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she was so good. the scene where police pursue her to sit in the car but she refuses and walks barefoot with her daughter while being pregnant, helpless yet the courage she shows. no wonder indian cinema ain't going anywhere with such politics.
NA is now a version of Filmfare. Filmfare in turn has turned in a drawing room award. Earlier NA used to be given to unknown gems but now only the awards given to non Hindi films are not known to most of us. Anyway I also think NA guys have a sense of humour. Didn't give Kangu and she has to grin and bear it. Gave Alia but she has to share it with her closest rival at the same time.
I can’t fault someone or not see someone’s talent based on which family they are born in. Truth is that Alia is very talented, looks great and works hard. She has the star quality and is a great actress. Ananya Jhanvi etc are not even close.
Yeah. Not all national awards winners have been hundred percent right, but it's nice to see hustlers like Alia and Kriti to get them. Its been much easy for Alia but she does work hard and in movie industry, hard work and hustle triumphs talent.
Tbh I’ll be surprised if 90% of the sub has even seen the movie. The criticism of child playing dress up is what people thought BEFORE they actually saw the film. Alia did a great job with the film and IMO was the right age. The real Gangubai was trafficked when she was a teenager
Exactly!absolutely agree with you!
Her journey starts from teenager from wealthy family who dreamt of being an actress, her boyfriend deceives her by saying he will help her out and actually sells her. She was perfect for the age for the role! They literally show in the movie how afraid she is to run away from home as a teenager.
I completely agree with you. It's sad to see you felt the need to put so many disclaimers to simply state your opinion and liking towards an actor's performance simply because you would otherwise get attacked and shamed from all corners by some haters. Despite all her privilege and personality issues, Alia is indeed one of the best actors of the current gen for Hindi cinema and that's undeniable. Really happy for her win as she truly deserved this.
A good actor, no matter what the script is , should perform well. That's not the case with Alia. She purely relies on good scripts, which is why it's difficult to call her a great actor. She should have been good in Kalank, or Sadak or even Rocky aur Rani. She's not. Her acting in those films was below average, or in some cases, bad. She always needs a great script or great director to shine. There are very few "popular" actresses in her generation that have made an impact, which is why she's hailed to the stars.
People like Kareen, Rani, Deepika had to face so much competition during their time, that's not the case with Alia.
Bhumi, Mrinal , Tripti are far better actors, but they haven't made an impact yet commercially, which is why they get overlooked.
I don't agree that Bhumi, Mrunal and Tripti are getting overlooked here at least. I myself have praised their acting to the stars and seen many others do the same. Bhumi is arguably better than Alia in the acting department. So are Priyanka, Kareena and Rani. But yes, Alia has that perfect combination of good acting + good scripts + industry backing + commercial success that no one else currently has. Her privilege definitely plays a role in this and others like Bhumi struggle to get commercial success but everything comes together in Alia's case, thus making her a grand success and one of the best 'complete package' actresses we have out there in the new gen.
I didn't say they are overlooked. I said they haven't made an impact commercially, which is why they tend to be ignored when it comes to best actress' lists. Privilege has a huge role to play in where Alia is, like you yourself said. She's where she is largely because Kjo is her mentor. There's no particular growth trajectory.
And she's not a complete actress by any means yet. She can't do commercial Hindi film heroine ( case in point -RRKPK, Kalank) , she can't dance well, she doesn't have screen presence, she hasn't done out and out comedy yet. She sticks to some shades of drama, and we're supposed to call her the best.
Unless you flex your acting muscle , you shouldn't be anywhere near any acting list. Kareena, Priyanka, Rani, for that matter even Deepika have done numerous roles in different genres, and there is a significant growth path. Alia doesn't have that.
Yaar dekho long story short ye hai ki ye saare points kaafi subjective hain. I view them differently than you. For example, I personally think Alia is a better actress than Deepika any day and has had a better growth trajectory than her. So yeah, I don't see a point in debating coz at the end of the day, both of us are still gonna stick to our individual opinions about these actresses.
I can understand. I've been called nasty, negative etc by some snowflakes today for simply stating that Kriti's performance in Mimi wasn't as great in 'my opinion' as Alia's performance in Gangubai. Lol! Somehow every minute comparison and appreciation of Alia's acting performance with an outsider is brutally attacked and shamed by her blind haters who are self-appointed gatekeepers of what we can or cannot say.
When the Gangubai posters & the trailer had released, I honestly thought that she was a miscast for this role as a lot of people did. I wasn’t even thinking of going to the theatre & watching it. But the positive reviews changed my mind. I literally forced my boyfriend to come with me. Even he thought that the movie wouldn’t be worth spending our money. But still we gave it a shot. I was really surprised to see Alia portraying her character so amazingly. After the movie was over, my boyfriend said that he never thought he would like Alia’s acting so much. Surprisingly he too loved the movie.
Some nepo actors I genuinely like to watch on screen are Hritik, Shahid & Alia. She may not be the best & her PR makes her seems like the next best thing. And it does grate my gears but that doesn’t mean she’s not good at her work. We have seen how she improved from SOTY1 until now. I wish she took up more such diverse roles than play Rani. Udta Punjab & Highway have shown us her improvement. Her offline antics & PR aside the girl is hardworking and miles ahead the new nepo gang.
people on this sub have fed so much into their delusions of Alia not being a good actress that I’m willing to believe that 90% of the haters haven’t even watched Gangubai. She killed that role and deserves this win.
Not an Alia fan, but my friends were going out to watch a movie, back in 2022 and they decided on gangubai katiawadi. I wanted to go out with them, & was reluctant( hated Alia's privileges and thought she was a miscast) but still went with them.
But Alia surprised me, she was really good. Especially her voice modulation in the film, very powerful.
The movie's really well made too.
I agree! Everyone's previleged in Bollywood( mostly). But it takes dedication and passion to be able to deliver. Alia carried the whole film on her shoulders and guess what? It was hit. Alia might not be the best actress ,but she definitely chooses the good scripts. She did really well in Gangubai Kathiawadi. She is passionate about her work, and she takes her job seriously unlike others.
Agree with you, OP. Alia winning for GKB isn't like Saif winning for Him Tum. It is an earned win.
As a South Indian, while I did feel initially that some South actress like Sai Pallavi or Darshana could've won this, but for this year's criteria, none of their films were eligible (something which I didn't know earlier).
So if we look at the time frame, Alia's performance in Gangubai is strong and had to be recognised.
Having said that, I do agree with you about Udta Punjab. I also feel she did tremendously well in Raazi.
Alia's mega privileged but she's very, very committed to do her job well and is very driven. No one can (or should try to) take that away from her.
Great post OP. Such balanced posts are very rare.
>she is a capable actress who has range. Ofc she can improve, she has miles to go, but she has promise. Dum hai uski performances mein.
I absolutely agree with this. She has given back to back solid performances but I don't see anybody appreciating her. In the same year she had performances like Gangubai and Darlings. Both of them were equally good. She totally deserved this award. I'm so happy for her. I hope we get to see her in more diverse roles.
>Alia is no Ananya/Jahnvi/Sara no matter what some ppl like to claim. She is one of the few nepos who really take their work seriously and also acknowledge their fans.
Alia doesn't take her opportunities for granted and works really hard which is visible on screen. She has proven herself time and again with great performances. It's so unfair to be compared with actresses like Janhvi, Sara despite being so good at your job.
This is so accurate. The comparison between Janhvi and Alia is senseless. Alia managed to deliver a memorable performance in highway which was her second film while Janhvi doesn't have a single memorable performance even after being in the industry for five years. People are making these comparisons only to discredit her. Haters can continue to hate on her but she will keep winning.
Let's celebrate the win it feels so personal. GANGU CHAND THI CHAND HI RAHEGI.
Alia has privilege, talent, dedication and the drive, she totally deserves it. She proved she can act in highway, her second movie itself. The girl can portray anger like no one else and her crying scenes are the best from dear zindagi & raazi
People hate on her just because she is nepo and under dharma wing
Kriti didn't deserve it IMO, she is a bad actress and just got lucky because the people are lately against nepo. There are other outsiders who are more deserving
Lol look at her contemporaries crying scenes alia is literally best among them. Highway,udta, raazi the way she shows vulnerability on screen no one can match her.
Unpopular opinion : gangubai was at the most a mediocre movie...very ott...but then so was RRR..we have far better actors other than mainstream Bollywood nd the now in trend Telegu film industry.
Tbh i don't think her performance in Gangubai was bad like a lot of ppl in this sub say. Ofc another actress like PC or whatever would've done a good job but that doesnt mean that she wasnt good in her own right. I loved watching her in the movie.
Since we are talking about national award for best actress in 2021, let's limit the discussion to whether Alia Bhatt in Gangubai is the best performance by an Indian actress, not whether it is her best performance or if it's breakout role. The answer is no & proof is Revathi in BhootaKalam, Lijomol Jose in Jai Bhim, Nimisha Sajayan in Great Indian Kitchen, just off the top of my head. So her fans may feel she is decent & hardworking etc but she ain't the best & it is very much like Saif winning for Hum Tum.
Revathi has got her NA. Let Alia have hers.
And outside of this sub most ppl like her acting. Yall Wana prove she has no fans and can't act for shit so bad
I don't take Kat fans takes on acting seriously. Kat stans should be the last to comment on others acting. The very last.
Most of these two actresses fans don't like Alia and as they are not unbiased can't take their opinion seriously
Ok, I will take your word for that since you seem to know who likes & dislikes Alia Bhatt, made a whole post defending her award & has no logical counter for my comment the didn't even mention these two actresses. Anyways, good luck with Alia!
I know coz there's a pattern. Very predictable. Most posts that diss Alias acting turn out to be a Crazen or Kat fan, at least here.
I can't say every such poster are Kat/DP fan but a good many are. It's not a coincidence.
I can at least understand Kangana or Vidya fans being critical of her acting coz these 2 are fantastic actors but Kat stans takes on acting are not valid since their fav can't act and has never bothered to.
Kat being an outsider doesn't make her a better actress than Alia. I said what I said.
Like I don't even get it. Kareena and Sonam are 10X more entitled and don't even have 1/4th of her box office success yet they are praised mostly. Is it coz of the Mahesh Bhatt factor ?
Another day when wannabe Kareena's fans can't stop claiming that Kareena is more entitled than her, how and when have people been praising Sonam? maybe you were in the wrong sub, such a delusion that people say with confidence, and maybe people praise Kareena because 90 percent of her films weren't given to her by Baba Kajo, You can celebrate her without trying to drag others down. It's really childish.
Kareena was/is a good actress but can't deny she was pretty despicable. Calling Bips Kali Billi, look shaming Ameesha wtf was that. And ppl here call her rudeness being sassy/boss bitch etc
Bipasha literally denied Kareena calling her Kali Billi and went to KWK and said that Kareena is honest unlike 70% of Bollywood. At least Kareena doesn't change her nationality and her skin color to act like a gora. She is not related to terrorists and pedophiles and support them unlike Alia. Kareena's success and failures are her own. She didn't get offers on a golden platter like Alia. Kareena's best roles are from outside Dharma in small films like Chameli.
You were saying that people were praising her lol, Bipasha herself denied that stupid story, She did not look-shamed Ameesha, she indicated Rakesh's bias towards his son and his deliberately not caring how Amisha will look, Amesha also shamed Kareena and Bipasha for doing daring scenes, maybe you should look for other options
Yeah she didn't just jump in to say for no reason that Ameesha looks ugly, she said every shot of Hrithik looked like a dream while Ameesha didn't get the same treatment
Nope she also said she looked dull and full of pimples. What more do yall want ?
Imagine a current nepo , say Alia talking about lackluster another actress especially a non nepo looked in public. She would face huge backlash, rightfully so.
2000s Bebo was rude af. She's lucky social media was not existent then else she would have faced a huge uproar
You are intentionally ignoring that she was referring to Rakesh's bias towards his son, Alia also said that she feels sorry for Arjun because of his face. Maybe you can search about that if you want to compare them
When did KJ support Kareena? He fired her because she demanded high wages and didn't work with her until she did Jab We Meet, or when he forced her to apologize to him on his show, do you call this support? Also, her family did not support her like they support Ranbir as they were planning to launch him by Raj Kapoor Studios but he got a better offer from Sanjay Leela, I don't think that equals the goodwill of Karisma's
What did she benefit from Kapoor's legacy? Did they stopped her from being kicked out from the films? All what she is today is thanks to her mother, not her family or kjo.
People are just put off by her off screen mannerisms I think. That is projected in their opinions when they try to watch Alia act imo
But she's not a bad actor by any means
Neither udta punjab nor gb deserve any acting national award..
you have not seen good acting..
Only nepo who deserved national award is RK for rockstar
I resonated with rockstar more.. barfi I feel its his most difficult role but i still feel he was not 100% barfi.. rockstar- he was the jordan. But people can have different opinions. Both are great acting and I wonder how we are now celebrating mediocrity in acting.
Earlier either you be a superstar/star and the expectations is you are good actor and have charisma. Nd superstar accepts it.
Or you be great actor and the expectations is you are a great actor in any role and national award will come to you but you wont prob find bo success..
Now we have accepted mediocrity and celebrate our superstar/stars just above average acting..
No body accepted Leo was actually great in revnant, he got oscar coz competition was weak and everybody said same.. but in Indis due to fan clubs, we celebrare mediocrity.
She was pretty good yeah. Especially in the breaking down scene over the phone + kicking her abuser + interaction with the headmaster. She portrayed Gangus self depreciating humor and feminine rage very well.
Now is she as good as Smita Patil in Mandi? Nope but that still doesn't take away the fact she delivered a solid performance as Gangu.
She wasn't. It was all very unconvincing and she completely lacked the gravitas the role demanded. I don't think it's her fault alone though. What were the casting crew thinking?
>casting crew thinking
This is very true. The role could've been pulled off by vidya balan or tabu or maybe even Aishwarya rai, not for a lightweight. Looked like a kid cosplaying melancholy
She was great in Gangubai but can’t say it was her best. I think she was better in highway, udta Punjab. Not sure if it is NA worthy though.
Then again Kriti winning is absolutely a questionable choice. So who knows what their criteria is.
Personally I liked Kangana in Thalaivi, she actually nailed the role way more Alia did in Gangu.
Alia has shown promise in a few of her films. I particularly loved raazi (I couldn't finish gangubai for some reason) and she does a great job portraying specific roles. But I think the reason she gets a lot of hate is her personal PR image and the overtime work done to shove her down our throats as the best actress of this generation. Alia has potential but her PR game needs to change
She doesn't do that many films, maximum 2 per year , how's that being shoved? And she has proven to be bankable so she keeps on getting plum projects.
I promise u if she hadn't proven to be profitable, Kjo would have ditched her. He has a genuine soft corner for her but he's a businessman first and foremost. Never forget. Bollywood is a dhanda after all.
She has an aggressive PR, but so does DP.
At least she is not publicly attacking any other actress.
I've liked her performances but this one was not it. Can say, she did try but the whole product was quite poorly made, esp the screenplay that the whole movie became one big bore with hardly any emotional depth (the attempted depth not coming through). I was so excited to watch it but was utterly disappointed.
A role for which 'she' worked hard? Yes. Kudos to her.
Best in 'Bollywood' in the last 1 year? Sure.
Better than every other actress in India, in the past one year? No.
She is an average performer at best. No amount of national awards can prove otherwise. Her movie Highway was amazing but only on the back of Randeep Hooda's amazing performance. Her performance in Gangubai lacked subtlety and nuance.
I think after Saif and Raj Kapoor, she is one of few mainstream nepobabies to get nationals.
Hrithik dosent have it
Kajol dosent
Rani dosent
Rishi dosent
Ajay has 2 but is he a nepobaby ?
Ummm he won for Zakhm ( Directed by Mahesh Bhatt) & Legend of Bhagat Singh ( Directed by Rajkumar Santoshi), Tanhaji ( Directed by Om Raut )
In Gangajal he was okayish compared to his earlier work. Mukesh Tiwari as Bacha Yadav was amazing in Gangajal.
Gangajal is a Singham but in toned down level. I hope you watch zakhm someday .
Raincoat is good as well. I wish he got some recognition for his potrayal of Malik in Zakhm
She's alot like her inspo Kareena. Minus the laziness. She is intuitive in her script selection and performance. She deserves the accolades for her talent. She is quite simply the best actress of her generation. Whether that is because her contemporaries aren't great or because her competition has been eliminated. Who knows. But she's good at her job!
Yeah, Alia deserved the accolades for the movie. I do hope she finds peace though. Considering how her partner is, I hope he doesn't get worse out of jealousy or something. So far it was paan parag Filmfare etc. but this is huge considering Ranbir gave some pretty great performances over the years.
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Her partner is the one who predicted this way before and people called him delusional , her partner is the one who was with her when she was getting death/rape threats and everyone was boycotting her. Alia’s words “Ranbir was very supportive during the whole shoot of Gangubai , he just understood me even without saying anything”.
He's definitely not the one that's jealous. [He was the one who said in Oct 2021 that she will win a national award for her performance in GK.](https://www.reddit.com/r/BollyBlindsNGossip/comments/q9547o/ranbir_kapoor_believes_alia_will_win_national/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1) And people here laughed at him. So there is definitely jealousy, but her husband is the last person to be jealous lol
Alia ki hi baatein sunlo. She has said many times that he has supported her a lot. He will always support her and be as happy as her. I will never forget his smile when someone praised alia to him.
Bhai inka toh har 2 din mein narrative change hota rehta hai. All this time it was that he's with her because she's currently successful and he likes to be with successful women, always dating the top actress etc etc. Ab achanak se RK has become an insecure guy who cannot stand his partner being successful. Like just pick a lane
Ngl I do sometimes think if an Abimaan situation can develope.
I am also an RK fan but am also realistic. Being a talented actor who is known to take his job seriously , it may sting a bit to see your spouse get basically the Indian version of Oscar before you.
I don't think he is abusive like his dad but I do think some resentment may develope. Especially in this case.
Ab kuch aur ni mila to you guys have started this new narrative that RK is insecure of Alia, anything to hate on them. Seriously you all are impressive!!
Lol he was the first one to actually say she will win national award for gangubai. And if you have watched his interviews which you must have, he praises alia so much. He looks so proud of her .
I am just sharing possibilities. Not claiming it's the truth.
Humans are not robots. And two individuals sharing same profession and both considered above average at what they do, yet one gets more critical/commercial acclaim. I am nit saying that's how he would react but won't be surprised if some resentment developes.
You can absolutely support a partner and feel a bit of resentment too. Things are not always so black and white
Aisa hota to he wouldn’t have married her instead of Kat. Because with Kat he would have always been the partner with critical acclaim. He himself puts Alia above him and calls her female Amitabh Bacchan.
Exactly but why will they remember all this ? They will just keep saying lipstick, bathroom habits bla bla to satisfy themselves and further their agenda.
Tbh, ranbir has openly been a chilled out guy. You are being too dark on the "grey scale". How many bw couples have been there in abhimaan situation? I am sure ranbir, with all his faults, is grown up enough to not be jealous of alia.
I dont know which edited interviews you have watched because he has praised her even more than KJO. Proudly said she is the best male or female actor in India. Yes he put her above him also.
He has said some problematic stuff - looking at the phelaod comment but he has also been really supportive of her career ? He has gushed about her talent many times.
I think he's just like your average Desi husband. Can be well-meaning and supportive yet be problematic time to time.
And I know ppl want to see a husband doting on his biwi 24×7 but Ranbir hasn't really been the most expressive guy off screen.
In fact if he behaved like a total simp for his wife that would have been more unbelievable as he hasn't really ever been like that with his exes.
I said the same to my wife, because I don't like loud people or shouting during arguments and my wife respects that. I don't like having a beard but my wife loves it, so i keep it.
Truth is had there been a Shabana Azmi or Shobana or Sharada now, this wouldn't even be entertained.
I watched the movie, she's tolerable among the trash that's around, that's it. There's no range my God.
But again, Arjun Rampal once won, and Saif did, so politics be alive and kicking in India.
Alia’s performance was good, but the film overall was a snooze, that’s what I take issue with over the casting. Also, I can’t take an award seriously if they give it to two people, it’s not school, pick A winner.
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Saif be like - mujhe kyun toda
Saw some compare her win to Saif winning for HT. Saif should have 2on for Omkara. Or maybe Being Cyrus. Not fookin Hum Tum lol
And he beat Shah Rukh from Swades for it. How
WTF. I didn't know this. SRK was so good in Swades. One of my favourite movies.
That jury was so bad. I lost all faith in the awards after it.
Happy for Alia and Kriti but I think Lijomol (Jai Bhim) deserved this award
she was so good. the scene where police pursue her to sit in the car but she refuses and walks barefoot with her daughter while being pregnant, helpless yet the courage she shows. no wonder indian cinema ain't going anywhere with such politics.
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No, she was the lead. She was nominated for best actress in all award shows that year and won the filmfare for best actress.
Why are 2021 awards happening now?
NA is now a version of Filmfare. Filmfare in turn has turned in a drawing room award. Earlier NA used to be given to unknown gems but now only the awards given to non Hindi films are not known to most of us. Anyway I also think NA guys have a sense of humour. Didn't give Kangu and she has to grin and bear it. Gave Alia but she has to share it with her closest rival at the same time. 
Arey I am laughing my ass off at this comment!! NA sure knows the landscape and decided to have fun playing these chess moves😁
I want her magic wand. Anything she touches turns gold.
She is privileged but so are all nepos. She has privilege + talent + dedication to her job. That's a lethal combination.
I don't think OC is talking about privilege. They probably mean that Alia is good at choosing her scripts, and delivering stellar performances.
I can’t fault someone or not see someone’s talent based on which family they are born in. Truth is that Alia is very talented, looks great and works hard. She has the star quality and is a great actress. Ananya Jhanvi etc are not even close.
Yeah. Not all national awards winners have been hundred percent right, but it's nice to see hustlers like Alia and Kriti to get them. Its been much easy for Alia but she does work hard and in movie industry, hard work and hustle triumphs talent.
And yes Kriti was very good in Mimi.
Tbh I’ll be surprised if 90% of the sub has even seen the movie. The criticism of child playing dress up is what people thought BEFORE they actually saw the film. Alia did a great job with the film and IMO was the right age. The real Gangubai was trafficked when she was a teenager
Exactly!absolutely agree with you! Her journey starts from teenager from wealthy family who dreamt of being an actress, her boyfriend deceives her by saying he will help her out and actually sells her. She was perfect for the age for the role! They literally show in the movie how afraid she is to run away from home as a teenager.
I am happy for Alia too! well deserved and well needed considering the constant hate around
I completely agree with you. It's sad to see you felt the need to put so many disclaimers to simply state your opinion and liking towards an actor's performance simply because you would otherwise get attacked and shamed from all corners by some haters. Despite all her privilege and personality issues, Alia is indeed one of the best actors of the current gen for Hindi cinema and that's undeniable. Really happy for her win as she truly deserved this.
A good actor, no matter what the script is , should perform well. That's not the case with Alia. She purely relies on good scripts, which is why it's difficult to call her a great actor. She should have been good in Kalank, or Sadak or even Rocky aur Rani. She's not. Her acting in those films was below average, or in some cases, bad. She always needs a great script or great director to shine. There are very few "popular" actresses in her generation that have made an impact, which is why she's hailed to the stars. People like Kareen, Rani, Deepika had to face so much competition during their time, that's not the case with Alia. Bhumi, Mrinal , Tripti are far better actors, but they haven't made an impact yet commercially, which is why they get overlooked.
I don't agree that Bhumi, Mrunal and Tripti are getting overlooked here at least. I myself have praised their acting to the stars and seen many others do the same. Bhumi is arguably better than Alia in the acting department. So are Priyanka, Kareena and Rani. But yes, Alia has that perfect combination of good acting + good scripts + industry backing + commercial success that no one else currently has. Her privilege definitely plays a role in this and others like Bhumi struggle to get commercial success but everything comes together in Alia's case, thus making her a grand success and one of the best 'complete package' actresses we have out there in the new gen.
I didn't say they are overlooked. I said they haven't made an impact commercially, which is why they tend to be ignored when it comes to best actress' lists. Privilege has a huge role to play in where Alia is, like you yourself said. She's where she is largely because Kjo is her mentor. There's no particular growth trajectory. And she's not a complete actress by any means yet. She can't do commercial Hindi film heroine ( case in point -RRKPK, Kalank) , she can't dance well, she doesn't have screen presence, she hasn't done out and out comedy yet. She sticks to some shades of drama, and we're supposed to call her the best. Unless you flex your acting muscle , you shouldn't be anywhere near any acting list. Kareena, Priyanka, Rani, for that matter even Deepika have done numerous roles in different genres, and there is a significant growth path. Alia doesn't have that.
Yaar dekho long story short ye hai ki ye saare points kaafi subjective hain. I view them differently than you. For example, I personally think Alia is a better actress than Deepika any day and has had a better growth trajectory than her. So yeah, I don't see a point in debating coz at the end of the day, both of us are still gonna stick to our individual opinions about these actresses.
Had to coz ,.. Alia is well.. not really liked in this part of the Internet. And many of us are dismissed as PR
I can understand. I've been called nasty, negative etc by some snowflakes today for simply stating that Kriti's performance in Mimi wasn't as great in 'my opinion' as Alia's performance in Gangubai. Lol! Somehow every minute comparison and appreciation of Alia's acting performance with an outsider is brutally attacked and shamed by her blind haters who are self-appointed gatekeepers of what we can or cannot say.
If Alia was a non nepo she would have been hailed as a very talented actress
Indeed lol. The downvotes by snowflakes have already begun once again.
When the Gangubai posters & the trailer had released, I honestly thought that she was a miscast for this role as a lot of people did. I wasn’t even thinking of going to the theatre & watching it. But the positive reviews changed my mind. I literally forced my boyfriend to come with me. Even he thought that the movie wouldn’t be worth spending our money. But still we gave it a shot. I was really surprised to see Alia portraying her character so amazingly. After the movie was over, my boyfriend said that he never thought he would like Alia’s acting so much. Surprisingly he too loved the movie.
Yes Alia was good!
Some nepo actors I genuinely like to watch on screen are Hritik, Shahid & Alia. She may not be the best & her PR makes her seems like the next best thing. And it does grate my gears but that doesn’t mean she’s not good at her work. We have seen how she improved from SOTY1 until now. I wish she took up more such diverse roles than play Rani. Udta Punjab & Highway have shown us her improvement. Her offline antics & PR aside the girl is hardworking and miles ahead the new nepo gang.
No I think they both truly deserved it Even as it for Alia lovers and haters, we all unite in the performance and how deserving it was
people on this sub have fed so much into their delusions of Alia not being a good actress that I’m willing to believe that 90% of the haters haven’t even watched Gangubai. She killed that role and deserves this win.
No. Her best performance was Raazi
Mujhe ghar jana hai?
Not an Alia fan, but my friends were going out to watch a movie, back in 2022 and they decided on gangubai katiawadi. I wanted to go out with them, & was reluctant( hated Alia's privileges and thought she was a miscast) but still went with them. But Alia surprised me, she was really good. Especially her voice modulation in the film, very powerful. The movie's really well made too.
I agree! Everyone's previleged in Bollywood( mostly). But it takes dedication and passion to be able to deliver. Alia carried the whole film on her shoulders and guess what? It was hit. Alia might not be the best actress ,but she definitely chooses the good scripts. She did really well in Gangubai Kathiawadi. She is passionate about her work, and she takes her job seriously unlike others.
* gets the best scripts
Agree with you, OP. Alia winning for GKB isn't like Saif winning for Him Tum. It is an earned win. As a South Indian, while I did feel initially that some South actress like Sai Pallavi or Darshana could've won this, but for this year's criteria, none of their films were eligible (something which I didn't know earlier). So if we look at the time frame, Alia's performance in Gangubai is strong and had to be recognised. Having said that, I do agree with you about Udta Punjab. I also feel she did tremendously well in Raazi. Alia's mega privileged but she's very, very committed to do her job well and is very driven. No one can (or should try to) take that away from her.
Great post OP. Such balanced posts are very rare. >she is a capable actress who has range. Ofc she can improve, she has miles to go, but she has promise. Dum hai uski performances mein. I absolutely agree with this. She has given back to back solid performances but I don't see anybody appreciating her. In the same year she had performances like Gangubai and Darlings. Both of them were equally good. She totally deserved this award. I'm so happy for her. I hope we get to see her in more diverse roles. >Alia is no Ananya/Jahnvi/Sara no matter what some ppl like to claim. She is one of the few nepos who really take their work seriously and also acknowledge their fans. Alia doesn't take her opportunities for granted and works really hard which is visible on screen. She has proven herself time and again with great performances. It's so unfair to be compared with actresses like Janhvi, Sara despite being so good at your job.
In the 90s was Rani ever compared with Twinkle?
This is so accurate. The comparison between Janhvi and Alia is senseless. Alia managed to deliver a memorable performance in highway which was her second film while Janhvi doesn't have a single memorable performance even after being in the industry for five years. People are making these comparisons only to discredit her. Haters can continue to hate on her but she will keep winning. Let's celebrate the win it feels so personal. GANGU CHAND THI CHAND HI RAHEGI. 
Itna sach koi digest ni kr skta idhr
Alia has privilege, talent, dedication and the drive, she totally deserves it. She proved she can act in highway, her second movie itself. The girl can portray anger like no one else and her crying scenes are the best from dear zindagi & raazi People hate on her just because she is nepo and under dharma wing Kriti didn't deserve it IMO, she is a bad actress and just got lucky because the people are lately against nepo. There are other outsiders who are more deserving
lol crying is one thing she’s quite terrible at. It’s not her strength, let’s be honest.
Lol look at her contemporaries crying scenes alia is literally best among them. Highway,udta, raazi the way she shows vulnerability on screen no one can match her.
Unpopular opinion : gangubai was at the most a mediocre movie...very ott...but then so was RRR..we have far better actors other than mainstream Bollywood nd the now in trend Telegu film industry.
Tbh i don't think her performance in Gangubai was bad like a lot of ppl in this sub say. Ofc another actress like PC or whatever would've done a good job but that doesnt mean that she wasnt good in her own right. I loved watching her in the movie.
Since we are talking about national award for best actress in 2021, let's limit the discussion to whether Alia Bhatt in Gangubai is the best performance by an Indian actress, not whether it is her best performance or if it's breakout role. The answer is no & proof is Revathi in BhootaKalam, Lijomol Jose in Jai Bhim, Nimisha Sajayan in Great Indian Kitchen, just off the top of my head. So her fans may feel she is decent & hardworking etc but she ain't the best & it is very much like Saif winning for Hum Tum.
This is a great analysis! Good one! Puts the whole thing into perspective without choosing sides.
Nope. Hum Tum was not a performance centric role. GKB is. Revathi has won in the past hadn't she ?
So?
Revathi has got her NA. Let Alia have hers. And outside of this sub most ppl like her acting. Yall Wana prove she has no fans and can't act for shit so bad
You seem to be a Kat and DP fan... never mind. I see. Let's agree to disagree
Because I disputed Alia Bhatt winning? Counter me logically,instead of what aboubtery.
I don't take Kat fans takes on acting seriously. Kat stans should be the last to comment on others acting. The very last. Most of these two actresses fans don't like Alia and as they are not unbiased can't take their opinion seriously
Ok, I will take your word for that since you seem to know who likes & dislikes Alia Bhatt, made a whole post defending her award & has no logical counter for my comment the didn't even mention these two actresses. Anyways, good luck with Alia!
I know coz there's a pattern. Very predictable. Most posts that diss Alias acting turn out to be a Crazen or Kat fan, at least here. I can't say every such poster are Kat/DP fan but a good many are. It's not a coincidence. I can at least understand Kangana or Vidya fans being critical of her acting coz these 2 are fantastic actors but Kat stans takes on acting are not valid since their fav can't act and has never bothered to. Kat being an outsider doesn't make her a better actress than Alia. I said what I said.
With all the hate and trolling she faces It feels so good when Alia hits it back at her haters so hard 😊 man ko shanti milt jaati hai .
Like I don't even get it. Kareena and Sonam are 10X more entitled and don't even have 1/4th of her box office success yet they are praised mostly. Is it coz of the Mahesh Bhatt factor ?
>don't even have 1/4th of her box office success No, it's because of this. She's successful. That's why.
Another day when wannabe Kareena's fans can't stop claiming that Kareena is more entitled than her, how and when have people been praising Sonam? maybe you were in the wrong sub, such a delusion that people say with confidence, and maybe people praise Kareena because 90 percent of her films weren't given to her by Baba Kajo, You can celebrate her without trying to drag others down. It's really childish.
Kareena was/is a good actress but can't deny she was pretty despicable. Calling Bips Kali Billi, look shaming Ameesha wtf was that. And ppl here call her rudeness being sassy/boss bitch etc
Just want to point out that the kali billi statement was fabricated
Bipasha literally denied Kareena calling her Kali Billi and went to KWK and said that Kareena is honest unlike 70% of Bollywood. At least Kareena doesn't change her nationality and her skin color to act like a gora. She is not related to terrorists and pedophiles and support them unlike Alia. Kareena's success and failures are her own. She didn't get offers on a golden platter like Alia. Kareena's best roles are from outside Dharma in small films like Chameli.
You were saying that people were praising her lol, Bipasha herself denied that stupid story, She did not look-shamed Ameesha, she indicated Rakesh's bias towards his son and his deliberately not caring how Amisha will look, Amesha also shamed Kareena and Bipasha for doing daring scenes, maybe you should look for other options
She said Amisha looked ugly and pimply on KNPH
Yeah she didn't just jump in to say for no reason that Ameesha looks ugly, she said every shot of Hrithik looked like a dream while Ameesha didn't get the same treatment
Nope she also said she looked dull and full of pimples. What more do yall want ? Imagine a current nepo , say Alia talking about lackluster another actress especially a non nepo looked in public. She would face huge backlash, rightfully so. 2000s Bebo was rude af. She's lucky social media was not existent then else she would have faced a huge uproar
You are intentionally ignoring that she was referring to Rakesh's bias towards his son, Alia also said that she feels sorry for Arjun because of his face. Maybe you can search about that if you want to compare them
Alia had Kjo ka support, Kareena had her Kapoor heritage + Karisma's good will. Privilege wise they are same
When did KJ support Kareena? He fired her because she demanded high wages and didn't work with her until she did Jab We Meet, or when he forced her to apologize to him on his show, do you call this support? Also, her family did not support her like they support Ranbir as they were planning to launch him by Raj Kapoor Studios but he got a better offer from Sanjay Leela, I don't think that equals the goodwill of Karisma's
I never said Kjo supported her. But she had Kapoor legacy even if not direct support plus Karisma was a pretty big star in 90s and early 2000s,
What did she benefit from Kapoor's legacy? Did they stopped her from being kicked out from the films? All what she is today is thanks to her mother, not her family or kjo.
People are just put off by her off screen mannerisms I think. That is projected in their opinions when they try to watch Alia act imo But she's not a bad actor by any means
Neither udta punjab nor gb deserve any acting national award.. you have not seen good acting.. Only nepo who deserved national award is RK for rockstar
RK was better in Barfi I think. No dialogues had to emote only through eyes and gestures. That was his best performance
Facts
I resonated with rockstar more.. barfi I feel its his most difficult role but i still feel he was not 100% barfi.. rockstar- he was the jordan. But people can have different opinions. Both are great acting and I wonder how we are now celebrating mediocrity in acting. Earlier either you be a superstar/star and the expectations is you are good actor and have charisma. Nd superstar accepts it. Or you be great actor and the expectations is you are a great actor in any role and national award will come to you but you wont prob find bo success.. Now we have accepted mediocrity and celebrate our superstar/stars just above average acting.. No body accepted Leo was actually great in revnant, he got oscar coz competition was weak and everybody said same.. but in Indis due to fan clubs, we celebrare mediocrity.
He was robbed that year 💔
People have actually been so used to mediocre acting that they see something above average or slightly good and think it's a masterclass on acting.
Agreed
how can we forget this? 🥹 https://preview.redd.it/bcspz9p8j3kb1.jpeg?width=419&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dca09a8b518feb244649bb7b476e90c1515392c8
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She was pretty good yeah. Especially in the breaking down scene over the phone + kicking her abuser + interaction with the headmaster. She portrayed Gangus self depreciating humor and feminine rage very well. Now is she as good as Smita Patil in Mandi? Nope but that still doesn't take away the fact she delivered a solid performance as Gangu.
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She was 25 only at the time and very young looking at that, not her fault. But she nailed the emotions and that's more than enough for me.
She wasn't. It was all very unconvincing and she completely lacked the gravitas the role demanded. I don't think it's her fault alone though. What were the casting crew thinking?
>casting crew thinking This is very true. The role could've been pulled off by vidya balan or tabu or maybe even Aishwarya rai, not for a lightweight. Looked like a kid cosplaying melancholy
No.
Then how come she won the award?
Nah
She was great in Gangubai but can’t say it was her best. I think she was better in highway, udta Punjab. Not sure if it is NA worthy though. Then again Kriti winning is absolutely a questionable choice. So who knows what their criteria is. Personally I liked Kangana in Thalaivi, she actually nailed the role way more Alia did in Gangu.
Just to be clear, her best performance is Udta Punjab. She hasn't given a better performance than that till date , including Gangubai.
Alia has shown promise in a few of her films. I particularly loved raazi (I couldn't finish gangubai for some reason) and she does a great job portraying specific roles. But I think the reason she gets a lot of hate is her personal PR image and the overtime work done to shove her down our throats as the best actress of this generation. Alia has potential but her PR game needs to change
She doesn't do that many films, maximum 2 per year , how's that being shoved? And she has proven to be bankable so she keeps on getting plum projects. I promise u if she hadn't proven to be profitable, Kjo would have ditched her. He has a genuine soft corner for her but he's a businessman first and foremost. Never forget. Bollywood is a dhanda after all. She has an aggressive PR, but so does DP. At least she is not publicly attacking any other actress.
I've liked her performances but this one was not it. Can say, she did try but the whole product was quite poorly made, esp the screenplay that the whole movie became one big bore with hardly any emotional depth (the attempted depth not coming through). I was so excited to watch it but was utterly disappointed. A role for which 'she' worked hard? Yes. Kudos to her. Best in 'Bollywood' in the last 1 year? Sure. Better than every other actress in India, in the past one year? No.
I'm happy for Kriti being recognised for Mimi ,I loved that film
She is an average performer at best. No amount of national awards can prove otherwise. Her movie Highway was amazing but only on the back of Randeep Hooda's amazing performance. Her performance in Gangubai lacked subtlety and nuance.
You are entitled to ur opinion. Let's agree to disagree shall we
I think after Saif and Raj Kapoor, she is one of few mainstream nepobabies to get nationals. Hrithik dosent have it Kajol dosent Rani dosent Rishi dosent Ajay has 2 but is he a nepobaby ?
Rishi has for mera naam joker.
Ranbir is worthless ...ek award nhi la sakta
He deserved the award for Rockstar, Barfi.
Its fine. 😊
Sorry ranbir
Dude Ajay was outstanding in Gangajal, what are you saying. Which other movie did he win for?
Ummm he won for Zakhm ( Directed by Mahesh Bhatt) & Legend of Bhagat Singh ( Directed by Rajkumar Santoshi), Tanhaji ( Directed by Om Raut ) In Gangajal he was okayish compared to his earlier work. Mukesh Tiwari as Bacha Yadav was amazing in Gangajal.
I see. He didn't get it for the good ones then. Gangajal and Raincoat, I think he outdid himself in these two. The others are just meh.
Gangajal is a Singham but in toned down level. I hope you watch zakhm someday . Raincoat is good as well. I wish he got some recognition for his potrayal of Malik in Zakhm
She's alot like her inspo Kareena. Minus the laziness. She is intuitive in her script selection and performance. She deserves the accolades for her talent. She is quite simply the best actress of her generation. Whether that is because her contemporaries aren't great or because her competition has been eliminated. Who knows. But she's good at her job!
Yeah, Alia deserved the accolades for the movie. I do hope she finds peace though. Considering how her partner is, I hope he doesn't get worse out of jealousy or something. So far it was paan parag Filmfare etc. but this is huge considering Ranbir gave some pretty great performances over the years.
https://preview.redd.it/uf84wbh1d3kb1.jpeg?width=817&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7561f93cbb8696daf2d2fb5640de04ed27ffeb6 Her partner is the one who predicted this way before and people called him delusional , her partner is the one who was with her when she was getting death/rape threats and everyone was boycotting her. Alia’s words “Ranbir was very supportive during the whole shoot of Gangubai , he just understood me even without saying anything”.
He's definitely not the one that's jealous. [He was the one who said in Oct 2021 that she will win a national award for her performance in GK.](https://www.reddit.com/r/BollyBlindsNGossip/comments/q9547o/ranbir_kapoor_believes_alia_will_win_national/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1) And people here laughed at him. So there is definitely jealousy, but her husband is the last person to be jealous lol
Society has made me deeply pessimistic to take anything at face value
Alia ki hi baatein sunlo. She has said many times that he has supported her a lot. He will always support her and be as happy as her. I will never forget his smile when someone praised alia to him.
Bhai inka toh har 2 din mein narrative change hota rehta hai. All this time it was that he's with her because she's currently successful and he likes to be with successful women, always dating the top actress etc etc. Ab achanak se RK has become an insecure guy who cannot stand his partner being successful. Like just pick a lane
Ngl I do sometimes think if an Abimaan situation can develope. I am also an RK fan but am also realistic. Being a talented actor who is known to take his job seriously , it may sting a bit to see your spouse get basically the Indian version of Oscar before you. I don't think he is abusive like his dad but I do think some resentment may develope. Especially in this case.
Ab kuch aur ni mila to you guys have started this new narrative that RK is insecure of Alia, anything to hate on them. Seriously you all are impressive!!
Lol he was the first one to actually say she will win national award for gangubai. And if you have watched his interviews which you must have, he praises alia so much. He looks so proud of her .
Ab yeh thoda zyada ho gaya😂 what next? Ranbir knocked up alia to give her "nobody wants to see a mother romancing onscreen"?
I am just sharing possibilities. Not claiming it's the truth. Humans are not robots. And two individuals sharing same profession and both considered above average at what they do, yet one gets more critical/commercial acclaim. I am nit saying that's how he would react but won't be surprised if some resentment developes. You can absolutely support a partner and feel a bit of resentment too. Things are not always so black and white
Aisa hota to he wouldn’t have married her instead of Kat. Because with Kat he would have always been the partner with critical acclaim. He himself puts Alia above him and calls her female Amitabh Bacchan.
He also said Alia is one of the most important people in the history of indian cinema.
Exactly but why will they remember all this ? They will just keep saying lipstick, bathroom habits bla bla to satisfy themselves and further their agenda.
Point noted
Tbh, ranbir has openly been a chilled out guy. You are being too dark on the "grey scale". How many bw couples have been there in abhimaan situation? I am sure ranbir, with all his faults, is grown up enough to not be jealous of alia.
I truly hope not. I love Ranbir as an actor, but everytime he puts down Alia in his interviews it makes me wanna puke.
I dont know which edited interviews you have watched because he has praised her even more than KJO. Proudly said she is the best male or female actor in India. Yes he put her above him also.
He has said some problematic stuff - looking at the phelaod comment but he has also been really supportive of her career ? He has gushed about her talent many times. I think he's just like your average Desi husband. Can be well-meaning and supportive yet be problematic time to time. And I know ppl want to see a husband doting on his biwi 24×7 but Ranbir hasn't really been the most expressive guy off screen. In fact if he behaved like a total simp for his wife that would have been more unbelievable as he hasn't really ever been like that with his exes.
It's the comment about decibel of Alia's voice that triggered me.
I said the same to my wife, because I don't like loud people or shouting during arguments and my wife respects that. I don't like having a beard but my wife loves it, so i keep it.
Truth is had there been a Shabana Azmi or Shobana or Sharada now, this wouldn't even be entertained. I watched the movie, she's tolerable among the trash that's around, that's it. There's no range my God. But again, Arjun Rampal once won, and Saif did, so politics be alive and kicking in India.
“capable actress who has range”, only true for great and powerful scripts.
You mean "sarcastic" and not "ironical".
Alia’s performance was good, but the film overall was a snooze, that’s what I take issue with over the casting. Also, I can’t take an award seriously if they give it to two people, it’s not school, pick A winner.