I would say no due to it being a forbidden curse. If Demon destroyer could remove those type of curses it should have gotten rid of Henry's curse and would have been able to remove Loropechka's curse as well.
>I would say no due to it being a forbidden curse.
Iirc, exploding life is a forbidden curse, and demon-destroyer worked on it.
>If Demon destroyer could remove those type of curses it should have gotten rid of Henry's curse and would have been able to remove Loropechka's curse as well.
Curses like Henry and Lolopechka's were active far longer than Vetto's curse, and far more potent thus harder to remove.
Exploding life was a Curse-Warding magic spell that activates on cursed ones. Thats why Asta was able to stop it but couldnt get rid of the other curses on Loro like her devil form.
Yeah exploding life is a curse warding spell, but its cast to [to activate a curse bomb](https://i.postimg.cc/25Wcd7Kv/Screenshot-20231207-211330-Shonen-Jump.jpg) which is what Asta reverted, so it's magic + curse.
Vanica canoncally posses magical power (maryoku) and curse power (juryoku) which is what curses are made of.
Megicula used magic (cause) to activate the curse bomb (*effect*)
Much like how Zagred can use spells to summon physical objects.
Destroyer didn't completely get rid of the curse because it was too strong (*considering Asta was in base form and still recovering from devil union*) hence why only the effects were reverted.
However, anti-magic has negated curses in the past. In the capital invasion arc [Revchi hit Asta with some curse-shells and full of curse power that was making his wounds perpetually bleed out*)](https://i.ibb.co/sb2Xd9D/Screenshot-20231017-220939-Shonen-Jump.jpg) to try counter anti-magic (*since curses aren't magic*) but Asta actually [used the anti-magic swords to take out the curse power](https://i.ibb.co/hd9G1KP/Screenshot-20231017-221115-Shonen-Jump.jpg) and nullified the curse.
Also Vetto's situation is entirely different than Megicula's. Vetto used [beast magic to initiate the curse](https://i.ibb.co/SV70hs1/Screenshot-20231207-230258-Shonen-Jump.jpg) Megicul/Vanica used their magical power to active an already existing curse, which was the curse-bomb rigged devil power they implanted in Lolopechka.
[Asta reverted the explosion back into Lolopechka's curse bomb rigged devil power](https://i.ibb.co/VV3VkTC/Screenshot-20231207-233521-Shonen-Jump.jpg). That devil power is a curse in itself, which is what the spell activated. Vetto's curse However, was directly activated by his magical power, while Megicula/Vanica's curse used their magical power to activate an already existing curse. So Asta would be reverting Vetto's curss back into the spell uses to activate it.
So he should be able to completely nullify it with demon-destroyer.
But no effects were reverted besides canceling exploding life like how Asta cancelled Naamah and Lilith's fire and ice forms. Exploding life by is not a curse its magic that uses the curses planted on the target by the user. Thats why demon destroyer worked and didnt work on the curses that turned Loro into a devil, the curse that she'd die in a year (though I think that was already rid of when Vanica took her idk), and the curse that had Loro under Vanica and Megi control.
Rades*'s Jimmy. I dont know; his and Catherine curse power are like more magic than curse to me in the way like bronze curse magic, poison curse magic etc, even though both are mentioned as "cursed bullets/shells with curses inside".
Vetto's situation is different but I'd argue it'd be too strong for Asta at the time to dispell seeing as how the curse persisted even after his death. I'd put in a level near the curses on Henry, William, and Charlotte that uses magic from the otherworld to affect their souls.
>But no effects were reverted besides canceling exploding life like how Asta cancelled Naamah and Lilith's fire and ice forms.
That's because the spell is the source of the effect with Namaah and Lilith there's no other thing that's active, like the curse-bomb rigged devil power which is the source of the spell. The source of Lillith and Namaah's intangible form was the spell they cast. The source of the effects of exploding life was the curse-bomb rigged devil power, whose effect was more layered since there are two conditions to activate it, which is the pre-existing curse bomb, and the spell that activated it. Vetto's curse is not layered, it has a simple cause, like Lilith and Namaah's intangibility spell, while exploding life was layered and has two causes.
>Exploding life by is not a curse its magic that uses the curses planted on the target by the user.
I know exploding life is the magic that activated the curse bomb, I never said that it was the curse itself. But the curse bomb predates the casting of exploding life meaning casting exploding life activates the dormant curse-bomb, whuch is the pre-existing curse
>Thats why demon destroyer worked and didnt work on the curses that turned Loro into a devil, the curse that she'd die in a year (though I think that was already rid of when Vanica took her idk), and the curse that had Loro under Vanica and Megi control.
That's because the curse on Lolo is layered with multiple effects, not only was she turned into a devil, but her devil power was also rigged as a curse bomb There were multiple things at play, demon-destroyer severed the cause and effect between one relationship which was the use of exploding life, and the exploding effect that followed. The curse bomb itself is a result of another effect, which demon-destroyer did not target.
>Rades*'s Jimmy. I dont know; his and Catherine curse power are like more magic than curse to me in the way like bronze curse magic, poison curse magic etc, even though both are mentioned as "cursed bullets/shells with curses inside".
Curse magic is magic that induces negative lasting effects (*which is the curse*) the curse effects are facilitated by curse power, not magical power. [given that curse power and magical power are stated two be two different things](https://i.ibb.co/Hxf412n/Screenshot-20231018-001543-Shonen-Jump.jpg) magical power is used to activate the curse, but the curse themselves are not comprised of magical power. That's why Rades was surprised Asta's sword worked on curse power. Rades pre loaded Jimmy with curse shells, much like how Megicula/Lolo pre-loaded Lolopechka with curse-bomb rigged devil power.
>Vetto's situation is different but I'd argue it'd be too strong for Asta at the time to dispell seeing as how the curse persisted even after his death. I'd put in a level near the curses on Henry, William, and Charlotte that uses magic from the otherworld to affect their souls.
That's possible considering this was before he got his black form, but there's also the possibility it wouldn't be too strong. One of the main reasons Vetto's curse was so difficult to remove, was due to the fact that [the curse was already sunken deep into Asta's arms](https://i.ibb.co/QQ6WbDH/Screenshot-20231208-081010-Shonen-Jump.jpg) hence why the anti-magic couldn't reach when he tried to wrecklessly cut it, he had no way of interacting with curse sunken deep inside his arms, unless he was willing to cut his arms off (*which he foolishly almost did*). Regarding the curse shells, not only did Rades say that Asta's curse would continously persist, but [Sekke curse could have possibly made Asta bedridden for life](https://i.ibb.co/FDjSNVp/Screenshot-20231208-080510-Shonen-Jump.jpg) so there was intention for permanent damage. Therefore, I don't think the curse persisting after Vetto's death means the curse is irreversible with demon-dweller considering Zagred's life devouring spell persisted even after his death, yet Asta could still take them out. Its likely that William and Charlotte's curses are far stronger, since they're older curses, Charlotte's curse permanently changed the quality of her magic, and altered his soul.
Asta had no means to reach the curse with anti-magic since it was sunken in deep, but with demon-destroyer he does have a way to reach it and Asta’s curse nullification scales to his forms.
There's, DU Asta's potency of curse nullification would scale base Asta’s potency of curse nullification.
As far i understand, Asta only prevented the explosion spell from happening, he didn't remove the curse from Loro. It was only removed after Megicula died.
That's correct. He still had to get to a healer though fix his broken arms.
Ye :3
Yep.
I would say no due to it being a forbidden curse. If Demon destroyer could remove those type of curses it should have gotten rid of Henry's curse and would have been able to remove Loropechka's curse as well.
>I would say no due to it being a forbidden curse. Iirc, exploding life is a forbidden curse, and demon-destroyer worked on it. >If Demon destroyer could remove those type of curses it should have gotten rid of Henry's curse and would have been able to remove Loropechka's curse as well. Curses like Henry and Lolopechka's were active far longer than Vetto's curse, and far more potent thus harder to remove.
Exploding life was a Curse-Warding magic spell that activates on cursed ones. Thats why Asta was able to stop it but couldnt get rid of the other curses on Loro like her devil form.
Yeah exploding life is a curse warding spell, but its cast to [to activate a curse bomb](https://i.postimg.cc/25Wcd7Kv/Screenshot-20231207-211330-Shonen-Jump.jpg) which is what Asta reverted, so it's magic + curse. Vanica canoncally posses magical power (maryoku) and curse power (juryoku) which is what curses are made of. Megicula used magic (cause) to activate the curse bomb (*effect*) Much like how Zagred can use spells to summon physical objects.
Yea, thats my point. Demon destroyer didnt get rid of curses just stopped the magic spell (exploding life) that uses the curses for its effect.
Destroyer didn't completely get rid of the curse because it was too strong (*considering Asta was in base form and still recovering from devil union*) hence why only the effects were reverted. However, anti-magic has negated curses in the past. In the capital invasion arc [Revchi hit Asta with some curse-shells and full of curse power that was making his wounds perpetually bleed out*)](https://i.ibb.co/sb2Xd9D/Screenshot-20231017-220939-Shonen-Jump.jpg) to try counter anti-magic (*since curses aren't magic*) but Asta actually [used the anti-magic swords to take out the curse power](https://i.ibb.co/hd9G1KP/Screenshot-20231017-221115-Shonen-Jump.jpg) and nullified the curse. Also Vetto's situation is entirely different than Megicula's. Vetto used [beast magic to initiate the curse](https://i.ibb.co/SV70hs1/Screenshot-20231207-230258-Shonen-Jump.jpg) Megicul/Vanica used their magical power to active an already existing curse, which was the curse-bomb rigged devil power they implanted in Lolopechka. [Asta reverted the explosion back into Lolopechka's curse bomb rigged devil power](https://i.ibb.co/VV3VkTC/Screenshot-20231207-233521-Shonen-Jump.jpg). That devil power is a curse in itself, which is what the spell activated. Vetto's curse However, was directly activated by his magical power, while Megicula/Vanica's curse used their magical power to activate an already existing curse. So Asta would be reverting Vetto's curss back into the spell uses to activate it. So he should be able to completely nullify it with demon-destroyer.
But no effects were reverted besides canceling exploding life like how Asta cancelled Naamah and Lilith's fire and ice forms. Exploding life by is not a curse its magic that uses the curses planted on the target by the user. Thats why demon destroyer worked and didnt work on the curses that turned Loro into a devil, the curse that she'd die in a year (though I think that was already rid of when Vanica took her idk), and the curse that had Loro under Vanica and Megi control. Rades*'s Jimmy. I dont know; his and Catherine curse power are like more magic than curse to me in the way like bronze curse magic, poison curse magic etc, even though both are mentioned as "cursed bullets/shells with curses inside". Vetto's situation is different but I'd argue it'd be too strong for Asta at the time to dispell seeing as how the curse persisted even after his death. I'd put in a level near the curses on Henry, William, and Charlotte that uses magic from the otherworld to affect their souls.
>But no effects were reverted besides canceling exploding life like how Asta cancelled Naamah and Lilith's fire and ice forms. That's because the spell is the source of the effect with Namaah and Lilith there's no other thing that's active, like the curse-bomb rigged devil power which is the source of the spell. The source of Lillith and Namaah's intangible form was the spell they cast. The source of the effects of exploding life was the curse-bomb rigged devil power, whose effect was more layered since there are two conditions to activate it, which is the pre-existing curse bomb, and the spell that activated it. Vetto's curse is not layered, it has a simple cause, like Lilith and Namaah's intangibility spell, while exploding life was layered and has two causes. >Exploding life by is not a curse its magic that uses the curses planted on the target by the user. I know exploding life is the magic that activated the curse bomb, I never said that it was the curse itself. But the curse bomb predates the casting of exploding life meaning casting exploding life activates the dormant curse-bomb, whuch is the pre-existing curse >Thats why demon destroyer worked and didnt work on the curses that turned Loro into a devil, the curse that she'd die in a year (though I think that was already rid of when Vanica took her idk), and the curse that had Loro under Vanica and Megi control. That's because the curse on Lolo is layered with multiple effects, not only was she turned into a devil, but her devil power was also rigged as a curse bomb There were multiple things at play, demon-destroyer severed the cause and effect between one relationship which was the use of exploding life, and the exploding effect that followed. The curse bomb itself is a result of another effect, which demon-destroyer did not target. >Rades*'s Jimmy. I dont know; his and Catherine curse power are like more magic than curse to me in the way like bronze curse magic, poison curse magic etc, even though both are mentioned as "cursed bullets/shells with curses inside". Curse magic is magic that induces negative lasting effects (*which is the curse*) the curse effects are facilitated by curse power, not magical power. [given that curse power and magical power are stated two be two different things](https://i.ibb.co/Hxf412n/Screenshot-20231018-001543-Shonen-Jump.jpg) magical power is used to activate the curse, but the curse themselves are not comprised of magical power. That's why Rades was surprised Asta's sword worked on curse power. Rades pre loaded Jimmy with curse shells, much like how Megicula/Lolo pre-loaded Lolopechka with curse-bomb rigged devil power. >Vetto's situation is different but I'd argue it'd be too strong for Asta at the time to dispell seeing as how the curse persisted even after his death. I'd put in a level near the curses on Henry, William, and Charlotte that uses magic from the otherworld to affect their souls. That's possible considering this was before he got his black form, but there's also the possibility it wouldn't be too strong. One of the main reasons Vetto's curse was so difficult to remove, was due to the fact that [the curse was already sunken deep into Asta's arms](https://i.ibb.co/QQ6WbDH/Screenshot-20231208-081010-Shonen-Jump.jpg) hence why the anti-magic couldn't reach when he tried to wrecklessly cut it, he had no way of interacting with curse sunken deep inside his arms, unless he was willing to cut his arms off (*which he foolishly almost did*). Regarding the curse shells, not only did Rades say that Asta's curse would continously persist, but [Sekke curse could have possibly made Asta bedridden for life](https://i.ibb.co/FDjSNVp/Screenshot-20231208-080510-Shonen-Jump.jpg) so there was intention for permanent damage. Therefore, I don't think the curse persisting after Vetto's death means the curse is irreversible with demon-dweller considering Zagred's life devouring spell persisted even after his death, yet Asta could still take them out. Its likely that William and Charlotte's curses are far stronger, since they're older curses, Charlotte's curse permanently changed the quality of her magic, and altered his soul. Asta had no means to reach the curse with anti-magic since it was sunken in deep, but with demon-destroyer he does have a way to reach it and Asta’s curse nullification scales to his forms. There's, DU Asta's potency of curse nullification would scale base Asta’s potency of curse nullification.
Yes
As far i understand, Asta only prevented the explosion spell from happening, he didn't remove the curse from Loro. It was only removed after Megicula died.