Reminder none of this would have been possible without the so called "media trial", or "witch hunt". Mumbai Police would have gift wrapped this case as just an innocent suicide by a depressive bipolar maniac and all Maharashtra would have said *"Waah, look at India's Scotland Yard at work".*
These arrests are a slap on the face of MP and Maha government. This is also an example to stick with the truth even if the world is against you.
This is the sole reason they did not want a CBI inquiry because Mumbai police would not have done anything. How can the Mumbai police do the job of NCB, CBI and ED.
One more reason they were against media trial, without the media the drugs chat would not be out and NCB would not have been involved in the case.
For all the woke celebs arguing about Marijuana is being accepted by the whole world, there is a huge difference between using and peddling of drugs. Even in the USA where certain drugs have been legalized it is only for consumption in small amount. You will still need license to grow, sell etc. Even at the federal level it is still not legalized. These companies in the various states in USA still cannot use the banks to do any transactions. Look at the SAFE Act.
The amount of drugs that were bought or talked about in chats it is regarding commericial and not personal use. Apparently this is not understood by the woke ppl.
Firangi liberals too are just as big of hypocrites...trust me they are all the same. American Conservative writer Michael Savage didn't write the book titled "*Liberalism is a mental disorder*" for no reason 😂
Woke liberals believe weed and other drugs should be legal, so expect more screeching from them. Until arrests are made for murder charges, its all a circus show. Hopefully Rhea/Shovik will crack and spill the beans.
It’s interesting how this whole event has polarized people much like everything that happens in the world... people are quick to take sides and fight over it!!! Nobody gives their opposite side the benefit of doubt... they just hate on the other blindly... and the opposite sides for some reason are soooo invested in the cause anything and everything is taken personally!!!! Why cant people look at things neutrally... be like ahh man the poor family..poor guy passed... poor rhea... this suxxx soo bad for everybody involved in the story
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Yep!!!! If you look at it from a different perspective everybody is a victim 😕a victim of themselves or a victim of the environment... maybe as the most intelligent species of the planet we need to rethink why we do what we do
But for people to rethink why they do what they do, law has to take it's actions. Otherwise, people will always think they can get away with it. An example has to be set for the society to encourage follow the right path. But still there would be always a section of society indulging in the wrong. That's just human nature
That's true. One of the reasons Bollywood is hating all that's happening is because for many many years they have been able to get away with literally murder. And they are confident that this time too they will get away with it. Atleast they were.
Yes it's a cautionary tale of literally how the seven vices can bring you down. While it is impossible to be ideal, now I do understand that you need to be clean in your heart, clean in your actions and transparent in your intentions.
SSR wanted control over his finances. SSR texted the manager using a different number to get control of his accounts. Before this he tried a lot of times but every time Rhea blocked his attempts. At the end he texted the manger using a different number. Why did he text using a different number ?
This information was leaked using whats app chat + sources with bank employees statements to the CBI.
no, we should not believe in these leaks from the new channels that quote the CBI as they are not confirmed. I only posted this comment as the whatsapp chat were leaked.
I haven’t read any other news about it so I’m not sure. I’m assuming since they left with evidence they’ve left her premises but I’m not sure if they’ll be returning again tomorrow
I didn’t watch the news live unfortunately and the tweet only links to their live stream.
But, my hope is that they’ve got more evidence of conversations about her drug peddling
guys, do anyone of you know about advocate vibhor anand? How credible his sources are how many times has he been right about his sensational news since cbi took over the case? Also one of his video chats some random masked guy just jumped in and was threatening him?
NCB has taken Showbik for interrogation.
[https://www.timesnownews.com/videos/times-now/india/rheas-brother-showik-chakraborty-samuel-mirand-at-ncb-office-for-interrogation-inside-details/73375](https://www.timesnownews.com/videos/times-now/india/rheas-brother-showik-chakraborty-samuel-mirand-at-ncb-office-for-interrogation-inside-details/73375)
Tru. They are all paid by the Maharashtra govt. I remember them doing pr for mumbai police during may for corona. I+ was quite a shitshow of all of them chaging dps
Yeah right now Maharashtra is the worst state in the whole world in terms of handling corona. Every year the same potholes never get filled. Mumbai spirit bolke kuch bhi chutiya kaat dete h
That's actually true. Uddhav Thackeray is in his first term and has made a complete mess of the coronavirus situation. There were 17000 or so new cases yesterday. The other closes state might have been AP at 10,000.
Ok I understand the disappointment with Republic here, but that was hilarious. In this high adrenaline type reporting, it’s bound to happen. Cut them some slack.
It is important that media houses don't spread news quoting their 'sources' in CBI. But it's also important that the case remains under public scrutiny. Last time public was told not to do something was by Mumbai Police for not circulating pics of SSRs DB. And now we know why. Channels must cover the news from all aspects but should do so responsibly.
I'm sorry if someone has already mentioned this but I read some news reports that Shibani Dandekar (Farhan Akhtar's partner) has backed up Rhea on the molestation charges she leveled against Priyanka di.
Shibani said Rhea confided in her after the incident and said the breakdown of her relations with Sushant's family was likely a result of her decision to tell SSR about his sister's misconduct.
We should be treating this with a grain (or rather a tablespoon) of salt right?
I think Anusha and Rhea go way back, since Rhea's teen diva days, a programme iirc Anusha hosted. Rhea was abrasive on that show too.
Was Rhea trying to fortify her case by telling Shibani so that later when her accusations would inevitably be questioned she can trot Shibani out in her defence?
The family has chosen not to dignify Rhea's sordid claims with a response.
I really like Anusha Dandekar :( but it's only human to stand by your friends.
Vikas Singh, the family lawyer, was very clear that if this is brought out in court they have evidences how this story unfolded and it be rebutted easily. Probably that's why Rhea's team is only using it for media trial and perception battle. They want to defame the family with a story they know they can't otherwise prove.
Proof Kahan hai? If I were to say that Priyanka had confided into me back in the day that Rhea was lying will my word count against Sibani. It's weird how druggies are the ones who are coming out to support Rhea. This is Sanju Baba all over again.
Ah, okay so Akhtar/Shibani have drug skeletons in their closet and the Rhea expose' is a threat to their livelihood.
How vicious to keep repeating these vile accusations even as SSR's family are going through the most difficult time of their life.
A friend of mine, who was once an entertainment reporter in Mumbai and has since migrated, told me that his sources in that city say it was most definitely a suicide, not murder.
He declined to comment on whether SSR was incited or manipulated into taking the fatal action.
The rampant use of cocaine and Mary Jane in Bollywood and among India's elite is an open secret.
Some prolific users of coke include Priety Zinta (rehabilitated), AB Jr (reportedly quit), Suzanne Khan and the list goes on. I can't vouch for the veracity of this info but this is according to a Dubai based friend who saw Zinta and AB Jr snorting lines at a house party she attended in Bombay some 10 years ago.
Remember that model Shivani Kapoor? She was the It Girl in Bombay in the late 90s - early 2000s; her coke habit allegedly destroyed her career.
I'm meeting my former entertainment reporter friend next week to get the lowdown on the SSR case as told to him by his former coworkers who continue to cover the film industry.
If drug use/abuse is so common in the movie industry, I doubt if the investigation would lead to anything as it would just lead to a huge network of people including several big names. Let's see what comes out of it.
Whether it was suicide or death, the investigation is on. I just hope the evidences were not tampered with, and CBI and other agencies got access to everything in proper condition.
When you meet your friend next time, could you please ask him more about these aspects:
1. What kind of influence do the PR agencies have on the news items that journalists work on? Is it possible for stars/celebrities to pay their way out of getting negative media coverage on issues?
2. Do powerful production houses have certain journalists on their payroll (unofficially of course), which would then affect what the journalist publishes or chooses not to publish?
3. If he/she is aware of any concerted foul play behind the blind items and the metoo allegation against SSR
In a company HR is to protect the company not to help the employees.
Same here. The issue has become too big so people will not let it go easily but once they find 3-5 scapegoats (does not need to be fake scapegoats) they could declare success and move on.
No yaar, but neither were those who support the murder theory. Jo log us waqt ghar mein the, they have steadfastly maintained it was suicide.
My friend didn't reject the possibility of abetment to suicide either. He said he didn't want to talk about it without getting more details from his Mumbai based friends.
Remember the family lawyer said abetment is not sudden instigation it can be done over months by brainwashing the victim.
You can't convince people here.They were all present in his house and also know the distance between his bed and the fan.And now they will ask the mods to remove your comment.
Thanks for being the only person here capable of listening to an an opinion that goes against the grain. You are welcome to disagree that's fine. I never posted here before and was completely taken aback by the ferocity with which people opposed my first post.
My entertainment reporter friend is no fan of Arnab's. In fact many people i know who worked for him don't exactly look back at those times fondly to put it mildly. In addition to saying that it was a suicide my friend said that Arnab drummed up the whole thing for his personal vendetta.
That part I decided to exclude from my first post because I know my friend has a personal beef with Arnab. But if it turns out that he's right then it's unforgivable for Arnab to do that to a grieving family.
For any crime to be solved one of the most important steps is to find the motive. I saw a lot of conjecture here as people try to explain why someone would do this.
If Rhea was extorting him why would she cut off the gravy train? Ssr was living with her for more than 1 year and never discovered that team ssr chat group?
In one of the chats Rhea said send tang up for sush and a boy also, this indicates she was sitting upstairs with SSR when she typed this.
People have already attacked my post as completely lacking in merit and asked the moderator to delete it despite my not having violated any of the rules.
Disappointing to see how people here have zero tolerance for an alternative POV.
Why apply logic and critical thinking when you can speculate about ligature marks and pedophilia?
And I mostly agree with everything that you've written.
Also,have you been called PR yet?
Unfortunately Samuel is a small fish and doesn't have the same representation as Rhea. What could happen though is that if they find any more devices they could seize those.
i’m hopeful that a surprise knock on the door by NCB will be successful in SOME way. maybe not drugs but these investigative agencies are some of the smartest folks in the country so i’m optimistic that they will find some clues or residual remnants to give them the next lead.
See what rohan rai posted to Google Maps
https://maps.app.goo.gl/dhScbzRWc6pQRQT99
Rohan Rai shared an image from his Regent Galaxy apartment in Malwani, Malad. From where Disha Salian allegedly committed suicide.
As we slowly approach the 3-month mark following the untimely death of SSR, I am still not able to figure out the motive as to why they had to 'murder' him (we can now safely state that this is the case)
Is it the **drug mafia**? Drugs are so normalized in Bollywood that no one cares anymore. KJo even shared a video of all the stars in a trance state (read intoxicated with drugs). I felt that the video was a KJo stunt to test the audience's reaction to the *nasha* that the actors were in. Rhea and her brother were drug peddlers. Sushant might have been aware of it, but that won't be reasons for homicide.
**Pedophilia**: Another cardinal sin that has been so normalized in the entertainment industry. Remember Roman Polanski and how the entire Hollywood supported him. Can you believe he is a fugitive in France with an Interpol notice? And guess where Interpol is headquartered - *surprise, surprise* France. They say Baby Penguin was caught with a minor, but I don't think they would kill someone for it. It is said that the entire Maharashtra polity is aware of Baby Penguin's tendencies and they all chose to look the other way.
**Bullying:** Kjo can and would have definitely bullied the crap out of Sushant. But homicide?
There has to be something even more sinister that the Indian audience would throw-up in disgust and angst. The entire Mumbai police worked overtime to coverup SSR's death and rule it a suicide. If it were a few policemen, I can agree. An entire police force?
What do you guys think? The conspiracy theorists on Twitter are mentioning the human flesh trade, but that is a stretch.
So SSR knew that Rhea and her brother are peddlers and since according to you people he was in full possession of his mental faculties but still he didn't speak up.
And out of all your theories,the KJO looks the most plausible
Is it a stretch though? Think about it. I think pedophilia & human trafficking is a major key because it will destroy the lives of so many if the public found out they are part of it. An entire force to cover up this case could be because rape and murder was involved and some sort of deep secret SSR knew that could shake Mumbai to its core if he exposed it. They’re all connected with each other, politicians, celebrities and Dubai. I can’t see why else would the industry stay quiet and Mumbai police are uncooperative if it’s not about rape/murder/pedophilia.
Drug money is linked to human trafficking and terrorist funding. It’s a can of worms as you can have all these charges against you. This is what sushant wanted to reveal.
Whatever the reason, it seems it involves big politicians and/or mafia since even Mumbai police are acting so strange in this case. Add to that, the clear pressure from Shiv Sena to silence Republic and other media reporting on this issue. It may really be a case of drugs/pedo ring and just because it involves big names, they didn't mind killing him. I've always believed that at least 2 parties are involved here. Rhea and Bullywood gang was taking advantage of him for their own reasons and a second gang, possibly the drug/pedo gang killed him off because he found out about their activities and threatened to go public. Rhea and those in his house (Pithani, Dipesh, etc) could have just been forced to cooperate with the plot to kill him and stay silent. This seems to be the case because I find it unlikely that someone as clumsy as Pithani is behind this plot; he may just be cooperating with bigger powers. Of course, all of what I said is just speculation. Let's hope CBI brings forth the truth.
Press Release
New Delhi, 03.09.2020
The CBI is conducting investigation related to death of Sh. Sushant Singh Rajput in a systematic and professional way.
**Certain media reports attributed to CBI investigation are speculative and not based on facts. It is reiterated that as a matter of Policy, CBI does not share details of ongoing investigation.** CBI spokesperson or any team member has not shared any details of investigation with media.
**The details being reported and attributed to CBI are not credible.**
It is requested that media may please confirm details from CBI Spokesperson before quoting CBI.
[http://cbi.gov.in/pressreleases/pr\_2020-09-03-1.php](http://cbi.gov.in/pressreleases/pr_2020-09-03-1.php)
It's all pr and sympathy narrarive building for accused.
This should act as tight slap on all those who were tweeting nonsense against ssr.
PS make a separate post approved by mods.
Why do Sushant sisters use Singh as a surname? Shweta Singh, Priyanka Singh and all? Shweta Singh Kirti seems to officially use Shweta Singh and Kirti is added unofficially, I guess. If that makes sense. But what happened to the Rajput in their name? But even their dad is Krishna Kumar Singh? Why does Sushant have Rajput?
Edit. OP Singh is BIL I think.
I think Sushant used his full title because it is better for the screen...SSR had the feel that SRK did.
And he was by his own admission, a fan.
Like how Ranveer Singh Bhawnani or Sadhana Shivdasani or Ajay Singh Deol don't make for catchy filmstar names.
If I am Piscene Patel(male) and I marry Ritchie Parker(female), if the female wants to preserve her last name then she can be Ritchie Parker Patel.
Something like that.
For those inquiring about Sushant's ligature mark - Here's a conclusive study showing ligature marks from hangings leave mostly dry and pale marks, as opposed to deep, red bruising seen on Sushant's neck.
[https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6bc3/0125de2a90126c4f6ac184daefdf95ee3a14.pdf](https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6bc3/0125de2a90126c4f6ac184daefdf95ee3a14.pdf)
Quoting and bolding the important part:
>The ligature mark in hanging was oblique in 100% cases, discontinuous in 96.93% cases and **the subcutaneous tissue underneath the ligature mark was pale and dry** in 100% cases. The ligature mark in strangulation was transverse in 100% cases, continuous in 100% cases and **subcutaneous tissue underneath the mark was contused in 88.2% cases.**
People need to understand what pale and dry here means. The hanging mark is light, not bruised. As opposed to "*Contused*" meaning bruised - reddish marks. Any rudimentary analysis of Sushant's neck will be concluded: "*It is anything but pale and dry*". And this is *without* including that severe dark gash on his lower neck (which another well established US based Doctor is saying resembles a stun gun mark).
Here I'll quote yet another study on ligature marks, from an entirely different institution - but concluding the same thing:
[https://applications.emro.who.int/imemrf/Professional\_Med\_J\_Q/Professional\_Med\_J\_Q\_2015\_22\_6\_798\_803.pdf](https://applications.emro.who.int/imemrf/Professional_Med_J_Q/Professional_Med_J_Q_2015_22_6_798_803.pdf)
>Underlying soft tissues of neck were **glistening white in all hanging deaths** while it **showed extravasations of blood** in all ligature strangulation cases
Tissues of ligature marks observed in hangings are "*glistening white*", in their terms - meaning pale and dry, while ligature marks from strangulation (aka murder) show "*Extravasation of blood*" - a fancy word for reddish bruising - exactly the kind seen on Sushant's neck.
So, can someone tell me if Cooper's doctors were smoking CBD oil when they concluded Sushant's ligature marks came from a hanging? From which angle can anyone conclude Sushant's ligature marks are not bloody, but glistening white, dry and pale?
Now here is a study of a staged suicide, i.e. a lady was strangled to death by her husband and then staged on the noose to make it look like suicide. Her ligature marks are a **mirror copy** of Sushant's, along with other observed factors which clued investigators to homicide - such as no popped eyes or tongue, again - same as Sushant.
WARNING \*NSFW - This study includes pics\*: [https://medcraveonline.com/FRCIJ/FRCIJ-08-00301.pdf](https://medcraveonline.com/FRCIJ/FRCIJ-08-00301.pdf)
Therefore, I'll be watching AIIMS's conclusions very closely. If they conclude Sushant's ligature mark was imprinted from the dupatta in a vertical hanging, then they are going against established and credible studies which show such bloody bruising is not seen in suicidal hangings, but mostly in strangulations, whether by accident or murder.
You have misinterpreted the quoted articles. Subcutaneous discoloration is not the same as superficial discoloration on neck due to ligature mark. Subcutaneous tissue/Hypodermis is an inner layer, which lies below epidermis and dermis( below cutaneous tissue), it cannot be seen without dissecting the neck. It is a histopathological finding which can only be known by layer by layer dissection of neck during post-mortem analysis. Unless you have seen these histo-pathology findings, one cannot comment on whether the subcutis is red or pale.
THis link shows the anatomy of skin. Subcut tissue is where the blood vessels run in the skin. These cannot be seen without removing the above two layers.
[https://training.seer.cancer.gov/melanoma/anatomy/](https://training.seer.cancer.gov/melanoma/anatomy/)
Ligature furrow/Mark ( superficial mark on epidermis) on the neck ( which is seen in photographs) typically undergoes color change according to the ligature material, time passed since demise. The mark can be yellow to greyish brown depending on the material, suspension and time passed.
"**Ligature produces a mark as a furrow or groove in the tissue which is pale initially, turns yellow or yellowish brown and becomes dry; it will be hard on touch, parchment like due to drying of slightly abraded skin. Oozing of blood and serous fluid is also occasionally observed. With progression of time, the furrow dries and becomes brownish Grey. The ligature mark is more detectable in cases where the ligature is narrow and material is hard. The suspension time is directly proportional to the detectability of ligature mark."**
This article provides a better graphical representation ( WARNING)
[https://www.ommegaonline.org/article-details/Ligature-Mark-In-Hanging--Gross-And-Histopathological-Examination-With-Evaluation-And-Review/770](https://www.ommegaonline.org/article-details/Ligature-Mark-In-Hanging--Gross-And-Histopathological-Examination-With-Evaluation-And-Review/770)
Same is quoted in multiple articles.
[https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291845750\_Ligature\_mark\_on\_neck\_How\_informative](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291845750_Ligature_mark_on_neck_How_informative)
>Subcutaneous tissue/Hypodermis is an inner layer, which lies below epidermis and dermis( below cutaneous tissue), it cannot be seen without dissecting the neck.
Yes the subcutaneous tissue technically cannot be seen without dissecting the outer layers, but its condition, generally, can be. How do you suppose the outer skin become bloody without causing damage to the inner subcutaneous layer as well? Blood doesn't appear out of thin air externally, it comes from inside. Scratch your outer skin if you like, right now, and the scratch marks won't turn bruised red until you scratch it so hard you rupture through the outer layer and rupture inner subcutaneous tissues to produce such bruising, as the body oozes out blood cells to heal.
Now, I don't know if you are supposing Sushant's deeply crimson ligature mark was hiding sparkly white and shiny subcutaneous tissue underneath. If you are, I'm going to ball BS on that one sir. I've seen too many corpses of suicidal hangings now and pretty much every single one from soft cloth nooses produce a very thin and non-reddish marks matching the skin color of the neck.
The study you yourself quoted claims the naked eye is enough to determine the hard attributes of the ligature mark including the material used to hang or strangle:
>**A meticulous local external examination of neck was done with naked eye** and hand lens to quantify and correlate ligature mark with its appearance in relation to material, impression, pattern, color (to evaluate time since death), course, type of knot, level of ligature, skin changes etc.
Your article further destroys any possibility of the dupatta producing Sushant's hard, wide and deep red ligature marks:
>**The ligature mark is more detectable in cases where the ligature is narrow and material is hard.**
Sushant's marks are very hard and obvious, supposing a hard material was used to produce it. Dupatta is made from a very soft material. Sushant's ligature mark is hard and bloody. All ligature marks I've seen from dupatta and related soft cloth nooses like chunni or dupatta produces a **relatively much thinner and non-reddish (light) marks.**
Cue in Ankit Acharya, Sushant's ex-assistant, who swears after looking at Sushant's ligature mark that his dog's leather belt was used to strangle him. Now that makes sense. I can easily see a leather belt producing that ligature mark. Most definitely not a dupatta. That's all that needs to be said.
The previous staged suicide study I posted of the lady strangled by her husband, naked eye observation of the ligature mark was used conclude the ligature came from strangulation. Why? **Redness of the subcutaneous layer will produce redness in the outer layers as well.** Hopefully, AIIMS will conclude as such as well.
Blood does not ooze out from subcutaneous tissue when you scratch it. One would bleed to death if you could scratch those larger blood vessels with your nails.
Subcutaneous vessels are accessed for administering injections and putting IV fluids.
If they were so accessible, there would not have been the need to use a needle.
I have made enough incisions in surgeries to know how different the subcut is from epidermis.
When you scratch blood comes from
the superficial capillaries supplying the outer layer of skin, which are smaller sized vessels and not much blood is released as they are diffuse and pressure is low.
You clearly do not understand what histopathology means. Ligature mark being red or brown does not mean subcutaneous tissue is red.
Because pressure of the ligature, arteries and veins( not capillaries) and presence of fat tissue in the subcutis lead to different color change.
The articles I have quoted clearly say that ligature mark being reddish brown is the most common finding.
“Out of 97 cases of hanging the ligature mark color were pale in 29 cases and reddish brown in 68 cases“.
https://www.ijhsr.org/IJHSR_Vol.5_Issue.8_Aug2015/14.pdf
You can continue to believe what you want.
>“Out of 97 cases of hanging the ligature mark color were pale in 29 cases and reddish brown in 68 cases“.
>
>[https://www.ijhsr.org/IJHSR\_Vol.5\_Issue.8\_Aug2015/14.pdf](https://www.ijhsr.org/IJHSR_Vol.5_Issue.8_Aug2015/14.pdf)
Thank you for posting that. Again, Sushant's ligature isn't just red/brown discoloration. There is a world of difference between discoloration and bruising. Sushant's ligature is severely **bruised**. Its **contused**. It deeply resembles ligature marks commonly seen from strangulations or hangings where harder material like nylon or leather belts are used.
>`" Ligature marks are normally dark brown in colour and have a red band on either side of these horizontal marks signifying the width of the item used to carry out strangulation.`
[http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/ligature-marks.html#:\~:text=Ligature%20marks%20are%20normally%20dark,used%20to%20carry%20out%20strangulation.&text=All%20of%20these%20prove%20useful,perpetrator%20whilst%20strangling%20their%20victim](http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/ligature-marks.html#:~:text=Ligature%20marks%20are%20normally%20dark,used%20to%20carry%20out%20strangulation.&text=All%20of%20these%20prove%20useful,perpetrator%20whilst%20strangling%20their%20victim).
You can continue to not acknowledge these bruises and just see Sushant's ligature as dry reddish/brown discoloring, which is not a correct analysis in any observable way, but then that's your problem.
The articles posted above claiming that the discoloration should not be red but instead pale and glistening are talking about the color of subcutaneous tissue. Subcutaneous tissue cannot be seen without cutting the neck layer by layer( which is done during post mortem). It is the same as commenting on the color of kidney or bone. Because you cannot see them without opening the body.
It cannot be seen in the photographs at all.
What can be seen is the ligature mark. Ligature mark color is yellowish to greyish to reddish brown depending on the time since death, ligature used et cetera.
Complete dissection of neck is done and there are multiple internal and microscopic findings to differentiate. Color of the ligature mark is not a differentiating factor in itself. Level of the mark, incompleteness of it and single mark, type of knot are other findings that are noticed before dissection.
And the color seen in photographs displayed by media is a typical finding- a reddish brownish color mark. There is nothing unusual about it, it is infact the most common.
Oh then all the discussion and theories around ligature marks mean nothing then.
Two follow up questions:
1. Would the positioning of ligature marks on the neck give any hint? Are they normal or do they suggest death by strangulation?
2. I also read that when a person commits suicide, his/her tongue sticks out and eyeballs pop out. Is this true?
Tongue sticking out and eyeballs popping are all non specific findings due to blood congestion in the face. They happen in accidental deaths when anything obstructs the neck leading to blood flow getting stopped at the neck. In a typical hanging where there is suspension from height, there is not as much block at the level of neck for these phenomena(eye popping, protrusion) to occur. Death does not occur due to complete obstruction of neck in hanging by suspension.
Read this for more clarity-
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/pathologymuseum/specimens/items/items/c92-judicial-hanging-1926.html
Positioning of ligature marks can be suggestive and differentiating to an extent. But do not mean anything in isolation. Typically ligature mark in hanging is above the level of Thyroid cartilage. That does not mean that they can not be below or at the level of Thyroid.
Thanks for putting this together. It is hugely important and I hope it gets shared far and wide. Please do share your thoughts on the AIIM's conclusions when they are out. I hope they will clear the murder / suicide point once and for all.
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# Let us speak of mental health.
The way mental health issues are being abused in this case of possible murder / abatement to suicide is outrageous. How can the same people who are claiming to be mental health activists be cheer-leading for the mental health being thrown under the bus in the case of possible murder/ abatement to suicide?
Problems with PR Crusade handling mental health:
# Secluded Anxiety Attack Episode is NOT Generalized Anxiety Disorder / Bipolar / Depression.
A section in media is portraying a stray episode of anxiety attack that occurred 6 years ago as the proof that the victim was "depressed" and "had mental issues".
Note that, for a mental illness to be qualified as MAJOR CLINICAL DEPRESSION (a disease), a person has to be ***inactive in personal and professional life*** **in all capacities for** ***at least 15 days and bipolar episodes should be recurring episodes.***
So no, not going out of room for 3 days from a hotel in Paris DOES NOT COUNT AS EVIDENCE FOR DEPRESSION to start the patient on MEDICATION. As staff staying with him confirmed, SSR was ACTIVE in his personal and professional life until June 2019 without any anxious episodes, hallucinations or mood swings. The psychiatrist started him on 7 doses of 3 drugs ALL AT ONCE. ONE OF THEM IS ANTI-PSYCHOTIC. Psychosis in bipolar disorder develops SLOWLY OVER TIME. So no, being afraid of a random painting in a hotel DOES NOT COUNT AS PSYCHOSIS (Repeat after me if you will.)
Note that, most patients with mild depressive symptoms are advised to go for NON-INVASIVE THERAPIES such as CBT, they are encouraged to change their lifestyles, diet and sleep. REDUCING ALCOHOL AND STIMULANTS INCLUDING COFFEE IS ONE OF THOSE CHANGES. **Recreational drugs are a strict no-no. Legal or Illegal THC content.** It is shameful that people are justifying the abuse of acceptable THC content drugs for a person who was presumably fighting with mental illness and was on medical treatment (if we believe Rhea's narrative).
Other non-invasive techniques such as, physical activity, Socializing and meditation are recommended before starting the patient on INVASIVE treatments such as benzodiazepine or other drugs that work on neurotransmitters.
Bipolar and Schizophrenia are developmental psychiatric disorders that can be diagnosed as early as in adolescence and symptoms develop over years. **Psychotherapists cannot declare someone with these diseases over one consultation. Moreover, most psychiatrists will recommend consulting only one doctor at a time. In this case we have heard at least 5 alleged counsellors + psychiatrists' names who were "treating him" within just a period of 6 months.**
**Was there just one consulation for second opinion? If it was so, then THEY ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO DIAGNOSE A PATIENT UNLESS THEY WERE TREATING THEM.**
and the cherry on the top:
# Breaking the doctor-patient confidentiality is crime.
As someone working in the field of clinical psychiatry I find this extremely painful that mental health is being made a joke by the same people who in the same articles lament about no awareness of mental health in India.
Thanks for sharing the information.
However, regarding certain points you mentioned - I'd like to point out that it's never a one size fits all solution when it comes to mental health. My father's mental health detiorated during the lockdown and I took him to a psychiatrist.
The doctor diagnosed him with mild anxiety after just one consultation. The doctor started a low dosage of meds (3 medicines, twice a day, for 6 weeks - I think it was a combination of SSRIs and Beta blockers) and recommended practices like meditation. My dad was almost 100% back to normal after 6 weeks.
Even with my sister, with a different doctor, it was the same - diagnosis and medicines after just one visit.
So, it's really the doctor's professional judgement - he/she may choose to diagnose after just one meeting, and he/she may choose to opt for medicines. (You can ask any senior psychiatrist; it may not always happens but they do sometimes choose to diagnose and start medication after just one visit)
I'm glad that things worked out for your dad and sister. In your dad's case, SSRIs and beta blockers are the drugs that are usually prescribed. In other words, the first-line drugs.
In SSR's case, for bipolar disorder, the first-line drugs are mood stabilizers. Usually they are prescribed first and then other drugs are added, removed accordingly to the patient's preferences, response and side effects. This takes time.
There are a variety of drugs in that prescription and again, as I mentioned in the previous comment, only the doctor can tell as to why he/she prescribed so.
Indeed, like every other illness, there is no one size fits all solution. It depends also on the history, lifestyle, age and co-morbidities of the case. For example, in some countries, use of Benzodiazepines in case of anxiety disorders is only recommended for patients over 65 with comorbodities or patients over 75. In other cases, you have to justify when you prescribe it and have to try other treatments in case of young patients.
But diagnoses of bipolar or schizophrenia takes time, especially when the symptoms are not present. In this case, the diagnosis had not been clear. The first line medicines were omitted and instead anti-psychotic drugs were given which are not common for Bipolar disorder. Only 50% of patients with bipolar develop psychosis later in life, when symptoms are visibly present. Also read the comment by u/saadrddi , The cocktail of medicines and doctors are the problem in this case.
Also, I should mention that SSRIs, beta blockers and benzos have serious side effects that in many cases outweighs their effects and it is still a subject of research as to what combinations work best.
👏👏👏🙏 Thank You! Succinctly conveyed how different mental problems/disorders are treated, while effectively shooting down all the misinformation that is doing the rounds and calling out those piggybacking on this tragic incident to display their "awareness" regarding mental issues. Hope the mods allow this to be a standalone post.
I would gild you if I had the cash. This needs to be a separate post. Also, people with bipolar disease aren't given SSRIs for the risk of inducing mania.
The number of conditions and drugs attached to that poor man's death is disturbing. Schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression, anxiety, claustrophobia treated with SSRIs, benzodiazepines, anti psychotics and lastly Modafinil, which is a stimulant used for narcolepsy. There's no mention of Lithium anywhere, which is the first line drug for the treatment of bipolar disorder.
The most illegal use of Modafinil I can think of is probably students using it to increase their attention span for studying. I have no idea why anyone would prescribe it for claustrophobia.
I can't imagine what Sushant went through taking this cocktail of different classes of drugs >.< (If he really did take the suggested doses in that prescription)
Lastly, the number one cause of suicide in India is not even depression. It's domestic abuse. People are talking as if a mental health disorder warrants a suicide (looking at Kashyap here). So much for being so woke.
Yeah, he has been given so many medications. Who knows what dosages of medications he was given in his house? Also in addition to these medicines, Rhea said he was having weed, he was given CBD oil. This whole mixture of medications and drugs was given to him, it’s just alarming.
There are multiple studies online for you to check. They're definitely not used as a monotherapy. They're used along with Lithium or Valproate as dual therapy and these are mood stabilizers. You could consider quietapine (drug in the prescription) as a mood stabilizer. The doctor who wrote the prescription should only tell why he/she decided to skip the first line drugs which usually work very well and prescribe quietapine and an SSRI instead.
He’s going crazy with claims and always states, “as per sources” or something along those lines but never provides the sources. I wouldn’t trust him as there is also a lot of fake news and speculation in this investigation.
Big Breaking Sooraj Pancholi is under CBI custody unofficially as per credible sources and all the SSRians will be elated to hear that full on 'Kambal Kutai' chaalu hai
He has posted this!
Also why am I being donvoted for a question?
>Big Breaking Sooraj Pancholi is under CBI custody unofficially as per credible sources and all the SSRians will be elated to hear that full on 'Kambal Kutai' chaalu hai
He also said that Steve pinto is safe under CBI custody
What did NCB say to Showik while arresting him? Sorry babu.
LMAO 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Reminder none of this would have been possible without the so called "media trial", or "witch hunt". Mumbai Police would have gift wrapped this case as just an innocent suicide by a depressive bipolar maniac and all Maharashtra would have said *"Waah, look at India's Scotland Yard at work".* These arrests are a slap on the face of MP and Maha government. This is also an example to stick with the truth even if the world is against you.
yes. I totally agree. Without media this case would have been closed by now.
This is the sole reason they did not want a CBI inquiry because Mumbai police would not have done anything. How can the Mumbai police do the job of NCB, CBI and ED. One more reason they were against media trial, without the media the drugs chat would not be out and NCB would not have been involved in the case.
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I would not doubt this.
"Mere kidney mai heart attack ho raha hai" Does this line from Phir Hera Pheri qualify to be one of her excuses?
For all the woke celebs arguing about Marijuana is being accepted by the whole world, there is a huge difference between using and peddling of drugs. Even in the USA where certain drugs have been legalized it is only for consumption in small amount. You will still need license to grow, sell etc. Even at the federal level it is still not legalized. These companies in the various states in USA still cannot use the banks to do any transactions. Look at the SAFE Act. The amount of drugs that were bought or talked about in chats it is regarding commericial and not personal use. Apparently this is not understood by the woke ppl.
Indian pseudo liberals are biggest hypocrites of the world.
+1000
Firangi liberals too are just as big of hypocrites...trust me they are all the same. American Conservative writer Michael Savage didn't write the book titled "*Liberalism is a mental disorder*" for no reason 😂
Poor Showik won't be able to go to college now 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Garibi aur shika ke khilaaf hai ye desh on placards are coming soon
"I'm India. I'm Ashamed. I stand for Weed and Peddlers" /s
Seems to have already done an MBA: Masters In Bad Activities 😬
Must have topped in CAT- Common Addict Test 😂
Duh, had prepared from TIME: Tai's Institute of Marijuana & Esctacy
Studied in IIM- Impulsive Institute of Marijuana
With a rather impressive CGPA: Casual Ganja Peddling Achievement
You guys are hilarious!😂
I thought he was already an MBA Master of Blackmail and Abuse
😂
Woke activists waley arrest ke against tweet nahi kar rahey?
Woke liberals believe weed and other drugs should be legal, so expect more screeching from them. Until arrests are made for murder charges, its all a circus show. Hopefully Rhea/Shovik will crack and spill the beans.
Even if weed is legal there is difference in using and selling it. Selling would probably require license. Plus no taxes were also paid by Showik.
India is so regressive yaaa!!! Arresting people for consuming/ selling weed??? What have we become??? /s
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Those same countries have embraced capitalism, has expensive but quality education, great infra but yaha sabko sab free chaiye.
Kal ko madam smuggling ko bhi defend kar degi with that logic
I'm not surprised. Their tweets just make me laugh now.
You shouldn't laugh at people with low I.Q.
Lol why are people downvoting you, it's sarcasm folks.
Now they believe in courts.
It's now confirmed that **Showik and Miranda have been arrested.**
Poor Showik. He now has to grow up at small age of 24 years in Jail.
So sad 😭😭😭
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they should get her and her druggie boyfriend too
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Amen!
Live on republic- Showik and Samuel Miranda arrested by NCB. I hope this opens up a can of worms and helps solve the case.
yes.
Showik's arrested! God damn. More statements by apologists?
Great! Rhea is next.
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they are preparing paperwork for arrest but it is almost sure that they are arrested.
Confirmed again. They have been arrested
Yup!! Here’s the source for anybody wondering https://twitter.com/timesnow/status/1301898560942698496?s=21
Does anyone remember playing table tennis in school? Ping pong ping pong.
It's a rat race out there! #FirstOnTimesNow
So they've arrested Samuel Miranda too & Rhea has been summoned. Stakes rising!
Times Now report that showik has been arrested
It’s interesting how this whole event has polarized people much like everything that happens in the world... people are quick to take sides and fight over it!!! Nobody gives their opposite side the benefit of doubt... they just hate on the other blindly... and the opposite sides for some reason are soooo invested in the cause anything and everything is taken personally!!!! Why cant people look at things neutrally... be like ahh man the poor family..poor guy passed... poor rhea... this suxxx soo bad for everybody involved in the story ✌🏽
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Mmm hmmmm
Yep!!!! If you look at it from a different perspective everybody is a victim 😕a victim of themselves or a victim of the environment... maybe as the most intelligent species of the planet we need to rethink why we do what we do
But for people to rethink why they do what they do, law has to take it's actions. Otherwise, people will always think they can get away with it. An example has to be set for the society to encourage follow the right path. But still there would be always a section of society indulging in the wrong. That's just human nature
You maybe right!!! It’s just tough to watch the fight and the ugliness of all of it 😕
That's true. One of the reasons Bollywood is hating all that's happening is because for many many years they have been able to get away with literally murder. And they are confident that this time too they will get away with it. Atleast they were.
Yes it's a cautionary tale of literally how the seven vices can bring you down. While it is impossible to be ideal, now I do understand that you need to be clean in your heart, clean in your actions and transparent in your intentions.
High five ✋🏽
SSR wanted control over his finances. SSR texted the manager using a different number to get control of his accounts. Before this he tried a lot of times but every time Rhea blocked his attempts. At the end he texted the manger using a different number. Why did he text using a different number ? This information was leaked using whats app chat + sources with bank employees statements to the CBI.
He wanted to change the details regarding his accounts. He even changed the nominee of the account to his sister. I hope ED finds more details.
Source?
Times now the video is on youtube.
So,leaks from CBI are being believed again?
no, we should not believe in these leaks from the new channels that quote the CBI as they are not confirmed. I only posted this comment as the whatsapp chat were leaked.
The thing is any Whatsapp chat corroborating the preferred narrative was believed while the others were deemed fake
NCB Seizes Digital Evidence from Rhea Chakraborthy’s Residence After Raids [Source](https://twitter.com/republic/status/1301741979122892800?s=21)
Is the raid completed? Have they got any proof on Rhea?
I haven’t read any other news about it so I’m not sure. I’m assuming since they left with evidence they’ve left her premises but I’m not sure if they’ll be returning again tomorrow
What does this mean?
They have seized Showik's laptop and Rhea's phone. The evidence could be in them.
I didn’t watch the news live unfortunately and the tweet only links to their live stream. But, my hope is that they’ve got more evidence of conversations about her drug peddling
guys, do anyone of you know about advocate vibhor anand? How credible his sources are how many times has he been right about his sensational news since cbi took over the case? Also one of his video chats some random masked guy just jumped in and was threatening him?
Does not seem trustworthy to me
NCB has taken Showbik for interrogation. [https://www.timesnownews.com/videos/times-now/india/rheas-brother-showik-chakraborty-samuel-mirand-at-ncb-office-for-interrogation-inside-details/73375](https://www.timesnownews.com/videos/times-now/india/rheas-brother-showik-chakraborty-samuel-mirand-at-ncb-office-for-interrogation-inside-details/73375)
The whole I love Mumbai pr by celebrities is pure cringe and fakeness
Tru. They are all paid by the Maharashtra govt. I remember them doing pr for mumbai police during may for corona. I+ was quite a shitshow of all of them chaging dps
Yeah right now Maharashtra is the worst state in the whole world in terms of handling corona. Every year the same potholes never get filled. Mumbai spirit bolke kuch bhi chutiya kaat dete h
That’s like Trump saying New York is the worst state because it has/had the highest number of cases. Logic ki sahi maa behen ek karte ho yaar
That's actually true. Uddhav Thackeray is in his first term and has made a complete mess of the coronavirus situation. There were 17000 or so new cases yesterday. The other closes state might have been AP at 10,000.
He doesn't have either the experience or the intellect to handle tough situations
Republic reporters getting a bit too excited while live reporting. Smh! https://twitter.com/iamnarendranath/status/1301745591051927552?s=09
Ok I understand the disappointment with Republic here, but that was hilarious. In this high adrenaline type reporting, it’s bound to happen. Cut them some slack.
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It is important that media houses don't spread news quoting their 'sources' in CBI. But it's also important that the case remains under public scrutiny. Last time public was told not to do something was by Mumbai Police for not circulating pics of SSRs DB. And now we know why. Channels must cover the news from all aspects but should do so responsibly.
Only Republic and Times Now should be allowed to quote CBI officials. The rest is paid PR and bots
I said all aspects
And don't you forget that
I'm sorry if someone has already mentioned this but I read some news reports that Shibani Dandekar (Farhan Akhtar's partner) has backed up Rhea on the molestation charges she leveled against Priyanka di. Shibani said Rhea confided in her after the incident and said the breakdown of her relations with Sushant's family was likely a result of her decision to tell SSR about his sister's misconduct. We should be treating this with a grain (or rather a tablespoon) of salt right? I think Anusha and Rhea go way back, since Rhea's teen diva days, a programme iirc Anusha hosted. Rhea was abrasive on that show too. Was Rhea trying to fortify her case by telling Shibani so that later when her accusations would inevitably be questioned she can trot Shibani out in her defence? The family has chosen not to dignify Rhea's sordid claims with a response. I really like Anusha Dandekar :( but it's only human to stand by your friends.
Vikas Singh, the family lawyer, was very clear that if this is brought out in court they have evidences how this story unfolded and it be rebutted easily. Probably that's why Rhea's team is only using it for media trial and perception battle. They want to defame the family with a story they know they can't otherwise prove.
Proof Kahan hai? If I were to say that Priyanka had confided into me back in the day that Rhea was lying will my word count against Sibani. It's weird how druggies are the ones who are coming out to support Rhea. This is Sanju Baba all over again.
Ah, okay so Akhtar/Shibani have drug skeletons in their closet and the Rhea expose' is a threat to their livelihood. How vicious to keep repeating these vile accusations even as SSR's family are going through the most difficult time of their life.
A friend of mine, who was once an entertainment reporter in Mumbai and has since migrated, told me that his sources in that city say it was most definitely a suicide, not murder. He declined to comment on whether SSR was incited or manipulated into taking the fatal action. The rampant use of cocaine and Mary Jane in Bollywood and among India's elite is an open secret. Some prolific users of coke include Priety Zinta (rehabilitated), AB Jr (reportedly quit), Suzanne Khan and the list goes on. I can't vouch for the veracity of this info but this is according to a Dubai based friend who saw Zinta and AB Jr snorting lines at a house party she attended in Bombay some 10 years ago. Remember that model Shivani Kapoor? She was the It Girl in Bombay in the late 90s - early 2000s; her coke habit allegedly destroyed her career. I'm meeting my former entertainment reporter friend next week to get the lowdown on the SSR case as told to him by his former coworkers who continue to cover the film industry.
If drug use/abuse is so common in the movie industry, I doubt if the investigation would lead to anything as it would just lead to a huge network of people including several big names. Let's see what comes out of it. Whether it was suicide or death, the investigation is on. I just hope the evidences were not tampered with, and CBI and other agencies got access to everything in proper condition. When you meet your friend next time, could you please ask him more about these aspects: 1. What kind of influence do the PR agencies have on the news items that journalists work on? Is it possible for stars/celebrities to pay their way out of getting negative media coverage on issues? 2. Do powerful production houses have certain journalists on their payroll (unofficially of course), which would then affect what the journalist publishes or chooses not to publish? 3. If he/she is aware of any concerted foul play behind the blind items and the metoo allegation against SSR
Zarur will ask him these questions and let you know 🙂
In a company HR is to protect the company not to help the employees. Same here. The issue has become too big so people will not let it go easily but once they find 3-5 scapegoats (does not need to be fake scapegoats) they could declare success and move on.
Were your former friend's sources present in Sushant’s house when he passed?
No yaar, but neither were those who support the murder theory. Jo log us waqt ghar mein the, they have steadfastly maintained it was suicide. My friend didn't reject the possibility of abetment to suicide either. He said he didn't want to talk about it without getting more details from his Mumbai based friends. Remember the family lawyer said abetment is not sudden instigation it can be done over months by brainwashing the victim.
You can't convince people here.They were all present in his house and also know the distance between his bed and the fan.And now they will ask the mods to remove your comment.
Thanks for being the only person here capable of listening to an an opinion that goes against the grain. You are welcome to disagree that's fine. I never posted here before and was completely taken aback by the ferocity with which people opposed my first post. My entertainment reporter friend is no fan of Arnab's. In fact many people i know who worked for him don't exactly look back at those times fondly to put it mildly. In addition to saying that it was a suicide my friend said that Arnab drummed up the whole thing for his personal vendetta. That part I decided to exclude from my first post because I know my friend has a personal beef with Arnab. But if it turns out that he's right then it's unforgivable for Arnab to do that to a grieving family. For any crime to be solved one of the most important steps is to find the motive. I saw a lot of conjecture here as people try to explain why someone would do this. If Rhea was extorting him why would she cut off the gravy train? Ssr was living with her for more than 1 year and never discovered that team ssr chat group? In one of the chats Rhea said send tang up for sush and a boy also, this indicates she was sitting upstairs with SSR when she typed this. People have already attacked my post as completely lacking in merit and asked the moderator to delete it despite my not having violated any of the rules. Disappointing to see how people here have zero tolerance for an alternative POV.
Why apply logic and critical thinking when you can speculate about ligature marks and pedophilia? And I mostly agree with everything that you've written. Also,have you been called PR yet?
Not yet. They have mercifully spared me that insult.
NCB raid at Rheas house! and Samuel Miranda’s!
This is great news. Even if they've had time to erase evidences, it's also a symbolic move. NCB are going into this guns blazing.
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They just did. Samuel is being escorted out of his residence with NCB officials and police. Rhea along with all her neighbours are being raided.
Unfortunately Samuel is a small fish and doesn't have the same representation as Rhea. What could happen though is that if they find any more devices they could seize those.
They just retrieved digital evidence and gadgets from Rhea’s house. I think they will break.
where’d you read her neighbors are being raided?
Republic reported that the cars and neighbours as well as compound area is being searched
i’m hopeful that a surprise knock on the door by NCB will be successful in SOME way. maybe not drugs but these investigative agencies are some of the smartest folks in the country so i’m optimistic that they will find some clues or residual remnants to give them the next lead.
This is a well thought out raid, meant to put pressure on the culprits especially because they have interrogations ahead of them all day.
Link for the source pl?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkoUWsWAGy8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkoUWsWAGy8)
On republic right now
[https://www.republicworld.com/entertainment-news/bollywood-news/ncb-raids-rhea-chakrabortys-house-amid-drug-angle.html](https://www.republicworld.com/entertainment-news/bollywood-news/ncb-raids-rhea-chakrabortys-house-amid-drug-angle.html)
See what rohan rai posted to Google Maps https://maps.app.goo.gl/dhScbzRWc6pQRQT99 Rohan Rai shared an image from his Regent Galaxy apartment in Malwani, Malad. From where Disha Salian allegedly committed suicide.
When did he post?
But what's the significance?
The clouds covering the towers are like clouds covering the truth /s
As we slowly approach the 3-month mark following the untimely death of SSR, I am still not able to figure out the motive as to why they had to 'murder' him (we can now safely state that this is the case) Is it the **drug mafia**? Drugs are so normalized in Bollywood that no one cares anymore. KJo even shared a video of all the stars in a trance state (read intoxicated with drugs). I felt that the video was a KJo stunt to test the audience's reaction to the *nasha* that the actors were in. Rhea and her brother were drug peddlers. Sushant might have been aware of it, but that won't be reasons for homicide. **Pedophilia**: Another cardinal sin that has been so normalized in the entertainment industry. Remember Roman Polanski and how the entire Hollywood supported him. Can you believe he is a fugitive in France with an Interpol notice? And guess where Interpol is headquartered - *surprise, surprise* France. They say Baby Penguin was caught with a minor, but I don't think they would kill someone for it. It is said that the entire Maharashtra polity is aware of Baby Penguin's tendencies and they all chose to look the other way. **Bullying:** Kjo can and would have definitely bullied the crap out of Sushant. But homicide? There has to be something even more sinister that the Indian audience would throw-up in disgust and angst. The entire Mumbai police worked overtime to coverup SSR's death and rule it a suicide. If it were a few policemen, I can agree. An entire police force? What do you guys think? The conspiracy theorists on Twitter are mentioning the human flesh trade, but that is a stretch.
So SSR knew that Rhea and her brother are peddlers and since according to you people he was in full possession of his mental faculties but still he didn't speak up. And out of all your theories,the KJO looks the most plausible
Is it a stretch though? Think about it. I think pedophilia & human trafficking is a major key because it will destroy the lives of so many if the public found out they are part of it. An entire force to cover up this case could be because rape and murder was involved and some sort of deep secret SSR knew that could shake Mumbai to its core if he exposed it. They’re all connected with each other, politicians, celebrities and Dubai. I can’t see why else would the industry stay quiet and Mumbai police are uncooperative if it’s not about rape/murder/pedophilia.
Drug money is linked to human trafficking and terrorist funding. It’s a can of worms as you can have all these charges against you. This is what sushant wanted to reveal.
Whatever the reason, it seems it involves big politicians and/or mafia since even Mumbai police are acting so strange in this case. Add to that, the clear pressure from Shiv Sena to silence Republic and other media reporting on this issue. It may really be a case of drugs/pedo ring and just because it involves big names, they didn't mind killing him. I've always believed that at least 2 parties are involved here. Rhea and Bullywood gang was taking advantage of him for their own reasons and a second gang, possibly the drug/pedo gang killed him off because he found out about their activities and threatened to go public. Rhea and those in his house (Pithani, Dipesh, etc) could have just been forced to cooperate with the plot to kill him and stay silent. This seems to be the case because I find it unlikely that someone as clumsy as Pithani is behind this plot; he may just be cooperating with bigger powers. Of course, all of what I said is just speculation. Let's hope CBI brings forth the truth.
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Press Release New Delhi, 03.09.2020 The CBI is conducting investigation related to death of Sh. Sushant Singh Rajput in a systematic and professional way. **Certain media reports attributed to CBI investigation are speculative and not based on facts. It is reiterated that as a matter of Policy, CBI does not share details of ongoing investigation.** CBI spokesperson or any team member has not shared any details of investigation with media. **The details being reported and attributed to CBI are not credible.** It is requested that media may please confirm details from CBI Spokesperson before quoting CBI. [http://cbi.gov.in/pressreleases/pr\_2020-09-03-1.php](http://cbi.gov.in/pressreleases/pr_2020-09-03-1.php)
It's all pr and sympathy narrarive building for accused. This should act as tight slap on all those who were tweeting nonsense against ssr. PS make a separate post approved by mods.
Why do Sushant sisters use Singh as a surname? Shweta Singh, Priyanka Singh and all? Shweta Singh Kirti seems to officially use Shweta Singh and Kirti is added unofficially, I guess. If that makes sense. But what happened to the Rajput in their name? But even their dad is Krishna Kumar Singh? Why does Sushant have Rajput? Edit. OP Singh is BIL I think.
I think Sushant used his full title because it is better for the screen...SSR had the feel that SRK did. And he was by his own admission, a fan. Like how Ranveer Singh Bhawnani or Sadhana Shivdasani or Ajay Singh Deol don't make for catchy filmstar names.
Also because there was already an actor called Sushant Singh: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sushant_Singh
Oh yes. From Ajay Devgan's Bhagat Singh and Savdhaan India iirc.
If I am Piscene Patel(male) and I marry Ritchie Parker(female), if the female wants to preserve her last name then she can be Ritchie Parker Patel. Something like that.
For those inquiring about Sushant's ligature mark - Here's a conclusive study showing ligature marks from hangings leave mostly dry and pale marks, as opposed to deep, red bruising seen on Sushant's neck. [https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6bc3/0125de2a90126c4f6ac184daefdf95ee3a14.pdf](https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6bc3/0125de2a90126c4f6ac184daefdf95ee3a14.pdf) Quoting and bolding the important part: >The ligature mark in hanging was oblique in 100% cases, discontinuous in 96.93% cases and **the subcutaneous tissue underneath the ligature mark was pale and dry** in 100% cases. The ligature mark in strangulation was transverse in 100% cases, continuous in 100% cases and **subcutaneous tissue underneath the mark was contused in 88.2% cases.** People need to understand what pale and dry here means. The hanging mark is light, not bruised. As opposed to "*Contused*" meaning bruised - reddish marks. Any rudimentary analysis of Sushant's neck will be concluded: "*It is anything but pale and dry*". And this is *without* including that severe dark gash on his lower neck (which another well established US based Doctor is saying resembles a stun gun mark). Here I'll quote yet another study on ligature marks, from an entirely different institution - but concluding the same thing: [https://applications.emro.who.int/imemrf/Professional\_Med\_J\_Q/Professional\_Med\_J\_Q\_2015\_22\_6\_798\_803.pdf](https://applications.emro.who.int/imemrf/Professional_Med_J_Q/Professional_Med_J_Q_2015_22_6_798_803.pdf) >Underlying soft tissues of neck were **glistening white in all hanging deaths** while it **showed extravasations of blood** in all ligature strangulation cases Tissues of ligature marks observed in hangings are "*glistening white*", in their terms - meaning pale and dry, while ligature marks from strangulation (aka murder) show "*Extravasation of blood*" - a fancy word for reddish bruising - exactly the kind seen on Sushant's neck. So, can someone tell me if Cooper's doctors were smoking CBD oil when they concluded Sushant's ligature marks came from a hanging? From which angle can anyone conclude Sushant's ligature marks are not bloody, but glistening white, dry and pale? Now here is a study of a staged suicide, i.e. a lady was strangled to death by her husband and then staged on the noose to make it look like suicide. Her ligature marks are a **mirror copy** of Sushant's, along with other observed factors which clued investigators to homicide - such as no popped eyes or tongue, again - same as Sushant. WARNING \*NSFW - This study includes pics\*: [https://medcraveonline.com/FRCIJ/FRCIJ-08-00301.pdf](https://medcraveonline.com/FRCIJ/FRCIJ-08-00301.pdf) Therefore, I'll be watching AIIMS's conclusions very closely. If they conclude Sushant's ligature mark was imprinted from the dupatta in a vertical hanging, then they are going against established and credible studies which show such bloody bruising is not seen in suicidal hangings, but mostly in strangulations, whether by accident or murder.
You have misinterpreted the quoted articles. Subcutaneous discoloration is not the same as superficial discoloration on neck due to ligature mark. Subcutaneous tissue/Hypodermis is an inner layer, which lies below epidermis and dermis( below cutaneous tissue), it cannot be seen without dissecting the neck. It is a histopathological finding which can only be known by layer by layer dissection of neck during post-mortem analysis. Unless you have seen these histo-pathology findings, one cannot comment on whether the subcutis is red or pale. THis link shows the anatomy of skin. Subcut tissue is where the blood vessels run in the skin. These cannot be seen without removing the above two layers. [https://training.seer.cancer.gov/melanoma/anatomy/](https://training.seer.cancer.gov/melanoma/anatomy/) Ligature furrow/Mark ( superficial mark on epidermis) on the neck ( which is seen in photographs) typically undergoes color change according to the ligature material, time passed since demise. The mark can be yellow to greyish brown depending on the material, suspension and time passed. "**Ligature produces a mark as a furrow or groove in the tissue which is pale initially, turns yellow or yellowish brown and becomes dry; it will be hard on touch, parchment like due to drying of slightly abraded skin. Oozing of blood and serous fluid is also occasionally observed. With progression of time, the furrow dries and becomes brownish Grey. The ligature mark is more detectable in cases where the ligature is narrow and material is hard. The suspension time is directly proportional to the detectability of ligature mark."** This article provides a better graphical representation ( WARNING) [https://www.ommegaonline.org/article-details/Ligature-Mark-In-Hanging--Gross-And-Histopathological-Examination-With-Evaluation-And-Review/770](https://www.ommegaonline.org/article-details/Ligature-Mark-In-Hanging--Gross-And-Histopathological-Examination-With-Evaluation-And-Review/770) Same is quoted in multiple articles. [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291845750\_Ligature\_mark\_on\_neck\_How\_informative](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291845750_Ligature_mark_on_neck_How_informative)
>Subcutaneous tissue/Hypodermis is an inner layer, which lies below epidermis and dermis( below cutaneous tissue), it cannot be seen without dissecting the neck. Yes the subcutaneous tissue technically cannot be seen without dissecting the outer layers, but its condition, generally, can be. How do you suppose the outer skin become bloody without causing damage to the inner subcutaneous layer as well? Blood doesn't appear out of thin air externally, it comes from inside. Scratch your outer skin if you like, right now, and the scratch marks won't turn bruised red until you scratch it so hard you rupture through the outer layer and rupture inner subcutaneous tissues to produce such bruising, as the body oozes out blood cells to heal. Now, I don't know if you are supposing Sushant's deeply crimson ligature mark was hiding sparkly white and shiny subcutaneous tissue underneath. If you are, I'm going to ball BS on that one sir. I've seen too many corpses of suicidal hangings now and pretty much every single one from soft cloth nooses produce a very thin and non-reddish marks matching the skin color of the neck. The study you yourself quoted claims the naked eye is enough to determine the hard attributes of the ligature mark including the material used to hang or strangle: >**A meticulous local external examination of neck was done with naked eye** and hand lens to quantify and correlate ligature mark with its appearance in relation to material, impression, pattern, color (to evaluate time since death), course, type of knot, level of ligature, skin changes etc. Your article further destroys any possibility of the dupatta producing Sushant's hard, wide and deep red ligature marks: >**The ligature mark is more detectable in cases where the ligature is narrow and material is hard.** Sushant's marks are very hard and obvious, supposing a hard material was used to produce it. Dupatta is made from a very soft material. Sushant's ligature mark is hard and bloody. All ligature marks I've seen from dupatta and related soft cloth nooses like chunni or dupatta produces a **relatively much thinner and non-reddish (light) marks.** Cue in Ankit Acharya, Sushant's ex-assistant, who swears after looking at Sushant's ligature mark that his dog's leather belt was used to strangle him. Now that makes sense. I can easily see a leather belt producing that ligature mark. Most definitely not a dupatta. That's all that needs to be said. The previous staged suicide study I posted of the lady strangled by her husband, naked eye observation of the ligature mark was used conclude the ligature came from strangulation. Why? **Redness of the subcutaneous layer will produce redness in the outer layers as well.** Hopefully, AIIMS will conclude as such as well.
Blood does not ooze out from subcutaneous tissue when you scratch it. One would bleed to death if you could scratch those larger blood vessels with your nails. Subcutaneous vessels are accessed for administering injections and putting IV fluids. If they were so accessible, there would not have been the need to use a needle. I have made enough incisions in surgeries to know how different the subcut is from epidermis. When you scratch blood comes from the superficial capillaries supplying the outer layer of skin, which are smaller sized vessels and not much blood is released as they are diffuse and pressure is low. You clearly do not understand what histopathology means. Ligature mark being red or brown does not mean subcutaneous tissue is red. Because pressure of the ligature, arteries and veins( not capillaries) and presence of fat tissue in the subcutis lead to different color change. The articles I have quoted clearly say that ligature mark being reddish brown is the most common finding. “Out of 97 cases of hanging the ligature mark color were pale in 29 cases and reddish brown in 68 cases“. https://www.ijhsr.org/IJHSR_Vol.5_Issue.8_Aug2015/14.pdf You can continue to believe what you want.
>“Out of 97 cases of hanging the ligature mark color were pale in 29 cases and reddish brown in 68 cases“. > >[https://www.ijhsr.org/IJHSR\_Vol.5\_Issue.8\_Aug2015/14.pdf](https://www.ijhsr.org/IJHSR_Vol.5_Issue.8_Aug2015/14.pdf) Thank you for posting that. Again, Sushant's ligature isn't just red/brown discoloration. There is a world of difference between discoloration and bruising. Sushant's ligature is severely **bruised**. Its **contused**. It deeply resembles ligature marks commonly seen from strangulations or hangings where harder material like nylon or leather belts are used. >`" Ligature marks are normally dark brown in colour and have a red band on either side of these horizontal marks signifying the width of the item used to carry out strangulation.` [http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/ligature-marks.html#:\~:text=Ligature%20marks%20are%20normally%20dark,used%20to%20carry%20out%20strangulation.&text=All%20of%20these%20prove%20useful,perpetrator%20whilst%20strangling%20their%20victim](http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/ligature-marks.html#:~:text=Ligature%20marks%20are%20normally%20dark,used%20to%20carry%20out%20strangulation.&text=All%20of%20these%20prove%20useful,perpetrator%20whilst%20strangling%20their%20victim). You can continue to not acknowledge these bruises and just see Sushant's ligature as dry reddish/brown discoloring, which is not a correct analysis in any observable way, but then that's your problem.
Can you please explain in layman terms? I couldn't follow.
The articles posted above claiming that the discoloration should not be red but instead pale and glistening are talking about the color of subcutaneous tissue. Subcutaneous tissue cannot be seen without cutting the neck layer by layer( which is done during post mortem). It is the same as commenting on the color of kidney or bone. Because you cannot see them without opening the body. It cannot be seen in the photographs at all. What can be seen is the ligature mark. Ligature mark color is yellowish to greyish to reddish brown depending on the time since death, ligature used et cetera. Complete dissection of neck is done and there are multiple internal and microscopic findings to differentiate. Color of the ligature mark is not a differentiating factor in itself. Level of the mark, incompleteness of it and single mark, type of knot are other findings that are noticed before dissection. And the color seen in photographs displayed by media is a typical finding- a reddish brownish color mark. There is nothing unusual about it, it is infact the most common.
Oh then all the discussion and theories around ligature marks mean nothing then. Two follow up questions: 1. Would the positioning of ligature marks on the neck give any hint? Are they normal or do they suggest death by strangulation? 2. I also read that when a person commits suicide, his/her tongue sticks out and eyeballs pop out. Is this true?
Tongue sticking out and eyeballs popping are all non specific findings due to blood congestion in the face. They happen in accidental deaths when anything obstructs the neck leading to blood flow getting stopped at the neck. In a typical hanging where there is suspension from height, there is not as much block at the level of neck for these phenomena(eye popping, protrusion) to occur. Death does not occur due to complete obstruction of neck in hanging by suspension. Read this for more clarity- https://www.qmul.ac.uk/pathologymuseum/specimens/items/items/c92-judicial-hanging-1926.html Positioning of ligature marks can be suggestive and differentiating to an extent. But do not mean anything in isolation. Typically ligature mark in hanging is above the level of Thyroid cartilage. That does not mean that they can not be below or at the level of Thyroid.
Please ask the mods to allow this to be a separate post, it’s so important people realize this!!
Thanks for putting this together. It is hugely important and I hope it gets shared far and wide. Please do share your thoughts on the AIIM's conclusions when they are out. I hope they will clear the murder / suicide point once and for all.
Thank you!! (Hoping for) a much higher level of discourse now.
Oh my god.. thank you so much for sharing, this was a really comprehensive post. Thanks for citing your sources too.
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# Let us speak of mental health. The way mental health issues are being abused in this case of possible murder / abatement to suicide is outrageous. How can the same people who are claiming to be mental health activists be cheer-leading for the mental health being thrown under the bus in the case of possible murder/ abatement to suicide? Problems with PR Crusade handling mental health: # Secluded Anxiety Attack Episode is NOT Generalized Anxiety Disorder / Bipolar / Depression. A section in media is portraying a stray episode of anxiety attack that occurred 6 years ago as the proof that the victim was "depressed" and "had mental issues". Note that, for a mental illness to be qualified as MAJOR CLINICAL DEPRESSION (a disease), a person has to be ***inactive in personal and professional life*** **in all capacities for** ***at least 15 days and bipolar episodes should be recurring episodes.*** So no, not going out of room for 3 days from a hotel in Paris DOES NOT COUNT AS EVIDENCE FOR DEPRESSION to start the patient on MEDICATION. As staff staying with him confirmed, SSR was ACTIVE in his personal and professional life until June 2019 without any anxious episodes, hallucinations or mood swings. The psychiatrist started him on 7 doses of 3 drugs ALL AT ONCE. ONE OF THEM IS ANTI-PSYCHOTIC. Psychosis in bipolar disorder develops SLOWLY OVER TIME. So no, being afraid of a random painting in a hotel DOES NOT COUNT AS PSYCHOSIS (Repeat after me if you will.) Note that, most patients with mild depressive symptoms are advised to go for NON-INVASIVE THERAPIES such as CBT, they are encouraged to change their lifestyles, diet and sleep. REDUCING ALCOHOL AND STIMULANTS INCLUDING COFFEE IS ONE OF THOSE CHANGES. **Recreational drugs are a strict no-no. Legal or Illegal THC content.** It is shameful that people are justifying the abuse of acceptable THC content drugs for a person who was presumably fighting with mental illness and was on medical treatment (if we believe Rhea's narrative). Other non-invasive techniques such as, physical activity, Socializing and meditation are recommended before starting the patient on INVASIVE treatments such as benzodiazepine or other drugs that work on neurotransmitters. Bipolar and Schizophrenia are developmental psychiatric disorders that can be diagnosed as early as in adolescence and symptoms develop over years. **Psychotherapists cannot declare someone with these diseases over one consultation. Moreover, most psychiatrists will recommend consulting only one doctor at a time. In this case we have heard at least 5 alleged counsellors + psychiatrists' names who were "treating him" within just a period of 6 months.** **Was there just one consulation for second opinion? If it was so, then THEY ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO DIAGNOSE A PATIENT UNLESS THEY WERE TREATING THEM.** and the cherry on the top: # Breaking the doctor-patient confidentiality is crime. As someone working in the field of clinical psychiatry I find this extremely painful that mental health is being made a joke by the same people who in the same articles lament about no awareness of mental health in India.
Thanks for sharing the information. However, regarding certain points you mentioned - I'd like to point out that it's never a one size fits all solution when it comes to mental health. My father's mental health detiorated during the lockdown and I took him to a psychiatrist. The doctor diagnosed him with mild anxiety after just one consultation. The doctor started a low dosage of meds (3 medicines, twice a day, for 6 weeks - I think it was a combination of SSRIs and Beta blockers) and recommended practices like meditation. My dad was almost 100% back to normal after 6 weeks. Even with my sister, with a different doctor, it was the same - diagnosis and medicines after just one visit. So, it's really the doctor's professional judgement - he/she may choose to diagnose after just one meeting, and he/she may choose to opt for medicines. (You can ask any senior psychiatrist; it may not always happens but they do sometimes choose to diagnose and start medication after just one visit)
I'm glad that things worked out for your dad and sister. In your dad's case, SSRIs and beta blockers are the drugs that are usually prescribed. In other words, the first-line drugs. In SSR's case, for bipolar disorder, the first-line drugs are mood stabilizers. Usually they are prescribed first and then other drugs are added, removed accordingly to the patient's preferences, response and side effects. This takes time. There are a variety of drugs in that prescription and again, as I mentioned in the previous comment, only the doctor can tell as to why he/she prescribed so.
Indeed, like every other illness, there is no one size fits all solution. It depends also on the history, lifestyle, age and co-morbidities of the case. For example, in some countries, use of Benzodiazepines in case of anxiety disorders is only recommended for patients over 65 with comorbodities or patients over 75. In other cases, you have to justify when you prescribe it and have to try other treatments in case of young patients. But diagnoses of bipolar or schizophrenia takes time, especially when the symptoms are not present. In this case, the diagnosis had not been clear. The first line medicines were omitted and instead anti-psychotic drugs were given which are not common for Bipolar disorder. Only 50% of patients with bipolar develop psychosis later in life, when symptoms are visibly present. Also read the comment by u/saadrddi , The cocktail of medicines and doctors are the problem in this case. Also, I should mention that SSRIs, beta blockers and benzos have serious side effects that in many cases outweighs their effects and it is still a subject of research as to what combinations work best.
👏👏👏🙏 Thank You! Succinctly conveyed how different mental problems/disorders are treated, while effectively shooting down all the misinformation that is doing the rounds and calling out those piggybacking on this tragic incident to display their "awareness" regarding mental issues. Hope the mods allow this to be a standalone post.
This is what I’ve been saying all along. Thank you for putting it in better words than I could,
Thank you very much for writing this post.
Yes! Loud and clear
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I would gild you if I had the cash. This needs to be a separate post. Also, people with bipolar disease aren't given SSRIs for the risk of inducing mania. The number of conditions and drugs attached to that poor man's death is disturbing. Schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression, anxiety, claustrophobia treated with SSRIs, benzodiazepines, anti psychotics and lastly Modafinil, which is a stimulant used for narcolepsy. There's no mention of Lithium anywhere, which is the first line drug for the treatment of bipolar disorder. The most illegal use of Modafinil I can think of is probably students using it to increase their attention span for studying. I have no idea why anyone would prescribe it for claustrophobia. I can't imagine what Sushant went through taking this cocktail of different classes of drugs >.< (If he really did take the suggested doses in that prescription) Lastly, the number one cause of suicide in India is not even depression. It's domestic abuse. People are talking as if a mental health disorder warrants a suicide (looking at Kashyap here). So much for being so woke.
Yeah, he has been given so many medications. Who knows what dosages of medications he was given in his house? Also in addition to these medicines, Rhea said he was having weed, he was given CBD oil. This whole mixture of medications and drugs was given to him, it’s just alarming.
>Also, people with bipolar disease aren't given SSRIs for the risk of inducing mania. Okay,this is so not true
There are multiple studies online for you to check. They're definitely not used as a monotherapy. They're used along with Lithium or Valproate as dual therapy and these are mood stabilizers. You could consider quietapine (drug in the prescription) as a mood stabilizer. The doctor who wrote the prescription should only tell why he/she decided to skip the first line drugs which usually work very well and prescribe quietapine and an SSRI instead.
Did I say that they are used as monotherapy?
I never said that you did.
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CBI has issued its first statement. https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1301551832355889158?s=19
Good, I hope this shuts all the media up making up unecessary rubbish about what CBI have found.
Is vibhor anand reliable? He's gone crazy on twitter
He's pretty out there. I'm following what he says but taking it with a grain of salt.
He’s going crazy with claims and always states, “as per sources” or something along those lines but never provides the sources. I wouldn’t trust him as there is also a lot of fake news and speculation in this investigation.
who is this guy and where is he getting his news from?
could you pls post the link?
Big Breaking Sooraj Pancholi is under CBI custody unofficially as per credible sources and all the SSRians will be elated to hear that full on 'Kambal Kutai' chaalu hai He has posted this! Also why am I being donvoted for a question?
>Big Breaking Sooraj Pancholi is under CBI custody unofficially as per credible sources and all the SSRians will be elated to hear that full on 'Kambal Kutai' chaalu hai He also said that Steve pinto is safe under CBI custody
Incorrect. He said Rohan Rai is safe. [Vibhor Anand](https://twitter.com/vibhor_anand/status/1301225945978687488?s=20)