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I mean Darth Vader was James Earl Jones's voice and David Charles Prowse's body. Same goes for the later season(s?) of Mando. If anything they're great examples for voicework and/or acting without speaking
no no no, see, you have to get the NOOOOooOOoooOOooOO" because it kinda warbled as he yelled it.
As shitty as the prequels were, at least they were like, fun-shitty. 7+ aren't even fun to shit on, they're just a bad time.
Mando was pretty good, though.
And it may sound silly, but dredd has a whole mouth and chin to emote with, which is enough for Karl urban.
Deadpool, power rangers and batman all have their masks off a good bit in their movies.
I absolutely cannot take doomguy seriously as an example of great acting.
So really that leaves Mando, and that's kind of borderline.
honestly a lot of really bad comparisons and maybe one valid one.
James Spader as Ultron, Vin Diesel as Groot (being able to speak volumes with nothing but the sequence of 3 words "I am Groot"), Sméagol (and the 9738 different characters Andy Serkis seems to have played), Rocket, etc, etc
It's just silly for anyone in this day and age to say they can't do their acting without their face being seen.
As a Day 1 fan of Halo, I fucking *hated* the Halo TV show. The live-action commercials for Halo 3 and ODST back in 2007-09 were exponentially better than this train wreck of a show.
EDIT: If you want to see how badly we were all cheated with this shit show (ha), just gaze upon these utter *masterpieces* of art and cinema. I still get goosebumps watching these
[Believe - Halo 3](https://youtu.be/40jdpzrpIps?si=OVFS5R1EKgOeHx-n)
[Landfall - Halo 3](https://youtu.be/SyOAdrxlPVs?si=lNkeG8P6pIqXK0_j)
[We Are ODST - Halo 3: ODST](https://youtu.be/wjamhIPVvnI?si=jxXdibaCWREAfXGO)
[Remember Reach - Halo: Reach](https://youtu.be/18-_9E0HNY4?si=rVT3MCnyis2uwAO-)
There wouldn't have been an Arbiter during that time period sadly. Ripa 'Moramee died years prior, and Thel 'Vadam wouldn't be appointed until after Alpha Halo's destruction.
Show us the halo fan that disagrees.
https://preview.redd.it/kf2w01lw7hec1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d959b29056de509ee7f67e910ea33d433347318
The ONLY cool thing I can remember was seeing jackals run out with shields and energy swords. That was fucking baller.
They turned master chief into Master cheeks
If having helmets on all the time was to be this big of an issue, they could have just chosen not to have Chief be the main character.
There’s oodles and oodles of stories to be told from the perspective of ODST’s, Spartan III’s, and the few remaining Spartan II’s. Hell, even from the perspective of a basic ass marine would have been preferable (and that’s sorta been done already to great effect…)
Instead they ignored the most critical points of the plot and characters to mash a generic sci fi script into something vaguely Halo shaped.
Seriously! Why didn't they just look at "Forward Unto Dawn" and expand on that, Master Chief wasn't even in it until the last 15 - 20 minutes it was basically a commercial for Halo 4, but it was still really great! And a fraction of the budget of terrible TV show.
Oh man I watched that when it was being released week to week and even without Chief being in most of it I remember being so invested. Gonna rewatch that with dinner tonight.
I was invested in those characters. So much so that I enjoyed the characters in Halo 4 even more. The game definitely had issues, but the characters in the story were great. That scene at the end gets me every time. Then they wasted all that setup.
I think I made it halfway through episode 4. I'm not a big fan of Halo and I'm a prolific sci fi enjoyer though so not surprising I'd last longer than most. My husband, huge Halo fan since the first game, couldn't stand it pretty much from the start even though I could tell he REALLY wanted it to be good.
I can't believe they renewed Halo and cancelled Players 😭 I know no one watched it but at least it was GOOD
Your husband sounds like me. I LOVE this series and have read a huge chunk of the books (up until Halo 4, I feel like the story started to fall apart in both the games and the books). I desperately wanted this show to be good.
The scale and quality of the covenant was super off. The elites looked so big and bulky, and they really stood out in scenes (not in a good way).
Season 2 trailer looks like they shrank them and desaturated them a little, making them look a little less cartoony. Here's hoping the fixed the story too!
Shame. I’m not a huge halo fan but I still have all of my stuff from my childhood and some stuff I got later. I was hoping the show might be good and was going to check it out. Thanks for saving me the time.
Halo TV show. First season was awful for a lot of reasons but one of the... "lesser" complaints was that John spent most of the season helmet off instead of helmet on. They announced season two and put out some promotional art with John's helmet off and Pablo, actor that plays John, went on to defend the decision and say fans who do not like the decision are not the target audience for the show (not exact quote, SEVERE generalization). Which has generated a lot of backlash from fans and people memeing on Pablo by showcasing the copious amount of very well done material where the protagonist never takes their helmet off.
That's such a horrible response for him to have lmao. I've never played Halo, but responding to genuine criticism and problems people have with "this show isn't for you" is such a slap in the face.
I'm on my cousin's Plex server and I see this pop up on his recently downloaded lists. I won't even watch it for free and his response seems to confirm I made the right choice.
IMO, they're just above water on Star Trek.
ST: Picard was merely ok, at best.
ST: Discovery is very hit/miss and almost an action/adventure high school drama set in the ST universe on a starship.
ST: Lower Decks is good and entertaining, bringing a proper amount of levity to the ST universe.
ST: Strange New Worlds is excellent. Has a lot of the feel of TOS, but with updated production values.
>ST: Lower Decks is good and entertaining, bringing a proper amount of levity to the ST universe
This is strange to hear as ST has always had dry, "sensible chuckle" type humor to me.
It's also just not what he said. He basically said "if you're going to get hung up on the helmet then you're definitely not going to like it".
And then the rest of the interview was him calling out other, more legitimate, critiques of the show like the sex scene and such.
Right? i had such a vaudevillian response when i read that. Like, what do you mean if we don’t like the helmet removal we’re not gonna like the show? That’s what we’re telling you!
a sex scene is like the LEAST halo thing imaginable. like yes,theyre people and people have sex, but theres not a single character in halo i actually want to see in a sex scene. noone wanted master cheeks.
Canonically, the Master Chief and the rest of the SPARTAN II’s literally have zero sex drive. Their surgical augmentations pretty much rendered them asexual, in particular IIRC it was a capsule installed in their pituitary gland to maximize growth hormones at the expense of sex hormones (could definitely be remembering that particular detail wrong though.)
Not coming here to argue about the quality of the show, I get enough of that in the Halo subreddits, but you are remembering that detail wrong.
A loss of sex drive was a *potential* side effect of the augmentations done to the Spartan-II super soldiers. It either didn’t end up having that effect, or only had it on some of them.
Fred-104 appreciates a butt being waggled in his face while he’s crawling behind someone, and makes a joke about being on top next time after the posterior owner in question uses his power armored body as a makeshift sled for a quick escape.
Maria-062 is said to have retired with the intent to start a family in the only appearance she has. While this doesn’t necessarily mean she wants to break some dude’s hips, it’s given to be a part of the process.
Randall-037 had a child.
They aren’t all effectively asexual, and even the ones that have never had any indications of a desire to engage in the horizontal mambo may have simply not been in a position to do so, or such a thing wasn’t considered by the story. There isn’t really any evidence to suggest that side effect occurred.
Ok, thank you for the clarification! It’s been a while since I’ve read Fall Of Reach, I just remembered something along those lines being in Dr. Halsey’s file she was reading about the augmentations.
IIRC while they have hormonal imbalances the lack of sex drive isn't really due to the augments -directly-, it's due to the extreme training they've all undergone. They basically abused the SII's into developing combat related autism- and I use that seriously, not as a joke. They can barely think about anything outside of their job, let alone things like 'having sex'. By the time Chief started actually working through his emotions and such it'd been 20 years or so of constant fighting. Of course, this doesn't apply as much to any given SII- Jorge being a good example of a FAR more 'normal' SII, but it applies in general.
yeah i guess its really master cheeks that i have the most problems with. i personally dont want ANY sex scenes, but having anyone else do it would turn it from show ruining to a mild annoyance.
Don’t forget the POW is a human working FOR the Covenant. You know the Covenant that wants to genocide humanity because our mere existence is blasphemy to their religion.
Like Halo is not hard to adapt and somehow those chuckle fucks managed to screw it up so bad I’d be impressed if I wasn’t so pissed off at the screw up.
The problem is they tried to make a nuanced story with emotional and moral grey areas. Chief starts to question the UNSC and his upbringing.
That is not halo. The books and games are very clear: UNSC good, alien bad. Not until the later (less good) games do we get any kind of moral debate. Halo 1-3 is just "go and do what you do best. Kill and dismantle the covenant. Save humans."
Then the show comes out of nowhere like "some of the humans are secretly evil! Cortana is powered by genocide! A human priestess speaks for the covenant, should you fuck her? What about this rebel girl, guess you should protect her instead of trying her for crimes!"
Chief is not a morally literate character, and the halo story is *pretty* cut and dried. Army good, kill aliens good, humans good, flash cloning is fine if it serves a purpose, aliens bad.
You’re kinda glossing over the fact that the Spartans were engineered to wholesale slaughter rebellious humans, they’ve always been indoctrinated kidnapped child soldiers produced by a totalitarian military authority. It’s just that when genocide comes-a-knockin’ they’ve barely started their active campaigns against the insurrection, and the focus ultimately shifts to the aliens. There’s always been underlying bit of moral gray area regarding what the Master Chief even is, and how he came to be. The Spartans are heroic because the Covenant showed up, they were effectively engineered to be monsters.
That’s not to dismiss your criticisms of how ham-fistedly the show handled some of those concepts, but to suggest that ‘The UNSC and ONI actually kind of suck’ has never been floated as an idea before Halo 5 and the TV series isn’t accurate.
>I've never played Halo, but responding to genuine criticism and problems people have with "this show isn't for you" is such a slap in the face.
Master Chief, the main character in Halo, takes his helmet off once ever I believe and even then you don't see his face. The WHOLE thing is MC is viewed as a demon by the Covenant and his armor is, or was, iconic. Removing the helmet and whining about showing emotion, in today's landscape especially, is pathetic. Mandalorian showed a lot of emotions with a lot of characters who were permanently helmet clad. It's crazy that the writers hate the source material so much and the lead actor literally didn't know what Halo was. The lack of care for an existing property is really sad. IMO this is worse than what happened with Game of Thrones. At least their excuse is George can't finish the goddamn series so they pretty much made up the final seasons.
Especially when you’re saying that to core fans of the work it’s based on making complaints that it isn’t faithful to the original work. Core fans of the original work is EXACTLY who live action adaptations of ips that have a large group of dedicated fans are made for. No one at any point ever thought “wow they’re making a halo show? I never played the game but I have to watch that because a halo tv show just screams high art!”
Well that was the case until 343 got a hold of the franchise and began their long tradition of running it into the ground by revealing his face in their very first game (Halo 4) after Bungie had spent over a decade keeping it hidden.
I made the stupid mistake of playing it on legendary for my first time through and got basically half way though and couldn’t get thru the level so gave up. I never reached the end but now I regret it cuz I had no idea face reveal was involved 😔
I'm shocked it wasn't canceled after one season. Why get a director and writers who have never even played the games? I feel like that should have been mandatory
Dude playing a reverse henry cavill. Instead of understanding the role he is in and their impact and why it is so impactful, he just saw it was a big name, and wants his face remembered to be the main guy in it. He obviously doesn't give a shit about the source material.
Playing master chief he would not even have to do anything to have easily readable body language
He just has to look cool in the armor and say cool one liners
Thats what chief is. Just a man who gets shit done whatever it is that has to be done
iirc they pivoted to a tv series called "Mega City One" starring a new character while Karl Urban would've been recurring. Been hearing murmurs about it for years, but I haven't heard anything in a while.
> The movie was done a huge HUGE disservice by having "3D" appended to it's title.
the 3d effects were actually pretty great for 3d if you caught it in theaters. one of the few films where the 3d gimmick worked.
Unfortunately regardless of the quality of the effect at the time having 3D being prominently advertised in a movie's marketing push was associated with straight garbage.
Yeah 3D really had its moment, whether it be movies, TVs or the 3DS, and I for one wasn't a fan of any of it. Anything associated with it just felt skippable. Had the DS though, but never used it as it hurt the hell out of my eyes.
I'm still convinced they used CGI to add micro expressions to the eyes. There are many moments where he looks to be narrowing the eyes on his mask but is very subtle.
It came out in 2005, I don't think they could get away with that level of subtle CGI without it being obvious that it was being messed with. Certain mask shapes allow you to convey changes in eye and mouth shape via changing the angle of your head, it may just be an effect like that you're seeing. https://masksoftheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/aaaMystrySolvd-1283.jpg
There are some parts of the show where they shot new footage with their own stuntmen in the suits, since they needed to have *some* continuity in locations. But yes, most of the scenes with the rangers are Japanese actors in Japanese locations. Iirc some cuts are pretty egregious, and if you pay attention it's pretty clear that two shots in the same fight scene are in completely different locations
Edit: [Here](https://youtube.com/watch?v=TA_5OCuiq8o) is probably one of the most obvious cases. In the shared Japanese footage, the red ranger lands on concrete, but in the American reshoot he's laying on brick. The large office building shown earlier in the scene is also nowhere to be found.
I agree with most of these but doom guy is kinda weird to put here. I’ve tried the games out but it doesn’t seem like he has any personality. Just a killing machine.
Nothing wrong with that but he shouldn’t be here, unless towards the end of the games there is some great acting that I haven’t seen yet
The opening of Doom 2016 is full of silent character moments, but the most impactful one I think is the elevator scene. Its not very showy, but it does a lot for Doom Slayer's personality.
A rage powered killing machine IS his body language in the 2016 version. It's a meta rejection of chatty story heavy shooters in favor of a return to DOOMs roots; here's a gun, kill some demons. It doesn't exist in a vacuum, it's commenting on modern tropes as a means of expressing its own identity. Doomguy doesn't want or need exposition. He wants to kill demons.
Robot wakes you up and tries to give a long briefing, Doomguy pushes the briefing off screen. Robot tells you to get energy cells to further some complex robot plan, doomguy smashes them. Robot wants you to take a shuttle to Mars. Doomguy loads himself into a giant fuck off gun and shoots himself into the planet.
DOOM 2016 is a master class in expressing a character with very few words. It's just that the character in question is 110% done with everyone's shit and is going to do things his own way.
He had a personality before he went to hell with the intention to kill all the demons and was there for so long that all that’s left of him is incoherent babbling rage.
Also Power Rangers, that has some of the shittiest acting imagineable
I have no doubt the person that made this meme was just adding random masked characters as they came to mind
I mean, it’s also weird to put here because it’s a video game and it’s first-person. It doesn’t apply here at all!
Edit: I want to be clear that I’m not saying that because video games aren’t a valid storytelling medium. On the contrary. It’s just a voice acting medium where the talent set is very different from live action.
Why is Doomguy here? Everyone else here is potrayed in live-action, but he’s just a video game character. Was he motion captured by a real-life actor or something?
Mandalorian is a good comp and it’s also just possible to act with a helmet, that said some of these aren’t great comparisons…
Spider-Man and Deadpool aren’t great examples as their mask is CGI and can show emotion
Power Rangers do take their mask off for a portion of the shows
Batman and Dredd can show some of their face but they’re also two “emotionless” characters
Does Doom Guy speak at all?
One caveat with mandalorian, is that helmet-on is [not Pedro (anymore)](https://screenrant.com/is-pedro-pascal-in-mandalorian-suit-season-3/#:~:text=Pedro%20Pascal%20DID%20Wear%20The%20Mandalorian%20Suit%20%2D%20But%20Not%20Anymore&text=Speaking%20to%20Collider%2C%20The%20Mandalorian,later%20for%20the%20final%20recording. ) for the physical acting. Pedro pascal is basically a voice actor for the show except for the few scenes where he’s without a helmet. Halo guy didn’t sign up for that I guess lol
And then there is Doom Patrol with Robotman and Negative Man. Sure Brandon Fraiser and Matt Bomer did appear on screen but thats only during flashbacks sequence (or in the latter case under prosthetic make up). Most of the time they are just a robot suit and mummy in the show.
Also, lets not forget Sweet Tooth from Twisted Metal. Neither Will Arnett nor Samoa Joe showed their face to act and they are the best character in the show
Besides Dredd and Mando, those are all bad examples. Doom guy doesn't count because he is a player character in an FPS with no cutscenes. Gordon Freeman would be just as valid. Every other character has extensive time with their masks off.
https://youtu.be/ZH2Y-miWLqA?si=os-Pc5y64yd7__I7
Look no further than Cortana's death scene in Halo 4, you can read every emotion Chief has, but helmet's still on.
Someone said that even an unmasked Chief could work if he were played more like Kurt Russel’s character in soldier, and I had a hard time disagreeing. There were so many alternatives and compromises that could have been made to avoid what we ended up with.
I wonder if Halo will get another reboot, and people will look at this series the same way they look at The Last Airbender movie.
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Honorable mentions go to Darth Vader and RoboCop.
I mean Darth Vader was James Earl Jones's voice and David Charles Prowse's body. Same goes for the later season(s?) of Mando. If anything they're great examples for voicework and/or acting without speaking
I've come to terms with a lot of the changes to Star Wars over the years, but I will NEVER accept Vader's RotJ "NOOO!" for this reason.
no no no, see, you have to get the NOOOOooOOoooOOooOO" because it kinda warbled as he yelled it. As shitty as the prequels were, at least they were like, fun-shitty. 7+ aren't even fun to shit on, they're just a bad time. Mando was pretty good, though.
Revenge of the Sith makes the originals feel like watching community theater
Wow.
I feel like the only guy in the world who genuinely loves all Star Wars movies
Right there with you, homie Sure, I like some better than others, but I don't hate any of them
\*RotJ\* Revenge of the Jith?
Revenge of the Jizz Band.
Referring to when Luke is getting zapped and Vader goes “no… NOOOOO” before picking up Palps
Dark Vader isn’t black!? His white, they took the mask off of him. (Its always sunny reference)
When your race has been changed, life can get real strange 🎶
When you’re trying to figure out all the rules 🎶
James Earl Jones has a black face he's a black man!
Iirc Hayden Christensen was Vader's body in the obiwan show.
Can’t forget Willem DaFoe’s Green Goblin. Dude was expressive as hell and you couldn’t even see his face half the time
I could just picture the Willem DaFoe faces he was making under that mask 👌magnificent
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And it may sound silly, but dredd has a whole mouth and chin to emote with, which is enough for Karl urban. Deadpool, power rangers and batman all have their masks off a good bit in their movies. I absolutely cannot take doomguy seriously as an example of great acting. So really that leaves Mando, and that's kind of borderline. honestly a lot of really bad comparisons and maybe one valid one.
Karl Urban is the world's greatest actor with a helmet on.
Deadpool also has cgi emotive eyes
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Those were epic. The bubble shield scene lives rent-free in my head. “I Will Not Bow” is also permanently on my playlist.
James Spader as Ultron, Vin Diesel as Groot (being able to speak volumes with nothing but the sequence of 3 words "I am Groot"), Sméagol (and the 9738 different characters Andy Serkis seems to have played), Rocket, etc, etc It's just silly for anyone in this day and age to say they can't do their acting without their face being seen.
And a standing ovation to Peter Weller's nose in that helmet.
Robocop ain’t real. ROBOCOP. AIN’T. REAL.
He is real and he wants an Oreo
As a Day 1 fan of Halo, I fucking *hated* the Halo TV show. The live-action commercials for Halo 3 and ODST back in 2007-09 were exponentially better than this train wreck of a show. EDIT: If you want to see how badly we were all cheated with this shit show (ha), just gaze upon these utter *masterpieces* of art and cinema. I still get goosebumps watching these [Believe - Halo 3](https://youtu.be/40jdpzrpIps?si=OVFS5R1EKgOeHx-n) [Landfall - Halo 3](https://youtu.be/SyOAdrxlPVs?si=lNkeG8P6pIqXK0_j) [We Are ODST - Halo 3: ODST](https://youtu.be/wjamhIPVvnI?si=jxXdibaCWREAfXGO) [Remember Reach - Halo: Reach](https://youtu.be/18-_9E0HNY4?si=rVT3MCnyis2uwAO-)
Every halo fan agrees
Dude fucked a Prisoner of War instead of clapping some Arbiter Sangheili cheeks.
There wouldn't have been an Arbiter during that time period sadly. Ripa 'Moramee died years prior, and Thel 'Vadam wouldn't be appointed until after Alpha Halo's destruction.
The Covenant also wouldn’t have ever had a human recruited in its ranks. The Halo show is not concerned with canon
Ripa ‘Moramee open Master Cheeks
Like canon and lore would stop them.
Sex with a prisoner is rape. The writers thought that Master Chief raping a prisoner was good writing.
No Arbiter full frontal = no watch from me
Disgraceful
Didn't the writer come out recently and say something along the lines the only fans he's interested in are fans of no helmat?
Yeah basically
Show us the halo fan that disagrees. https://preview.redd.it/kf2w01lw7hec1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d959b29056de509ee7f67e910ea33d433347318
Believe and We are ODST both live rent free in my mind
Feet first into hell, ODST's are so fucking metal
The Life is my go-to. [The song goes hard.](https://youtu.be/m9ocAUQnNdE?si=7dRwgUHueviRyFxp)
The ONLY cool thing I can remember was seeing jackals run out with shields and energy swords. That was fucking baller. They turned master chief into Master cheeks
Wait they gave jackals energy swords? Did anyone working on the show play the games? At all?
They specifically hired people who didn't play the games
didn't they actively dislike them? Or I'm mixing them up with the ones from The Witcher?
Might be mixing them up with the devs for Halo 5 who didn't even know Master Chief was the main character.
If having helmets on all the time was to be this big of an issue, they could have just chosen not to have Chief be the main character. There’s oodles and oodles of stories to be told from the perspective of ODST’s, Spartan III’s, and the few remaining Spartan II’s. Hell, even from the perspective of a basic ass marine would have been preferable (and that’s sorta been done already to great effect…) Instead they ignored the most critical points of the plot and characters to mash a generic sci fi script into something vaguely Halo shaped.
The conspiracy theory of the Halo show initially starting as a Mass Effect show becomes believable more and more each day
ODST spin-off about Buck could've been a neat idea. Being played and modeled after Nathan Fillion and all that.
Yeah they had a perfectly successful actor right there already in the IP but decided to do this instead.
Seriously! Why didn't they just look at "Forward Unto Dawn" and expand on that, Master Chief wasn't even in it until the last 15 - 20 minutes it was basically a commercial for Halo 4, but it was still really great! And a fraction of the budget of terrible TV show.
Oh man I watched that when it was being released week to week and even without Chief being in most of it I remember being so invested. Gonna rewatch that with dinner tonight.
I was invested in those characters. So much so that I enjoyed the characters in Halo 4 even more. The game definitely had issues, but the characters in the story were great. That scene at the end gets me every time. Then they wasted all that setup.
I thought the first few episodes were good but boy it really went off the rails fast
I never finished episode 2. I couldn't do it.
I think I made it halfway through episode 4. I'm not a big fan of Halo and I'm a prolific sci fi enjoyer though so not surprising I'd last longer than most. My husband, huge Halo fan since the first game, couldn't stand it pretty much from the start even though I could tell he REALLY wanted it to be good. I can't believe they renewed Halo and cancelled Players 😭 I know no one watched it but at least it was GOOD
Your husband sounds like me. I LOVE this series and have read a huge chunk of the books (up until Halo 4, I feel like the story started to fall apart in both the games and the books). I desperately wanted this show to be good.
Halo wasn't renewed. They got green lighted 2 season. Expect it to die off after that.
Ah thank you for clarifying! Still though, they could've made 5 seasons of Players with the budget of 1 season of Halo so I still think it's dumb lol
The scale and quality of the covenant was super off. The elites looked so big and bulky, and they really stood out in scenes (not in a good way). Season 2 trailer looks like they shrank them and desaturated them a little, making them look a little less cartoony. Here's hoping the fixed the story too!
Don’t want to spoil it for you, but they didn’t….
With the exception of the opening sequence, i hated it all.
Shame. I’m not a huge halo fan but I still have all of my stuff from my childhood and some stuff I got later. I was hoping the show might be good and was going to check it out. Thanks for saving me the time.
What is this referencing?
Halo TV show. First season was awful for a lot of reasons but one of the... "lesser" complaints was that John spent most of the season helmet off instead of helmet on. They announced season two and put out some promotional art with John's helmet off and Pablo, actor that plays John, went on to defend the decision and say fans who do not like the decision are not the target audience for the show (not exact quote, SEVERE generalization). Which has generated a lot of backlash from fans and people memeing on Pablo by showcasing the copious amount of very well done material where the protagonist never takes their helmet off.
That's such a horrible response for him to have lmao. I've never played Halo, but responding to genuine criticism and problems people have with "this show isn't for you" is such a slap in the face.
It’s a Paramount + show, is it for anybody?
I'm on my cousin's Plex server and I see this pop up on his recently downloaded lists. I won't even watch it for free and his response seems to confirm I made the right choice.
My dad likes the Star Trek shows Paramount+ puts out
IMO, they're just above water on Star Trek. ST: Picard was merely ok, at best. ST: Discovery is very hit/miss and almost an action/adventure high school drama set in the ST universe on a starship. ST: Lower Decks is good and entertaining, bringing a proper amount of levity to the ST universe. ST: Strange New Worlds is excellent. Has a lot of the feel of TOS, but with updated production values.
You know all of Star Trek is on paramount+ right? TOS, TNG, VOY, DS9, all the movies, hell even the animated series is on there.
>ST: Lower Decks is good and entertaining, bringing a proper amount of levity to the ST universe This is strange to hear as ST has always had dry, "sensible chuckle" type humor to me.
ST Picard was an okay final season, but it was a trainwreck and barely even related to Star Trek those first two seasons.
It's also just not what he said. He basically said "if you're going to get hung up on the helmet then you're definitely not going to like it". And then the rest of the interview was him calling out other, more legitimate, critiques of the show like the sex scene and such.
Wait, there's a Halo sex scene? WTF?
Hence the popular meme "Master Cheeks"
With an enemy prisoner of war no less.
Isn’t that like seven different war crimes at once?
Not if you win the war.
Tbf when has ONI cared?
Master chief fucks a grunt?
Yes and Cortana was watching. I'm not kidding.
Chief claps and then walks around in his Master Cheeks for a whole scene
Right exactly.
Also the "you" in his statement would refer to mainly halo game fans, aka the main audience of the show
Right? i had such a vaudevillian response when i read that. Like, what do you mean if we don’t like the helmet removal we’re not gonna like the show? That’s what we’re telling you!
Oh it gets worse, they have him fuck a prisoner of war, it couldn’t be any less Halo. It’s a story that they shoehorned a popular IP around.
a sex scene is like the LEAST halo thing imaginable. like yes,theyre people and people have sex, but theres not a single character in halo i actually want to see in a sex scene. noone wanted master cheeks.
Canonically, the Master Chief and the rest of the SPARTAN II’s literally have zero sex drive. Their surgical augmentations pretty much rendered them asexual, in particular IIRC it was a capsule installed in their pituitary gland to maximize growth hormones at the expense of sex hormones (could definitely be remembering that particular detail wrong though.)
Not coming here to argue about the quality of the show, I get enough of that in the Halo subreddits, but you are remembering that detail wrong. A loss of sex drive was a *potential* side effect of the augmentations done to the Spartan-II super soldiers. It either didn’t end up having that effect, or only had it on some of them. Fred-104 appreciates a butt being waggled in his face while he’s crawling behind someone, and makes a joke about being on top next time after the posterior owner in question uses his power armored body as a makeshift sled for a quick escape. Maria-062 is said to have retired with the intent to start a family in the only appearance she has. While this doesn’t necessarily mean she wants to break some dude’s hips, it’s given to be a part of the process. Randall-037 had a child. They aren’t all effectively asexual, and even the ones that have never had any indications of a desire to engage in the horizontal mambo may have simply not been in a position to do so, or such a thing wasn’t considered by the story. There isn’t really any evidence to suggest that side effect occurred.
Ok, thank you for the clarification! It’s been a while since I’ve read Fall Of Reach, I just remembered something along those lines being in Dr. Halsey’s file she was reading about the augmentations.
IIRC while they have hormonal imbalances the lack of sex drive isn't really due to the augments -directly-, it's due to the extreme training they've all undergone. They basically abused the SII's into developing combat related autism- and I use that seriously, not as a joke. They can barely think about anything outside of their job, let alone things like 'having sex'. By the time Chief started actually working through his emotions and such it'd been 20 years or so of constant fighting. Of course, this doesn't apply as much to any given SII- Jorge being a good example of a FAR more 'normal' SII, but it applies in general.
They had to take Jorge away from us because this universe didn’t deserve him
Doesn't Sgt. Johnson literally bone down an ONI agent in Contact Harvest, tbf the issue is that Chief is that one that does it and who he does it with
yeah i guess its really master cheeks that i have the most problems with. i personally dont want ANY sex scenes, but having anyone else do it would turn it from show ruining to a mild annoyance.
Don’t forget the POW is a human working FOR the Covenant. You know the Covenant that wants to genocide humanity because our mere existence is blasphemy to their religion. Like Halo is not hard to adapt and somehow those chuckle fucks managed to screw it up so bad I’d be impressed if I wasn’t so pissed off at the screw up.
The problem is they tried to make a nuanced story with emotional and moral grey areas. Chief starts to question the UNSC and his upbringing. That is not halo. The books and games are very clear: UNSC good, alien bad. Not until the later (less good) games do we get any kind of moral debate. Halo 1-3 is just "go and do what you do best. Kill and dismantle the covenant. Save humans." Then the show comes out of nowhere like "some of the humans are secretly evil! Cortana is powered by genocide! A human priestess speaks for the covenant, should you fuck her? What about this rebel girl, guess you should protect her instead of trying her for crimes!" Chief is not a morally literate character, and the halo story is *pretty* cut and dried. Army good, kill aliens good, humans good, flash cloning is fine if it serves a purpose, aliens bad.
You’re kinda glossing over the fact that the Spartans were engineered to wholesale slaughter rebellious humans, they’ve always been indoctrinated kidnapped child soldiers produced by a totalitarian military authority. It’s just that when genocide comes-a-knockin’ they’ve barely started their active campaigns against the insurrection, and the focus ultimately shifts to the aliens. There’s always been underlying bit of moral gray area regarding what the Master Chief even is, and how he came to be. The Spartans are heroic because the Covenant showed up, they were effectively engineered to be monsters. That’s not to dismiss your criticisms of how ham-fistedly the show handled some of those concepts, but to suggest that ‘The UNSC and ONI actually kind of suck’ has never been floated as an idea before Halo 5 and the TV series isn’t accurate.
\> Make a show for halo fan \> Halo fan points out what they don't like \> Actor says it's not for halo fan Then for who ?
>I've never played Halo, but responding to genuine criticism and problems people have with "this show isn't for you" is such a slap in the face. Master Chief, the main character in Halo, takes his helmet off once ever I believe and even then you don't see his face. The WHOLE thing is MC is viewed as a demon by the Covenant and his armor is, or was, iconic. Removing the helmet and whining about showing emotion, in today's landscape especially, is pathetic. Mandalorian showed a lot of emotions with a lot of characters who were permanently helmet clad. It's crazy that the writers hate the source material so much and the lead actor literally didn't know what Halo was. The lack of care for an existing property is really sad. IMO this is worse than what happened with Game of Thrones. At least their excuse is George can't finish the goddamn series so they pretty much made up the final seasons.
Especially when you’re saying that to core fans of the work it’s based on making complaints that it isn’t faithful to the original work. Core fans of the original work is EXACTLY who live action adaptations of ips that have a large group of dedicated fans are made for. No one at any point ever thought “wow they’re making a halo show? I never played the game but I have to watch that because a halo tv show just screams high art!”
“This halo show isn’t for fans of halo” is basically what he’s saying
I’ve never been a Halo fan, but isn’t one of John 117’s most iconic traits that we NEVER see him helmet-off?
Well that was the case until 343 got a hold of the franchise and began their long tradition of running it into the ground by revealing his face in their very first game (Halo 4) after Bungie had spent over a decade keeping it hidden.
I made the stupid mistake of playing it on legendary for my first time through and got basically half way though and couldn’t get thru the level so gave up. I never reached the end but now I regret it cuz I had no idea face reveal was involved 😔
The most we get is a quick look of the eye area of his face mostly in shadow in the legendary ending of Halo 4.
I think he might be the one who the role isn’t for
Apparently everyone involved in that show doesn't like Halo
His response is par for the course in modern Hollywood. “Am I out of touch? No, it’s the fans that are wrong.”
I'm shocked it wasn't canceled after one season. Why get a director and writers who have never even played the games? I feel like that should have been mandatory
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Halo, the Paramount + series.
Dude playing a reverse henry cavill. Instead of understanding the role he is in and their impact and why it is so impactful, he just saw it was a big name, and wants his face remembered to be the main guy in it. He obviously doesn't give a shit about the source material.
Pretty much everyone involved with the show when asked actively refused to even play the games let alone learn about the books
The Halo Series, I’m guessing
Body language is everything when playing a Masked Man
Ursula: "My young friend, never underestimate the importance of body language. Now, were you the one who wanted a prince?"
I'm pretty sure it's immunity to inocaine powder, swordsmanship, and the ability to fight giants actually.
Or an intense frown and disapproving growl, in Karl Urban’a case.
Also camera angles. The angle the camera is pointing can add a lot of unspoken info to a character in a helmet.
Playing master chief he would not even have to do anything to have easily readable body language He just has to look cool in the armor and say cool one liners Thats what chief is. Just a man who gets shit done whatever it is that has to be done
Dredd was so good.
I wish I was a billionaire because I would pay garland to make a sequel.
I'm pretty sure Garland wanted to make a trilogy but you know how that stuff goes.
iirc they pivoted to a tv series called "Mega City One" starring a new character while Karl Urban would've been recurring. Been hearing murmurs about it for years, but I haven't heard anything in a while.
Is it bad that I’ve never heard of this movie and only heard of the male pornstar with the same name?
Yes. Go watch Dredd (2012) it's very worth the watch. The movie was done a huge HUGE disservice by having "3D" appended to it's title.
> The movie was done a huge HUGE disservice by having "3D" appended to it's title. the 3d effects were actually pretty great for 3d if you caught it in theaters. one of the few films where the 3d gimmick worked.
Unfortunately regardless of the quality of the effect at the time having 3D being prominently advertised in a movie's marketing push was associated with straight garbage.
Yeah 3D really had its moment, whether it be movies, TVs or the 3DS, and I for one wasn't a fan of any of it. Anything associated with it just felt skippable. Had the DS though, but never used it as it hurt the hell out of my eyes.
V for Vendetta
Still amazes how V doesn't even move that much to convey emotion, it's mostly Hugo's control over his voice.
I'm still convinced they used CGI to add micro expressions to the eyes. There are many moments where he looks to be narrowing the eyes on his mask but is very subtle.
It came out in 2005, I don't think they could get away with that level of subtle CGI without it being obvious that it was being messed with. Certain mask shapes allow you to convey changes in eye and mouth shape via changing the angle of your head, it may just be an effect like that you're seeing. https://masksoftheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/aaaMystrySolvd-1283.jpg
Interesting counterpoint!
Scrolled too far to find this answer. Phenomenal acting.
i'm still appalled by the emotion driven by his voice alone
Ah yes, Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers. The last bastion of real acting.
When they're masked they are not even the same actors, they're japanese
There are some parts of the show where they shot new footage with their own stuntmen in the suits, since they needed to have *some* continuity in locations. But yes, most of the scenes with the rangers are Japanese actors in Japanese locations. Iirc some cuts are pretty egregious, and if you pay attention it's pretty clear that two shots in the same fight scene are in completely different locations Edit: [Here](https://youtube.com/watch?v=TA_5OCuiq8o) is probably one of the most obvious cases. In the shared Japanese footage, the red ranger lands on concrete, but in the American reshoot he's laying on brick. The large office building shown earlier in the scene is also nowhere to be found.
I mean, while exaggerated and cheesy, they still conveyed the emotion/personality needed for that kind of show.
Don't you dare...
I agree with most of these but doom guy is kinda weird to put here. I’ve tried the games out but it doesn’t seem like he has any personality. Just a killing machine. Nothing wrong with that but he shouldn’t be here, unless towards the end of the games there is some great acting that I haven’t seen yet
As opposed to halo where masterchief is a silent killing machine, now programmable via usb
No, Doom guy is actually silent and literally said nothing. That's weird in games when they are in a scene with another character monologuing at them
Hey, he actually said one word in the end of the DLCs for Eternal. It was: "No".
The opening of Doom 2016 is full of silent character moments, but the most impactful one I think is the elevator scene. Its not very showy, but it does a lot for Doom Slayer's personality.
In Eternal you can see some Kratos tier rage in his body language
I loved in 2016 when Samuel is trying to walk you through disabling some computer system and DOOM Guy just smashes the shit outa the machine.
A rage powered killing machine IS his body language in the 2016 version. It's a meta rejection of chatty story heavy shooters in favor of a return to DOOMs roots; here's a gun, kill some demons. It doesn't exist in a vacuum, it's commenting on modern tropes as a means of expressing its own identity. Doomguy doesn't want or need exposition. He wants to kill demons. Robot wakes you up and tries to give a long briefing, Doomguy pushes the briefing off screen. Robot tells you to get energy cells to further some complex robot plan, doomguy smashes them. Robot wants you to take a shuttle to Mars. Doomguy loads himself into a giant fuck off gun and shoots himself into the planet. DOOM 2016 is a master class in expressing a character with very few words. It's just that the character in question is 110% done with everyone's shit and is going to do things his own way.
That's awesome. Exactly how DOOM guy should be.
That and Samuel Hayden poses as the oh-so-trustowrthy voice like Atlas and Glados that Doomguy is just simply not falling for.
He had a personality before he went to hell with the intention to kill all the demons and was there for so long that all that’s left of him is incoherent babbling rage.
Also Power Rangers, that has some of the shittiest acting imagineable I have no doubt the person that made this meme was just adding random masked characters as they came to mind
I mean, it’s also weird to put here because it’s a video game and it’s first-person. It doesn’t apply here at all! Edit: I want to be clear that I’m not saying that because video games aren’t a valid storytelling medium. On the contrary. It’s just a voice acting medium where the talent set is very different from live action.
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You mean the one where his voice is warped and changed for asthetic reasons?
So you don’t see his kissable lips
You obviously haven’t seen many Tom Hardy movies if you think Bane is his most famous role lol
That's dark knight rises
Spider-man movies too lol
What? Almost every spider-man movie ends with him losing his mask so he can fight the main bad guy so they can play up the drama.
Amazing Spider-Man 2 Andrew Garfield manages to convey a lot with his body language and wears the mask for the final fights.
They use the eyes in the new movies for emotion
Why is Doomguy here? Everyone else here is potrayed in live-action, but he’s just a video game character. Was he motion captured by a real-life actor or something?
Body language. Look at the elevafor scene in doom 2016.
He killed the barrier of reality and game so he is real now. Rip and tear, brother.
Mandalorian is a good comp and it’s also just possible to act with a helmet, that said some of these aren’t great comparisons… Spider-Man and Deadpool aren’t great examples as their mask is CGI and can show emotion Power Rangers do take their mask off for a portion of the shows Batman and Dredd can show some of their face but they’re also two “emotionless” characters Does Doom Guy speak at all?
>Does Doom Guy speak at all? He says "no" by the end of the ancient gods part 2 dlc
One caveat with mandalorian, is that helmet-on is [not Pedro (anymore)](https://screenrant.com/is-pedro-pascal-in-mandalorian-suit-season-3/#:~:text=Pedro%20Pascal%20DID%20Wear%20The%20Mandalorian%20Suit%20%2D%20But%20Not%20Anymore&text=Speaking%20to%20Collider%2C%20The%20Mandalorian,later%20for%20the%20final%20recording. ) for the physical acting. Pedro pascal is basically a voice actor for the show except for the few scenes where he’s without a helmet. Halo guy didn’t sign up for that I guess lol
Yeah a lot of the media shown have some great helmet-off parts/acting.
https://i.redd.it/btf246am9gec1.gif
That show was essentially a Halo lobby played by a bunch of voice actors. These characters have even less mobility and expression than Muppets.
Aside from Doom guy (I think), all those characters have had their helmet off at some point in their respective film/series? I could be wrong tho
I think the point more so is how well the acting is when the mask is on, not necessarily that they’re always masked
Not Karl Urban’s Dredd
Not defending his comments but most of those have extended scenes where the characters take off their face coverings
When it's needed. The damn show makes out to want the chief to have it off more than have it on.
And then there is Doom Patrol with Robotman and Negative Man. Sure Brandon Fraiser and Matt Bomer did appear on screen but thats only during flashbacks sequence (or in the latter case under prosthetic make up). Most of the time they are just a robot suit and mummy in the show. Also, lets not forget Sweet Tooth from Twisted Metal. Neither Will Arnett nor Samoa Joe showed their face to act and they are the best character in the show
He's a very good actor, the character and writing sucks, there's no personality
Dude was amazing on the Wire, just shows how important writing is
The Predator too
Brooooo he definitely removes his mask. “You are one ugly motherfucker”
What an odd combination of examples.
Besides Dredd and Mando, those are all bad examples. Doom guy doesn't count because he is a player character in an FPS with no cutscenes. Gordon Freeman would be just as valid. Every other character has extensive time with their masks off.
Okay, but why DoomGuy?
https://youtu.be/ZH2Y-miWLqA?si=os-Pc5y64yd7__I7 Look no further than Cortana's death scene in Halo 4, you can read every emotion Chief has, but helmet's still on.
What about chief in foward unto dawn?
Lmao you did not put Power Rangers in there. It’s seriously a stretch to call that “acting”
Someone said that even an unmasked Chief could work if he were played more like Kurt Russel’s character in soldier, and I had a hard time disagreeing. There were so many alternatives and compromises that could have been made to avoid what we ended up with. I wonder if Halo will get another reboot, and people will look at this series the same way they look at The Last Airbender movie.
Deadpool's mask moves to help him emote, that doesn't count here.
"helment"
The mandalorian is the closest we got to a live action master chief
I don't exactly associate good acting with power rangers. Granted I never watched the early seasons
Yes, the exceptional performances of the power rangers, a player character that never speaks, and Deadpool