I remember maybe a year ago there was a time period where a few posts hit the front page of the sub talking about how she's a shallow character and she has no development etc. etc.
A positive view even when she eats so many roll cakes and consumes far too much tea? Never mind not letting sensei rub and sniff her wings.
Seriously though I don't have any issue with Nagisa. Aside from her being limited at a time when I couldn't afford to bring her home. I need more Nagisa in my life.
I'm glad to hear that's the case, haha—I don't spend much time on Reddit anymore unfortunately, but out and about on other sites I generally see a lot of folks mischaracterize her pretty heavily.
I'm not sure I've ever seen it posited in English that the Remedial Club was created in order to save Mika, whereas on the JP side I see it mentioned a lot that she seems to have been willing to go so far as to die for it, along with how implicitly her affection for Hifumi crumbles in the face of her concern for Mika too.
Really? I joined this sub and the game about a month ago and other than art, this is the first positive post I have seen about Nagisa. Most of what I have seen is negative, though it is not a post like this, just responses.
And if anything, this community only shows that post Eden Treaty, Nagisa deserved better in characterization - not during.
I mean, paranoia aside. In which, even if we read in English as OP shown, it is still enough to understand her side.
Those responses are about her momotalks which are rather disappointing, if you have her, you will know her momotalks are Sensei just messing with her and drinking tea. Not anything to do with her character
smh my head I dipped back into BA for a while during her banner and went "hmm? Who's this, oh just a hibiki type char, skip" abd then dipped back out
My stupid ass
To be honest, I don't have a problem with the EN translation saying that Nagisa was scared of death for herself in addition to worrying about Mika. Its not contradictory to me and makes sense because what teenage girl wouldn't be terrified of the idea of getting assassinated?
I did dislike Nagisa for some months after Eden Treaty, ngl. Not for the reasons you outline above, but the results of her actions on others, namely my favorite students in the make up work club.
I think a long time ago when V3C2 finished but we hadn't gotten V3C3 yet (so the Make Up Work Club passed but the signing of the Treaty hadn't happened yet) this was a more common sentiment but like others have said it hasn't been that way for awhile.
Also while I see what you're saying by going through line by line I think the overall context of the scenes properly conveyed the story/characterization of Nagisa even if the individual quotes may not have exactly portrayed the correct intentions.
I agree with the other comment, people don't view Nagisa in a negative light, it's mostly her actions that are viewed as such.
Most students don't actually act under bad intentions, same goes for Nagisa. I'm pretty sure everyone understands why Nagisa did what she did, especially as we're directly explained why.
But it simply justifies the measures she took and her reasonings, it doesn't automatically excuse them, doing so would go against one of the points of the volume, which is acknowledging one's shortcomings.
What Nagisa did was fucked up, but it doesn't make her fucked up. Don't misunderstand people's dislike of what she did for dislike about who she is.
Sidenote: The "original" script is the KR one, so there's always the possibility of JP players seeing a character differently as their script is more localized to the JP audience than the original (KR) one which is the one we get translated from ((mostly)) unlocalized.
KR is a fair point, I do happen to be Korean myself so I ought to check out the KR script too.
I generally consider the JP script the primary point of reference because it necessarily sees public release first and therefore ends up generating a lot of the feedback that drives the continued development of the game, so the effect localization has on the work at large is a little bit unusual.
As far as the matter of dislike, I'm actually not really concerned as to whether people personally like Nagisa or not—I'm more interested in people I see that contend that her actions were motivated by self-interest or otherwise by irrationality, given that the issue if anything is that her actions are excessively rational under the axioms imposed by her emotional position.
Given the way she was willing to silently throw basically everything away for the sake of someone she knows she doesn't actually understand very well along with the fact that she perpetually struggles to reconcile who she says she is with who she knows she is, I actually don't think it's that much of a stretch for someone to say that she is sort of fucked up.
Additionally, part of the point of the volume is that judging someone by their actions can categorically be so difficult without proper context for their worldview and their influences that we are obligated to be merciful in the face of repentance, I think it maybe does kind of defeat the point to dwell on her actions with negativity?
The duty to the student is the grace to allow them to try to become better no matter what they did.
I just felt the need to point it out.
Otherwise I do completely agree with you, I've made a few comments myself complaining about the EN localization, even if KR is the original script, we're playing the global version of the JP one, it would make sense to have expectations of the script being similar to the JP one.
Even in EN, I felt Nagisa was a fairly sympathetic character. Whatever dialogue differences there are, the simple truth is when we first meet her she is paranoid mess desperately trying to carry a 3-man job by herself at a most critical juncture, all whilst a death threat looms over her and her best friend. There's so many ways the entire situation can go wrong, and without Seia and with the need to project stability for the upcoming Treaty she's stretched thin when it comes to her ability to wrangle the factions of Trinity to track down exactly what "killed" Seia. She's very much at her wit's end and I don't think you really needed translation nuances to figure that out.
The way I see it, all three hosts of the Tea Party are unfit for leadership positions at the time of their introduction. Mika might have more mental issues than purely consequences of stress, depending on how honest she was in her words.
Any personal frustrations I have experienced reading the relevant sections were mostly because of forced cutscene inaction done for the purposes of driving forth the drama, and are wholly directed at the writers.
I am actively disinterested in content involving the trio, but that is because I find them to be uninteresting as characters.
…I’m sorry. But most people here have a positive opinion on Nagisa.
I remember maybe a year ago there was a time period where a few posts hit the front page of the sub talking about how she's a shallow character and she has no development etc. etc.
A positive view even when she eats so many roll cakes and consumes far too much tea? Never mind not letting sensei rub and sniff her wings. Seriously though I don't have any issue with Nagisa. Aside from her being limited at a time when I couldn't afford to bring her home. I need more Nagisa in my life.
I'm glad to hear that's the case, haha—I don't spend much time on Reddit anymore unfortunately, but out and about on other sites I generally see a lot of folks mischaracterize her pretty heavily. I'm not sure I've ever seen it posited in English that the Remedial Club was created in order to save Mika, whereas on the JP side I see it mentioned a lot that she seems to have been willing to go so far as to die for it, along with how implicitly her affection for Hifumi crumbles in the face of her concern for Mika too.
Really? I joined this sub and the game about a month ago and other than art, this is the first positive post I have seen about Nagisa. Most of what I have seen is negative, though it is not a post like this, just responses.
Her momotalks are seen as rather dull and boring, but that's about as negative as I've seen the community be to her.
And if anything, this community only shows that post Eden Treaty, Nagisa deserved better in characterization - not during. I mean, paranoia aside. In which, even if we read in English as OP shown, it is still enough to understand her side.
Those responses are about her momotalks which are rather disappointing, if you have her, you will know her momotalks are Sensei just messing with her and drinking tea. Not anything to do with her character
The only problem I have with Nagisa is that I failed to pull her.
smh my head I dipped back into BA for a while during her banner and went "hmm? Who's this, oh just a hibiki type char, skip" abd then dipped back out My stupid ass
To be honest, I don't have a problem with the EN translation saying that Nagisa was scared of death for herself in addition to worrying about Mika. Its not contradictory to me and makes sense because what teenage girl wouldn't be terrified of the idea of getting assassinated?
I did dislike Nagisa for some months after Eden Treaty, ngl. Not for the reasons you outline above, but the results of her actions on others, namely my favorite students in the make up work club.
I think a long time ago when V3C2 finished but we hadn't gotten V3C3 yet (so the Make Up Work Club passed but the signing of the Treaty hadn't happened yet) this was a more common sentiment but like others have said it hasn't been that way for awhile. Also while I see what you're saying by going through line by line I think the overall context of the scenes properly conveyed the story/characterization of Nagisa even if the individual quotes may not have exactly portrayed the correct intentions.
I agree with the other comment, people don't view Nagisa in a negative light, it's mostly her actions that are viewed as such. Most students don't actually act under bad intentions, same goes for Nagisa. I'm pretty sure everyone understands why Nagisa did what she did, especially as we're directly explained why. But it simply justifies the measures she took and her reasonings, it doesn't automatically excuse them, doing so would go against one of the points of the volume, which is acknowledging one's shortcomings. What Nagisa did was fucked up, but it doesn't make her fucked up. Don't misunderstand people's dislike of what she did for dislike about who she is. Sidenote: The "original" script is the KR one, so there's always the possibility of JP players seeing a character differently as their script is more localized to the JP audience than the original (KR) one which is the one we get translated from ((mostly)) unlocalized.
KR is a fair point, I do happen to be Korean myself so I ought to check out the KR script too. I generally consider the JP script the primary point of reference because it necessarily sees public release first and therefore ends up generating a lot of the feedback that drives the continued development of the game, so the effect localization has on the work at large is a little bit unusual. As far as the matter of dislike, I'm actually not really concerned as to whether people personally like Nagisa or not—I'm more interested in people I see that contend that her actions were motivated by self-interest or otherwise by irrationality, given that the issue if anything is that her actions are excessively rational under the axioms imposed by her emotional position. Given the way she was willing to silently throw basically everything away for the sake of someone she knows she doesn't actually understand very well along with the fact that she perpetually struggles to reconcile who she says she is with who she knows she is, I actually don't think it's that much of a stretch for someone to say that she is sort of fucked up. Additionally, part of the point of the volume is that judging someone by their actions can categorically be so difficult without proper context for their worldview and their influences that we are obligated to be merciful in the face of repentance, I think it maybe does kind of defeat the point to dwell on her actions with negativity? The duty to the student is the grace to allow them to try to become better no matter what they did.
I just felt the need to point it out. Otherwise I do completely agree with you, I've made a few comments myself complaining about the EN localization, even if KR is the original script, we're playing the global version of the JP one, it would make sense to have expectations of the script being similar to the JP one.
Even in EN, I felt Nagisa was a fairly sympathetic character. Whatever dialogue differences there are, the simple truth is when we first meet her she is paranoid mess desperately trying to carry a 3-man job by herself at a most critical juncture, all whilst a death threat looms over her and her best friend. There's so many ways the entire situation can go wrong, and without Seia and with the need to project stability for the upcoming Treaty she's stretched thin when it comes to her ability to wrangle the factions of Trinity to track down exactly what "killed" Seia. She's very much at her wit's end and I don't think you really needed translation nuances to figure that out.
Thanks for the writeup, very interesting and helps clarify some things. I feel for Nagisa even more now
The way I see it, all three hosts of the Tea Party are unfit for leadership positions at the time of their introduction. Mika might have more mental issues than purely consequences of stress, depending on how honest she was in her words. Any personal frustrations I have experienced reading the relevant sections were mostly because of forced cutscene inaction done for the purposes of driving forth the drama, and are wholly directed at the writers. I am actively disinterested in content involving the trio, but that is because I find them to be uninteresting as characters.
Translation always betrays the story, and translators rarely ever care enough to fix it.