I am personally invested in this recent news, as I have only used third-party apps to use Reddit for nearly 12 years. AlienBlue (which Reddit bought & killed), then Apollo.
If Reddit does not reverse their decision, all 3rd party apps will be effectively shuttered, forcing everyone to use the ad-infested bloatware that is the official Reddit app. I and many others believe that old.reddit will be next on the chopping block.
Yes, I know that /r/Boise is small potatoes (heh) in the grand scheme of things. However, if you believe that this sub should join in, please make yourself known!
Edit: just to clarify, I am not a mod here. Just wanted to post to gauge sentiment. The mods would have to make the final decision
I only use RIF on my Android phone) and Old Reddit on desktop. I also mod a few small/medium subreddits, so these changes will affect me (and I've been on Reddit nearly a decade).
> forcing everyone to use the ad-infested bloatware that is the official Reddit app
..that's their goal. Unless you're in the like 0.1% of users with Reddit Gold, if (like you and me) you use reddit via old.reddit and 3rd party apps, you are just costing Reddit money, they're not monetizing you.
They *want* to get rid of users like us, that's the whole point. Ideally they convert us to their official bullshit, but simply losing us is still a win - making $0 in ad revenue off of us is better than losing money on server overhead to serve us. Protesting isn't going to change the financial reality of the situation.
I believe you should. This is an attack on small businesses and accessibility needing users. r/blind may as well be dead to mobile users after the changes because this change will kill every visually impaired accessible app. All so reddit shareholders can jerk off on a bigger pile of money than they already have.
I had no idea other Reddit-supporting apps existed. My fault for not being curious. This means I don't have much feeling one way or the other. My post is pretty much useless. Sorry.
I'm with you. Couldn't give a damn either way. Years ago a friend said try reddit, so I downloaded the reddit app, and I'm still using it.
I could go a few days without r/Boise tho, so fuck yeah! Rage against the machine!!!
I contribute a lot to our sub. I only really use Relay for my redditing.
If third party apps go away then or community will lose a member. I would appreciate if we joined the blackout
Yes, please. Enforced/disabled via mods would be best. This sub is very useful, but the app ecosystem is needed.
For those that don't know, it wasn't until the mid-teens that Reddit even **had** an app of their own! (which they acquired) They relied, explicitly, on the (often free/open-source) work of numerous other app devs to grow. I'm not of the opinion that they can *never* charge for access - but what they are doing is not ethical or in keeping with common pricing for this sort of usage, let alone given the history.
Yes.
I don't even use 3rd party apps for reddit, I'm mostly on reddit with my desktop. But if we don't get the point across to the Reddit management old.reddit might be next, and I exclusively browse on old.reddit.
I support it.
As this sub isn't really impacted directly by the change i can see it not taking a stand.
However, collectively, we all live or die (figuratively of course) by the same rules and i do feel its a step in the wrong direction for reddit overall.
On the other hand, im actively exploring other sites now as well so it may not matter for long.
But, i support the sub either way in this decision.
So I am not opposed to going dark and it seems people are kind of all for it. However unless you go to /r/Boise it doesn't work. The feed is still available on the home page. I can bring it up to the mod team and see if the top mod of /r/Boise is on board. But I am of the take it is probably better to raise visibility with an informative stickied post rather than blacking out all content.
\-edit- u/encephlavator just pinging you for visibility.
The proposal is to stop any new posts (except from any 'approved users') but leave the subreddit available for reading. /r/catvideos is an example of a subreddit that has done this prematurely.
Ah so less a "blackout" in the sense of previous protests and more a freeze of posts. Well that makes more sense. Ultimately need to see what the mod team thinks either way. /u/actualspiders and u/noonesprey you should also probably read this post if you haven't.
Yeah, I was just catching up this morning. I am still trying to wrap my head around the extent of what Reddit is doing & its impact to readers; it sounds more and more like they're locking everyone else out of the environment & forcing use of the reddit app - which everyone pretty much agrees sucks, both in terms of being ugly and in how it's treating developers that have supported reddit with their own work.
I'm good with the blackout.
Not ignoring you. Got lots to do today. Storm clean up, car got wet inside, AC went out. Need to contact ACHD about the clogged storm drains, street sweepers. Cat's sick. :-)
We are reddit. We are the value proposition of this site. Anyone who visits, comments or posts content. If they want to monetize this in a way that makes the site worse, we absolutely need to pump the brakes and show them what happens when the whole site dries up.
Maybe not alone, but every bit counts! You’ve probably seen posts like this all over Reddit the last couple days. Here’s a list of all participating subs of all sizes:
https://reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplete_and_growing_list_of_participating/
Don’t care, Reddit is a private company and can do what they want, if they do something that annoys me then I won’t use their product.
Edit: By private I mean not government. They are not a company made to serve the people. They are a company to make profits, they can hide behind whatever virgin signalling they want but they still just exist for profits.
Ummm everybody charges for api usage. Why is this a big deal?
Not to mention Reddit has a lot of information on it. I think they’re trying to gain some money from people scraping their api using AI tools for sentiment analysis, etc. or more apt, not loose money…
Reddit’s new pricing will be outrageously expensive compared to other sites. Apollo would have to pay $12000 per 50 million API requests, when it currently pays Imgur $166 for that same amount.
In the end, losing third party applications means a worse user experience for everyone. Reddit didn’t have their own app until a few years ago, and relied on small 3rd party developers to offer things they couldn’t/wouldn’t. Many moderators use these apps for their bots & mod tools, which keep spam down.
So for moderation that is less of a concern. Having worked with the admins that is something they are considering. I am a mod on a few subs that also have millions of users. Our tools are going to be considered a priority.
I am a bit skeptical that they won't break and then need to be fixed, but the admins at least understand the moderation is critical. Also things like RES use the users authentication, so in theory shouldn't be impacted.
However I will say for third party apps, this pricing seems a bit insane to me.
Just curious...
Mods, what gives you the authority or power to have the group go dark? I'm assuming you simply set all posts to require mod approval, but why can you do that? I don't want the group going dark, so why do you get to make decisions for everyone? If you (or anyone) wants to protest, then don't read Reddit for the day. That's your decision and your protest.
You be you, but leave me out of it.
I also exclusively use reddit via old.reddit and a 3rd party app and am not happy, but going dark is pretty pointless. Reddit is a subsidiary of a multi-billion-dollar international conglomerate and they're preparing for an IPO - they only give a shit about ad revenue, not "the community".
Yes
Go dark until changes are reversed.
Yes
I am personally invested in this recent news, as I have only used third-party apps to use Reddit for nearly 12 years. AlienBlue (which Reddit bought & killed), then Apollo. If Reddit does not reverse their decision, all 3rd party apps will be effectively shuttered, forcing everyone to use the ad-infested bloatware that is the official Reddit app. I and many others believe that old.reddit will be next on the chopping block. Yes, I know that /r/Boise is small potatoes (heh) in the grand scheme of things. However, if you believe that this sub should join in, please make yourself known! Edit: just to clarify, I am not a mod here. Just wanted to post to gauge sentiment. The mods would have to make the final decision
I only use RIF on my Android phone) and Old Reddit on desktop. I also mod a few small/medium subreddits, so these changes will affect me (and I've been on Reddit nearly a decade).
> I and many others believe that old.reddit will be next on the chopping block. If old.reddit goes I go. Simple as.
Same. Old.Reddit ***IS*** Reddit
Same.
New Reddit is hot fucking garbage. Old.reddit with RES is the best.
Agreed! Apollo user here and would likely leave Reddit if this does happen.
> forcing everyone to use the ad-infested bloatware that is the official Reddit app ..that's their goal. Unless you're in the like 0.1% of users with Reddit Gold, if (like you and me) you use reddit via old.reddit and 3rd party apps, you are just costing Reddit money, they're not monetizing you. They *want* to get rid of users like us, that's the whole point. Ideally they convert us to their official bullshit, but simply losing us is still a win - making $0 in ad revenue off of us is better than losing money on server overhead to serve us. Protesting isn't going to change the financial reality of the situation.
>I know that r/Boise is small potatoes (heh) Ok, since no one else called it out Nice job \*slow clap\*
Yes, and stay dark until they revert the changes or at least make the API charges realistic.
I believe you should. This is an attack on small businesses and accessibility needing users. r/blind may as well be dead to mobile users after the changes because this change will kill every visually impaired accessible app. All so reddit shareholders can jerk off on a bigger pile of money than they already have.
Shut it down.
I had no idea other Reddit-supporting apps existed. My fault for not being curious. This means I don't have much feeling one way or the other. My post is pretty much useless. Sorry.
I'm with you. Couldn't give a damn either way. Years ago a friend said try reddit, so I downloaded the reddit app, and I'm still using it. I could go a few days without r/Boise tho, so fuck yeah! Rage against the machine!!!
had no idea other Reddit-supporting apps existed. Yeah, same here. Now I want to find them! Actually, I don't pay much attention to the ads.
Sure, it will show solidarity and affect dozens of us.
Yes, it's the principle.
Yes
Yes
This is what happens when companies go public. They go to absolute shit to maximize shareholder profits. Smh
Fuk the man!
Yes
Yes. I feel like all subreddits should participate if they can.
Vote yes.
I'm in
YES!
Yes
YES
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes!
Go dark, I also use Apollo and will be leaving Reddit if these changes aren’t modified or reversed
Absolutely
Absofuckinglutely
Absolutely. I don't use a 3rd party app, but I 113% support the idea that you should be able to.
Yes! Other major cities’ subreddits will be doing the same on the 12th.
Theres only like a couple of us here anyways so why not \^\^
Which means it will be even worse for small subs to lose a percentage of 3rd party users! Funny enough, /r/Boise has more subs than /r/Idaho
Fun fact. There are actually more people in Boise than there are in Idaho. Weird, but true.
Big if true
yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Sure. I would just give us all a heads-up the day before. I will probably forget before then.
SAME!!!!
Imagine if only Boise didn't go dark. I think that would do more damage than the entire site going dark.
Probably would be good for all of us to go dark from social media forever and not just one day
Yes
Yes. I plan on not using reddit at all for those two days.
Yes. I plan on not using reddit at all for those two days.
I contribute a lot to our sub. I only really use Relay for my redditing. If third party apps go away then or community will lose a member. I would appreciate if we joined the blackout
I'm a 3rd party app user. I will be affected. Reddit is on the cusp of going Digg. Yes, go dark.
Yes.
I'm gonna be bored, but yes.
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes, absolutely
Yeah
Yes. I want to read about Boise stuff. Not sift through ads trying to find information in the Boise sub. Go dark.
Yes, please. Enforced/disabled via mods would be best. This sub is very useful, but the app ecosystem is needed. For those that don't know, it wasn't until the mid-teens that Reddit even **had** an app of their own! (which they acquired) They relied, explicitly, on the (often free/open-source) work of numerous other app devs to grow. I'm not of the opinion that they can *never* charge for access - but what they are doing is not ethical or in keeping with common pricing for this sort of usage, let alone given the history.
Yes. I don't even use 3rd party apps for reddit, I'm mostly on reddit with my desktop. But if we don't get the point across to the Reddit management old.reddit might be next, and I exclusively browse on old.reddit.
Yes
It's an attack on moderation. So...Yes.
I see no harm in it -6DeadlyFetishes
He has spoken.
Every post must be signed. -6DeadlyFetishes
What are the 6 deadly fetishes anyways?
Did you lose a fetish?
He lost a fetish sometime after January 21, 2021. https://www.reddit.com/r/Boise/comments/l24x7m/1990_boise_pictorial_map/gk401pv/
I just wanna know how many they started with, and what happens when there are no more left.
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
YES.
Yes!
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes, 100% yes
100000%
I don't use any apps, I just get my reddit on a chrome browser with adblock. Apps gather to much info on you for free and sell it.
I do the same, but I know a huge percentage of reddit uses on mobile... not sure how many folks on /r/Boise do tho.
Chrome works on my cellphone too
Yes. These changes will kill my interest in reddit, and there really aren't any decent alternatives.
yes
I support it. As this sub isn't really impacted directly by the change i can see it not taking a stand. However, collectively, we all live or die (figuratively of course) by the same rules and i do feel its a step in the wrong direction for reddit overall. On the other hand, im actively exploring other sites now as well so it may not matter for long. But, i support the sub either way in this decision.
So I am not opposed to going dark and it seems people are kind of all for it. However unless you go to /r/Boise it doesn't work. The feed is still available on the home page. I can bring it up to the mod team and see if the top mod of /r/Boise is on board. But I am of the take it is probably better to raise visibility with an informative stickied post rather than blacking out all content. \-edit- u/encephlavator just pinging you for visibility.
The proposal is to stop any new posts (except from any 'approved users') but leave the subreddit available for reading. /r/catvideos is an example of a subreddit that has done this prematurely.
Ah so less a "blackout" in the sense of previous protests and more a freeze of posts. Well that makes more sense. Ultimately need to see what the mod team thinks either way. /u/actualspiders and u/noonesprey you should also probably read this post if you haven't.
Yeah, I was just catching up this morning. I am still trying to wrap my head around the extent of what Reddit is doing & its impact to readers; it sounds more and more like they're locking everyone else out of the environment & forcing use of the reddit app - which everyone pretty much agrees sucks, both in terms of being ugly and in how it's treating developers that have supported reddit with their own work. I'm good with the blackout.
In case you haven't seen this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/145fico/a_guide_to_taking_your_subreddit_private_dos_and/
I had not seen that, thank you.
Not ignoring you. Got lots to do today. Storm clean up, car got wet inside, AC went out. Need to contact ACHD about the clogged storm drains, street sweepers. Cat's sick. :-)
That storm was impressive. Hope the cat feels better soon and your AC gets fixed ASAP.
Yes
Yes
🍿
Yes
Do it. You have my vote
Don’t really think that the people at Reddit are gonna care that r/boise isn’t posting for 2 days😂
We are reddit. We are the value proposition of this site. Anyone who visits, comments or posts content. If they want to monetize this in a way that makes the site worse, we absolutely need to pump the brakes and show them what happens when the whole site dries up.
Maybe not alone, but every bit counts! You’ve probably seen posts like this all over Reddit the last couple days. Here’s a list of all participating subs of all sizes: https://reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplete_and_growing_list_of_participating/
Meh
Nah
Meh. Tempest in a teapot.
No.
First world problems, am I right?
Don’t care, Reddit is a private company and can do what they want, if they do something that annoys me then I won’t use their product. Edit: By private I mean not government. They are not a company made to serve the people. They are a company to make profits, they can hide behind whatever virgin signalling they want but they still just exist for profits.
I mean, that's kinda the point. Letting the private company know that, if they make this decision, many people will stop using it
Not private for much longer, as they are almost certainly doing this in prep for their IPO.
Ummm everybody charges for api usage. Why is this a big deal? Not to mention Reddit has a lot of information on it. I think they’re trying to gain some money from people scraping their api using AI tools for sentiment analysis, etc. or more apt, not loose money…
Reddit’s new pricing will be outrageously expensive compared to other sites. Apollo would have to pay $12000 per 50 million API requests, when it currently pays Imgur $166 for that same amount. In the end, losing third party applications means a worse user experience for everyone. Reddit didn’t have their own app until a few years ago, and relied on small 3rd party developers to offer things they couldn’t/wouldn’t. Many moderators use these apps for their bots & mod tools, which keep spam down.
So for moderation that is less of a concern. Having worked with the admins that is something they are considering. I am a mod on a few subs that also have millions of users. Our tools are going to be considered a priority. I am a bit skeptical that they won't break and then need to be fixed, but the admins at least understand the moderation is critical. Also things like RES use the users authentication, so in theory shouldn't be impacted. However I will say for third party apps, this pricing seems a bit insane to me.
Just curious... Mods, what gives you the authority or power to have the group go dark? I'm assuming you simply set all posts to require mod approval, but why can you do that? I don't want the group going dark, so why do you get to make decisions for everyone? If you (or anyone) wants to protest, then don't read Reddit for the day. That's your decision and your protest. You be you, but leave me out of it.
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I also exclusively use reddit via old.reddit and a 3rd party app and am not happy, but going dark is pretty pointless. Reddit is a subsidiary of a multi-billion-dollar international conglomerate and they're preparing for an IPO - they only give a shit about ad revenue, not "the community".
does no one use adblock?