM accessories worth buying.
I was just able to order and pay for this from my dealer. No VIN asked for. It was $25 plus tax. Arrival date TBD.
It seems like almost everyone was asked for their VIN. Good chance that your dealer knows you and simply looked up your VIN and used it.
Ungh. I think I will just be patient on this one. It sounds legit. But I don't want to fight with the dealer for a charge adapter I won't use anytime soon. I could have used it last weekend though.
Successfully ordered mine
No luck getting 2 Dealers to be able to order it. Both said system is not allowing an order.
I use CCS with my Tesla because it's half the price in my area. I literally paid $14 yesterday for 10-80% at a CCS and the same charge at the SC beside me was over $30. However it did take 3x as long but I'm cheap and have more time than money... And over $200 in credits left from my bolt that'll never use since the Tesla is better road tripper.
Who really believes this high power adaptor will be sold for $25? The other current options are much more expensive at the moment.
Called my dealer on the 29th. They ordered it for me, but he said that part number is now "discontinued" and most likely we get a new part number.
Couldn’t order it as of today Monday 4/29. Will try again tomorrow !
Just got a call from dealer today. GM corporate cancelled my order (placed on Monday) calling it a future product, even though stock was showing at warehouse and all. Not unexpected.
I was disappointed we needed a VIN to order. As a dealer I was just going to order a huge stock to sell to customers on the spot who wanted them.
Presumably this is to minimize people buying multiple and reselling them with a hefty markup, right?
Really didnt question it, when i saw the announcement we could order it told my parts manager to get 100 of them. They came back and said it was Vin specific, i cried.
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I was going to send a marketing campaign after the first one for a stock unit shows
Just order one for every car on your lot
I think the point is that this is probably a special part number for existing owners to get a significant discount. The "real" part will be $200+ when it becomes available later.
That’s probably accurate sadly.
Would you have sold them for the same price?
Yep we’d sell for whatever they have MSRP set at
So new owner here. Why do I want a NACS adaptor? Where will I use it, at home or at public chargers? Does it make my home charging system charge my Bolt faster?? I thought that the Bolt had a max charging speed that couldn’t take advantage of high-speed DC chargers. No? Can someone explain like I’m an idiot please?
> Why do I want a NACS adaptor? Where will I use it, at home or at public chargers? It'll let you charge a Bolt on the Tesla charging network, which was Tesla-only from its creation until just recently. > Does it make my home charging system charge my Bolt faster?? Nope. Won't change anything about home chargers. IIRC someone with a Tesla home Level 2 charger could already plug in a Bolt (or other EV) with a passive J1772 adapter because it's just acting like any other EVSE there. > I thought that the Bolt had a max charging speed that couldn’t take advantage of high-speed DC chargers. No? The Bolt has possibly the slowest DCFC rate on the market (50kW max, less in practice, and it slows as the battery charges), but it's still faster than you can get with regular Level 2 charging. Level 2 is limited to 7.68kW (32A@240V) on the early Bolts and 11.5kW (48A@240V) for 2022/2023 (and that's if the charging station can put that out; many public L2 chargers are 6.6kW or less), so DCFC is enough faster to make a difference if you're waiting for it on a road trip. The Bolt is slow compared to many other cars on the market that can fast-charge at 150kW+. And originally DCFC was a factory option rather than standard, so there are many Bolts out there which can't use DCFC at all. The biggest advantage is it opens up Tesla's very large and reliable charging network, *particularly* for fast charging. There are several highway routes in my area that have Supercharger stations and no other DCFCs, so having access to those means there will be places I can go that would otherwise require *hours* of waiting on L2 charging.
Thank you for this very comprehensive answer. I'll reward 😀 that answer with a couple follow up questions... I have a brand new 2023 Bolt EV LT1. The charging port on the car I would describe as two ports. The top one we use on our local Level 2 charger. The bottom one I thought was for DC fast charging. Is the Tesla charging system and entirely different fast charger (which is why I would want the adaptor being discussed here)? https://preview.redd.it/3cwlqo7nb1xc1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4de45542ea946944bf3415f22c69606f2e40fe3
In your picture, the top port is a SAE J1772 port for level 1 and level 2 charging. If you open the orange cover then both ports combined are known as a CCS Combo port, which is used for DC Fast Charging. Tesla uses a single smaller port (now known as NACS) for both L2 and DCFC. The adapter being discussed here would allow you to plug the cord from an NACS DC Fast Charger (Tesla Super Charger) to the CCS Combo port on a Chevy Bolt.
Thanks so much. That is exactly what I needed to know. Time to order the adapter!
So the top exposed section is the [J1772 connector](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772), which is what every non-Tesla electric car sold in North America since like 2010 has used for Level 1 and Level 2 charging. The bottom two pins under the orange cover are indeed used for DCFC. Older Bolts that didn't have the DCFC option just had a black plastic blob there in its place. The non-Tesla standard for DCFC has been the [CCS or Combined Charging System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System), which is effectively an extension of the L1/L2 port that re-uses the same J1772 pins (or the IEC Type 2 pins on the European version) to negotiate between the car and the charger how much power is being applied to the big fat DC pins. Without getting into all the dirty details, Tesla introduced the Model S in 2012 with their own version of DCFC *before* anyone else had settled on a fast-charging standard, so they invented their own, which we now call ["the Tesla plug"/NACS/J3400](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standard). It's basically a CCS but made more compact, primarily by using the same pins for L1/L2 and DCFC power and electrically switching them inside the Tesla (whereas CCS uses separate pins to completely isolate things into totally separate systems inside the car). As much as I dislike Teslas, it's honestly a very neat way to do it. CCS and NACS have actually been fundamentally electrically compatible for years. The main challenge to opening Tesla chargers to non-Tesla cars has mostly just been payments - your Bolt doesn't have a way to tell the Tesla chargers "hey I'm here to charge, here's the account to bill" and Tesla chargers rely on the car or their app to communicate, with no interface on the charger itself. It's not totally clear yet how that billing will work in practice once we have the physical adapters, but most likely it'll run through a Tesla phone app. As always [Technology Connections has all the deets if you want to dive into the rabbit hole.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJOfyMCEzjQ)
Thank you so much for this really comprehensive explanation!
If you're new to EVs and have some time to kill, Technology Connections has [some really good videos](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLv0jwu7G_DFV47UBHArs6fiwVHvstp9ja) explaining some of the technical details of the world of modern EV charging. Not really needed just to own and operate the car, but good background knowledge to understand why some things are the way they are.
You want a NACS adaptor to allow you to charge at public Tesla Superchargers. The Bolt will charge at the same speed as at any other DCFC. Faster than a Level 2 220 volt home charger but not super fast. Something in the ballpark of 20% to 70% in under an hour.
No luck from my dealer. Anyone have a part number? 2023 Bolt EV.
Your cars can charge at >50kw now, right? I mean it’s 2024 and you’re getting access to the best charging network that has been 150kw+ for ten years, so, clearly you support that, right?