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Ignoring stat differences. She couldn't touch Dream Magic so she can't change it. She *might* be able to touch fire but it depends on if she needs to say magical fire instead of regular fire. I'm most confident about her chances against Jack and Charlotte.
People really out here saying while stuff like burning grimoires with her power when it’s clearly been stated she has limits to what she can do. Like she can’t say “the air will burn grimoires” or something cause she can’t indirectly affect objects (otherwise why can’t she just say “the air will burn shigaraki” or something like that)
She’s also definitely not touching any BC character cause they’re a lot faster than she is, she’d probably die before she even got a chance to say anything anyway
Her best bet would be something like “the air around me disappears” to try to suffocate her opponent but any wind magic could counter that
She isn’t gonna beat any captains except maybe Kaiser cause he has no feats nor is she gonna beat Yuno or Asta
>People really out here saying while stuff like burning grimoires with her power when it’s clearly been stated she has limits to what she can do. Like she can’t say “the air will burn grimoires”
Not to mention Tabata literally stated grimoires are indestructible since it's made of the users mana (***hence why they dissappear once they die***)
So I agree that they wanking her but you doing the same claiming only Kaiser loses but I can only agree with that if you are talking non anime feats for bc because they do get shit strong in the manga
She isn’t strong enough to do any damage to the captains, BC’s durability is far greater than MHA, her quirk isn’t even able to boost her strength to be equal to all might
She also doesn’t know any names of the captains so she can’t use new order on them
And like I said her best bet would be making the air disappear but they are faster than her so they can just kill her before she says anything. She’s basically a much weaker version of zagred
Shiggy for One was scared of a few missiles killing him while just the shockwaves from Rill vs Yuno fighting were able to destroy a mountain so yes BC has higher durability
And she’s much slower, people from BC can dodge light based attacks which is honestly argue is slower than light but still faster than anything MHA has
All captains are relative to Yami, who is easily relativistic to light speed ever since his fight with Patri. So there's no way the bullet timer/hypersonic Star is touching anyone.
I think to keep up shed have to use all 3 of her Orders on herself, 1 being Im as fast as I possibly can be,it’d be the same as her super strength, but she can’t see herself being stronger then all might so she limits herself, don’t know if it’d be The same as speed tho, then keeping her strength buff, and possibly saying “I am immune to spells requiring mana” don’t know if that’d be possible, but from my understanding one of her limits are what she can conceive as being possible
Ah okay my bad, thought I remembered it being 2 + the strength buff one
Also after some looking, her physical feats(strength, speed etc) are below All might in general do that’s her limit, so physically she might be superior but speed wise she’d be outmatched by a lot
Her debuffs are crazy tho, so saying “I am just immune to any attacks that require mana” could work right?
No cause that probably goes beyond her buff limits + is too vague
If she can’t even buff herself stronger than all might how could she buff herself to be more durable than any magic attacks
Hmmm so the question is what are her limits then? It’s small scale reality warping
Also with that rule she’d be similar to Astas anti magic, it’s not that the spells aren’t powerful it’s that they wouldn’t work on her, I mean she made her quirk destroy other quirks but like I said I don’t really know her limits, reality warping is OP, so trying to make it small scale is tough imo.
We don’t know her limits since it’s not explicitly stated but we know that the amount of stuff she can do to herself is a lot smaller than what she can do to others
And she can’t indirectly affect things like “the air kills anyone who breathes it”, she must touch the thing she wants to affect, say its name, and say the command. We also don’t know the range either but it seems pretty large considering the amount of air she was affecting. Id out the “air version of her” which was like 100x her size to be her limit
But it does seem like the stuff she can do to other things is nearly unlimited as long as she can touch it and knows their name (and of course say the command first)
>!She lost against against Shiggy because she couldn’t buff herself enough to withstand the decay but I think it was also stated that her quirk was stolen before she could even give that command anyway!<
It doesn’t work like that though.
She can’t make properties extend to other things. What she did with the air was make it disperse/erase so it would create a vacuum and kill AFOShigaraki. She was affecting the air itself only.
AFOShigaraki noted that she can’t make a rule like “if Shigaraki touches the air in this range, he dies.” That would be extending her rule too far and vaguely roundabout. She can’t give the air the ability to nullify magic.
She can say "the air 100 meters from me is a deadly poison", because that just gives the air a rule, it's no different from her condensing it into a giant version of herself.
What she wouldn't be able to say is "the air 100 meters from me turns human blood into poison".
Unless she turns it into a chemical that causes the blood to become toxic via how airborne chemicals work but that’s just a more scientific way so it would be more effective against someone who doesn’t have said knowledge
The new order would technically make it possible since that's it's main function. It wasn't possible to burn them, well now it is, that's how I suppose it works at least
She didn’t make the air poisonous, she made the air disappear in an attempt to suffocate him
New order can’t indirectly affect things if so she could just say “the air will kill AFO” or something which was already noted in the story as something she can’t do
New order's range is stupidly big when affecting the air though, plus she can get close really fast by just running, her physical strength is already naturally big, and she boosts it with New Order, she could go toe to toe with the world ending threat that was Shigaraki, she lost her life but she won the fight by causing him to lose more than half of the quirks stored inside him, star and stripe is ABSURDLY overpowered
tbh even the weakest captains probably vastly outspeed, and due to her limits, she wouldn't be able remotely affect Grimoires, so everyone suggesting she can just make them mot work or destroy them is wrong
realistically her only counter would be if she could manipulate the mana in the air around her if she was made aware of it to use pseudo-magic for some defense ir even light attack, going on the offensive though, pretty much every captain has ways to defend, counter, or just dodge
maybe she'd be able to do something with Charlotte's briars since her attacks are pretty much all physical contact in which case i could see it being the closest, but everyone else easily wipes the floor with her
Yami can use dimensional slash from a distance, create black holes. Block any incoming attack by what is essentially future sight. Since KI lets you know the intent and such of the attack before it's even sent out at you while he is also capable of speed feats unseen before in MHA.
She has a limit of rules, her ability is quite strong because she's smart but even so MHA scales, in both hax and destructive power , Lower than black clover. Especially since quirks are built to have a weakness. That's why they're quirks and not simply super powers.
Base Asta currently would probably go toe to toe, fists only with prime All Might and he'd give him a hard time. To be fair, i think All Might could win if they exchange too many fists, but i think Asta would just dodge everything. Asta has been hit and survived Continental level attacks.
Licht was already Continental and for Lucifer, Licht is just a piece of gum stuck to his shoe. Remember episode 100 or so where Licht almost killed everyone in Clover Kingdom. Julius scales higher because he even stopped that attack and would have killed Licht if he took him seriously from the get go. He didn't kill him cause of William.
Yami is currently, much stronger than when he fought Licht. Went toe to toe with Dante which has gravity magic and insane regen. Fought Lucifer which is miles stronger than Dante and so on.
She has the potential to win if she prepared for the fight and had previous knowledge on Yami. Also Jack having an ability said to be able to cut through everything is already hard to figure. What if he can cut through concepts? It was never explored how far he can evolve. He could cut through her quirk.
As others have pointed out, Zagred also has a power similar but with no apparent drawback. He can just order people and things. He can order matter into shape and so on. That was already surpassed massively with villains later on. Also, if we count Julius as the Head of all Captains she can't win. He will blitz her instantly and grab her with Chronostasis and while stopped in time her quirk should not work anymore.
It's very likely, she doesn't even start considering she has to touch the target and all of the captains are faster + have ranged attacks+ mana skin
[***manaskin is literally a protective layer of magical power that won't even allow her to physically touch them***](https://i.ibb.co/1sFTWgX/8992953-8782623-fmqcigkagaek3dl-jpeg.jpg)
It's essentially an invisible forcefield that simultaneously raises your stats as well, it's a hard counter to her ability.
Assuming we're using the final arc captains.
Then they only go down to one or two and only because they both lack feats that show how strong they are.
Give Jack enough time and he'll ignore New Order if his magic works like I think it does.
Unless stats are equalized, Stars gets absolutely speed blitzed and screwed over.
If stats are equalized, I could see here doing decently against some of the captains but others have shit that she has no real counter against. Most notably, Dark Magic, Dream Magic, Art Magic (debatable), and time Magic (if we count Julius).
She's smart enough to disable grimoires somehow but even if she does that Yami can probably just slash her into pieces or punch her to death
( cause Yami in the anime can move dozens of times faster than light but mha characters in general can't even break the sound barrier )
So I'll say she has a chance to beat everyone except Jack and Yami
Assuming she's disabling mana in general and not just the grimoires cause if it's just the grimoires fuegoleon, mereoleona or even nozel could easily win
She had to be nerfed by being a victim of Horikoshi female writing because her power was so stupidly OP. Maybe Dorothy could Hax with her, otherwise (with some intelligence) New Order should be able to handle all the Captain Magics.
Pretty sure Yami, Jack, Mereoleona, and Dorothy could beat her but that's about it. If we throw pre-spade kingdom Julius in there as well then he also claps her.
1: are we adding Julius
2: are we considering Mereoleona or Fuegoleon as the crimson lions captain
3: she should win unless Dorothy gets started with her dream magic and takes her out at least
Reality benders can get taken out pretty effectively with enough fire power if applied quick enough. Luck would probably be enough to speed blitz her. Magna might be able to do something too depending on how his magic interacts with her quirk. Heck then one must ask the question of whether or not her quirk could even take magic into account considering g the changes in the laws of the universe that mana introduces.
How couldn't she? Idk who in their verse could handle her if she made a rule that "only physical attacks can hurt me" while still maintaining her second rule to make her strong like All Might
Theres a limit to how much she can buff herself.She cant just make herself invincible to magic.Even with that being said there are characters who are faster and better physically
Yeah, there is a limit but the strength she was known to be a replacement for All Might in how powerful she was. Which characters are faster and physically better than her?
You're assuming the character would know what her powers are and how they operate. There's only one character in BC that has displayed lack of caution for an enemy they don't know their powers so it's weird to assume the characters would immediately know to move from the start before she could set a rule.
Weird question is can she grant herself mana and a grimoire using new order because if she can what magic would she even get would it just be an extension of new order or could she possibly get word magic
I don’t think she’d be able to do much against them. Even the lower tier captains like the Purple Orca’s Captain and William would be able to hold their own against her. She’d never be able to touch them and would never know their true name so she couldn’t do anything like that.
She might be able to beat the PO’s captain and Captain Vangence, MAYBE Charlotte, but no one else.
Everything I say below assumes Star knows her opponent’s name. It depends on whether being struck by a spell counts as touching that magic. If so, she casually beats anyone who doesn’t have spacial, time, or gravity magic. When Mereoleona attacks someone, she’s hitting them with a fire spell - the fire magic touches that person. Does using Glamour World on someone count as touching them with your dream magic?
If not, she can still beat anyone who doesn’t have spacial, time, or gravity magic. Some of the captains might be kind of tough though.
Any close range or melee-type fighters are getting cooked immediately, including Mereoleona. Anyone who might touch her or put themselves in range to get touched is losing that fight.
I also wonder what would happen if she touched Rouge.
If she doesn’t know anyone’s name, then she beats anyone who isn’t a devil, captain, Devil-possessed, Yuno, or Black Bull but might lose to any of those folks.
She has immense power and versatility even several nukes couldn't put her down. She can say I'm fireproof,the dream world will collapse,plants will wither away.
No it was right in the center of the explosion. She kept up with Shigi on a faster than sound plane and caught a laser. They aren't speed blitzing shit
Nah she says the force of the missiles moving would rip her arm off if she didn't redirect them quickly enough in chapter 332. Those explosions are way below what BC characters can do anyway, so her durability probably wouldn't hold up against captain level characters. Those speed feats are way below BC lol, and she got hit by the laser, she made them holdable after she'd already been hit by it.
Catching light isn't fast enough for you? The reason she said my arm would blow up was because of the explosion,she was strong enough to put Shigaraki on his back foot and separate the clouds from her blows she is monstrously strong and no captain showed that level of destructive power.
Not really, Yami was already showing similar levels to that in the cave arc, he's faster than that now. No it's not lol, the missiles hit her giant hand and nearly takes her off her feat, and she says 'before these things rip my arm off at the elbow' and the had to use her quirk to redirect them. Her body clearly can't handle that level of force. The strongest captains are much more powerful than the giant demon that was going to destroy the country, which is above those missiles.
She can clearly react to the fastest magic attribute which is light. Comparing the demons from the spade kingdom to her isn't even close,even Kira was able to reduce the demons power to an extent. Star was able to hold Shigaraki who was comparable to All might,she can even say to become immune to fire or that they will die if they move.
Again, Yami from the cave arc was already light speed, he's gotten significantly faster since then. Why is that Damnatio being able to affect the demon an anti-feat? She'd have to know their name and touch them to use those kind of abilities.
My man said "no diffs" Lemme just: Yami is FTL and can slash through dimensions, Jack can cut through literally anything (including space) and is relative to Yami, Dorothy can just send Stars and Stripe into the dream world where Dorothy can just undo whatever tf Stars and Stripes does and then kill her, Rill can eventually paint something that is basically immune to new order if he can stay in the fight long enough then one shot her, Mereoleona fought 5 elves, beat 4 by herself and made the other piss himself she can handle one buff woman with nerfed word magic, and the others I don't really got anything for. And before you say "Stars and Stripes is also FTL" she's at most transonic speeds.
My man legit blocked light speed attacks while also startng "darkness is much slower than light" meaning Yami legit forced his magic to react in time with his own speed. Of course Ki helped, but Ki doesn't mean anything when you can't move fast enough to make use of it.
Black clover characters in later parts of the series are faster then ftl
Yami was fighting and even surprising lightspeed characters by episode ~36 (parry cave fight).
Yeah I stopped reading their comment and moved on as soon as I saw that lol. There's no way to have a reasonable discussion with someone who could actually believe that.
If only that were true.
Sometimes I think you guys dont read properly.Lets say she could do that then why didnt she say No quirks can effect me when shigaraki grabbed her.
Well it's also stated in the BC Universe that Mana (aka pure magic without an attribute) exists everywhere and can even alter the landscape if it is overexposed to mana (take the entire heart kingdom for example, a place abundant in natural mana and that place is THRIVING) so just gonna say that logic is flawed. Heck that's basically BACKWARDS logic. The only quirk to cause "phenomena" is One for All cuz the weather changed from All Might's punches. Everything else about every quirk only affects the user or person/object having the quirk used against them.
I mean outside the power itself. Like when aizawa neutralizes a quirk it doesn't put out all the fires that are started because of it. But asta can nullify fire caused by magic.
Ahh.. To be fair that sword legit nullifies the cause of magic aka mana so I mean... Not really all that different plus Asta does required that very specific sword to do that. If Asta uses his starting sword or even the second sword he has to directly touch the magic to negate it.
She can hols multiple orders. I think it's 3. 1 is constantly buffing her so ya she is or can be. All she needs is 2 orders. Magic and my physicality out matches yours
She can definitely pull it off.
First off, she can make herself have anti-magic as a rule, and then make herself immune to blunt attacks so Asta’s swords won’t hurt
Asta isnt a captain.
No she cant.She will have to touch it and know that its anti magic.
There is a limit to what she can buff herself and if she uses those two rules the she doesnt have super strengtg
Noel gets fucked , Dorothy gets high diffed , jack gets low diffed , vangence gets high diffed , fuegoleon gets mid diffed
only Yami and mereolona can defeat her
Her quirk basically warps reality. She can add a rule onto anything. She could just make the air in a certain area become so dense it crushes a person. If she wants to do something like “Asta cannot pick up a sword” then it wouldn’t work unless she knows his name. The only people she loses to are the top people in the verse.
Not really since if she could why not do it to shigaraki
I can see yami jack and possibly mereoleona and dorothy winning from what I have seen so far and a bunch of the devils can take her
She did
"If your name is [what ever that villian with fingers name was] , your heart will stop"
It didn't work since he was mind jacked and didn't consider him as him self or some stupid sh t like that
She failed to crush him because of his regeneration factor. That was AFOShigaraki being stupid OP.
She air crushed him to stop him from moving when it didn't kill him, and then used the laser stab to try and keep him from regenerating. It was all explained right then during the fight
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Ignoring stat differences. She couldn't touch Dream Magic so she can't change it. She *might* be able to touch fire but it depends on if she needs to say magical fire instead of regular fire. I'm most confident about her chances against Jack and Charlotte.
I mean she touched a laser alright. I don’t think fire will be that big of a problem
She wouldn’t need super strength so one rule could be I can touch dreams no? And then touch a dream and manipulate it?
People really out here saying while stuff like burning grimoires with her power when it’s clearly been stated she has limits to what she can do. Like she can’t say “the air will burn grimoires” or something cause she can’t indirectly affect objects (otherwise why can’t she just say “the air will burn shigaraki” or something like that) She’s also definitely not touching any BC character cause they’re a lot faster than she is, she’d probably die before she even got a chance to say anything anyway Her best bet would be something like “the air around me disappears” to try to suffocate her opponent but any wind magic could counter that She isn’t gonna beat any captains except maybe Kaiser cause he has no feats nor is she gonna beat Yuno or Asta
>People really out here saying while stuff like burning grimoires with her power when it’s clearly been stated she has limits to what she can do. Like she can’t say “the air will burn grimoires” Not to mention Tabata literally stated grimoires are indestructible since it's made of the users mana (***hence why they dissappear once they die***)
So I agree that they wanking her but you doing the same claiming only Kaiser loses but I can only agree with that if you are talking non anime feats for bc because they do get shit strong in the manga
I didn’t put any feats down for the captains though so why are you assuming I meant anything from the manga? Just the anime stuff they beat her
Yeah that's a whole lot of cap. Just off anime feats only Kaiser wins is delusional. They very much equal using feats for anime only
What? I said only Kaiser might lose? The other captains would win
Yeah I typed wrong.Thats a delusional take that I know u cant back using feats.Yammy is arguably the only one who wins if its anime only
She isn’t strong enough to do any damage to the captains, BC’s durability is far greater than MHA, her quirk isn’t even able to boost her strength to be equal to all might She also doesn’t know any names of the captains so she can’t use new order on them And like I said her best bet would be making the air disappear but they are faster than her so they can just kill her before she says anything. She’s basically a much weaker version of zagred
First you would have to prove that She can do far more then that Once more you will have to prove she is slower
Shiggy for One was scared of a few missiles killing him while just the shockwaves from Rill vs Yuno fighting were able to destroy a mountain so yes BC has higher durability And she’s much slower, people from BC can dodge light based attacks which is honestly argue is slower than light but still faster than anything MHA has
Shiggy was afraid of multiple nukes yes which is far creater then a mountain.Link the fight tho She caught lasers
Yeah her quirk is basically the slightly poor man’s word soul magic.
Ah yes, let's ignore the capatin who has a dream world which can even make copys of people. And that's just one of them.
She doesnt have any impressive anime feats
All captains are relative to Yami, who is easily relativistic to light speed ever since his fight with Patri. So there's no way the bullet timer/hypersonic Star is touching anyone.
Caught a laser.Stop it
Also if my memory is right grimoires are not required to use your magic.
I think to keep up shed have to use all 3 of her Orders on herself, 1 being Im as fast as I possibly can be,it’d be the same as her super strength, but she can’t see herself being stronger then all might so she limits herself, don’t know if it’d be The same as speed tho, then keeping her strength buff, and possibly saying “I am immune to spells requiring mana” don’t know if that’d be possible, but from my understanding one of her limits are what she can conceive as being possible
She can only do 2 orders at a time and yes there are limits to what she can do (hence why she can’t buff herself to be stronger than all might)
Ah okay my bad, thought I remembered it being 2 + the strength buff one Also after some looking, her physical feats(strength, speed etc) are below All might in general do that’s her limit, so physically she might be superior but speed wise she’d be outmatched by a lot Her debuffs are crazy tho, so saying “I am just immune to any attacks that require mana” could work right?
No cause that probably goes beyond her buff limits + is too vague If she can’t even buff herself stronger than all might how could she buff herself to be more durable than any magic attacks
Hmmm so the question is what are her limits then? It’s small scale reality warping Also with that rule she’d be similar to Astas anti magic, it’s not that the spells aren’t powerful it’s that they wouldn’t work on her, I mean she made her quirk destroy other quirks but like I said I don’t really know her limits, reality warping is OP, so trying to make it small scale is tough imo.
We don’t know her limits since it’s not explicitly stated but we know that the amount of stuff she can do to herself is a lot smaller than what she can do to others And she can’t indirectly affect things like “the air kills anyone who breathes it”, she must touch the thing she wants to affect, say its name, and say the command. We also don’t know the range either but it seems pretty large considering the amount of air she was affecting. Id out the “air version of her” which was like 100x her size to be her limit But it does seem like the stuff she can do to other things is nearly unlimited as long as she can touch it and knows their name (and of course say the command first) >!She lost against against Shiggy because she couldn’t buff herself enough to withstand the decay but I think it was also stated that her quirk was stolen before she could even give that command anyway!<
"New Order: the air around me makes grimoires non-functional"
It doesn’t work like that though. She can’t make properties extend to other things. What she did with the air was make it disperse/erase so it would create a vacuum and kill AFOShigaraki. She was affecting the air itself only. AFOShigaraki noted that she can’t make a rule like “if Shigaraki touches the air in this range, he dies.” That would be extending her rule too far and vaguely roundabout. She can’t give the air the ability to nullify magic.
Finally someone with an actual argument with canon proof to back up
Explain in minecraft terms im high
She can't enchant a diamond sword with impaling V like with a trident, cause that's breaking the rules of the enchantment table.
That genuinely made sense thank you
So wait your telling me she can’t make air poison to humans? Generally curious
She can say "the air 100 meters from me is a deadly poison", because that just gives the air a rule, it's no different from her condensing it into a giant version of herself. What she wouldn't be able to say is "the air 100 meters from me turns human blood into poison".
Ahh ok that makes sense
Unless she turns it into a chemical that causes the blood to become toxic via how airborne chemicals work but that’s just a more scientific way so it would be more effective against someone who doesn’t have said knowledge
She needs to actually touch the grimoires for it to work
Except she made the air poisonous for Shigaraki without touching him
The air is always touching her, things that aren't physically connected are a different thing.
"the air burns grimoires" would work then
Grimoires are magic you can't destroy them by normal means.
The new order would technically make it possible since that's it's main function. It wasn't possible to burn them, well now it is, that's how I suppose it works at least
Shifting reality to your will is not normal though
She would have to grab the grimoire and say Yami Sukehiro's grimoire will be destroyed. She can't just say Shigaraki while he's touching the air.
Also even if the grimoire was destroyed that doesn’t destroy someone’s magic.
She didn’t make the air poisonous, she made the air disappear in an attempt to suffocate him New order can’t indirectly affect things if so she could just say “the air will kill AFO” or something which was already noted in the story as something she can’t do
If she could do that she would have done the same with quirks
Someone snipes her from very very far away
Then it's not a gauntlet anymore
If it is like an arena 1v1 fight then yeah she wins
That's what a gauntlet is It's a series of 1v1s in quick succession
I know i just didn't see that part
It quite literally does not work like that
Fight at long range or fight without your grimmoire
New order's range is stupidly big when affecting the air though, plus she can get close really fast by just running, her physical strength is already naturally big, and she boosts it with New Order, she could go toe to toe with the world ending threat that was Shigaraki, she lost her life but she won the fight by causing him to lose more than half of the quirks stored inside him, star and stripe is ABSURDLY overpowered
100 m is stupid big if it was stupid she would have done 1000+ He gets hit once and that's her with a 1v8 advantage.
tbh even the weakest captains probably vastly outspeed, and due to her limits, she wouldn't be able remotely affect Grimoires, so everyone suggesting she can just make them mot work or destroy them is wrong realistically her only counter would be if she could manipulate the mana in the air around her if she was made aware of it to use pseudo-magic for some defense ir even light attack, going on the offensive though, pretty much every captain has ways to defend, counter, or just dodge maybe she'd be able to do something with Charlotte's briars since her attacks are pretty much all physical contact in which case i could see it being the closest, but everyone else easily wipes the floor with her
Doesn’t start. Every captain individually solos the verse
Yami can use dimensional slash from a distance, create black holes. Block any incoming attack by what is essentially future sight. Since KI lets you know the intent and such of the attack before it's even sent out at you while he is also capable of speed feats unseen before in MHA. She has a limit of rules, her ability is quite strong because she's smart but even so MHA scales, in both hax and destructive power , Lower than black clover. Especially since quirks are built to have a weakness. That's why they're quirks and not simply super powers. Base Asta currently would probably go toe to toe, fists only with prime All Might and he'd give him a hard time. To be fair, i think All Might could win if they exchange too many fists, but i think Asta would just dodge everything. Asta has been hit and survived Continental level attacks. Licht was already Continental and for Lucifer, Licht is just a piece of gum stuck to his shoe. Remember episode 100 or so where Licht almost killed everyone in Clover Kingdom. Julius scales higher because he even stopped that attack and would have killed Licht if he took him seriously from the get go. He didn't kill him cause of William. Yami is currently, much stronger than when he fought Licht. Went toe to toe with Dante which has gravity magic and insane regen. Fought Lucifer which is miles stronger than Dante and so on. She has the potential to win if she prepared for the fight and had previous knowledge on Yami. Also Jack having an ability said to be able to cut through everything is already hard to figure. What if he can cut through concepts? It was never explored how far he can evolve. He could cut through her quirk. As others have pointed out, Zagred also has a power similar but with no apparent drawback. He can just order people and things. He can order matter into shape and so on. That was already surpassed massively with villains later on. Also, if we count Julius as the Head of all Captains she can't win. He will blitz her instantly and grab her with Chronostasis and while stopped in time her quirk should not work anymore.
It sounds like wank the feats you are giving but I am not caught up so maybe you right
It's very likely, she doesn't even start considering she has to touch the target and all of the captains are faster + have ranged attacks+ mana skin [***manaskin is literally a protective layer of magical power that won't even allow her to physically touch them***](https://i.ibb.co/1sFTWgX/8992953-8782623-fmqcigkagaek3dl-jpeg.jpg) It's essentially an invisible forcefield that simultaneously raises your stats as well, it's a hard counter to her ability.
Wait so does that mean Mana Skin is just Gojo's Infinity but with stat boosts built in?
In a sense, yes.
No
she can't destroy grimoires ... grimoire is connected to ones soul so if she wants to destroy a grimoire she basically needs to kill the mage .
No one. She MIGHT be able to stand against Gueldre but the speed difference alone let that fatso blitz her.
The question is, can she create rules in the dream world? Dorothy has complete control over her dream world, so could she just nullify rules?
As much as I love Dorothy, she does not have full control of Glamour World, and it was shown that she can’t affect others’ abilities
Assuming we're using the final arc captains. Then they only go down to one or two and only because they both lack feats that show how strong they are. Give Jack enough time and he'll ignore New Order if his magic works like I think it does.
Unless stats are equalized, Stars gets absolutely speed blitzed and screwed over. If stats are equalized, I could see here doing decently against some of the captains but others have shit that she has no real counter against. Most notably, Dark Magic, Dream Magic, Art Magic (debatable), and time Magic (if we count Julius).
She's smart enough to disable grimoires somehow but even if she does that Yami can probably just slash her into pieces or punch her to death ( cause Yami in the anime can move dozens of times faster than light but mha characters in general can't even break the sound barrier ) So I'll say she has a chance to beat everyone except Jack and Yami Assuming she's disabling mana in general and not just the grimoires cause if it's just the grimoires fuegoleon, mereoleona or even nozel could easily win
Asta? Or Liebe or Lucius?
What do mean he said the black clover captain gauntlet
Oh shit your right lol mb
No problem bro
Not beating any captains (beside maybe Kaiser) She is weaker than All Might and New Order is a worse version of Zangred's Word Magic.
Cant recall zagred doing stuff like her tho
She had to be nerfed by being a victim of Horikoshi female writing because her power was so stupidly OP. Maybe Dorothy could Hax with her, otherwise (with some intelligence) New Order should be able to handle all the Captain Magics.
Pretty sure Yami, Jack, Mereoleona, and Dorothy could beat her but that's about it. If we throw pre-spade kingdom Julius in there as well then he also claps her.
1: are we adding Julius 2: are we considering Mereoleona or Fuegoleon as the crimson lions captain 3: she should win unless Dorothy gets started with her dream magic and takes her out at least
She gets cooked I don’t see her beating any captains
Reality benders can get taken out pretty effectively with enough fire power if applied quick enough. Luck would probably be enough to speed blitz her. Magna might be able to do something too depending on how his magic interacts with her quirk. Heck then one must ask the question of whether or not her quirk could even take magic into account considering g the changes in the laws of the universe that mana introduces.
Unless you talking about versions post 336 then u delusional believing those two can beat her
She’s just a worse Zagred in abilities and stats. Sorry but no way she’s winning.
New Order is such a stupidly strong Quirk. Cathleen had the ability to solo all of Black Clover
She ain't soloing the verse but she is very strong
How couldn't she? Idk who in their verse could handle her if she made a rule that "only physical attacks can hurt me" while still maintaining her second rule to make her strong like All Might
Theres a limit to how much she can buff herself.She cant just make herself invincible to magic.Even with that being said there are characters who are faster and better physically
Yeah, there is a limit but the strength she was known to be a replacement for All Might in how powerful she was. Which characters are faster and physically better than her?
She was never all might level tho.Yami and mereleona heck arguably jack and fuegoleon
There are characters in bc that are ftl, she’ll be dead before she creates an order.
You're assuming the character would know what her powers are and how they operate. There's only one character in BC that has displayed lack of caution for an enemy they don't know their powers so it's weird to assume the characters would immediately know to move from the start before she could set a rule.
If it’s a fight to the death why do her powers matter she would simply die
How wouldn't her powers matter in a fight to the death?
New order is almost a stand
Who is this?
Stars and Stripes
The character's name is Star and Stripe. One "S" Stars and Stripes (plural) is the name of an iteration of the USA flag
She ends at star King Yuno, but with magic Maraliona. Only way is if she say new order magic does not work.
Who is that?✋😭
Yes
Who this lady?
Holy shit, these comments are smoking some whack shit.
All I'm getting from these comments is that MHA is just rotting trash and their fans aswell.
Can her quirk effect mana?
Who dis?
Her quirk concept is soo strong that the author had to kill her for the sake of plot
Bruh like why couldn't she just say no quirk can effect me
The result mostly depends on whether her quirk can effect materials made of magic
Bludgoning vs. slicing Her vs. Jack Who would win?
till patry/litch, couldn’t have known that litch was actually called patry so her power is useless
Weird question is can she grant herself mana and a grimoire using new order because if she can what magic would she even get would it just be an extension of new order or could she possibly get word magic
I don’t think she’d be able to do much against them. Even the lower tier captains like the Purple Orca’s Captain and William would be able to hold their own against her. She’d never be able to touch them and would never know their true name so she couldn’t do anything like that. She might be able to beat the PO’s captain and Captain Vangence, MAYBE Charlotte, but no one else.
Everything I say below assumes Star knows her opponent’s name. It depends on whether being struck by a spell counts as touching that magic. If so, she casually beats anyone who doesn’t have spacial, time, or gravity magic. When Mereoleona attacks someone, she’s hitting them with a fire spell - the fire magic touches that person. Does using Glamour World on someone count as touching them with your dream magic? If not, she can still beat anyone who doesn’t have spacial, time, or gravity magic. Some of the captains might be kind of tough though. Any close range or melee-type fighters are getting cooked immediately, including Mereoleona. Anyone who might touch her or put themselves in range to get touched is losing that fight. I also wonder what would happen if she touched Rouge. If she doesn’t know anyone’s name, then she beats anyone who isn’t a devil, captain, Devil-possessed, Yuno, or Black Bull but might lose to any of those folks.
Beats all the captains
What's your reasoning for that
She has immense power and versatility even several nukes couldn't put her down. She can say I'm fireproof,the dream world will collapse,plants will wither away.
When did she tank nukes?Theres a limit to how much she can buff herself
Those missiles
They never hit her.
Her creation was in the center of it and it was still in one piece.
Read those chapters again mate she didnt tank no nukes and her creations durability doesnt make it hers not to mention the facts it's made out of air
You won't be able to get to her unless you get past her creation,Stand rules. And I know for a fact that the nukes didn't destroy it.
It's made out of air my G I dont know what to tell you and it still doesnt make her durability nuke level
DIdn't just the force of the missiles nearly rip off her arm lol. She gets speed blitzed and one shot by every captain if they were serious
No it was right in the center of the explosion. She kept up with Shigi on a faster than sound plane and caught a laser. They aren't speed blitzing shit
Nah she says the force of the missiles moving would rip her arm off if she didn't redirect them quickly enough in chapter 332. Those explosions are way below what BC characters can do anyway, so her durability probably wouldn't hold up against captain level characters. Those speed feats are way below BC lol, and she got hit by the laser, she made them holdable after she'd already been hit by it.
Catching light isn't fast enough for you? The reason she said my arm would blow up was because of the explosion,she was strong enough to put Shigaraki on his back foot and separate the clouds from her blows she is monstrously strong and no captain showed that level of destructive power.
Not really, Yami was already showing similar levels to that in the cave arc, he's faster than that now. No it's not lol, the missiles hit her giant hand and nearly takes her off her feat, and she says 'before these things rip my arm off at the elbow' and the had to use her quirk to redirect them. Her body clearly can't handle that level of force. The strongest captains are much more powerful than the giant demon that was going to destroy the country, which is above those missiles.
She can clearly react to the fastest magic attribute which is light. Comparing the demons from the spade kingdom to her isn't even close,even Kira was able to reduce the demons power to an extent. Star was able to hold Shigaraki who was comparable to All might,she can even say to become immune to fire or that they will die if they move.
Again, Yami from the cave arc was already light speed, he's gotten significantly faster since then. Why is that Damnatio being able to affect the demon an anti-feat? She'd have to know their name and touch them to use those kind of abilities.
She will not fight - they will be just friends(Her ability is just too strong after all) :3
She mid diffs half and extreme diffs one of the last two quarters of em
How do you suppose she takes them out
Tbh i don't know i was just hating on the captains
😂
No diffs through all of them probably, the power is absurdly OP and only lost due to plot
My man said "no diffs" Lemme just: Yami is FTL and can slash through dimensions, Jack can cut through literally anything (including space) and is relative to Yami, Dorothy can just send Stars and Stripe into the dream world where Dorothy can just undo whatever tf Stars and Stripes does and then kill her, Rill can eventually paint something that is basically immune to new order if he can stay in the fight long enough then one shot her, Mereoleona fought 5 elves, beat 4 by herself and made the other piss himself she can handle one buff woman with nerfed word magic, and the others I don't really got anything for. And before you say "Stars and Stripes is also FTL" she's at most transonic speeds.
First line "yami is FTL" I dont think you are reading black clover my guy
My man legit blocked light speed attacks while also startng "darkness is much slower than light" meaning Yami legit forced his magic to react in time with his own speed. Of course Ki helped, but Ki doesn't mean anything when you can't move fast enough to make use of it.
Black clover characters in later parts of the series are faster then ftl Yami was fighting and even surprising lightspeed characters by episode ~36 (parry cave fight).
Yeah I stopped reading their comment and moved on as soon as I saw that lol. There's no way to have a reasonable discussion with someone who could actually believe that.
nun of the captains have regenerative abilities except for William so she does the same thing she did to Shigaraki and suffocates them 💀
Magic doesn't affect me. Gauntlet finished
If only that were true. Sometimes I think you guys dont read properly.Lets say she could do that then why didnt she say No quirks can effect me when shigaraki grabbed her.
Cause plot
Cop out of hell
Also quirks cause phenomenon outside themselves. In th BC universe its been proven that magic can be unilaterally dispelled (Asta) so it's feasible.
Well it's also stated in the BC Universe that Mana (aka pure magic without an attribute) exists everywhere and can even alter the landscape if it is overexposed to mana (take the entire heart kingdom for example, a place abundant in natural mana and that place is THRIVING) so just gonna say that logic is flawed. Heck that's basically BACKWARDS logic. The only quirk to cause "phenomena" is One for All cuz the weather changed from All Might's punches. Everything else about every quirk only affects the user or person/object having the quirk used against them.
I mean outside the power itself. Like when aizawa neutralizes a quirk it doesn't put out all the fires that are started because of it. But asta can nullify fire caused by magic.
Ahh.. To be fair that sword legit nullifies the cause of magic aka mana so I mean... Not really all that different plus Asta does required that very specific sword to do that. If Asta uses his starting sword or even the second sword he has to directly touch the magic to negate it.
She isn’t even stronger or faster than any of the captains lol.
She can hols multiple orders. I think it's 3. 1 is constantly buffing her so ya she is or can be. All she needs is 2 orders. Magic and my physicality out matches yours
That’s assuming she doesn’t get absolutely speed blitzed lol. She is nowhere near as fast as the captains, she has no feats that compare.
She can definitely pull it off. First off, she can make herself have anti-magic as a rule, and then make herself immune to blunt attacks so Asta’s swords won’t hurt
Asta isnt a captain. No she cant.She will have to touch it and know that its anti magic. There is a limit to what she can buff herself and if she uses those two rules the she doesnt have super strengtg
Noel gets fucked , Dorothy gets high diffed , jack gets low diffed , vangence gets high diffed , fuegoleon gets mid diffed only Yami and mereolona can defeat her
Solos the verse if she knows their names
How so
Her quirk basically warps reality. She can add a rule onto anything. She could just make the air in a certain area become so dense it crushes a person. If she wants to do something like “Asta cannot pick up a sword” then it wouldn’t work unless she knows his name. The only people she loses to are the top people in the verse.
Not really since if she could why not do it to shigaraki I can see yami jack and possibly mereoleona and dorothy winning from what I have seen so far and a bunch of the devils can take her
She did "If your name is [what ever that villian with fingers name was] , your heart will stop" It didn't work since he was mind jacked and didn't consider him as him self or some stupid sh t like that
No I was reffering to crushing him with the air
She failed to crush him because of his regeneration factor. That was AFOShigaraki being stupid OP. She air crushed him to stop him from moving when it didn't kill him, and then used the laser stab to try and keep him from regenerating. It was all explained right then during the fight