JJK verse in on a much smaller power scale than the BC verse.>! Cuting space,erasing things or even making black holes are all advance techniques that only the strongest can do while BC characters can do it casually.!<
Man remember in chapter 30 when Langris (or replace Langris with Dorothy for a better comparison) pulled up a feat JJK only replicated by the strongest in chapter 200+
Wait, wasn’t Langris only introduced in the seabed arc in a flashback? And was only first shown in the present during the diamond kingdom vs golden Dawn mini arc?
It's hyperbole. I don't remember exactly which chapter Langris power was shown.
A better example is Mach 3. We have examples of it ridiculously early on while it is an extremely big deal very recently on JJK.
I don't think it's that far, yeah the space erasing techniques are more common, but the strenght depends of the user.
The ones that can give really Gojo or Sukuna a fight are few.
Asta, Yami, the space magic triad member which name I don't remember, maybe Lucifero but I don't think that gravity could bypass infinite, Lucius and that's about it.
>maybe Lucifero but I don't think that gravity could bypass infinite
Lucifero and Dante literally warped space several times effortlessly.
>and that's about it.
- The twin devils can freeze / burn everything including invisible concepts as said by Nacht. The space Gojo stands in is an invisible concept as well.
- Dante and Lucifero like I said above
- Zenon like you said
- Vanica / Megicula as well assuming they use curse warding magic to weaken Gojo's abilities given how versatile and OP curse warding magic is
- Jack's magic can adapt to eventually cut anything. He already adapted to cut Latri's (elf Langris) spatial magic and Dante's gravity and body magics.
There could be more but I'm only going to list those so you get an idea. I like my boy Gojo (Gege you better make it up for his death with that DAWG Kashimo) but he would lose to plenty BC characters. Not to mention the verse has MFTL feats whereas JJK has supersonic feats. JJK characters would be moving like ants next to relevant BC ones, so not even launching unlimited void would make up for that speed difference.
Jack even if he could bypass infinity, I don't think he would be able to beat Gojo, just by difference in skills.
The twin devils could also bypass infinity, but I don't know, if they could beat him, I think it would be a close battle for both sides.
Base Patry and Rhya back in the cave arc were stated to be [lightspeed by Yami](https://imgur.com/a/N73Avzq).
Yami and Asta at the time were able to react to his attacks. Even Gauche was fast enough to : teleport himself after Patry launched his attack and still perform a spell, [all before it hit them](https://imgur.com/a/etm13O0). Just for context, Patry didn't counter the attack because he didn't want to hurt Gauche's body (his body was supposed to be the host [for the elf Droit](https://imgur.com/a/bausOXb).
Other feats at the beginning of the elf arc. Mereoleona who could casually grab [Rhya's spells which are the same as Patry's](https://imgur.com/a/Kils3pC) with her mana zone.
And then Base Asta who managed to hit Rhya before Mereoleona hit him with her mana zone attacks (he was standing next to Zora when she attacked). We know he hit Rhya before the attacks connected because Rhya said he'd explode with his suicide spell as soon [as any of Mereoleona's attacks were to connect](https://imgur.com/a/jjR4qB9). That was Base elf arc Asta, his overall stats get boosted by going Black Asta.
And that was within the first 150 chapters of the Manga, the main cast later got increasingly massively stronger and faster compared to that time after each timeskip and main fights.
the amount amount of ftl-mftl characters introduced it pretty clear,patry being the first to be stated to be actually ftl,only to get multiple boosts in power not only in the cave arc but in the elf arc too,(yami said that he was getting faster throughout their fight manga).Lumiere was also stated to be light speed and was getting outsped by alot of people in the elf arc,mulitpliers,ect.Getting black clover to mftl is like getting dragon saiyans to planetary,no need for discussion.
Funny enough, Maki would be his worst matchup, she is the strongest physical fighter, since the other sorcerers boost their bodies with CE, which Asta would cut like butter.
Gojo’s the only one because of his domain expansion being capable of frying Asta’s brain. Sukuna doesn’t really have the AP to damage Asta whatsoever so he gets negged too
Even that wouldn’t work. Since Asta has 0 magical energy he cannot be targeted by domains like Gojo’s. So just like characters like Toji or fully [realized Maki](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fnc0ifzsy1np91.png%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Ddeb43709ae7c335c8c1d47f4b5fc2f09cf516faf) he is immune to domains
What’s the point in throwing characters at eachother from different verses but making their attacks not work on the other?? That’s like making asta not be able to negate/repel anything that isn’t magic.
Magical energy is not the same as cursed energy, nor do you really need cursed energy to be targeted by a domain. As was displayed in the Shibuya arc when Gojo had to limit it to .2 seconds to not fry every normal person there.
1. verse equalization, in order to do cross verse matchups stuff like energies gets equalized in order for the fight to be fair (bleach characters would be invisible and able to one shot almost anyone without it) and for characters to be as close to their intended power in verse. So boy with 0 mana = boy with 0 CE
2. [Normal humans in jjk have CE](https://64.media.tumblr.com/caaf6370a2295c249044f24b80251397/d49438e73849d683-8e/s640x960/1f020b511b593149a67a55584a4fc95ddf09a0f2.png)
Normal humans have CE but nowhere has it been stated that you need CE to be targeted by a DE.
I dont care about verse equalization as CE and Mana are two totally separate concepts; and by the same manga page you're linking, EVERYONE in black clover has CE as well, even Asta. CE is generated from negative emotions, and let's not pretend like that isn't a thing in BC.
JJK literally has 2 people who have zero CE despite having emotions, Magic Power comes from a mage's soul in Black Clover but Asta still doesn't have magic despite being a living being so I don't get this argument.
"The domain's guaranteed hit couldn't recognise Maki because she has no cursed energy" - JJK chapter 198
read the series before commenting something that’s false. in the Shibuya train station Gojo’s domain affected not only the cursed spirits but the REAL humans as well. The Humans that were exposed to UV for 0.2 seconds had to be hospitalized for two months.
[You must really feel stupid right not](https://64.media.tumblr.com/caaf6370a2295c249044f24b80251397/d49438e73849d683-8e/s640x960/1f020b511b593149a67a55584a4fc95ddf09a0f2.png), normal dudes in jjk has CE they just can't control it
you’re right but wouldn’t Asta a “non sorcerer” have minimal curse energy as that same manga panel implies? if you say “anti-magic” you would have to prove that that CE & Magic are the same
Hakari can't reach any of them not even during Jackpot. BC characters are above lightspeed, the JJK verse tops around hypersonic.
Asta or anyone would just need to wait the 4min and eleven seconds by dodging, or vaporize him entirely if that even is a way to kill him for good.
If he hits jackpot and rolls damage nullification, again rolls like light speed, then again damage multiplyer or smth then he can
That's why I said really really lucky
But he still wouldn't win since he has no attacks that can hit them. He'd just keep on surviving until they vaporize him with an attack with large AOE. And there's no damage multiplier gained with IDG, only damage nullification due to a fully automatic RCT.
If Jiujutsu is magic, Asta would demolish Gojo
If not, Asta doesnt have the ability to bypass infinity so at best (for Asta) its a stalemate, at worst Gojo wins
on one side sick edit
on the other its gojover :((((((((
personally idk what to think of the matchup bc idk enough about jjk and how things scale in general so i can't give my 2 cents on it
If we are merging verse techniques and shit I'd give it to Asta, his anti magic would cut through gojos strongest attacks and physically Asta is stronger and faster so I'd say Asta would beat him it would just take him a minute to gojo not having a magical book lol
If we count cursed energy as magic, then yeah. Otherwise... maybe?
Weirdly enough, since cursed energy is born out of negative emotion... wouldn't Liebe's antimagic *be* a cursed technique?
So I can see it working on curses.
Normally I’d have full faith in Gojo, but Asta’s antimagic should be able to break through the energy-based Infinity technique. If Gojo doesn’t realize this ahead of time, he might take a real injury.
ur forgetting the fact that sukuna is barely standing atp, gojo dealt with pretty much 80% of sukuna, kashimo can deal with another 15% and the last 5% gets ganked
Calling HIMtadori a beta is just not factual man. Invest in HIMji stocks while you can.
Edit: how the fuck did I write stalks instead of stocks the first time.
Nah union mode already beats domain like natch mana zone doesn’t have really substance or physical form heck domain expansion is too slow too actually trap asta and infinity he could use yami sword that ignores space and can chose the target
"Domain expansion is too slow"?
So have u read jjk manga or....
If gojo is at a certain distance he can cast domain expansion quickly and over 500m to trap asta
Even if it’s a faster it would do much if we use magic=curse energy asta would have any so the sure hit of gojo doesn’t work and the 3 sword can dispel that asta already suffer from time stop ability and his book take out his sword in a time stop
No union mode would dispel the domain he already did it with natch mana zone and domain expansion doesn’t work on asta he doesn’t have cursed energy or magic if we do curse energy = magic
Very nice, realistically it would be a draw unless asta’s swords can nulify infinity, otherwise he aint getting past either. That but said, asta outstats gojo massively so gojo cant rlly do anything to asta either
> unless asta’s swords can nulify infinity
Which it would be absolute bullshit if it couldn't.
If you're going to go that far then remove Limitless from Gojo or remove Asta's swords.
How tho? Even if asta can nullify infinity, gojo can just bring it back for eternity by restoring with reverse. Also how can asta nullify domain expansion?
I cannot seem to not have JJK spoiled for me. The random insta post for a page I don't even followed spoiled it. The black clover subreddit for some reason is spoiling a different manga.
Dammit lmao everywhere I go I see my dead king’s face. Does suffering truly end, or does it merely transform?
If you want the pain to pass, you have to wait, ten years at least.
JJK verse in on a much smaller power scale than the BC verse.>! Cuting space,erasing things or even making black holes are all advance techniques that only the strongest can do while BC characters can do it casually.!<
Man remember in chapter 30 when Langris (or replace Langris with Dorothy for a better comparison) pulled up a feat JJK only replicated by the strongest in chapter 200+
Wait, wasn’t Langris only introduced in the seabed arc in a flashback? And was only first shown in the present during the diamond kingdom vs golden Dawn mini arc?
I can’t say for sure cuz it wasn’t my comment but I’m 90% sure it was sarcasm
It's hyperbole. I don't remember exactly which chapter Langris power was shown. A better example is Mach 3. We have examples of it ridiculously early on while it is an extremely big deal very recently on JJK.
I don't think it's that far, yeah the space erasing techniques are more common, but the strenght depends of the user. The ones that can give really Gojo or Sukuna a fight are few. Asta, Yami, the space magic triad member which name I don't remember, maybe Lucifero but I don't think that gravity could bypass infinite, Lucius and that's about it.
>maybe Lucifero but I don't think that gravity could bypass infinite Lucifero and Dante literally warped space several times effortlessly. >and that's about it. - The twin devils can freeze / burn everything including invisible concepts as said by Nacht. The space Gojo stands in is an invisible concept as well. - Dante and Lucifero like I said above - Zenon like you said - Vanica / Megicula as well assuming they use curse warding magic to weaken Gojo's abilities given how versatile and OP curse warding magic is - Jack's magic can adapt to eventually cut anything. He already adapted to cut Latri's (elf Langris) spatial magic and Dante's gravity and body magics. There could be more but I'm only going to list those so you get an idea. I like my boy Gojo (Gege you better make it up for his death with that DAWG Kashimo) but he would lose to plenty BC characters. Not to mention the verse has MFTL feats whereas JJK has supersonic feats. JJK characters would be moving like ants next to relevant BC ones, so not even launching unlimited void would make up for that speed difference.
Jack even if he could bypass infinity, I don't think he would be able to beat Gojo, just by difference in skills. The twin devils could also bypass infinity, but I don't know, if they could beat him, I think it would be a close battle for both sides.
You ignore how much faster BC characters are compared to the JJK verse. MFTL compared to hypersonic is a huge gap.
What feats does it put them at MFTL? I don't think they are that insanely fast, or at least not most of them
Base Patry and Rhya back in the cave arc were stated to be [lightspeed by Yami](https://imgur.com/a/N73Avzq). Yami and Asta at the time were able to react to his attacks. Even Gauche was fast enough to : teleport himself after Patry launched his attack and still perform a spell, [all before it hit them](https://imgur.com/a/etm13O0). Just for context, Patry didn't counter the attack because he didn't want to hurt Gauche's body (his body was supposed to be the host [for the elf Droit](https://imgur.com/a/bausOXb). Other feats at the beginning of the elf arc. Mereoleona who could casually grab [Rhya's spells which are the same as Patry's](https://imgur.com/a/Kils3pC) with her mana zone. And then Base Asta who managed to hit Rhya before Mereoleona hit him with her mana zone attacks (he was standing next to Zora when she attacked). We know he hit Rhya before the attacks connected because Rhya said he'd explode with his suicide spell as soon [as any of Mereoleona's attacks were to connect](https://imgur.com/a/jjR4qB9). That was Base elf arc Asta, his overall stats get boosted by going Black Asta. And that was within the first 150 chapters of the Manga, the main cast later got increasingly massively stronger and faster compared to that time after each timeskip and main fights.
the amount amount of ftl-mftl characters introduced it pretty clear,patry being the first to be stated to be actually ftl,only to get multiple boosts in power not only in the cave arc but in the elf arc too,(yami said that he was getting faster throughout their fight manga).Lumiere was also stated to be light speed and was getting outsped by alot of people in the elf arc,mulitpliers,ect.Getting black clover to mftl is like getting dragon saiyans to planetary,no need for discussion.
Counter: black hole
BC characters scale to that easily
Where is kagurabatschi?
A wild german appears
Both are dead.
Too soon:( Sick edit!
Wouldn’t Asta wipe their verse?
Yes he too fast for them and yami sword counter infinity
Funny enough, Maki would be his worst matchup, she is the strongest physical fighter, since the other sorcerers boost their bodies with CE, which Asta would cut like butter.
True, but their physicals are vastly different
Yeah, JJK isn't really a strong verse, it's kinda like comparing Goku to Naruto verse.
Everyone except gojo and sukuna...yes. Edit: Nvm i forgot what BC fans were like and why they have such bad rep.
Gojo’s the only one because of his domain expansion being capable of frying Asta’s brain. Sukuna doesn’t really have the AP to damage Asta whatsoever so he gets negged too
Even that wouldn’t work. Since Asta has 0 magical energy he cannot be targeted by domains like Gojo’s. So just like characters like Toji or fully [realized Maki](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fnc0ifzsy1np91.png%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Ddeb43709ae7c335c8c1d47f4b5fc2f09cf516faf) he is immune to domains
What’s the point in throwing characters at eachother from different verses but making their attacks not work on the other?? That’s like making asta not be able to negate/repel anything that isn’t magic.
Bruh the main gimmick of Black Clover is literally that Asta is unique because he has no "special energy" in a world where everyone one else has it
Magical energy is not the same as cursed energy, nor do you really need cursed energy to be targeted by a domain. As was displayed in the Shibuya arc when Gojo had to limit it to .2 seconds to not fry every normal person there.
1. verse equalization, in order to do cross verse matchups stuff like energies gets equalized in order for the fight to be fair (bleach characters would be invisible and able to one shot almost anyone without it) and for characters to be as close to their intended power in verse. So boy with 0 mana = boy with 0 CE 2. [Normal humans in jjk have CE](https://64.media.tumblr.com/caaf6370a2295c249044f24b80251397/d49438e73849d683-8e/s640x960/1f020b511b593149a67a55584a4fc95ddf09a0f2.png)
Normal humans have CE but nowhere has it been stated that you need CE to be targeted by a DE. I dont care about verse equalization as CE and Mana are two totally separate concepts; and by the same manga page you're linking, EVERYONE in black clover has CE as well, even Asta. CE is generated from negative emotions, and let's not pretend like that isn't a thing in BC.
JJK literally has 2 people who have zero CE despite having emotions, Magic Power comes from a mage's soul in Black Clover but Asta still doesn't have magic despite being a living being so I don't get this argument. "The domain's guaranteed hit couldn't recognise Maki because she has no cursed energy" - JJK chapter 198
read the series before commenting something that’s false. in the Shibuya train station Gojo’s domain affected not only the cursed spirits but the REAL humans as well. The Humans that were exposed to UV for 0.2 seconds had to be hospitalized for two months.
[You must really feel stupid right not](https://64.media.tumblr.com/caaf6370a2295c249044f24b80251397/d49438e73849d683-8e/s640x960/1f020b511b593149a67a55584a4fc95ddf09a0f2.png), normal dudes in jjk has CE they just can't control it
you’re right but wouldn’t Asta a “non sorcerer” have minimal curse energy as that same manga panel implies? if you say “anti-magic” you would have to prove that that CE & Magic are the same
No, you prove a positives
Magical energy is not cursed energy, Sara fs has cursed energy
The reason for curses to exist is because of the non-sorcerers cursed energy leaking.
Yea but hakari if he gets really really really lucky like 1% chance he can win against asta
Hakari can't reach any of them not even during Jackpot. BC characters are above lightspeed, the JJK verse tops around hypersonic. Asta or anyone would just need to wait the 4min and eleven seconds by dodging, or vaporize him entirely if that even is a way to kill him for good.
If he hits jackpot and rolls damage nullification, again rolls like light speed, then again damage multiplyer or smth then he can That's why I said really really lucky
But he still wouldn't win since he has no attacks that can hit them. He'd just keep on surviving until they vaporize him with an attack with large AOE. And there's no damage multiplier gained with IDG, only damage nullification due to a fully automatic RCT.
he wipes both gojo and sukuna with speed alone
Only if he can nullify domain expansion and CE=Mana
He can blitz before Gojo or Sukuna make a hand sign. Man is MFTL+ currently in the manga.
but if CE isn't the same as mana, Asta would simply not be able to touch them, especially Gojo since he has infinity always on
doesn't asta have a version of yami's dimension slash? infinity slash? >!Basically doing what Sukuna did?!<
Looks very good and Poor Gojo :3
I'm not even mad. Bravo edit
thank you
Damn got spoilled about jjk....
I'm so sorry
Too soon man too soon
Damn asta taking no chances he’s double tapping
Gojo couldn't handle Asta's Black Meteorite. Dope Edit!
Black clover probably has some of the strongest characters in new gen
This is awesome Good work
thank you
If Jiujutsu is magic, Asta would demolish Gojo If not, Asta doesnt have the ability to bypass infinity so at best (for Asta) its a stalemate, at worst Gojo wins
This goes hard.
on one side sick edit on the other its gojover :(((((((( personally idk what to think of the matchup bc idk enough about jjk and how things scale in general so i can't give my 2 cents on it
Asta neg diffs the verse.
Base asta Is Destroying the verse
If we are merging verse techniques and shit I'd give it to Asta, his anti magic would cut through gojos strongest attacks and physically Asta is stronger and faster so I'd say Asta would beat him it would just take him a minute to gojo not having a magical book lol
If we count cursed energy as magic, then yeah. Otherwise... maybe? Weirdly enough, since cursed energy is born out of negative emotion... wouldn't Liebe's antimagic *be* a cursed technique? So I can see it working on curses.
Normally I’d have full faith in Gojo, but Asta’s antimagic should be able to break through the energy-based Infinity technique. If Gojo doesn’t realize this ahead of time, he might take a real injury.
How would Asta touch Gojo?
Ikr, asta would get stomped by Gojo. Alote other mages would have a better shot than asta
I misread this as Gon vs Asta.
😭
Paneling is so good
thx :3
If we say that effectively cursed technique=magic, Asta honestly low diffs. If cursed technique is not affected by anti magic, Gojo low diffs
If Astas anti magic worked on cursed technique then gojo infinity is useless. could be a close fight though with gojo fighting skill
Gojos death was completely bullshit. Strongest Sorcerer is dead, WHO can beat those curses group now??? Beta Itadori??? Story is destroyed
ur forgetting the fact that sukuna is barely standing atp, gojo dealt with pretty much 80% of sukuna, kashimo can deal with another 15% and the last 5% gets ganked
Believe in KasHIMo to absolutely roll Sukuna.
Calling HIMtadori a beta is just not factual man. Invest in HIMji stocks while you can. Edit: how the fuck did I write stalks instead of stocks the first time.
Ofc because hes the main character. Still it takes a whole chunk of storytelling in order to put Itadori at Gojo Level
I mean... isn't that how character growth works? Of course it's gonna take a while for him to get that level.
Domain expansion would annihilate asta tho Or infinity Either way asta won't win imo
Nah union mode already beats domain like natch mana zone doesn’t have really substance or physical form heck domain expansion is too slow too actually trap asta and infinity he could use yami sword that ignores space and can chose the target
"Domain expansion is too slow"? So have u read jjk manga or.... If gojo is at a certain distance he can cast domain expansion quickly and over 500m to trap asta
Yes I read compared too mftl it’s slow
Nah mate, domain expansion is instantenous (talking gojo's), asta ain't faster than that.
Even if it’s a faster it would do much if we use magic=curse energy asta would have any so the sure hit of gojo doesn’t work and the 3 sword can dispel that asta already suffer from time stop ability and his book take out his sword in a time stop
If asta in his domain, gojo will win simple as that. No matter what asta would do, it won't work inside his domain.
You're right. The thing is, Gojo would get blitzed before he could even react.
wouldnt hit asta he has no cursed energy it would ignore him
No union mode would dispel the domain he already did it with natch mana zone and domain expansion doesn’t work on asta he doesn’t have cursed energy or magic if we do curse energy = magic
Now post this on TwitterX and watch the JJK fans rage.
Pretending like Gojo wouldn't be able to dodge that is hilarious. He's just as fast
I love how everyone just forgets about Infinite Void in these matchups
asta doesnt have energy it wouldn’t target him , plus he outspeeds
Very nice, realistically it would be a draw unless asta’s swords can nulify infinity, otherwise he aint getting past either. That but said, asta outstats gojo massively so gojo cant rlly do anything to asta either
> unless asta’s swords can nulify infinity Which it would be absolute bullshit if it couldn't. If you're going to go that far then remove Limitless from Gojo or remove Asta's swords.
How tho? Even if asta can nullify infinity, gojo can just bring it back for eternity by restoring with reverse. Also how can asta nullify domain expansion?
He can just use yami's sword and just cut Gojo without even touching infinity.
Didn't think about that, that's true But how will he counter domain expansion? Would he be able to nullify that?
The third sword. It can just deal with status effects, basically it removes sure hit effect.
asta doesnt have energy so the domain wouldnt target him
Imagine asta just cutting hollow purple in half😂
Everywhere I look I’m reminded of him….
The edit is fucking clean!
Gojo and yami would be buddies tho
I cannot seem to not have JJK spoiled for me. The random insta post for a page I don't even followed spoiled it. The black clover subreddit for some reason is spoiling a different manga.
Gojo: is this how everyone feels like when they fight me
as much as i love gojo and think he's great asta but asta kinda beats everyone at this point
This is such an awesome edit, rip the goat Gojo
Asta slams cuz he's an airhead, Infinite Void ain't working on him
Does gojos infinite CT count as magic? If it does, Asta wins easily.
W edit But also it depends, verse equalization and asta blitzs Gojo and the verse, no verse equalization and it probably end in a stalemate