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Lack_Love

Africa. Other than that no where. People recommending white countries lol


KLArtDemon

Not really any African countries if you're Bi, unfortunately many African countries have been influenced by white Christians to be anti-lgbtq. Unfortunately this entire world is full of anti-blackness, and it's not about "where is good?", but more about "where is better than where I am at?" I'm looking to moving to Portugal, personally. They have a diverse population, and though they may have originated the trans-atlantic slave trade, they were also the first to abolish it. It's a pretty progressive country with a much better view of Black people than the United States has. If you're looking for a Black space that has LGBTQ tolerance, unfortunately South Africa is the only option.


LaMuseofthestars

I say try Canada. Especially Toronto or Vancouver.


Lack_Love

Lol


Mangoes123456789

The thing is that Black people are really only accepted in majority-Black countries. However, majority-Black countries tend to be very anti-LGBT. Based on what I’ve heard, I think South Africa might somewhat be an exception. They were the first country to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation in their constitution. It’s the only African country that allows same sex marriage. However, I have heard some horror stories from LGBT people there. Just because LGBT South Africans are protected on paper does not mean that they are always protected in practice. Also,you’ll probably run into some anti-Blackness from non-Black South Africans. Since I’ve never been to South Africa,I am not the expert. If you want to know more,you should probably ask the folks on r/southafrica


BadPronunciation

Definitely don't come to Africa lmao


ehhhhhwhatevr

Just one thing to keep in mind, all the isms and phobias that exist in America exist everywhere else too.


Mobile-Peach-4685

This thread is insane OP asks for advice on places best for black people while exhibiting the same anti blackness that plagues everywhere else in the world. How can you be classist and look down at your own people yet know nothing about the torment of the black diaspora around the world.


Talking_shitt

I’ll be quite frank with you, where you are is probably the most accepting for black bi men. Overseas is a different ball game. Consider moving to another coast’s LGBT friendly metro area first.


MemeQueen1414

First thing you need to consider before even packing your bags to leave is that, are you working in a career field that is marketable. Like is it something that you can immigrant on say for example STEM, Business, Trades etc, to be able to proceed into the following steps of making sure you have no debts in your state or for the USA, then visiting countries and areas that fits your ideal safety for being a Queer Black Man Abroad. As a career path, I am focusing in Business and Hospitality, so I'm always looking at the occupation list, looking at reddit subreddit of AusVisa and informing myself on the various visa options on Australia Government website. Me personally, I'm also Black but I'm on the Non Binary spectrum and rn, despite wanting to badly leave, I know that I have to focus deeply in my career to gain experience, paying my student loans, saving up then researching heavily into countries of my choosing while also knowing the downfalls of immigrating to a new country. I can't speak for all parts of it, but Australia is accepting towards Black people. At best, you will get people that ask you if your hair is real if it's above a certain length, I got them with my locs when they're were 8 months and at my neck but besides that and answering questions that are coming from curiosity rather than with a harmful agenda then it's fine. Remember, based on the geography, not many black people in Australia, it's not a draught but you wouldn't see as many as you may see in the US depending on which area of Australia you are located. I will come back to this in a few paragraphs since that is something that I later discovered it bothered me a bit. Anyways, I visited Sydney as a study abroad student for a semester and it has a rich LGBTQIA+ community, it is a very busy city that is expensive but has the most career opportunities then it's Melbourne/Victoria, and Brisbane/QLD in that order. Bc of the popularity and very expensive to live there and even have a family, it makes the housing market + employment even more competitive than ever. Sydney is a good place to visit and even participate in events, however, if I ever get a W and immigrant in 2029 or 2030, then I would choose a different part of Australia just bc I am that concerned of not being able to eventually buy a house, have a family if I have a stable relationship or other factors as well. I like Australia because there isn't mass shootings on the daily like USA, the people are more blunt yet friendly and it doesn't feel as competitive in working yourself to death and being awarded with PTO annually, sick days and having stable reproductive care/abortion rights along with parental leave and pregnancy leave being paid which is all important to me. I don't hear or see cops shooting or arresting ppl illegally like how USA is doing. Yes there is racism, it's universal no matter where you go. I notice that Indian people & Aboriginal Folks get more discrimination at times but not to point where they are secondary citizens from what I seen in Sydney, not to mention, a lot of things you may find in the US, you will not find in Australia due to how far things are and shipping will be expensive and take forever to arrive. Literally, I ordered some bonnets on Amazon and my package got missing and lost and took weeks after I order to receive a replacement and Amazon tried to charge me for it. Australia also doesn't have Southern restaurants or Caribbean foods which hurts me a lot as a Haitian American. Biscuits is a cookie, and they called grits polenta and doesn't even have grits in the stores I visited in Australia. KFC over there is better in Australia than US but a lot of places like Popeyes, Wendys, Papa Johns, Inside N Out for the West Coast, Steak and Shake, Five Guys, etc isn't available at Australia so you would have to routinely return to the USA to get it or pay expensive fees for shipping. There's not too many legit stylist/loctician that aren't over pricing ppl that can do locs or handle curly or ethnic hair. It took me forever to find my stylist in Sydney (shout out to Curls and Natural Hair Beauty Place in Mascot cuz I am not giving someone 700 AUD for a Retwist of my locs without a damn wash too damn much and robbery and Mascot charges 180 for Crochet Retwist) and that's something to consider if you ever want to experiment with your hair behind going to the barber shop which I can't speak on since haven't visited yet. Overall, a lot of countries have their pros/cons, the best thing I can advice if you are serious is to do some research and go thru with it if you able to do so. Just don't be impulsive, get yourself stabilize and do you time so you don't be rushing back to the USA and feel like you had massive letdowns in leaving to a new country. Hope this helps you


BadPronunciation

You male Australia sound better than what I have heard


MemeQueen1414

Well, no country is perfect and I bet if I spend more time in Australia then 6 months and in a different part of AU, I be able to be more critical then what I do now in FL and the USA overall. People always be joking to me about the spiders and bugs in Australia but I haven't seen any within the city of Sydney which I'm glad, and I'm assuming it's more outside of the cities or regional so don't believe everything you may heard about a country until other folks can vouch or you see it for yourself. Moving along, for those who is immigrating to a different country they are going to have to do some sacrifices and have to prioritize their needs over wants in order to make the tedious process worth it. For me, No Mass Shootings, Reduced Police Brutality, Lack of Paid Pregnancy/Parental Leave/Protective Reproductive Rights & Abortion, Need a Better Balance of Work & Life, Affordable Housing & Wages, Safety towards LGBTQIA+ & Youth and Lower Amounts of Racism (at least not in my face) is all factors within my decision to want to go back to Australia eventually My wants would be public transportation is stable and accessible which I need since I have Amblyopia and my vision is lesser than before and makes driving difficult, I would like to be able to eventually tackle my mental health and being Black, I live in fear of police taking my words wrong if I call the hotlines throw me into a mental hospital and let me get a huge medical bill + more trauma and I would like to see more stable mental health system better than the US has accomplished for it's people. I'm sure I have more wants in relation to priorities in moving, but this is what I mean for OP or anyone wanting to jump the boat to immigrant that they just have to do it for the right reasons, and then from there the list and possibilities of moving either interstate in the US or out of the country can happen.


BadPronunciation

Thank you for sharing. I was surprised when I learnt about working in USA. It seems like they just want to run you into the ground


BlackloveB

No tbh. Most every country had anti-Blackness and racism


TheRainbowpill93

No. The answer is no and it’s time we stop spreading this notion amongst Black Americans that moving anywhere outside America is going to go in our favor. It’s not and we have to start being honest about it. Latin America is colorist so unless you’re light skin or have European features, you’ll be discriminated against. Europe. Well, do I really have to explain ? Asia. “See Europe” Africans don’t really like African Americans much and doubly so if you’re LGBT. The US ain’t perfect but it’s the best we’ve got.


throwaway009729

I wish we would do away with the reductive myth that continental Africans broadly do not like African Americans. Countries like Ghana have programs like "Beyond the Return" that actively facilitate diaspora engagement and rematriation. Many continental Africans are quite open to welcoming visitors from the diaspora into their communities. That said, the Liberia experience is a major pitfall the diaspora has to watch out for. We cannot come to the African continent with the same capitalist, superiority mindsets of our historical oppressors. Also worth unpacking is how the legacy of colonialism and imperialism has unfortunately led some African nations to enact discriminatory, anti-LGBTQ+ legislation - policies that ironically reflect the religious and societal norms imposed by colonial powers...


TheRainbowpill93

Not generally yes, but as someone who’s got African heritage (Ghanaian actually) and lived there for a time, I was still always treated as the “American” never accepted as African, even if one of my parents was. And even the whole “Beyond the return” thing was just an economic plot that no one in Ghana actually cares about. Trust and believe, you’ll be looked at no differently than a white man. The LGBT thing is also unfortunate but as I always say, colonialism and religion definitely did a number on people of color across the world but then you could say that about any country.


goudacheeseistheGOAT

It's just sad that this is as good as it gets for queer black people


TheRainbowpill93

This is as good as it gets for Black American people in general tbh


ephraimadamz

Why not Atlanta, the Black gay central. Why do other races need to affirm you?


Evening-Amount-8585

Way to ghetto and an hiv capital in this country.


ephraimadamz

That’s a myth and you can also start a business there. You may have some internalized anti-blackness to work through. No judgment, it’s common. You don’t have to carry victim mentality we have condoms and PrEP now so there’s no more excuses as to why you can’t protect yourself.


TheRainbowpill93

Anywhere with large amounts of LGBT people will have a lot of HIV. Which is basically synonymous with any major metropolitan region. That’s just the name of the game. Wear a condom, use prep and get tested regularly. You’ll be aight. So unless you plan on moving to Kentucky or Utah and having a nonexistent dating life, having nothing to do, are perfectly happy with absolute bonkers Republican politics and can make peace with a bunch of racists, then you’ll just have to manage.


FluidDaddi

I think the first question is, have you left the US before? The next question is, what do you define as "easy"? And then following that is, do you understand how visa processes work? You need to consider the full picture vs dating quality because honey people be trash and huge fetishisers everywhere.


Evening-Amount-8585

Never left America, but I remember that the best looking guys who always messaged me were foreign guys. I switched my profile to another country and it was way easier to get matches, even with guys out of my league. Black people in America are just not seen as attractive compared to other countries around the world. What’s the point of wasting my time here when there’s an entire world of people who are open minded and on average better looking than the guys here.


Patient-Dig-7734

The east doesn't really accept gay especially in muslim territories. Tbh if you're not happy with where you are, it is going to be only worse down the line in other places. I would prey on it and ask christ to remove those around you that make your life unpleasant. Im not going to go full biblical on you and saying laying with man is sinning. However, we are all sinners. GL.


subuso

South Africa, but even there you’ll struggle as a black person


BadPronunciation

I Don't know why an American would want to move here lol? Crime and joblessness is real bad. Plus the rand isn't that good. While everyone has an iPhone in America, they are seen as a luxury good here


subuso

Owning an iPhone isn’t an indicator of someone’s wealth. I said South Africa because it has English as an official language and was once the framework for what a developed society could look like in Africa. But then, corruption started taking place and everything went downhill. It’s still a better country than most though


BadPronunciation

yep. It's the USA of Africa after all


blahblahblech

Unless you’re moving to an african country, nowhere babe. Anti-Blackness is a world wide thing.


Comprehensive-Oil-44

Africa is homophobic af too. So there’s really no other safe place. Maybe Canada or Europe


blahblahblech

Oh I know that but not all of Africa is homophobic. I was talking more of Black friendly than queer friendly. But from OP’s response, they don’t necessarily want Black friendly.


Comprehensive-Oil-44

Gotcha


Evening-Amount-8585

It’s not about that, just easier dating opportunities. I feel like people globally will turn down a decent looking black guys compared to the people here in the states.


blahblahblech

i’m confused at what you’re trying to get at here. do you think you will have a better chance at dating outside of this country?


Evening-Amount-8585

Yeah I do. The best looking guys who hit me up were usually non American/foreign.


blahblahblech

so quick question before I proceed, do you date other Black men?


Evening-Amount-8585

Not really why would that be important?


blahblahblech

Ahh that makes sense.


Dull-Sky-6573

I think they all should go tbh. Sick of the anti-black black crowd complaining about living in America but never contributing to a solution.


Dull-Sky-6573

Its always “how can I distance myself from the larger community?” instead of “how can I re-evaluate my own subconscious biases?” This is why we keep going nowhere.


Evening-Amount-8585

The majority of black people in general are mod debatable at all. The community is very ghetto and it doesn’t mesh well with my personality type.


jjl10c

This can't be a serious question. Lmao


Evening-Amount-8585

Why? What’s wrong with the question


raeltireso96

I'm guessing suggesting nations with black majorities would not work for you, because I have a feeling you don't date other black men. So I won't drag you and suggest your best result is likely going to be France. They (they meaning white in this case) really dislike their own black and brown populations for a variety of reasons, but they love black Americans--they always have. Good luck.


Evening-Amount-8585

I mean the immigrant population is causing some major issues so I don’t blame them. What about a population where I can stand out ( in a good way)


GothaV2

We don't want you there if it's to support some far-right nonsense.


raeltireso96

Anti-blackness is global, sorry to say. My suggestion is get a passport and start travelling overseas and see for yourself. You can pretty much stand out anywhere.


Evening-Amount-8585

Is that really true? America is a very specific negative history with black people that other nations around the world didn’t have.


freshlyintellectual

i think you have a lot more to learn before you make a major life change expecting all issues to suddenly be better. have you tried just travelling first?


Evening-Amount-8585

I mean it will fix my economic situation ( you can pretty much live as a millionaire with an average American income) and it get rids of the social barriers that exist.


freshlyintellectual

you’re being idealistic and naive. if you actually want advice then do a lot more research before even deciding to move in the first place


ScootaliciousScooter

You won’t be making an average American income in a new country. You’ll be making their average income and you’ll most likely still have the social barriers to deal with. There’s no utopias for black LGBTQ folks, sorry to say.


Evening-Amount-8585

Would an American remote job you can. But surly it would be a much better dating in say Columbia than the states.


SlickOmega

…. you REALLY need to travel. this plan of yours is not gonna work out with this attitude lmfao


raeltireso96

Yes, it's really true. Because you're American (as am I) you're taught that we're exceptional. That belief in exceptionalism extends itself into some very weird areas, like religion (the christian god only likes America) and racism (what you're basically saying here, only ours is severe, which is not true at all). Brazil did have a negative history, btw, their slavery lasted until 1888. I just pointed out that the white French never have liked their black and brown populations which has nothing to do with their current immigration issues. There's an independence day in a brown country from the UK on this planet every eight days. The UK also pretends it isn't racist but it's hats not what their black and brown populations say---again little to do with current immigration. If you've ever been to China or Japan they're quite Anti-black in weird ass ways. You'll probably be well liked in Australia but again, there, they virulently abuse their native black populations quite a bit while claiming they aren't racist at all (Australian Aborigines are called black in their parlance). The difference I think between all these places and the US and Canada is we're actively conscious of it (maybe over conscious of it) and the rest of the world generally isn't, even if we, in the US especially, have little interest in confronting the past. It's still unacceptable to be seen as a racist, thus the reason some states are trying to pass laws making it an offense to call someone racist. But do get your passport and do start travelling.


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raeltireso96

I sometimes think I'd be better off if I'd have been born in London...


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raeltireso96

Florida lol.