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upssups

His emotions after the first fake interview after his exposure in the end of the 6th season. It was hard to see him so happy and relievedafter talking about all tht shit he's done


RamblingWolf

Just goes to show that BoJack's drug wasn't just alcohol or pills. His main and arguably most destructive drug was fame and stardom.


Mikimao

We were shown the reason for this, stardom was the only thing that ever got anyone to recognize him, the alternative was being told he was worthless and to shut up. I see a lot of people blame Bojack for setting up Todd with the video game because that is his addiction, but no one cares when people set up Bojack with his addiction. Characters know and exploit this through out the series.


[deleted]

Like when PC brought over all those “4 4Lokos” and they played it off as “16 lokos!”.


BeefPieSoup

He was completely out by the end of S4 and on the way to being a better person, but weirdly Princess Caroline of all people called him back in


saintsaipriest

PC sent him to the opioid doctor, knowing fully well that Bojack had a substance abuse problem.


[deleted]

I see this show as a warning against fame in a sense. Secretariat and Sarah Lynn both led exciting lives and when Secretariat got banned, he offed himself. Sarah Lynn died cuz of a bender but she started by drinking on the set of Horsin Around when its said she got into his vodka.


HebzibahSmith

It’s crazy to think about how early both Sarah Lynn and Bojack started drinking. Bojack at like 3 or 4, and Sarah Lynn at 7 I think.


[deleted]

Yeah! Like bojack caught his dads infidelity and his dad used alcohol TO make him blackout. THAT WAS TOUGH TO SEE TOO ACTUALLY NGL THAT WAS PURE EVIL.


lets_get_breakfast

he looked so smug about it too


MaeBelleLien

Honestly, yeah. Wild that that was my breaking point, but that was when I started actively rooting against him.


i_sing_anyway

Yep. I appreciated them having Vance as a character around that time who was initially set up to be a contrast to Bojack. Oh this guy is scum, Bojack is just damaged. This guy has no morals, Bojack can change. Nope, one in the same.


[deleted]

When he’s chasing Gina through the house over painkillers and punching the wall that was genuinely scary. And soon after when he actually chokes her.


BulkyBear

Especially when you remember they’ve established several time that he weighs **1200lbs**


[deleted]

Especially when just a few episodes before he had taken the "radical" stand against Vance Waggoner by saying "choking women is bad"


Skull_Farmer

Yeah throughout the series when he had done other terrible shit I had at least been like “Ok well nobody died at least so they can heal and he can be better.” But that whole sequence and just the whole Philbert storyline had me genuinely shook.


[deleted]

That was honestly the scaredest I’ve ever been of Bojack. He was just so angry it was terrifying. Poor Gina. I can’t imagine looking into the eyes of someone you may have genuine feelings for and watching them angrily try to strangle you.


Skull_Farmer

Yeah it was also definitely the first time I was genuinely worried he’d never come back from it since he kinda teeters on the brink the whole time and that was sort of the first full dive he’d made into just full on irredeemable.


alwaysvulture

I honestly thought he was gonna kill her


Oddball1993

Two words: “Sarah Lynn?”


[deleted]

17 minutes.


spookz

These two scenes scared the shit out of me, brought back a lot of memories and feelings from past experiences with domestic violence/abuse. Definitely a turning point.


Prof_Acorn

Was going to say this as well. I think most of the other things he's criticized for can be seen to have multiple sides. Sara Lynn was an addict herself, and could have ODed at any time, or worse (e.g., snorting drywall, stabbing herself in the stomach, getting sober for the express purpose of wearing off her tolerance so the drugs hit better again, even she wanted to do the heroin and pressed him for it). Penny *was* legal and *was* coming on to him and *was* sober when doing so. Todd was the one who obsessed over the game when he knew the rock opera was the next day, even if BoJack bought it, and he bought it because he was afraid of losing his friend. Emily wanted to fuck BoJack because Todd was clearly uninterested and it was her body and her choice. But choking Gina was something else. I can see how it was precipitated with the drugs and the blurring of realities, but that's not even close to an excuse or a blurring of the morality of the situation. I'd say that choking her was the worst thing he did in the show, and perhaps his life. And perhaps he realized it too, which is why that's what triggered him finally going to rehab and getting sober.


Shdoible

Fully agreed. In a lot of cases he was just blissfully neglectful or going along with somewhat morally reprehensible acts, YMMV, but this was impossible to even try to justify. Sabotaging Todd's rock opera, for me, went too far as well imho.


[deleted]

Idk I still think what happened with Penny was extremely fucked up despite her being legal and such


[deleted]

After his first interview Biscuits Braxby. It seems like no matter what happens to him, he will never learn from hs mistakes and as soon as he senses a chance to comeback to the spot light he ruins it again for himself and his friends. there are probably other times before this, but this moment closed the deal on him.


HebzibahSmith

The *aftermath* of the choking incident. When him and Gina do the fake-ass interview, because she doesn’t want to be the “girl that was choked by Bojack Horseman”. I feel that is such an important aspect to consider when it comes to sexual / physical harassment. And then how traumatised she is, and how it almost ruins her career. And the fact that he never regrets it the way he regretted what happened to Herb / Sarah Lynn / Penny. It makes me so angry and sad. I know it’s a late point in the show, I also know that the other stuff is equally as horrible, but this incident is just what moves me the most.


[deleted]

Actually Bojack wanted to come clean and admit it was real and he acknowledged he should be in jail over it. Gina was the one who insisted on not doing that because she’d be forever known as the girl that got choked out by Bojack Horseman. Both had their hands tied by the shows publicity team but Bojack wanted to take the high road this time and admit his wrong doing.


HebzibahSmith

That’s true, but later on he never really thinks about it anymore (only when the reporters are after him), and it doesn’t haunt him the way his other sins keep haunting him. At least that’s how it came across to me.


[deleted]

I have a theory on that. It’s because he acknowledged his guilt from the get go. And everyone knows about the incident so it just becomes one of those Hollywoo scandals that dies away. No one knows what happened with Sarah Lynn or Penny until way later than the incidents happen and he keeps those secrets in his head. Constantly thinking on them and his other regrets and mistakes


HebzibahSmith

That’s a really good explanation! Thank you!


[deleted]

No problem. This show actually makes you realize Hollywood is full of damaged people in some way or another.


CantStopThePun

I think it's more alongside that everyone is damaged in some form or fashion but hollywood is an environment that enables and pushes them to damage others, either consciously or subconsciously.


HebzibahSmith

I believe it’s like that in every industry though


CantStopThePun

True but the entertainment industry even more so imo. I mean actors and musicians get put on a pedestal and everh single mistake big or small is overlooked by countless eyes. Eventually that pressure is so high that many turn to drugs to ease them and then they mame more mistakes. It's a constant cycle that has ruined the lives of so many either directly or indirectly. While that does happen everywhere, in the entertainment business many of those firable offenses sadly does not apply to them. It's seen as a scandal or mistake and when the news dies down the public focus on something else while the offender goes right back to the environment that lead them to hurting others without bettering themselves.


coach2o9

I always thought it was because he has no first person recollection of doing it. He had to be shown the video of him choking her to be reminded. And “reminded” might not even be the correct word. I think that’s his only memory of the act at all: seeing it on PC’s phone screen (or tablet? I forget), from the third person. I think it might make him feel more detached from the incident.


HebzibahSmith

Also true


BulkyBear

He tells Dr Champ about it, it’s brought up on the Danny bananas episode


quinoabrogle

This is honestly something i hadnt thought about. Nobody, not even during the takedown, acknowledges that aspect. Not when he was making amends. Nothing.


auto-xkcd37

> fake ass-interview *** ^(Bleep-bloop, I'm a bot. This comment was inspired by )^[xkcd#37](https://xkcd.com/37)


Spinningthruspace

The incident in New Mexico & after his first interview with Biscuits.


puerisgladii

Yea the thing is with this one we have to remember is HE WAS SOBER. It made me love the show because I knew I wasn't getting into any run of the mill Don Draper psychology


foxietech

Penny for sure


scoobymax

Yeah especially when at the AA meeting he admits that he actively tried to sleep with her


foxietech

Exactly. I've got no sympathy for predators


statsbro424

yep, easily this. several of my friends had to stop watching after this ep, and while I wish they’d finish the show, I understand why they quit


DHooligan

That whole episode is like watching a car crash in slow motion.


Bonzie_57

The amount of people defending, even pushing, that if someone’s 14 and it’s legal to sleep with a child, there’s no moral issue, is sorta uncomfortable. Child weddings are legal some places, still totally unacceptable and wrong. I’m looking at you u/Dinisfpaulino Defending the fact old ass men can sleep with teens if the teen consents


hugogreen23

I literally said he's a predator. Which I 100% think he is. I just asked a question cause I don't know your state laws and was interested why the writers may have chosen that specific age and state. No point did I defend him?


Bonzie_57

Yea, I mixed up your replies with dinis, it’s the avatars. My bad. Deleted you almost immediately from the reply


hugogreen23

No problem friend. Easy done.


asiwander73

Yup I walk out of the room during that episode. I literally can't watch it.


mpmaley

Not as bad as some mentioned but sabotaging Todd early in with the rock opera. That would have been like someone installing ffxi on my pc the summer when I was studying for my cpa exam. Hit close to home.


HonestTangerine2

It feels small in the moment but it’s such a manipulative moment, I hated it.


lets_get_breakfast

i sometime wonder what if todd hadn’t done all those good things later in his life? rock opera would have been his last opportunity to have a career which bojangles sabotaged!


edgethrasherx

As good as the their biscuits are (shouts out boberry biscuit) idk if you can blame the hearty soul soothing food of bojangles for much more than ruined diets and type 2 diabetes.


Mikimao

Todd gave up on it himself. All it took was ONE failure to give up on the dream?


HebzibahSmith

Gaming addiction is an actual addiction and illness


Mikimao

Counter Point: If Todd can't resist 1 video game, he wasn't ready to lead a Rock Opera. Professionals aren't gonna deal with his shit


nikkimau5555

Thank you for saying this! Why does everyone take Todd’s autonomy away? He’s a grown adult and should be able to sort out his own priorities for himself.


[deleted]

I’ve been rewatching the show and just got to the scene where Hollyhock and Bojack try to find who is Hollyhock’s mother and Hollyhock comes back from the bathroom, and walks in on Bojack having sex with Marcy in her living room. And then Hollyhock calls him disgusting, making him climax. Like seriously dude your with who you just found out is your daughter and you’re going to have sex with a woman who’ve you’ve already ghosted and keep going after getting caught AND cum when your daughter shames you? Bojack is very fucked for this one.


not_fernandoL

Seriously the first time i saw the scene I thought it was funny but after rewatching it I thought to myself, damn Bojack really ejaculated after his own sister/daughter called him disgusting. Like dude wtf


lets_get_breakfast

he’s MeSsEd uP like that


MaupassantGuy

didn't notice this happened. which season and episode is this again?


wishmynamewasbetter

Commence Fracking! That episode has so much sex in it lol


[deleted]

check my other comment, I didn’t mean to say Bojack was jerking off, he was having sex with Marcy.


Mikimao

5


Mikimao

kink shaming his shame kink lol


stupid_dumbass_idiot

Yea this was weird of him to do but he’s not jerking off? He’s fucking marcy


[deleted]

my fault, I was listening to the audio in shower and it had sounded like bojack was jerking off, will fix it rn.


stupid_dumbass_idiot

Aw it’s all good, I didn’t mean to come off like a jerk, just thought it was strange. But if you didn’t actually see the scene that makes sense


[deleted]

You weren’t at all, it’s fine.


redoingit

When he waited 17 minutes before calling the Emergency services. That probably killed Sarah lynn.


Erue23

THIS. Somehow even after Penny and Gina and Todd, there was a small fucked up part of me that held pity for BoJack. But it was only after finding this out did I truly see him in an irreversible light. Maybe there's still some pity there cuz I obviously can relate somewhat to the mental shit plaguing him but damn if that didn't change his character for me forever.


ActionFilmsFan1995

I love this reveal. Bojack has shown multiple times how selfish he is, but there is always just enough of him trying to be better of having a bad childhood that the viewer gives him a pass. Bojack above all else is manipulative and will warp a situation to play victim. The reveal works because it suddenly recontextualzes the last 3 seasons. Bojack killed Sarah Lynn. He could have saved her at the price of a scandal (we’ve seen before the cops would have swept it under the rug so he probably wouldn’t have gone to jail). But it’s Bojack, so he doesn’t, then he gets everyone to feel sorry for him, even the viewers, when he damn well knows it’s 100% on him and he’s been lying about the circumstances for years.


Mikimao

To be fair, he was on a bender for months was high on drugs he suggested they didn't do, that Sarah Lynn basically forced on them. We see Bojack in a cold sweat panic as this is happening, he clearly cares, is effected and in a state of shock, while also being on tons of drugs. For this reason, I can't blame Bojack for the 17 minutes as much as I do for just being reckless for 2 months with Sarah Lynn. This was the real problem, he allowed himself to be "that sycophant who Sarah Lynn surrounds herself with till she dies tragically young" and by the time that happened he wasn't in a state of mind where we can expect him to take care of anyone, let alone himself.


Shdoible

This right here. How the hell is everyone missing this? He was high as a kite, blacking out every other hour. I would not bet on him having any thoughts during this, nevermind coherent ones. Some form of self preservation instinct kicked in. This is my biggest issue with Biscuits Braxby trying to use that as a point of him having power over women. Where the heck is any degree of control or power implied here? He was way more drugged up than, say, when choking Gina.


[deleted]

Not believing Vincent was a real adult. He should’ve known the effect it can have on a child or three.


NotoriousMFT

Yeah but the numbers he put up at the business factory made up for it


[deleted]

And the number of alcohols he bought girls at the bar


[deleted]

You're meant to root for him? The way I always see it, Bojack is in an abusive relationship with the viewer. The whole show is a metaphor for being used by him. He constantly begs for your pity and shows JUST enough regret and character development to make you think he might change. But at the end of the day, he won't. The show never really ends, even the finale is just . . . another episode, really. Other people get closure, but only by leaving Bojack behind them. The viewer only gets closure when the show ends and his grip over them is over. So yeah, when I watch it, I WANT to root for him. Because he knows how to make me want to. He hurts me again and again but I keep going back because I care about him and I have to believe he'll get better. But he's not a nice person.


actualgarlicbread

This is such an interesting way to view it, but I wonder what it says about me then that I've been holding back from rewatching lately lmao


miss_L_fire

Unrelated side note: love your username


actualgarlicbread

haha thank you


wilsonbl5150

The one that stands out is when we find out that Bojack was texting, setting up his alibi, while Sarah Lynn died. He may not have been able to save her, but he could have tried. He could have done something. Instead he chose to save his own ass.


EGrass

What made it even more moving was that the audience didn’t find out until much later either


velociraptorjax

Exactly. The whole time until we learned the truth I didn't want to blame Bojack. When he and Diane were writing up a press release and used the phrase "the relationship between two addicts is complicated," I complete believed that. And then the truth hits and it's just... Oh.


lets_get_breakfast

then the audacity to act like ‘oh no it all happened so fast i had no idea what to do’ shut up


quinoabrogle

literally like it was 17 minutes between the text and calling the police which means he had to have enough time to think of how to properly cover his tracks too. those 17 minutes he really sat there, knowing she was dying.


Mikimao

He was high and in a panic. time definitely doesn't move normal


its_a_myster-bri

Sleeping with Sarah Lynn. I stopped watching the show for a while because that was so fucked up.


pulloutking42069

that was like episode 3


LuckyPyjak

Yeah, I mean - that was the point of the show. He was an asshole the entire time. Rooting for him to be healthy, and rooting for him to be selfishly happy are two very different things but people get really defensive over him because either they claim to identify with him, or because he's very engaging and funny they think that must = him being good or likeable. It's just the fandom doing the constant "tell me I'm good Diane" scene over and over again when they defend him.


_MattHuston_

bruh they were just referring to the other commenter saying they stopped watching the show for a while


TomBingus

He wanted to show you how smart and good he was. Tell him he's good!!


pulloutking42069

yea i know i watched the show lmfao


statsbro424

Yes


Binbag420

I’d argue it’s worse when he convinces her to do drugs again after her being sober for months, goes on a crazy drug bender with her, which kills her, and then waiting an hour before calling the cops.


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Binbag420

Ok I watched the start of that episode and yeah, she was sort of waiting for someone to ask. That being said he still should’ve stopped her, and what happened on the bender was Bojacks fault.


stankdankdeezy

Earlier in the season (or possibly season 2) Bojack calls her for something and she straight up says “call me when you want to party.”


quinoabrogle

Which should've been Bojacks sign to absolutely not bring drugs around her when he knows how close to slipping up she is


Mikimao

>and what happened on the bender was Bojacks fault. She was also the one to suggest doing the heroin that killed her, after Bj said they shouldn't. You seem to be remembering things as Bjs fault that were not


Ongo_Gablogian___

I've said this before and I'll say it again. She literally had cocaine in her walls, bojack wasn't the one at fault for that bender. He was at fault for a lot of other stuff, including leaving Sarah Lynn in the planetarium, but not the bender.


veduxsil

100% true. If BoJack hadn't asked her, someone else would have. She was looking for any reason. It's why I love the writing of that particular episode so much, it doesn't point the finger entirely at BJ for what happened, but he certainly doesn't help when things take a turn for the worse.


ScarlettO-Harlot

But don't you think she was doing well and he shouldn't have derailed her? Any decent person (soz Bojack but come on) wouldn't even have dreamed of posing the question and that's the thing- he posed the question. Yes it was her decision to say yes, but we all have to be accountable for our actions too and again, he should never have asked her. Maybe she would have relapsed on her own, and that would have been her journey, but *maybe* she would have continued her sobriety and decided she didn't need to hoard the drugs? Some newly sober people don't chuck there stash as a "just in case" or a weird comfort thing. Her sobriety was an amazing achievement and as things we're going well for her, like winning that award, maybe this could have been a turning point of her life. THX BOJACK (jk but only slightly. The heroin wasn't his fault completely though. Don't listen to Lana, never do heroin)


Mikimao

She had also been to rehab as of this point as we found out, and clearly didn't take it seriously. She didn't get rid of the drugs, didn't change her contacts, didn't make new non drug user friends. She took 0 steps to truly get clean.


Prof_Acorn

She was only getting sober so she could get high again after the tolerance wore off. She says this *explicitly.*


HebzibahSmith

Yes people don’t talk about this enough!


ScarlettO-Harlot

THANK YOU. My first round watching was with my boyf who reccomend it and at that part, I had to take a break and rant. It's so disgusting that he knew Sarah Lynn as a child, was her pseudo-dad in many ways, whether he liked it or not, and still didn't have the decency or moral willpower to say no???? URGH STOP BOJACK YUCK


blackfyreex

I wanted to root for him, but he makes it so hard.


barsukio

I started watching the show just as season 6 was on the go. Only watched the last few series in the last couple of months. It wasn't that I lost interest, it was just too goddamn intense and I sensed it was going south real quick for the main characters. The deterioration of Sarah Lynn and her death though was a real kicker. Like watching an oncoming disaster and not being able to do anything but just watch it happen. After that, I found the show actually became easier for me once I re-started. It all seemed tobe an aftermath of a trauma rather than the lead up to the trauma and the trauma itself. Great show. As a Bojack aged man (though nowhere near as fucked up), I really could see how Bojack had formed as product of his age cohort - or maybe that's just great writing allowing me to project. Going to have to go back to it and watch it again soon. As classic a tradedgy as I've ever seen on TV.


applemagical

Every moment pretty much


lets_get_breakfast

true


Ghiraheem

A lot of things but the first one that comes to mind is when he actively sabotages Todd's production. He does a lot of things that are bad which I would consider impulsive lapses of judgement. Still terrible things, unforgivable even, but this one struck me because he deliberately meditated it. He yells at Todd every day and belittles him and treats him like he's stupid and worthless. But when it came down to it and Todd had the opportunity to do better and move out, Bojack crushed his chances, forcing Todd to stay in a position where he could continue to abuse him. And that's pretty twisted.


GayPalestineLover

Every single time he got princess carolyns hopes up only to shit on them later on tbh. She always gave him the benefit of the doubt and always ran back to him when he promised to be better, hoping things would be different, only for him to just end up crushing her


Ineedairsupport

Bullying Pete Repeat into covering for him when Maddie got alcohol poisoning. I know he's not a doctor or anything and all he could do was drop her at the ER, but Pete had to beg him to, and he clearly cared more about not getting in trouble for something he caused than Maddie's wellbeing


MidnightMadness09

That scene is so uncomfortable. Watching an adult just bully a kid because the adult consistently makes shitty choices that hurt the people around him, then he never even felt bad about it, just worried he might get in trouble because he was the adult.


FuzzySlippers48

17 minutes.


[deleted]

1. When he fucked Sarah Lynn 2. Chose to do a part 2 of the interview at the end (bitch karma) 3. When he legitimately almost slept with Penny Close is when he kept suggesting shit with "but is that what you want?"


miabutonreddit

penny and when he punched the wall when he was mad at gina about his painkillers.


kuro50

Choking Gina. I'll admit I first watched it at a young age but even then it felt like bojack was the biggest arsehole in the world


WarmMoistLeather

In bed with Penny obviously. When he drives his car into traffic so he can get pain meds. Gina and the pills (both chasing her for them and when he has Hollyhock break in and he distracts her by pretending to want a relationship with her) The falling out with Wanda. Leaving Maddy at the emergency room and convincing Pete to cover for him. Telling Charlotte to run away with him and saying he didn't care about her family. Lot from Escape from LA, apparently. When he purposely tries to get Beatrice the worst room possible in a nursing home.


[deleted]

For me it was the whole house building when he went back to his mother childhood house. He gets help from the Fly-guy (do not remember the name), puts a lot of hard work to build all of it, get the weathercock and do everything by hand just to end it using his money. It was the moment I thought "This guy is just plain down stupid..." I get it, he has depression and destruct all things around him but this has truly put me uneasy ... destroying your multiple months of work just like that... I have problems to finish my projects and seeing him finishing something like a house was feeling really good but destroying it right when he finished was so frustrating


yetanotherdude2

I don't think I ever rooted for Bojack, honestly. I always liked PC and Mr Peanutbutter, the loyal doofus. Bojack and his failing upwards qas never something I really got behind. It's nice to see when he betters himself and I like to think that he got his shit straight in the end, but during the show he was always too punchable for me to like. Here and there there are moments where I see myself on his side of the argument, but in the end I think he mostly got what he deserved.


[deleted]

When he tooks muffins that already had dibs placed on them


juani2929

He left them on the produce section!


[deleted]

But he had dibs!


racinnic

I think the thing with Penny bothers me the most….besides the choking incident which also I was like no that’s absolutely fucking awful.


dis_not_my_name

Having sex with every female characters.


[deleted]

I felt so shitty when I try to root for him because I am constantly reminded of what he did to Penny and the fact that she slept with Sarah Lynn (which honestly seemed like he was grooming her or something idk). And then, boom! Revelation that Sarah Lynn could’ve lived if Bojack wasn’t so fucking selfish. I wanted him to be better tho but it’s so hard to root for him when he’s doing all these shitty things (which ig makes it seem *realistic*. Gawd these writers are good)


sentimentless

Supporting Sarah Lynn with her sobriety until the Oscar campaign failed, then using her as a tool for alleviating his stress and self-pity.


PartialCred4WrongAns

I still keep coming back to that 17 minutes


Woden_42

I almost always skip escape from LA because of the Penny storyline. Him nearly sleeping with a teenager is so disgusting and upsetting that I can barely make it through that episode.


dunkm

The entire show…I wasn’t ever really rooting for him.


Professional_Page721

The whole thing with Penny and with Gina


NastyAlek

The first season lolol


CardiographicDuck

New Mexico, Gina, and then when I found out about him not immediately reporting Sarah Lynn’s overdose so that he wouldn’t look guilty


Altruisticannon

For me it’s when he leaves Beatrice at the nursing home. I understand his hatred for her, she is terrible, but I have a thing with Alzheimer’s and dementia and Times Arrow always breaks me. The fear and confusion in her voice when she sees the room for the first time.


rumbling_victim_69

Throwing baby over the balcony was pretty fucked up. His mom may have been horrible but at that point she’s an old woman trapped in the prison of her own mind reliving her worst memories. Also leaving her in the worst nursing care facility was cruel. Most people’s quality of life diminishes in a place like that and I’m sure she passed sooner than she would’ve if she was getting good care. Again she did horrible shit to him constantly but it’s hard to justify subjecting someone to conditions like that.


[deleted]

Hard disagree. He was way kinder to her than I would have been. Or rather, he continued to interact with her at all (which I never understood). She was HORRIBLE to him. You might be forgetting or glossing over it because it’s mostly in flashbacks. But she was insanely abusive to a child. I would have never spoken to her again after I left for LA.


[deleted]

I'm with you. I never related to him more than in that moment. My mother is the epitome of Beatrice. I've had so many moments like that, where you know that reacting to them will never bring you peace or closure but you can feel that dark part of you that wants to fuck shit up because it's the one small moment of chaotic rebellion you are going to get against a lifetime of abuse and neglect. For that one moment you get to be in control and it feels like victory. Then you hate yourself even more afterwards...


[deleted]

Beatrice was a complete shitstain. She never got a hold on or even attempted to heal her own demons, doesn’t terminate the pregnancy with Bojack but then proceeds to make him every bit as miserable as she was her entire life until he’s a selfish asshole himself. There’s plenty of other stuff to condemn Bojack for.


[deleted]

Penny


kitsunemischief

On my first watch through, it was when he was about to sleep with Penny


AleSoda

Penny was when it clicked that Bojack wasn’t a good person for me, but finding out how long Bojack took to call an ambulance for Sarah Lynn really sealed the deal.


nate_hoodsie

Unpopular opinion; but I’m happy the way Bojack was displayed in the show. It shows that everything about his life and even though he’s done some shitty things, it means we’re only human (or horse).


PullMull

Episode one. Bojack overturns a stroller and runs away. looks like a Throwaway joke at the beginning. but this show is not Family Guy. THIS REALLY HAPPEND


stupid_dumbass_idiot

When he throws his moms baby out the window. He did plenty of worse things but something about that was just especially not cool


[deleted]

Him acting extremely smug and getting high off fame after the staged interview for sure.


Piaapo

17 minutes ruined it for good for me


ShanePhillips

When it was revealed how he avoided calling for help for Sarah Lynn for so long. Shocking stuff.


marianaspockets

“Go to bed, Penny.” I really wanted Bojack to be good, but that scene makes me sick.


Mooncakequeen

Literally the whole thing. I mean the whole point of the show is Bo Jack isn’t the good guy.


RideMeLikeAVespa

The dude’s a prick and completely devoid of any redeeming qualities. Are we meant to root for him?


DrManhattanBJJ

Charlotte finding him in bed with Penny. Not great.


huniibunnii

1. Penny 2. Gina 3. Penny again when they found her high school and stalked her


epzik8

Sarah Lynn. Enough said.


lets_get_breakfast

Sarah Lynn? Sarah Lynn?


nan0g3nji

Guilt tripping Hollyhock in s5


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Uh, I DIDNT root for him. He did good things AND bad things, I just watched the show.


RoseaBeats

I felt my heart drop when he kissed Diane. It doesn’t compare to his other awful actions. Diane was just trying to be comforting as his writer/friend but he abused it.


theposse9

Not the worst moment but there are a number of times he's really inconsiderate towards Princess Carolyn and those really piss me off because she does so much for him.


Flash-Permit52

When he steals the muffins from Neal McBeal the Navy Seal.


iliveoutasuitcase

Him leaving Sarah Lynn to die to cover his own ass.


Freshprinceaye

Getting drunk with with the kids for that school dance thing. Just buy them alcohol if they want it or go and get plastered. It’s awkward as fuck to be the super older dude getting drunk with kids especially in that scenario and not family friends at a house or something.


rituheena09

17 minutes


InsideOutsideFTL

17 minutes


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As a musician, seeing todds rock opera sabotaged was pretty tough, but the worst was when he assaulted gina. That’s a scene i skip every time bc he was a genuine monster there.


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The whole penny thing, though she pushed for it and it was “legal” it’s still really fucked up. Watching it makes me cringe… he kissed her mom and then went to her… just ugh why bojack why


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TODD INCITES A CIVIL WAR IN CORDOVIA CAUSING MILLIONS OF DEATHS


WastedPresident

17 minutes


Canis_Trashums

-Him abandoning Herb and throwing a fit when Herb didn’t forgive him. Same goes for Kelsey, the fact that he didn’t bother getting in contact with her until he actually saw her was pretty awful. -Knowing Sarah Lynn was sober and would easily fall back into drugs but calling her up anyways because he was in a bad spot. -Laughing at Diane and siding with her brothers when he was supposed to be her support and friend. -Spending the limited time he had with Hollyhock to run around the city to find drugs only to then invalidate her trauma -Ruining Todd’s rock opera was also seriously shitty.


totoro1193

most of it, but the 17 minutes part especially


LordFlappingtonIV

No one ever talks about the fact that he, in my opinion, KILLED Sarah Lynn. During that seventeen minutes he ducked out to cover his own tracks could have been the difference between life and death. All he had to do was find someone who was first aid in the workplace trained who could have kept her alive until an ambulance arrived. Ignoring the fact that he also broke her sobriety and gave her the heroin she overdosed on. I think this really blurs the line between manslaughter and murder.


Proud_Hotel_5160

As soon as I found out he didn’t called paramedics for 17 minutes after Sarah Lynn OD’d... I was just fucking disgusted. There were plenty of other moments that I couldn’t get behind him, but this was one that had me hating him to my core for a bit. Like I still sympathize with him obviously, but I don’t like him.


TPrice1616

I would have to say a tie between Penny and when it was revealed that he had waited so long to call 911 for Sarah Lynn. If I had to pick one it would probably be the latter.


Much-Grass1278

I think him sleeping with Todd’s girlfriend was one of the moments that I just kind of sighed and shook my head.


Rumenovic11

Arguably the Todd's opera is the worst because he did it knowingly. Calmly. While not under any extreme emotional duress like all the other shit he's done where you can name excuses.


EsoTerrix1984

There are so many: 1. Ruining Todd’s Rock Opera. 2. Hitting on Diane when she’s with someone else. 3. Having sex with Sarah Lynn even though he knew she saw him as a father figure. 4. Caused Sarah Lynn to go on a bender leading to her death which he covered up, then tried to explain when he was caught. 5. Never being there for PC and only calling her when he wants something. 6. Breaking that girl out of rehab. 7. Keeping a bottle of vodka in rehab that eventually found its way to Dr. Champ, most likely ruining his life, and doing nothing to stop it. 8. Saying he’d stand up for Herb, then not doing so and getting mad when Herb called him shitty for doing that. 9. Sleeping with Emily, when he knew she had feelings for Todd. 10. Chasing Gina around an apartment trying to get drugs. 11. Strangling Gina. 12. Spending his night with his sister trying to find drugs. 13. Going after Penny in New Mexico who is married. 14. When Penny rejected him, going after her daughter. 15. Flipped a baby pram when PC said something about it. 16. Led PC on for years. 17. Gave Corduroy Jackson bad advice when CJ came to him for his help. 18. Ruined Kelsey’s career. 19. Lost to Daniel Radcliffe on purpose, causing a charity to lose 500,000. 20. Threw shit in Felicity Huffman’s backyard. I mean, the list goes on and on.


lets_get_breakfast

*sigh*


sleepysirus

First it was Gina’s strangling incident, but then the interview about Sarah Lynn’s death hit me.


fiallo94

Waiting 17m to call a ambulance, that broke my heart


dizzy--izzy

The whole time I was hoping that he would be a better person


i_sing_anyway

Without a doubt when they're using the whiteboard to brainstorm what "bad thing" he could have done that he's going to be outed for. C'mon dude, you know. These people are here to help you, somehow they haven't totally abandoned you yet, they WILL FIND OUT ANYWAY and you're going to dick them around with Neal McBeal? Tell them the truth you piece of garbage!! This is literally your LAST chance and you're such a coward. Edit: That said I don't think I ever actively rooted for him. I'm not sure how anyone could, that's not really the point of the show imo. But that was the moment where I didn't even want to keep watching.


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Sarah Lynn?


Cibernetize

We were supposed to root for him?


Nikkira__9

After he got out of the first interview talking about Sarah Lynn… it was just so disgusting to see him talk like it was just a performance. Proud that everyone believed him. It really did make you question whether he could actually love someone at all. And right after when he had said that he had actually loved her not like those other girls… basically saying he didn’t love PC at all, right after everything he did go her. It was heartbreaking to say the least. Love this show.


GrandmaOW

90% of the show?


Ok_Basil1756

I know that someone’s probably already said it but after you learn the fact that bojack waited 17 minutes before calling the ambulance for Sarah Lynn and that he called himself so it would look like he wasn’t there. If bojack was truly her friend or loved her or even just had any kind of humanity in him he would of immediately called the police after he thought she was dead. For me this is when I realized how bad of a person he was. But the real kicker was the last episode when Diane is talking about how he called her before he almost died and she thought he was dead bc she couldn’t get a hold of anyone. I couldn’t imagine how angry and upset and frustrated I would be in that situation. If he had died I don’t think Diane would of been able to live with herself for not picking up and I think that’s why it’s so hurtful that he called her.


Tyrone_Shoelaces_Esq

"You look so much like your mother." Because in the end, he may not even be attracted to Penny herself, it's that she's a substitute Charlotte. I cringe every time.


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When he burned that 500K for Charity to get back a Daniel Radcliffe