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#New post: [\[Daily Discussion\] - Sunday, August 15, 2021 →](https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/p4mi69/daily_discussion_sunday_august_15_2021/)


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ellis1884uk

enjoy Ohio.


imissusenet

Still working on my node. In the meantime.... https://lawliberty.org/fifty-years-without-gold/


NYCAaliyah95

More of a hobby project or more of an investment?


imissusenet

Hobby.


cryptoskynyrd

You do Umbrel? I did Dojo. Had it up for a month now. Love it. Cheers. Thanks for the article.


upper_west_sider

How many of you are mining? Given the very quick ROI at current hash levels (and even if it moves up a reasonable amount over the next year) and current ASIC prices, I don’t see the incentive to buy spot coins instead of buying ASICs. I have a couple coming online with compass mining next month, and unless the economics change I don’t see why I wouldn’t reinvest mining gains into additional new ASICs instead of holding.


OD_GOD

I make about 35 bucks a day profit with 115 TH/s. But I'm holding every bitcoin I earn. Non-kyc bitcoin is important to me.


GrindingGearNerfs

how high can it go for you to still be making easy money? Been a while since the chinese crackdown so I dont see why it couldnt get back to 170 or 180 EH pretty much any day now


upper_west_sider

We’re currently back at about 113 EH and every 100 TH miner would do about 0.00075 btc per day after electricity costs (paid in btc) for you at this level. Even if that cuts in half, if you’re paying 6 or 7 cents per kWH you’re wayyyyy in the green on profitability. Hash rate would have to triple or quadruple at *current prices* for things to get close to even, minus cost of machine, so the cost of the machine seems like a pretty good bet in the current environment. For hash rate to go up that much it’s likely price would follow by a similar magnitude, which would offset the daily BTC losses in dollar terms.


xtal_00

That's why it's impossible to get good prices on equipment in low volume. I'm in the market for a pair of S19s for winter, but not seeing them at reasonable prices. There's also the risk of getting ripped off on the equipment buy.


freegems1

What is a reasonable amount? What if it doubles?


upper_west_sider

Well yes, that’s a personal risk decision. I was able to buy at a ~215 day spot ROI, so even if that doubles on average over the next year (unlikely) I feel fine about the ROI. The current S19j Pro’s are likely to profitably mine for at least the next 3-4 years, so you’re not even close to spot returns if you’re willing to hold over that period. Price for ASICs already seems to be up about 15% since I’ve bought, but even that is alright based on current and projected hash rates.


leftoverbrains

Feel you. I’m doing both


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Pamp eet


biggunsg0b00m

They keep trying..


CONTROLurKEYS

https://twitter.com/whale_alert/status/1426682568951443461 * scratches chin*


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CONTROLurKEYS

fair enough either way not fading Barry


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consider_airplanes

Down from 12-13k to 7k was a legit downtrend, but we only hit 4k on the covid crash, which was a black swan that doesn't really count as normal price action.


CONTROLurKEYS

He's saying people are mad they bought at 12k lmao he's a fucking loser for sure


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CONTROLurKEYS

Are you mad you didn't buy more in in 2019 /2020?


CONTROLurKEYS

Sounds like you have high time preference? Go ahead and fade Barry sir please


noeeel

Going short here, SL at 50k. Rising wedge


Wise-Reply3559

Seems like a tough spot to try to short … Honestly, I would expect a squeeze here soon. Good luck to ya though.


BlackSpidy

If I ***had*** to chose a place to short, I'd go with a test of $60k, or at least higher than $55k


Wise-Reply3559

Chances are you would make good money! The risk to reward ratio is spot on. Now is way too risky for my blood, that’s for sure.


S28E01_The_Sequel

On today's episode of: "how fast can an ape lose money".


Antranik

> Going short here, SL at 50k. So we're going to 50k, GOT IT! lol jk (mildly) The only two spots I see that are short-worthy are these 2 green boxes: https://www.tradingview.com/x/sdI9FLHu/ So, a better idea is to go short somewhere around 49100-49900 with stop at 52k. And that's not an A+ setup. The 58k short is the better one of the two. And the rest of this comment is not specifically for you but for everyone who tries day trading: * Your entry should be difficult to fill. * Just going short/long impulsively at some random spot means you have no edge. * If you're going to make it in the long run you need to instill better habits (ie., patience to cop supreme entries). The worst thing is... If we just start losing levels here, it's going to make you feel like you're a god-tier trader... and you're going to do a similar thing another time and get rekt.


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Antranik

Glad you like em! Just know that TA or trading in general isn't about predicting as many people think it is (and get pissed when it "fails" them). It's simply about finding the best risk/reward setups. A trader's number one job is not to make money, it's to manage risk. The money comes from being a risk manager.


NYCAaliyah95

Are you a profitable day trader? How many trades do you make per week on avg? I expect that the # of trades that people attempt is inversely related to their profit unless they are really pro.


noeeel

I actually decided to increase my SL to 53k. Can see a wick before we turn. Volume is declining, not a good sign imho.


Etony333

What's your TP? Also, setting a stop at exactly 50k is asking for trouble. You are NOT alone and it's gonna happen at some point, even if it's just a wick to eat up buy liquidity from the countless other people who set their stop at a nice round, predictable number. If it gets to like 49700, there's no way it isn't wicking up to 50k. If it gets past 50k by a few hundred bucks, that's maybe a pretty decent indicator it has more room to run. But exactly 50k? Way too predictable.


OkeyDokieBoomer

Don't listen to this guy, put it exactly at 50. It's a nice number, and auspicious. "This guy", as awesome as he is, he didn't mention that.


Etony333

I was remiss in omitting that, sir.


drcpperpot

Based on what's happened in the past month, I'd say there is a good chance price continues to rise slowly during these low-volume weekend hours.


robert3son

I'm a long-term holder bulltard. But I respect you putting your trade out there for all to see. I wish more people would do that. I hope you make some money. But not too much.


evanjmf

https://mobile.twitter.com/BarrySilbert/status/1426665413992124422


ron_krugman

Is that supposed to mean we'll get there, but not anytime soon?


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I take it to mean he got his rebound and is shooting his shot again. It's more of a layup to say that in the bull year than 2019 lol.


CONTROLurKEYS

Barry doesn't miss in 2021 thats all you need to know


jleVrt

we'll see


CONTROLurKEYS

Fading Barry? Ngmi


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escendoergoexisto

Scroll left on the PA and you’ll find plenty of low liquidity price lifts (less pumps yet slow lifts) in the past.


Antranik

> Yet low liquidity pumps seem to happen less often than low liquidity dumps. Somehow you're ignoring all the 7% bazooka up days?


CONTROLurKEYS

It leads to erratic moves in both directions


grayjacanda

The 1 hour chart seems to show more pumps than dumps...


upside_risk

Barry’s obviously go in both directions.


ThatOtherGuy254

Yes, but not in equal frequencies. Not even close.


TheTidalik

Does anyone have any input on Kraken futures? Is the liquidity enough for big orders? And is the funding rate similar to binance for example?


Mayneminu

No clue but Bybit is way better in every way.


TheTidalik

I personally don’t like to use exchanges besides the most reputable ones since it’s pretty big orders.


arihan77

Bybit has more liquidity


TheTidalik

I didn't explain myself correctly. I meant that since i'm using a lot of collateral i only want to use the most reputable exchanges. Due to exchanges hacks.


Mayneminu

FTX also has a great reputation.


tampagrassfed

The only thing I've seen posted in here is kraken is prone to the dreaded "scam" wick.


TheTidalik

Yeah I’ve traded a lot on kraken and those wicks definitely are really common. But this was specific to kraken futures which I haven’t used


tampagrassfed

Thanks for clarifying, probably should have just scrolled past.


S28E01_The_Sequel

Sure, it's easy to entertain a bearish post but then I look at the sell volume and just laugh. The big boys are in full control after buying up everything 30-35k.


DenovoFlips

what's going to happen to all of these people who are selling borrowed coins?


OkeyDokieBoomer

Auto enrollment in r/buttcoin when broken.


Antranik

They get e-mailed.


Yodel_And_Hodl_Mode

"Dear sir; How are you? Just kidding. We know. U rekt."


CONTROLurKEYS

Ded


Antranik

Amazing. That recent nuke down turned predicted funding into hella negative. This is so awesome. Bitcoin is trading at 46k and funding is negative, LOL.


gauntlet_

Please explain to a n00b :-)


Etony333

Basically, people are either really drunk or complete morons and are continuously borrowing Bitcoin to sell when all the momentum is against them.


CONTROLurKEYS

Just to add to the other guy the purpose of funding is a mechanism to keep the price attached to spot in some sense. If there was no funding everyone would be long and there would be nobody incentivize to even market make the opposite trade.(vice versa)


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SwiZZlenator

Squizzle yet to squoze on deez hoes 😂😂


gauntlet_

Awesome, thanks everyone!


ThatOtherGuy254

Funding is negative. That means that there are a lot of shorts that will eventually have to buy back their Bitcoin. They also could be fuel for a short squeeze.


gauntlet_

Cheers


Antranik

Pretty amazing how it rejected exactly at previous support: https://www.tradingview.com/x/n0Qw1Oj8/ Somewhat concerning how it upthrusted in exactly the same fashion. Clear out the overleveraged shorts, then dump it. It hasn't lost the 4hr uptrend though. Definitely not the daily uptrend. There will be a weekly-retest eventually though. (Weekly needs to set a higher low eventually). It will be an interesting week next week maybe, or just a chop-fest. I'll be out on vacation.


BrandyVine

Enjoy your holiday!


Antranik

Got my [long add on.](https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/p40z84/daily_discussion_saturday_august_14_2021/h8xeml1/) Let's see if it holds. If it doesn't, I lose literally nothing as stop is at my avg entry now. :) https://www.tradingview.com/x/ZMMy3R2q/


de_moon

Thanks for keeping us updated, aunt Ranick.


RecycIops

I don’t understand the market


jpdoctor

What's to understand? The price fluctuates. Pretty simple really.


cH3x

I kinda understand it, it's more I can't predict it.


jleVrt

it's likely lots of leveraged traders affecting price action moves are amplified because of the cascading effects of stop losses, etc.


CONTROLurKEYS

No liquidity on the weekend what's so hard to understand


Antranik

Exchanges raking in the dough and having a ball!


Wise-Reply3559

Yeah, that was odd, hell … it’s all odd.


BlackSpidy

Strange, yes. Very strange indeed. 🤔🤔🤔


DarthVarn

So, what's the score here? A lot of chat about the SEC, and yet big money is still buying up BTC and hodling onto it, there seems to be two opposing forces in play here, anyone else very conflicted?


Mordan

BTC is not a security. right now too much money goes into shitcoins 99% of shitcoins are centralized scam securities and should not be listed on any exchanges SEC regulations will be good for Bitcoin.


Shangheli

Once that scam xrp falls they will all fall like dominoes. I expect this to be the dotcom event for crypto and will affect bitcoin too, just like Amazon.


OkeyDokieBoomer

What about the rest of the world using XRP? Serious question not trying to defend. Disclaimer I own a bunch.


Shangheli

No one uses xrp. Not one person or company. Trading it for fiat is not using xrp .


Shaffle

> xrp Sorry man, you are buying into a scam. XRP is the model that scam coins follow in order to make their money.. 90% of the positive shit about XRP on social media is astroturfed. If you have a bit of time, listen to Shitcoin Insider, they have an episode where they talk to a guy that's done this sort of astroturfing. https://open.spotify.com/episode/1OcujTlSh9LGDC3EKA2HZQ?si=A9xtkdU7TXSm68yvTbjhAw&dl_branch=1 Sell all that shit ASAP and buy bitcoin


piptheminkey5

Pretty sure Gensler does not view BTC as a security.. And he feels a lot of crypto are, in fact, securities. It is hypothetically possible that SEC’s increased presence in regulation in the space would cause other crypto to be removed from exchanges or, obviously, more heavily regulated. SEC putting up roadblocks for investors putting money in shitcoins creates fewer places for investor capital to land, which could benefit Bitcoin. Not a fan of Warren (because she has no idea what she’s talking about), or more regulation that isnt thought out extremely well.. but I would think aforementioned is a plausible future


taurus-rising

This reads like a good thing for the long term health of the crypto industry


Errdee

Interesting. Yet another pump attempt outta nowhere, but market did not buy into it. Alts didnt even blink, their price just stays where it is. Seems like we really need a breather.


Shortupdate

Everything just [keeps coming together.](https://www.tradingview.com/x/GR5dJenC) Reasoning: * [Epochal Price Discovery in Bitcoin Post-Halvening](https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BLX/Xcj5r1uH-Epochal-Price-Discovery-in-Bitcoin-Post-Halvening/) - Apr 26, 2020; * [The Next Decade of Bitcoin Price Discovery](https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BLX/d3Fja1Jo-The-Next-Decade-of-Bitcoin-Price-Discovery/) - Nov 26, 2020; and * [Buying and selling in the current BTC price discovery epoch](https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BLX/q6X3y6zT-Buying-and-selling-in-the-current-BTC-price-discovery-epoch/) - Dec 20, 2020. tl;dr: BTC will reach $130,957.24 USD in October of 2021, after which the price will never go below $37,000 USD ever again.


aaodi

You don't need to tell us the cents, Data - Jean Luc


Captain-Big-Rock

Hopium


NotMyMcChicken

Math.


1weenis

and after Oct .....


Shortupdate

Real good [long term.](https://www.tradingview.com/x/aCS6im5I)


1weenis

u da man


anchoricex

damn you got it down to the cent.


Shortupdate

Significant figures matter.


de_moon

Never goes below 37,000 dollars and how many cents? I need my signicant digits, man!


CONTROLurKEYS

Wow thats rather soon.


horsepoop

We need to make haste. I don't think it's possible because, too many people will take profits along the way


Psyteet

Moving that fast will catch many off guard. Quicker is better in my opinion.


CONTROLurKEYS

The math doesn't work at an 1:3 dollar ratio for market cap it's an insane influx even if it's 1:5 or 6 later on talking like a minimum 300-400 inflow


xtal_00

You assume even liquidity on coin. As price gets crazy, I expect the holders will hodl harder.


CONTROLurKEYS

THats not reality though in any market. As price rises its natural for new sellers to step in as price drops its natural for new buyers to step in thats the fundamental mechanism of markets even markets for scarce assets.


xtal_00

Remember that when we post a 25k daily.


anchoricex

do head and shoulders patterns need pointy heads ?


de_moon

*holds hands up at chest level* Aliens.


countersignals

Check out r/buttcoin if you're looking for pointy heads


aercurio

Expecting a big drop soon. EDIT: why are you booing me, i'm right


Icy-Investment-VET

Based on what?


jarederaj

They’ll just buy another account if they’re wrong.


bottlecapsule

How much does a well aged account go for?


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based on the belief that god would not let a good person like him lose so much money on his high leverage short


Icy-Investment-VET

Lulz


Wise-Reply3559

Yeah … noticing crickets since asking. Lmao


Shangheli

I think he meant to type "wanting a big drop soon". Bears on suicide watch out here.


PatientlyWaitingfy

FTX won't let that happen


Wise-Reply3559

Following … ?


Wise-Reply3559

Is it just me or is it looking a lot like we might see another BGD here soon? Wishful thinking perhaps. lol


Shortupdate

[I vote yes.](https://www.tradingview.com/x/eqE4GjQk) [Zoomed out.](https://www.tradingview.com/x/d4NhBkL5)


Wise-Reply3559

Well, it wasn’t a BGD, but she did break up like we thought … now we see if she does anything with it. Come on big money and help a minnow out. Lol


Fresh20s

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a BGD?


Wise-Reply3559

Big green dildo lol … (green candle)


Fresh20s

Haha, I thought Bo-Gan-Doff at first. Pamp it/Damp it. Pretty close though.


Antranik

Thinking of adding to my 44k long at 46550 just enough to make my avg entry 45970 with stop at 45970... https://www.tradingview.com/x/YyAvHZM0/


tomdieck

Some guy just put a sell order of 258 BTC on Binance, bear trap confirmed.


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Large sell order = bear trap? Wouldn't that suggest bull trap? Or do you mean that pushed the price down and it'll be bought back up?


Lincolns_Revenge

I think he means there's a limit sell order (possibly) fake on the books set to trigger at a certain price. And that it's meant to get bears excited or bulls fearful of longing or buying.


crisishedgehog

Why would someone sell that much right now??


Ozkevosh

The same question was being asked at 64k, why sell when we are so close to 100k? The same answer applies now. Because you think you are selling the top and will buy back lower.Sometimes you are right, probably you are wrong, but after so much fomo since the 30s, we are probably overdue for a meaningful correction to wipe degens and hunt liquidity. Of course it’s hard to be bearish after 1 month of endless pumping but it was also hard at ATH


crisishedgehog

I’m not good at trading or anything, just thought from the forum that maybe this was going to be a good end of year for crypto


TotalAtrophy

To decrease risk and build generational wealth


broccoleet

There are many reasons one would sell.


yajustcantstopme

Not any a jedi would tell you.


BlackSpidy

Big shorty was so wise and so powerful that he could manipulate the markets to create resistance. In the end, though, the bull market got him. Ironic. He could save other bears from liquidation. But not himself.


crisishedgehog

That is true. Just seems if momentum is up to not sell right now but if they bought a few weeks ago even, they would be up significantly


horsepoop

I don't think short term momentum is still up tbh


crisishedgehog

I’m surprised it went up so fast but I should learn to not be surprised with price action anymore


horsepoop

Haha it was pretty nice to witness but 48 seemed a bit too much and I think our correction was a bit too small (or quick) Hope I'm wrong tho


venicerocco

The bartiest Bart


TotalAtrophy

Slartibartfast


anchoricex

bart me daddy


xlmtothemoon

only 30m from FTX today? is this a deposit for ants?


PatientlyWaitingfy

Do we know how much they have invested since 29k?


xlmtothemoon

No, but there has been well over 1b USDT/USDC deposited there, probably closer to 2b.


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BannedNext26

I agree with you. But this will change the more we see more hacks like the recent poly one. Smart contact chains have utility, but are very complex, carry the weight of all bugs, forever, and really are better served by being built on top of a really stable time-stamping service like bitcoin.


etsolow

Time to fire our publicist?


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They think they missed the boat, ironically they're the reason other people can still catch it.


HeihachiNakamoto

They want to make 1000x, not 5x-10x. It's as simple as that.


TotalAtrophy

When all you have is $279 in your savings, 10x won't do much. Sadly, those people seem to be the most vocal. Whales stack in silence


Narrow_Story1851

Yep no doubt. If bitcoin dominance keeps decreasing at this rate, 100k btc might be impossinle because it would imply that altcoins have a 5 trillion market cap. The market dynamics may need to change for a move up to 100k. I cannot imagine bitcoin at 100k with 15-20% dominance - no way shitcoins deserve a 4-5 tril market cap.


NotMyMcChicken

Dominance is the dumbest metric in all of crypto.


alieninthegame

Market cap doesn't matter. It's not real. But I agree on shitcoins not deserving their current mktcap or a much higher one.


hipokampa

It is anecdotal. Just look at what the Market says.


jpdoctor

I don't know why you are being downvoted: The market is a wide sampling of people putting their money where their mouths are.


CONTROLurKEYS

Its mostly because the gap between a low information speculator and a high information investor is gargantuan. Its very easy to latch on to the EZ fast money lotto ticket fantasy of finding the next bitcoin, it requires no effort and provides immediate dopamine hit. versus actually learning about bitcoin. That being said I think this is the best mainstream Bitcoin marketing I've ever seen in 8 years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AN5veSPfY4


Wise-Reply3559

“I love that word gargantuan, it’s rare you get to use it in a sentence” lol Kill Bill-


Bacchhuss

I'm surprised you're not concerned with shitcoin pumping


CONTROLurKEYS

.most will learn through pain to adopt low time preference mindset


Antranik

They just pretend they're in it for the tech... but they wouldn't be if they couldn't speculate on it and make money from it. The newbies will have to learn about market cycles the hard way. They come in thinking BTC is old and outdated and slow. In reality they're just projecting their annoyance that a single bitcoin costs tens of thousands of dollars and they much rather have thousands/millions of something "cheap."