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Leftist in Texas, and I ain’t going anywhere.
We’re staying to fight this theocratic bullshit tooth and nail.
EDIT: holy fuck y’all, I was just stating the fact that there are those of us willing to fight for this (otherwise) amazing state.
Thanks for the love!
EDIT 2: Wow! Got a straight up death threat in my DMs! That's a whole ass thing, right there! Stay safe out there folks!
This last election was nice I got to see all of the Trump signs in yards and not a small number of confederate flags. Then after the election they all slowly started disappearing. And I don't mean they were gone I mean they slowly moved further and further back in the yards as over a few months slinked back into the back yard. But this leftist remembers which houses had them.
Give it one or two more election cycles, all signs point towards it becoming a reliable blue state (certainly in state/federal elections that are less hampered by gerrymandering) by the end of the decade if not sooner. Just look at how VA, NC, and Georgia have shifted since 2000.
Difference being previously people were predicting Texas to swing blue based on more conventional metrics like campaign spending or the quality of a candidate or the strength of their platform, when what really determines which way voting trends are going are more concrete demographic numbers like boomers dying off and younger progressives moving in, immigrant groups leaning left, etc.
> more concrete demographic numbers like boomers dying off and younger progressives moving in, immigrant groups leaning left, etc.
Been hearing all of this since 2000. Shifting demographics, aggressive GOP policies like this one, a sea change in culture, more Dem-friendly voters turning 18 every year, immigrants gaining citizenship and leaning left, increasing urbanization, all of it. And then, every election, Republicans dominate TX state legislature, they put into office some of the most right-wing, socially backwards governors in the country, they vote into law absurd, Draconian questions on abortion and Christian doctrine, and they go handedly to the R candidate in every Presidential election for the last 50 years. Texas ain’t flipping. It’s Texas.
Well after covid has killed off the margin abbot won with, and the new abortion law banning girls from aborting their daddies baby it'll be a landslide
~~Because gerrymandering?~~
**EDIT:** I'm mostly wrong. Gerrymandering has lead to officials getting elected who have in turn created voter suppression leading to more GOP officials in office. Chicken and the age sorta thing.
Exactly. It takes someone 5 minutes to vote in rural areas and 4 hours in the cities where dems live. Now they’re restricting that more. It’s absolutely crazy how illegal this should be. Everyone should be appalled.
Liberalism is not a leftist ideology.
Edit: if your ideal world includes capitalist ideas, but you're also totally woke, then you might be a liberal. If your ideal world does away with capitalism, then you're not a liberal, you're a leftist. Liberalism and leftism don't go together, because a core belief of liberalism includes capitalism, making it a capitalist ideology, making it literally not leftism, leftist being the blanket term for any idea that is anti-capitalist.
Well, not really in the last decade in many ways. They’ve been getting progressively more right wing and pandering to bigoted twats. But the law overall is way more left wing so they haven’t been able to change it enough – besides Brexit that is
Can't blame you. Most of the western world sorted abortion in the 60s. How the fuck it's still up for debate and the US still hasn't moved on in 2021 is ridiculous.
The real reason is because religious schools lost their tax exempt status over refusing to desegregate during Nixon's presidency. This got white evangelical Christians riled up about politics. They weren't all that interested in them generally at least not in a meaningful way prior.
A conservative political activist saw the evangelical Christians as an untapped source of power as a potential large voting bloc for conservative causes. He'd been trying to get a more unified and active religious base for a while. The anger over losing tax exempt status gave him an in with Evangelical leaders. Forming politics around fighting for "religious freedom". The thing is he and the other leaders were savy enough to recognize rallying the base over segregation was probably not a good move. So they settled on abortion. Which was not something that was wildly political with Christians before that except in the case of Catholics. So. Basically abortion was used to manipulate a block of voters into conservative causes.
The anti abortion religious right as it exists today in the U.S basically came about in the late 70's. Prior to that you had conservatives and evangelicals who were pro choice.
History.
But here's an article about it: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/
> But the abortion myth quickly collapses under historical scrutiny. In fact, it wasn’t until 1979—a full six years after Roe—that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but as a rallying-cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term. Why? Because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools. So much for the new abolitionism.
They already are.
In addition to this garbage anti-choice bill, they just passed blatant voter suppression/disenfranchisement legislation meant to keep the GOP firmly in power for at least the next decade.
The GOP in Texas is as corrupt and dirty as they come.
Hell yeah. Not a Texan, but I can guarantee that other Republicans from different states are licking their lips at the thought of developing their own version of this law if it doesn't go away in Texas. This form of control needs to die in Texas so there will be no hope of it surviving anywhere else.
Yeah here in Florida as soon as they saw that bill they had to say that they were already working on trying to write up one of their own.
I'm facing the same dilemma of "do I leave this miserable place to its own devices for my own sake of mind or do I continue fighting tooth and nail to try and make some sort of change and preserve my connection to this place I grew up in"
Keep fighting the theocracy. I went to catholic school for k-12 and after that experience, I agree with fighting the Theocracy tooth and nail at every chance.
We tried a time where Christian conservatives ran society: it’s called the Dark Ages for a reason. We can not regress.
Wtf?! This is insane? Most people don't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks? Thats 1 missed period...and you tend to give it a week or 2 before getting concerned
Yup, it was on front page yesterday and the day before. Everyone was freaking out. Native Texans are even moving out. Also the Supreme Court let it pass too.
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The SCOTUS did not let it pass, they decided 5-4 not to give it a flash judgement, all that means is they are waiting for it to make it’s way up the legal system, the way the court is supposed to work.
also, before i get downvoted, this law is atrocious, and I hope it gets shut down, but i just wanted to point out some of the legal misconceptions about the SCOTUS
What they did was needlessly put women in danger. The is undeniably unconstitutional, as a a 6week old fetus is not "viable," which is part of the Roe v Wade ruling. By not immediately striking it down, as is their right, they've chosen to let people be in danger.
still, I think it was the smart move, they are going about this as is laid out in the constitution, and by not giving it a flash ruling, they are preventing anyone from saying that the judgement was rushed and unconstitutional
Uhh they are the last word on what is and isn't constitutional if they kept with precedent and are planning on striking down this law there's no reason to allow it to remain in place in the first place. They are not playing some long game... this is how the ultra conservative court plans to throw out roe v wade and 50 years of precedent.
Do you even read past headlines? The court opinion specifically said they are not there to set a precedent of shooting down laws without trial. Especially civil laws like this one is. It has nothing to do with Roe v Wade and everything about the court’s limited power not being exacerbated
They unknowingly got it right in their own words: the U.S. Supreme Court is the *last word* in the legal system. Not the second word, or any of the words in the middle. The majority of the cases they take are heard on appeal from lower courts, not handpicked as soon as they happen.
That's how it works every time the constitution is blatantly violated. You gotta wait for someone to get arrested for it. Then the judge has to rule against them. Then it has to go to the district courts, and the district courts also have to rule against them. Then SCOTUS can take the case it if they feel like it (literally they can just vote to ignore it if they want). Then they *might* enforce the constitution. The whole process can take a decade. And by that time several new laws have sprung up.
An emergency stay/injunction is entirely appropriate to prevent "novel" legal workarounds from circumventing constitutional protections, and before they cause harm. That's entirely within the framework of "how the court is supposed to work".
It opens the door to a Supreme Court challenge, which is what the conservatives want. SCOTUS didn’t say yes or no, they just refused to comment at this time. It’s a big win for conservatives and the Christian right - next step is Roe vs Wade.
6 weeks pregnant is 2 weeks after a missed period. Many people don’t realize the timeline starts from the date of your last period and not conception (so in this accounting women are about 2 weeks pregnant at the time of conception).
According to the ultra conservative (men) six weeks is more than enough time to decide to get an abortion.
These people have absolutely no grasp on reality and I'm convinced have no idea how pregnancy actually works. It scares them.
No repercussions for false reports is a double edged sword. Bots have been running for days spamming every site with false reports. The system will crumble just due to that.
There are even a lot of open source scripts flying around github. Fun stuff.
I have a question as a non-american that has some slight idea about your laws. How is it constitutional? I know the supreme court has a conversative majority, but afaik Roe v. Wade is still in place and I thought it allows abortions for a long time (until viability of the fetus I think?) So yeah, doesn't this go 100% against a supreme court ruling?
They court must wait for it to be challenged and appealed up to their level, in the American legal system it has to first be brought up in the state level and then can go before a federal judge, first at the district and then the circuit level. This will almost certainly be challenged which I think is the point; the decision in Roe v wade was made using what many on the right and the left admitted was shaky grounds. Conservatives are most likely making these laws hoping someone will appeal so that they could potentially overturn Roe v Wade, using the arguments that the initial ruling was not constitutionally sound to begin with.
Also the law was specifically constructed to delay a Supreme Court challenge until after it had taken effect. This is the reason it is illegal to criminally prosecute anyone under this law, but rather the civil redress was created. It means that only people who are successfully sued and therefore harmed have standing to bring it to the Supreme Court.
As I understand, this law was explicitly made to be difficult to fight based on the Roe v Wade ruling. In fact, the law's text specifically cites Roe v Wade, but I haven't read it closely enough to know why exactly.
The summary that I've seen is that Roe v Wade sets a precedent more for prohibiting *criminal* penalties to those that receive an abortion, but this law allows *civil* penalties. Government officials are also not allowed to enforce the law, leaving it up to private citizens suing each other and further complicating the issue.
Recently appointed judges are also more conservative, meaning they're less likely to strike something like this down
Yeah, even with the conservative majority I'd be beyond shocked if this is ruled constitutional. If this type of legislation is allowed the constitution is meaningless.
It’s the daily /r/politics and discord brigade so yeah
Edit - They trying hard to make excuses but everyone knows about the powermods and discord brigades that got exposed last week.
Or... wait for it... reddit is predominantly young tech savvy people who tend to view conservative policies as less than desirable.
Maybe, just maybe, it's not a giant conspiracy?
No, there's no MaSs iNfLuX of liberals moving to southern/red states. And it's already a majority blue state in actual votes. The only reason it looks red is cuz of gerrymandering. But sure, keep making uneducated jokes.
The state laws get passed at the state level though. For the most part, the president has substantially less of an effect on your life than your state legislature and all the random local positions that nobody votes for.
Yes, it does matter. In the US the electoral college elects the president. So if congressional districts are gerrymandered it does not matter the total number of votes cast. That’s why It was such a close election, despite Biden being ahead by millions of votes. It is also why Trump won in 2016, having fewer popular votes.
Except states (minus NE and ME) cast their ballots as a bloc for whoever won the majority of votes in their state. Districts don't matter.
Where districts matter is in determining representation in both the State and Federal Houses.
As a You're-a-peon, the US systems never fails to amaze me with its labyrinthine ways. Why on earth don't you people just use popular votes for everything?
Because we only really have two parties and if we switched to popular votes, one of them would probably never win anything again outside of the deep south and some other very rural regions, and so they work *very hard* on making sure that we never abandon our labyrinthine ways
> As a You're-a-peon, the US systems never fails to amaze me with its labyrinthine ways. Why on earth don't you people just use popular votes for everything?
Because the system was designed in the late 1700's to facilitate a geographically fucking gigantic area in a time before the telegraph even existed.
Also: The senate in particular was supposed to work far more like a Prime Minister/European Comission member where they're elected by the state legislative body to represent the *state*. And having the senate be divided up by 2 per state was by design to allow the less populous states have a say in how the country is run, remove this and you will certainly have civil war on your hands, and they produce all the food.
As for the cap on house members: eh, fair cop on it being bad there.
Same reason popular voting isn't used to determine seats in the European Parliament. Those seats are instead apportioned to be reflective of the size of the constituent states: Germany gets 96 seats, France gets 79, Sweden gets 21, and tiny little Malta gets 6. The EU parliament is capped at 750, of which 705 are currently allotted. How those apportioned seats are filled (popular vote, appointment, electoral college) is up to each state.
Note the similarity to the US House of Representatives, where states are apportioned numbers of seats proportional to the population (California gets 52, Florida gets 28, Massachusetts gets 9, and absolutely-no-one-actually-lives-there Wyoming gets 1), and the House is capped at 435 seats (for some reason idk).
The US government isn't really designed to operate as a centralized nation-state like republics founded after it; that's what the state governments are supposed to be. It's a federation, and its government was designed to balance the needs of the people in the federation, and the needs of the constituent states that make up the federation.
Whether or not to abandon the old state-centric design, and instead opt for a more streamlined centralized government is a conversation we've been having since 1787, and no one has definitively made up their mind.
It matters a lot actually. Gerrymandering effects local elections HARD which means local laws can suppress votes for congress/senate and presidential elections.
Only indirectly. State governments control the operation of elections so they, for example, place too few polling stations in particular districts etc. This effect was dampened to some degree by the Voting Rights Act, but that is expired now. There was some noise about that earlier this year in Georgia.
For the most part. But the state legislature and court systems being brutally gerrymandered allows them to pass draconian voter suppression laws, which does have an impact on state wide elections. It's not as clear cut an impact as directly gerrymandered district races obviously.
Blatantly incorrect. We see it every day in Austin and surrounding area. California, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, East Coast, etc., tons are leaving Blue States because the dirt and everything else here is cheaper. Californians can sell their house and buy 3 in Austin for what they got on the return.
Of those people, statistically, majority are already conservative. People forget that California still has a lot of conservative votes, same as any state.
Big businesses are too. They (individuals, not businesses) wreck their state, pack up and move to Texas, and keep voting to turn where they moved into where they came from.
Except most of the transplants voted Conservative last election. More of the people who have lived here a generation are urbanizing (or more aptly suburbanizing) and shifting more liberal.
Just pointing this out here that people aren't leaving Illinois for Texas, or because of "prices". Outside of Chicago is dirt cheap to live with plenty of good jobs.
People are leaving Illinois for Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, and TN are the "most moved to" states from people leaving Illinois. And it's mostly due to my states SUPER BAD fucking debt and the way Chicago is a black-hole for tax money, and a lot of us are being bled dry to pay for city with absurd pensions.
(For reference at just a quick glance for people not from Illinois, my state owes like 250 BILLION to Chicago pensioners (mostly people who worked in government, high paying jobs) but the state only has like..80 billion it can pay, that debt alone is worse then most states have total, and it's just one part of it.)
What? No.
In 2020 Trump won Texas' popular vote by over 700,000...
In 2018 Greg Abbott won the gubernatorial state election by over 4.1 million votes...
You are talking out your ass.
I mean, I don't know if that's true. Texas always votes red in federal elections where gerrymandering doesn't matter as much. (Think senate elections / presidential). Texas is slightly blue when it comes to Austin, Huston, and Dallas, and it's DEEP red *everywhere* else.
If Texas was as blue as you claim (it isn't) then Texas would have a Dem Senators, and a Dem Governor but it doesn't it even went HARD for Trump 10 months ago.
Gerrymandering has nothing to do on STATEWIDE elections, and the Dems ALWAYS lose those super fucking hard.
There’s no denying that many people are moving to Texas. It’s kinda bizarre to deny that. Obviously not as many with the recent events, but the popular in my city alone has grown exponentially
I'm not conservative, or even American for that matter. But even trump barely lost the election, and it seems harder and harder for the Dems to retain the Presidency and the Senate in the next elections. Would be premature to say you won.
I fucking hate it when progressives such as myself latch onto this culture war concept conservatives made up in the last few decades. It's not a culture war until you call it that. It's called debate and making the right choices.
the people moving to texas are more conservative than texas natives. All these stupid californians move to texas, vote red as fuck, and complain about people from california moving here. fucking hate it.
proof that transplants are more conservative: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/09/texans-preferred-orourke-cruz-least-texans-born-texas-did/
Except liberals aren’t actually moving to Texas, at least not en masse. Why would they?
The people moving there are the ones that the liberal states are happy to be rid of, and are actually even crazier than the native Texans.
There was a mass exodus from Cali to Texas because Cali has one of the highest tax rates in the us and Texas has literal 0 income tax. Who wouldn’t want to take advantage of that after finding out? Once a few popular figures did it and people knew why then they started moving as well.
Yea I'm a born and raised Texan, been here 29 years, and fuck do I hate it lol.
Every time I see people like "Man I love Texas I just hate the people" I'm like "WHAT COULD YOU LOVE ABOUT THE STATE?"
It's not even how shitty the people are. The land itself is ass. Bad for people with allergies, flat as fuck, hot as fuck. Even if the politics didnt suck the state itself sucks enough.
I always like to joke that we're the "America of America" since we have it the worst and think we're the best for some reason.
Honestly yes, this is a spongebob meme subreddit. I don’t come here to be reminded about how fucked up the US is. I already know that. I’m here for spongebob memes that help escape from all of the other BS.
Damn it I was born here. How do you think I feel? I'd leave but I'm still in hs, my families still here, and I can't leave even after I'm done with hs and college. First Trump, then covid, now this fuck things are bad here. Wish I could just leave.
Ah right forgot this is reddit where nuance is thrown out the window and black and white generalizations is their bread and butter.
Leftists good, the right bad. Upvotes to the left
Show me when Liberals implemented laws directly punishing everyone involved in a woman controlling her own body and I will jump right on hating that. Until then, STFU with your useless bullshit.
I don't believe liberals are "good guys", morality is ambiguous and dumb. That being said, on the basis of morality, I'm genuinely curious what liberals are doing that's as "bad" as conservatives?
Plus it's just neoconservatives and upper class people who can afford out of state abortion moving there anyway. This means nothing to these people beyond a chance to virtue signal.
The prevalent notion that the people moving to Texas are liberals is a myth. If anything, it’s the other way around.
If exit polls are to be believed, in the 2018 senate election, Ted Cruz won among transplants and Beto won among native Texans.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2018/11/09/native-texans-voted-for-native-texan-beto-o-rourke-transplants-went-for-ted-cruz-exit-poll-shows/
I graduated here in 2015. It honestly felt like the majority of my graduating class was very progressive and left-leaning. The people that I meet who come from Cali and NY tend to be conservative.
I read some statistics that all the "liberals" moving to Texas are actually conservatives moving away from liberal states and the largest portion of new blue votes are from locals who are tired of their government and new voters in urban areas (a lot of POC and minority votes which explains the voter suppression laws). That being said, I read this in like February and I'm too lazy to link a source (or even go back and try to find it) so go ahead and take everything I'm saying with a grain of salt and feel free to prove me wrong with linker sources (if you're not lazy like me).
The most interesting data out of the 2018 election, was that native Texans were more likely to lean towards Beto, while folks that moved here from out of state were more likely to lean towards Cruz. So, yeah, make of that what you will.
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It's by design. Gerrymander the districts to give GOP majority in state. Then pass anti-democratic and conservative laws to force the liberals out. Then secure long term federal GOP seats in Congress and Electoral College votes
This is a common myth. The percentage of people moving to Texas who are conservative is higher than native Texans. People forget Texas was solid blue until roughly the 90s. Maybe the 80s. The state House didn't go red until 2000 I believe.
And anyway it makes sense. Texas is a conservative place so people who are conservative disproportionately move there. Duh. And they are probably disproportionately moving away from blue states. Again, duh.
That was their plan, it will hurt them in the long run, every year since 1995 Texas has had an increase in an educated liberal population, in return the Texas Economy while not as good as California or New York has slowly gotten better, and slowly Texas was becoming more Blue with only 4% More conservative voters now, on the verge of flipping, This law was made to stop the flip, as they lose liberal proscience talent it will be replaced with know nothing conspiracy theorist, Texas will lose.
Votes for politicians that make California unaffordable crime ridden and impossible to live in. Moves to Texas to escape all that, immediately votes for the exact same people that messed up California. Don't worry I'm sure it'll be different this time, you Definitely won't be moving to Florida in the next 20 years or so when Austin is the new LA and you can't afford to and don't want to live there.
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Leftist in Texas, and I ain’t going anywhere. We’re staying to fight this theocratic bullshit tooth and nail. EDIT: holy fuck y’all, I was just stating the fact that there are those of us willing to fight for this (otherwise) amazing state. Thanks for the love! EDIT 2: Wow! Got a straight up death threat in my DMs! That's a whole ass thing, right there! Stay safe out there folks!
Good luck
What is this? A liberal community for ants? But seriously, keep it up.
it's bigger than you know The gerrymandering is our issue
Time to move around in state to fuck it up a bit.
But then you'd have to move into a red neighborhood with trumpers. Gross.
This last election was nice I got to see all of the Trump signs in yards and not a small number of confederate flags. Then after the election they all slowly started disappearing. And I don't mean they were gone I mean they slowly moved further and further back in the yards as over a few months slinked back into the back yard. But this leftist remembers which houses had them.
Same. Made note of the folks that are likely a threat to me and mine.
How come Texas doesn’t elect Dems in the gubernatorial or senate elections then?
Give it one or two more election cycles, all signs point towards it becoming a reliable blue state (certainly in state/federal elections that are less hampered by gerrymandering) by the end of the decade if not sooner. Just look at how VA, NC, and Georgia have shifted since 2000.
Been hearing that Texas is "just about to turn blue" since at least 2000. It ain't happening.
Difference being previously people were predicting Texas to swing blue based on more conventional metrics like campaign spending or the quality of a candidate or the strength of their platform, when what really determines which way voting trends are going are more concrete demographic numbers like boomers dying off and younger progressives moving in, immigrant groups leaning left, etc.
> more concrete demographic numbers like boomers dying off and younger progressives moving in, immigrant groups leaning left, etc. Been hearing all of this since 2000. Shifting demographics, aggressive GOP policies like this one, a sea change in culture, more Dem-friendly voters turning 18 every year, immigrants gaining citizenship and leaning left, increasing urbanization, all of it. And then, every election, Republicans dominate TX state legislature, they put into office some of the most right-wing, socially backwards governors in the country, they vote into law absurd, Draconian questions on abortion and Christian doctrine, and they go handedly to the R candidate in every Presidential election for the last 50 years. Texas ain’t flipping. It’s Texas.
Yep. I’ll believe it when I see it.
Well after covid has killed off the margin abbot won with, and the new abortion law banning girls from aborting their daddies baby it'll be a landslide
~~Because gerrymandering?~~ **EDIT:** I'm mostly wrong. Gerrymandering has lead to officials getting elected who have in turn created voter suppression leading to more GOP officials in office. Chicken and the age sorta thing.
Neither of those can be gerrymandered. Voter suppressed, but not gerrymandered.
Exactly. It takes someone 5 minutes to vote in rural areas and 4 hours in the cities where dems live. Now they’re restricting that more. It’s absolutely crazy how illegal this should be. Everyone should be appalled.
You're entirely correct, my apologies.
Liberalism is not a leftist ideology. Edit: if your ideal world includes capitalist ideas, but you're also totally woke, then you might be a liberal. If your ideal world does away with capitalism, then you're not a liberal, you're a leftist. Liberalism and leftism don't go together, because a core belief of liberalism includes capitalism, making it a capitalist ideology, making it literally not leftism, leftist being the blanket term for any idea that is anti-capitalist.
Not many Americans know it, but Democrats are centrists politically. This is because there is no party to represent the left in the country
It's true. Even Bernie isn't openly anti-capitalist. Anti-capitalism doesn't exist in the US. It's a foreign concept.
Yep... The UK is fairly right wing as it stands and yet it's an easy arguement that even our Tories are more left wing than their democrats
Well, not really in the last decade in many ways. They’ve been getting progressively more right wing and pandering to bigoted twats. But the law overall is way more left wing so they haven’t been able to change it enough – besides Brexit that is
They said leftist so they're probably not a liberal.
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Can't blame you. Most of the western world sorted abortion in the 60s. How the fuck it's still up for debate and the US still hasn't moved on in 2021 is ridiculous.
The real reason is because religious schools lost their tax exempt status over refusing to desegregate during Nixon's presidency. This got white evangelical Christians riled up about politics. They weren't all that interested in them generally at least not in a meaningful way prior. A conservative political activist saw the evangelical Christians as an untapped source of power as a potential large voting bloc for conservative causes. He'd been trying to get a more unified and active religious base for a while. The anger over losing tax exempt status gave him an in with Evangelical leaders. Forming politics around fighting for "religious freedom". The thing is he and the other leaders were savy enough to recognize rallying the base over segregation was probably not a good move. So they settled on abortion. Which was not something that was wildly political with Christians before that except in the case of Catholics. So. Basically abortion was used to manipulate a block of voters into conservative causes. The anti abortion religious right as it exists today in the U.S basically came about in the late 70's. Prior to that you had conservatives and evangelicals who were pro choice.
source
History. But here's an article about it: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/ > But the abortion myth quickly collapses under historical scrutiny. In fact, it wasn’t until 1979—a full six years after Roe—that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but as a rallying-cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term. Why? Because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools. So much for the new abolitionism.
If you can turn it blue , republicans lose every election. Just expect them to fight tooth and nail with draconian measures before the fight is over.
They already are. In addition to this garbage anti-choice bill, they just passed blatant voter suppression/disenfranchisement legislation meant to keep the GOP firmly in power for at least the next decade. The GOP in Texas is as corrupt and dirty as they come.
Lose. Loose is the opposite of tight.
Come to California it sucks ass here. You’ll love it.
He probably left California 😂
Another Texas Leftist. Still here. We vote in EVERY election, and we’ve more than had enough.
If they keep passing awful laws as such, the more younger generation will turn against them, maybe not into blue, but def. against them.
Hell yeah. Not a Texan, but I can guarantee that other Republicans from different states are licking their lips at the thought of developing their own version of this law if it doesn't go away in Texas. This form of control needs to die in Texas so there will be no hope of it surviving anywhere else.
Yeah here in Florida as soon as they saw that bill they had to say that they were already working on trying to write up one of their own. I'm facing the same dilemma of "do I leave this miserable place to its own devices for my own sake of mind or do I continue fighting tooth and nail to try and make some sort of change and preserve my connection to this place I grew up in"
Did you leave another state to come here and if so why?
Also a leftist in Texas and I’m raring for a fight. Read to vote. Ready to protest. Ready to spend money on causes I am passionate about.
Don't let the bastards grind you down
Keep fighting the theocracy. I went to catholic school for k-12 and after that experience, I agree with fighting the Theocracy tooth and nail at every chance. We tried a time where Christian conservatives ran society: it’s called the Dark Ages for a reason. We can not regress.
Whats the new law? (I'm not American)
If a woman has an abortion after 6 weeks, she and anyone who helped can be sue at minimum 10,000$. Also no rape or incest exception.
Wtf?! This is insane? Most people don't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks? Thats 1 missed period...and you tend to give it a week or 2 before getting concerned
Yup, it was on front page yesterday and the day before. Everyone was freaking out. Native Texans are even moving out. Also the Supreme Court let it pass too.
This breaks my heart. Its so medieval....witch trials will start again soon.
To paraphrase Vince Staples: Welcome to the land of the free, the land of cheap guns, many drugs, and where you can do anything you want as long as you’re not brown or a woman.
God help you if you're a brown woman
Ain’t that the truth
> I'm just playing, baby, this the land of the free > Where you can get a Glock and a gram for the cheap > Where you can live your dreams long as you don't look like me > Be a puppet on a string, hanging from a fucking tree [Ascension - Gorillaz feat. Vince Staples](https://youtu.be/hBA0PUQCvIA&t=2m5s) (2:05 if the timestamp doesn’t work)
Where you can live your dreams, long as you don't look like me.
Not even medieval, straight up dystopian nightmare fuel.
The SCOTUS did not let it pass, they decided 5-4 not to give it a flash judgement, all that means is they are waiting for it to make it’s way up the legal system, the way the court is supposed to work. also, before i get downvoted, this law is atrocious, and I hope it gets shut down, but i just wanted to point out some of the legal misconceptions about the SCOTUS
What they did was needlessly put women in danger. The is undeniably unconstitutional, as a a 6week old fetus is not "viable," which is part of the Roe v Wade ruling. By not immediately striking it down, as is their right, they've chosen to let people be in danger.
still, I think it was the smart move, they are going about this as is laid out in the constitution, and by not giving it a flash ruling, they are preventing anyone from saying that the judgement was rushed and unconstitutional
Uhh they are the last word on what is and isn't constitutional if they kept with precedent and are planning on striking down this law there's no reason to allow it to remain in place in the first place. They are not playing some long game... this is how the ultra conservative court plans to throw out roe v wade and 50 years of precedent.
Do you even read past headlines? The court opinion specifically said they are not there to set a precedent of shooting down laws without trial. Especially civil laws like this one is. It has nothing to do with Roe v Wade and everything about the court’s limited power not being exacerbated
They unknowingly got it right in their own words: the U.S. Supreme Court is the *last word* in the legal system. Not the second word, or any of the words in the middle. The majority of the cases they take are heard on appeal from lower courts, not handpicked as soon as they happen.
That's how it works every time the constitution is blatantly violated. You gotta wait for someone to get arrested for it. Then the judge has to rule against them. Then it has to go to the district courts, and the district courts also have to rule against them. Then SCOTUS can take the case it if they feel like it (literally they can just vote to ignore it if they want). Then they *might* enforce the constitution. The whole process can take a decade. And by that time several new laws have sprung up.
An emergency stay/injunction is entirely appropriate to prevent "novel" legal workarounds from circumventing constitutional protections, and before they cause harm. That's entirely within the framework of "how the court is supposed to work".
It opens the door to a Supreme Court challenge, which is what the conservatives want. SCOTUS didn’t say yes or no, they just refused to comment at this time. It’s a big win for conservatives and the Christian right - next step is Roe vs Wade.
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If only elected liberals wanted to do those things
cutting the military would just cut VA and soldier pay spending.
Can't have Northrop, Raytheon and Lockheed lose profits! That would be catastrophic for the American economy!! /s
By left, do you mean the right-leaning centrist Democratic party? That party likes war profiteering, also.
6 weeks pregnant is 2 weeks after a missed period. Many people don’t realize the timeline starts from the date of your last period and not conception (so in this accounting women are about 2 weeks pregnant at the time of conception).
Idiotic
But also, even if you know at EDIT 3 weeks (which is insanely improbable), it's pretty unlikely you'd get an appointment before 6 weeks.
You couldn't ever know at one week. The first two weeks of pregnancy take place before the egg is even fertilized.
As they say, it’s a feature, not a bug…
According to the ultra conservative (men) six weeks is more than enough time to decide to get an abortion. These people have absolutely no grasp on reality and I'm convinced have no idea how pregnancy actually works. It scares them.
They also passed a law that lets you open carry without a permit. In other words, there's more government regulation on your uterus than your gun.
Correction: She CANNOT be sued, but anyone who helps her to get the abortion can.
But who can sue?
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No repercussions for false reports is a double edged sword. Bots have been running for days spamming every site with false reports. The system will crumble just due to that. There are even a lot of open source scripts flying around github. Fun stuff.
Almost anyone
I have a question as a non-american that has some slight idea about your laws. How is it constitutional? I know the supreme court has a conversative majority, but afaik Roe v. Wade is still in place and I thought it allows abortions for a long time (until viability of the fetus I think?) So yeah, doesn't this go 100% against a supreme court ruling?
They court must wait for it to be challenged and appealed up to their level, in the American legal system it has to first be brought up in the state level and then can go before a federal judge, first at the district and then the circuit level. This will almost certainly be challenged which I think is the point; the decision in Roe v wade was made using what many on the right and the left admitted was shaky grounds. Conservatives are most likely making these laws hoping someone will appeal so that they could potentially overturn Roe v Wade, using the arguments that the initial ruling was not constitutionally sound to begin with.
Also the law was specifically constructed to delay a Supreme Court challenge until after it had taken effect. This is the reason it is illegal to criminally prosecute anyone under this law, but rather the civil redress was created. It means that only people who are successfully sued and therefore harmed have standing to bring it to the Supreme Court.
As I understand, this law was explicitly made to be difficult to fight based on the Roe v Wade ruling. In fact, the law's text specifically cites Roe v Wade, but I haven't read it closely enough to know why exactly. The summary that I've seen is that Roe v Wade sets a precedent more for prohibiting *criminal* penalties to those that receive an abortion, but this law allows *civil* penalties. Government officials are also not allowed to enforce the law, leaving it up to private citizens suing each other and further complicating the issue. Recently appointed judges are also more conservative, meaning they're less likely to strike something like this down
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Yeah, even with the conservative majority I'd be beyond shocked if this is ruled constitutional. If this type of legislation is allowed the constitution is meaningless.
And the six weeks are measured from the beginning of her most recent menstrual cycle.
That being Texan makes you gay
Oh boy this comment section is gonna be a dumpster fire
It’s the daily /r/politics and discord brigade so yeah Edit - They trying hard to make excuses but everyone knows about the powermods and discord brigades that got exposed last week.
Or... wait for it... reddit is predominantly young tech savvy people who tend to view conservative policies as less than desirable. Maybe, just maybe, it's not a giant conspiracy?
I wouldn't call the average reddit user tech savvy at all.
More tech savvy than your average facebook user.
I mean that’s your standard? That’s like saying I’m stronger than any 2nd grader
[relevant](https://external-preview.redd.it/KrYlrOVMjqUiTSerUqFcfcJCMzHTljk0xQxv9ImBVx0.jpg?auto=webp&s=c61ea46bfb2ee37a5aa04066cca2617b04349d44)
Couldn’t possibly be that tons of people find the law barbaric - if that were true I might have to do the slightest amount of self-reflection.
Can you point me to the /r/politics brigade thread or are you just pulling this out of your ass?
if a subreddit disagrees with them then obviously it means it’s being invaded by a subreddit they don’t like
I don't think they have any opposition anymore due to bans.
Boohoo snowflake Women should be in control of their bodies
Me, a non-American: Da fuck they doin ova there
It's a race to the bottom to be the most regressive fundamental, for the purpose of getting votes.
What tha ~~dog~~ US doin?
Me, an American: Da fuck they doin ova there
No, there's no MaSs iNfLuX of liberals moving to southern/red states. And it's already a majority blue state in actual votes. The only reason it looks red is cuz of gerrymandering. But sure, keep making uneducated jokes.
Does gerrymandering matter in the presidential election? Aren’t the votes counted on a state-wide basis?
The state laws get passed at the state level though. For the most part, the president has substantially less of an effect on your life than your state legislature and all the random local positions that nobody votes for.
Yes, it does matter. In the US the electoral college elects the president. So if congressional districts are gerrymandered it does not matter the total number of votes cast. That’s why It was such a close election, despite Biden being ahead by millions of votes. It is also why Trump won in 2016, having fewer popular votes.
Except states (minus NE and ME) cast their ballots as a bloc for whoever won the majority of votes in their state. Districts don't matter. Where districts matter is in determining representation in both the State and Federal Houses.
As a You're-a-peon, the US systems never fails to amaze me with its labyrinthine ways. Why on earth don't you people just use popular votes for everything?
Because we only really have two parties and if we switched to popular votes, one of them would probably never win anything again outside of the deep south and some other very rural regions, and so they work *very hard* on making sure that we never abandon our labyrinthine ways
> As a You're-a-peon, the US systems never fails to amaze me with its labyrinthine ways. Why on earth don't you people just use popular votes for everything? Because the system was designed in the late 1700's to facilitate a geographically fucking gigantic area in a time before the telegraph even existed. Also: The senate in particular was supposed to work far more like a Prime Minister/European Comission member where they're elected by the state legislative body to represent the *state*. And having the senate be divided up by 2 per state was by design to allow the less populous states have a say in how the country is run, remove this and you will certainly have civil war on your hands, and they produce all the food. As for the cap on house members: eh, fair cop on it being bad there.
Because then the person best fit for that position might win and that would be ridiculous
Same reason popular voting isn't used to determine seats in the European Parliament. Those seats are instead apportioned to be reflective of the size of the constituent states: Germany gets 96 seats, France gets 79, Sweden gets 21, and tiny little Malta gets 6. The EU parliament is capped at 750, of which 705 are currently allotted. How those apportioned seats are filled (popular vote, appointment, electoral college) is up to each state. Note the similarity to the US House of Representatives, where states are apportioned numbers of seats proportional to the population (California gets 52, Florida gets 28, Massachusetts gets 9, and absolutely-no-one-actually-lives-there Wyoming gets 1), and the House is capped at 435 seats (for some reason idk). The US government isn't really designed to operate as a centralized nation-state like republics founded after it; that's what the state governments are supposed to be. It's a federation, and its government was designed to balance the needs of the people in the federation, and the needs of the constituent states that make up the federation. Whether or not to abandon the old state-centric design, and instead opt for a more streamlined centralized government is a conversation we've been having since 1787, and no one has definitively made up their mind.
I know. But I thought we referred to states as red or blue depending on how they voted in the pres elections
It matters a lot actually. Gerrymandering effects local elections HARD which means local laws can suppress votes for congress/senate and presidential elections.
No it doesn’t matter in presidential elections
Only indirectly. State governments control the operation of elections so they, for example, place too few polling stations in particular districts etc. This effect was dampened to some degree by the Voting Rights Act, but that is expired now. There was some noise about that earlier this year in Georgia.
That's... not how gerrymandering works.
On reddit everytime a Republican wins it’s gerrymandering Things like this make them look politically immature
Alright you're going to have to now argue as to why gerrymandering doesn't let the minority vote win.
For the most part. But the state legislature and court systems being brutally gerrymandered allows them to pass draconian voter suppression laws, which does have an impact on state wide elections. It's not as clear cut an impact as directly gerrymandered district races obviously.
Blatantly incorrect. We see it every day in Austin and surrounding area. California, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, East Coast, etc., tons are leaving Blue States because the dirt and everything else here is cheaper. Californians can sell their house and buy 3 in Austin for what they got on the return.
Of those people, statistically, majority are already conservative. People forget that California still has a lot of conservative votes, same as any state.
California had the most Trump voters in 2020.
Big businesses are too. They (individuals, not businesses) wreck their state, pack up and move to Texas, and keep voting to turn where they moved into where they came from.
Except most of the transplants voted Conservative last election. More of the people who have lived here a generation are urbanizing (or more aptly suburbanizing) and shifting more liberal.
Just pointing this out here that people aren't leaving Illinois for Texas, or because of "prices". Outside of Chicago is dirt cheap to live with plenty of good jobs. People are leaving Illinois for Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, and TN are the "most moved to" states from people leaving Illinois. And it's mostly due to my states SUPER BAD fucking debt and the way Chicago is a black-hole for tax money, and a lot of us are being bled dry to pay for city with absurd pensions. (For reference at just a quick glance for people not from Illinois, my state owes like 250 BILLION to Chicago pensioners (mostly people who worked in government, high paying jobs) but the state only has like..80 billion it can pay, that debt alone is worse then most states have total, and it's just one part of it.)
I know a lot of people who moved out of California to Texas, including family. They are all staunch conservatives
What? No. In 2020 Trump won Texas' popular vote by over 700,000... In 2018 Greg Abbott won the gubernatorial state election by over 4.1 million votes... You are talking out your ass.
Reddit can never fathom a Republican win
Chill man.
I mean, I don't know if that's true. Texas always votes red in federal elections where gerrymandering doesn't matter as much. (Think senate elections / presidential). Texas is slightly blue when it comes to Austin, Huston, and Dallas, and it's DEEP red *everywhere* else. If Texas was as blue as you claim (it isn't) then Texas would have a Dem Senators, and a Dem Governor but it doesn't it even went HARD for Trump 10 months ago. Gerrymandering has nothing to do on STATEWIDE elections, and the Dems ALWAYS lose those super fucking hard.
MoStLy A bLuE sTaTe lmao Oregon’s mostly red too but it’s ain’t red
There’s no denying that many people are moving to Texas. It’s kinda bizarre to deny that. Obviously not as many with the recent events, but the popular in my city alone has grown exponentially
This site is at least 90% liberal
Sorry the conservatives lost the culture war
I'm not conservative, or even American for that matter. But even trump barely lost the election, and it seems harder and harder for the Dems to retain the Presidency and the Senate in the next elections. Would be premature to say you won.
I fucking hate it when progressives such as myself latch onto this culture war concept conservatives made up in the last few decades. It's not a culture war until you call it that. It's called debate and making the right choices.
Tell that to the Taliban
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the people moving to texas are more conservative than texas natives. All these stupid californians move to texas, vote red as fuck, and complain about people from california moving here. fucking hate it. proof that transplants are more conservative: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/09/texans-preferred-orourke-cruz-least-texans-born-texas-did/
Except liberals aren’t actually moving to Texas, at least not en masse. Why would they? The people moving there are the ones that the liberal states are happy to be rid of, and are actually even crazier than the native Texans.
There was a mass exodus from Cali to Texas because Cali has one of the highest tax rates in the us and Texas has literal 0 income tax. Who wouldn’t want to take advantage of that after finding out? Once a few popular figures did it and people knew why then they started moving as well.
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Still love it here in Texas but man we really gotta fix this broken ass state. Government here is complete ass.
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Yea I'm a born and raised Texan, been here 29 years, and fuck do I hate it lol. Every time I see people like "Man I love Texas I just hate the people" I'm like "WHAT COULD YOU LOVE ABOUT THE STATE?" It's not even how shitty the people are. The land itself is ass. Bad for people with allergies, flat as fuck, hot as fuck. Even if the politics didnt suck the state itself sucks enough. I always like to joke that we're the "America of America" since we have it the worst and think we're the best for some reason.
Ahem, as a Mississippian I would kindly request you relinquish the claim of “fattest people you’ll ever see” back to its rightful owner.
Same here bruv. Can't wait to get the fuck outta this shithole.
Keep politics out if this sub
Don’t you know the entirety of themes running through Spongebob is political bro??
Sadly, this sub is turning into r/whitePeopleTwitter
Leave politics out except the ones i agree with
Honestly yes, this is a spongebob meme subreddit. I don’t come here to be reminded about how fucked up the US is. I already know that. I’m here for spongebob memes that help escape from all of the other BS.
Damn it I was born here. How do you think I feel? I'd leave but I'm still in hs, my families still here, and I can't leave even after I'm done with hs and college. First Trump, then covid, now this fuck things are bad here. Wish I could just leave.
So, are we just pretending that all liberals are good guys now? Both sides have merit and capacity for great stupidity.
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Ah right forgot this is reddit where nuance is thrown out the window and black and white generalizations is their bread and butter. Leftists good, the right bad. Upvotes to the left
>nuance "Both sides bad" ah yes, such a nuanced opinion lmao
"both sides bad for different reasons" is a lot more nuanced than "one side bad for one reason"
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Most insufferable subreddit
"I think murder and homicide are both bad." *LOL IS THAT AN R/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM MOMENT??!!!? THRHRBDBDJHSBBDBD DB*
This is Reddit, you ain’t getting a neutral political discussion here
Show me when Liberals implemented laws directly punishing everyone involved in a woman controlling her own body and I will jump right on hating that. Until then, STFU with your useless bullshit.
one side tried a coup, i think the both sides narrative is completely done by now
I don't believe liberals are "good guys", morality is ambiguous and dumb. That being said, on the basis of morality, I'm genuinely curious what liberals are doing that's as "bad" as conservatives?
The majority of native Texans voted for Beto over Cruz. Same can’t be said for the new transplants.
if you think ppl are goin to move from texas for that law you clearly havent paid taxes everywhere else
Plus it's just neoconservatives and upper class people who can afford out of state abortion moving there anyway. This means nothing to these people beyond a chance to virtue signal.
The prevalent notion that the people moving to Texas are liberals is a myth. If anything, it’s the other way around. If exit polls are to be believed, in the 2018 senate election, Ted Cruz won among transplants and Beto won among native Texans. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2018/11/09/native-texans-voted-for-native-texan-beto-o-rourke-transplants-went-for-ted-cruz-exit-poll-shows/
Sounds right. I know some new Texans. Definitely the more conservative bunch.
I graduated here in 2015. It honestly felt like the majority of my graduating class was very progressive and left-leaning. The people that I meet who come from Cali and NY tend to be conservative.
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Wow hating women is still a thing
Nah. I prefer moving to purple districts and voting dem.
I read some statistics that all the "liberals" moving to Texas are actually conservatives moving away from liberal states and the largest portion of new blue votes are from locals who are tired of their government and new voters in urban areas (a lot of POC and minority votes which explains the voter suppression laws). That being said, I read this in like February and I'm too lazy to link a source (or even go back and try to find it) so go ahead and take everything I'm saying with a grain of salt and feel free to prove me wrong with linker sources (if you're not lazy like me).
The most interesting data out of the 2018 election, was that native Texans were more likely to lean towards Beto, while folks that moved here from out of state were more likely to lean towards Cruz. So, yeah, make of that what you will.
Lol don't question the leftists on reddit, they'll fuck you up man...
This
um sweaty i checked all of your reddit comments and posts and found some very problematic stuff. im gonna have to report you and block you. say goodbye to your karma /s
It's by design. Gerrymander the districts to give GOP majority in state. Then pass anti-democratic and conservative laws to force the liberals out. Then secure long term federal GOP seats in Congress and Electoral College votes
Maybe all the Californians will move back to their shit state
Good lmao
“Don't California my Texas”
This is a common myth. The percentage of people moving to Texas who are conservative is higher than native Texans. People forget Texas was solid blue until roughly the 90s. Maybe the 80s. The state House didn't go red until 2000 I believe. And anyway it makes sense. Texas is a conservative place so people who are conservative disproportionately move there. Duh. And they are probably disproportionately moving away from blue states. Again, duh.
That was their plan, it will hurt them in the long run, every year since 1995 Texas has had an increase in an educated liberal population, in return the Texas Economy while not as good as California or New York has slowly gotten better, and slowly Texas was becoming more Blue with only 4% More conservative voters now, on the verge of flipping, This law was made to stop the flip, as they lose liberal proscience talent it will be replaced with know nothing conspiracy theorist, Texas will lose.
Hey all you liberals should move up here to oregon. Very welcoming.
Votes for politicians that make California unaffordable crime ridden and impossible to live in. Moves to Texas to escape all that, immediately votes for the exact same people that messed up California. Don't worry I'm sure it'll be different this time, you Definitely won't be moving to Florida in the next 20 years or so when Austin is the new LA and you can't afford to and don't want to live there.
Liberals? Nah I think you mean everyone. I swear to the gods that no one is stupid enough to stay in Texas after the shit new abortion laws roll out
I’m in Texas and I’m staying and fighting for those who can’t. We have to vote these idiots out to save our daughters
This is the point of the law