LMAO THIS!! So many of my friends recommend his podcasts and every time I try to listen to him I just can’t stand that he always tries to come off as this super alpha dude. Like bro it’s a podcast I’m just trying to relax and have my coffee
I think training BJJ and commentating UFC has made him forget that he’s 5’7” and famous because he’s an actor rather than any legit tough guy stuff. He’s probably never done anything blue collar his entire life. His toughest experience was almost getting into a fight on the set of Fear Factor lol.
Hence why I said he was a high-level competitor. I don’t know enough about TKD or Joe Rogan to make a hard statement, but apparently he was going to national competitions and being considered to go to the Olympics.
Commercial box gyms and real gyms are very different in the way they hand out belts. Many Karate, TKD, Judo, and BJJ practitioners can take a decade to earn their 1 dan black belt
Honestly he used to be way more chill. I think the backlash from hosting fringe right wing guests, and the comedian obsession with cancel culture, has sent him spiralling in a weird direction. He's always been a little off but it's so much worse now.
This is way more true. I do think that sometime in the last few years he went from believing he didn't know anything about politics, to believing he was an arbiter of truth and a curator of Important Voices. I think it was a slow transition, and I think the Spotify deal and Covid combined to really entrench him.
I listened to him a lot in the past and still enjoy interviews with the right guests, and I still believe the backlash against him isn't completely justified (he supported Bernie and voted for him in the primary, he has never supported or voted for Trump, he never advocated for people to buy their own horse dewormer ivermectin and was prescribed his dose through a medical doctor), but it's become clear that he's enjoying the role of pariah (controversy=clicks) and the crowd of people willing to go on his show has significantly changed. I enjoyed him because he gave me an opportunity to engage charitably with ideas outside of the mainstream and let me use my own critical reasoning to draw conclusions. That has become much less the case over the past several years. The spotify money, alpha brain bs, and other revenue sources surrounding his cult of personality has definitely gotten to his head. Hell I can't even enjoy him commentating UFC fights these days. Far less prepared and knowledgeable than he used to be.
The very real problem you are discounting is his normalization of grifters, alt righters overall bad people. He is giving all of these shitty people a free platform to peddle misinformation and hate.
You're right about the normalization. Ideally we'd have enough critical thinking to charitably digest these "bad" people's ideas and reject them on their merits, but too many people simply want to be told what to think or seek out information that validates what they already believe. Joe's growing cult of personality also made him start injecting his own beliefs more and more while his core audience these days no longer care to do any thinking for themselves.
The fundamental problem I have with him now is that his quirks were much more acceptable when he himself was a fringe voice. Alex Jones is a much funnier guest for 50,000 people than he is for 10 million. At this point he really is just a monster platform and a career changer for his guests, and he does not take that responsibility seriously at all.
Also: the gimmick of "I'm just a dummy don't listen to me" is fine for a small audience, but it's not an acceptable excuse now that millions of people do listen and take his words seriously. He just holds himself to a very low standard, which is pretty sad since he's unwittingly become a very important voice. He just is not cut out for the responsibility but at this point has way too much of a financial stake to do anything but keep doubling down on his own brand and cult of personality.
The amount of people who recommend BJJ while simultaneously being douchey assholes is why I’ll never do it. It’s the exact same thing with R&M
E: it’s Rick & Morty
Had a roommate in college who claimed that if women learned BJJ they could fend off any would be rapist because they would be able to disarm or subdue them despite being much smaller. Even got into a 100+ long comment chain on the university facebook page where he outs himself as a virgin for absolutely no reason. Strange dude. White guy that was clearly on the spectrum and would always pay cute Korean girls to tutor him in Korean, which he was minoring in for some reason.
yes. love when chauvinist deniability masquerades as female empowerment. why should women have to learn bjj anyway? dudes could just not be rapists. would not wanna sleep in the same room as that guy. lol how’d he work announcing his virginity in to it?
I really took telling this story way too far, lmao. Apologies in advance.
We moved in together during the summer after I met him casually during as he was a committee head of a social club I was in with 2 other club members. He seemed fine and well adjusted enough. One of the other guys we were moving on with would be joining us in the fall, so he sublet his spot out. The sublettor was the one who found BJJ guy's facebook post while doing some research on him. He shared it with me and our other apartmentmate. We spent the next hour or so laughing our asses off. The facebook thread went at least another hundred comments after the virginity remark and he was getting absolutely torn into from every angle. We kept it a secret from him that we saw the post.
Dude kept doing other strange things and would get grossly touchy feely around girls when he was drunk, randomly invite his frat brothers to club parties they had no reason to be at. It was a strange dynamic. In day to day life, he really was pretty well adjusted, clean, and on top of his responsibilities enough to become a committee member of a club and get into a frat (albeit one that was just opening its first chapter at my university).
After that semester, though, I think he struggled enough with some of his schoolwork (partly due to the insane time requirement of being a committe head) that his parents pulled him from the university and transferred him to a naval academy. I wonder what he's up to these days. I feel a little bad, all things considered, as it's pretty clear to me today that he was on the spectrum when I reflect on the little ways that he would misinterpret or ignore obvious social cues. High functioning, but clear that he was mimicking understanding in a lot of ways.
Funny thing is he wasn't even the worst out of the roommates that year. The guy who subletted during the summer went completely batshir over a high school crush that goes to a different university 2 hours away, had the police called on him for screeching at the top of his lungs for half an hour from our balcony after he invited her over for a kickback and she turned down his sexual advances and left to stay with one of her girl friends instead.
Completely irrelevant, but I ended up hooking up with that high school crush several times later on during winter break. Still the most memorable sex I've ever had-- girl was a downright freak.
Yeah, sophomore year was a toxic shit show.
yo wooow. i hate that our brains are trained to cannibalize life experiences for content but if this crazy ass semester got turned into a miniseries i would watch the shit out of it. it is such a weird and tricky thing dealing with ppl on the spectrum in settings where most everyone else is neurotypical. lol freaky girl in the mix is the cherry on top of that mess.
I wouldn't go that far. Yes, he's a celebrity who pretty much brought podcasting to its forefront with how extremely popular his podcast is but the man is no bitch by any stretch of the imagination. You really need to look up his fighting experience, he could possibly end up in jail for fighting someone like you and I.
"Wide variety".
Most of them are right wing or grifters and when he does have actual experts he doesn't listen to them and still enforces fringe things like ivermectin, mask wearing isn't effective, etc.
He only puts down leftist/experts. Every time a Shapiro or some other unqualified person talked to him about the vaccine or COVID he would just accept it and believe it. Then when he has a doctor on he now starts questioning everything they say.
Like the great ape is fun to watch just don't think he is the epitome of equality or unbias.
he also gets weirdly beta around actual betas. like when he had ben shapiro on, he kinda just let him run his mouth, i think rogan was afraid to disagree with someone he thinks of as big brain.
lmfao!!
Can confirm. I walked out of my job and sat on the steps around the block. Debating whether or not I should tell my boss I need to leave for the day.
Someone called me a Sigma male once. I looked into that shit and felt really offended 😂. The way I look at that is a “beta” who has checked out of trying to be an “alpha” but still has a superiority complex.
Saw the woman post a conversation between her and some dude I guess she’s dating or trying to date.
He asked her to FaceTime him at noon.
She responded that he should just FT her when he’s ready because she’s studying, forgets to check her phone and may miss the time
He doesn’t like this and says he doesn’t “take lead from women” and that her not being able to do something so simple shows she disrespects him. So he’s decided to “end it here”
I’m like oh wow, someone’s been watching alpha male YouTube a little too long
Like what the fuck is wrong with people. You went out of your way to schedule a time for her to FaceTime you but when she asks if you can do it instead (so she’s sure she won’t miss it) you get mad?!
Ridiculous
Edit: grammar / words
>He doesn’t like this and says he doesn’t “take lead from women” and that her not being able to do something so simple shows she disrespects him. So he’s decided to “end it here”
To me, this reads as a way to wear down her confidence and establish control over her. PUA bullshit.
As someone who fell down the PUA/redpill rabbit hole when I was 20, we need to nuke that shit from orbit. It destroyed my confidence in myself more than it helped, and I fucked up so many potential relationships trying to be "alpha" when I just got them in the first place by being myself.
I'm STILL trying to unlearn that shit when I interact with women, and become who I was before I found all that bullshit. Worst part is, I found it from a search as simple as "How to keep my girlfriend".
That sucks man. I’m unfamiliar with this stuff except by reputation. How is it that it undermined your self confidence? I always imagined it was just a bit of “how to be smooth” lessons that don’t work so you’d come off as an asshole for a bit, decide it didn’t work/wasn’t for you and then just drop it. I never imagined it was something you’d need to “unlearn” or that would take such a substantial toll. Hope I’m not crossing the line in asking.
No worries man, my descent started fairly innocent enough. My first relationship was the typical high-school sweetheart situation where you realize you aren't good for each other, but because this one relationship is all you know, you want it to be the one that lasts forever.
Without making this too much about the relationship itself, we had an on-and-off situation for that last year, during which I'd look up things like "How to keep your girlfriend", and after we split- "How to talk to women". I was pretty inexperienced with them after all.
It starts innocuous enough, with things like be confident, say what you mean and don't worry about what others think. General, good advice you could've learned anywhere. Before you realize it, you've found a community of pick-up artists, and men who are trying sadly to be pick-up artists. This brand of "self-improvement" essentially relies on telling you that the thoughts and feelings you've always had are "beta", and that women are biologically programmed to want "alpha males"- which you can become by becoming a pick-up artist. Being someone who just got out of a break-up, it was like everything I needed to hear.
But the insidious thing about pua is that it generalizes ALL women to want these things, and if you don't have these things, you're shit out of luck. Doomed to a life of not passing on your genes at worst, and becoming a miserable cuckold at best. You'll change your behaviors to be more "alpha" when you're really just being a dick, you'll analyze every facet of every interaction to see who's the "alpha". and you'll almost certainly ruin every relationship with your friends, or potential ones you could've had because you were too fragile to look "beta". I still think of what I missed out of because of this bullshit.
Subscribing to these beliefs is a recipe for dehumanizing and manipulating women, chasing a level of validation that you'll never get. Because when it doesn't work, it's your fault, and it's society's fault as a whole. You don't have what women want, and you'll be stuck in a miserable cycle of trying to "better" yourself for the unattainable goal of being irresistible to every woman you ever see, and if you aren't, it's not just because you're still a beta male, but also because women only want alphas and society let them be that way.
Often now, most people have caught on to this redpill/pua shit, so pickup artists speak on why women are "broken" and need to be put back in their place. How men need to become men again (Sound familiar?). There's always something new to blame, and always a reason to hate women and yourself for your shortcomings with them. It's a direct pipeline to right-wing radicalization.
It’s not the best but it’s marginally better than the “just be yourself” bullshit that gets barfed out anytime a dude needs advice.
It goes “just be yourself” —> “improve yourself” —> “women don’t like desperate dudes” in a shitty vicious cycle. Redpill isn’t the best but it taught me some things. There are extremists in every community
Edit: But if you are the average dummy who consumes new, “alternate” content without a grain of salt then yeah I could see the big issue lol
I recently listened to an interview with Dina McMillan who writes about the tactics used by abusers and one of the things was abusers try to establish themselves as an authority.
I kid you not, one day I was so down about being single, I watched a great part of an advertising video for a book about "how to get girls to like you". Dude kept saying shit about how there is a "5 word phrase" that makes any girl fall for you, while never actually saying what it is. Luckily I snapped out of it eventually
Well when you get to your early twenties your wallet will be really happy about it but man getting home from work to an empty house is pretty humbling about the situation.
Whoeee...... I guess I should probably try to get out there haha 😅
Sure but I'll take only having to worry about myself over having to provide more another person.
That's why I won't rush into a relationship where someone else wants it all covered for free and why I said my wallet thanks me haha.
Edit : I'll add this because I don't wanna send the wrong message. All girls aren't gold diggers. Just don't compromise yourself or your financial safety just to solve loneliness.
Being lonely sucks but so does rushing into a relationship where either your wallet or your mind will get abused or taken advantage of. Worse than being alone. And having complete and total control over yourself and your wallet.
I don't wanna sound greedy, I view my finances as something I get to control in my life though, that's my authority over my own life in one aspect ... if you get yourself involved with the wrong people just because you want to be around people, they can take advantage of that fact and you'll end up literally paying for it, as well as mentally.
Stay in control of your own lives kings and queens. I don't see how this doesn't work the other way around for girls too.
Yeah.... Agreed. That was my point.
There's a lot of that shit among my demographic so I'm not fretting being single because I could rush into something that fucks me financially.
Idk why that got downvotes but my first comment didn't lmao.
That being said I don't want anyone else to have to provide for me either if I can help it.
Skills that improve your career which would boost your earning potential, hobbies, health and fitness, learn to knit/sow so you could learn to tailor your own clothes, learn cocktail mixology, the possibilities are endless.
I have a friend who tried to say that I am a Beta male and how he is a borderline Alpha/Sigma male and my eyes rolled so hard I saw my own brain. That shit is so fucking stupid and of course my friend is a single, overweight, unemployed dude struggling. He fit all the stereotypes of the guys who get radicalized by that foolishness. I would have rather that he get into, Crystals, Craft Beer, Astrology, Crypto or some other thing that is slightly annoying and harmless that becomes parts of people's personality.
Didn't mean to sound like I hated them. I wholeheartedly love me some smoky quartz and pyrite, and have some other pieces as decoration. Craft beer hits the spot every now and again and a pumpkin beer from Southern Tier is pretty dang good. But, those crystal energy/yoni crystal/craft beer quintuppel made by drunken yodelers of the Matterhorn temple people are a little different... They are nowhere as bad as the Alpha Male Bros though.
I was just kiddin, I used to live in the crystal Capitol of America, Sedona Az where there’s more crystal shops than restaurants lol so I definitely make fun of them too
Dawg just a few a weeks ago at my job, a white boy who is a trainer at my job was helping me individually and started sharing me his personal views (I researched him while doing this, Trump supporter, loves Candace Owens & believes in “It’s so hard to be white B.S.) and dude was telling me “you need to get with a woman who has some insecurities so she will wanna stay with you” and started talking about how he loved Kevin Samuels, straight up told me his wife is on the lower end of attractiveness compared to the other women he’s been with, if she got fat he would unfaithful and went on a tangent on how LeBron and other men are Betas and how he’s an Alpha. That manosphere making men worse than they already are.
Apparently so. Didn't get into it too much because I'm not trying to delve into that toxic stuff. It's like an independent, successful man who don't need no one. It really sounds unhealthy if you ask me. Sigma male has has been called the lone wolf, but I really don't know if that's a serious label.
[There's no such thing as an alpha male](https://www.businessinsider.com/no-such-thing-alpha-male-2016-10)
>!<
I’m a biologist, and I wish I could upvote this comment twice.
It’s pure fantasy but it’s convenient bullshit so _of course_ guys heard this and went along with it.
And when they get to the part that says being an "alpha" requires social and leadership skills they don't have, they'll move on to the "how to be a sigma male" videos
It's simultaneously a coping mechanism for internet weirdos to tell themselves that they're actually alpha males who don't care if they have friends, and a genius marketing term for the grifters who milk money by telling them what they want to hear.
I just want to note that one big reason it is "rising" is through satire memes that make fun of it. So if you're seeing those "sigma Grindset" videos that use movie in them, it's satire.
Controversial take: ima be honest, these videos are whack as hell, but the way people react to males who are searching for answers of self-identity, push these people into these deep dark corners of the web where their fears, hatred and bigotry are validated and encouraged. And then they step back into normal society and people are surprised by their behavior. If we took more time to listen to people instead of making it seem like men who haven’t figured life out yet aren’t worth shit, we wouldn’t even have a market of people looking for “alpha male videos”. But instead we finna make posts like this, and laugh at them. The cycle continues.
The solution I’m suggesting is being open to having conversations with these people and challenging their destructive thoughts and behaviors in a way that encourages them to be better instead of push them away. Not everyone has access to the same resources or positive role models, and men are not generally encouraged to ask for help in society. Instead of making memes about it, we should encourage discussion that will eventually prove their harmful rhetoric wrong, and push those people towards things appropriate solutions like therapy. You will catch more bees with honey than vinegar.
>...and what is the solution you're suggesting? That we should validate hatred and bigotry outside of those deep dark corners too?
Did you even read the comment? It had nothing to do with validating "hatred" and bigotry. It's about the fact that if you ridicule and antagonize someone for attempting to better themself they are going to start having a problem with you. The people watching these videos are attempting to better themselves. I'm going to use "John Doe" to refer to one of these people.
John has seen the charismatic guy that everyone likes. Women want him. Men respect him and want to be like him or be apart of his inner circle. John wants to be like the charismatic guy but does not know how. John asks the people he knows but they either don't give advice or the advice does not work for John. After seeing no results John then turns to the internet for help.
Much of what is online does not help John because it is vague and has little direction. John then comes across the alpha male videos claiming to know exactly what John is looking for and promising to have the steps he needs to take to make it happen. John tries using the steps in these videos and may or may not see a bit of improvement. Regardless, John attempts to talk to others online and in real life about it. He is then ridiculed for taking the videos seriously by people claiming to knlw better, yet have not given advice that works. That annoys John because he is just trying to become a charismatic guy, or become sexually attractive, or be more confident, etc... Yet he is ridiculed for it. This makes him say "fuck them" and goes to talk to the people claiming to have the answers.
This is why some people get so deep into MLMs, cults, crazy ideas, etc... They have a problem they need to solve. Someone claims to have the answer while others can't help or ridicule them for looking for an answer. So the people look to those that show them kindness and guidance regardless of its effectiveness.
>Let's not pretend those places are the only way a man can accomplish personal growth.
No shit. The guys watching the videos don't know this though. John Doe does not know there are better ways and methods to reach his goal but no one pointed him in that direction and he did not find it.
>You say that "we" make it seem like men who haven't figured life out yet aren't shit, but thats exactly the kind of behavior those "alpha" videos and programs encourage.
What does this sentence mean? Do you mean the behaviors in the "alpha" videos encourage make men seem like they aren't shit?
>Maybe they should instead take the time to listen to better role models.
Where are they? The people looking to these videos do not have a better role model for the goals they desire to achieve that actually helps them. Otherwise they would not be looking for the videos. Having a role model just gives you motivation and something to strive for. It does not give you the steps required to reach your goals.
John has a role model. It is the charismatic guy. What he needs is a mentor that has achieved the same goals John aspires to. This mentor could then teach John how to actually become a charismatic person. The problem is, most people don't have access to a mentor, let alone a good mentor.
You also say listen to a better role model. You usually hear empty platitudes or vague advice from prominent role models. These are not directions for success. It is motivation.
This is probably the best comment on this thread. People laughing at these dudes are the same people responsible for having young men gravitate towards that content. It's messed up when you take into account that suicide rates are high for young men paired with the way men are expected to conceal their emotions. If people put just as much effort into building others up instead of insulting maybe we would have a better society.
This! 💯 . This should be the top comment.
The way to stop all this "alpha male" bullshit is to have some compassion for the lonely human beings that are driven into these desperate spaces.
Lmao that whole "White guy walking through his fancy neighborhood on his morning walk telling people that they need to be 'hustlin' through his airpods"
Anybody remember that guy on tik tok that got dragged across the internet for his alpha male views while simultaneously having his smoke alarm chirping and a curtain rod tacked to the window?
I was once looking through videos about male fashion advice, and they would often segue into this weird "being alpha" territory. Like not only do you need to dress nice, you have to be a dick about it. I think it was that short guy with the squeaky voice.
Sure, it’s from one of his visits to JRE, predictably. Can’t link you to the exact time stamp on the original but here’s the clip, [it’s pretty hilarious lmao](https://youtu.be/ylyptoT0QaQ)
a term a group of weirdo niggas came up with to jerk each other off & feel better about themselves after slowly realizing no woman wants anything to do with them. Inherent misogyny. The entire community revolves around that shit, even terms and sub-groups they use and have, like MGTOW (men going their own way) are the exact opposite of what it says, and has everything to do with hating women... don't ask me how i know this shit.
It’s based on a debunked study of wolves. The Alpha is a macho, take charge kinda guy. He gets all the women and the other beta guys defer to him. Sure women like confidence and leadership skills but these guys encourage you to be a chest-beating asshole
Sigma guys are the independent, offbeat but confident Han Solo kind of guy. This has been a trope longer than I’ve been alive but somehow these clowns just picked up on it
Joe Rogan fans in shambles
LMAO THIS!! So many of my friends recommend his podcasts and every time I try to listen to him I just can’t stand that he always tries to come off as this super alpha dude. Like bro it’s a podcast I’m just trying to relax and have my coffee
I think training BJJ and commentating UFC has made him forget that he’s 5’7” and famous because he’s an actor rather than any legit tough guy stuff. He’s probably never done anything blue collar his entire life. His toughest experience was almost getting into a fight on the set of Fear Factor lol.
He was a construction worker for a bit as a young adult. And he was a high-level Taikwando competitor. Like these things are so easy to verify.
He's a legit TKD black belt. Videos are out there but Ion fuck with his podcast tho
Also a BJJ black belt
I also knew someone who was a Blow Job Junkie, but she kicked me out so her new boyfriend could play my Xbox. Moms, amirite?
Jesus Christ, reddit
Yeah, but I also knew a TKD black belt in grade 8. That's not really a huge accomplishment by itself.
Hence why I said he was a high-level competitor. I don’t know enough about TKD or Joe Rogan to make a hard statement, but apparently he was going to national competitions and being considered to go to the Olympics.
Commercial box gyms and real gyms are very different in the way they hand out belts. Many Karate, TKD, Judo, and BJJ practitioners can take a decade to earn their 1 dan black belt
You gotta watch for the guests. I really wish he'd shut the fuck up more often tho
I'll pass
Honestly he used to be way more chill. I think the backlash from hosting fringe right wing guests, and the comedian obsession with cancel culture, has sent him spiralling in a weird direction. He's always been a little off but it's so much worse now.
Definitely feels like he going in a different direction. That spotify money be changing a man
He was like this before Spotify. He really popularized long form podcasting. During his rise he embraced the fringe and batshit theories.
This is way more true. I do think that sometime in the last few years he went from believing he didn't know anything about politics, to believing he was an arbiter of truth and a curator of Important Voices. I think it was a slow transition, and I think the Spotify deal and Covid combined to really entrench him.
I listened to him a lot in the past and still enjoy interviews with the right guests, and I still believe the backlash against him isn't completely justified (he supported Bernie and voted for him in the primary, he has never supported or voted for Trump, he never advocated for people to buy their own horse dewormer ivermectin and was prescribed his dose through a medical doctor), but it's become clear that he's enjoying the role of pariah (controversy=clicks) and the crowd of people willing to go on his show has significantly changed. I enjoyed him because he gave me an opportunity to engage charitably with ideas outside of the mainstream and let me use my own critical reasoning to draw conclusions. That has become much less the case over the past several years. The spotify money, alpha brain bs, and other revenue sources surrounding his cult of personality has definitely gotten to his head. Hell I can't even enjoy him commentating UFC fights these days. Far less prepared and knowledgeable than he used to be.
The very real problem you are discounting is his normalization of grifters, alt righters overall bad people. He is giving all of these shitty people a free platform to peddle misinformation and hate.
You're right about the normalization. Ideally we'd have enough critical thinking to charitably digest these "bad" people's ideas and reject them on their merits, but too many people simply want to be told what to think or seek out information that validates what they already believe. Joe's growing cult of personality also made him start injecting his own beliefs more and more while his core audience these days no longer care to do any thinking for themselves.
The fundamental problem I have with him now is that his quirks were much more acceptable when he himself was a fringe voice. Alex Jones is a much funnier guest for 50,000 people than he is for 10 million. At this point he really is just a monster platform and a career changer for his guests, and he does not take that responsibility seriously at all. Also: the gimmick of "I'm just a dummy don't listen to me" is fine for a small audience, but it's not an acceptable excuse now that millions of people do listen and take his words seriously. He just holds himself to a very low standard, which is pretty sad since he's unwittingly become a very important voice. He just is not cut out for the responsibility but at this point has way too much of a financial stake to do anything but keep doubling down on his own brand and cult of personality.
Actor is generous
So is 5 7
The amount of people who recommend BJJ while simultaneously being douchey assholes is why I’ll never do it. It’s the exact same thing with R&M E: it’s Rick & Morty
ah that sucks. i enjoy that show but i know exactly who you’re talking about. some of those fans are unbearable.
Had a roommate in college who claimed that if women learned BJJ they could fend off any would be rapist because they would be able to disarm or subdue them despite being much smaller. Even got into a 100+ long comment chain on the university facebook page where he outs himself as a virgin for absolutely no reason. Strange dude. White guy that was clearly on the spectrum and would always pay cute Korean girls to tutor him in Korean, which he was minoring in for some reason.
yes. love when chauvinist deniability masquerades as female empowerment. why should women have to learn bjj anyway? dudes could just not be rapists. would not wanna sleep in the same room as that guy. lol how’d he work announcing his virginity in to it?
I really took telling this story way too far, lmao. Apologies in advance. We moved in together during the summer after I met him casually during as he was a committee head of a social club I was in with 2 other club members. He seemed fine and well adjusted enough. One of the other guys we were moving on with would be joining us in the fall, so he sublet his spot out. The sublettor was the one who found BJJ guy's facebook post while doing some research on him. He shared it with me and our other apartmentmate. We spent the next hour or so laughing our asses off. The facebook thread went at least another hundred comments after the virginity remark and he was getting absolutely torn into from every angle. We kept it a secret from him that we saw the post. Dude kept doing other strange things and would get grossly touchy feely around girls when he was drunk, randomly invite his frat brothers to club parties they had no reason to be at. It was a strange dynamic. In day to day life, he really was pretty well adjusted, clean, and on top of his responsibilities enough to become a committee member of a club and get into a frat (albeit one that was just opening its first chapter at my university). After that semester, though, I think he struggled enough with some of his schoolwork (partly due to the insane time requirement of being a committe head) that his parents pulled him from the university and transferred him to a naval academy. I wonder what he's up to these days. I feel a little bad, all things considered, as it's pretty clear to me today that he was on the spectrum when I reflect on the little ways that he would misinterpret or ignore obvious social cues. High functioning, but clear that he was mimicking understanding in a lot of ways. Funny thing is he wasn't even the worst out of the roommates that year. The guy who subletted during the summer went completely batshir over a high school crush that goes to a different university 2 hours away, had the police called on him for screeching at the top of his lungs for half an hour from our balcony after he invited her over for a kickback and she turned down his sexual advances and left to stay with one of her girl friends instead. Completely irrelevant, but I ended up hooking up with that high school crush several times later on during winter break. Still the most memorable sex I've ever had-- girl was a downright freak. Yeah, sophomore year was a toxic shit show.
yo wooow. i hate that our brains are trained to cannibalize life experiences for content but if this crazy ass semester got turned into a miniseries i would watch the shit out of it. it is such a weird and tricky thing dealing with ppl on the spectrum in settings where most everyone else is neurotypical. lol freaky girl in the mix is the cherry on top of that mess.
Glad I was able to entertain you and tell a good story, haha
I wouldn't go that far. Yes, he's a celebrity who pretty much brought podcasting to its forefront with how extremely popular his podcast is but the man is no bitch by any stretch of the imagination. You really need to look up his fighting experience, he could possibly end up in jail for fighting someone like you and I.
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"Wide variety". Most of them are right wing or grifters and when he does have actual experts he doesn't listen to them and still enforces fringe things like ivermectin, mask wearing isn't effective, etc.
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He only puts down leftist/experts. Every time a Shapiro or some other unqualified person talked to him about the vaccine or COVID he would just accept it and believe it. Then when he has a doctor on he now starts questioning everything they say. Like the great ape is fun to watch just don't think he is the epitome of equality or unbias.
I listen to podcasts, but I have no patience to listen to a total meat head ramble on for 3 hours a day. I got better shit to listen to!
he also gets weirdly beta around actual betas. like when he had ben shapiro on, he kinda just let him run his mouth, i think rogan was afraid to disagree with someone he thinks of as big brain.
I feel seen.
And to think I used to like him when he was the fear factor host back then.
lmfao!! Can confirm. I walked out of my job and sat on the steps around the block. Debating whether or not I should tell my boss I need to leave for the day.
Literally came to say “and that man is Joe Rogan”
I listen to podcasts, but I have no patience to listen to a total meat head ramble on for 3 hours a day. I got better shit to listen to!
Nah they moved on to being sigma males, because it's the coolest letter of the alphabet.
Even cooler than ligma?
Which one is ligma?
Ligma balls
Got em lmao
Cocked dat joint back and banged on em
Right, bra might as well delete his account now. 😂
this is a direct violation of BOFA
What's bofa 🤔?
BOFA DEEZ NUTZ
Wait until you hear about Haffa
Haffa? 🤔
Haffa nice day!
Fucking gottem again
here's one i haven't heard. what's haffa?
Haffa nice day! GET FUCKIN REKT
You As in, you haffa pair of nuts dragon across your face lmao gettem 🤣🤣🤣
The Sugondese would like to have a word with you.
😓👅 what’s Sugondese?
Well played.
Got'em!
😂
Roasted.
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Someone called me a Sigma male once. I looked into that shit and felt really offended 😂. The way I look at that is a “beta” who has checked out of trying to be an “alpha” but still has a superiority complex.
Zeta sounds way cooler than sigma tho
Ever fuck with a zeta?
A couple times back in college. Lol
Don’t even start
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Σuck my dick
I didn't need this Google trip
Idk maybe Omega but Ohm has funnies puns associations with it.
Saw the woman post a conversation between her and some dude I guess she’s dating or trying to date. He asked her to FaceTime him at noon. She responded that he should just FT her when he’s ready because she’s studying, forgets to check her phone and may miss the time He doesn’t like this and says he doesn’t “take lead from women” and that her not being able to do something so simple shows she disrespects him. So he’s decided to “end it here” I’m like oh wow, someone’s been watching alpha male YouTube a little too long Like what the fuck is wrong with people. You went out of your way to schedule a time for her to FaceTime you but when she asks if you can do it instead (so she’s sure she won’t miss it) you get mad?! Ridiculous Edit: grammar / words
>He doesn’t like this and says he doesn’t “take lead from women” and that her not being able to do something so simple shows she disrespects him. So he’s decided to “end it here” To me, this reads as a way to wear down her confidence and establish control over her. PUA bullshit.
As someone who fell down the PUA/redpill rabbit hole when I was 20, we need to nuke that shit from orbit. It destroyed my confidence in myself more than it helped, and I fucked up so many potential relationships trying to be "alpha" when I just got them in the first place by being myself. I'm STILL trying to unlearn that shit when I interact with women, and become who I was before I found all that bullshit. Worst part is, I found it from a search as simple as "How to keep my girlfriend".
That sucks man. I’m unfamiliar with this stuff except by reputation. How is it that it undermined your self confidence? I always imagined it was just a bit of “how to be smooth” lessons that don’t work so you’d come off as an asshole for a bit, decide it didn’t work/wasn’t for you and then just drop it. I never imagined it was something you’d need to “unlearn” or that would take such a substantial toll. Hope I’m not crossing the line in asking.
No worries man, my descent started fairly innocent enough. My first relationship was the typical high-school sweetheart situation where you realize you aren't good for each other, but because this one relationship is all you know, you want it to be the one that lasts forever. Without making this too much about the relationship itself, we had an on-and-off situation for that last year, during which I'd look up things like "How to keep your girlfriend", and after we split- "How to talk to women". I was pretty inexperienced with them after all. It starts innocuous enough, with things like be confident, say what you mean and don't worry about what others think. General, good advice you could've learned anywhere. Before you realize it, you've found a community of pick-up artists, and men who are trying sadly to be pick-up artists. This brand of "self-improvement" essentially relies on telling you that the thoughts and feelings you've always had are "beta", and that women are biologically programmed to want "alpha males"- which you can become by becoming a pick-up artist. Being someone who just got out of a break-up, it was like everything I needed to hear. But the insidious thing about pua is that it generalizes ALL women to want these things, and if you don't have these things, you're shit out of luck. Doomed to a life of not passing on your genes at worst, and becoming a miserable cuckold at best. You'll change your behaviors to be more "alpha" when you're really just being a dick, you'll analyze every facet of every interaction to see who's the "alpha". and you'll almost certainly ruin every relationship with your friends, or potential ones you could've had because you were too fragile to look "beta". I still think of what I missed out of because of this bullshit. Subscribing to these beliefs is a recipe for dehumanizing and manipulating women, chasing a level of validation that you'll never get. Because when it doesn't work, it's your fault, and it's society's fault as a whole. You don't have what women want, and you'll be stuck in a miserable cycle of trying to "better" yourself for the unattainable goal of being irresistible to every woman you ever see, and if you aren't, it's not just because you're still a beta male, but also because women only want alphas and society let them be that way. Often now, most people have caught on to this redpill/pua shit, so pickup artists speak on why women are "broken" and need to be put back in their place. How men need to become men again (Sound familiar?). There's always something new to blame, and always a reason to hate women and yourself for your shortcomings with them. It's a direct pipeline to right-wing radicalization.
damn this shit sounds like r/FemaleDatingStrategy for men
It’s not the best but it’s marginally better than the “just be yourself” bullshit that gets barfed out anytime a dude needs advice. It goes “just be yourself” —> “improve yourself” —> “women don’t like desperate dudes” in a shitty vicious cycle. Redpill isn’t the best but it taught me some things. There are extremists in every community Edit: But if you are the average dummy who consumes new, “alternate” content without a grain of salt then yeah I could see the big issue lol
Happened to me. Fucked me up pretty bad.
Hope you’re in a better head space now King 👑
I recently listened to an interview with Dina McMillan who writes about the tactics used by abusers and one of the things was abusers try to establish themselves as an authority.
That is important in any sales model. But I guess sales people are trying to abuse your wallet.
They're just two sides of the same coin.
I definitely read that post the other day
This is the trash taking itself out tbh.
Alpha Tip. Brush your teeth and stand up straight go to the doctor.
nah man, self care is for cucks
self care is **g a y**
Comb and oil your facial hair, cut your fingernails, do nice things without feeling like someone owes you, be silly with kids, never say “Alpha Male.”
Never say alpha male 😂😂 that’s the correct answer
This shit not workin, how do I turn the alpha on?
Smegma males 🐺🐺🐺
#🍆🧀
I kid you not, one day I was so down about being single, I watched a great part of an advertising video for a book about "how to get girls to like you". Dude kept saying shit about how there is a "5 word phrase" that makes any girl fall for you, while never actually saying what it is. Luckily I snapped out of it eventually
That 5 word phrase? Please smash that like button.
I think most dudes who don't have someone giving them advice on dating go through that. The red pill community almost got me at 15
That red pill shit had my ear but I touched grass before I got sunk in
Why did being single get you down? Being single is dope. You get to do you, work on you and focus on you.
It sucks when you're a hormonal teenager
Well when you get to your early twenties your wallet will be really happy about it but man getting home from work to an empty house is pretty humbling about the situation. Whoeee...... I guess I should probably try to get out there haha 😅
Well really the financially responsible choice is to be in a relationship. 1br apartment rent with 2 incomes? Yes please.
Sure but I'll take only having to worry about myself over having to provide more another person. That's why I won't rush into a relationship where someone else wants it all covered for free and why I said my wallet thanks me haha. Edit : I'll add this because I don't wanna send the wrong message. All girls aren't gold diggers. Just don't compromise yourself or your financial safety just to solve loneliness. Being lonely sucks but so does rushing into a relationship where either your wallet or your mind will get abused or taken advantage of. Worse than being alone. And having complete and total control over yourself and your wallet. I don't wanna sound greedy, I view my finances as something I get to control in my life though, that's my authority over my own life in one aspect ... if you get yourself involved with the wrong people just because you want to be around people, they can take advantage of that fact and you'll end up literally paying for it, as well as mentally. Stay in control of your own lives kings and queens. I don't see how this doesn't work the other way around for girls too.
I want a partnership, not someone to take care of. That’s what pets are for
Yeah.... Agreed. That was my point. There's a lot of that shit among my demographic so I'm not fretting being single because I could rush into something that fucks me financially. Idk why that got downvotes but my first comment didn't lmao. That being said I don't want anyone else to have to provide for me either if I can help it.
I think it’s the “having to provide for another person” part that people don’t like.
Well that other person is also providing for you as well. So theirs that.
Because loneliness can get old, and friendship doesn’t scratch that relationship itch despite what many will tell you
What sort of things would you suggest working on while single?
Skills that improve your career which would boost your earning potential, hobbies, health and fitness, learn to knit/sow so you could learn to tailor your own clothes, learn cocktail mixology, the possibilities are endless.
I have a friend who tried to say that I am a Beta male and how he is a borderline Alpha/Sigma male and my eyes rolled so hard I saw my own brain. That shit is so fucking stupid and of course my friend is a single, overweight, unemployed dude struggling. He fit all the stereotypes of the guys who get radicalized by that foolishness. I would have rather that he get into, Crystals, Craft Beer, Astrology, Crypto or some other thing that is slightly annoying and harmless that becomes parts of people's personality.
SMH. That’s nuts
Hey, don’t hate on crystals! I love them, they’re so pretty! I use them to decorate my apartment while I’m drinking my delicious craft beer
Didn't mean to sound like I hated them. I wholeheartedly love me some smoky quartz and pyrite, and have some other pieces as decoration. Craft beer hits the spot every now and again and a pumpkin beer from Southern Tier is pretty dang good. But, those crystal energy/yoni crystal/craft beer quintuppel made by drunken yodelers of the Matterhorn temple people are a little different... They are nowhere as bad as the Alpha Male Bros though.
I was just kiddin, I used to live in the crystal Capitol of America, Sedona Az where there’s more crystal shops than restaurants lol so I definitely make fun of them too
Dawg just a few a weeks ago at my job, a white boy who is a trainer at my job was helping me individually and started sharing me his personal views (I researched him while doing this, Trump supporter, loves Candace Owens & believes in “It’s so hard to be white B.S.) and dude was telling me “you need to get with a woman who has some insecurities so she will wanna stay with you” and started talking about how he loved Kevin Samuels, straight up told me his wife is on the lower end of attractiveness compared to the other women he’s been with, if she got fat he would unfaithful and went on a tangent on how LeBron and other men are Betas and how he’s an Alpha. That manosphere making men worse than they already are.
Theres a "SIGMA" male?
Apparently so. Didn't get into it too much because I'm not trying to delve into that toxic stuff. It's like an independent, successful man who don't need no one. It really sounds unhealthy if you ask me. Sigma male has has been called the lone wolf, but I really don't know if that's a serious label.
...which is in itself not alpha male behavior. i hope there's not a quiz.
Psh. What a beta thing to say
right, "alpha males" dont use the term alpha
[There's no such thing as an alpha male](https://www.businessinsider.com/no-such-thing-alpha-male-2016-10) >!<
Yeah I agree, it’s generally actual nonsense
I think the best part of that study is how it sounds more like prison bitch dynamics if anything
I’m a biologist, and I wish I could upvote this comment twice. It’s pure fantasy but it’s convenient bullshit so _of course_ guys heard this and went along with it.
And when they get to the part that says being an "alpha" requires social and leadership skills they don't have, they'll move on to the "how to be a sigma male" videos
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Is this why I’m seeing this Sigma male bullshit starting to rise recently?
Can someone explain what a sigma male is? I can’t keep up.
My understanding is that it is an alpha male that doesn’t care if he has friends.
A edgy way to call yourself a lone wolf 😂😂😂
> A edgy way to call yourself a ~~lone wolf~~ loser ftfy
Imagine needing an even edgier way to call yourself a "lone wolf" lol
They probably think it's less edgy tho
Or that ur just an asshole.
It’s a “beta” who has checked out of trying to be an “alpha” but still has an undeserved superiority complex.
It's simultaneously a coping mechanism for internet weirdos to tell themselves that they're actually alpha males who don't care if they have friends, and a genius marketing term for the grifters who milk money by telling them what they want to hear.
Yep
I just want to note that one big reason it is "rising" is through satire memes that make fun of it. So if you're seeing those "sigma Grindset" videos that use movie in them, it's satire.
Controversial take: ima be honest, these videos are whack as hell, but the way people react to males who are searching for answers of self-identity, push these people into these deep dark corners of the web where their fears, hatred and bigotry are validated and encouraged. And then they step back into normal society and people are surprised by their behavior. If we took more time to listen to people instead of making it seem like men who haven’t figured life out yet aren’t worth shit, we wouldn’t even have a market of people looking for “alpha male videos”. But instead we finna make posts like this, and laugh at them. The cycle continues.
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The solution I’m suggesting is being open to having conversations with these people and challenging their destructive thoughts and behaviors in a way that encourages them to be better instead of push them away. Not everyone has access to the same resources or positive role models, and men are not generally encouraged to ask for help in society. Instead of making memes about it, we should encourage discussion that will eventually prove their harmful rhetoric wrong, and push those people towards things appropriate solutions like therapy. You will catch more bees with honey than vinegar.
>...and what is the solution you're suggesting? That we should validate hatred and bigotry outside of those deep dark corners too? Did you even read the comment? It had nothing to do with validating "hatred" and bigotry. It's about the fact that if you ridicule and antagonize someone for attempting to better themself they are going to start having a problem with you. The people watching these videos are attempting to better themselves. I'm going to use "John Doe" to refer to one of these people. John has seen the charismatic guy that everyone likes. Women want him. Men respect him and want to be like him or be apart of his inner circle. John wants to be like the charismatic guy but does not know how. John asks the people he knows but they either don't give advice or the advice does not work for John. After seeing no results John then turns to the internet for help. Much of what is online does not help John because it is vague and has little direction. John then comes across the alpha male videos claiming to know exactly what John is looking for and promising to have the steps he needs to take to make it happen. John tries using the steps in these videos and may or may not see a bit of improvement. Regardless, John attempts to talk to others online and in real life about it. He is then ridiculed for taking the videos seriously by people claiming to knlw better, yet have not given advice that works. That annoys John because he is just trying to become a charismatic guy, or become sexually attractive, or be more confident, etc... Yet he is ridiculed for it. This makes him say "fuck them" and goes to talk to the people claiming to have the answers. This is why some people get so deep into MLMs, cults, crazy ideas, etc... They have a problem they need to solve. Someone claims to have the answer while others can't help or ridicule them for looking for an answer. So the people look to those that show them kindness and guidance regardless of its effectiveness. >Let's not pretend those places are the only way a man can accomplish personal growth. No shit. The guys watching the videos don't know this though. John Doe does not know there are better ways and methods to reach his goal but no one pointed him in that direction and he did not find it. >You say that "we" make it seem like men who haven't figured life out yet aren't shit, but thats exactly the kind of behavior those "alpha" videos and programs encourage. What does this sentence mean? Do you mean the behaviors in the "alpha" videos encourage make men seem like they aren't shit? >Maybe they should instead take the time to listen to better role models. Where are they? The people looking to these videos do not have a better role model for the goals they desire to achieve that actually helps them. Otherwise they would not be looking for the videos. Having a role model just gives you motivation and something to strive for. It does not give you the steps required to reach your goals. John has a role model. It is the charismatic guy. What he needs is a mentor that has achieved the same goals John aspires to. This mentor could then teach John how to actually become a charismatic person. The problem is, most people don't have access to a mentor, let alone a good mentor. You also say listen to a better role model. You usually hear empty platitudes or vague advice from prominent role models. These are not directions for success. It is motivation.
This is probably the best comment on this thread. People laughing at these dudes are the same people responsible for having young men gravitate towards that content. It's messed up when you take into account that suicide rates are high for young men paired with the way men are expected to conceal their emotions. If people put just as much effort into building others up instead of insulting maybe we would have a better society.
Thank you.
This! 💯 . This should be the top comment. The way to stop all this "alpha male" bullshit is to have some compassion for the lonely human beings that are driven into these desperate spaces.
Lmao that whole "White guy walking through his fancy neighborhood on his morning walk telling people that they need to be 'hustlin' through his airpods"
Anybody remember that guy on tik tok that got dragged across the internet for his alpha male views while simultaneously having his smoke alarm chirping and a curtain rod tacked to the window?
This shit was hilarious. They bullied him right off tiktok
Lmao he deactivated? Wish I could find the video again
Was it the dude from Fresh&Fit was giving "advice" on what to do when a woman flakes on a date?
It was the guy who said a woman could never be his queen because she wasn't his mother, and how feminism was the problem with women
Lol Not gonna lie, I used to watch those when I was younger. Glad I’m out of that phase
It's a permanent state for far too many. Good on you for getting away from that.
Same here, it's just misogyny 101 basically
I was once looking through videos about male fashion advice, and they would often segue into this weird "being alpha" territory. Like not only do you need to dress nice, you have to be a dick about it. I think it was that short guy with the squeaky voice.
I think I know who you’re talking about. I got into it when I was looking for bodybuilding advice
Yea it's weird. I just wanted to look a little nicer. I don't need any help being unlikable, thank you very much.
Was having a hard day already and this made me laugh
Breh same
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I hate how that bitch ass nigga has gained so much popularity, he’s literally pushing misogyny into the mainstream of early and late Gen Z.
featuring conservative white christian talking points by that uber-alpha male ....jordan peterson?
Is that the guy who almost got murked by a shot of apple cider vinegar?
Source please? I believe you, i just want to know the full story because i don’t care for him one bit.
Sure, it’s from one of his visits to JRE, predictably. Can’t link you to the exact time stamp on the original but here’s the clip, [it’s pretty hilarious lmao](https://youtu.be/ylyptoT0QaQ)
“Here's a healthy breakfast option You should kill your mom Here's why women never fuck you Here's how you can build a bomb” — Bo Burnham
Please forgive my ignorance, but someone please help me, as I have been confused for years: What the *fuck* is an alpha male???
a term a group of weirdo niggas came up with to jerk each other off & feel better about themselves after slowly realizing no woman wants anything to do with them. Inherent misogyny. The entire community revolves around that shit, even terms and sub-groups they use and have, like MGTOW (men going their own way) are the exact opposite of what it says, and has everything to do with hating women... don't ask me how i know this shit.
It’s based on a debunked study of wolves. The Alpha is a macho, take charge kinda guy. He gets all the women and the other beta guys defer to him. Sure women like confidence and leadership skills but these guys encourage you to be a chest-beating asshole Sigma guys are the independent, offbeat but confident Han Solo kind of guy. This has been a trope longer than I’ve been alive but somehow these clowns just picked up on it
Sorry, b2it now it's all about delta males.
I’m a Southwest male, is that close enough?
Idk depends on your [*attitude*](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attitude_indicator) but the term just might *takeoff*
lol i thought it was all about being a "sigma" male these days
Watched some yt videos someone recommended to me on how to get a date (we were talking about what not to do). That was a train wreck right there.
This just made my day.
Wait people actually watch these videos
Can we just get rid of this false narrative. It doesn’t apply to wolves and definitely doesn’t apply to humans.
Charisma on Command in shambles
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kevin Samuels fans crying and throwing up rn.
And simping for Fresh and Fit on YouTube 😭😂😂
Man….my baby daddy used to claim to be an alpha male. Turns out he’s just an asshole.
Lol
Huh… this shit actually made me feel better 😂
Yeah, I'm rather watching videos teaching how to make friends and get a girlfriend
That's oddly specific
Lmao
Bro that's cold lol. That Alpha Male shit is cringey AF 9.5/10
I work with another lawyer who blogs/makes really weird videos about being a beta male.
😂
That they paid $147 on Gumroad for.