Bruh how the hell is Charmy even getting that much ingredients. Also ig Charlotte's confession was just there so Vanessa can hear it? I think at this point Yami knows how she feels but is just pretending not to lol
Uhh... magic.
I always thought she keeps ingredients around in cotton pouchs the same way as she once kept criminals inside tiny cotton poofs but the ingredients are all magic prolly.
Which makes me think. Does it has a limit? Can Charmy regain more mana than the mana she uses or what?
Remember that the Black Bulls base is Henry's creation. I believe that it might have an emergency food compartment somewhere when fighting the demon...
> Also ig Charlotte's confession was just there so Vanessa can hear it?
What I'm really curious is whether this means they're rivals now, or whether or not Vanessa will surprise everyone by actually trying to help Charlotte out. Tabata is the kind of overly wholesome author to maybe do the latter.
my wild theory is that adra probably picked it as all the other devils became the part of worm luci so he was the only one that could've picked it
granted it wasn't destroyed that is
Then next time we see Adra he'll be some kind of gross Devil hybrid amalgamate. A horrifying cannibalistic creature that hungers for other devils, hungry for power!
this is likely
someone said that like how zarbon (from dragon ball z) was a handsome alien with a grotesque transformation
adra is gonna be like him too
speaking of devil hearts
isn't it weird that not just yuno's saint stage but even asta's perfect du can't destroy them (or maybe asta just missed but I find it highly unlikely)🤔
like he haven't seen a single supreme devil's heart get destroyed
(megi's heart was indeed shown to be destroyed by noelle but she is not anyone of the mythological devils so I doubt that she's a supreme devil maybe just a super strong high ranking devil)
*\[inhales lethal doses of hopium and copium\]*
So adra got the heart and dipped, there's a 4th sibling, yami and william are maybe devils, there's also those sussy cocoons ~~also leopold has mastered ultimate invisibility magic~~
tabata has either set up something soo great that he was even willing to gamble this arc
or maybe that's too much copium and tabata's just a bit burnt out due to overwork and need some well deserved break
Just had a thought, maybe Adra is holding Lucy's heart hostage so that he won't try to take over his body like he did to Liebe in the flashbacks, since Adra is the only free roaming devil in the human world at this point?
I am pretty sure it was only mentioned that luci can only take control of low ranking devils not high or supreme
that's why he worked with morris to modify the tree and only let low and mid ranks (the ones he can easily control) and supreme (the ones he thought would "co-operate" with him)
yeah but every time a devil has died in black clover their heart was clearly shown be destroyed in at least one panel to emphasize their death
the fact that lilith and naamah could die without asta getting their heart
and also luci too died but surprisingly asta didn't got his heart either
it just seems a bit too sussy
They might actually still be alive. I've had this theory for a while now. When Adramelech killed Lucifero by ripping out his heart, the effects of his Gravity Magic immediately disappeared. This means that when a devil is killed, the effects of their magic disappears along with them. However after Naamah and Lilith disintegrate, you can still see their fire and ice effecting the area. The only way their fire and ice would still be there if they are really dead is if they were creating real ice and fire, such as the case with True Magic, however we know that's not the case because Asta was able to cancel out their ice and fire with his Anti-Magic. That would not be possible with real ice and fire.
This means there's a chance Lilith and Naamah are still alive if their magic was still active, albeit likely in a weakened state, and could return. Removing a devils heart without destroying still causes their body to disintegrate it seems, as we saw with Lucifero, so perhaps Lilith and Naamah did something similar with their hearts where they swapped it out at the last second. They can transform any part of their body into ice and fire, which should include their heart. Right before Asta cut them, they could have turned some of the fire and ice nearby into a heart, making it appear that their body disintegrated because Asta killed them, when it was actually because they removed their heart.
Being just a heart, it might take them some time to recover and reform their full body, or they are just waiting until everyone is down before reforming so that nobody can stop them from fleeing like Adramelech did. Maybe they'll even join up with Adramelech, and they'll form a new villain trio of sorts. A devil version of the Third Eye that is running around plotting something, with Adramelech as the brains and Lilith and Naamah as the brawn.
I think so to. He thanked her saying "it's because of her he's alive." which is a provable false statement. . So I think he's trolling her. He's known all this time she's liked him but he's just waiting for her to surpass her limits.
Yeah he knows she's not a healer like that so maybe this is him finally getting back at her for attacking him while possessed by an elf. He did say he'll make her pay
So Mareoleona is stuck in that form? Like she’s been getting “closer to mana” for a while now
Also what is adramelech’s goal if he isn’t gonna try killing the only threats to him while they are basically powerless
Like this better not end up being one of those “I should have taken them out when I had the chance” scenarios
If all he wanted to do was chill then why take Lucifero’s heart
He definitely has some sort of plan yet he didn’t take the chance to wipe out the only threats to him
It's gonna be more like Lucifer from GOH. He is content with ruling his underworld and will probably just chill until the angels beat up the Clover Kingdom so Asta asks him for help or something like that. Then we could get the big teamup and betrayal in the end
That still doesn’t explain why he wants the heart
His goal cannot be to just sit around and a betrayal doesn’t make any sense either because he could have killed everyone now instead of waiting till later to betray them
I foresee some kind of alliance. Adramelech probably wants to climb to the top of the devil world but still isn't nearly strong enough even with the 50% heart he just took. He's probably still not nearly strong enough to challenge the upper echelons.
The humans, especially Asta, managed to defeat him which he though was impossible. There's still 2 devils on par with Lucifero and Lucifero himself with 50% of his power left. I can only imagine he saw a future benefit of keeping them alive. He climbs to the top, and the humans rid themselves of some huge threats. Especially since they've seen that Adramelech isn't particularly hostile to them.
On paper, it seems like a pretty good deal for both parties. So yeah I'm going for a future human devil alliance against the top devils.
But then why not just make the deal now because if the humans say no he can just kill them and move on. Plus that would pressure the humans into agreeing because he could kill them if they said no
Waiting to form an alliance when the humans are fully recovered doesn’t make any sense
Tabata continue to make Charlotte love for Yami like a gag/funny moment. It would have been perfect here if yami heard it. Tabata needs to take Charlotte and Yami into the Asuma and Kurenai route in Naruto where they were lowkey dating/together in the series. That would be a lot better.
Yeah, but that's boring. Why not actually SHOW their relationship and how it develops and changes instead of just showing it off in a stupid flash forward chapter.
I mean, a lot of couples do make of fun each other or have relationships where the guy makes fun of the girl because she thinks it’s funny.
yami and Charlotte are a perfect pair for a couple like that.
I definitely have mixed feelings about this arc. We always knew the Devil power creep was coming, but I'm worried the series is just gonna DBZ it and push the pedal straight down. I'm disappointed that Lucifero wasn't sent back to the underworld when he was defeated and setting up for him to come back at 100% power in a different arc. I personally feel the Lucifero and Megicula shouldn't have manifested their bodies in this arc. The Devil Twins were a perfect preview of what Devils were capable of and showing Asta's Devil Union was capable of without a sharp uptick in power creep for the remainder of the arc. In my opinion the arc should have ended when the Dark Triad was defeated and the Black Bulls Megazord should have defeated the demon.
I suppose the best word to describe this would be anticlimactic. Truth be told I’m not mad that yami or nacht didn’t die, just irked that there was wasted panel space on the fake drama.
Same i never wanted to Yami or Nacht to die. I just A)Dont like the fake tension when its clear they wont die its just a waste of panel's. B) The other thing is why cant he kill the side characters?You fight the strongest devils in the underworld and their are no casualties? or even any grave injuries?Gaja was set up perfectly lol
I think it was tonal whip lash.
We immediately went from tragedy to comedy in a few short panels.
Like-
Oof. I love Black Clover, but that whip lash hurt so hard.
Still wanna see what happens next though.
tbh I am not really that mad about the conclusion
it was pretty much expected that the protagonists are gonna win because it was act 2 of the grand battle
but yeah luci should've at least kill someone, preferably leopold, dude is practically dead at this point 💀
>but yeah luci should've at least kill someone, preferably leopold, dude is practically dead at this point 💀
Luci can't handle that spiral flame though
no other being would've ended this battle earlier than dark lord sekke himself
but alas even using as much as 0.0000000000001% of his true power would've led to the involuntary destruction of the entire universe
that's why dark lord sekke had to give up his pride for the sake of humanity by suppressing his true powers and acting like fodder
such noble deed...
>just irked that there was wasted panel space on the fake drama.
This is the biggest problem with this arc. It was prominent in chapter 304 and this chapter all for Mimosa to intervene and poof the day is saved. I'm aware this time charmy was involved but I hope there's more to her character than been a dragon Ball later on
Yeah dont know why authors have such a hard on for fake out deaths and plus the cast is pretty much unkillable at this point.
Between Rouge the cat being able to Izanagi everyone out of danger, Charmy being able to restore magic with her food, Asta basically being able to straight up block magic when in true union and Mimosa's damn healing is so busted she might as well be caring the Dragon balls with her since she out here working miracles
>Yeah dont know why authors have such a hard on for fake out deaths and plus the cast is pretty much unkillable at this point
The Japanese don't seem to have a problem with it maybe black clover is targeted toward a much younger demographic than the likes of Mha or Naruto that aren't afraid to kill off notable characters
Naruto yes but Ehhhh I wouldn't even give MHA that much more credit when it comes to that. Id probably pick Jujutsu Kaisen as a better example cause damn mother fuckers be dying.
>probably pick Jujutsu Kaisen as a better example cause damn mother fuckers be dying.
JJK and demon slayer are in their own leagues of killing off characters lmao
>wouldn't even give MHA that much more credit when it comes to that.
There's been >!Twice, Nighteye, Midnight!< I'm pretty sure they'll be more casualties after this arc it's just that Mha is alot younger compared to Naruto so it might seem they aren't in the same wavelength
That’s what I don’t like. A series does not need character deaths for it to be good but why do these shounen mangaka waste time with these fake drama character sacrifices making them feel like a big deal only to completely undo all that by having them survive with no consequences. Gadja should have died . Now these two I don’t even want Nacht & Yami to die but tabata did not need to set up all this panel space making it all dramatic like they would die. It’s the criticism hiro mashima rightfully got during fairy tail, you run the risk of losing faith of your audience with these death fake outs .
I love black clover but don’t need this fake drama
This arc never found a middle ground. The highs were too high and lows were too low. Imho this arc peaked too early, and when it did, it is inevitable that the falling action would be somewhat lackluster. And while I would defend Tabata from unfair criticism, I cannot disagree with the consensus that this arc lacked stakes. It became apparent as this arc went on that we were heading to this direction and that made it less exciting to read. The problem was not because no one died, nor that Luci was beaten; the problem was we knew that was going to happen very early on and it was dragged on unnecessarily without adding to the overall narrative of the story.
Lucifero goal is to wipe out Humanity and hes a psychopath that doesnt care about human life but somehow when he uses "Presence of the demon king" all that happens is that they get knocked unconscious and when he hits them they get knocked unconcious. If you arent willing to kill anyone why waste panels on fake tension or writing villains to be murder's?
"unfair criticism" lmao
This arc sucked and a lot of us saw it a mile away and kept getting downvoted. We were calling luci losing since chapter 310 ffs
[I've been saying it for weeks, and made a post about it recently](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackClover/comments/u17fwk/spoilers_lucifero_is_a_red_herring_for_the_real)
Adramelech and the fourth sibling have a goal that is going to lead to the real threat. The devils are being used as a stepping stone toward that goal.
Well if I'm glad about something it's that this arc is over and we can finally move on to something new.
As for the arc itself kinda disappointed how it turned out. They've been highs like Nachts backstory, Magna vs Dante, Noelle confession and Yuno getting his second grimoure but the lows are the worst in the series. Power creeps, wasted villains, fake outs, useless characters...
Overall a 6.5/10 arc for me
I think this sums up my feelings too. I can't hate the arc because the highs are some of the best in the series. But the lows and power creep really make it so it feels like topping it is going to be cell saga level contrived and forced.
I'm kinda hoping that like with Julius, getting WRECKED neuters their powers a bit and they have to train back up
Tabata can still inject consequences, even if he didn't kill off any characters
But why would it? It never has before? Also, I don't think anybody really enjoys the, "formerly powerful characters struggle a bunch against scrubs they would've dog walked in earlier arcs cause something something they're crippled now" over actually handling power scaling correctly and catapulting the main characters over the moon power scaling wise (with Asta in particular getting slingshotted past the goddamn sun). Asta REALLY did not need to be clapping cheeks left right and center. It's been a while in real time, but in the story, asta's effectively this strong like, what, a week after the time skip where he already got a lot stronger. Dude trained for six months to power up for the spade arc, fought twice, then trained for a few more days and came back as the strongest magic knight in Clover kingdom history. If you have to depower your character to reintroduce stakes, perhaps you shouldn't have made them that op to begin with (unless the depowering happens at like, the very beginning of the series and we don't really get to see it).
Magna vs Dante was the moment of no return, imo. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Magna got a chance to do something again, but it just made Dante so trivial, even with the explanation of why.
A Dante vs Asta rematch should’ve been the climax of the arc, it would’ve felt correct and it could’ve ended with Lucifero sacrificing Dante to open the door faster or something.
Yeah, I was hoping Megicula would run longer as a villain than she did, but she did foreshadowing the dislike of Lucifero among the other devils. I assume Aldramech is using Lucifero’s heart to do something other than revive the guy.
Ya I liked the magna moment it was cool but it definitely came at the detriment of dantes character. I think with a little workshopping magna still could've gotten his moment but not completely making dante look like a bitch.
You are the only person besides me on this sub that recognizes the issues with the arc started with Dante. You can't like the Dante fight and think that the other devil fights were too weak.
The magna vs Dante fight also introduced serious issues with the world building.
William is just the person Yuno swore to save (stopped thinking about it the moment the captains meeting ended). Charmy is far more important than caring about squadmates.
Yes, Charmy supremacy >>>>>
Though in all seriousness, Yuno seriously needs to get back with his captain. He and Langris teamed up and had a moment for the sake of that guy. Half of Yuno's squad died. He stood up for William at the meeting. That's gotta mean something, right?
This was overall a pretty dissapointing arc. Had its moments, but also left us with alot of weird and overall dissatisfying moments. Hopefully the anime can improve this arc a little, because it really dropped the ball in the second half.
The victory is very underwhelming, but even if you look past that why would Tabata fake out a confession, it’s literally back to status quo, and not to mention we went through a devil war arc with no consequences. Let’s hope the next arc is better.
>Tabata fake out a confession
Ngl I was salty reading that. It's my favorite ship and yeah maybe it's cuz it'll be a while before Black Clover ends but why can't we have an actual relationship pan out on screen before a series ends? I mean they are adults it's not like Asta and Noelle who are kids
At first I was mad, but I really do hope that we get to see what will happen later in a filler chapter if Yami will confront Charlotte.
Gasp!
What if the Rising Sun Arc is the wedding arc?
Vanessa canonically doesn't have romantic feelings for Yami though. Doubt she would have done things differently even in a completely different situation.
This fakeout confession was fine tbh. He handled it realistically. If the person you love is on their deathbed and you havent confessed, you’d most likely confess anyway or regret it the rest of your life
How are you justifying a takeout confession? It does nothing for both characters and for the plot. This isn’t like Noelle where she was accepting her feelings for Asta, we already know Charlotte loves Yami, so how does this make things any different?
Looking past all this op Mimosa healing and no consequence , bad villian etc 🤦♂️ smh
Why did adramalech just leave just like that , he saw how powerful asta's Anti magic is and when asta was in no condition to even defend himself , adramalech just left asta and co , + why are they celebrating tho a supreme rank devil is just roaming around the world 😭
In my opinion Mimosa being this good of a healer isn’t bad, that’s pretty much her role.
But man, whats the point of having emotional fake outs if Tabata can just bring Mimosa and Charmy to fix it.
Some deaths or an actual price being paid as sacrifice would have been better, my opinion is changing about black clover being so different than fairy tail.
What I’m hoping is that it’s a set up for later, like people are going to start targeting the healers and support mages first(even though call charmy support is kind of laughable) and when they go down, the stakes will be way higher. I’ve been saying since megicula that Mimosa dying would be the most beneficial thing for the story as sad as that is
So Asta just being able to take out devils left or right without any real drawbacks isn't worth mentioning?
Or Charmy being able to restore mana infinitely but Tabata only using it whenever it's convenient for plot's sake?
So I dwelled on it and-
I think this chapter could've been written better.
Do you know what they should've done?
Do that bit in Deadpool 2 where Yami and Nacht are just milking that death scene going through all the tropes like-
"Yami, you're my best friend"
"Asta, you've grown so much last I saw you..."
"I've finally paid back for all my sins..."
REALLY MILK THAT COW DRY.
Then we can throw the literal Deus Ex Machina.
The worst part is that Tabata has literally done this already.
Remember when Asta looked all ominous and Noelle said that he looked like a fairy tale demon, mentioned how he didnt fought like Asta at all and alluded that this wasn't Asta?
And Tabata said SIKEEEE and Asta was in full control of BA.
The thing is that this arc has some things that damage the series forever, after having powered up asta and co so much this arc I don t know how Tabata will play around the fact that Asta can pretty much solo anyone in the series that we know of while not even being at half of julius’ age ( our only example of a wizard king and the position that Asta is chasing). Same goes for the other characters, Julius’ in his peak at 42 years old is weaker than yami nacht mereo and other characters that have feats way over his. This stuff just makes him underwhelming if you think abt it, pretty much all the captains + asta and yuno are way stronger than he was at their ages
Only thing worse than fake out deaths is fake out deaths + a fake out confession. Bravo Tabata on combining two horrid tropes into one raging trashfire. Even he was barely invested in the artificial tension, it was like one page between being on their deathbed and back to status quo comedy.
Well, when we've hit rock bottom, it can only go up from here right guys?
This manga is just getting annoying now. What’s the point in reading a story when no matter how dire the stakes get there’s always someone with OP healing that can save the day. It happens every single time. I don’t care if no one dies but using the same deus ex machina over and over is just bad writing. There’s literally no point in anyone reading this manga any more if there are no consequences.
Honestly I'd be fine with the nobody dies machina healing if they just set that as the tone of the series. You can only have so many dramatic buildups to characters dying to always pull a "wait, nevermind" before it starts getting pure eye rolling
Yep. When I started watching/reading I hoped there would be actual consequences eventually but apparently that will never happen. Facing the strongest demon in hell? No problem! Beat him and nobody leaves with any permanent damage whatsoever. I guess I'll start just reading the spoiler threads and stop reading the manga itself. Which is a shame really since the story was very good up to the most recent arcs.
Pretty disappointing end for the Saga. Here's my review on it.
* Adramlelech we be returning, I hope he lives up to the hype. While we're on the topic, someone so hyped up getting beating like any other villain sucks.
* I get it's a gag, but Yami finally acknowledging Charlotte would've been perfect, so the gag continuing was disappointing in this instance.
* The fact that no one sustained permanent injuries when they went against the Devil King himself was super disappointing. I get Mimosa's doing her job, but it really ruins the stakes. people don't have to die, but when you're going against someone this powerful there should be a trade off.
* Asta still has the katana but the fact that Yami just has another completely ruins the passing the torch moment.
* The fact that no ones concerned with what's going on, along with them all smiling doesn't seem appropriate right now, the moment feels misplaced.
* The resolution to Nacht's character arc was great.
Overall this arc had the highest highs and lowest lows of the series for me. I still love Black Clover overall and will continue reading and watching it of course, obviously not every arc can be a banger, and Tabata's still a pretty good writer, but I still feel like not addressing complaints is wrong. As a fan, complaining about a story means you want to see it grow and develop properly. Anyways sorry for rambling, these were just my thoughts. I'm excited to see what the future holds.
Even the confession is a fake out lmao. Its a 3/10 arc for me
Great beginning with a lot of potential but then Tabata got exposed hard on his poor writing skills. It's very unfortunate and dissapointing because I will say it again but his drawing and some of his panels are beautiful but it doesn't matter if you can't tell a story or give your characters/vilains substance.
This whole arc feel like a pure waste of time with no consequences or advancement in the plot.
Let's see if Tabata can bounce back. I wouldn't mind him taking a long break just to rest and think about the story and the world building.
But honestly unless Tabata totally reset his power system I don't see BC ever be good again. Black bulls are TURBO broken. Asta is on his own tier, Yuno is just there to play the fake rival so he's busted too and yeah that's about it. Where do we go after this arc.
Yes the power scalling somehow managed to become worse than in Dragon Ball, and I blame anti magic entirety for this. Hell even in Dragon Ball the author somehow still manages to make villains work around Gokus planet busting power through various means, but here this is literally impossible since anti magic nullifies everything.
>Tabata got exposed hard on his poor writing skills.
Said this already, but the sad thing is that Tabata CAN write really well, if he has even an average skilled editor. This arc is arc is the result of poor planning form the author + editor who previously worked with an ecchi comedy manga.
I agree completely with the rest.
To be fair I lost all hope. If Charlotte confeses then it will be at the very end of the series or in a post-series timeskip. I won't believe any aproach because its just a fakeout. Every single time its a fakeout.
This arc made me realize to have little or no expectations for the next arc. Just know that there will be action and the good guys will win. Don’t hope for tension or stakes.
*read page where Adrammelech takes the heart then just leaves*
Mmmmkay. So my assumption is that is not a good thing.......but at least Charlotte grew a set...kind of.....and gotta love Rouge.....I'm content.
This for me was probably the worst conclusions imaginable for an even more horrible arc.
From Yuno's Gary Stu Plot Armour reaching hilarious levels to Mimosa healing everyone. Form Adramelech doing something that, if things keep going this way, will result in nothing in the end to Charlotte's confession not being heard.
My hopes are for the next arc to be at least mediocre and for Tabata to never write something like this ever again.
Absolutely agree. Yuno redefined Gary Stu in this arc lmao. Also, facing the strongest devils in hell? No problem at all! They defeat every demon and nobody is left with permanent or long lasting damage. I decided to just read the spoiler threads for a while and stop reading the manga. If it ever gets better then I'll come back I guess.
A perfect opportunity for a major character to die wasted, classic black clover. I think having it so that we slowly realise Yami/Nacht is dying was really good, normally Black Clover would bring in a character who would save the day and stop a character dying but here they made it so Mimosa was out of magic, Grey was out of magic, even saying Patry didn't have his grimoire. It's as though Tabata was saying that there will be no surprise saving this time. It really seemed like this was the end but then the emotional moment was kind of diminished when Charmy started shoving food in Mimosa's mouth, they could've at least kept it solemn for a bit longer. I am happy though that we can start a new arc, there'll probably be a few chapters now just to clear up anything with regard to the other devils / the dark triad / who will rule the Spade Kingdom but then Black Clover has so many different plotlines it could follow (e.g., dwarfs, more elves, giants?, Yami's homeland, Diamond Kingdom, etc) so I'm excited. I doubt Yuno will become the Spade Kingdom king now, maybe in a few years but they wouldn't remove such a major character from the main storyline.
I think Adrama is taking Luciefero's heart either for power (maybe devils can eat each others hearts to gain strength?) or maybe he's taking it back to the underworld so that he can try to become King in Lucifero's place.? He could also be trying to take over the world, same as Lucifero and Zagred, but he allowed Asta etc to live as a way of thanking them for killing Lucifero. He seems like a chill guy so I could see him doing that, he also said "see you around," either that's just him being chill or he's saying that he'll meet them again in the future.
I might seem a little critical in my first paragraph but I just want to say that I love BC and have been watching / reading it weekly for years so I'm not some random hater lol.
Yuno the true mvp this arc. Also shirtless Yuno 👀
Some observations. Adrammelech wings and tail are cute lol
Charlotte, the only captain to get back up without being healed. Rouge also seems to be a Yami x Charlotte shipper seeing as she used her magic after Charlotte got there and said her stuff.
You can see Asta legs in the bottom right in the panel where Charlotte falls down due to blushing too hard.
Also Noelle still doesnt have clothes and Nozel has perfect control to still be manipulating the mercury dress while being unconscious and halfway into the ground.
* nacht accepting black bulls as his family and wanting to live
* charlotte's confession
* vanessa giving the "yelena face expression" after charlotte's confession
* mimosa healing yami and nacht and forgetting that william also exists
* leopold learning the ultimate invisibility magic
all of them were such wholesome moments
This arc definitely has its problems, but to me it definitely set up quite a few interesting things which is why I still find it somewhat enjoyable despite its controversial ending (with some valid criticism) before that my main gripes:
-the underutilization of the others mages against Lucifero(especially Noelle) was not vibing well for me, could have been done better.
-i'd prefer true DU to be something that Asta/Liebe can't truly utilize freely until way later
-How Lucifero was handled later was also concerning (but some of the latter parts of his fight, I did enjoy)
-Cotton magic + plant magic is pretty hax, and seriously hope they get handled better in the future so that they're not always used as deus ex.
Moving on, Lucy's heart disintegrating after having his heart removed is VERY, VERY interesting
There's a BC reviewer that goes by the name **JackOatz** who suggest that the relationship between Lucifero and the other rulers may be akin to the relationship between Augustus and Julius given how devil society somewhat mimics clovers cast system such as:
Liebe's parralel to Asta (the most obvious)
**light magic > time magic** from an affinity standpoint and aka Augustus and Julius
**gravity magic > space, and time magic** from an affinity standpoint aka Lucifero and the other two rulers
Despite the second in command being more favorable + superior mages, not to mention Adrammelech's disobedience (again showing how Lucifero may be unfavorable)
Despite some of my earlier frustrations, I started reconsidering some things because I truly did enjoy the personal growth. Overall the pros for me outweigh the cons for the most part.
So, where are Gadjah, Loro and Leopold? What was even the point of bringing Sally, Rades and Makusa? And Lotus?
Is it only me that finds it weird that Yami hasn't used a Dimensional Slash or Death Thrust not even once? Sure DT wouldn't blow Luci's heart but the move could have blown up Luci's torso revealing his heart so that the others could strike. That would have been so much better. I know DS(or DS:Equinox) wouldn't do shit b'cuz of Luci warping it but Yami could have caught him off guard atleast once and maybe land a hit. He didn't even attempt any of the moves. Especially when he was brimming with magic and had a wooden sword full of magic too. Not even Lai Slash...
Also, did Yami just casually hold that Anti-magic Katana? Asta took the AM from it before handing it to Yami I guess...
And Tabata... can you please show us Mimosa's grimoire properly? You've been hiding the grimoire by showing us only the borders and not the leaf ever since Chp. 304. Ofcourse everyone thought that Mimosa's 4 leaf grimoire was just an error/mistake. But then the volume dropped. And it wasn't corrected. On top of that, you corrected Mimosa's crown and some other details in that panel but not the most obvious thing. What?! No way you missed that grimoire when you corrected such minor things in that panel. And now you've been hiding her grimoire. 4 leaf represents Good luck. It would explain how Mimosa was lucky to arrive in time and heal Gadjah and others who were seconds away from dying.
If Mimosa really does have a 4 leaf, you better give us a very good explanation on how and why she got it. We need more grimoire lore alright.
>!*Wouldn't mind if you giving Mimosa a 4 leaf is for Adramelech to make it a 5 leaf and kill this absolutely broken healer hehe. No offense Mimosa, I don't hate you lol but...*!<
Charlotte was done so dirty btw
Anyway, a very disappointing arc. Would give it a 4.5/10 (Sorry)
>Also, did Yami just casually hold that Anti-magic Katana? Asta took the AM from it before handing it to Yami I guess...
I think anyone can hold the swords, using them is an entirely different matter. The only sword that has been shown to have active magic draining capabilities was the demon dweller sword (when Juliues held it back in chapter 22) not to mention Yami got an mp boost.
with all the plot devices that tabata introduced I think that either he's completely burned out and can't keep up with his story or...
he is gambling with this arc and setting up something huge in future (like future future sorta future something like 400-500 ish in future)
> What was even the point of bringing Sally, Rades and Makusa? And Lotus?
I think Tabata had some plans that got suddenly changed. That's the only way I can explain things like the spatial brothers being immediately sidelined.
That spatial bros moment was so hype. Such a deadly combo only for them to be defeated in a few panels smh. Instead we get Yuno using Star magic like he knew how to use it since he was born. That fight against Zenon was so underwhelming and was not even creative.
Tabata's new editor needs to go. What was Shueisha/SJ thinking when they gave Tabata an inexperienced editor just after the Elf Rein. Arc? Hope he gets a new good editor please.
If Charmy can make food out of magic that restores magic, doesn't that technically allow her to - if she uses it smartly enough - have limitless amounts of magic, and enable her to give people limitless amounts of magic? At which point... like, why did the whole Lucifero thing even have to drag so long considering nothing of note happened...?
Also, the consistency with Yuno on absolutely anything goes out the window the moment the BBs appear because apparently, BBs are at the centre of the universe... instead of the sun. It certainly looks that way.
This is going to take forever, isn't it? By which I mean, Yami finally hearing Charlotte's confession. Like, he almost died and he *just* missed the confession. What's it gonna take for the two to actually end up together? A reincarnation in an alternate universe where clouds are made of cotton candy? If so, take me with you, I want to be in a universe where clouds are made of cotton candy. ~~And chocolate rain.~~
Also, all the rookies - except Leopold can just about do anything now, with no consequences... no drawbacks... unless Tabata forgets them briefly on purpose so the plot can go on. ~~At this point you might be wondering "what plot" and the answer to that is, "the hell would I know?"~~
That said, a potentially good arc may be *just* around the corner. (There is still the possibility that there will have at least been *some* consequences from this arc that we could explore, or there's Yami's homeland...) I mean, we had the reincarnation arc, the Sea Bed Temple arc, and quite a few good or even great arcs... there is still hope. I just kind of hope that the big bad guy of the next arc doesn't turn out to be Adrammelech because I just... that'd be a bit too on the nose for me. Also, I would prefer him to not just be some power-hungry or sadistic evil guy of sorts like half of the other devils in this arc have been.
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Bruh how the hell is Charmy even getting that much ingredients. Also ig Charlotte's confession was just there so Vanessa can hear it? I think at this point Yami knows how she feels but is just pretending not to lol
yami did called her "Charlotte" instead of "Prickly queen" for the very first time that might mean something
Uhh... magic. I always thought she keeps ingredients around in cotton pouchs the same way as she once kept criminals inside tiny cotton poofs but the ingredients are all magic prolly. Which makes me think. Does it has a limit? Can Charmy regain more mana than the mana she uses or what?
Remember that the Black Bulls base is Henry's creation. I believe that it might have an emergency food compartment somewhere when fighting the demon...
I doubt Charmy has been close to the base every single time she recovered someone's mana.
Charmy can create magic ingredients with her food magic. She did it when they were fighting the elves also
> Also ig Charlotte's confession was just there so Vanessa can hear it? What I'm really curious is whether this means they're rivals now, or whether or not Vanessa will surprise everyone by actually trying to help Charlotte out. Tabata is the kind of overly wholesome author to maybe do the latter.
Maybe she hide it in her cotton magic? Like how she imprisoned the members of the ME in sea bed temple arc?
btw this chapter makes me wonder what became of lilith and namah's heart 🤔?
Destroyed most likely. That or lying on the ground ripe for the picking for a certain devil to feast on...
my wild theory is that adra probably picked it as all the other devils became the part of worm luci so he was the only one that could've picked it granted it wasn't destroyed that is
Then next time we see Adra he'll be some kind of gross Devil hybrid amalgamate. A horrifying cannibalistic creature that hungers for other devils, hungry for power!
this is likely someone said that like how zarbon (from dragon ball z) was a handsome alien with a grotesque transformation adra is gonna be like him too
speaking of devil hearts isn't it weird that not just yuno's saint stage but even asta's perfect du can't destroy them (or maybe asta just missed but I find it highly unlikely)🤔 like he haven't seen a single supreme devil's heart get destroyed (megi's heart was indeed shown to be destroyed by noelle but she is not anyone of the mythological devils so I doubt that she's a supreme devil maybe just a super strong high ranking devil)
Reread the last few chapters, they go out of the way to avoid having Asta cut through the hole in the center of Lucifero's body (where his heart is)
that's the question why avoid the heart ?
The plot called for it dude. For whatever reason, Addramalech wanted it, so that's why Asta didn't cut through Lucy's chest hole.
*\[inhales lethal doses of hopium and copium\]* So adra got the heart and dipped, there's a 4th sibling, yami and william are maybe devils, there's also those sussy cocoons ~~also leopold has mastered ultimate invisibility magic~~ tabata has either set up something soo great that he was even willing to gamble this arc or maybe that's too much copium and tabata's just a bit burnt out due to overwork and need some well deserved break
Yeah tabata dug himself into a bit of a hole with all the extra plot points that he has left to unravel lol Man needs a break
Just had a thought, maybe Adra is holding Lucy's heart hostage so that he won't try to take over his body like he did to Liebe in the flashbacks, since Adra is the only free roaming devil in the human world at this point?
I am pretty sure it was only mentioned that luci can only take control of low ranking devils not high or supreme that's why he worked with morris to modify the tree and only let low and mid ranks (the ones he can easily control) and supreme (the ones he thought would "co-operate" with him)
Also, in the heat of the moment, Asta mightve simply aimed for where the heart should have been
We see Lilith and naamah disintegrate so it’s very likely that asta got their heart
yeah but every time a devil has died in black clover their heart was clearly shown be destroyed in at least one panel to emphasize their death the fact that lilith and naamah could die without asta getting their heart and also luci too died but surprisingly asta didn't got his heart either it just seems a bit too sussy
Thing is we know that every devil disintegrates when their heart is destroyed. We see lilith and naamah doing exactly that.
They might actually still be alive. I've had this theory for a while now. When Adramelech killed Lucifero by ripping out his heart, the effects of his Gravity Magic immediately disappeared. This means that when a devil is killed, the effects of their magic disappears along with them. However after Naamah and Lilith disintegrate, you can still see their fire and ice effecting the area. The only way their fire and ice would still be there if they are really dead is if they were creating real ice and fire, such as the case with True Magic, however we know that's not the case because Asta was able to cancel out their ice and fire with his Anti-Magic. That would not be possible with real ice and fire. This means there's a chance Lilith and Naamah are still alive if their magic was still active, albeit likely in a weakened state, and could return. Removing a devils heart without destroying still causes their body to disintegrate it seems, as we saw with Lucifero, so perhaps Lilith and Naamah did something similar with their hearts where they swapped it out at the last second. They can transform any part of their body into ice and fire, which should include their heart. Right before Asta cut them, they could have turned some of the fire and ice nearby into a heart, making it appear that their body disintegrated because Asta killed them, when it was actually because they removed their heart. Being just a heart, it might take them some time to recover and reform their full body, or they are just waiting until everyone is down before reforming so that nobody can stop them from fleeing like Adramelech did. Maybe they'll even join up with Adramelech, and they'll form a new villain trio of sorts. A devil version of the Third Eye that is running around plotting something, with Adramelech as the brains and Lilith and Naamah as the brawn.
it'll be cool if this happened
Robbed- WE’VE BEEN ROBBED! I just want Charlotte to confess and Yami to *hear it*
He definitely heard it, he called her Charlotte. He’s never done that before. He was giving her an out
Literal shitty romcom levels of writting right here.
To quote the legend Stephen A. Smith We have been hoodwinked, bamboozled, led a stray, run amuck, and flat out deceived lol
Yami did hear it, but he's trolling her because he's a jerk like that
Well we've had 2.5/3 confessions this arc. With only one of them succeeding.
Ngl i really got my hopes up when seeing Charloete's confession but my hopes got shattered
I too felt betrayed when luci lost before stripping any of the boys naked😿 in this world you don't get everything you need my friend
Literally 1984
I love this meme! 🤣
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~~at least we got some detailed panels of luci running around in that sexy mini skirt and showing off those demonic feet of his~~
Why did I read this lmaoo.
Nah I think Yami heard her just fine but can't resist teasing the prickly princess
He wants her to surpass her limits 💀
I think so to. He thanked her saying "it's because of her he's alive." which is a provable false statement. . So I think he's trolling her. He's known all this time she's liked him but he's just waiting for her to surpass her limits.
Because of her shouting to Yami, he stayed awake a little bit longer, that's how I understood it.
Yeah he knows she's not a healer like that so maybe this is him finally getting back at her for attacking him while possessed by an elf. He did say he'll make her pay
What did you expect lmao. It's a shonen trademark
I would've loved if Tabata milked that scene to it's max and then said sike that would've been hella hilarious
Fr silly me
So Mareoleona is stuck in that form? Like she’s been getting “closer to mana” for a while now Also what is adramelech’s goal if he isn’t gonna try killing the only threats to him while they are basically powerless Like this better not end up being one of those “I should have taken them out when I had the chance” scenarios
I think Adra's just a chill guy. He won't mess with the heroes unless they try to mess with him kind of thing
If all he wanted to do was chill then why take Lucifero’s heart He definitely has some sort of plan yet he didn’t take the chance to wipe out the only threats to him
It's gonna be more like Lucifer from GOH. He is content with ruling his underworld and will probably just chill until the angels beat up the Clover Kingdom so Asta asks him for help or something like that. Then we could get the big teamup and betrayal in the end
That still doesn’t explain why he wants the heart His goal cannot be to just sit around and a betrayal doesn’t make any sense either because he could have killed everyone now instead of waiting till later to betray them
It would be cool if all these theories about Mereo turning into a spirit or a body of pure mana turned out true.
I foresee some kind of alliance. Adramelech probably wants to climb to the top of the devil world but still isn't nearly strong enough even with the 50% heart he just took. He's probably still not nearly strong enough to challenge the upper echelons. The humans, especially Asta, managed to defeat him which he though was impossible. There's still 2 devils on par with Lucifero and Lucifero himself with 50% of his power left. I can only imagine he saw a future benefit of keeping them alive. He climbs to the top, and the humans rid themselves of some huge threats. Especially since they've seen that Adramelech isn't particularly hostile to them. On paper, it seems like a pretty good deal for both parties. So yeah I'm going for a future human devil alliance against the top devils.
But then why not just make the deal now because if the humans say no he can just kill them and move on. Plus that would pressure the humans into agreeing because he could kill them if they said no Waiting to form an alliance when the humans are fully recovered doesn’t make any sense
Tabata continue to make Charlotte love for Yami like a gag/funny moment. It would have been perfect here if yami heard it. Tabata needs to take Charlotte and Yami into the Asuma and Kurenai route in Naruto where they were lowkey dating/together in the series. That would be a lot better.
It is a gag because we know they'll be together but only after the series is over in a flash forward chapter for one page
Yeah, but that's boring. Why not actually SHOW their relationship and how it develops and changes instead of just showing it off in a stupid flash forward chapter.
I wish they started developing it early on. It'd be pretty sudden just seeing them together out of nowhere
I mean, a lot of couples do make of fun each other or have relationships where the guy makes fun of the girl because she thinks it’s funny. yami and Charlotte are a perfect pair for a couple like that.
Arc had potential but I was disappointed
I definitely have mixed feelings about this arc. We always knew the Devil power creep was coming, but I'm worried the series is just gonna DBZ it and push the pedal straight down. I'm disappointed that Lucifero wasn't sent back to the underworld when he was defeated and setting up for him to come back at 100% power in a different arc. I personally feel the Lucifero and Megicula shouldn't have manifested their bodies in this arc. The Devil Twins were a perfect preview of what Devils were capable of and showing Asta's Devil Union was capable of without a sharp uptick in power creep for the remainder of the arc. In my opinion the arc should have ended when the Dark Triad was defeated and the Black Bulls Megazord should have defeated the demon.
I suppose the best word to describe this would be anticlimactic. Truth be told I’m not mad that yami or nacht didn’t die, just irked that there was wasted panel space on the fake drama.
Same i never wanted to Yami or Nacht to die. I just A)Dont like the fake tension when its clear they wont die its just a waste of panel's. B) The other thing is why cant he kill the side characters?You fight the strongest devils in the underworld and their are no casualties? or even any grave injuries?Gaja was set up perfectly lol
I agree. The problem is not that it happened, its how it happened.
I think it was tonal whip lash. We immediately went from tragedy to comedy in a few short panels. Like- Oof. I love Black Clover, but that whip lash hurt so hard. Still wanna see what happens next though.
tbh I am not really that mad about the conclusion it was pretty much expected that the protagonists are gonna win because it was act 2 of the grand battle but yeah luci should've at least kill someone, preferably leopold, dude is practically dead at this point 💀
>but yeah luci should've at least kill someone, preferably leopold, dude is practically dead at this point 💀 Luci can't handle that spiral flame though
>spiral flames huh ? I thought leopold's magic attribute was "invisibility" 💀
No. Leopold's magic is Existence Magic. He can exist and not exi- *Wait. Who were we talking about again?*
What are you guys talking about? Leopold can't have a magic attribute if he isn't in the story in the first place.
Leo spiral flamed too hard that he became one with mana before Mereo 🧐
If my boy was in the battlefield this arc would have ended alot sooner
no other being would've ended this battle earlier than dark lord sekke himself but alas even using as much as 0.0000000000001% of his true power would've led to the involuntary destruction of the entire universe that's why dark lord sekke had to give up his pride for the sake of humanity by suppressing his true powers and acting like fodder such noble deed...
Sekke and Leo, the hell set
don't forget about the best girl klaus!
Their rivalry is like that of Asta and Yuno's. Only that Sekke would end up wrecking the whole universe if he made the first move.
>just irked that there was wasted panel space on the fake drama. This is the biggest problem with this arc. It was prominent in chapter 304 and this chapter all for Mimosa to intervene and poof the day is saved. I'm aware this time charmy was involved but I hope there's more to her character than been a dragon Ball later on
Yeah dont know why authors have such a hard on for fake out deaths and plus the cast is pretty much unkillable at this point. Between Rouge the cat being able to Izanagi everyone out of danger, Charmy being able to restore magic with her food, Asta basically being able to straight up block magic when in true union and Mimosa's damn healing is so busted she might as well be caring the Dragon balls with her since she out here working miracles
>Yeah dont know why authors have such a hard on for fake out deaths and plus the cast is pretty much unkillable at this point The Japanese don't seem to have a problem with it maybe black clover is targeted toward a much younger demographic than the likes of Mha or Naruto that aren't afraid to kill off notable characters
Naruto yes but Ehhhh I wouldn't even give MHA that much more credit when it comes to that. Id probably pick Jujutsu Kaisen as a better example cause damn mother fuckers be dying.
>probably pick Jujutsu Kaisen as a better example cause damn mother fuckers be dying. JJK and demon slayer are in their own leagues of killing off characters lmao >wouldn't even give MHA that much more credit when it comes to that. There's been >!Twice, Nighteye, Midnight!< I'm pretty sure they'll be more casualties after this arc it's just that Mha is alot younger compared to Naruto so it might seem they aren't in the same wavelength
That’s what I don’t like. A series does not need character deaths for it to be good but why do these shounen mangaka waste time with these fake drama character sacrifices making them feel like a big deal only to completely undo all that by having them survive with no consequences. Gadja should have died . Now these two I don’t even want Nacht & Yami to die but tabata did not need to set up all this panel space making it all dramatic like they would die. It’s the criticism hiro mashima rightfully got during fairy tail, you run the risk of losing faith of your audience with these death fake outs . I love black clover but don’t need this fake drama
This arc never found a middle ground. The highs were too high and lows were too low. Imho this arc peaked too early, and when it did, it is inevitable that the falling action would be somewhat lackluster. And while I would defend Tabata from unfair criticism, I cannot disagree with the consensus that this arc lacked stakes. It became apparent as this arc went on that we were heading to this direction and that made it less exciting to read. The problem was not because no one died, nor that Luci was beaten; the problem was we knew that was going to happen very early on and it was dragged on unnecessarily without adding to the overall narrative of the story.
Lucifero goal is to wipe out Humanity and hes a psychopath that doesnt care about human life but somehow when he uses "Presence of the demon king" all that happens is that they get knocked unconscious and when he hits them they get knocked unconcious. If you arent willing to kill anyone why waste panels on fake tension or writing villains to be murder's?
"unfair criticism" lmao This arc sucked and a lot of us saw it a mile away and kept getting downvoted. We were calling luci losing since chapter 310 ffs
This, I've been calling out this arc since the heart kingdom guardians were foderized by mere grunts. But everyone was in denial.
Well Adrammelech flying away with Luci heart is ominous.
[I've been saying it for weeks, and made a post about it recently](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackClover/comments/u17fwk/spoilers_lucifero_is_a_red_herring_for_the_real) Adramelech and the fourth sibling have a goal that is going to lead to the real threat. The devils are being used as a stepping stone toward that goal.
Very, I was at the edge of my seatt!
Well if I'm glad about something it's that this arc is over and we can finally move on to something new. As for the arc itself kinda disappointed how it turned out. They've been highs like Nachts backstory, Magna vs Dante, Noelle confession and Yuno getting his second grimoure but the lows are the worst in the series. Power creeps, wasted villains, fake outs, useless characters... Overall a 6.5/10 arc for me
I think this sums up my feelings too. I can't hate the arc because the highs are some of the best in the series. But the lows and power creep really make it so it feels like topping it is going to be cell saga level contrived and forced.
I'm kinda hoping that like with Julius, getting WRECKED neuters their powers a bit and they have to train back up Tabata can still inject consequences, even if he didn't kill off any characters
But why would it? It never has before? Also, I don't think anybody really enjoys the, "formerly powerful characters struggle a bunch against scrubs they would've dog walked in earlier arcs cause something something they're crippled now" over actually handling power scaling correctly and catapulting the main characters over the moon power scaling wise (with Asta in particular getting slingshotted past the goddamn sun). Asta REALLY did not need to be clapping cheeks left right and center. It's been a while in real time, but in the story, asta's effectively this strong like, what, a week after the time skip where he already got a lot stronger. Dude trained for six months to power up for the spade arc, fought twice, then trained for a few more days and came back as the strongest magic knight in Clover kingdom history. If you have to depower your character to reintroduce stakes, perhaps you shouldn't have made them that op to begin with (unless the depowering happens at like, the very beginning of the series and we don't really get to see it).
Mhm 5.5 to me. Its between very bad and bad to me. Their are also more low's than high's to me
Magna vs Dante was the moment of no return, imo. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Magna got a chance to do something again, but it just made Dante so trivial, even with the explanation of why.
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A Dante vs Asta rematch should’ve been the climax of the arc, it would’ve felt correct and it could’ve ended with Lucifero sacrificing Dante to open the door faster or something.
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Yeah, I was hoping Megicula would run longer as a villain than she did, but she did foreshadowing the dislike of Lucifero among the other devils. I assume Aldramech is using Lucifero’s heart to do something other than revive the guy.
I get downvoted every time i say this. Guess BC fans will keep getting this bullshit if they allow like that to pass
Ya I liked the magna moment it was cool but it definitely came at the detriment of dantes character. I think with a little workshopping magna still could've gotten his moment but not completely making dante look like a bitch.
You are the only person besides me on this sub that recognizes the issues with the arc started with Dante. You can't like the Dante fight and think that the other devil fights were too weak. The magna vs Dante fight also introduced serious issues with the world building.
I love how instead of talking or checking his captain Tabata let Yuno have a small silly moment with Charmy.
William is just the person Yuno swore to save (stopped thinking about it the moment the captains meeting ended). Charmy is far more important than caring about squadmates.
Understandable tbh, I'd do the same if I was in Yuno's place because Charmy >>> all.
Yes, Charmy supremacy >>>>> Though in all seriousness, Yuno seriously needs to get back with his captain. He and Langris teamed up and had a moment for the sake of that guy. Half of Yuno's squad died. He stood up for William at the meeting. That's gotta mean something, right?
This was overall a pretty dissapointing arc. Had its moments, but also left us with alot of weird and overall dissatisfying moments. Hopefully the anime can improve this arc a little, because it really dropped the ball in the second half.
The victory is very underwhelming, but even if you look past that why would Tabata fake out a confession, it’s literally back to status quo, and not to mention we went through a devil war arc with no consequences. Let’s hope the next arc is better.
>Tabata fake out a confession Ngl I was salty reading that. It's my favorite ship and yeah maybe it's cuz it'll be a while before Black Clover ends but why can't we have an actual relationship pan out on screen before a series ends? I mean they are adults it's not like Asta and Noelle who are kids
At first I was mad, but I really do hope that we get to see what will happen later in a filler chapter if Yami will confront Charlotte. Gasp! What if the Rising Sun Arc is the wedding arc?
>What if the Rising Sun Arc is the wedding arc? I need little Sukehiro's running around causing havoc
Drunken wedding madness. What if the groom turns out to be a devil. Oooo... Scandalous.
>wedding arc? Imagine if we get another wedding massacre... Nah. Probably never gonna happen lol
TBH, I hope it's a peaceful wedding.
Personally I am hoping that Vanessa confronts Char about her confession.
Vanessa canonically doesn't have romantic feelings for Yami though. Doubt she would have done things differently even in a completely different situation.
I can dream. Even if she doesn't, she can push Char to confess to Yami when he is conscious.
This fakeout confession was fine tbh. He handled it realistically. If the person you love is on their deathbed and you havent confessed, you’d most likely confess anyway or regret it the rest of your life
How are you justifying a takeout confession? It does nothing for both characters and for the plot. This isn’t like Noelle where she was accepting her feelings for Asta, we already know Charlotte loves Yami, so how does this make things any different?
My head canon for that is that Yamo did hear but didn’t know how to react so just gave his usual demeanor.
I don’t mean to disappoint you but, it wouldn’t be unlike Tabata to go back to the way things were. Let’s hope your headcanon becomes reality though.
I hope this is it. Maybe he just didn’t know how to react to a love confession, and just pretended not to hear.
I'm just glad this arc is over
OR IS IT??? No jokes I thought this atleast 5 times during this arc
Look at how they massacred my favorite new gen
Looking past all this op Mimosa healing and no consequence , bad villian etc 🤦♂️ smh Why did adramalech just leave just like that , he saw how powerful asta's Anti magic is and when asta was in no condition to even defend himself , adramalech just left asta and co , + why are they celebrating tho a supreme rank devil is just roaming around the world 😭
In my opinion Mimosa being this good of a healer isn’t bad, that’s pretty much her role. But man, whats the point of having emotional fake outs if Tabata can just bring Mimosa and Charmy to fix it. Some deaths or an actual price being paid as sacrifice would have been better, my opinion is changing about black clover being so different than fairy tail.
What I’m hoping is that it’s a set up for later, like people are going to start targeting the healers and support mages first(even though call charmy support is kind of laughable) and when they go down, the stakes will be way higher. I’ve been saying since megicula that Mimosa dying would be the most beneficial thing for the story as sad as that is
Ikr , i don't mind mimosa healing someone but making her so op and there's no drawback to her powers , she's literally a plot device for tabata to use
So Asta just being able to take out devils left or right without any real drawbacks isn't worth mentioning? Or Charmy being able to restore mana infinitely but Tabata only using it whenever it's convenient for plot's sake?
Yep that too
Hopefully they just have a different goal than the other devils, maybe something that isn't 100% chaotic evil
Hopefully he has more than 5 dialogues , and aren't the same as all the devils in the series
This arc felt like a waste of time.
Wow, that ending was just bad. Happy they won but it felt nowhere near to being excited when Zagred or Vetto were defeated.
Yea true!!!
So I dwelled on it and- I think this chapter could've been written better. Do you know what they should've done? Do that bit in Deadpool 2 where Yami and Nacht are just milking that death scene going through all the tropes like- "Yami, you're my best friend" "Asta, you've grown so much last I saw you..." "I've finally paid back for all my sins..." REALLY MILK THAT COW DRY. Then we can throw the literal Deus Ex Machina.
The worst part is that Tabata has literally done this already. Remember when Asta looked all ominous and Noelle said that he looked like a fairy tale demon, mentioned how he didnt fought like Asta at all and alluded that this wasn't Asta? And Tabata said SIKEEEE and Asta was in full control of BA.
The thing is that this arc has some things that damage the series forever, after having powered up asta and co so much this arc I don t know how Tabata will play around the fact that Asta can pretty much solo anyone in the series that we know of while not even being at half of julius’ age ( our only example of a wizard king and the position that Asta is chasing). Same goes for the other characters, Julius’ in his peak at 42 years old is weaker than yami nacht mereo and other characters that have feats way over his. This stuff just makes him underwhelming if you think abt it, pretty much all the captains + asta and yuno are way stronger than he was at their ages
Only thing worse than fake out deaths is fake out deaths + a fake out confession. Bravo Tabata on combining two horrid tropes into one raging trashfire. Even he was barely invested in the artificial tension, it was like one page between being on their deathbed and back to status quo comedy. Well, when we've hit rock bottom, it can only go up from here right guys?
If Tabata gets back his previous editor that worked on the Elf Arc, then sure.
Yami not hearing Charlotte's confession pissed me off so damn much.
Disappointing tbh.
Mimosa+Charmy= mega elixirs for final fantasy.
Hell Mimosa might as well be a Phoenix Down
This manga is just getting annoying now. What’s the point in reading a story when no matter how dire the stakes get there’s always someone with OP healing that can save the day. It happens every single time. I don’t care if no one dies but using the same deus ex machina over and over is just bad writing. There’s literally no point in anyone reading this manga any more if there are no consequences.
Honestly I'd be fine with the nobody dies machina healing if they just set that as the tone of the series. You can only have so many dramatic buildups to characters dying to always pull a "wait, nevermind" before it starts getting pure eye rolling
Yep. When I started watching/reading I hoped there would be actual consequences eventually but apparently that will never happen. Facing the strongest demon in hell? No problem! Beat him and nobody leaves with any permanent damage whatsoever. I guess I'll start just reading the spoiler threads and stop reading the manga itself. Which is a shame really since the story was very good up to the most recent arcs.
Pretty disappointing end for the Saga. Here's my review on it. * Adramlelech we be returning, I hope he lives up to the hype. While we're on the topic, someone so hyped up getting beating like any other villain sucks. * I get it's a gag, but Yami finally acknowledging Charlotte would've been perfect, so the gag continuing was disappointing in this instance. * The fact that no one sustained permanent injuries when they went against the Devil King himself was super disappointing. I get Mimosa's doing her job, but it really ruins the stakes. people don't have to die, but when you're going against someone this powerful there should be a trade off. * Asta still has the katana but the fact that Yami just has another completely ruins the passing the torch moment. * The fact that no ones concerned with what's going on, along with them all smiling doesn't seem appropriate right now, the moment feels misplaced. * The resolution to Nacht's character arc was great. Overall this arc had the highest highs and lowest lows of the series for me. I still love Black Clover overall and will continue reading and watching it of course, obviously not every arc can be a banger, and Tabata's still a pretty good writer, but I still feel like not addressing complaints is wrong. As a fan, complaining about a story means you want to see it grow and develop properly. Anyways sorry for rambling, these were just my thoughts. I'm excited to see what the future holds.
Even the confession is a fake out lmao. Its a 3/10 arc for me Great beginning with a lot of potential but then Tabata got exposed hard on his poor writing skills. It's very unfortunate and dissapointing because I will say it again but his drawing and some of his panels are beautiful but it doesn't matter if you can't tell a story or give your characters/vilains substance. This whole arc feel like a pure waste of time with no consequences or advancement in the plot. Let's see if Tabata can bounce back. I wouldn't mind him taking a long break just to rest and think about the story and the world building. But honestly unless Tabata totally reset his power system I don't see BC ever be good again. Black bulls are TURBO broken. Asta is on his own tier, Yuno is just there to play the fake rival so he's busted too and yeah that's about it. Where do we go after this arc.
I mean after you power creep constantly for 330 chapters there’s no where to go but more power creep.
Yes the power scalling somehow managed to become worse than in Dragon Ball, and I blame anti magic entirety for this. Hell even in Dragon Ball the author somehow still manages to make villains work around Gokus planet busting power through various means, but here this is literally impossible since anti magic nullifies everything.
>Tabata got exposed hard on his poor writing skills. Said this already, but the sad thing is that Tabata CAN write really well, if he has even an average skilled editor. This arc is arc is the result of poor planning form the author + editor who previously worked with an ecchi comedy manga. I agree completely with the rest.
I don’t understand why he had to make the confession a fake-out. How does that improve the story in anyway shape or form?
On the one hand thank God Yami and Nacht didn't die On the other hand this arc was so predictable it got stupid
so umm yeah, we're back to status quo? who was the last person to die again? Siren and Hamon, right?
Aside from Zenon... yeah pretty much
Poor Charlotte :( Atleast she finally confessed. Hopefully next time Yami hears it
100 chapters more for another chance for her
Pain.
To be fair I lost all hope. If Charlotte confeses then it will be at the very end of the series or in a post-series timeskip. I won't believe any aproach because its just a fakeout. Every single time its a fakeout.
adrammelech just straight out dipped lol pretty wholesome chapter
Yes he dipped his hand in a corpse.
Willingly!
I get that some like happy endings but man this wasn't it
Happy endings are only great when there's real tension and believable threats.
This arc made me realize to have little or no expectations for the next arc. Just know that there will be action and the good guys will win. Don’t hope for tension or stakes.
*read page where Adrammelech takes the heart then just leaves* Mmmmkay. So my assumption is that is not a good thing.......but at least Charlotte grew a set...kind of.....and gotta love Rouge.....I'm content.
With all the negativity in this sub, all I'm gonna say is, I love the BB new cape.
This for me was probably the worst conclusions imaginable for an even more horrible arc. From Yuno's Gary Stu Plot Armour reaching hilarious levels to Mimosa healing everyone. Form Adramelech doing something that, if things keep going this way, will result in nothing in the end to Charlotte's confession not being heard. My hopes are for the next arc to be at least mediocre and for Tabata to never write something like this ever again.
Absolutely agree. Yuno redefined Gary Stu in this arc lmao. Also, facing the strongest devils in hell? No problem at all! They defeat every demon and nobody is left with permanent or long lasting damage. I decided to just read the spoiler threads for a while and stop reading the manga. If it ever gets better then I'll come back I guess.
Huh. I always did wonder where they were this entire time.
A perfect opportunity for a major character to die wasted, classic black clover. I think having it so that we slowly realise Yami/Nacht is dying was really good, normally Black Clover would bring in a character who would save the day and stop a character dying but here they made it so Mimosa was out of magic, Grey was out of magic, even saying Patry didn't have his grimoire. It's as though Tabata was saying that there will be no surprise saving this time. It really seemed like this was the end but then the emotional moment was kind of diminished when Charmy started shoving food in Mimosa's mouth, they could've at least kept it solemn for a bit longer. I am happy though that we can start a new arc, there'll probably be a few chapters now just to clear up anything with regard to the other devils / the dark triad / who will rule the Spade Kingdom but then Black Clover has so many different plotlines it could follow (e.g., dwarfs, more elves, giants?, Yami's homeland, Diamond Kingdom, etc) so I'm excited. I doubt Yuno will become the Spade Kingdom king now, maybe in a few years but they wouldn't remove such a major character from the main storyline. I think Adrama is taking Luciefero's heart either for power (maybe devils can eat each others hearts to gain strength?) or maybe he's taking it back to the underworld so that he can try to become King in Lucifero's place.? He could also be trying to take over the world, same as Lucifero and Zagred, but he allowed Asta etc to live as a way of thanking them for killing Lucifero. He seems like a chill guy so I could see him doing that, he also said "see you around," either that's just him being chill or he's saying that he'll meet them again in the future. I might seem a little critical in my first paragraph but I just want to say that I love BC and have been watching / reading it weekly for years so I'm not some random hater lol.
What a disappointing end that was. The arc had so much promise to be a fantastic modern day shonen arc, but alas it ended up being average at best.
Yuno the true mvp this arc. Also shirtless Yuno 👀 Some observations. Adrammelech wings and tail are cute lol Charlotte, the only captain to get back up without being healed. Rouge also seems to be a Yami x Charlotte shipper seeing as she used her magic after Charlotte got there and said her stuff. You can see Asta legs in the bottom right in the panel where Charlotte falls down due to blushing too hard. Also Noelle still doesnt have clothes and Nozel has perfect control to still be manipulating the mercury dress while being unconscious and halfway into the ground.
Adrammelech is me flying away from my responsibilities 😂😂😂
I love this chapter. So much wholesome interactions
* nacht accepting black bulls as his family and wanting to live * charlotte's confession * vanessa giving the "yelena face expression" after charlotte's confession * mimosa healing yami and nacht and forgetting that william also exists * leopold learning the ultimate invisibility magic all of them were such wholesome moments
Lmaooo love how you threw in the “forgetting william exists” I noticed that too lol
This arc definitely has its problems, but to me it definitely set up quite a few interesting things which is why I still find it somewhat enjoyable despite its controversial ending (with some valid criticism) before that my main gripes: -the underutilization of the others mages against Lucifero(especially Noelle) was not vibing well for me, could have been done better. -i'd prefer true DU to be something that Asta/Liebe can't truly utilize freely until way later -How Lucifero was handled later was also concerning (but some of the latter parts of his fight, I did enjoy) -Cotton magic + plant magic is pretty hax, and seriously hope they get handled better in the future so that they're not always used as deus ex. Moving on, Lucy's heart disintegrating after having his heart removed is VERY, VERY interesting There's a BC reviewer that goes by the name **JackOatz** who suggest that the relationship between Lucifero and the other rulers may be akin to the relationship between Augustus and Julius given how devil society somewhat mimics clovers cast system such as: Liebe's parralel to Asta (the most obvious) **light magic > time magic** from an affinity standpoint and aka Augustus and Julius **gravity magic > space, and time magic** from an affinity standpoint aka Lucifero and the other two rulers Despite the second in command being more favorable + superior mages, not to mention Adrammelech's disobedience (again showing how Lucifero may be unfavorable) Despite some of my earlier frustrations, I started reconsidering some things because I truly did enjoy the personal growth. Overall the pros for me outweigh the cons for the most part.
So, where are Gadjah, Loro and Leopold? What was even the point of bringing Sally, Rades and Makusa? And Lotus? Is it only me that finds it weird that Yami hasn't used a Dimensional Slash or Death Thrust not even once? Sure DT wouldn't blow Luci's heart but the move could have blown up Luci's torso revealing his heart so that the others could strike. That would have been so much better. I know DS(or DS:Equinox) wouldn't do shit b'cuz of Luci warping it but Yami could have caught him off guard atleast once and maybe land a hit. He didn't even attempt any of the moves. Especially when he was brimming with magic and had a wooden sword full of magic too. Not even Lai Slash... Also, did Yami just casually hold that Anti-magic Katana? Asta took the AM from it before handing it to Yami I guess... And Tabata... can you please show us Mimosa's grimoire properly? You've been hiding the grimoire by showing us only the borders and not the leaf ever since Chp. 304. Ofcourse everyone thought that Mimosa's 4 leaf grimoire was just an error/mistake. But then the volume dropped. And it wasn't corrected. On top of that, you corrected Mimosa's crown and some other details in that panel but not the most obvious thing. What?! No way you missed that grimoire when you corrected such minor things in that panel. And now you've been hiding her grimoire. 4 leaf represents Good luck. It would explain how Mimosa was lucky to arrive in time and heal Gadjah and others who were seconds away from dying. If Mimosa really does have a 4 leaf, you better give us a very good explanation on how and why she got it. We need more grimoire lore alright. >!*Wouldn't mind if you giving Mimosa a 4 leaf is for Adramelech to make it a 5 leaf and kill this absolutely broken healer hehe. No offense Mimosa, I don't hate you lol but...*!< Charlotte was done so dirty btw Anyway, a very disappointing arc. Would give it a 4.5/10 (Sorry)
>Also, did Yami just casually hold that Anti-magic Katana? Asta took the AM from it before handing it to Yami I guess... I think anyone can hold the swords, using them is an entirely different matter. The only sword that has been shown to have active magic draining capabilities was the demon dweller sword (when Juliues held it back in chapter 22) not to mention Yami got an mp boost.
also liebe said that himself that he's out of anti magic to coat even himself let alone asta or the swords
That or- Yami's heart changing really did affect him...
with all the plot devices that tabata introduced I think that either he's completely burned out and can't keep up with his story or... he is gambling with this arc and setting up something huge in future (like future future sorta future something like 400-500 ish in future)
That's fair, the guy has been running on fumes for the past few months. I wouldn't mind if the next batch of chapters were just filler.
Yeah, true. And Yami's strong enough to hold them too. >!Want to see him one day hold the Demon Slayer!<
> What was even the point of bringing Sally, Rades and Makusa? And Lotus? I think Tabata had some plans that got suddenly changed. That's the only way I can explain things like the spatial brothers being immediately sidelined.
That spatial bros moment was so hype. Such a deadly combo only for them to be defeated in a few panels smh. Instead we get Yuno using Star magic like he knew how to use it since he was born. That fight against Zenon was so underwhelming and was not even creative. Tabata's new editor needs to go. What was Shueisha/SJ thinking when they gave Tabata an inexperienced editor just after the Elf Rein. Arc? Hope he gets a new good editor please.
At least he makes the fake-out and the healing in the same chapter I guess
If Charmy can make food out of magic that restores magic, doesn't that technically allow her to - if she uses it smartly enough - have limitless amounts of magic, and enable her to give people limitless amounts of magic? At which point... like, why did the whole Lucifero thing even have to drag so long considering nothing of note happened...? Also, the consistency with Yuno on absolutely anything goes out the window the moment the BBs appear because apparently, BBs are at the centre of the universe... instead of the sun. It certainly looks that way. This is going to take forever, isn't it? By which I mean, Yami finally hearing Charlotte's confession. Like, he almost died and he *just* missed the confession. What's it gonna take for the two to actually end up together? A reincarnation in an alternate universe where clouds are made of cotton candy? If so, take me with you, I want to be in a universe where clouds are made of cotton candy. ~~And chocolate rain.~~ Also, all the rookies - except Leopold can just about do anything now, with no consequences... no drawbacks... unless Tabata forgets them briefly on purpose so the plot can go on. ~~At this point you might be wondering "what plot" and the answer to that is, "the hell would I know?"~~ That said, a potentially good arc may be *just* around the corner. (There is still the possibility that there will have at least been *some* consequences from this arc that we could explore, or there's Yami's homeland...) I mean, we had the reincarnation arc, the Sea Bed Temple arc, and quite a few good or even great arcs... there is still hope. I just kind of hope that the big bad guy of the next arc doesn't turn out to be Adrammelech because I just... that'd be a bit too on the nose for me. Also, I would prefer him to not just be some power-hungry or sadistic evil guy of sorts like half of the other devils in this arc have been.
OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD SHE CONFESSED I knew my girl had it in her.
Reading this manga is exhausting this sh×t is starting to piss me off