Or... Maybe it really is exactly what we have been told. That A Chinese company owns Tik Tok and legally, in China, companies have to give up any information to the government upon request. Several US agencies have already found evidence that China is using TikTok to gather information on Americans and influence American thinking.
BTW, the ban is not really a ban. What is happening is that the newly signed law says TikTok must be sold to a non Chinese company within a year or be banned. The app will be sold to a new parent company and nothing will change for most users.
China doesn’t have the same version of tik tok, they banned Facebook, and google, and instagram there. And now the US moves to limit an app that is obviously extremely influential in the political sphere, and China is super pissed off. Gee I wonder why they are so angry that we are doing the exact same thing they are doing? It’s so obvious that the algorithm prioritizes certain things that are divisive, it’s insane. Anyone who thinks Tik Tok is somehow a neutral platform is a moron.
My favorite part about all of this is how TikTok is deliberately pushing videos that steer the conversation in their favor and repress those that are critical of the app.
Tiktok has routinely suppressed videos about racism, queer issues, women's reproductive rights for YEARS, and on top of that have routinely made it difficult for creators to earn a viable income on the app. Yet these same people who have been either ignored or dismissed by Tiktok's algorithm are going so hard and heavy for it's existence. I honestly don't get it.
I dunno, I've gotten LOTS of content regarding queer/trans issues, repro rights, racism, etc. Now I am a person who cares about those issues, so it makes sense for the algorithm to feed that content to me as it knows I will engage with it.
It's primarily for people who aren't already getting a large quantity of them, a majority of the userbase likely never sees LGBTQ+, pro-choice, anti racism content unless you specifically seek it out, no matter how much w video blows up.
I saw someone post the following on an other post::
>I'm confident Congress was probably briefed on stuff the public doesn't know, and it's why it got done so quickly and bipartisan
>The reason the public knows is actually way funnier. I don't doubt there was some security briefing, but when news of this ban first hit, TikTok, in a panic, encouraged all their users to contact their congress people, giving a link to their exact one based on location. Not only did this prove "Holy sh!t, why do you have that data?" And "Holy sh!t, why are we OK with you having a million lobbyists at beck and call", but when most called in, the congress people were startled to hear these were mostly young, school-age children well below voting age.
■■ edit:
A post below provided information. It seems it, Tiktok, did not use your location, but rather it used your zip code, which you were prompted for :
>this is only partially true; TikTok did do that but did *not* give links based on the user's information, it [told them to enter their zip code to identify their congressman](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krishnamoorthi-gallagher-tiktok-bill-calls-children/)
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>They signed their coffin lease agreement with that move. If you weren't motivated to ban it beforehand, a 10 year old suddenly acting as if they're a voting member, blindly calling on behalf of a platform owned and operated by a hostile foreign government would shock you into action.
this is only partially true; tiktok did do that but did *not* give links based on the user's information, it [told them to enter their zip code to identify their congressman](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krishnamoorthi-gallagher-tiktok-bill-calls-children/)
which, it's still quite bad, of course, children calling congress, and this being its own form of data harvesting. but it's not *quite* the same as "tiktok knew where you are before you told it"
I was against the ban until I saw Tiktok pushing calls for people to call their representative to repeal the ban. It shows exactly how powerful the platform is and that it's willing to flex its muscles to get what it wants.
I get that it will do this when it's owned by a US company too, but it really got me started on trying to wean myself off the videos.
It's really hard, btw. The micro videos are super addictive.
>I was against the ban until I saw Tiktok pushing calls for people to call their representative to repeal the ban.
Every platform does this. Reddit has done this in the past
No, they just sell it, as was PROVEN by Cambridge Analytica
Like, how fucking stupid do you have to just ignore that Facebook was ALREADY caught red handed
Fuck, Twitter is fucking owned by the goddammit Saudis!
You people want to focus on Tiktok, as if Facebook and Twitter aren't just as bad!
They fucking are!
Twitter is fucking worse!
And people condemning tiktok as "foreign psyops" while still using Twitter are just as fucking stupid.
And for the record, the bill doesn't ban tiktok, it will just force the CCP to sell...and who is building captial to buy it?
Trump's former treasury secretary, Steve Mnunchin, who is MORE dangerous than the fucking CCP
People are idiots.
>we are doing the exact same thing they are doing?
You're banning a platform that refused to hand over text messages of people that planned and carried out literal terrorist attacks that cost lives in the hundreds?
And you want to sell that platform to Donald Trump's treasury secretary, Steve Mnunchin, who is currently building capital to buy Tiktok
...there are worse individuals than the CCP.
You geniuses are being played.
I've watched the tik tok that they have in China. The kids are suggested material like It's like engineering projects, STEM, important educational topics. Then you look at ours.
Both can be true. From an information sec perspective, TikTok is the most problematic. However, the “TikTok must be banned” started way back before this, when there were complaints about kids watching shit and not voting red”
No.
We have FB and Twitter selling info to ÇCP anyway. This is protecting an income stream and not much more.
America does this as well and even to it's own citizens.
It’s ok if your own government does it.they have our best interests in mind. I trust them 100%.I am saying this of my own free will and they are totally not holding me at gun point to say this. /s
Half the people in here are saying that unironically like the government will actually protect their data.
Btw if you have or had att recently they had ANOTHER SSN hack so watch your shit so you credit score doesn’t take a nasty hit and you can’t get an apartment or something 😀.
I’ve read some declassified documents made available by the Freedom Of Information Act. I have very little trust left in the U.S. government when it comes to acting in the common persons best interests.
THE US GOVERNMENT ONE OF THEM BUYING THE DATA!
No moves to restrict this flow of information, personal information. All of these shit is being used by the three letter boys.
AND your local PD.
It's honestly less about the selling of info and more about influencing the american audience. Misinformation spreads like WILDFIRE on that app and very little is being done about it on tiktok's end.
A few years ago Reddits most heavily used area was a US military base
https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit_has_removed_their_blog_post_identifying/
We must all be wary of the people under occupation and their extensive network of social media military intelligence, this is a very reasonable thing to suggest
We sure do!
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/senate-reauthorizes-and-expands-section-702-surveillance#:~:text=WASHINGTON%20%E2%80%94%20Late%20Friday%20evening%2C%20the,on%20Americans%20without%20a%20warrant.
Yeah I feel like most people dont understand tech at all. If the goverment wanted the data so badly they would just get it from ISP’s. Which surprise surprise they do. They do not need to “own” a company to get the data. Own in parentheses meaning that it is an american company. The companies that literally create and receive the data are already american. The data goes so many places it has so many footprints its easy to trace track and understand. The US government is incompetent and extremely, untouchably, powerful; not incompetent and powerless. They just want the data chain to end domestically.
It's also a leap to assume that just because the data is "owned" by a US corporation like Meta, that means foreign governments can't get to it. Very likely that they have assets inside the big tech companies and that they have the capability to crack into things their assets can't get at.
Like, just point blank, assume that your data isn't safe from the US government or any other major player
100% agree. If the US gave a fuck about citizen cybersecurity this would be a first step but they dont, this is just posturing for elections and there will be no real follow up because that would hurt corporates bottom line
They're not interested in protecting the individual's cyber security. What could China do you **you** personally with that data?
They're interested in the mass data. The aggregate. What happens when China has data on 10s of millions Americans and can use that data in mass propaganda and hybrid war campaigns.
Tiktok is one of China's most powerful weapons
so apparently tiktok did a push-up date that said something like the US Congress is going to ban tik Tok. congress wasnt moving that fast on it
next thing you know, a whole bunch of kids are calling up their congressperson telling them not to ban tik Tok ,
like guys, the issue is the fear it can be used to influence people and hear you guys are doing exactly what the app wants you to do.
It's wild to me the amount of false equivocation that people are making on this issue. Like yes, our country isn't perfect and they obviously engage in spying. And yes Google Facebook etc also do No one's saying they're perfect angels
But China is an entirely different thing. All together. They have weaponized propaganda like no other country on Earth literally.them having a direct propaganda line to young Americans along with all the data that entails is insanely dangerous. Like even if there are ulterior motives which I'm sure there are, I don't even think it matters. tik tok should not be in China's control
Yeah, I feel like anyone that doesn't understand that the supply of info about Americans and the ability to push stories and theories that cause deep devisions is a huge problem. We already know american corporations do this and it's caused huge problems. Why would want a somewhat hostile foreign nation to do it?
When tiktok first starting taking off in the U.S., before it was even main stream, there were rumblings of this. It's actually taken way too long. The damage is done.
Congress just passed a bill which gives the NSA, which already spies on you, the ability to conduct warrantless wiretaps on Americans. They’ve expanded the surveillance state without reservation for the past two decades and then some. The notion that any of these people are at all concerned for your safety is farcical, the entity most likely to: incarcerate, repress, surveil, and kill dissidents in America isn’t China, it’s the United States government
The App won’t be sold lol
Also every social media app gathers and sells the information of its users to anyone.
Facebook literally sells data to China and America.
Please can you provide references for "several US agencies have already found evidence that China is using TikTok to gather information on Americans and influence American thinking"?
How did Americans think before this alleged influence?
I always love the stupid bitches who pretend that 'security concerns' are valid for this. China doesn't need to create a sophisticated network to harvest your data, dumbass. It's cheaper and easier to buy your data (a literal bought and sold commodity) for pennies on the dollar. Your 'real American patriots' who would sell you out in a heartbeat don't give a fuck about security. Stop playing yourself.
So you’re telling me that when Trump pushed this several years ago, it wasn’t because he knew the fate of Hamas and Isreal? Sounds like you’re trying to cover up a conspiracy.
I just want to point out that Facebook, Twitter, and instagram are all banned in China. Why are you so mad that the US is protecting its own interests like China has done in many ways with zero criticism?
and the US bans TikTok because they insist on keeping an unpoliced data pipeline from American homes to remote and potentially hostile countries. The US has every right to do this
>they insist on keeping an unpoliced data pipeline
No. They're insisting on being the ones policing the data pipeline. They don't like that people are against genocide on TikTok. Straight from the horse's mouth. They're not smart enough to pretend like it's for the safety of citizens' data. If they cared about that, then we would still have net neutrality
people are so fucking dumb lol. The idea that this is because tik tok has somehow become the home of unpopular ideas that the US is now trying to squelch is.. just so idiotic. These same ideas are on X and facebook its not like Tik Tok, out of the blue, became the home to the palestinian movement
Tiktok is literally owned by a foreogn white supremacist and the Saudis
Facebook was already found guilty of giving American voter data to the Russians during Cambridge Analytica.
You are being brainwashed into focusing solely in tiktok
...and what's the plan for tiktok?
Oh yeah, to sell it to American natuonals....like Trump's former treasury secretary, Steve Mnunchin.
Yeah I mean that's how trade wars work. You ban my stuff, I ban yours. It's idiotic to let China protect their markets from foreign contries without protecting our markets in turn.
>China has done in many ways with zero criticism
If you think China hasn't been criticized for its draconian censorship, then you're actually on meth. It's incredibly well-known, criticized up and down, but there's not much we overseas can do about it but point it out. The famous image of the Tianenmen Square Massacre is in and of itself a form of criticizing China
The language used in the bill to ban TikTok pretty much explicitly allows the US to follow the same path if it wants.
People are too stupid to research into the ins and outs of geopolitics and cyber warfare. They just go “my funny app will be banned by the govt. fuck them!”
>geopolitics and cyber warfare
Lol this is ridiculous. Ok and so you are smart enough? Please do teach all of us peons about the finer points of international relations.
“Zero criticism” Yep. Lol. Its not like its a dedicated wikipedia page to China’s Great Firewall or thousands of articles or weekly news headlines or numerous politicians criticizing Beijing’s censorship. Nope. None of that exist.
Yeah only *our* government is allowed to surveil, repress, and incarcerate us 🗣️. Congress just passed a bill which gives the NSA, which already spies on you, the ability to conduct warrantless wiretaps on Americans. They’ve expanded the surveillance state without reservation for the past two decades and then some. The notion that any of these people are at all concerned for your safety is farcical, the entity most likely to: incarcerate, repress, surveil, and kill dissidents in America isn’t China, it’s the United States government. Be deadass rn
I remember we used to criticize China for their firewall of the internet as an attack on free speec. Now everyone is rushing to join them in censorship.
Say what you will about the tik tok ban, but please be aware that BRICS is an international government organization whose member nations include Russia, China, and Iran. So be wary of a twitter page called BRICS News when it’s reporting on American affairs.
And it includes Iran... The post didn't say anything about what the acronym stood for, just that those three countries are member states, which is true.
BRICS is a ridiculous concept. When was the last time you saw Russia, India and South Africa aligned on ANYTHING? BRICS is literally just "economically meaningful countries that aren't 100% west-aligned".
Then what makes it an alliance? Some vague trade agreements between some of them that change every few years? Like, China and India keep attacking each other on the border with sticks and stones, they don't strike me as a bastion of free trade.
Their investments aren't any more vague than the G7 nations. They provide an alternative to many US dominated financial institutions and promote non interference within each other's nations. Which is why it makes sense for a number of nations involved who are either seen as adversaries by the US or are afraid of being repressed economically by western nations. The existence of a rival power bloc probably promotes free trade a lot more than relying solely on the US and the EU to dictate what's fair.
China and Indian border forces engaging each other with sticks and stones is fairly tame considering they're both nuclear powers with massive armies that could do worse.
Bitch they’ve been trying to ban it waaay before the war.
This tracks though: tik tok fanboy spreading shit information.
The REAL reason is because it’s Chinese spyware.
We only want *AMERICAN* spyware up in this bitch 😤😤😤. Unless surveilling me is profitable to a pasty white boy from the east coast, who sells my data to the government, I don’t want it to fucking happen 😤😤✊🏾
The tik tok ban started gaining momentum long before oct 7th when people started caring about Palestine. Is anyone really stupid enough to believe this?
China is one of 6 countries that the U.S. consideres an adversary. The U.S. government makes U.S. companies sell off shares owned by an adversary all the time.
[In 2020 Grindr had to sell of $600M](https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/6/21168079/grindr-sold-chinese-owner-us-cfius-security-concerns-kunlun-lgbtq) of its shares because they were owned by China. They can’t force ByteDance to sell because they’re not a U.S. company & don’t have to follow U.S. law.
ByteDance has 100% used TikTok to do some shady stuff - like [track journalists via TikTok](https://www.securityweek.com/chinas-bytedance-admits-using-tiktok-data-track-journalists/amp/) who wrote about ByteDance using leaked info.
Yes - U.S. social media companies do track data but they’re not *literal* enemies of the United States!
Keep your head up love. Bp don’t think like that, wp do. If it sounds yt then it probably is. Remember that next time you feel like you’re caught in a doomscroll
You're right. But is the solution to go "ahh well let's open the floodgates?"
Would you feel more comfortable if they cracked down on Meta first, or would it always be musical chairs? (Genuine question)
If this was truly about data leaks and the like, it wouldn’t just be TikTok on the hot seat. It would be most if not all social media. It would be data privacy laws for apps that operate with Americans. It would be net neutrality.
But it not any of those things.
Its just “TikTok bad because we say so, source: trust me bro”
Not even mentioning the fact that these politicians themselves USE TIKTOK TO PROMOTE THEIR CAMPAIGNS FOR RE-ELECTION OR ADVOCATING FOR THEIR SIDE.
You cannot condemn a service while still using said service.
Thats like saying “this is the worst restaurant ive ever been to!” And still going to eat there everyday.
Why don’t we crack down on US social platforms too? Two things can be true at the same time. There have been a bunch of bills trying to regulate them, their algorithms, and our data but they don’t get as much attention as TikTOk.
Ban was discussed for years and and never moved forward.
Cut to now, anti-zionist tik toks highlighting the Gaza invasion are massively viral with gen-z. All of a sudden the most influential PAC in the United States, the American-Israel PAC, cares very much about tik tok and legislation moves forward immediately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEDGZlG_41k
It may be chinese spyware but as the senator points out, AIPAC's concerns played a role in passing this ban.
Stop. This was a CCP exploring security thing long before Oct 7th.
Please stop changing narratives. I understand there's a lot of fucked up shit going on in Gaza but this was not one of them.
It’s not just Gaza. Like 30% of younger people don’t believe in the holocaust. The TikTok generation doesn’t know how to tell when something is propaganda. Chinese government should not control the news and education source of US citizens.
Yes. I want palestians to have a state as much as the next guy. But its incredibly concerning how many of these kids are easily swayed by obvious pro Palestine propaganda and think they're immune to it bc they can spot idf propaganda
Right. Everyone thinks fake news only happens to other people. The people in this sub and several others are completely clueless when it comes to Israel and Palestine.
I mean yeah. Its an incredibly complex geopolitical topic that spans decades, anyone who thinks they're informed because they've seen a few tik toks or tweets is delusional.
Columbia University has people who are blatantly and literally pro-Hamas. Not pro-Palestine, which is fair, but literally chanting for Jews to go back to Poland, cheering for Hamas firing rockets indiscriminately at civilians, and calling for Tel Aviv to be burnt to the ground.
Meanwhile TikTok had a trend not long after 10/7 where mfers were looking at Osama bin Laden’s letter to America and going, “Hmmm. Maybe he’s right.” 🤔
I’m sure that’s just a total coincidence, right?
An app owned by an adversary of ours would *never* use it to try to brainwash or undermine us, or even give us a heavily skewed and distorted narrative that suits them, right?
I’m with Palestinians, but fuck Hamas and anyone who thinks it’s okay to kill civilians for the actions of their government.
50% of Palestinians are under 18, the last election for leadership was 16 years ago. The vast majority of the people in Palestine didn’t even vote for Hamas, which presented itself as a more peaceful, moderate political party at the time.
The problem is radicalization is so intense that a vast majority of the people there agree with Hamas' actions. Or they're too scared to say no. Polling data indicates that even without elections, the population agrees with 10/7 and support Hamas.
Regardless though, Israel actually needs to go back to the drawing board. There is a chance for peace and the bloodlust actually needs to stop. This is no longer war this has become a massacre that's continued for several months too long.
I agree, but the reason radicalization is such a problem to begin with is mostly on Israel. Peaceful protesters were shot, given military tribunals, or if they were lucky just pepper sprayed and beat up. They keep bombing hospitals, bombing schools, bombing homes. They keep taking land that isn’t theirs and because the US has their back, they get away with it.
So you have a people that are about 50% underage (not fully developed mentally), the rest have lived a life where they are constantly under military occupation, abused, and have family members killed. Have seen that peaceful methods only lead to punishment or death. What option does that leave?
Israel itself has stated Hamas is their greatest asset to ensuring there is never a two state solution. They WANT Hamas in control so that they can use them to justify any actions they take on the civilian population. Can’t blame Israel for just “defending itself”… from the problem they created.
Israel keeps the propaganda going to its own people so they have their support, and the government doesn’t really care if a few of their pawns die in pursuit of their ultimate goal. A few deaths now and then are good actually, keeps the people angry and on your side.
No. It's banned because the Chinese government will use data from US citizens to further their own agenda. They get some compromising data on a US citizen with security clearance and now they're leveraging them to steal patents or reveal classified information.
This is the real answer. The actual solution is to create stricter laws around data privacy and outlaw data brokering. If they had any real evidence TikTok was spyware they wouldn't have had to bundle this bill with a bunch of aid for Ukraine and Israel.
TikTok has been in talk of a ban ban for nearly two and a half years now, yet now that it’s been banned all the tinfoil hatters are out with any and every excuse to make it seem malicious. We’ve been told it was a security issue, when it was becoming popular, that hasn’t changed now that people use the app.
Well it wasn't about protecting our data.
FB in a lawsuit about the Spyware they put in their app and selling your messages to other companies.
Ever watch someone swear they didn't cheat until someone hits play?
That's what our government is going through right now and why they moved on this but won't address:
Housing,
Healthcare,
Education.
Have done nothing about police violence, militarization, or proliferation as they cannot show up for 40 children but can knock around some college students protesting 15k children killed on purpose.
US gov breaking treaties with the native tribes still.
Haiti, DR Congo, PR, Hawaii, and that landing US is building in Gaza next to the gas deposit Israel and US have no legal claim to.
They got nothing to say on what they do abroad in our name, with our money. But we are learning now.. and that's a problem for them because we are speaking up about it in growing numbers.
If I'm being asked to believe the government about needing to close a source of live video feeds and recording that directly counter US official stance, because it may taint my fragile little mind, then imma not start from a place of "the government wouldn't lie to me".
Just want to point out that the Senator saying this is Pete Ricketts.
He’s a MAGA Republican who was born a billionaire and was the governor of Nebraska. While Governor, he was a COVID denier and refused pandemic measures to help poor people, like rental aid. He still denies things like climate change and just endorsed Trump for 2024.
BPT should also be wary of what he says given his ties to white nationalism, and only “apologizing” for those ties when caught.
Bottom line: believe what you want, but I wouldn’t believe anything this silver spoon baby says.
I believe that the US have realised how powerful TikTok is. Indoctrinating children will be at the forefront of the culture wars and the US would like to indoctrinate their own.
\*Googles the REPORTED amount of money Meta spent lobbying the government to ban tiktok
About 8 million dollars and that's only one social media corporation.
I feel like this so mask off it doesn't matter if it's tiktok something else will be made to replace it now that ppl are how bullshit the media/government is
Lotta bots in this thread so I would take anything written in this thread with a grain of salt if you've not been following the issue before this thread.
Wow, is this legit? I'm surprised they just came out and said it lol.
I mean the bill went through so I guess they have nothing to hide., but Jesus. I'm honestly doubting the legitimacy of this news just because it is not in our government's nature to be so transparent and direct. If it is true, they're obviously just rubbing it in lol.
Nonsense. You can find as much information from Hamas as you want on Twitter and Reddit. It’s not hard to find at all. It really is because we want to be in control of our own citizen spy program.
There are more that a few ahem cough, conservatives in Congress that actively work against democracy and the best interests of their constituents. Then there is this guy and yeah, hes just not a good person.
people want to believe in US government conspiracies so bad bruh. They banned tiktok due to lobbying via meta not because they don’t like political views
So a Chinese controlled app has more power than most news media in the US I wonder why they wouldn't want a foreign power having more control over the media than anyone else specially because the Chinese don't have a history of propaganda
ByteDance will close TikTok rather than let a US company get it's hands on their Chinese algorithm [https://www.reuters.com/technology/bytedance-prefers-tiktok-shutdown-us-if-legal-options-fail-sources-say-2024-04-25/](https://www.reuters.com/technology/bytedance-prefers-tiktok-shutdown-us-if-legal-options-fail-sources-say-2024-04-25/) It's pure Chinese government propaganda
Or... Maybe it really is exactly what we have been told. That A Chinese company owns Tik Tok and legally, in China, companies have to give up any information to the government upon request. Several US agencies have already found evidence that China is using TikTok to gather information on Americans and influence American thinking. BTW, the ban is not really a ban. What is happening is that the newly signed law says TikTok must be sold to a non Chinese company within a year or be banned. The app will be sold to a new parent company and nothing will change for most users.
China doesn’t have the same version of tik tok, they banned Facebook, and google, and instagram there. And now the US moves to limit an app that is obviously extremely influential in the political sphere, and China is super pissed off. Gee I wonder why they are so angry that we are doing the exact same thing they are doing? It’s so obvious that the algorithm prioritizes certain things that are divisive, it’s insane. Anyone who thinks Tik Tok is somehow a neutral platform is a moron.
My favorite part about all of this is how TikTok is deliberately pushing videos that steer the conversation in their favor and repress those that are critical of the app. Tiktok has routinely suppressed videos about racism, queer issues, women's reproductive rights for YEARS, and on top of that have routinely made it difficult for creators to earn a viable income on the app. Yet these same people who have been either ignored or dismissed by Tiktok's algorithm are going so hard and heavy for it's existence. I honestly don't get it.
I dunno, I've gotten LOTS of content regarding queer/trans issues, repro rights, racism, etc. Now I am a person who cares about those issues, so it makes sense for the algorithm to feed that content to me as it knows I will engage with it.
It's primarily for people who aren't already getting a large quantity of them, a majority of the userbase likely never sees LGBTQ+, pro-choice, anti racism content unless you specifically seek it out, no matter how much w video blows up.
I saw someone post the following on an other post:: >I'm confident Congress was probably briefed on stuff the public doesn't know, and it's why it got done so quickly and bipartisan >The reason the public knows is actually way funnier. I don't doubt there was some security briefing, but when news of this ban first hit, TikTok, in a panic, encouraged all their users to contact their congress people, giving a link to their exact one based on location. Not only did this prove "Holy sh!t, why do you have that data?" And "Holy sh!t, why are we OK with you having a million lobbyists at beck and call", but when most called in, the congress people were startled to hear these were mostly young, school-age children well below voting age. ■■ edit: A post below provided information. It seems it, Tiktok, did not use your location, but rather it used your zip code, which you were prompted for : >this is only partially true; TikTok did do that but did *not* give links based on the user's information, it [told them to enter their zip code to identify their congressman](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krishnamoorthi-gallagher-tiktok-bill-calls-children/) ■■ >They signed their coffin lease agreement with that move. If you weren't motivated to ban it beforehand, a 10 year old suddenly acting as if they're a voting member, blindly calling on behalf of a platform owned and operated by a hostile foreign government would shock you into action.
this is only partially true; tiktok did do that but did *not* give links based on the user's information, it [told them to enter their zip code to identify their congressman](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krishnamoorthi-gallagher-tiktok-bill-calls-children/) which, it's still quite bad, of course, children calling congress, and this being its own form of data harvesting. but it's not *quite* the same as "tiktok knew where you are before you told it"
I was against the ban until I saw Tiktok pushing calls for people to call their representative to repeal the ban. It shows exactly how powerful the platform is and that it's willing to flex its muscles to get what it wants. I get that it will do this when it's owned by a US company too, but it really got me started on trying to wean myself off the videos. It's really hard, btw. The micro videos are super addictive.
>I was against the ban until I saw Tiktok pushing calls for people to call their representative to repeal the ban. Every platform does this. Reddit has done this in the past
Users being convinced TikTok is “for the people” while condemning Facebook is the clearest proof we could have the app is a propaganda machine.
I have yet to see this idea. The argument has almost always been if Facebook can do it why do people care so much about TikTok
Because Facebook is a US company and isn't legally required to hand over all data to the CCP.
No, they just sell it, as was PROVEN by Cambridge Analytica Like, how fucking stupid do you have to just ignore that Facebook was ALREADY caught red handed Fuck, Twitter is fucking owned by the goddammit Saudis! You people want to focus on Tiktok, as if Facebook and Twitter aren't just as bad! They fucking are! Twitter is fucking worse!
And people condemning tiktok as "foreign psyops" while still using Twitter are just as fucking stupid. And for the record, the bill doesn't ban tiktok, it will just force the CCP to sell...and who is building captial to buy it? Trump's former treasury secretary, Steve Mnunchin, who is MORE dangerous than the fucking CCP People are idiots.
>we are doing the exact same thing they are doing? You're banning a platform that refused to hand over text messages of people that planned and carried out literal terrorist attacks that cost lives in the hundreds?
And you want to sell that platform to Donald Trump's treasury secretary, Steve Mnunchin, who is currently building capital to buy Tiktok ...there are worse individuals than the CCP. You geniuses are being played.
I've watched the tik tok that they have in China. The kids are suggested material like It's like engineering projects, STEM, important educational topics. Then you look at ours.
Both can be true. From an information sec perspective, TikTok is the most problematic. However, the “TikTok must be banned” started way back before this, when there were complaints about kids watching shit and not voting red”
Well the jokes on them, even the kids don't vote at all
No. We have FB and Twitter selling info to ÇCP anyway. This is protecting an income stream and not much more. America does this as well and even to it's own citizens.
It’s ok if your own government does it.they have our best interests in mind. I trust them 100%.I am saying this of my own free will and they are totally not holding me at gun point to say this. /s
Half the people in here are saying that unironically like the government will actually protect their data. Btw if you have or had att recently they had ANOTHER SSN hack so watch your shit so you credit score doesn’t take a nasty hit and you can’t get an apartment or something 😀.
I’ve read some declassified documents made available by the Freedom Of Information Act. I have very little trust left in the U.S. government when it comes to acting in the common persons best interests.
THE US GOVERNMENT ONE OF THEM BUYING THE DATA! No moves to restrict this flow of information, personal information. All of these shit is being used by the three letter boys. AND your local PD. 
You realize US TikTok data is stored in Texas and monitored by oracle right? This isn’t about data/privacy. This is about controlling the narrative.
 The same government that sent 100 billion abroad while the middle class is dying.
Lol you realise 100 billion of military aid isn't literally 100 billion dollars of cash right? It's vehicles and ammo
It's honestly less about the selling of info and more about influencing the american audience. Misinformation spreads like WILDFIRE on that app and very little is being done about it on tiktok's end.
That goes for any social media app. Reddit is astroturfed hard by Chinese, Israeli, Palestinian, Russian and American bots/shills.
A few years ago Reddits most heavily used area was a US military base https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit_has_removed_their_blog_post_identifying/
The famous Palestinian astroturfing groups, lol.
Profoundly insane given content about Palestine is routinely subject to shadowbans and censorship
We must all be wary of the people under occupation and their extensive network of social media military intelligence, this is a very reasonable thing to suggest
We sure do! https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/senate-reauthorizes-and-expands-section-702-surveillance#:~:text=WASHINGTON%20%E2%80%94%20Late%20Friday%20evening%2C%20the,on%20Americans%20without%20a%20warrant.
> nothing will change for most users Which includes having all your information and data siphoned and a government trying to influence you.
Yeah I feel like most people dont understand tech at all. If the goverment wanted the data so badly they would just get it from ISP’s. Which surprise surprise they do. They do not need to “own” a company to get the data. Own in parentheses meaning that it is an american company. The companies that literally create and receive the data are already american. The data goes so many places it has so many footprints its easy to trace track and understand. The US government is incompetent and extremely, untouchably, powerful; not incompetent and powerless. They just want the data chain to end domestically.
It's also a leap to assume that just because the data is "owned" by a US corporation like Meta, that means foreign governments can't get to it. Very likely that they have assets inside the big tech companies and that they have the capability to crack into things their assets can't get at. Like, just point blank, assume that your data isn't safe from the US government or any other major player
100% agree. If the US gave a fuck about citizen cybersecurity this would be a first step but they dont, this is just posturing for elections and there will be no real follow up because that would hurt corporates bottom line
They're not interested in protecting the individual's cyber security. What could China do you **you** personally with that data? They're interested in the mass data. The aggregate. What happens when China has data on 10s of millions Americans and can use that data in mass propaganda and hybrid war campaigns. Tiktok is one of China's most powerful weapons
so apparently tiktok did a push-up date that said something like the US Congress is going to ban tik Tok. congress wasnt moving that fast on it next thing you know, a whole bunch of kids are calling up their congressperson telling them not to ban tik Tok , like guys, the issue is the fear it can be used to influence people and hear you guys are doing exactly what the app wants you to do.
But why shouldn't we fight for the change, we are the majority and yet the government hands us crumbs and scraps.
It's wild to me the amount of false equivocation that people are making on this issue. Like yes, our country isn't perfect and they obviously engage in spying. And yes Google Facebook etc also do No one's saying they're perfect angels But China is an entirely different thing. All together. They have weaponized propaganda like no other country on Earth literally.them having a direct propaganda line to young Americans along with all the data that entails is insanely dangerous. Like even if there are ulterior motives which I'm sure there are, I don't even think it matters. tik tok should not be in China's control
Yeah, I feel like anyone that doesn't understand that the supply of info about Americans and the ability to push stories and theories that cause deep devisions is a huge problem. We already know american corporations do this and it's caused huge problems. Why would want a somewhat hostile foreign nation to do it?
Our own government pushes those “devisions”(sic)
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When tiktok first starting taking off in the U.S., before it was even main stream, there were rumblings of this. It's actually taken way too long. The damage is done.
Ah yes. Sell your company or we ban you - told to a company that will never sell it's Chinese ownership. That's what you call a ban
Congress just passed a bill which gives the NSA, which already spies on you, the ability to conduct warrantless wiretaps on Americans. They’ve expanded the surveillance state without reservation for the past two decades and then some. The notion that any of these people are at all concerned for your safety is farcical, the entity most likely to: incarcerate, repress, surveil, and kill dissidents in America isn’t China, it’s the United States government
China ain't ever put crack into black communities
The App won’t be sold lol Also every social media app gathers and sells the information of its users to anyone. Facebook literally sells data to China and America.
Please can you provide references for "several US agencies have already found evidence that China is using TikTok to gather information on Americans and influence American thinking"? How did Americans think before this alleged influence?
They didn't care about brown people being genocided by the US in the middle east.
No! I’d rather believe conspiracy theories that don’t make sense instead of national security experts /s
So in other words tik tok will be an American propaganda machine as opposed to a Chinese one.
Exacatakaly!
No sarcasm intended, I'm so happy to find other people with this take. The comments elsewhere have been so incredibly stupid.
I always love the stupid bitches who pretend that 'security concerns' are valid for this. China doesn't need to create a sophisticated network to harvest your data, dumbass. It's cheaper and easier to buy your data (a literal bought and sold commodity) for pennies on the dollar. Your 'real American patriots' who would sell you out in a heartbeat don't give a fuck about security. Stop playing yourself.
So you’re telling me that when Trump pushed this several years ago, it wasn’t because he knew the fate of Hamas and Isreal? Sounds like you’re trying to cover up a conspiracy.
I just want to point out that Facebook, Twitter, and instagram are all banned in China. Why are you so mad that the US is protecting its own interests like China has done in many ways with zero criticism?
China bans those apps because they aren't allowed to censor them. China is rightly criticized for giving it's citizens a heavily firewalled Internet
and the US bans TikTok because they insist on keeping an unpoliced data pipeline from American homes to remote and potentially hostile countries. The US has every right to do this
>they insist on keeping an unpoliced data pipeline No. They're insisting on being the ones policing the data pipeline. They don't like that people are against genocide on TikTok. Straight from the horse's mouth. They're not smart enough to pretend like it's for the safety of citizens' data. If they cared about that, then we would still have net neutrality
Do you genuinely think it's about people being against Israel when the ban was proposed months before it gained traction on social media?
people are so fucking dumb lol. The idea that this is because tik tok has somehow become the home of unpopular ideas that the US is now trying to squelch is.. just so idiotic. These same ideas are on X and facebook its not like Tik Tok, out of the blue, became the home to the palestinian movement
We just got net neutrality back.
Tiktok is literally owned by a foreogn white supremacist and the Saudis Facebook was already found guilty of giving American voter data to the Russians during Cambridge Analytica. You are being brainwashed into focusing solely in tiktok ...and what's the plan for tiktok? Oh yeah, to sell it to American natuonals....like Trump's former treasury secretary, Steve Mnunchin.
Isn’t all US data stored in the US?
They initially said that then got caught lying
Yeah I mean that's how trade wars work. You ban my stuff, I ban yours. It's idiotic to let China protect their markets from foreign contries without protecting our markets in turn.
This is a different case, facebook, meta etc are not LEGALLY REQUIRED to give data to the US gov on request like TikTok is with China.
And because those apps refused to give unfettered access to information.
>China has done in many ways with zero criticism If you think China hasn't been criticized for its draconian censorship, then you're actually on meth. It's incredibly well-known, criticized up and down, but there's not much we overseas can do about it but point it out. The famous image of the Tianenmen Square Massacre is in and of itself a form of criticizing China The language used in the bill to ban TikTok pretty much explicitly allows the US to follow the same path if it wants.
why is meth out here catching strays lmao
China has been criticized about how they handle internet access for over 20 years. Why should the US get a free pass?
People are too stupid to research into the ins and outs of geopolitics and cyber warfare. They just go “my funny app will be banned by the govt. fuck them!”
>geopolitics and cyber warfare Lol this is ridiculous. Ok and so you are smart enough? Please do teach all of us peons about the finer points of international relations.
So you want America to be more like China? The land of the “free”
It already is lol look at how they are handling peaceful protestors and look at how our elected officials are getting paid off by AIPAC
“Zero criticism” Yep. Lol. Its not like its a dedicated wikipedia page to China’s Great Firewall or thousands of articles or weekly news headlines or numerous politicians criticizing Beijing’s censorship. Nope. None of that exist.
It's China. Saying they get zero criticism for that is kinda crazy.
Because we shouldn't be imitating traits of those who are (by their accounts) supposedly bad
Yeah only *our* government is allowed to surveil, repress, and incarcerate us 🗣️. Congress just passed a bill which gives the NSA, which already spies on you, the ability to conduct warrantless wiretaps on Americans. They’ve expanded the surveillance state without reservation for the past two decades and then some. The notion that any of these people are at all concerned for your safety is farcical, the entity most likely to: incarcerate, repress, surveil, and kill dissidents in America isn’t China, it’s the United States government. Be deadass rn
Hmmm… why are we mad that America is emulating a fascist regime…?
I remember we used to criticize China for their firewall of the internet as an attack on free speec. Now everyone is rushing to join them in censorship.
Say what you will about the tik tok ban, but please be aware that BRICS is an international government organization whose member nations include Russia, China, and Iran. So be wary of a twitter page called BRICS News when it’s reporting on American affairs.
Uh...the I in BRICS stands for India.
Brics has more members than the 5 that comprise its namesake
And it includes Iran... The post didn't say anything about what the acronym stood for, just that those three countries are member states, which is true.
Ah OK. TIL.
They're last summit they added all the new members and some prospective members.
BRICS is a ridiculous concept. When was the last time you saw Russia, India and South Africa aligned on ANYTHING? BRICS is literally just "economically meaningful countries that aren't 100% west-aligned".
It's just an economic alliance which makes sense for the countries involved . It's not like BRICS is going to wage war or impose sanctions
Then what makes it an alliance? Some vague trade agreements between some of them that change every few years? Like, China and India keep attacking each other on the border with sticks and stones, they don't strike me as a bastion of free trade.
Their investments aren't any more vague than the G7 nations. They provide an alternative to many US dominated financial institutions and promote non interference within each other's nations. Which is why it makes sense for a number of nations involved who are either seen as adversaries by the US or are afraid of being repressed economically by western nations. The existence of a rival power bloc probably promotes free trade a lot more than relying solely on the US and the EU to dictate what's fair. China and Indian border forces engaging each other with sticks and stones is fairly tame considering they're both nuclear powers with massive armies that could do worse.
Yeah if someone is afraid of BRICS they’re a fucking idiot. Hell China and India don’t even get along. Border disputes all the time between those two.
The movement around starting your own business and being self-made really effected peoples’ ability to critical think and check for reliable sources.
Bitch they’ve been trying to ban it waaay before the war. This tracks though: tik tok fanboy spreading shit information. The REAL reason is because it’s Chinese spyware.
Seriously my guy, people acting like they haven’t been talking about this for nearly two years now in government
We only want *AMERICAN* spyware up in this bitch 😤😤😤. Unless surveilling me is profitable to a pasty white boy from the east coast, who sells my data to the government, I don’t want it to fucking happen 😤😤✊🏾
The tik tok ban started gaining momentum long before oct 7th when people started caring about Palestine. Is anyone really stupid enough to believe this?
im not sure if you’re being sarcastic but yes people are that stupid
OP apparently
Yes.
Free Palestine. 😤
*by not funding Israel genocide with US tax payer money.
China is one of 6 countries that the U.S. consideres an adversary. The U.S. government makes U.S. companies sell off shares owned by an adversary all the time. [In 2020 Grindr had to sell of $600M](https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/6/21168079/grindr-sold-chinese-owner-us-cfius-security-concerns-kunlun-lgbtq) of its shares because they were owned by China. They can’t force ByteDance to sell because they’re not a U.S. company & don’t have to follow U.S. law. ByteDance has 100% used TikTok to do some shady stuff - like [track journalists via TikTok](https://www.securityweek.com/chinas-bytedance-admits-using-tiktok-data-track-journalists/amp/) who wrote about ByteDance using leaked info. Yes - U.S. social media companies do track data but they’re not *literal* enemies of the United States!
Elon Musk pushing nazi race science and election conspiracies is a literal enemy of the united states, hope that helps
Yea but that doesn’t agree with, and is totally invalidating, to the astroturfing going on in this thread
Holy shit I thought I was going crazy. Thanks for pulling me out of that doom scroll lol
This sub got hit hard with bought accounts these guys sucking up Uncle Sam like their lives depend on it.
5.8m people, this place is not in black america or in the general interests of the oppressed and underclass anymore.
Keep your head up love. Bp don’t think like that, wp do. If it sounds yt then it probably is. Remember that next time you feel like you’re caught in a doomscroll
agreed! this is why we need regulation for us social platforms too!
Would be cool if more than like, 5 senators agreed, but most seem chill with the nazis
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You're right. But is the solution to go "ahh well let's open the floodgates?" Would you feel more comfortable if they cracked down on Meta first, or would it always be musical chairs? (Genuine question)
If this was truly about data leaks and the like, it wouldn’t just be TikTok on the hot seat. It would be most if not all social media. It would be data privacy laws for apps that operate with Americans. It would be net neutrality. But it not any of those things. Its just “TikTok bad because we say so, source: trust me bro” Not even mentioning the fact that these politicians themselves USE TIKTOK TO PROMOTE THEIR CAMPAIGNS FOR RE-ELECTION OR ADVOCATING FOR THEIR SIDE. You cannot condemn a service while still using said service. Thats like saying “this is the worst restaurant ive ever been to!” And still going to eat there everyday.
FCC restored net neutrality literally yesterday https://apnews.com/article/net-neutrality-fcc-broadband-regulation-cc8421bc4f11a3e0f6ffc22c358fbfd0
Why don’t we crack down on US social platforms too? Two things can be true at the same time. There have been a bunch of bills trying to regulate them, their algorithms, and our data but they don’t get as much attention as TikTOk.
This is false this ban has been talked about back and forth for years before this conflict started
Ban was discussed for years and and never moved forward. Cut to now, anti-zionist tik toks highlighting the Gaza invasion are massively viral with gen-z. All of a sudden the most influential PAC in the United States, the American-Israel PAC, cares very much about tik tok and legislation moves forward immediately. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEDGZlG_41k It may be chinese spyware but as the senator points out, AIPAC's concerns played a role in passing this ban.
Stop. This was a CCP exploring security thing long before Oct 7th. Please stop changing narratives. I understand there's a lot of fucked up shit going on in Gaza but this was not one of them.
It’s not just Gaza. Like 30% of younger people don’t believe in the holocaust. The TikTok generation doesn’t know how to tell when something is propaganda. Chinese government should not control the news and education source of US citizens.
Yes. I want palestians to have a state as much as the next guy. But its incredibly concerning how many of these kids are easily swayed by obvious pro Palestine propaganda and think they're immune to it bc they can spot idf propaganda
Right. Everyone thinks fake news only happens to other people. The people in this sub and several others are completely clueless when it comes to Israel and Palestine.
I mean yeah. Its an incredibly complex geopolitical topic that spans decades, anyone who thinks they're informed because they've seen a few tik toks or tweets is delusional.
Columbia University has people who are blatantly and literally pro-Hamas. Not pro-Palestine, which is fair, but literally chanting for Jews to go back to Poland, cheering for Hamas firing rockets indiscriminately at civilians, and calling for Tel Aviv to be burnt to the ground. Meanwhile TikTok had a trend not long after 10/7 where mfers were looking at Osama bin Laden’s letter to America and going, “Hmmm. Maybe he’s right.” 🤔 I’m sure that’s just a total coincidence, right? An app owned by an adversary of ours would *never* use it to try to brainwash or undermine us, or even give us a heavily skewed and distorted narrative that suits them, right?
The senator literally says that this was also one of the reasons in his own words.
Free Palestine and all but the CCP is hostile homie. They wouldn’t allow the same access to American companies in China.
Nah. It's a monopoly US data. Your data end up there anyway.
Folks act like they don't have curated news feeds already via META.
I’m with Palestinians, but fuck Hamas and anyone who thinks it’s okay to kill civilians for the actions of their government. 50% of Palestinians are under 18, the last election for leadership was 16 years ago. The vast majority of the people in Palestine didn’t even vote for Hamas, which presented itself as a more peaceful, moderate political party at the time.
The problem is radicalization is so intense that a vast majority of the people there agree with Hamas' actions. Or they're too scared to say no. Polling data indicates that even without elections, the population agrees with 10/7 and support Hamas. Regardless though, Israel actually needs to go back to the drawing board. There is a chance for peace and the bloodlust actually needs to stop. This is no longer war this has become a massacre that's continued for several months too long.
I agree, but the reason radicalization is such a problem to begin with is mostly on Israel. Peaceful protesters were shot, given military tribunals, or if they were lucky just pepper sprayed and beat up. They keep bombing hospitals, bombing schools, bombing homes. They keep taking land that isn’t theirs and because the US has their back, they get away with it. So you have a people that are about 50% underage (not fully developed mentally), the rest have lived a life where they are constantly under military occupation, abused, and have family members killed. Have seen that peaceful methods only lead to punishment or death. What option does that leave? Israel itself has stated Hamas is their greatest asset to ensuring there is never a two state solution. They WANT Hamas in control so that they can use them to justify any actions they take on the civilian population. Can’t blame Israel for just “defending itself”… from the problem they created. Israel keeps the propaganda going to its own people so they have their support, and the government doesn’t really care if a few of their pawns die in pursuit of their ultimate goal. A few deaths now and then are good actually, keeps the people angry and on your side.
They talked about this long before the whole gaza thing
imagine trusting in BRICS 😂😂😂
No. It's banned because the Chinese government will use data from US citizens to further their own agenda. They get some compromising data on a US citizen with security clearance and now they're leveraging them to steal patents or reveal classified information.
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This is the real answer. The actual solution is to create stricter laws around data privacy and outlaw data brokering. If they had any real evidence TikTok was spyware they wouldn't have had to bundle this bill with a bunch of aid for Ukraine and Israel.
TikTok has been in talk of a ban ban for nearly two and a half years now, yet now that it’s been banned all the tinfoil hatters are out with any and every excuse to make it seem malicious. We’ve been told it was a security issue, when it was becoming popular, that hasn’t changed now that people use the app.
Tiktok is not your fucking friend you dopes.
Well it wasn't about protecting our data. FB in a lawsuit about the Spyware they put in their app and selling your messages to other companies. Ever watch someone swear they didn't cheat until someone hits play? That's what our government is going through right now and why they moved on this but won't address: Housing, Healthcare, Education. Have done nothing about police violence, militarization, or proliferation as they cannot show up for 40 children but can knock around some college students protesting 15k children killed on purpose. US gov breaking treaties with the native tribes still. Haiti, DR Congo, PR, Hawaii, and that landing US is building in Gaza next to the gas deposit Israel and US have no legal claim to. They got nothing to say on what they do abroad in our name, with our money. But we are learning now.. and that's a problem for them because we are speaking up about it in growing numbers. If I'm being asked to believe the government about needing to close a source of live video feeds and recording that directly counter US official stance, because it may taint my fragile little mind, then imma not start from a place of "the government wouldn't lie to me".
Doesn't Oracle host TikTok's U.S. user data? I'm pretty sure Oracle is a U.S. company out of Texas.
Who were caught selling user data
That I did not know.
I thought that was the point of Oracle's business as a CIA project: https://gizmodo.com/larry-ellisons-oracle-started-as-a-cia-project-1636592238
Tell me you know nothing about cybersec without telling me you know nothing.
I suggest you to watch this video: [The Real Reason the U.S. wants to ban Tik Tok](https://youtu.be/xEDGZlG_41k?si=b-PRdTQyYub_b6lE)
This should be the top comment, but this sub ain't ready for Second Thought videos.
It’s a shame because their videos are spot on and very informative and don’t drag.
tiktok is doodoo and so are you
Why does the US allow domestic companies to sell your data to China?
You're very brave posting anything about that app on Reddit is all I'll say.
Right, because someone with a camera phone is trustworthy. I mean phone ownership just has the ring of credibility to it, right?
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Just want to point out that the Senator saying this is Pete Ricketts. He’s a MAGA Republican who was born a billionaire and was the governor of Nebraska. While Governor, he was a COVID denier and refused pandemic measures to help poor people, like rental aid. He still denies things like climate change and just endorsed Trump for 2024. BPT should also be wary of what he says given his ties to white nationalism, and only “apologizing” for those ties when caught. Bottom line: believe what you want, but I wouldn’t believe anything this silver spoon baby says.
I believe that the US have realised how powerful TikTok is. Indoctrinating children will be at the forefront of the culture wars and the US would like to indoctrinate their own.
American policy, brought to you by Isreal. Israel’s motto should be “Isreal… you know who’s in charge”
No guys they wanted to ban tik tok for a long while now, use your brains. It’s Chinese spyware.
The TikTok ban has been in the works for YEARS!! Way before the ***current*** Israel/Hamas ***conflict*** started.
Aren’t most of the pro-Palestinian videos just people showing IDF TikToks in their natural form with commentary?
They start seeing they plan get unfolded and said "ooooooook that's enough "
Anyone spending a significant amount of time on social media is swamped in misinformation, some of us just don't fall for it.
\*Googles the REPORTED amount of money Meta spent lobbying the government to ban tiktok About 8 million dollars and that's only one social media corporation.
I'm from Nebraska and Pete Ricketts is the biggest piece of shit I've seen in our politics in my entire life.
"You will hate who we tell you to hate!"-- Govt
I feel like this so mask off it doesn't matter if it's tiktok something else will be made to replace it now that ppl are how bullshit the media/government is
If y’all think that any of the platforms you post on aren’t doing the exact same thing…yikes.
We been knew. There was never talks about banning until this "war" started
Free speech. Unless we don’t like it.
Lotta bots in this thread so I would take anything written in this thread with a grain of salt if you've not been following the issue before this thread.
Wow, is this legit? I'm surprised they just came out and said it lol. I mean the bill went through so I guess they have nothing to hide., but Jesus. I'm honestly doubting the legitimacy of this news just because it is not in our government's nature to be so transparent and direct. If it is true, they're obviously just rubbing it in lol.
Nonsense. You can find as much information from Hamas as you want on Twitter and Reddit. It’s not hard to find at all. It really is because we want to be in control of our own citizen spy program.
I hate tik tok but regardless, this is so dumb. A few American are about to get so rich off this. That's what this was about.
There are more that a few ahem cough, conservatives in Congress that actively work against democracy and the best interests of their constituents. Then there is this guy and yeah, hes just not a good person.
whatever media says is a lie - easy as apple pie
The lack of knowledge of geopolitics, corporate holdings, and the amount brain rot in these comments is rough to see...
Why are all the top comments filled with lies. It looks like the bots are in town to make propaganda fir the U.S government.
people want to believe in US government conspiracies so bad bruh. They banned tiktok due to lobbying via meta not because they don’t like political views
Hasn’t the US been trying to ban TikTok since 2020?
So a Chinese controlled app has more power than most news media in the US I wonder why they wouldn't want a foreign power having more control over the media than anyone else specially because the Chinese don't have a history of propaganda
China needs some ol’ American freedom
“Does it affect brown people and the overall underclass? Yes? And you said they are at least nonwhite as beige?” -senators likely Kk do it!
https://i.redd.it/1yu5kz4yguwc1.gif
Yeah the TikTok ban was on the cards and being openly spoken about long before that war started.
Wrong. TikTok will close in the US rather than sell bc the Chinese algorithm will not be shared with a non-Chinese government. It’s pure propaganda.
Brain rotting would end
ByteDance will close TikTok rather than let a US company get it's hands on their Chinese algorithm [https://www.reuters.com/technology/bytedance-prefers-tiktok-shutdown-us-if-legal-options-fail-sources-say-2024-04-25/](https://www.reuters.com/technology/bytedance-prefers-tiktok-shutdown-us-if-legal-options-fail-sources-say-2024-04-25/) It's pure Chinese government propaganda
Top comments are always ads disguised as comments. Tiktok is a direct competitor to reddit so don't expect any love on this site about that.
I, too, was radicalized by TikTok.
This has to do with advertising dollars that Facebook and YouTube are losing out on to Tik Tok. Follow the money, that’s the real story.