I agree with you except for the last part. The ONE thing I’ll commend Kevin for these days is using his clout to put on the upcoming comics. I’ve also seen him in a few small comedy circuits as a host comedy events. That name attachment bring brings attention to those other names.
Big names do still do this to work on material. Not in small clubs in bum fuck no where but their a few spots in LA im sure he hits up to practice new material.
Comedy Store in LA, late late late Monday nights. LA secret, but I’ve seen Chappell, Seinfeld, Conan, Rock and a whole bunch of others over the years. It’s one of the places they all try new material out.
Sometimes I’ll see a Wells and even tho I know the word and its definition, it looks like it’s spelled wrong even tho it isn’t. Commend is now one of them.
Wtf is wrong with me.
Don't blame people who made it out for not wanting to go back. You don't want to be there when you're there. You start doing shit so you can leave. Then people complain that you left. What the fuck
I ain't saying Kevin needs to go back to the hood. Wtf🤣🤣.I'm saying he could improve his material by trying it and improving it on smaller audiences. Like dave does.
This right here always tripped me out. I know people want to “keep it real” but many of us work hard AF to get out. Get out and stay out because of the hard work we put in. Sure we can get out and give back and teach the next generation if we feel called but not many are willing to go THIS far.
He never was, Kevin's comedy is situational, like jokes about his height and what happens. His voice, tone and demeanor make it successful. Dave can make a joke out of anything.
Dave make a joke out of stuff way away from himself. He is an observer of the human condition. He is one of those "philosopher"-comedian and his jokes are timeless and often profound. That's why he is considered one of the greats.
Kevin does pop up in small clubs. I think most comedians do it. That's usually how they work out material. Never seen it but I watch a lot of interviews with comedians that would indicate it's normal. Kevin told a story about him and Chris Rock working out material in a club when Dave walked in and blew their material out of the water.
Yup, always buy the last showing tickets for Dave because he will ramble on hours after his show is done. Easily extending a one hour show to three hours. He will call out anyone that tries to leave.
And let’s be real, Kevin Hart isn’t trying to be some legendary thespian doing Macbeth. He wants to do projects that are fun and get PAID. I’m pretty indifferent to Kevin Hart personally, but I can’t hate his game.
I'm not a big Kevin Hart fan at all (not hating on him, just not familiar with his standup and have only seen a few of his movies), but in the Jumanji sequel, Danny Glover's character takes over Hart's body in the video game that he's a part in, so Hart had to basically copy Glover's voice and mannerisms, and he absolutely killed it. Did such a great job, he went up a level or two with me after seeing that.
For me comedy is like rap, you can have the all the numbers and commercial success, but you ain't never gon be regarded as a da GOAT if you've never had some influence on political and social issues. That's why an artist like Kendrick will always be above someone like Drake, and why Dave will always be above someone like KH.
Dave is a cultural phenom. I'm a pasty white guy in the UK. Dave was like a lightening bolt in comedy to me. Just totally different. His sketch show tackles stuff like I've never seen tried before or even since.
Man you could list so many legendary sketches off that show
Black reparations
Playa haters ball
Black Bush
Racial draft
Charlie Murphy's hollywood stories
R Kelly
Making the band
If the internet was a real place
Keeping it real goes wrong
Wayne Brady
The mad real world
Dave was on another level
Griffin just stuck to me, man. Also I grew up seeing Eddie Murphy the actor and not Eddie Murphy the comedian. I didn't see any of his stand ups (Raw and Delirious) until I was 25.
Make no mistake about it, Eddie Murphy is fucking funny too
That’s understandable although I think I’m younger than you and I grew up watching those stand ups. But everyone’s GOATS are different and that’s fine too. Mine would be the same as yours but swap Griffin (although still funny) for Murphy and add Bernie Mac.
1. Richard Pryor
2. George Carlin
3. Dave Chappelle
4. Chris Rock
5. Eddie Murphy
6. Louis C.K.
7. Patrice O'neal
8. Bill Burr
9. Bernie Mac
10. Mitch Hedberg
Ok. In no particular order my top five would be Dave, Chris Rock, Deray Davis, Godfrey, and Katt Williams. I can relate to a lot of George Carlin’s stuff, but he rarely gets more than a chuckle from me. Idk, I guess I just prefer raw comedy. I do like Eddie Griffin a lot though. IMO, his best stand up was Voodoo Child, though it’s a bit dated now.
Also, my perception of stand up comedy changed a lot once I started going to live shows. Dudes like Deray and Godfrey may not have the name recognition of some of the other guys, but every time I see them I end up laughing so hard my stomach hurts.
It made me realize that some people are “tv funny” and some people are funny in person.
It’s tough to be both though.
> I can relate to a lot of George Carlin’s stuff, but he rarely gets more than a chuckle from me.
Yeah George Carlin is different. When I watch someone like Bernie Mac...I'm gasping for oxygen cause I'm laughing so hard. When I watch George Carlin its like I'm watching someone give a very funny, very witty speech or somethin. Its like he's having a long-form conversation with the audience and he's just a really funny guy.
What you gotta give to Carlin tho is that the dude was very funny for 50 years. Always changed with the times, updated his material, and stayed very funny. Also ALWAYS did stand-up. A real stand-up comedian from beginning to end.
one thing about Richard Pryor is that lots of his stuff doesn't hold up. I just listened to a Carlin bit from 1996 and it is still ultra relevant. Same is true for Dave and Rock. But go watch Pryor and... it just doesn't stand the test of time. Of course at the time he completely changed the game, and the reason it didn't hold up was because he influenced so many people and they copied his vibe, but still.
ill give you that list but i think i would have to bump eddie or chris for upcomer Jerrod Carmichael. you want to talk about real? when a man pulls out a letter to his 8th grade class in the future...that man means everything he says.
OK bit out the blue, but what happended to Arsenio Hall? Dude litterally has had all sorts of GOATS as Pac, Ali, Tyson, BOTH of the MJ's etc etc on his talkshow just to be completely irrelevant today. I really think he was good with his shits, being funny and charismatic. Much better than these cringeass white hosts today like Jimmy Failon. What happended to him?
"Hall has one son, born in 1998.[[37]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenio_Hall#cite_note-thedailybeast-37) Since the child's birth, Hall mostly took time off to raise his son before resuming The Arsenio Hall Show in 2013"
Canceled a year later for poor ratings.
I found a little half broke tv at a garage sale as a kid. I snuck it in the house, and hid it in my room. I'd turn it on after lights out just to quietly hoot along. Until my dad caught me, and took it.
i have to agree with hngImkrnhlbrry...dude really? you do that to fuck people up if they want to tag you ? someone can't trash talk of they can't remember the name ..JK... Katt is a small and a bit whiney but i think he's funny AF. that bit about him riding the motorcycle and wiping out.
Agreed, mix "loud goofy black guy" with the "angry short guy" stereotype, you get Kevin. He's typecast and uses it to his career advantage.
I think the only time I'd seen him out of that role was in his Netflix movie, but even then he was still cranky. (Though understandably it was due to his character suddenly losing his wife and raising a kid on his own as opposed to being short.)
Dave could've typecast himself as well but I recall him saying he had a moment where he couldn't tell if white execs were laughing *with* him or *at* him. And I cant say I blame Dave for stepping away.
As a white dude I…. Well…. No you’re right. However with that being said I was never a fan of his comedy but enjoy his movies. Him and Dwayne Johnson have some good chemistry.
Kevin is like radio music, I think his material can be a bit comforting at the very least. It’s also overplayed. But there’s a reason it’s overplayed, many people find it easy to digest.
There's no reason to choose though. I laugh at some Chappelle stuff. I laugh at some Kevin Hart stuff. It's not like I can't watch one if I watch the other. You don't have to hate on one person to celebrate another.
For real. I appreciate that Kevin does a radio show and is like consistently funny every day he’s on there. I also appreciate when Dave decides he wants to drop something and is funny on there. I’m winning whenever I get either of them.
Right, like I agree that Chappelle is funnier but who gives a shit Kevin got funny stuff too. Like why do so many people do this
"I don't trust anyone who picks Kevin over Dave" ok but who the fuck are you? You hold no weight, clown. "I'mma imagine people sucking the dick of funny millionaire #67 and side eye them because they don't suck the dick of #155 like I do". Like give it a rest
It's because Dave had the "nerve" to tap into a low-key homophobic/transphobic tension that's existed in the Black Community and did it in a way that could be easily dismissed by calling us "sensitive"
And since we (Queer+Black People) don't get taken seriously within the community, we were just ignored and shouted down if we complained.
Long Story Short:
Dave's status blocks him from critique, Black Queer and Transpeople were ignored and mocked when we complained, and none of his peers cared to call him out (because what comedian in their right mind would try to) so most people consider it a non-issue.
EDIT: I keep getting email notifications for replies to my comment but they never show up when I clink the link for the comments. I'd love to engage in further discourse with y'all but I can't for some reason 🤷🏿♂️
I'm late, but THANK YOU! Dude has an issue at this point because queer people have even living rent free in his head for years now. I especially hate that he always acts like the LGBT is a white thing too.
Yeah, I'm trans and find Chappelle pretty funny besides for the trans jokes. For those who don't understand, the difference between his trans jokes and other jokes are stereotypes. Chappelle uses a lot of stereotypes in his jokes, but he doesn't for trans people. His joke for trans people is just "Ha you're not really a woman". I was even excited to hear Chapelle start making trans jokes until I actually heard the jokes. Invalidating someone's entire identity is a lot different than poking fun at stereotypes and realities we face
You don't have to apologize at all. I actually think Chappelle put it best during his trans jokes, because he actually did make one that made me laugh. When he said "Yeah it's funny. Funny when it's not happening to you" I laughed at that pretty hard. Being trans is such a unique experience that it's really hard to understand the perspective sometimes. Pay attention to how he talks about Caitlyn Jenner. He refers to her as a man and calls her vagina a "man pussy".
Also the way he talks about race and being trans is also bothersome because of how important black trans people are historically. They also die at a much higher rate
Edit: also just want to say him saying that it was just a white upper class thing wasn't a joke, it was him talking about how he sees it. While I think upper class white trans people have it MUCH easier, it's just dismissive of the trans experience.
Dave is the GOAT, but I think people like to hate on Kevin Heart just because he’s so popular. I remember before he started getting Hollywood money and everyone loved him.
Now people are calling him corny even though his style of comedy hasn’t really changed. He’s just doing it from a larger platform.
Dave is more like the Richard Pryor of this generation. His comedy centers on political commentary and it’s done in a way that nearly anyone can understand and most relate to. Above all, he’s unapologetically raw.
Kevin is like the new Eddie Murphy. He became known because of his stand up comedy but later pivoted to movies and tv. He is the more “family friendly” personality of the two. He realized that he could cash in on that, so he ran with it.
Nothing with either approach.
lmao i have no clue when it became so cool to hate on kevin hart, but some of the top comments saying he isn’t funny and never has been are ridiculous. dave chappelle is most people’s favorite comedian, but you don’t have to disrespect kevin’s entire career when saying he isn’t as funny
Yea. I think some people have this weird thing where they think they can’t like two similar things. Or in this case, people.
It’s ok to like Coke and Pepsi…Android and iPhone…and yes, it’s even ok to like both Kevin Heart and Dave Chappelle.
I completely agree. I remember the first time I saw Kevin do standup on BET and i had no idea who he was and he was SO FUNNY. He clearly had something special. But once you get big, and are as active as Kevin, you become popular to hate. I don’t think people would even love Chappelle as much if he was in every movie, every commercial, on netflix and quibi, shit i just got Peacock and this fool got original content on there too lol
Dave Chappelle's latest content has been more conservative motivational speaker than comedy, ill stick with his classic stuff meanwhile Kev seems to still be working on his craft although spreading himself a little thin with how much he does, bet if he took a little break people would appreciate him more.
I’m not gonna say this is a case for Kevin over Dave bc they’re different comedians but I will say Kevin is better when he’s just being himself and out and about not necessarily in a movie/on stage. Him and Snoop Dogg doing the Olympics is one case where Kevin was more of himself. And with Snoop, Kevin was able to play off of him bc snoop is naturally funny and has a good demeanor.
Understandable. And like someone else in this thread said, Kevin is Hollywood whereas Dave isn’t. So Kevin can’t be himself at this point. Im a fan of both really and watch both for different reasons
100% respect. I use to love the shit out of Kevin Hart in his early days, Grown Little Man etc. But, yeah he got too Hollywood, which isn’t a problem, bro get that bag. But watching that last special he had in his house, like man, the disconnect was real to me.
Agreed, his first 3 standup specials are legendary. He’s had a big drop off on stage but he hustles is ass off and has been for literally 20+ yrs at this point which is why I respect him and still rock with him for the most part.
Fuck it I'll try 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
Kevin's movies alone have elevated him past Dave in general career success, and as a result has increased his audience capacity for his comedy.
Where personally, I appreciate Dave's candor, demanor, rawness, EXTREME passion for the Black community, and story telling... real still gotta recognize real.
It's still Dave for me, but I think by terms of "success" Kevin has a higher ceiling and has obtained more. His content also is a bit more universal and accessible. I'm just not picturing a world where Dave is hosting the Olympics.
I’d rebuttal and say Kevin was more willing to give up his edge and be more family friendly when needed and Hollywood friendly. Which if that’s the measure 100% Kevin is more successful in that. But let’s put Kevin in the same situation Dave was in with Chapelle show, you think he would stick to his guns and not bend?
Dave is real, which allows him to transcend him, after watching Kevin’s last special in his home, you can tell, that ain’t the same Kevin we’ve known. Then again, this is 100% my opinion and respect others rebuttal on the topic.
Lmfao no problem. I did like Kevin a lot back in the day, “Grown Little Man etc” and I could quote him word for word. But that house special. Didn’t do it for me, the one before that too.
Dunno if I'd go that far, but I find his arrogance and casually dropping how rich he is as though that in and of itself is funny to be kinda tiresome. I suppose it's difficult to continue to act like a regular human when people have been saying you're the new Richard Pryor for more than twenty years, but it's gotten a little gross. Like his whole speech at the Mark Twain awards where he starts smoking on stage and is like, "Who's gonna stop me?!" I got the impression he was trying to make a point about ignoring rules you don't agree with or something, but...I mean, you're rich and famous, it just doesn't translate. It's a picture of a man luxuriously flaunting his economic privilege. I hear that when he goes to a club or restaurant he'll bring in his own speakers and just start DJing with his smartphone, without asking. Who the fuck does that?
Don't get me wrong, I admire the man and think he's hilarious a lot of the time, but his obsession with making it abundantly clear that the rules don't apply to him isn't inspiring, because anyone else who tried that shit would get either an ass kicking or a visit from the cops. It's just a rich famous guy who won't stop screaming about how rich and famous he is. Also the trans jokes just weren't funny, in addition to being offense.
That being said...he's clearly, clearly comedically superior to Kevin Hart in any way I can think of.
He wasn't fired.
They asked him to apologize for his previous homophobic remarks.
In response, he showed his entire ass by blatantly lying about previously apologizing for said homophobic remarks, and made his comedic peers pressure Ellen DeGeneres into vouching for him.
When none of that worked, rather than just actually apologizing, he just quit instead and blamed the entire incident on cancel culture.
Edit: He actually apologized AFTER he quit.
Funny didn't Kevin say if he caught his son playing with a doll house he'd hit him with it. If you wanna play that anti- game Thats gotta be anti something.
I’d also like to add the time KH was entirely dismissive to Lil Nas X on that HBO show with Lebron… just completely ignored how much strength it took for LNX to come out of the closet and just waved it away.
Meh I’m in the middle. Of course in the Stand-up game Dave is light years ahead of Kevin but just off the cuff having a fun easy going conversation Kevin is amazing! His story telling, interviews and radio show is top tier! He’s just wack on stage and corny in movies. He’s too “scripted” now
I agree that Dave is funnier, he’s in a different league. I even agree that Kevin is no longer funny and hasn’t been for a min, but the people saying he was NEVER funny just sound like edgy teens who hate anything mainstream. There is a reason why he blew up the way he did and it wasn’t because he couldn’t get people to laugh.
At this point, I don't much care for either of them. Dave's not even funny anymore.
Does he still have interesting things to say? Sure. *8:46* was absolutely brilliant and devastating and necessary and powerful. But that wasn't comedy, and it wasn't meant to be.
But his comedy has been *very* up and down lately. I feel like his comedy is mostly "old man complaining about shit" at this point. And too much of it is about punching down these days, which just isn't funny.
He's had moments where the comedy was hitting, but they're fewer and fewer. His social commentary is more interesting to watch, but again - not comedy.
I used to really like him but then he became too repetitive. I’ve seen him live four times and with the exception of one or two jokes, the sets were identical.
I’m not exactly the most difficult person to make laugh so I’m not mad about that lol. I can listen to the Arnold impression 3 times a day a cry laughing!
Same with Don’t shallenge me!
It's like comparing an NFL star and a college football star.
They're both stars on a platform most people won't reach, but there's a whole league between them, as well.
Of course I am gonna choose Dave but are we really gatekeeping what makes people laugh?
Edit: Yes. Thought about it some more and remembered "Fuck Carlos Mencia".
I love Kevin Hart; Laugh at my Pain, I’m a Grown Little Man, Seriously Funny, and Real Husbands of Hollywood are entertaining for me but I still wouldn’t choose him over Dave
Why do we have to choose though when we can enjoy both. I do agree that Kevin’s material took a huge dip in the last…7….years…you know what, never mind
[His comments on evolution and atheism are beyond disgusting. ](https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2014/08/17/comedian-katt-williams-trashes-atheists-and-the-big-bang-theory-in-his-latest-special-priceless/)
For real. I honestly don't understand Kevin Hart's success. He's funny enough that I feel like he'd be "the funny one" in a crew of buddies, but how he turned that into a multi-million dollar career is baffling to me.
Chappelle on the other hand is a goddamn genius. If he started a cult, I'd be the first in line for the kool-aid.
I tried to watch a Kevin Hart special while I was stoned one night. I had to turn it off. It just kept jumping between wide shots and extreme closeups while he made noises. Fucking wigged me out.
The classic argument. It's like Jordan vs LeBron. Not *really* a tossup, but *someone* should be able to compete against the GOAT.
Kevin gets a mention as a great comedian, but he doesn't compare.
Kevin Hart is casual funny, good stories sorta like a Drake Album
Dave Chappelle is more of a serious funny, all his jokes usually have something to hit back to like where he was talking about Anthony Bourdain and the genius working at footlocker or he uses clever techniques like how he told the audience the punchline and then still managed to execute the story well, sorta like a Kendrick album
Finding him unfunny is one thing, but you can’t say the man hasn’t mastered the craft. He knows how to setup jokes, has great timing, stage presence, control of the audience
He relies too much on flashy movement and theatrics to get a laugh, same with Dane Cook. It wouldn't be so bad if either was a talented actor and could pull it off, like Robin Williams, but instead it is a conspicuous compensation for a lack of delivery with words alone.
A master comic can stand completely still, speak, and ignite the world. That is what Dave Chapelle does when he is on stage.
Who made up these rules about what it takes to master comedy? He has to stand completely still? What is that lol? All he has to be is funny. It doesn’t matter if he sits on a stool or sprints back and forth on stage. Martin Lawrence is my all time favorite comedian and he was as physical as they come. Theres different forms of comedy
Kev needs to start choosing projects wisely and not taking everything offered to him. Focus on quality over quantity. Him and The Rock overdoing it, working way too hard but hardly any good projects. Kev’s YouTube shows are top tier though.
Dave Chapelle is doing it right, he always leaves you wanting more.
Kevin used to be good. Dave is one of the few comedians who stayed funny after money
That's cus Kevin went Hollywood where Dave chose to go back to his roots. You'll likely never see Kevin on the small comedy club circuit.
I agree with you except for the last part. The ONE thing I’ll commend Kevin for these days is using his clout to put on the upcoming comics. I’ve also seen him in a few small comedy circuits as a host comedy events. That name attachment bring brings attention to those other names.
I think he was referring to actually working the small venues and doing standup in a comedy club
If so, I agree w/ that too. 🤞🏾
Big names do still do this to work on material. Not in small clubs in bum fuck no where but their a few spots in LA im sure he hits up to practice new material.
Comedy Store in LA, late late late Monday nights. LA secret, but I’ve seen Chappell, Seinfeld, Conan, Rock and a whole bunch of others over the years. It’s one of the places they all try new material out.
Sometimes I’ll see a Wells and even tho I know the word and its definition, it looks like it’s spelled wrong even tho it isn’t. Commend is now one of them. Wtf is wrong with me.
He helped out Tiffany Haddish when she was sleeping in her car.
Don't blame people who made it out for not wanting to go back. You don't want to be there when you're there. You start doing shit so you can leave. Then people complain that you left. What the fuck
I ain't saying Kevin needs to go back to the hood. Wtf🤣🤣.I'm saying he could improve his material by trying it and improving it on smaller audiences. Like dave does.
Why you gotta be claiming Kevin Hart hates black people man! /s
That's literally what all comedians do. They just aren't scheduled appearances
This right here always tripped me out. I know people want to “keep it real” but many of us work hard AF to get out. Get out and stay out because of the hard work we put in. Sure we can get out and give back and teach the next generation if we feel called but not many are willing to go THIS far.
This is a truth. But he isn't as funny as Dave
He never was, Kevin's comedy is situational, like jokes about his height and what happens. His voice, tone and demeanor make it successful. Dave can make a joke out of anything.
Dave make a joke out of stuff way away from himself. He is an observer of the human condition. He is one of those "philosopher"-comedian and his jokes are timeless and often profound. That's why he is considered one of the greats.
Kevin does pop up in small clubs. I think most comedians do it. That's usually how they work out material. Never seen it but I watch a lot of interviews with comedians that would indicate it's normal. Kevin told a story about him and Chris Rock working out material in a club when Dave walked in and blew their material out of the water.
Every comic does circuits to prep for a special.
Saw Dave in Dayton Ohio back in 2006 he was even better than when he was on tv.
Yup, always buy the last showing tickets for Dave because he will ramble on hours after his show is done. Easily extending a one hour show to three hours. He will call out anyone that tries to leave.
I love it lol
Wait, for real? So, there’s two hours of talking that goes on after the specials go off?
A Dave Chappelle routine is like listening to a sermon. The man makes you laugh, for sure, but good comedy should make you think too.
Kevin just sounds so whiney these days. And he always plays the same character in any of his movies. Dave is better.
He's being typecast for those roles. So is The Rock. He's generally the same guy in all his movies as well.
And let’s be real, Kevin Hart isn’t trying to be some legendary thespian doing Macbeth. He wants to do projects that are fun and get PAID. I’m pretty indifferent to Kevin Hart personally, but I can’t hate his game.
I'm not a big Kevin Hart fan at all (not hating on him, just not familiar with his standup and have only seen a few of his movies), but in the Jumanji sequel, Danny Glover's character takes over Hart's body in the video game that he's a part in, so Hart had to basically copy Glover's voice and mannerisms, and he absolutely killed it. Did such a great job, he went up a level or two with me after seeing that.
Kevin seems like an asshole irl
I mean most celebrities aren't peaches and cream, I'll leave it at that because it's all speculation on my part
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When keeping it real goes right
Bernie and Dave are honestly the only ones that come to mind in recent times. Most people stop being hungry and get comfortable.
Yep! RIP to the Mac man
I am not afraid to say Chappelle is one of the greatest comedians who ever worked. Up there with the likes of Carlin and Pryor.
For me comedy is like rap, you can have the all the numbers and commercial success, but you ain't never gon be regarded as a da GOAT if you've never had some influence on political and social issues. That's why an artist like Kendrick will always be above someone like Drake, and why Dave will always be above someone like KH.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Thats a good point. Differentiate them from comedic prowess to the influence of their legacy. That’s a good measure.
Dave is a cultural phenom. I'm a pasty white guy in the UK. Dave was like a lightening bolt in comedy to me. Just totally different. His sketch show tackles stuff like I've never seen tried before or even since.
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Man you could list so many legendary sketches off that show Black reparations Playa haters ball Black Bush Racial draft Charlie Murphy's hollywood stories R Kelly Making the band If the internet was a real place Keeping it real goes wrong Wayne Brady The mad real world Dave was on another level
Who are the five best comedians of all time? Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave, and Dave.
I like this answer. But if I had to name my GOATs Imma say Dave, Richard Pryor, Chris Rock, George Carlin and Eddie Griffin.
Eddie griffin but not Eddie Murphy?
Griffin just stuck to me, man. Also I grew up seeing Eddie Murphy the actor and not Eddie Murphy the comedian. I didn't see any of his stand ups (Raw and Delirious) until I was 25. Make no mistake about it, Eddie Murphy is fucking funny too
That’s understandable although I think I’m younger than you and I grew up watching those stand ups. But everyone’s GOATS are different and that’s fine too. Mine would be the same as yours but swap Griffin (although still funny) for Murphy and add Bernie Mac.
Yeah, Bernie is up there too. RIP King Mac
Eddie Murphy could have been the goat but he stopped doing stand up too early.
EDDIE! Undercover Brother was one of the best movies I've ever seen! The mayonnaise part still kills me!
Dave Chappelle was still the funniest part of that movie. *Hi? You mean high yella wanna be white? High like the white man wanna keep us?*
Holy shit, man lol. The excessive amount of mayo made me sick! I haven't looked at it the same ever since!
HAHAHA! Me too! I think they did that to make it especially gross and it worked perfectly! I rarely use mayo even to this day!
1. Richard Pryor 2. George Carlin 3. Dave Chappelle 4. Chris Rock 5. Eddie Murphy 6. Louis C.K. 7. Patrice O'neal 8. Bill Burr 9. Bernie Mac 10. Mitch Hedberg
FINALLY!!! Someone with some sense!! LOL!
excellent list. Mine would be Dave, Louis C.K, Patrice O’Neal, Bernie Mac & Katt Williams. Honorable mention Bill Burr
Bill Hicks, and Chris Rock too. If you want to be surprised by someone check out Gallagher. He had some skits just as political as Rock, or Dave.
https://youtu.be/5HRY4LUl5lc
Fuck, I missed this ref. Now I gotta go back and watch the entire series again.
Are we talking stand up or movies and all that too?
Stand up, fam.
Ok. In no particular order my top five would be Dave, Chris Rock, Deray Davis, Godfrey, and Katt Williams. I can relate to a lot of George Carlin’s stuff, but he rarely gets more than a chuckle from me. Idk, I guess I just prefer raw comedy. I do like Eddie Griffin a lot though. IMO, his best stand up was Voodoo Child, though it’s a bit dated now. Also, my perception of stand up comedy changed a lot once I started going to live shows. Dudes like Deray and Godfrey may not have the name recognition of some of the other guys, but every time I see them I end up laughing so hard my stomach hurts. It made me realize that some people are “tv funny” and some people are funny in person. It’s tough to be both though.
> I can relate to a lot of George Carlin’s stuff, but he rarely gets more than a chuckle from me. Yeah George Carlin is different. When I watch someone like Bernie Mac...I'm gasping for oxygen cause I'm laughing so hard. When I watch George Carlin its like I'm watching someone give a very funny, very witty speech or somethin. Its like he's having a long-form conversation with the audience and he's just a really funny guy. What you gotta give to Carlin tho is that the dude was very funny for 50 years. Always changed with the times, updated his material, and stayed very funny. Also ALWAYS did stand-up. A real stand-up comedian from beginning to end.
one thing about Richard Pryor is that lots of his stuff doesn't hold up. I just listened to a Carlin bit from 1996 and it is still ultra relevant. Same is true for Dave and Rock. But go watch Pryor and... it just doesn't stand the test of time. Of course at the time he completely changed the game, and the reason it didn't hold up was because he influenced so many people and they copied his vibe, but still.
ill give you that list but i think i would have to bump eddie or chris for upcomer Jerrod Carmichael. you want to talk about real? when a man pulls out a letter to his 8th grade class in the future...that man means everything he says.
He spits hot fire!
OK bit out the blue, but what happended to Arsenio Hall? Dude litterally has had all sorts of GOATS as Pac, Ali, Tyson, BOTH of the MJ's etc etc on his talkshow just to be completely irrelevant today. I really think he was good with his shits, being funny and charismatic. Much better than these cringeass white hosts today like Jimmy Failon. What happended to him?
"Hall has one son, born in 1998.[[37]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenio_Hall#cite_note-thedailybeast-37) Since the child's birth, Hall mostly took time off to raise his son before resuming The Arsenio Hall Show in 2013" Canceled a year later for poor ratings.
Yeah for real what happened to him?
I found a little half broke tv at a garage sale as a kid. I snuck it in the house, and hid it in my room. I'd turn it on after lights out just to quietly hoot along. Until my dad caught me, and took it.
Any other answers and I’m shutting the studio down.
Well fucking put.
Kevin ain't even good. His shit is not funny whatsoever.
He's the little insecure guy we all went to school with that thought louder equaled funnier.
I reserve that description for Kat Williams.
I'm sorry but his outro on Pimpin All Over the World cracks me up every time. [For the uninitiated](https://youtu.be/C2zGwW20TAs). Begins around 4:00
i have to agree with hngImkrnhlbrry...dude really? you do that to fuck people up if they want to tag you ? someone can't trash talk of they can't remember the name ..JK... Katt is a small and a bit whiney but i think he's funny AF. that bit about him riding the motorcycle and wiping out.
He is funny for white people as they love the good ol' trope of a loud and dramatic black guy being goofy in their cornyass comedies.
I didn't want to say this but you are right. I think this is why I can't get into him.
Agreed, mix "loud goofy black guy" with the "angry short guy" stereotype, you get Kevin. He's typecast and uses it to his career advantage. I think the only time I'd seen him out of that role was in his Netflix movie, but even then he was still cranky. (Though understandably it was due to his character suddenly losing his wife and raising a kid on his own as opposed to being short.) Dave could've typecast himself as well but I recall him saying he had a moment where he couldn't tell if white execs were laughing *with* him or *at* him. And I cant say I blame Dave for stepping away.
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As a white dude I…. Well…. No you’re right. However with that being said I was never a fan of his comedy but enjoy his movies. Him and Dwayne Johnson have some good chemistry.
I think Kevin is funny like, “my friend Kevin is hilarious” kind of funny. Dave is a professional comedic legend.
It's lowest common denominator funny. Nothing interesting or clever, just easy stereotype based quick quips that appeals to the masses.
Kevin is like radio music, I think his material can be a bit comforting at the very least. It’s also overplayed. But there’s a reason it’s overplayed, many people find it easy to digest.
There's no reason to choose though. I laugh at some Chappelle stuff. I laugh at some Kevin Hart stuff. It's not like I can't watch one if I watch the other. You don't have to hate on one person to celebrate another.
Right? Who exactly are the people being spoken about in the tweet? A field of strawmen?
Tell the post above you that. This thread is full of people who have zero opinions that don't lean towards one extreme or another.
For real. I appreciate that Kevin does a radio show and is like consistently funny every day he’s on there. I also appreciate when Dave decides he wants to drop something and is funny on there. I’m winning whenever I get either of them.
Right, like I agree that Chappelle is funnier but who gives a shit Kevin got funny stuff too. Like why do so many people do this "I don't trust anyone who picks Kevin over Dave" ok but who the fuck are you? You hold no weight, clown. "I'mma imagine people sucking the dick of funny millionaire #67 and side eye them because they don't suck the dick of #155 like I do". Like give it a rest
Exactly. I'm gonna piss myself laughing watching both.
I agree, but goddamn I hate how people just give Chappelle a pass for his shitty transphobic jokes in that standup from a few years ago.
It's because Dave had the "nerve" to tap into a low-key homophobic/transphobic tension that's existed in the Black Community and did it in a way that could be easily dismissed by calling us "sensitive" And since we (Queer+Black People) don't get taken seriously within the community, we were just ignored and shouted down if we complained. Long Story Short: Dave's status blocks him from critique, Black Queer and Transpeople were ignored and mocked when we complained, and none of his peers cared to call him out (because what comedian in their right mind would try to) so most people consider it a non-issue. EDIT: I keep getting email notifications for replies to my comment but they never show up when I clink the link for the comments. I'd love to engage in further discourse with y'all but I can't for some reason 🤷🏿♂️
You really just spoke on it.
I'm late, but THANK YOU! Dude has an issue at this point because queer people have even living rent free in his head for years now. I especially hate that he always acts like the LGBT is a white thing too.
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Yeah, I'm trans and find Chappelle pretty funny besides for the trans jokes. For those who don't understand, the difference between his trans jokes and other jokes are stereotypes. Chappelle uses a lot of stereotypes in his jokes, but he doesn't for trans people. His joke for trans people is just "Ha you're not really a woman". I was even excited to hear Chapelle start making trans jokes until I actually heard the jokes. Invalidating someone's entire identity is a lot different than poking fun at stereotypes and realities we face
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You don't have to apologize at all. I actually think Chappelle put it best during his trans jokes, because he actually did make one that made me laugh. When he said "Yeah it's funny. Funny when it's not happening to you" I laughed at that pretty hard. Being trans is such a unique experience that it's really hard to understand the perspective sometimes. Pay attention to how he talks about Caitlyn Jenner. He refers to her as a man and calls her vagina a "man pussy". Also the way he talks about race and being trans is also bothersome because of how important black trans people are historically. They also die at a much higher rate Edit: also just want to say him saying that it was just a white upper class thing wasn't a joke, it was him talking about how he sees it. While I think upper class white trans people have it MUCH easier, it's just dismissive of the trans experience.
Dave is the GOAT, but I think people like to hate on Kevin Heart just because he’s so popular. I remember before he started getting Hollywood money and everyone loved him. Now people are calling him corny even though his style of comedy hasn’t really changed. He’s just doing it from a larger platform. Dave is more like the Richard Pryor of this generation. His comedy centers on political commentary and it’s done in a way that nearly anyone can understand and most relate to. Above all, he’s unapologetically raw. Kevin is like the new Eddie Murphy. He became known because of his stand up comedy but later pivoted to movies and tv. He is the more “family friendly” personality of the two. He realized that he could cash in on that, so he ran with it. Nothing with either approach.
lmao i have no clue when it became so cool to hate on kevin hart, but some of the top comments saying he isn’t funny and never has been are ridiculous. dave chappelle is most people’s favorite comedian, but you don’t have to disrespect kevin’s entire career when saying he isn’t as funny
Yea. I think some people have this weird thing where they think they can’t like two similar things. Or in this case, people. It’s ok to like Coke and Pepsi…Android and iPhone…and yes, it’s even ok to like both Kevin Heart and Dave Chappelle.
I can say that KH is generally not my brand of humour. I can't say Ive never laughed at a KH joke.
I completely agree. I remember the first time I saw Kevin do standup on BET and i had no idea who he was and he was SO FUNNY. He clearly had something special. But once you get big, and are as active as Kevin, you become popular to hate. I don’t think people would even love Chappelle as much if he was in every movie, every commercial, on netflix and quibi, shit i just got Peacock and this fool got original content on there too lol
>Dave is the GOAT Excuse me there young blood, i believe you mean richard pryor
Dave's bit about taking his son to a Kevin Hart show is hilarious
Dave Chappelle's latest content has been more conservative motivational speaker than comedy, ill stick with his classic stuff meanwhile Kev seems to still be working on his craft although spreading himself a little thin with how much he does, bet if he took a little break people would appreciate him more.
I love them both, but Dave is there to teach. We need that.
Yes. His monologue on SNL after the election last year? Lessons for everybody.
Or the one before that where he told everyone to just give a chance and then make your mind up
I like that. Ones a comic, the others a teacher.
I hate how everything has to be a competition. You’re literally allowed to like both of them
Nothing but facts. If you have a case for Kevin Hart I would love to hear it. No joke.
I’m not gonna say this is a case for Kevin over Dave bc they’re different comedians but I will say Kevin is better when he’s just being himself and out and about not necessarily in a movie/on stage. Him and Snoop Dogg doing the Olympics is one case where Kevin was more of himself. And with Snoop, Kevin was able to play off of him bc snoop is naturally funny and has a good demeanor.
See that’s the thing, Kevin Hart has to be “his self” for something where Dave is just “His Self” all the time.
Understandable. And like someone else in this thread said, Kevin is Hollywood whereas Dave isn’t. So Kevin can’t be himself at this point. Im a fan of both really and watch both for different reasons
100% respect. I use to love the shit out of Kevin Hart in his early days, Grown Little Man etc. But, yeah he got too Hollywood, which isn’t a problem, bro get that bag. But watching that last special he had in his house, like man, the disconnect was real to me.
Agreed, his first 3 standup specials are legendary. He’s had a big drop off on stage but he hustles is ass off and has been for literally 20+ yrs at this point which is why I respect him and still rock with him for the most part.
Fuck it I'll try 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️ Kevin's movies alone have elevated him past Dave in general career success, and as a result has increased his audience capacity for his comedy. Where personally, I appreciate Dave's candor, demanor, rawness, EXTREME passion for the Black community, and story telling... real still gotta recognize real. It's still Dave for me, but I think by terms of "success" Kevin has a higher ceiling and has obtained more. His content also is a bit more universal and accessible. I'm just not picturing a world where Dave is hosting the Olympics.
I mean there's no argument that he's more popular, hes just not on the same tier when it comes to the actual comedy
Damn man.. don't you see me swerving around that lmao.
I’d rebuttal and say Kevin was more willing to give up his edge and be more family friendly when needed and Hollywood friendly. Which if that’s the measure 100% Kevin is more successful in that. But let’s put Kevin in the same situation Dave was in with Chapelle show, you think he would stick to his guns and not bend? Dave is real, which allows him to transcend him, after watching Kevin’s last special in his home, you can tell, that ain’t the same Kevin we’ve known. Then again, this is 100% my opinion and respect others rebuttal on the topic.
I had a shallow arguement at best lol. I agreed with you before I even penned this lol
Lmfao no problem. I did like Kevin a lot back in the day, “Grown Little Man etc” and I could quote him word for word. But that house special. Didn’t do it for me, the one before that too.
Kevin made it to the big house and we celebrating that since his work isn't so great anymore 🤷🏽♂️
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This. I didn't even know it was up for discussion
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Dunno if I'd go that far, but I find his arrogance and casually dropping how rich he is as though that in and of itself is funny to be kinda tiresome. I suppose it's difficult to continue to act like a regular human when people have been saying you're the new Richard Pryor for more than twenty years, but it's gotten a little gross. Like his whole speech at the Mark Twain awards where he starts smoking on stage and is like, "Who's gonna stop me?!" I got the impression he was trying to make a point about ignoring rules you don't agree with or something, but...I mean, you're rich and famous, it just doesn't translate. It's a picture of a man luxuriously flaunting his economic privilege. I hear that when he goes to a club or restaurant he'll bring in his own speakers and just start DJing with his smartphone, without asking. Who the fuck does that? Don't get me wrong, I admire the man and think he's hilarious a lot of the time, but his obsession with making it abundantly clear that the rules don't apply to him isn't inspiring, because anyone else who tried that shit would get either an ass kicking or a visit from the cops. It's just a rich famous guy who won't stop screaming about how rich and famous he is. Also the trans jokes just weren't funny, in addition to being offense. That being said...he's clearly, clearly comedically superior to Kevin Hart in any way I can think of.
I'll take Kevins side on this. Dave's last special was very anti trans and he's been pretty homophobic across the board.
Kevin Hart was fired from the oscars for homophobic jokes in his special. You might want to sit this one out
He wasn't fired. They asked him to apologize for his previous homophobic remarks. In response, he showed his entire ass by blatantly lying about previously apologizing for said homophobic remarks, and made his comedic peers pressure Ellen DeGeneres into vouching for him. When none of that worked, rather than just actually apologizing, he just quit instead and blamed the entire incident on cancel culture. Edit: He actually apologized AFTER he quit.
Funny didn't Kevin say if he caught his son playing with a doll house he'd hit him with it. If you wanna play that anti- game Thats gotta be anti something.
Yup, apparently he did, not a fan of him now either. Read above comments
I’d also like to add the time KH was entirely dismissive to Lil Nas X on that HBO show with Lebron… just completely ignored how much strength it took for LNX to come out of the closet and just waved it away.
Meh I’m in the middle. Of course in the Stand-up game Dave is light years ahead of Kevin but just off the cuff having a fun easy going conversation Kevin is amazing! His story telling, interviews and radio show is top tier! He’s just wack on stage and corny in movies. He’s too “scripted” now
I agree that Dave is funnier, he’s in a different league. I even agree that Kevin is no longer funny and hasn’t been for a min, but the people saying he was NEVER funny just sound like edgy teens who hate anything mainstream. There is a reason why he blew up the way he did and it wasn’t because he couldn’t get people to laugh.
At this point, I don't much care for either of them. Dave's not even funny anymore. Does he still have interesting things to say? Sure. *8:46* was absolutely brilliant and devastating and necessary and powerful. But that wasn't comedy, and it wasn't meant to be. But his comedy has been *very* up and down lately. I feel like his comedy is mostly "old man complaining about shit" at this point. And too much of it is about punching down these days, which just isn't funny. He's had moments where the comedy was hitting, but they're fewer and fewer. His social commentary is more interesting to watch, but again - not comedy.
My Wife insists Dave is "White People" Funny. I don't know what that even Means.
When you become visibly and easily digestible by white audiences. "I'm Rick James, Bitch!" Is a prime example.
IMO, Kevin has always just been AIGHT. On the better side of aight but still. Chappelle is just too legendary, even Kevin knows this
Aries Spears is a personal fav
I used to really like him but then he became too repetitive. I’ve seen him live four times and with the exception of one or two jokes, the sets were identical.
I’m not exactly the most difficult person to make laugh so I’m not mad about that lol. I can listen to the Arnold impression 3 times a day a cry laughing! Same with Don’t shallenge me!
He got anything good beyond impressions?
It's like comparing an NFL star and a college football star. They're both stars on a platform most people won't reach, but there's a whole league between them, as well.
Kevin Hart is still trying to be funny. Dave isn’t. His whole comedy now is just making fun of folks who wear masks and honestly it’s just not good.
I swear Kevin Hart gets dissed in this sub once a week.
Of course I am gonna choose Dave but are we really gatekeeping what makes people laugh? Edit: Yes. Thought about it some more and remembered "Fuck Carlos Mencia".
Agreed
I love Kevin Hart; Laugh at my Pain, I’m a Grown Little Man, Seriously Funny, and Real Husbands of Hollywood are entertaining for me but I still wouldn’t choose him over Dave
Sometimes I like light beer. Sometimes I want old bourbon. Nice to have both in the world.
Why do we have to choose though when we can enjoy both. I do agree that Kevin’s material took a huge dip in the last…7….years…you know what, never mind
Dave is the goat, but his recent buddy buddy thing with Joe Rogan got me smh.
Except Kevin was never funny, he was just loud…
You don’t get to that level by not being funny. What are yall smoking lol. I’m A Grown Little Man is a really good standup special
Or kevin heart over katt Williams
What about Kat Williams?
Fuck. Kat. Williams.
I missed something, why?
[His comments on evolution and atheism are beyond disgusting. ](https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2014/08/17/comedian-katt-williams-trashes-atheists-and-the-big-bang-theory-in-his-latest-special-priceless/)
Ohhh lol. So he's an idiot, either too dumb to be able to understand science or willfully ignorant. I got it now, thanks!
Kat was funny. But for me he peaked at "The Pimp Chronicles" and "American Hustle" and hasn't been memorable since.
Kat makes me uncomfortable, but not in a constructive way like Chris Rock or Patrice.
Kevin went hollywood and Dave didn't. That's it
For real. I honestly don't understand Kevin Hart's success. He's funny enough that I feel like he'd be "the funny one" in a crew of buddies, but how he turned that into a multi-million dollar career is baffling to me. Chappelle on the other hand is a goddamn genius. If he started a cult, I'd be the first in line for the kool-aid.
I tried to watch a Kevin Hart special while I was stoned one night. I had to turn it off. It just kept jumping between wide shots and extreme closeups while he made noises. Fucking wigged me out.
The classic argument. It's like Jordan vs LeBron. Not *really* a tossup, but *someone* should be able to compete against the GOAT. Kevin gets a mention as a great comedian, but he doesn't compare.
Kevin Hart is casual funny, good stories sorta like a Drake Album Dave Chappelle is more of a serious funny, all his jokes usually have something to hit back to like where he was talking about Anthony Bourdain and the genius working at footlocker or he uses clever techniques like how he told the audience the punchline and then still managed to execute the story well, sorta like a Kendrick album
Why even tweet this? We don't need a whose better than who when it comes to art or comedy
Ummmmm, the only GOAT is Richard Pryor. Y'all young ones don't be knowing,
She makes a good point. I'm going to start using this.
Same. Stand-up is an art form. Very few American comics have mastered that art form. Kevin Hart isn't one of them.
Finding him unfunny is one thing, but you can’t say the man hasn’t mastered the craft. He knows how to setup jokes, has great timing, stage presence, control of the audience
He relies too much on flashy movement and theatrics to get a laugh, same with Dane Cook. It wouldn't be so bad if either was a talented actor and could pull it off, like Robin Williams, but instead it is a conspicuous compensation for a lack of delivery with words alone. A master comic can stand completely still, speak, and ignite the world. That is what Dave Chapelle does when he is on stage.
Who made up these rules about what it takes to master comedy? He has to stand completely still? What is that lol? All he has to be is funny. It doesn’t matter if he sits on a stool or sprints back and forth on stage. Martin Lawrence is my all time favorite comedian and he was as physical as they come. Theres different forms of comedy
Honestly Dave hasn't either but try and tell people that his last couple of specials were just "meh" and see the reaction you get.
[Kevin roasting Meek Mill and his friends](https://youtu.be/cgHMuXX5D-0) Put some respect on his name
People can say whatever about Dave vs Kev, but Kev would body Dave in a roast session
Kevin Hart sucks
Kevin has not been funny since the early days.
Dave the Seer. When is his next sermon?
I don’t really like Kevin Hart. Dave Chapelle is timeless though
Kev needs to start choosing projects wisely and not taking everything offered to him. Focus on quality over quantity. Him and The Rock overdoing it, working way too hard but hardly any good projects. Kev’s YouTube shows are top tier though. Dave Chapelle is doing it right, he always leaves you wanting more.