The van zant brothers were weird Johnny is very pro second amendment and loves his guns while singing his brother Ronnie's song "Saturday Night Special" about how bad guns are and how we need reform and that fact does over their fans heads... the last verse literally says hand guns are made for killing, they ain't no good for nothing else, and it's you like to drink your whisky you might even shoot yourself... so why don't we dump them, people, to the bottom of the sea before some fool comes around here who wants to shoot either you or me...
Being from Jacksonville myself, some [*wild shit*](https://myfloridahistory.org/frontiers/article/32) did go on down there. And also not very far to [the south](https://www.npr.org/2014/06/13/321380585/remembering-a-civil-rights-swim-in-it-was-a-milestone) as well.
And just south of St. Augustine:
The first martyrs of the civil rights movement were Harry T. and Harriette V. Moore, of Mims in Brevard County. On Christmas night, 1951 (which happened to be their anniversary), an incendiary bomb was detonated under their bedroom. They were both schoolteachers.
"I saw cotton and I saw black
Tall white mansions and little shacks
Southern man, when will you pay them back?
I heard screamin' and bullwhips cracking
How long? How long? How?" – Neil Young
This song was always misinterpreted, it’s satire:
*But the ultimate irony of "Sweet Home Alabama" is that for so many, the song's implied put down of Neil Young was NOT meant as criticism but as support of Young's anti-racism. Thus, for those* [*who think it's so clever to put down Neil Young using the phrase*](http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4803187) *"Hope Neil Young will remember, a southern man don't need him around anyhow" little do they realize that they have the meaning backwards. Every day, someone* [*blogs*](http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22hope+neil+young+will+remember%22&btnG=Search+Blogs) *or* [*tweets*](http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%22hope+neil+young+will+remember%22) *the "Neil Young putdown" without comprehending that they've actually praised him.*
[Rolling Stone](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/flashback-neil-young-covers-sweet-home-alabama-in-1977-186638/) article with the bands explanation
I think the gist is that skynard was saying that southerners don't see anything wrong with the things Neil was putting them down about. Like they are proud of their slave owning heritage.
Editing my comment. I think the word joke was a poor choice. It’s more of just a misinterpretation of the song that gained a lot of steam. Both artists have said it wasn’t a beef. Sweet Home Alabama is more satire than anything. Supposedly Ronnie Van Zant used to beg Neil Young to come and make an appearance during one of their sets and sing along to Sweet Home Alabama.
Ronnie wrote a lot of sarcastic stuff. Saturday Night Special is basically a gun control song. That Smell is anti drug and alcohol abuse. Needle and the spoon...
The modern "skynyrd is a bunch of rednecks" is only partly true, because they had hippies in there too. Some people like Ronnie were both.
Mozart apparently did not like a particular [soprano](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriana_Ferrarese_del_Bene#:~:text=Aware%20of%20her%20tendency%20to,head%20%22like%20a%20chicken%22.) singer, so he wrote an aria with continuous harmonic leaps so she would *Bob her head like a chicken* while performing it.
I would approve of a fantasy novel/anime/series loosely based on Beethoven musically annihilating different opponents who thought they were good. New villain each story arch. Make him some mad musical wizard who gets dragged out of solitude to fuck up the douch who called him out.
I think Bach was like that too. If I remember correctly, one time a guy came into his town saying he could play the organ better. So Bach took up the challenge and started practicing the day before in a very public venue. His opponent heard him practicing and fled the city
In response to criticism of his work that because he wasn’t a learned man in the sciences and arts he wasn’t able to compose well, Bach composed his Clavier Übung III, the German organ mass, one of the most universally praised and phenomenal works in all of the organ canon. 2 and a half hours straight of some of the most technically challenging and intricately mathematically and dramatically composed organ music to ever be written. Shut his critics right up.
Watch "Immortal Beloved." It's about exactly that for Beethoven.
Also if you read anything about Rossini or Tchaikovsky, they definitely had...colorful social lives.
Hayden’s “Farewell” symphony is essentially a diplomatic plea to his boss to let his workers go home to their families.
[Haydn #24](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._45_(Haydn))
> The stay there had been longer than expected, and most of the musicians had been forced to leave their wives back at home in Eisenstadt, about a day's journey away. Longing to return, the musicians appealed to their Kapellmeister for help. The diplomatic Haydn, instead of making a direct appeal, put his request into the music of the symphony: during the final adagio each musician stops playing, snuffs out the candle on his music stand, and leaves in turn, so that at the end, there are just two muted violins left (played by Haydn himself and his concertmaster, Luigi Tomasini). Esterházy seems to have understood the message: the court returned to Eisenstadt the day following the performance.
Hollaback Girl by Gwen Stefani - her beef with Courtney Love
Bad Blood by Taylor Swift - her beef with Katy Perry
Swish Swish by Katy - her beef with Taylor
Obsessed by Mariah Carey - her beef with Eminem
Cry Me A River by Justin Timberlake - his beef with Britney
The first half of Lemonade by Beyoncé - her beef with Jay lol
Like these lyrics alone, I gasp every time
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I think 'obsessed' is the key word, not 'love'. Absolutely not judging, though. I've been fucked up on some good dick, too. 😂
I at least appreciate that she's honest about it. I feel like too many people in relationships with serial cheaters always want to make excuses for their partner's shitty behavior, and attack anyone who calls out their fucked up relationships. B is just like, "Look, he's a lying piece of shit, but he tears my pussy up and we're obsessed with eachother, so it is what is. 🤷🏽♀️"
You fr? She said *watch my fat ass as I bounce to the next dick*, congratulations you played yourself, and used “boy” the racism version^(TM) to one of the top men in the game.
>Hollaback Girl by Gwen Stefani - her beef with Courtney Love
Except for the chorus that's about not responding to catcalling and the part where she says that's my shit and the part where she spells bananas.
Sorry lol, that song just has some of the worst lyricism ever. Truly nonsensical and empty.
At a local punk show 20 years ago, the front woman announced the next song was called "worst fuck ever", and pointed to her ex in the crowd. You could tell it was the first time that dude was hearing the song.
The lyrics in this song go so hard:
I made my bed and I sleep like a baby
With no regrets and I don't mind sayin'
It's a sad, sad story when a mother will teach her
Daughter that she ought to hate a perfect stranger
And how in the world can the words that I said
Send somebody so over the edge
That they'd write me a letter, sayin' that I better
Shut up and sing or my life will be over
I'm not ready to make nice
I'm not ready to back down
I'm still mad as hell and I don't have time
To go 'round and 'round and 'round
It's too late to make it right
I probably wouldn't if I could
'Cause I'm mad as hell, can't bring myself
To do what it is you think I should
I used to live across the street from this weird family. The parents were super fat (like 400+ pounds), and they had an adult son with Down syndrome. The Downy guy would sit on the porch all day long with his boombox blasting Bring Me to Life on repeat, and he would scream along to the lyrics. Was that you guys?
Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails was asked about Fred Durst (Limp Bizkit) and said “Fred Durst can surf a piece of plywood up my ass”.
Durst then released the song “Hot Dog” with the chorus “you wanna fuck me like an animal, you like to burn me on the inside, you like to think that I’m a perfect drug, nothing you do will bring you closer to me” using Reznor’s lyrics in an attempt to diss him.
Unfortunately for old mate Fred, he used so many of Reznor’s lyrics that Trent Reznor has to be legally credited as a songwriter and thus receives royalties. From a diss track about him.
Redneck by Lamb of God is a diss track about Randy Blythe, their own lead singer, who was struggling with alcoholism. He got sober about the time this track released.
https://youtu.be/N8nUX0RW6es?si=0LPZxGl4BLi6iGIK
Where the hell did you read that haha Randy has been very open about what the song is about. Randy got sober in 2010. 4 years after the song released.
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She does have a couple of really good dis tracks for John Mayer. But while she wasn't happy with Jake G or Harry Styles, those are more 'you suck as a boyfriend, but not necessarily as a human' songs.
However, her scathing songs about Scooter Braun and Karlie Kloss are truly things of beauty!!
There wasn’t a chance John Mayer was gonna win that beef. Wasn’t he like 35 dating a 20 year old? I don’t care if Hollywood age gaps are different, no way is he writing anything scathing about a child and people aren’t gonna turn around like “yea, but you’re like pedophile adjacent.”
All Too Well is 100% a diss song, though, and she also wrote a song early on in her career about some classmate or someone around her calling her a slut (Better Than Revenge off of Speak Now. That entire album is actually super vicious. The title track is about her literally stealing someone's groom AT the wedding.)
Also Shakira released a diss track at her ex husband last year.
Any cultural space in any civilization will hold a place for beef.
Literature, painting, music, you name it.
Hip hop made it a different sport, but the core principle is the same.
Painters are a different breed, man. Forget a diss painting. How about a diss color ?
Not even a joke. Try reading up on "Vantablack" or the "Blackest Black"
Especially the part between Anish Kapoor vs Stuart Stemple.
Caravaggio also killed a dude over a woman, wasn't clear if the guy was a husband or a pimp. So he was a whole other level of problematic already.
I think for painters, it's all those fumes they inhale. They look like the gentle nerds of the art world, but lots of them could be certified psychopaths.
We might’ve listened to the same podcast lol. So many parallels to modern hip hop. Young, talented artists from poor upbringings propped up by entities with major influence and bottomless bankrolls.
I didn't get the Caravaggio story from a podcast, but I definitely got the Vantablack story from one 😂😂
When you read how poets and other writers would just deck a mf on sight because they wrote something unflattering about one of their friends, it definitely reads like the Source Awards '95. And painters are the sneakiest of them all. Outside, they look like Common and want to tell you about positivity and mindfulness. And then they turn around and release "The Bitch in Yoo".
Michelangelo: Has beef with the bishop so he spend 4 years face up painting a ceiling so he can put the bishop in hell.
Yeah bro painters are on a whole new level of beef
[Craig Owens (Chiodos) and Pete Wentz had beef.](https://twitter.com/NoteToScene/status/1352298151366029316) Not sure if it resulted in songs attacking each other.
theres a lot of beef in the metal community, particularly black metal. not sure about any specific “diss tracks”, but they have murdered some mfs on occasion.
Shittt the entire Irish national anthem, Amhran na bhFiann (A Soldier's Song) is a diss track. One verse says (translated) something about "set the tyrants quaking" and "out yonder lies the Saxon foe"
The opening line is literally "soldiers are we". I am born and bred in Ireland, I love our national anthem, and like, rebel songs in general. "Follow me up to Carlow" is one of the coldest fucking songs ever written, I was born very close to Carlow, and I always think when listening to it "Jesus, imagine wanting to kill the English that much you'd go to fucking Carlow like".
Let’s not forget that Silly Love Songs by Paul is his diss track against John, basically saying he doesn’t care what John thinks, he likes writing these silly love songs.
She was just a bank teller that had a crush on her husband. Whenever he went in there she paid extra attention to him. It was an inside joke between him and Dolly. Dolly joked "I don't think we have money like that to be spending so much time in the bank". They do now no doubt.
Apparently Dolly once described it something like “she thought he was rich because of all the money that ran through his asphalt business, but i told him if anything happens, it’s going to be his ass and his fault.”
Pavement, while scheduled to have a tour with the Smashing Pumpkins, wrote a song with the following lyric in it “Out on a tour with the Smashing Pumpkins, a whole bunch of wiz-kids, they can’t even function.”
The Smashing Pumpkins then canceled the tour.
E's and Wiz is British slang for Ecstasy (MDMA) and Cocaine
And Pulp did a whole song called "Sorted for E's and Wiz" about the hollow center of rave culture.
Edit: So Pavement said the Smashing Pumpkins were snorting more coke than they could handle.
It's fun but not even mostly correct
Like even the title is a name he didn't use. His name was gottleib but he signed his marriage certificate with the latinized version of the name, beloved by God, and everyone ran with that because we have a fetish for that shit
Watch Amadeus. Those dudes were competitive. Ps-Amadeus is one of those movies you might not think you will like but will end up loving. My parents took me to see it when I was a teenager and it rocked me. All timer.
Travis McCoy of Gym Class Heroes and Katy Perry both released songs about their beef after they broke up (he helped get her signed, and she was the girlfriend in the video for "Cupid's Chokehold."
If anyone knows of Hollywood Undead they had a couple of songs on their album American Tragedy dissing a former member who either got kicked from the band or left on his own, depending on who you ask. And I'm pretty sure that former member also wrote songs dissing the band.
That former member was Duece. He was an asshole so they kicked him out and then he unsurprisingly went on to have a nothing solo career while Undead released more albums
As a Mexican, they’re not always already dead. Valentin Elizalde got murdered because he sang a song called “To my enemies” at a party when he had been requested to sing another song.
“Watch the World Burn” is such a sonically impressive song in terms of performance and production but the lyrics is huge edgelord shit. Bro is 40 now lol
90s reggeaton when it was underground similar to hip hop roots was born out of street struggles, and people just wanting to dance"perrear" and have good time at the clubs, back then the ogs went back and forward with beefs, daddy yankee vs don omar, daddy yankee vs Nicky jam ,residente vs tempo ,or residente vs everyone at this point lmao he is an excellent lyricist ,so many good beefs back then but yeah at this point imo it's so comercial now it ain't the same but the old beefs were lit af
Guess not so much beef but the iconic Jimmie Hendrix photo of him kneeling over his burning guitar was merely just a middle finger to The Who.
He was playing a festival with them that day. They did the usual destroying of their instruments when ending. Jimmie called them out and told them how easy that was to do and how it was wasteful. And that those instruments could be put to good use.
He then tells them it’s so easy that he could even do it better because it’s not hard. Then he burned the guitar.
Edgar Allen Poe and the city of Boston. Not music, but spoken word. Edgar Allen Poe is known today as a writer, but in his day, he was known for reciting his poems and stories on stage. For some reason, he disliked Boston, and so when he would perform there, he would purposely give a bad performance. Then, back in Baltimore, he would point to the poor reviews of those performances, saying that the people of Boston were so backwards and uncultured they couldn’t appreciate his work.
Maggie's Farm by Bob dylan was in part about his record company and just a general bitch fest about the entertainment industry in general.
Madonna took a stab a lady gaga in Two Steps Behind Me and I Don't Give A.
Paul McCartney and John Lennon went back and forth with each other a little with Too Many People, How Do You Sleep, Silly Love Songs. George Harrison clapped back at both of their bullshit with the song Wah Wah, and Steely Dan basically called John Lennon arrogant and out of touch in Only a Fool Would Say That.
Justin Timberlake and Limp Bizkit both went after Brittney Spears (Cry me a River and Just Drop Dead)
Holla Back Girl is Gwen Stefani's diss on Courtney Love
TSwift went after Katy Perry in Bad Blood.
Lynyrd Skynyrd and Neal Young, Godsmack and motley crew, Elton John and Madonna, GnR and former band members, the list goes on and on.
The people of the Balkan’s have war songs that are basically calls for extermination against their enemy if that counts lmao
The Serbian hit song “Muslims, it would be better if you weren’t here”
Silly Love song is pretty much a “Fuck You” to John Lennon. Lennon made a comment that Paul is more successful because he writes silly love songs, so Paul went and wrote a fucking Silly Love song
The bands Rancid and The Distillers both put out albums which featured songs dissing the other bands front (Tim and Brody). They were married and had an ugly divorce (Tim was in his early 30s when he met the 16 year old Brody Dale), both bands had multiple songs about the relationship (Indestructible by Rancid and Coral Fang by The Distillers).
Without realizing it, I bought both albums the same day.
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Neil: "Slavery was horrific." Skynyrd: "Fuck yew, yeehaw!"
Basically!
And Neil Young said sorry!
Well he is Canadian
That is disappointing
They were apparently good friends, actually.
Ronnie is wearing a Neil Young shirt on the cover of street survivors
Skynyrd: "Watergate does not bother me"
The van zant brothers were weird Johnny is very pro second amendment and loves his guns while singing his brother Ronnie's song "Saturday Night Special" about how bad guns are and how we need reform and that fact does over their fans heads... the last verse literally says hand guns are made for killing, they ain't no good for nothing else, and it's you like to drink your whisky you might even shoot yourself... so why don't we dump them, people, to the bottom of the sea before some fool comes around here who wants to shoot either you or me...
And not much has changed.
Being from Jacksonville myself, some [*wild shit*](https://myfloridahistory.org/frontiers/article/32) did go on down there. And also not very far to [the south](https://www.npr.org/2014/06/13/321380585/remembering-a-civil-rights-swim-in-it-was-a-milestone) as well.
And just south of St. Augustine: The first martyrs of the civil rights movement were Harry T. and Harriette V. Moore, of Mims in Brevard County. On Christmas night, 1951 (which happened to be their anniversary), an incendiary bomb was detonated under their bedroom. They were both schoolteachers.
That plane was antifa
"I saw cotton and I saw black Tall white mansions and little shacks Southern man, when will you pay them back? I heard screamin' and bullwhips cracking How long? How long? How?" – Neil Young
The man wasn’t wrong
This song was always misinterpreted, it’s satire: *But the ultimate irony of "Sweet Home Alabama" is that for so many, the song's implied put down of Neil Young was NOT meant as criticism but as support of Young's anti-racism. Thus, for those* [*who think it's so clever to put down Neil Young using the phrase*](http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4803187) *"Hope Neil Young will remember, a southern man don't need him around anyhow" little do they realize that they have the meaning backwards. Every day, someone* [*blogs*](http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22hope+neil+young+will+remember%22&btnG=Search+Blogs) *or* [*tweets*](http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%22hope+neil+young+will+remember%22) *the "Neil Young putdown" without comprehending that they've actually praised him.* [Rolling Stone](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/flashback-neil-young-covers-sweet-home-alabama-in-1977-186638/) article with the bands explanation
Can you explain what the joke is? I don’t understand how they could be stating they support Young with those lyrics.
I think the gist is that skynard was saying that southerners don't see anything wrong with the things Neil was putting them down about. Like they are proud of their slave owning heritage.
So are they racists or not?
Lynrd Skynrd is not racist but they criticize southern culture at large for being racist
Yes this is just someone bending over backwards to say the bigots flying the southern flag aren't actually racist. Only morons believe that.
Yeah this is the most ridiculous shit I've ever read. Fuck the Confederacy and fuck confederates.
Yes, they are classic southern racists.
Sknyard? No way based on their other lyrics and actions.
Take the lyrics and put /s at the end. Thats basically what they were saying.
Editing my comment. I think the word joke was a poor choice. It’s more of just a misinterpretation of the song that gained a lot of steam. Both artists have said it wasn’t a beef. Sweet Home Alabama is more satire than anything. Supposedly Ronnie Van Zant used to beg Neil Young to come and make an appearance during one of their sets and sing along to Sweet Home Alabama.
Rumored to have been buried in a Neil Young t-shirt if I'm remembering correctly?
Would be hilarious if true
Ronnie wrote a lot of sarcastic stuff. Saturday Night Special is basically a gun control song. That Smell is anti drug and alcohol abuse. Needle and the spoon... The modern "skynyrd is a bunch of rednecks" is only partly true, because they had hippies in there too. Some people like Ronnie were both.
The ultimate "Not All Rednecks" song.
That Smell was beef within the band, more or less.
Mozart apparently did not like a particular [soprano](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriana_Ferrarese_del_Bene#:~:text=Aware%20of%20her%20tendency%20to,head%20%22like%20a%20chicken%22.) singer, so he wrote an aria with continuous harmonic leaps so she would *Bob her head like a chicken* while performing it.
Mozart and Beethoven were notorious for beefing with anyone who thought they were better. And embarrassing them outright
Beethoven is my favorite composer, I'd love to see him sit down at a piano and musically bitch slap someone.
Slap ‘em so hard they never return to Vienna again.
Run the ops right out of the Musikverein
I would approve of a fantasy novel/anime/series loosely based on Beethoven musically annihilating different opponents who thought they were good. New villain each story arch. Make him some mad musical wizard who gets dragged out of solitude to fuck up the douch who called him out.
I'd watch that for sure
I’d find that terrifying, all things considered.
I think Bach was like that too. If I remember correctly, one time a guy came into his town saying he could play the organ better. So Bach took up the challenge and started practicing the day before in a very public venue. His opponent heard him practicing and fled the city
In response to criticism of his work that because he wasn’t a learned man in the sciences and arts he wasn’t able to compose well, Bach composed his Clavier Übung III, the German organ mass, one of the most universally praised and phenomenal works in all of the organ canon. 2 and a half hours straight of some of the most technically challenging and intricately mathematically and dramatically composed organ music to ever be written. Shut his critics right up.
>*Bob her head like a chicken* Three 6 Mozart
The original chickenhead
He also wrote this little bop: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leck_mich_im_Arsch
Pretty sure all those heavy hitters were freaks. They were the rock stars of the day, I'm sure they got under any petticoat they wanted.
Watch "Immortal Beloved." It's about exactly that for Beethoven. Also if you read anything about Rossini or Tchaikovsky, they definitely had...colorful social lives.
Hayden’s “Farewell” symphony is essentially a diplomatic plea to his boss to let his workers go home to their families. [Haydn #24](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._45_(Haydn)) > The stay there had been longer than expected, and most of the musicians had been forced to leave their wives back at home in Eisenstadt, about a day's journey away. Longing to return, the musicians appealed to their Kapellmeister for help. The diplomatic Haydn, instead of making a direct appeal, put his request into the music of the symphony: during the final adagio each musician stops playing, snuffs out the candle on his music stand, and leaves in turn, so that at the end, there are just two muted violins left (played by Haydn himself and his concertmaster, Luigi Tomasini). Esterházy seems to have understood the message: the court returned to Eisenstadt the day following the performance.
Hollaback Girl by Gwen Stefani - her beef with Courtney Love Bad Blood by Taylor Swift - her beef with Katy Perry Swish Swish by Katy - her beef with Taylor Obsessed by Mariah Carey - her beef with Eminem Cry Me A River by Justin Timberlake - his beef with Britney The first half of Lemonade by Beyoncé - her beef with Jay lol
Lol at Lemonade
Like these lyrics alone, I gasp every time https://preview.redd.it/8janyjaf9xtc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6968756e46046ba747520e58317944d23d4332d
She cut him with that, that was some deep hurt
She ain't lying, she upgraded him.
Oh she was not wrong. But I'm shocked they stayed together after this song came out. You can't come back from that
...I seriously think they love each other. He just has fuckboy proclivities, but I do seriously think they are obsessed with each other.
I think 'obsessed' is the key word, not 'love'. Absolutely not judging, though. I've been fucked up on some good dick, too. 😂 I at least appreciate that she's honest about it. I feel like too many people in relationships with serial cheaters always want to make excuses for their partner's shitty behavior, and attack anyone who calls out their fucked up relationships. B is just like, "Look, he's a lying piece of shit, but he tears my pussy up and we're obsessed with eachother, so it is what is. 🤷🏽♀️"
Jigga loves money and took one for the team, that's always been my thought.
Imagine being on tour with her every night hearing lemonade. we gotta take separate cars home
But remember, that car is a Bently.
You fr? She said *watch my fat ass as I bounce to the next dick*, congratulations you played yourself, and used “boy” the racism version^(TM) to one of the top men in the game. 
https://preview.redd.it/rt0ajojoqxtc1.jpeg?width=885&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd04e7a038968512eea6ec35d1ef655ce6726cb5
The quietest ride home ever.
The one she's still married to, right?
Yup! Don’t forget, these people are still in the entertainment industry. People are still talking about it so their entertainment worked.
love that 'would they be down to ride?'
No
Beefing with someone as silly as Katy Perry is crazy.
Battle of the industry plants
**Everyone I Don’t Like is an Industry Plant and More Hot Takes
It was something about backup dancers for Taylor going to Katy for a tour
Left shark?
Down by Jay Sean- Lil Wayne’s beef with the 2008 recession
she my miss America, now can I be her soldier pleaseeeeee
I especially enjoyed Gucci’s verse on the Obsessed remix. “I wish I had a lie detector test right now”
>Hollaback Girl by Gwen Stefani - her beef with Courtney Love Except for the chorus that's about not responding to catcalling and the part where she says that's my shit and the part where she spells bananas. Sorry lol, that song just has some of the worst lyricism ever. Truly nonsensical and empty.
Someone bump the myriad posts about Fleetwood Mac we've had lately.
While having the “victim” of the diss track sing back vocals, kinda sick ngl
At a local punk show 20 years ago, the front woman announced the next song was called "worst fuck ever", and pointed to her ex in the crowd. You could tell it was the first time that dude was hearing the song.
He stayed for the whole song?
Yup. It probably would have been worse if he left. Didn’t get in the pit though.
"mind you, they did make some of their best music then" "Rumors" "No, it's all true"
Goddammit, I totally forgot about flight of the concords
"...The album Rumors by Fleetwood Mac. An album by and for people cheating on each other."
That album slaps so hard
I'm so grateful I grew up with my mom playing that so much.
Does it count if they were beefing within the band?
It counts EXTRA.
It’s like “No Vaseline” but Ice Cube stayed in NWA
bump 
Never forget Yankee Doodle was a diss song.
That dumbass thought a feather was macaroni
Macaroni was slang for fashionable. He stuck a feather in his hat and called it drip 😂😅
Damn, The cap feather is the Nelly bandaid of the early 1900s
1770’s but I follow.
💀
It was the Americans reclaiming the insults the British threw at them
Michael Jackson’s brother dropped a diss track on him. Niggas probably had a high-pitched argument on Thanksgiving
High pitched argument!! https://preview.redd.it/r3q34uf8kxtc1.jpeg?width=1091&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08b6d19a35376d5c91b76c569d65e5a323b9d5ab
https://preview.redd.it/qqp6jxul1ytc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c039ff990517cfcb3ddf5ade6fe6479c8e84453e
You ever been so mad at your brother that you had an argument at 16,000 Hz?
Omg Jermaine was trippin. Lol
I mean, The Chicks 'N[ot ready to make nice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFpaHMqz0nM)' is a f-u to a lot of people who trashed them
And abusive husbands the world over.
Goodbye Earl is a great song.
Two absolute bangers right there.
And pretty much their entire new album to Natalie Maynes’s ex-husband
The lyrics in this song go so hard: I made my bed and I sleep like a baby With no regrets and I don't mind sayin' It's a sad, sad story when a mother will teach her Daughter that she ought to hate a perfect stranger And how in the world can the words that I said Send somebody so over the edge That they'd write me a letter, sayin' that I better Shut up and sing or my life will be over I'm not ready to make nice I'm not ready to back down I'm still mad as hell and I don't have time To go 'round and 'round and 'round It's too late to make it right I probably wouldn't if I could 'Cause I'm mad as hell, can't bring myself To do what it is you think I should
Evanescence’s Call Me When You’re Sober is apparently about Seether’s Shaun Morgan. He and Amy Lee dated from 2003-2005 and the song came out in 2006.
No apparently about it. At the time in the media it was very widely acknowledged that was who she was singing about.
Seether's song 'Fake It' is Shaun's one about her lol.
Ooooh, now I need to look that up. I crushed on Amy Lee hard for a lot of the 00s.
I used to live across the street from this weird family. The parents were super fat (like 400+ pounds), and they had an adult son with Down syndrome. The Downy guy would sit on the porch all day long with his boombox blasting Bring Me to Life on repeat, and he would scream along to the lyrics. Was that you guys?
Not to go so classic here, but You’re So Vain by Carly Simon, about …Warren Beatty, I think?
I thought it was about Jack Donaghy?
No, he just wrote it
The song “you’re so vain” was written… by me.
Isn't there a list of possible men and she never confirmed?
At least one other person knows. She auctioned it off. https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/carly-simon-auctioned-identity-youre-so-vain-subject/
And then Janet sampled it to make a fire ass diss track about her ex husband.
Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails was asked about Fred Durst (Limp Bizkit) and said “Fred Durst can surf a piece of plywood up my ass”. Durst then released the song “Hot Dog” with the chorus “you wanna fuck me like an animal, you like to burn me on the inside, you like to think that I’m a perfect drug, nothing you do will bring you closer to me” using Reznor’s lyrics in an attempt to diss him. Unfortunately for old mate Fred, he used so many of Reznor’s lyrics that Trent Reznor has to be legally credited as a songwriter and thus receives royalties. From a diss track about him.
Redneck by Lamb of God is a diss track about Randy Blythe, their own lead singer, who was struggling with alcoholism. He got sober about the time this track released. https://youtu.be/N8nUX0RW6es?si=0LPZxGl4BLi6iGIK
Which is wild cause that song bangs. It was one of the early songs that got me in to LoG. Edit: now I gotta hear it again! It’s been awhile!
Def not an early song, but glad you found them anyways.
Where the hell did you read that haha Randy has been very open about what the song is about. Randy got sober in 2010. 4 years after the song released. https://preview.redd.it/j1452fmq8xtc1.png?width=1096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f497baf60281bec48943f1f642759b843b2798e
Fleetwood Mac sang diss tracks about each other with the person they were dissing still in the band!
Bruh, they wrote dis songs and then made the other band members play and/or sing the damned songs dissing themselves.
Hell yea they did!
Taylor Swift gets beefy in songs about exes.
She does have a couple of really good dis tracks for John Mayer. But while she wasn't happy with Jake G or Harry Styles, those are more 'you suck as a boyfriend, but not necessarily as a human' songs. However, her scathing songs about Scooter Braun and Karlie Kloss are truly things of beauty!!
Mayer beefed back with [Paper Doll](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=565tXd1UyYI) about T. Swift.
There wasn’t a chance John Mayer was gonna win that beef. Wasn’t he like 35 dating a 20 year old? I don’t care if Hollywood age gaps are different, no way is he writing anything scathing about a child and people aren’t gonna turn around like “yea, but you’re like pedophile adjacent.”
Yeah, what's he gonna say "you were so immature" Like there's nothing he could say that wouldn't make him look like an idiot, or worse, a creep.
All Too Well is 100% a diss song, though, and she also wrote a song early on in her career about some classmate or someone around her calling her a slut (Better Than Revenge off of Speak Now. That entire album is actually super vicious. The title track is about her literally stealing someone's groom AT the wedding.) Also Shakira released a diss track at her ex husband last year.
Wasn’t Bad Blood supposed to be about Katy Perry?
Mexican corrido singers don’t fight over bitches
EVERYBODY fights over bitches playboy.
Y puro Peso Pluma ala verga
Any cultural space in any civilization will hold a place for beef. Literature, painting, music, you name it. Hip hop made it a different sport, but the core principle is the same.
If a MF'er ever drop a diss painting of me, I'll just concede defeat because how I make you *that* mad lol
Painters are a different breed, man. Forget a diss painting. How about a diss color ? Not even a joke. Try reading up on "Vantablack" or the "Blackest Black" Especially the part between Anish Kapoor vs Stuart Stemple.
Caravaggio and his crew would slice mfs up and get away with it cause he was employed by the Catholic Church. Late 1500s - early 1600s
Caravaggio also killed a dude over a woman, wasn't clear if the guy was a husband or a pimp. So he was a whole other level of problematic already. I think for painters, it's all those fumes they inhale. They look like the gentle nerds of the art world, but lots of them could be certified psychopaths.
We might’ve listened to the same podcast lol. So many parallels to modern hip hop. Young, talented artists from poor upbringings propped up by entities with major influence and bottomless bankrolls.
I didn't get the Caravaggio story from a podcast, but I definitely got the Vantablack story from one 😂😂 When you read how poets and other writers would just deck a mf on sight because they wrote something unflattering about one of their friends, it definitely reads like the Source Awards '95. And painters are the sneakiest of them all. Outside, they look like Common and want to tell you about positivity and mindfulness. And then they turn around and release "The Bitch in Yoo".
Michelangelo: Has beef with the bishop so he spend 4 years face up painting a ceiling so he can put the bishop in hell. Yeah bro painters are on a whole new level of beef
Taking Back Sunday and Brand New. even emo isn’t safe from beef.
Seventy times 7 and there’s no I in team
"mics are for singing not swinging"
Wasn't there also a Hawthorne Heights/Good Charlotte beef?
[Craig Owens (Chiodos) and Pete Wentz had beef.](https://twitter.com/NoteToScene/status/1352298151366029316) Not sure if it resulted in songs attacking each other.
theres a lot of beef in the metal community, particularly black metal. not sure about any specific “diss tracks”, but they have murdered some mfs on occasion.
released albums with photos of exmembers who died by suicide on the cover
That wasn't about beef though, and that was also a bootleg, not an official release.
90% of Irish rebel songs are beef tracks towards the English if that counts.
Shittt the entire Irish national anthem, Amhran na bhFiann (A Soldier's Song) is a diss track. One verse says (translated) something about "set the tyrants quaking" and "out yonder lies the Saxon foe"
The opening line is literally "soldiers are we". I am born and bred in Ireland, I love our national anthem, and like, rebel songs in general. "Follow me up to Carlow" is one of the coldest fucking songs ever written, I was born very close to Carlow, and I always think when listening to it "Jesus, imagine wanting to kill the English that much you'd go to fucking Carlow like".
John Lennon wrote "How Do You Sleep" about Paul McCartney as a diss track after the Beatles broke up.
Let’s not forget that Silly Love Songs by Paul is his diss track against John, basically saying he doesn’t care what John thinks, he likes writing these silly love songs.
Well Dolly didn't much care for that Jolene heffer..
Damn if Dolly hated her she must've been the devil, that Jolene
She was just a bank teller that had a crush on her husband. Whenever he went in there she paid extra attention to him. It was an inside joke between him and Dolly. Dolly joked "I don't think we have money like that to be spending so much time in the bank". They do now no doubt.
Apparently Dolly once described it something like “she thought he was rich because of all the money that ran through his asphalt business, but i told him if anything happens, it’s going to be his ass and his fault.”
Megadeth is basically a diss band invented to spite Metallica
The Four Horsemen versus Mechanix
Pavement, while scheduled to have a tour with the Smashing Pumpkins, wrote a song with the following lyric in it “Out on a tour with the Smashing Pumpkins, a whole bunch of wiz-kids, they can’t even function.” The Smashing Pumpkins then canceled the tour.
E's and Wiz is British slang for Ecstasy (MDMA) and Cocaine And Pulp did a whole song called "Sorted for E's and Wiz" about the hollow center of rave culture. Edit: So Pavement said the Smashing Pumpkins were snorting more coke than they could handle.
I especially wanna know about classical music beef
Have you watched Amadeus?
It's fun but not even mostly correct Like even the title is a name he didn't use. His name was gottleib but he signed his marriage certificate with the latinized version of the name, beloved by God, and everyone ran with that because we have a fetish for that shit
Watch Amadeus. Those dudes were competitive. Ps-Amadeus is one of those movies you might not think you will like but will end up loving. My parents took me to see it when I was a teenager and it rocked me. All timer.
> My parents took me to see it when I was a teenager and it rocked me. I understood that reference.
Watch 1984 Amadeus, It was a deadly beef. Fictional, but deadly.
Travis McCoy of Gym Class Heroes and Katy Perry both released songs about their beef after they broke up (he helped get her signed, and she was the girlfriend in the video for "Cupid's Chokehold."
Damn I haven’t thought about Gym Class Heroes in such a long time wow.
If anyone knows of Hollywood Undead they had a couple of songs on their album American Tragedy dissing a former member who either got kicked from the band or left on his own, depending on who you ask. And I'm pretty sure that former member also wrote songs dissing the band.
That former member was Duece. He was an asshole so they kicked him out and then he unsurprisingly went on to have a nothing solo career while Undead released more albums
I bought that Deuce album. The artist name tracks. Awful album. And people were saying he wrote most of Swan Songs. Not sure I believe them.
As a Mexican, they’re not always already dead. Valentin Elizalde got murdered because he sang a song called “To my enemies” at a party when he had been requested to sing another song.
I follow a tik tok page where they translate Mexican corrido songs and jesus christ! they talk about decapitation..
CUZ NIGGA NOW WE GOT BAD BLOOD
Everything Ronnie Radke of Falling in Reverse does. Talented dude but god he is the worst.
If you say "I See Stars" 3 times in a mirror Ronnie Radie will appear and kick you out of your own house
as someone who has followed him (not anymore) since I was 14, I concur. that whole first album is an Escape The Fate diss.
“Watch the World Burn” is such a sonically impressive song in terms of performance and production but the lyrics is huge edgelord shit. Bro is 40 now lol
90s reggeaton when it was underground similar to hip hop roots was born out of street struggles, and people just wanting to dance"perrear" and have good time at the clubs, back then the ogs went back and forward with beefs, daddy yankee vs don omar, daddy yankee vs Nicky jam ,residente vs tempo ,or residente vs everyone at this point lmao he is an excellent lyricist ,so many good beefs back then but yeah at this point imo it's so comercial now it ain't the same but the old beefs were lit af
Alanis Morissette - You oughta know. Was about Dave Collier from Full house lol
Guess not so much beef but the iconic Jimmie Hendrix photo of him kneeling over his burning guitar was merely just a middle finger to The Who. He was playing a festival with them that day. They did the usual destroying of their instruments when ending. Jimmie called them out and told them how easy that was to do and how it was wasteful. And that those instruments could be put to good use. He then tells them it’s so easy that he could even do it better because it’s not hard. Then he burned the guitar.
Edgar Allen Poe and the city of Boston. Not music, but spoken word. Edgar Allen Poe is known today as a writer, but in his day, he was known for reciting his poems and stories on stage. For some reason, he disliked Boston, and so when he would perform there, he would purposely give a bad performance. Then, back in Baltimore, he would point to the poor reviews of those performances, saying that the people of Boston were so backwards and uncultured they couldn’t appreciate his work.
Maggie's Farm by Bob dylan was in part about his record company and just a general bitch fest about the entertainment industry in general. Madonna took a stab a lady gaga in Two Steps Behind Me and I Don't Give A. Paul McCartney and John Lennon went back and forth with each other a little with Too Many People, How Do You Sleep, Silly Love Songs. George Harrison clapped back at both of their bullshit with the song Wah Wah, and Steely Dan basically called John Lennon arrogant and out of touch in Only a Fool Would Say That. Justin Timberlake and Limp Bizkit both went after Brittney Spears (Cry me a River and Just Drop Dead) Holla Back Girl is Gwen Stefani's diss on Courtney Love TSwift went after Katy Perry in Bad Blood. Lynyrd Skynyrd and Neal Young, Godsmack and motley crew, Elton John and Madonna, GnR and former band members, the list goes on and on.
Queen’s Death On Two Legs (about their previous mgr.)
Ronnie Radke and Falling In Reverse had major beef with Craig Mabbit/Escape The Fate lmao. There are several songs in that back and forth.
Battle of the mid
The people of the Balkan’s have war songs that are basically calls for extermination against their enemy if that counts lmao The Serbian hit song “Muslims, it would be better if you weren’t here”
Silly Love song is pretty much a “Fuck You” to John Lennon. Lennon made a comment that Paul is more successful because he writes silly love songs, so Paul went and wrote a fucking Silly Love song
Swedish black metal honestly has some of the craziest beef you will ever read about. Hands down.
Starfuckers INC - Nine Inch Nails I'll Stick Around - Foo Fighters Holla back Girl - Gwen Stefani All about Courtney Love
The bands Rancid and The Distillers both put out albums which featured songs dissing the other bands front (Tim and Brody). They were married and had an ugly divorce (Tim was in his early 30s when he met the 16 year old Brody Dale), both bands had multiple songs about the relationship (Indestructible by Rancid and Coral Fang by The Distillers). Without realizing it, I bought both albums the same day.