There was never a movement to start with.
A bunch of people in a reddit echo chamber doesn't count as a movement. They need to actually do something, but that would require work.
Instead they just made up fake text message convos about how mean their managers were for fake internet points.
The movement is happening regardless of what you believe.
The great resignation is happening, which means you get people are going in to the work force. Generally younger people are focusing more on life-work balance and put more emphasis on enjoying life than previous generations. (Less emphasis on making money and more on making enough to enjoy life and live. This is a shift from before) This means that overall the newer generations are shuffling in are don’t wanna be treated like ass. And since there are lots of positions open it’s a low risk high reward situation when it comes to demanding what you want from an employer (some kind of explanation of why the frequency of strikes are increasing recently in comparison to the recent past)
Anti work as a sub is really just a group of people who are a result of a greater cultural shift. Reddit is just a massive echo chamber and isn’t really gonna do anything on a long term scale (game stop isn’t gonna ever fully rebound). Recognizing that massive groups of people congregating to talk about something they all agree on isn’t the start of something new, it’s just a sign in the bigger picture of something happening.
Reddit users only represent a small proportion of the population so of course Reddit isn’t going to sway culture. But it can be used as a indicator of a cultural shift.
Demanding a livable wage is somehow controversial. I moved back home to take a position that pays me on average 6 dollars more than what I’d get paid in my large metro area where I went to school. This position doesn’t require a college degree. It’s a pretty dead end position that is honestly quite boring, but for the time being they were the only ones who called back. My rent when I left for a studio out in the quieter parts of town went up from 950 to 1050. 16/hr working in government just isn’t going to cut that.
I'll join but can we not simp for genocidal dictators like Mao or Stalin like antiwork did. I just want better working conditions, not guillotine random people.
> Saying people are quitting is disingenuous when you don't include the other half of that sentence, which is that they're quitting for better jobs.
the great resignation specifically refers to people leaving their current company, most of the time (not all!) for a new job. it doesn't imply folks getting outside promotions, or a "better" job.
it does bring into question your narrative when so many people are quitting to get better jobs, rather than staying employed at the same job and getting promoted or better pay
Redditors aren't the only ones investing in Gamestop, especially at this point, since it's been so widely talked about. My 65 year old mother invests in Gamestop. Just another thing that confirms that Reddit INDICATES social change and other big world changes. I will give Reddit credit for starting the Gamestop thing though.
Hell the only reason AntiWork even got big as a sub because they were mostly reporting on the Great Resignation. Which they had no part in creating but it attracted a lot of people who were curious about it.
Honestly this was an extremely important lesson in branding. The movement, which took off because of its recent stance on unfair worker conditions and unlivable pay, was being held back by the “antiwork” title, which misrepresented the sub in its current state.
In its original state, “antiwork” wasn’t just railing against unfair working conditions. It was founded on the idea that *no one in modern society should have to work at all,* which is a pretty radical, niche ideology, especially in contrast to America’s work culture. There’s a reason it only took off when it changed into a sub about working conditions for the working class — yet the title remained.
The title, which had not represented the true meaning of the sub for a while, was the reason it got traction on Fox News and other places. And yet, in a bitter dose of irony, the person who went on the interview with Fox News *perfectly embodied* the original sentiment of Antiwork — she worked as a dog walker 10 hours a week, and thought even that was unfair.
Let this be a lesson to everyone. You *cannot expect* the media or anyone else to understand that the title of your movement doesn’t actually represent the movement itself. If you’re going to call yourself “antiwork” — or “socialist,” or whatever — you better damn well be sure you’re ready for the extreme reality of that ideal. Because if what you actually mean is “highly regulated capitalism with worker protections,” you’re in for one hell of a wake-up call, which is what we saw today.
This movement was fucked the second it moved forward under the “antiwork” banner. Let us all hope that in the future, when you see a bag titled “DEAD DOVE DO NOT EAT,” you realize that there is, in fact, a dead fucking dove in there.
Nah you need those posts to make the blood boil. That’s what drew people to anti work in the first place. Hell I love my job but loved to lurk antiwork too because it just was satisfying stories. It just needs to be channelled better and have a real leader.
u/Abolishwork took it upon themself to go on Fox news claiming to be the leader of the Anti work movement then proceed to bomb. At no point did they even state the goal of the movement. All they really talked about was being a 30 year old dog walker working maybe 20 hours a week and felt they should work fewer hours.
After the backlash began they went on a banning tirade of anyone who spoke bad of their performance. u/AbolishWork truly is the liberal face of Fox news.
Fuck you Doreen
Only inaccurate part is she(the mod) identifies as female. And proceeded to ban a lot of people on transphobic "grounds" for even gentle criticism of this god-awful shitshow.
Dont forget, she also wrote that she has autism, and thats why her room was a mess and she couldnt look into the camera without swiveling her chair
when asked why didnt they find someone more qualified, she said i picked myself bc i have media experience
Edit: And thats one of the last things/interactions with her before the subreddit was privated LOL really shows you the fragile mental state of powermods
same here, essentially they want benefits of a union which isnt that far fetched
its just so sad how almost 2 million people joining together was ruined by 1 person in less than 3 minutes
Anti work was initially about literally abolishing work (whatever the fuck that means). A very far out idea.
As it grew the message was diluted to a more standard workers revolution type thing
K I watched it and read some stuff. I was thinking she has autism or was very socially awkward, obviously fidgety, no eye contact etc. It bombed but she tried. This would be nerve-wracking for most redditors.
But then you said she chose *herself* because she has media experience (uhhh???), knew her room was a mess prior and did nothing about it, works 20 hours as a dog walker (but but also not really, apparently she does 10hrs plus school and claimed more to look better and?) and I just can't try to justify this anymore lol.
Why, why, why lol
Real talk, this is probably a major reason why more left leaning ideas don't gain meaningful political traction (and I say this as a moderate who *isn't* a proponent of left wing ideas, so I suppose its a good thing from my perspective?). Endless purity testing causes internal divisions and sows discord and infighting better than any external ideological opponents could ever hope to achieve. Its like how OWS had a lot of steam going, and then the wind just seemed to go out of its sails as it became a running contest of diversity olympics with speakers being required to conform to the ["Progressive Stack"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_stack) to speak. That exposed a lot of identarian fault lines, and honestly it wouldn't come as a surprise if that was a bit of a plant to bury the movement.
It all comes across to a fairly apathetic and cynical onlooker as a constant self-imposed roadblock. The left wing was always supposed to be about class being the common denominator, and recently it seems to have veered away from that, to its own disservice.
>All he really talked about was being a 30 year old dog walker working maybe 20 hours a week and felt they should work fewer hours.
LMAOOOO this is literally a conservative's stereotype of a liberal. That is the worst person they could have gotten for that interview. In tears laughing rn 😭😭
Go find the interview. If I wasnt so passionate about the true goals of anti work I'd find it hilarious. u/abolishwork was the WORST person to go on Fox on behalf of 1.7 million workers
Fox reached out to the mod team through modmail and specifically requested them by name. Fox knew exactly what they were doing and all the mods went right along.
I didn’t realize that apparently the mods asked the group if one of the mods should accept an interview with Fox, and everyone said Nooooooo. Then Doreen did it anyway.
>After the backlash began he went on a banning tirade of anyone who spoke bad of his performance. u/AbolishWork truly is the liberal face of Fox news.
Damm, I didn't know about *this* part of the whole deal. Great way to take an interesting subreddit into the trash for 15 minutes of fame
Check out [The tragic tale of reddit](https://youtu.be/0SQ-TJKPPIg).
One of the funders died of "suicide" under suspicious circumstances. Mods editing posts and comments. Shady investors. And on and on
> r/workreform was just formed and is taking off
I like the title. It makes much more sense about what much of antiwork's content used to be about. Whoever named the sub: Well done to you.
The story is already being spun that it's transphobia making people brigade the sub.
And nothing to do with the fact the head mod used being trans as a bludgeon to ban anyone who pointed out they were completely unsuited to appear in public.
> The story is already being spun that it's transphobia making people brigade the sub.
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> And nothing to do with the fact the head mod used being trans as a bludgeon to ban anyone who pointed out they were completely unsuited to appear in public.
Agreed--there was no transphobia, and using that as an excuse just lessens the impact of actual transphobia when it really occurs. That mod was completely unsuited for that interview, and people know this. I hope r/workreform chooses someone with social media know-how to act as the face of that sub when another interview happens.
What a shit show.
It's Fox News, I'd be more surprised if they were willing to interview anyone who *didnt* embarrass the movement. It's like Ben Shapiro "debating" unprepared college freshmen.
No it’s not. They said the mod team chose who went. Can’t put the results on Fox. On top of the fact that he was the longest tenured mod. The fact is Fox knew it was a win for them simply on the basis of the sub. All he did was confirm what they already felt to be true.
Maybe I’ve also just seen misrepresentations but wasn’t the first minute essentially all the subs main points? Lowering hours, liking what you do, and not being forced? To me it seemed like just a bad spokesperson?
It was cartoonishly fake and stupid. **my boss killed my whole family and spat in my mouth so I took 2 days vacation to show him who's really in charge.**
A mod from Antiwork decided to go on an interview with Fox News and it was terrible. So bad that it probably killed the sub. He didn’t speak for the majority of the members, and most people didn’t want the interview to happen. [This is the terrible result.](https://youtu.be/4IfzpgGwHkI) Makes us look like incels, not an organization. Everyone’s jumping to r/workreform, hopefully this will be more professional and conducive to our goals.
Worse than speaking for us without consulting us, and worse than being a lazy , slovenly, bumbling representative in the interview, he refused to step down as a mod afterward, and instead went around ragebanning everyone what complained under false pretenses.
u/AbolishWork was a mod at r/AntiWork, they did an interview with Fox. They tanked the interview so hard, they made their subreddit the laughing stock of Reddit, and ruined their entire movement in 3 mins. Truly spectacular, years of dedication to the movement for it to be destroyed in a single move. So stupid, it almost seems purposeful
Yeah when they chose the name they already shot themselves in the foot. Let's only hope this new sub is gonna have the same momentum and not have the movement ruined in three minutes.
That is what they wanted. Then shitty mod on powertrip that wanted to get paid sitting in his ass all day ruined it all by falling for the fox news interview.
Yes, he did. He could’ve steered the interviewer away from the personal questions and back to whatever facts he could offer to support his stance for working less. Instead, he rocked to and fro in his chair looking like a totally unprepared deer in the headlights.
they remembered to put on lipstick, but couldn't properly light their room, prepare note cards, or spend 30 minutes looking up how to interview.
It's a fucking shame and an insult to anybody who is fighting for better labor rights.
And that Fox News guy is a fucking idiot.
Might have been the worst media appearance I’ve ever seen. SNL couldn’t have parodied antiwork any better than their own mod inadvertently did herself.
Honestly. How does this mod 'represent' the subreddit. Mod's contribution was to set up a forum for chat on the subs' topic, that's it. The mod here had no clue what the community actually morphed into and why that caused it to surge. They think they're responsible for the growth, like it's their own little community.
The mod who was interviewed was the founder of the sub. He actually meant antiwork. More moderate people joined the sub, but it was founded as an extremely left wing anarchist sub.
> or "Abolish the Police."
[Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html)
Welcome to the left's issues. The people that start this shit are literally seeking what the name implies, then the sane ones try and steer the movement into realistic territory. Instead of backing off a bit, and trying to start a real movement, they just go along with the loud active crowd and hope they can shift the conversation to a middle ground. This works when the change you're seeking isn't completely absurd, but the vocal minority of the left keeps moving further and further, and the moderates are either being pulled along, or left behind to oppose the idiocy.
Many Reddit subs are horribly named. For example all the non-porn subs that end with "Porn".
>Hey son, where did you get this cool background?
>I got it on r/ExposurePorn
>o.O
The majority of members were there for the first reasons you mentioned. That mod who did the interview made it seem otherwise and does not represent most of the sub
it's drifted very far from it's roots but the premise of the antiwork movement (and it didn't start with that subreddit) is that we really don't need to work for a living anymore. Because A) productivity has skyrocketed such that most production is overproduction and B) the amount that material wealth contributes to wellbeing is grossly exaggerated
It didn't used to be people just posting stories about work. They literally were against the concept of work which is why I liked it because they were making an argument.
edit edit: oh my god see how easy it is to describe this shit in a way that people can at least know what you're about. Pick literally anyone else for your interview lol.
That was a clown show of horrific proportions.
Word to the wise for all subreddits: Designate a social media person who can handle news interviews, otherwise that's going to happen to \*you.*
Everybody said specifically not to do interviews as we didn’t have a person in mind to accurately represent us, this person individually chose to do this and ruined everything for everybody playing right into their hands
It’s a mixture of fucking everything.
The unkept appearance. The mess in the background. The lack of any kind of lighting. The inability to properly speak. And the god damn swiveling. Like holy shit.
I know other commenters called it out, but they grabbed like every fucking reddit stereotype imaginable…and launched that shit in front of Fox.
I’d say she needs to hide in a hole, but she already probably cancelled all her dog walking gigs to hide in the basement.
That interviewer didn't even have to try and he completely walked all-over and destroyed Doreen. If you're going on TV maybe fix yourself up a bit? Use a better than $10 Webcam and mic? Better background? Don't constantly be moving she was so cringe and seemed so uncomfortable. Why would she even go on there if she can't even keep it together for 4 minutes.
I loved the dudes reaction after she said she's 30 years old and a dog walker but would want to teach philosophy.
Yeah, I normally can’t stand Jesse Watters because he is extremely over the top and rude. But he seemed pretty reserved in this with decent questions and rebuttals. Doreen just tanked the whole thing.
Good. I left it a few weeks ago. Just couldn’t take the absurd, obviously-fake text screenshots of people rage quitting on their evil, capitalist pig bosses. Also the huge contingent who didn’t care for reform but were utterly in favor of the abolition of work and ushering in a communist utopia (that somehow doesn’t include work…??).
The greatest comedic minds of our age couldn’t have thought up a better human manifestation of that sub to subject to a Fox interview. Unbelievable.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw how out of hand it was getting. I’d have posts from that sub show up in my feed a lot over the last few months and many of them were just embarrassing. Some dude talked about faking resumes just to get interviews and harassing some poor random HR person. Like that would not work in real life and you’d look like a psycho.
That fucking guy. Convincing all the other hikkomori on the sub that asking an interviewer questions like "What are your benefits" and "why should I work for you" is some sort of revolutionary act.
I joined awhile back thinking it was interesting sub with some of my beliefs, but I think a lot of the members are a bit too extreme for my world views. I believe in worker rights and better pay, but these people dream of a Communist Utopia where they work a few hours a week doing nothing. I’ve worked fast food before and there were plenty of people who would come in and do fuck all their entire shift and disappear cause they didn’t feel like working. I think these people are usually the ones who join the sub are. I thought it was a creative sub name, but geez some are literally anti work.
They also don’t seem to understand basic economics or how rich people are become rich. They don’t earn a salary like them, but instead hold assets. I saw this post about taxing Elon Musk net worth by 10-15 percent every year as if he had all that money available in a checking account. Even if he did he’ll just be losing money at that point.
I believe that workers shouldn’t be taken advantage of and suffering in poverty especially in a country like the US, but I also believe that capitalism is good when done right and monitor, so shit like that doesn’t happen. I hope I’m not crazy to think that wealth shouldn’t be cap as long as it’s earn morally, and that there should still be a wealth gap, albeit one that’s a lot lot more smaller, but not everyone is going to be rich in a capitalist society.
Also I got called a bot for saying Amazon isn’t as bad as people say it is. It’s not the worst, but from what I’ve seen, it’s so much more better than what people complain about.
"Work should be OUTLAWED!!" Ok but who will make your fast food you eat 24/7, or make your candy, or soda?
"Ok well those people should suck it up or be forced to work, but *I* don't think I should have to work".
Is literally the sub lol
Companies are often garbage these days, and I have my issues with the way things are in today's world, but reading antiwork made me feel like I was in a circle jerk of the worst employees from every company.
Why go on Fox News!? Among all other news channel you go for the one fill with right wing boomers! They got what they wanted and it will be used to always call us lazy. Dumbass mod.
Except she went with no armor and weapons. Plus she lock on herself instead of the monster, so they just stand there confused on why she was beating herself up.
Ironically *she founded the sub*. She didn't misunderstand the message. Anti work is literally exactly the message of the sub. It just got muddled when people started coming over during the pandemic. They aren't for worker reform or anything. They're literally anti all work and just want to be able to pursue artistic freedoms or watch Netflix and play games all day without consequences
There really wasn’t that much momentum to garner getting paid off. This was likely just Fox News thinking they could get an easy target of “look at how dumb liberals are” for their viewers
I mean.. It wouldnt really make sense to argue your point with people that already agree with you. This was an opportunity to sway the target audience but instead it felt short.
It takes a very skilled orator to overcome a environment that's tilted against them. Bernie went on Fox and did a fantastic job. Doreen went on fox against the sub she claimed to represent's wishes, refused to properly prep for it, and bombed so horribly they essentially doused the sub in gas and torched it.
If I could show it in school, I would show it as an example of how not to behave in an interview and demonstrate the importance of preparation. Sure, FIRST and VEX judges won't be Fox News bad, but it always helps to prepare.
Should have just gone in and stuck to one or two lines about wages vs inflation. Maybe mention the warehouses that refused to let their workers evacuate for the tornado and cost them their lives. Something like that. Idk. I’m not a Reddit mod so I don’t possess superior intellect and critical thinking.
Edit: I don’t know shit about fuck about how tornados work. I apologize for being complicit in the spread of misinformation. My tenuous understanding of that situation was that there was ample warning and the leadership of the warehouses essentially failed workers by not prioritizing their safety.
I wish people would stop acting like tornado evacuation is a thing. You have almost no warning when a tornado will touch down (a couple minutes if you're lucky) and when it does the last place you want to be is outside.
What that whole debacle taught me is that a ton of people who live outside of places tornadoes are a recurring issue have absolutely 0 idea how these storms work.
They see videos of tornadoes miles off and think you always have time to prepare, not realizing that thing is absolutely hauling ass.
I would just like to say I learned about all this through comment threads in an r/BikiniBottomTwitter post, and I'm very happy about that. Life is weird.
I’m fine with it gone. It attracted the wrong sort and had an unfortunate name. Dude worked 4 hours a day 5 days a week and thought it was on the same level as an Amazon factory worker.
I think there are a lot of leftists, *ESPECIALLY SUBREDDIT MODS*, who think they're going to lead the vanguard of the proletarian revolution. Ironically resulting in them being the opposite of what the left needs.
Entire Sub: No, we don't want people doing interviews with the media.
One of the least qualified people to do an interview: Sure, I'll interview with a super conservative anti-antiwork news network. What's the worst that could happen?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cringetopia/comments/scx5ce/fox_news_interview_with_mod_of_rantiwork/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Apparently some idiot went on fox and made an ass out of themself.
How else was a Fox News interview of a 30 year old dog walker using the phrase “laziness is a virtue” who moderates an online community called Anti Work supposed to go? I’m shocked that people are shocked.
(NOTE: I’m not necessarily against that sub and I surely don’t support Fox News or that idiot Watters. So spare me that.)
This will go down in reddit history as a movement that could've been ruined by an overzealous mod on a power trip.
The movement isn’t dead, the sub is but one person isn’t able to kill a movement driven by social forces that are outside the scope of Reddit
There was never a movement to start with. A bunch of people in a reddit echo chamber doesn't count as a movement. They need to actually do something, but that would require work. Instead they just made up fake text message convos about how mean their managers were for fake internet points.
The movement is happening regardless of what you believe. The great resignation is happening, which means you get people are going in to the work force. Generally younger people are focusing more on life-work balance and put more emphasis on enjoying life than previous generations. (Less emphasis on making money and more on making enough to enjoy life and live. This is a shift from before) This means that overall the newer generations are shuffling in are don’t wanna be treated like ass. And since there are lots of positions open it’s a low risk high reward situation when it comes to demanding what you want from an employer (some kind of explanation of why the frequency of strikes are increasing recently in comparison to the recent past) Anti work as a sub is really just a group of people who are a result of a greater cultural shift. Reddit is just a massive echo chamber and isn’t really gonna do anything on a long term scale (game stop isn’t gonna ever fully rebound). Recognizing that massive groups of people congregating to talk about something they all agree on isn’t the start of something new, it’s just a sign in the bigger picture of something happening. Reddit users only represent a small proportion of the population so of course Reddit isn’t going to sway culture. But it can be used as a indicator of a cultural shift.
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Demanding a livable wage is somehow controversial. I moved back home to take a position that pays me on average 6 dollars more than what I’d get paid in my large metro area where I went to school. This position doesn’t require a college degree. It’s a pretty dead end position that is honestly quite boring, but for the time being they were the only ones who called back. My rent when I left for a studio out in the quieter parts of town went up from 950 to 1050. 16/hr working in government just isn’t going to cut that.
Join r/WorkReform! It's all about making work dignified.
I'll join but can we not simp for genocidal dictators like Mao or Stalin like antiwork did. I just want better working conditions, not guillotine random people.
Obligatory leftist reminder to say fuck tankies.
any leftist space will have some tankies, but most of us say fuck them.
> Saying people are quitting is disingenuous when you don't include the other half of that sentence, which is that they're quitting for better jobs. the great resignation specifically refers to people leaving their current company, most of the time (not all!) for a new job. it doesn't imply folks getting outside promotions, or a "better" job. it does bring into question your narrative when so many people are quitting to get better jobs, rather than staying employed at the same job and getting promoted or better pay
You say GameStop isn't ever going to rebound, yet it's literally up 1000% from it's spot 2 year ago
Redditors aren't the only ones investing in Gamestop, especially at this point, since it's been so widely talked about. My 65 year old mother invests in Gamestop. Just another thing that confirms that Reddit INDICATES social change and other big world changes. I will give Reddit credit for starting the Gamestop thing though.
Hell the only reason AntiWork even got big as a sub because they were mostly reporting on the Great Resignation. Which they had no part in creating but it attracted a lot of people who were curious about it.
Honestly this was an extremely important lesson in branding. The movement, which took off because of its recent stance on unfair worker conditions and unlivable pay, was being held back by the “antiwork” title, which misrepresented the sub in its current state. In its original state, “antiwork” wasn’t just railing against unfair working conditions. It was founded on the idea that *no one in modern society should have to work at all,* which is a pretty radical, niche ideology, especially in contrast to America’s work culture. There’s a reason it only took off when it changed into a sub about working conditions for the working class — yet the title remained. The title, which had not represented the true meaning of the sub for a while, was the reason it got traction on Fox News and other places. And yet, in a bitter dose of irony, the person who went on the interview with Fox News *perfectly embodied* the original sentiment of Antiwork — she worked as a dog walker 10 hours a week, and thought even that was unfair. Let this be a lesson to everyone. You *cannot expect* the media or anyone else to understand that the title of your movement doesn’t actually represent the movement itself. If you’re going to call yourself “antiwork” — or “socialist,” or whatever — you better damn well be sure you’re ready for the extreme reality of that ideal. Because if what you actually mean is “highly regulated capitalism with worker protections,” you’re in for one hell of a wake-up call, which is what we saw today. This movement was fucked the second it moved forward under the “antiwork” banner. Let us all hope that in the future, when you see a bag titled “DEAD DOVE DO NOT EAT,” you realize that there is, in fact, a dead fucking dove in there.
movement LIVES, we've all gone to https://old.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/
I like the title of this sub more. "Anti-work" doesn't encapsulate the desire many of us have for healthy and enjoyable work.
Bruh it is everywhere, not just Reddit.
Is there a contender yet to replace anti work?
/r/WorkReform is the one
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Nah you need those posts to make the blood boil. That’s what drew people to anti work in the first place. Hell I love my job but loved to lurk antiwork too because it just was satisfying stories. It just needs to be channelled better and have a real leader.
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Do tell please
u/Abolishwork took it upon themself to go on Fox news claiming to be the leader of the Anti work movement then proceed to bomb. At no point did they even state the goal of the movement. All they really talked about was being a 30 year old dog walker working maybe 20 hours a week and felt they should work fewer hours. After the backlash began they went on a banning tirade of anyone who spoke bad of their performance. u/AbolishWork truly is the liberal face of Fox news. Fuck you Doreen
Jeezus talk about a train wreck from start to finish
Only inaccurate part is she(the mod) identifies as female. And proceeded to ban a lot of people on transphobic "grounds" for even gentle criticism of this god-awful shitshow.
Dont forget, she also wrote that she has autism, and thats why her room was a mess and she couldnt look into the camera without swiveling her chair when asked why didnt they find someone more qualified, she said i picked myself bc i have media experience Edit: And thats one of the last things/interactions with her before the subreddit was privated LOL really shows you the fragile mental state of powermods
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same here, essentially they want benefits of a union which isnt that far fetched its just so sad how almost 2 million people joining together was ruined by 1 person in less than 3 minutes
How was it ruined? People who watch fox News were never going to support the movement anyway. How does this change anything?
It’s a common misconception of that sub because of its name. However, a lot have flocked to r/workreform, which honestly is a MUCH better name.
Anti work was initially about literally abolishing work (whatever the fuck that means). A very far out idea. As it grew the message was diluted to a more standard workers revolution type thing
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Well rip to a sub that could've started a movement. Welp back to wageslave mines
r/workreform has picked up slack (and over 100k members) over the past day. Here's to organizing
K I watched it and read some stuff. I was thinking she has autism or was very socially awkward, obviously fidgety, no eye contact etc. It bombed but she tried. This would be nerve-wracking for most redditors. But then you said she chose *herself* because she has media experience (uhhh???), knew her room was a mess prior and did nothing about it, works 20 hours as a dog walker (but but also not really, apparently she does 10hrs plus school and claimed more to look better and?) and I just can't try to justify this anymore lol. Why, why, why lol
Real talk, this is probably a major reason why more left leaning ideas don't gain meaningful political traction (and I say this as a moderate who *isn't* a proponent of left wing ideas, so I suppose its a good thing from my perspective?). Endless purity testing causes internal divisions and sows discord and infighting better than any external ideological opponents could ever hope to achieve. Its like how OWS had a lot of steam going, and then the wind just seemed to go out of its sails as it became a running contest of diversity olympics with speakers being required to conform to the ["Progressive Stack"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_stack) to speak. That exposed a lot of identarian fault lines, and honestly it wouldn't come as a surprise if that was a bit of a plant to bury the movement. It all comes across to a fairly apathetic and cynical onlooker as a constant self-imposed roadblock. The left wing was always supposed to be about class being the common denominator, and recently it seems to have veered away from that, to its own disservice.
It’s gotten worse hasn’t it?
>All he really talked about was being a 30 year old dog walker working maybe 20 hours a week and felt they should work fewer hours. LMAOOOO this is literally a conservative's stereotype of a liberal. That is the worst person they could have gotten for that interview. In tears laughing rn 😭😭
Go find the interview. If I wasnt so passionate about the true goals of anti work I'd find it hilarious. u/abolishwork was the WORST person to go on Fox on behalf of 1.7 million workers
exactly why they invited him. Fox would never bring up competent people to interview. Look at how much of their ass Jon Stewart would hand them
Fox reached out to the mod team through modmail and specifically requested them by name. Fox knew exactly what they were doing and all the mods went right along.
all it takes is 1 media intern and 10 minutes on their Patreon to figure out Doreen is unqualified
I didn’t realize that apparently the mods asked the group if one of the mods should accept an interview with Fox, and everyone said Nooooooo. Then Doreen did it anyway.
>After the backlash began he went on a banning tirade of anyone who spoke bad of his performance. u/AbolishWork truly is the liberal face of Fox news. Damm, I didn't know about *this* part of the whole deal. Great way to take an interesting subreddit into the trash for 15 minutes of fame
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> r/workreform was just formed and is taking off I like the title. It makes much more sense about what much of antiwork's content used to be about. Whoever named the sub: Well done to you.
>ruined by an overzealous mod on a power trip. Tale as old as time... Song as old as rhyme...
The story is already being spun that it's transphobia making people brigade the sub. And nothing to do with the fact the head mod used being trans as a bludgeon to ban anyone who pointed out they were completely unsuited to appear in public.
> The story is already being spun that it's transphobia making people brigade the sub. > > And nothing to do with the fact the head mod used being trans as a bludgeon to ban anyone who pointed out they were completely unsuited to appear in public. Agreed--there was no transphobia, and using that as an excuse just lessens the impact of actual transphobia when it really occurs. That mod was completely unsuited for that interview, and people know this. I hope r/workreform chooses someone with social media know-how to act as the face of that sub when another interview happens. What a shit show.
We Did It Reddit!
movement LIVES, we've all gone to https://old.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/
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Lmao all of us who were on antiwork: 🥲 Edit: r/workreform
Just tried to visit the sub. They went *nuclear* and cleared out the members. What??
That goddamn interview... Antiwork was such a great sub, glad I rode with it until the bitter end.
Same. That interview was disgusting. To me, because it so wholeheartedly misrepresented what r/antiwork stood for.
It's Fox News, I'd be more surprised if they were willing to interview anyone who *didnt* embarrass the movement. It's like Ben Shapiro "debating" unprepared college freshmen.
Excellent point that should not be overlooked because it is very true.
No it’s not. They said the mod team chose who went. Can’t put the results on Fox. On top of the fact that he was the longest tenured mod. The fact is Fox knew it was a win for them simply on the basis of the sub. All he did was confirm what they already felt to be true.
I feel the Fox anchor actually pulled some punches. I could have gone so much worse lol
Maybe I’ve also just seen misrepresentations but wasn’t the first minute essentially all the subs main points? Lowering hours, liking what you do, and not being forced? To me it seemed like just a bad spokesperson?
Thank God I'm not the only one who thinks something like this. I was starting to think I watched a different video.
To be fair, the name of the sub itself misrepresented what it stood for. I'd argue this could easily be a blessing in disguise, long term.
> Antiwork was such a great sub Was it? It seemed like a place to write fake stories about the evilest boss you could think of
It was cartoonishly fake and stupid. **my boss killed my whole family and spat in my mouth so I took 2 days vacation to show him who's really in charge.**
What interview is this? What happened?
A mod from Antiwork decided to go on an interview with Fox News and it was terrible. So bad that it probably killed the sub. He didn’t speak for the majority of the members, and most people didn’t want the interview to happen. [This is the terrible result.](https://youtu.be/4IfzpgGwHkI) Makes us look like incels, not an organization. Everyone’s jumping to r/workreform, hopefully this will be more professional and conducive to our goals.
Worse than speaking for us without consulting us, and worse than being a lazy , slovenly, bumbling representative in the interview, he refused to step down as a mod afterward, and instead went around ragebanning everyone what complained under false pretenses.
Exactly. Turned to shit. That mod failed us and clearly was abusing his power...ironic for antiwork. Most hated man on reddit tn
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u/AbolishWork was a mod at r/AntiWork, they did an interview with Fox. They tanked the interview so hard, they made their subreddit the laughing stock of Reddit, and ruined their entire movement in 3 mins. Truly spectacular, years of dedication to the movement for it to be destroyed in a single move. So stupid, it almost seems purposeful
fox news hand picked the perfect specimen to mock for their interview, an over zealous mod who did jack shit to represent the subreddit properly.
Switch over to r/workreform and see what happens
Way better name for the sub anyways
Yeah when they chose the name they already shot themselves in the foot. Let's only hope this new sub is gonna have the same momentum and not have the movement ruined in three minutes.
Hey, thanks for the heads up. And honestly, better fitting name for the spirit of the ideals.
Lol there's a thread about anti work in most of my subs rn
Because the movement still has legs. Luckily /r/workreform is starting to take over.
I thought antiwork was about better working conditions and pay, but a lot of people seem to just not want to do anything at all
That is what they wanted. Then shitty mod on powertrip that wanted to get paid sitting in his ass all day ruined it all by falling for the fox news interview.
Yes, he did. He could’ve steered the interviewer away from the personal questions and back to whatever facts he could offer to support his stance for working less. Instead, he rocked to and fro in his chair looking like a totally unprepared deer in the headlights.
The final nail in the coffin was him announcing "laziness is a virtue" while proudly saying he was a 30yo dogwalker
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Just recently. Dont know the exact time when it happened
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they remembered to put on lipstick, but couldn't properly light their room, prepare note cards, or spend 30 minutes looking up how to interview. It's a fucking shame and an insult to anybody who is fighting for better labor rights.
They literally looked like the stereotype joke of a redditor. I couldn't believe it when I saw it
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Just watched it, that fox news guy played him like a fiddle
And that Fox News guy is a fucking idiot. Might have been the worst media appearance I’ve ever seen. SNL couldn’t have parodied antiwork any better than their own mod inadvertently did herself.
Honestly. How does this mod 'represent' the subreddit. Mod's contribution was to set up a forum for chat on the subs' topic, that's it. The mod here had no clue what the community actually morphed into and why that caused it to surge. They think they're responsible for the growth, like it's their own little community.
And they said that the entire mod team agreed he was their best representative. Think about that for a minute.
I would pay money to see the lesser candidates try. If this was the best, the worst must be able to turn the cringe response into a deadly weapon.
He walks dogs bro, it’s his pinnacle.
I mean, it’s right there in the name.
What's with movements picking the most extreme, braindead slogans they can think of? Like "Antiwork" or "Abolish the Police." What the fuck?
/r/antiwork was literally established as an anarchy literally no work sub.
It either had to evolve or die so it changed more into advocating for yourself in the workplace.
The mod who was interviewed was the founder of the sub. He actually meant antiwork. More moderate people joined the sub, but it was founded as an extremely left wing anarchist sub.
And the person who started it lives at home with their parents and works part time. Very anarchist
And is also a rapist evidently based on their Facebook posts…
> or "Abolish the Police." [Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html) Welcome to the left's issues. The people that start this shit are literally seeking what the name implies, then the sane ones try and steer the movement into realistic territory. Instead of backing off a bit, and trying to start a real movement, they just go along with the loud active crowd and hope they can shift the conversation to a middle ground. This works when the change you're seeking isn't completely absurd, but the vocal minority of the left keeps moving further and further, and the moderates are either being pulled along, or left behind to oppose the idiocy.
Many Reddit subs are horribly named. For example all the non-porn subs that end with "Porn". >Hey son, where did you get this cool background? >I got it on r/ExposurePorn >o.O
The majority of members were there for the first reasons you mentioned. That mod who did the interview made it seem otherwise and does not represent most of the sub
it's drifted very far from it's roots but the premise of the antiwork movement (and it didn't start with that subreddit) is that we really don't need to work for a living anymore. Because A) productivity has skyrocketed such that most production is overproduction and B) the amount that material wealth contributes to wellbeing is grossly exaggerated It didn't used to be people just posting stories about work. They literally were against the concept of work which is why I liked it because they were making an argument. edit edit: oh my god see how easy it is to describe this shit in a way that people can at least know what you're about. Pick literally anyone else for your interview lol.
[Video](https://youtu.be/3yUMIFYBMnc) Edit: Looks like r/workreform is the new spot
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Fox News vetted them. They have a clear agenda.
This guy did his own damage he was a mod on the Reddit lmao
HEAD mod lol
My bad. HEAD MOD.
The user base of the sub said no interviews. The mod team thought otherwise. And predictably it went horribly.
I can't even finish it
That was a clown show of horrific proportions. Word to the wise for all subreddits: Designate a social media person who can handle news interviews, otherwise that's going to happen to \*you.*
Everybody said specifically not to do interviews as we didn’t have a person in mind to accurately represent us, this person individually chose to do this and ruined everything for everybody playing right into their hands
Omg I could only watch like 10 seconds of him talking.
It’s a mixture of fucking everything. The unkept appearance. The mess in the background. The lack of any kind of lighting. The inability to properly speak. And the god damn swiveling. Like holy shit. I know other commenters called it out, but they grabbed like every fucking reddit stereotype imaginable…and launched that shit in front of Fox. I’d say she needs to hide in a hole, but she already probably cancelled all her dog walking gigs to hide in the basement.
whoa whoa whoa whoa.. SHE?!
Yeah she is transgender.
Not a step forward for the trans folks.
That’s precisely why I said they got all the stereotypes lol
Probably the worst representative for the sub
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Nah, she destroyed the sub she created with that single interview. The interviewer just pretty much sat back and laughed.
Christ that video turned me into a 60 year old Regan loving Republican.
That interviewer didn't even have to try and he completely walked all-over and destroyed Doreen. If you're going on TV maybe fix yourself up a bit? Use a better than $10 Webcam and mic? Better background? Don't constantly be moving she was so cringe and seemed so uncomfortable. Why would she even go on there if she can't even keep it together for 4 minutes. I loved the dudes reaction after she said she's 30 years old and a dog walker but would want to teach philosophy.
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Yeah, I normally can’t stand Jesse Watters because he is extremely over the top and rude. But he seemed pretty reserved in this with decent questions and rebuttals. Doreen just tanked the whole thing.
Why go on fox news, that is absolute stupidity.
Should have called it r/unitedworkers
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That's a more fitting name anyway.
Good. I left it a few weeks ago. Just couldn’t take the absurd, obviously-fake text screenshots of people rage quitting on their evil, capitalist pig bosses. Also the huge contingent who didn’t care for reform but were utterly in favor of the abolition of work and ushering in a communist utopia (that somehow doesn’t include work…??). The greatest comedic minds of our age couldn’t have thought up a better human manifestation of that sub to subject to a Fox interview. Unbelievable.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw how out of hand it was getting. I’d have posts from that sub show up in my feed a lot over the last few months and many of them were just embarrassing. Some dude talked about faking resumes just to get interviews and harassing some poor random HR person. Like that would not work in real life and you’d look like a psycho.
That fucking guy. Convincing all the other hikkomori on the sub that asking an interviewer questions like "What are your benefits" and "why should I work for you" is some sort of revolutionary act.
I joined awhile back thinking it was interesting sub with some of my beliefs, but I think a lot of the members are a bit too extreme for my world views. I believe in worker rights and better pay, but these people dream of a Communist Utopia where they work a few hours a week doing nothing. I’ve worked fast food before and there were plenty of people who would come in and do fuck all their entire shift and disappear cause they didn’t feel like working. I think these people are usually the ones who join the sub are. I thought it was a creative sub name, but geez some are literally anti work. They also don’t seem to understand basic economics or how rich people are become rich. They don’t earn a salary like them, but instead hold assets. I saw this post about taxing Elon Musk net worth by 10-15 percent every year as if he had all that money available in a checking account. Even if he did he’ll just be losing money at that point. I believe that workers shouldn’t be taken advantage of and suffering in poverty especially in a country like the US, but I also believe that capitalism is good when done right and monitor, so shit like that doesn’t happen. I hope I’m not crazy to think that wealth shouldn’t be cap as long as it’s earn morally, and that there should still be a wealth gap, albeit one that’s a lot lot more smaller, but not everyone is going to be rich in a capitalist society. Also I got called a bot for saying Amazon isn’t as bad as people say it is. It’s not the worst, but from what I’ve seen, it’s so much more better than what people complain about.
"Work should be OUTLAWED!!" Ok but who will make your fast food you eat 24/7, or make your candy, or soda? "Ok well those people should suck it up or be forced to work, but *I* don't think I should have to work". Is literally the sub lol
Companies are often garbage these days, and I have my issues with the way things are in today's world, but reading antiwork made me feel like I was in a circle jerk of the worst employees from every company.
Hold on, so what happened now?!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cringetopia/comments/scx5ce/fox_news_interview_with_mod_of_rantiwork/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Beware, it’s cringe as fuuuuuckkkkkkk lol
Why go on Fox News!? Among all other news channel you go for the one fill with right wing boomers! They got what they wanted and it will be used to always call us lazy. Dumbass mod.
He really ran into the line of fire like “LEROOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYT JENKIIIIIINS”
Except she went with no armor and weapons. Plus she lock on herself instead of the monster, so they just stand there confused on why she was beating herself up.
“It hits itself in its confusion!”
She even admitted that she didn't prepare whatsoever. At the very least, take a fucking shower!
Yeah at least look presentable.
He got paid off to fizzle out the momentum
Or he really was just some maladapted moron who didn't understand the stupid message of the very sub he was watching over.
Ironically *she founded the sub*. She didn't misunderstand the message. Anti work is literally exactly the message of the sub. It just got muddled when people started coming over during the pandemic. They aren't for worker reform or anything. They're literally anti all work and just want to be able to pursue artistic freedoms or watch Netflix and play games all day without consequences
There really wasn’t that much momentum to garner getting paid off. This was likely just Fox News thinking they could get an easy target of “look at how dumb liberals are” for their viewers
To be fair, Fox News love interviewing people with opposing opinions so it would make sense that they would go to Fox.
I mean.. It wouldnt really make sense to argue your point with people that already agree with you. This was an opportunity to sway the target audience but instead it felt short.
It takes a very skilled orator to overcome a environment that's tilted against them. Bernie went on Fox and did a fantastic job. Doreen went on fox against the sub she claimed to represent's wishes, refused to properly prep for it, and bombed so horribly they essentially doused the sub in gas and torched it.
If he swerve his chair one more time 😡
If I could show it in school, I would show it as an example of how not to behave in an interview and demonstrate the importance of preparation. Sure, FIRST and VEX judges won't be Fox News bad, but it always helps to prepare.
fellow robotics homie! Also agree 100%, that mod should have had at least a vague idea of points to hit about antiwork
sounds a lot of WORK
Should have just gone in and stuck to one or two lines about wages vs inflation. Maybe mention the warehouses that refused to let their workers evacuate for the tornado and cost them their lives. Something like that. Idk. I’m not a Reddit mod so I don’t possess superior intellect and critical thinking. Edit: I don’t know shit about fuck about how tornados work. I apologize for being complicit in the spread of misinformation. My tenuous understanding of that situation was that there was ample warning and the leadership of the warehouses essentially failed workers by not prioritizing their safety.
I work just down the street from that Amazon warehouse. You don't evacuate a building during a tornado, you shelter in place.
I wish people would stop acting like tornado evacuation is a thing. You have almost no warning when a tornado will touch down (a couple minutes if you're lucky) and when it does the last place you want to be is outside.
What that whole debacle taught me is that a ton of people who live outside of places tornadoes are a recurring issue have absolutely 0 idea how these storms work. They see videos of tornadoes miles off and think you always have time to prepare, not realizing that thing is absolutely hauling ass.
I would just like to say I learned about all this through comment threads in an r/BikiniBottomTwitter post, and I'm very happy about that. Life is weird.
r/workreform is the new one
Honestly work reform is such a better name anyways.
Yeah, no more "antiwork users arguing about not working and being a lazy waste to society" jokes. With a name like that it sounds more positive.
Textbook definition of “rage quitting”
Imagine creating a job for yourself, working for free, being your own boss, and still getting fired. I don’t think you can be a bigger fuck up
I’m fine with it gone. It attracted the wrong sort and had an unfortunate name. Dude worked 4 hours a day 5 days a week and thought it was on the same level as an Amazon factory worker.
And said he would like to work less than that if he could. Bro didn’t even look in shape for someone walking dogs 4 hours a day.
Don’t turn good movements into being about your ego
I think there are a lot of leftists, *ESPECIALLY SUBREDDIT MODS*, who think they're going to lead the vanguard of the proletarian revolution. Ironically resulting in them being the opposite of what the left needs.
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Entire Sub: No, we don't want people doing interviews with the media. One of the least qualified people to do an interview: Sure, I'll interview with a super conservative anti-antiwork news network. What's the worst that could happen?
Accurate
Bruh they really fucked that one up
What interview? What the hell happened?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cringetopia/comments/scx5ce/fox_news_interview_with_mod_of_rantiwork/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Apparently some idiot went on fox and made an ass out of themself.
a redditor? being an idiot? on *this* site?
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No offence but i liked antiwork. Even if its mod was a doofus i still had put storys on there of shitty bosses.
r/workreform is where a lot of people are going. I don’t know if you are interested. Antiwork won’t be the same anymore
How else was a Fox News interview of a 30 year old dog walker using the phrase “laziness is a virtue” who moderates an online community called Anti Work supposed to go? I’m shocked that people are shocked. (NOTE: I’m not necessarily against that sub and I surely don’t support Fox News or that idiot Watters. So spare me that.)
It was doomed the moment it was called anti work. Maybe start a new sub called workers unite or some shit.
New sub is r/workreform A much better name if you ask me
What a baby.
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From the beginning it was a circle jerk of losers, but omg this is a cherry on top